Toni
nervous spice
Toni
> How about the picnic table in the backyard - no benches AND it was
> child-sized....
I also noticed this, but looked at the episode before and also saw that
weird mini-table...
Spidra Webster
http://www.bayscenes.com/ind/spidra
I saw the child sized picnic table and deliberately looked for it in the
previous episode...didn't see it
Toni
Toni
bbq spice
Oy spice!
Gatica3 <gat...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990424100116...@ng-fe1.aol.com...
> (And the basilica everyone is calling (St. Basil's) is actually St. Peter's
> Basilica in Red Square)
My first inclination was to call it St. Peter's (probably because of St.
Petersburg). After someone called it St. Basil's, I looked it up on the
net. I got many hits under St. Basil's that had pictures of that famous
cathedral.
Spidra Webster
http://www.bayscenes.com/ind/spidra
The cathedral in moscow that everyone is referring to *IS* commonly
referred to as St. Basil's cathedral -- so it probably will be counted as a
good answer, if that is your concern. The actual title of the cathedral is
"Cathedral of the Protecting Veil of the Mother of God-on-the-Moat" (Sobor
Pokrova Presvyatoi Bogoroditsij na Rvy) -- it was built by command of Ivan
the Terrible to commemorate the seizure of Kazan.
The church in St. Petersburg, that is often compared to St. Basil's because
of its "onion domes" was recently reconstructed (or I should say completed
-- reconstruction took nearly 20 years), and it is commonly called "The
Church of the Resurrection of Christ" -- however its proper translation
from (Xram Spasa na Krovi) is Saviour on the Blood, because it is where
Czar Nicholas II was assasinated after freeing the serfs in 1881. (By the
way, this church, in my opinion, was far more beautiful than St. Basil's).
Well, I hope this has been helpful to you all, and if you are interested in
seeing some of my pictures from when I was in Russia for the US
International Debate Team tour, go to my webpage:
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/6275/USIDT.html
tanyusha
your Russian tour guide Spice
Toni
awed spice
Wow, Tanyusha! *This* history teacher is most impressed! However, I must
correct one minor error: It was Tsar Alexander II, not Nicholas II, who was
assassinated in St. Petersburg in 1881. Nicholas II was, of course,
murdered by the Bolsheviks in 1918. I watched the coverage of the funeral
(80 years later) of Nicholas and his family...makes me wonder if they'll
ever try the constitutional monarchy idea in Russia that the current head of
the Romanov family favors...
Jack
1/4 Russian Spice
Spidra Webster wrote:
> In article <01be8ea2$b8c02980$588edccf@#ricochey>, "tanyusha"
> <rico...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> > Czar Nicholas II was assasinated after freeing the serfs in 1881.
>
> Nicholas II was assassinated in 1918 by the Bolsheviks. You are thinking
> of Alexander II.
>
> Thanks for an enlightening post, though. I've never been to Russia and
> don't know that I would nowadays with the social upheaval going on there.
>
> Spidra Webster
> http://www.bayscenes.com/ind/spidra
Toni
student spice
Actually, there is an anecdote/folk tale about St. Basil's and Tsar Ivan
(the Terrible) for those of you more interested in Russia/n culture: The
story goes that Ivan the Terrible called over the architect of St. Basil's
to view his nearly completed work with the frightful Tsar -- Ivan the
Terrible praised the architect for his genius, creativity, and absolute
brilliance in the field of architecture and asked the architect if he
thought that he would ever see such another beautiful piece of work. The
architect thought for a moment about potential new things to build for the
Tsar and all the business it would bring in and replied, "Why yes, I do
think that I could see many more beautiful things to be built for you, Tsar
Ivan." In a rage at his bravado, Ivan the Terrible promptly ordered the
architect's eyes put out so that he would be sure to be left with the image
of the *most* beautiful cathedral, St. Basil's. (or whatever you want to
call it ;)
Actually the title of "the Terrible" for Tsar Ivan is of much contention
with Russian Area Studies experts, because there are many comparable
"terrible" moments in all of the Tsars lives (including Peter "the Great")
-- so don't get me wrong -- it just works well for the old fable :)
tanyusha
na zdorove Spice
> how come i can't view anything tanyusha writes? it comes up error and some
> gibberish no matter what i click on of his or hers! everyone else's messages
> come right through! anyway, get this! i was rewatching the funeral to look
> for some things others mentioned and i saw speedy's pup and bambi! the puppy
> face was between kate and lewis just below kate's shoulder area when she says
> "look who's going out with me now." and when lewis gives out the placebo,
> bambi is next to his right ear--on our left. i swear it's true!
