Crossovers?
Michael Davis
You guys (and gals?) have been kicking around who would beat whom, here's my
two cents worth:
Goku vs Supes (original type) = no contest Supes would win because he's
invulnerable. Goku isn't.
Gohan V Supes = toss up, Gohan's strength is way up there, on the order of
Doomsday.
Goku / Gohan would whup up on just about anybody Marvel has to offer
excluding the BIG guys (Galactus, Celestials, Eternity, etc...) but what a
fight it would be against Gladiator. Remember his powers are psionic based
like the Siyans.
Would love to see a Marvel character show up with Goku's abilities! Minus
the Dragonballs of course.
Later,
Mike
Michael Davis
Michael Davis
Rishard Chapoteau
>Goku vs Supes (original type) = no contest Supes would win because he's
>invulnerable. Goku isn't.
>Gohan V Supes = toss up, Gohan's strength is way up there, on the order of
>Doomsday.
How is it that you think Gohan could beat superman if Goku couldn't?
Considering the fact that they were afraid of Goku being able to destroy the
planet when he was at SSJ, I couldn't imagine what he was capable of doing
at SSJ4. I would imagine. Super-man was beatable just like Goku was. Its
just that on earth no one is strong enough to beat him which is why a lot of
his enenmies that beat him are alien like Goku is. Goku is also MUCH faster
then he is. Superman is faster then a speeding bullet, while Goku can move
faster then the speed of light. I think its wouldn't be a real contest
between the 2.
General Secretary Mok
Rishard Chapoteau wrote:
I have to get a little scientific here: speed of a bullet approx. 160
MPH - 500 MPH (depending on what the hell you use). speed of light
appox. 2.9979 X 10 to the 8 power meters per second, or 186,282 miles
per SECOND. I think there is much difference. But then again, if I get
scientific, Goku technically can not go faster than the speed of light.
If he reach the speed of light, time would come to a stop for him and he
would be reduced to size 0. Theoretically, if he goes past the speed of
light, he would travel back in time and he would have a negative size. I
say, that he is just so fast you can't see him. Because our eyes can
only see so much in so little time. Besides, they say Superman is faster
than a speeding bullet, doesn't mean that he isn't also faster the
light. (Goku is also faster than a speeding bullet.)
KM. UNGDI.
JMCruz
all gokou needs is to pocket some kryptonite! besides, gokou can
teleport, so who cares about all the speed of light crap. while supes is
still trying to catch gokou, gokou could already be right behind him
then comes the big genki dama! even though superman is invincible, he
can still be knocked unconsious. and gokoulv4 far exceeds his power who
needs x-ray vision, when you can do an autopsy later?.
Anata no gumai baka...SHIDE!!!
ssj goku
General Secretary Mok wrote:
> I have to get a little scientific here: speed of a bullet approx. 160
> MPH - 500 MPH (depending on what the hell you use). speed of light
> appox. 2.9979 X 10 to the 8 power meters per second, or 186,282 miles
> per SECOND. I think there is much difference. But then again, if I get
> scientific, Goku technically can not go faster than the speed of light.
> If he reach the speed of light, time would come to a stop for him and he
> would be reduced to size 0. Theoretically, if he goes past the speed of
> light, he would travel back in time and he would have a negative size. I
> say, that he is just so fast you can't see him. Because our eyes can
> only see so much in so little time. Besides, they say Superman is faster
> than a speeding bullet, doesn't mean that he isn't also faster the
> light. (Goku is also faster than a speeding bullet.)
>
> KM. UNGDI.
Science has no place in Dragon Ball. Chi doesn't exactly fit into any of
the four fundamental forces, you know. And let's not even get started on
the issue of the golden monkey at the full moon.
-ssj goku
--
"Being mortal is what makes the impossible possible." --Goku
http://members.xoom.com/ssj_goku/
Drunken1
It depends on if your're talking Pre Crisis Supes or Post Crisis. Pre
Crisis Supes would have been a good fight, we're talking he used to
shove planets out of orbit. But also take in to account that Goku is
Highly trained in the martial arts, which could balance an overage in
strength. And seeing DBZ's basis in the Monkey King Legend, and The
Monkey king was definitely a Mystical being, Supes is highly susceptible
to Magic, not to mention that Chi can be thought of as a sort of magic,
as when you get down to it, Life is Magical Chi=Air=Life. Goku would
probably win in any case, over Pre crisis Supes by a small margin, over
the current powered down version, still a good fight but not nearly as
difficult for a saiyan. Remember, Goku is a SUPER POWERED MARTIAL ARTS
MASTER, and not just Super Powered. If Batman was as Strong as Superman
or Supes was a normal human, Batman would wipe the floor with him in
either case, because of the training. Now to see some of the upper
echelon of comicdom fight some of DBZ'z villans, that would be a
contest!!! We're talking major team ups of villans and heroes, just to
fight a cell or a Freeza!!!!
ssj goku
Forget the kryptonite. Genki dama takes too long to gather energy. Just
teleport directly behind him and simultaneously whip out a destructo
disk (shudder) (could someone please remind me of the correct Japanese
name for this so I don't have to make a fool of myself every time I
mention it?) like he did against Buu. Remember, the disk is the great
leveler: it allowed Krillin to actually damage Freeza (cut off part of
his tail) in his /final/ stage and Nappa (nearly beheaded him) even
though both of them were MUCH stronger than Krillin.
JMCruz
that martial arts thing you're atlking about is just like what happened
to Broli. lots of power, no training brians nor combat strategy.
Anata no gumai baka...SHIDE!!!
Chris
> Forget the kryptonite. Genki dama takes too long to gather energy. Just
> teleport directly behind him and simultaneously whip out a destructo
> disk (shudder) (could someone please remind me of the correct Japanese
> name for this so I don't have to make a fool of myself every time I
> mention it?)
Kienzan - "energy disc of beheading"
- Chris
Son11 Goku
Gokou would definatly beat up Super man, but I am not too sure about Gohan. In
DBGT, Gohan laxed on his training, and probably got weaker than he originally
was. Gokou, on the other hand, is the Legendary Saiya-jin, and is very good at
fighting and has lots of strength, while Superman just has strength and the
knowledge on how to throw a punch or kick. Also, Superman would not be able to
touch Gokou, since Gokou could just teleport away every time, and blast
Superman with ki blasts, and finally knock out Superman. Superman can not do
much except for x-ray vision and stuff, and that is not much use.
ssj goku
Son11 Goku wrote:
>
> Gokou would definatly beat up Super man, but I am not too sure about Gohan. In
> DBGT, Gohan laxed on his training, and probably got weaker than he originally
> was.
Mystic Gohan is stronger than SSJ3 Goku, so unless you are including
DBGT, Gohan is the strongest character.
> Gokou, on the other hand, is the Legendary Saiya-jin, and is very good at
> fighting and has lots of strength, while Superman just has strength and the
> knowledge on how to throw a punch or kick. Also, Superman would not be able to
> touch Gokou, since Gokou could just teleport away every time, and blast
> Superman with ki blasts, and finally knock out Superman. Superman can not do
> much except for x-ray vision and stuff, and that is not much use.
I think that actually most of the Z fighters could beat Superman. After
all, we can assume that most of them are faster than light and most of
them have specials that would at least knock out, if not cut thru,
Superman in one shot.
Tristram
I'm probly gonna get flamed for this but I think Marvel's Iceman might be
able to beat
them.
Tristram
"Boy, Hollywood people are weird."
Mr. Garrison
ssj goku
Tristram wrote:
>
> I'm probly gonna get flamed for this but I think Marvel's Iceman might be
> able to beat
> them.
Even without using Genki dama, Goku can /easily/ destroy Earth, and
while he could then teleport to a planet with an atmosphere, Iceman
(assuming he survives the destruction of Earth, which he wouldn't) would
be left stranded in space. How would he hurt Goku anyway? The energy
surrounding a SSJ, let alone SSJ3, would vaporize (not just melt) any
part of Iceman that he tried to use to attack.
At any rate, it's not like Goku's never fought an opponent who can mold
his body into any shape. Ex: Buu, Piccolo (to some extent)
As much as I like Marvel Comics, (though not as much as DB) none of
their characters that I know of can move faster than light like the Z
fighters can, and few of them can destroy entire planets.
Michael Goodwin
Tristram wrote:
> I'm probly gonna get flamed for this but I think Marvel's Iceman might be
> able to beat
> them.
>
> Tristram
>
> "Boy, Hollywood people are weird."
> Mr. Garrison
Not to start a flame or anything... but what in God's name made you think
of Iceman? He's not even the strongest member of the team. He can freeze
them, but then what? An infant Trunks could break that ice...
Elendil305
Well Thanos could likely destroy them, he has the Infinity Gauntlet, which as I
recall gives you ultimate power over time and space, so he could just zap em
all off this physical plane, as the US version of DB would say <grin>.