> there must be a thousand errors in there spice
What do they put in the water where you live? ;-)
Spidra Webster
http://www.bayscenes.com/ind/spidra
>Actually, there is an anecdote/folk tale about St. Basil's and Tsar Ivan
>(the Terrible) for those of you more interested in Russia/n culture: The
>story goes that Ivan the Terrible called over the architect of St. Basil's
>to view his nearly completed work with the frightful Tsar -- Ivan the
>Terrible praised the architect for his genius, creativity, and absolute
>brilliance in the field of architecture and asked the architect if he
>thought that he would ever see such another beautiful piece of work. The
>architect thought for a moment about potential new things to build for the
>Tsar and all the business it would bring in and replied, "Why yes, I do
>think that I could see many more beautiful things to be built for you, Tsar
>Ivan." In a rage at his bravado, Ivan the Terrible promptly ordered the
>architect's eyes put out so that he would be sure to be left with the image
>of the *most* beautiful cathedral, St. Basil's. (or whatever you want to
>call it ;)
>
I'd heard that about Ivan myself...and passed it along to my students when
we studied Russian history. They added that tidbit to the story about
Ivan's killing the Tsarevitch in a rage -- then when realizing what he'd
done weeping like a baby -- and a couple of other sundry tales of Ivan, and
my students agreed that of all the Russian rulers we looked at, Ivan truly
rated as "the Terrible." Though, in a seventh-grade survey course, we
didn't look at all the rulers, just the "big" names like Ivan, Peter,
Catherine, and the last two or three Romanovs.
>Actually the title of "the Terrible" for Tsar Ivan is of much contention
>with Russian Area Studies experts, because there are many comparable
>"terrible" moments in all of the Tsars lives (including Peter "the Great")
>-- so don't get me wrong -- it just works well for the old fable :)
>
Agreed, even Peter -- accorded the title "the Great" while still alive,
something rare in history -- had his bad moments. Especially his ordering
the torture and murder of his own son. But you must admit that they were
more than compensated by the tremendous good he did for Russia, like
bringing Western dress to his country and constructing a warm-water port on
the Baltic and that great journey through Europe and even saving those folks
when his yacht was swamped in a storm and he caught pneumonia and died from
it.
I've also heard that Ivan IV's title of "the Terrible" has another meaning
in Russian. To the peasants, he was Ivan the Severe; to the boyars, he was
Ivan the Terrible. Have you heard this?
Jack
The Terrible Spice
> I've also heard that Ivan IV's title of "the Terrible" has another meaning
> in Russian. To the peasants, he was Ivan the Severe; to the boyars, he was
> Ivan the Terrible. Have you heard this?
Actually, it's even more ambiguous than that: 'grozny' (he's 'Ivan
Grozny') can mean terrible, but also awe-inspiring. It's got, if not
quite a positive connotation, at least the whiff of 'deserving of respect'
to it.
bill walsh
beeg russian history spice
> how come i can't view anything tanyusha writes? it comes up error and some
> gibberish no matter what i click on of his or hers! everyone else's messages
> come right through!
Just to let you know, so you don't go insane, I also can't access any of
tanyusha's posts. I get an error message each time and it says, "Article has
expired," which obviously it has not since they're new. I don't know what it is,
but the only time I can see what tanyusha writes is when someone quotes.
Everyone else's posts come up just fine.
Carolyn
Perplexed Spice
Kurt
Not much help Spice