Rishard Chapoteau
U know this guy might be on to something. I think it was movie one that
goku had to go through the freezing cold, and when he did he lost his
powers. IF, (and that is a very big if) Iceman can freeze then, then he can
win! Thats a huge if though. Probably not likely.
J Smith
Tristram <de...@hell.is.hot> wrote:
: I'm probly gonna get flamed for this but I think Marvel's Iceman might be
: able to beat
: them.
: Tristram
: "Boy, Hollywood people are weird."
: Mr. Garrison
With politeness, Super Saiyajin can destroy entire planets.
For Kami-sama's sake, Piccolo blew up the moon with ease long before Gokuu
and company started becoming SSJ.
Iceman would last about 1/2 a second against Yamucha, and he's the
weakest.
ssj goku
J Smith wrote:
>
> Tristram <de...@hell.is.hot> wrote:
> : I'm probly gonna get flamed for this but I think Marvel's Iceman might be
> : able to beat
> : them.
>
> : Tristram
>
> For Kami-sama's sake, Piccolo blew up the moon with ease long before Gokuu
> and company started becoming SSJ.
And long, long before that, Kamesennin (in disguise) blew up the moon
with one Kamehameha when Goku transformed during the final round of his
first Tenkaichi Bodukai.
> Iceman would last about 1/2 a second against Yamucha, and he's the
> weakest.
Actually, I think Yajirobe is weaker, but he hasn't done any fighting
since he hacked off Vegeta's tail with his katana. (Must be a magic
katana since Vegeta's tail never grew back)
Michael Goodwin
ssj goku wrote:
> Actually, I think Yajirobe is weaker, but he hasn't done any fighting
> since he hacked off Vegeta's tail with his katana. (Must be a magic
> katana since Vegeta's tail never grew back)
> -ssj goku
> --
> "Being mortal is what makes the impossible possible." --Goku
> http://members.xoom.com/ssj_goku/
Adult Saiyajin never regain their tails once removed. Gohan lost his twice as
a child, if not more times, (not counting the movies, btw) but afterwards
remained without one. He was too old at that point. and Vejiita-oji is older
than Gohan's father:)
General Secretary Mok
Michael Goodwin wrote:
But did they actually state that in the any of the series? Or is that
just by observation? Or did Toriyama actually state that rule?
KM. UNGDI.
Michael Goodwin
General Secretary Mok wrote:
> But did they actually state that in the any of the series? Or is that
> just by observation? Or did Toriyama actually state that rule?
>
> KM. UNGDI.
I'm almost certain that Vejiita once said this, in the regular manga, but
I could be wrong.
- Mike
Tazer
Hoy!
Excuse me for just waking up, but on 05 May 1998 19:18:12 EDT, I saw
that Drunken1 <Drun...@concentric.net> wrote:
>It depends on if your're talking Pre Crisis Supes or Post Crisis. Pre
>Crisis Supes would have been a good fight, we're talking he used to
>shove planets out of orbit. But also take in to account that Goku is
>Highly trained in the martial arts, which could balance an overage in
>strength.
ok, and to play Devil's Advocate (lookout Al Pacino!!) I'll say that
pre- and I think post-Crisis Supes had a female Kryptonian who knew
native MA. she had the power to kill him with 1 blow since she was as
super as he was. this I think would be an interesting match.
> And seeing DBZ's basis in the Monkey King Legend, and The
>Monkey king was definitely a Mystical being, Supes is highly susceptible
>to Magic, not to mention that Chi can be thought of as a sort of magic,
>as when you get down to it, Life is Magical Chi=Air=Life.
while Supes is susceptible to Magic, it doesnt reduce his
effectiveness in a fight. he can still use his abilities. plus, I
dont buy that chi=magic.
Tazer
"I hope that thing that floated by was a candy bar......." -Freakazoid!
Tazer
Hoy!
Excuse me for just waking up, but on Thu, 7 May 1998 10:36:49 -0400, I saw
that "Rishard Chapoteau" <rchap...@rici.com> wrote:
>U know this guy might be on to something. I think it was movie one that
>goku had to go through the freezing cold, and when he did he lost his
>powers. IF, (and that is a very big if) Iceman can freeze then, then he can
>win! Thats a huge if though. Probably not likely.
that was movie no. 2.
Tazer
Hoy!
Excuse me for just waking up, but on Thu, 07 May 1998 16:52:48 -0700, I saw
that ssj goku <ssj_...@mailexcite.com> wrote:
>And long, long before that, Kamesennin (in disguise) blew up the moon
>with one Kamehameha when Goku transformed during the final round of his
>first Tenkaichi Bodukai.
when was that? since most of them took place during the day, I dont
see how Goku could've done it.
unless, this is that "humor" thing that ppl have been talking to me
about....
Rob
Tazer wrote:
>
> Hoy!
> Excuse me for just waking up, but on Thu, 07 May 1998 16:52:48 -0700, I saw
> that ssj goku <ssj_...@mailexcite.com> wrote:
>
> >And long, long before that, Kamesennin (in disguise) blew up the moon
> >with one Kamehameha when Goku transformed during the final round of his
> >first Tenkaichi Bodukai.
>
> when was that? since most of them took place during the day, I dont
> see how Goku could've done it.
>
> unless, this is that "humor" thing that ppl have been talking to me
> about....
Nope. No joke. I don't remember exactly which issue, but Kamesennin was
disguised as his Jackie Chan (or whatever the name was) personality that
he created, and it was the final round of the tournament, which I'm
pretty sure was held at night. (You're right though. I think this was
the only one that had any rounds at night. Plot device, I guess) Also,
remember that the full moon can be seen in the morning sky as well as at
night.
-ssj goku
--
http://members.xoom.com/ssj_goku/
"A courageous warrior shuns violence.
A skillful soldier avoids anger.
A mighty warrior does not seek petty conquests."
-- Kwai Chang Caine
Michael Goodwin
Tazer wrote:
> Hoy!
> Tazer
> "I hope that thing that floated by was a candy bar......." -Freakazoid!
Just so all you know, Chi is the /Chinese/ word for what is known in Japan (and
thus in the world of DBZ) as Ki. Also, if you study ki in real life, which I am
trying my best to do now, you'll likely come to the conclusion that REAL ki is
electromagentical energy. Everything that can truly be done by ki seems to point
to EM, plus the fact that every living thing, as well as the Earth itself, has an
aura of EM around it. Unfortunately I cannot be taught more until I achieve the
rank of shodan and master the kata called Sanchin, or Three Battles. Apparently
many masters get tight lipped about the kata, because not only is its internal
methods hidden by my own teacher, but as well another teacher who gave an
interview would say next to /nothing/ on Sanchin. All I know is that the kata is
more an excercise of the mind, not the body, and that its the introduction to
using ki consciously. Those my teacher shows this to are sworn to secrecy, but
one of the seven gave me one shadow of a hint which I am trying to explore. I
felt my ki once, and have yet to again. Obviously ki can't let you perform a
kamehameha, but what can be done is pretty miraculous in itself. A man in
California I saw on a news report can heal illness, perhaps even cancer, with his
ki alone. A master my sensei saw could stop a punch midair without moving a
muscle, using sheer ki alone. Sensei himself cannot do near something as strong
with his ki, but I still long for the time when he'll teach me what he does know.
- Mike G (Trunks, not Vejiito:))
ssj goku
Michael Goodwin wrote:
>
> Just so all you know, Chi is the /Chinese/ word for what is known in Japan (and
> thus in the world of DBZ) as Ki. Also, if you study ki in real life, which I am
> trying my best to do now, you'll likely come to the conclusion that REAL ki is
> electromagentical energy. Everything that can truly be done by ki seems to point
> to EM, plus the fact that every living thing, as well as the Earth itself, has an
> aura of EM around it. Unfortunately I cannot be taught more until I achieve the
> rank of shodan and master the kata called Sanchin, or Three Battles. Apparently
> many masters get tight lipped about the kata, because not only is its internal
> methods hidden by my own teacher, but as well another teacher who gave an
> interview would say next to /nothing/ on Sanchin. All I know is that the kata is
> more an excercise of the mind, not the body, and that its the introduction to
> using ki consciously. Those my teacher shows this to are sworn to secrecy, but
> one of the seven gave me one shadow of a hint which I am trying to explore. I
> felt my ki once, and have yet to again. Obviously ki can't let you perform a
> kamehameha, but what can be done is pretty miraculous in itself. A man in
> California I saw on a news report can heal illness, perhaps even cancer, with his
> ki alone. A master my sensei saw could stop a punch midair without moving a
> muscle, using sheer ki alone. Sensei himself cannot do near something as strong
> with his ki, but I still long for the time when he'll teach me what he does know.
Electromagnetic energy as science defines it simply cannot do any of
this. (Well, except maybe healing powers) The only single force that
could possibly do all of these things would be an as yet undiscovered
(by science) life force that can be transferred from lifeform to
lifeform (healing) and be projected outside the body as some kind of
kinetic force. No force we know of can do this.
The only way EM energy could block a hit would be to fry the attacking
limb off. It can only heal by killing diseased cells. (You might be
thinking of electromagnetism, which is COMPLETELY different from,
although related to, electromagnetic energy) Just because everything has
an EM field doesn't mean squat. Life forms and the Earth both have
regular electrical auras as well, and a whole slew of other things,
including magnetic fields, air (in Chinese, chi literally means air, as
I'm sure you know)
> - Mike G (Trunks, not Vejiito:))
If you think that chi/ki is EM energy, you obviously don't fully
understand one of the two, and I'd say that you have a VERY firm grasp
on chi/ki itself. Btw, you keep saying that a Kamehameha is not
possible. Why not? Ancient Shaolins were supposedly able to use chi
outside their body to kill people, and even create small lightning bolt.
Since chi-gong as well as martial arts (ie Kung-Fu) increase the
strength of one's chi, it is not inconceivable that a much larger blast
is possible. (though it would take one most of one's life)
J Smith
Tazer <ta...@escape.com> wrote:
: Hoy!
: Excuse me for just waking up, but on Thu, 07 May 1998 16:52:48 -0700, I saw
: that ssj goku <ssj_...@mailexcite.com> wrote:
: >And long, long before that, Kamesennin (in disguise) blew up the moon
: >with one Kamehameha when Goku transformed during the final round of his
: >first Tenkaichi Bodukai.
: when was that? since most of them took place during the day, I dont
: see how Goku could've done it.
Jackie Chun aka Kamesennin blasted Gokuu quite high into the sky, and it
is possible to see the moon during the daytime, occasionally, so I suppose
with the increased altitude, Gokuu might have been able to get a good look
at the full moon and become Oozaru.
- Joe the Wise and Powerful
Tou
Michael Goodwin wrote in message <35578CF8...@geocities.com>...
>- Mike G (Trunks, not Vejiito:))
>
Where do u learn all this stuff?
T.V
SSJ7 Stevema
J Smith <jss...@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> wrote:
> With politeness, Super Saiyajin can destroy entire planets.
> For Kami-sama's sake, Piccolo blew up the moon with ease long before Gokuu
> and company started becoming SSJ.
> Iceman would last about 1/2 a second against Yamucha, and he's the
> weakest.
Iceman...bwahahaha, now that he can armor himself, he's a little
tougher, but he's still kinda a dweeb. My personal favorite would be to
see Wolverine attack DBZ characters and get his little adamantium body
ripped apart. "Here Mr. Logan, lemme spin yer head on backwards!" <spin>
"Hey there punk, I got claws and a healing factor *gurk ugh owww*" hehehe
Hey Joe, Steve here...just a quick question: didn't Vejita/Vegeta
threaten to wipe out Earth when he was fighting Goku after Goku returned
from the dead (using an energy blast that is)? Also, I believe that Vejita
wiped out the planet Arlia (tv episodes) in a shot. So, they didn't even
have to be SSJ to wipe out planets.
P.S. Joe-"Trunks Special" is for sale down here in RD, but for
$40!!
SSJ7 Stevema Prime
J Smith
SSJ7 Stevema <sten...@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> wrote:
: Hey Joe, Steve here...just a quick question: didn't Vejita/Vegeta
: threaten to wipe out Earth when he was fighting Goku after Goku returned
: from the dead (using an energy blast that is)? Also, I believe that Vejita
: wiped out the planet Arlia (tv episodes) in a shot. So, they didn't even
: have to be SSJ to wipe out planets.
: P.S. Joe-"Trunks Special" is for sale down here in RD, but for
: $40!!
: SSJ7 Stevema Prime
$40 Bucks?!?!?! What A rip off! Megazone had it for rent when it was still
open, but the quality was so bad it's not even funny.
As for all DBZ warriors. Its difficult to say how strong one has to be to
destroy planetary bodies. From what I've seen, I'd think it would be
harder NOT to destroy the Earth with some of the fights I've seen.
Just too powerful.
- Joe the Wise and Powerful
BTW Steve, how did you do in J302? (you can mail the mark to me if you
don't want newsgroup readers to see, even if they could comprehend our
stupid stanine system.)