State Department: Democracy Domino theory not credible
midtowng
WASHINGTON -- A classified State Department report expresses doubt
that installing a new regime in Iraq will foster the spread of
democracy in the Middle East, a claim President Bush has made in
trying to build support for a war, according to intelligence officials
familiar with the document.
The report exposes significant divisions within the Bush
administration over the so-called democratic domino theory, one of the
arguments that underpins the case for invading Iraq.
The report, which has been distributed to a small group of top
government officials but not publicly disclosed, says that daunting
economic and social problems are likely to undermine basic stability
in the region for years, let alone prospects for democratic reform.
Even if some version of democracy took root -- an event the report
casts as unlikely -- anti-American sentiment is so pervasive that
elections in the short term could lead to the rise of
Islamic-controlled governments hostile to the United States.
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John Doh
>WASHINGTON -- A classified State Department report expresses doubt
>that installing a new regime in Iraq will foster the spread of
>democracy in the Middle East, a claim President Bush has made in
>trying to build support for a war, according to intelligence officials
>familiar with the document.
Yes, better we leave Saddam alone. That way he'll get to keep his stockpiles of
WMD, and maybe one day he'll actually build a nuclear bomb.
He'll have to pass his spare time torturing and killing his subjects and
allowing children to die of starvation and disease. But at least he will have
Hamas terrorists to keep him company while he fosters more and more
anti-American attitude. Yeah, MUCH better.
Just look away, Mr. Garrett. You don't want to look too closely at the people
dying there. It's only horrible if they die in a war.
--
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in the 'social sciences' is: some do, some don't.
-- Ernest Rutherford
Patrick Finucane
> http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-domino14mar14001443,1,6994015.story?coll=la%2Dheadlines%2Dworld
>
> WASHINGTON -- A classified State Department report expresses doubt
> that installing a new regime in Iraq will foster the spread of
> democracy in the Middle East, a claim President Bush has made in
> trying to build support for a war, according to intelligence officials
> familiar with the document.
Why is that classified. It's common sense.
Olivier Marquet
"Patrick Finucane" <finu...@mindspring.com> wrote:
3E727BDC...@mindspring.com...
> midtowng wrote:
>
> >
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-domino14mar14001443,1,69
94015.story?coll=la%2Dheadlines%2Dworld
> >
> > WASHINGTON -- A classified State Department report expresses doubt
> > that installing a new regime in Iraq will foster the spread of
> > democracy in the Middle East, a claim President Bush has made in
> > trying to build support for a war, according to intelligence officials
> > familiar with the document.
>
> Why is that classified. It's common sense.
>
Winston Smith, American Patriot
> midtowng wrote:
>
>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-domino14mar1400144
>> 3,1,6994015.story?coll=la%2Dheadlines%2Dworld
>>
>> WASHINGTON -- A classified State Department report expresses doubt
>> that installing a new regime in Iraq will foster the spread of
>> democracy in the Middle East, a claim President Bush has made in
>> trying to build support for a war, according to intelligence
>> officials familiar with the document.
>
> Why is that classified. It's common sense.
>
Are you kidding me? The secretive paranoids in this administration have
even had the White House cafeteria menu classified as "eyes only."
eelder1
during the Vietnam War. "If we don't attack Vietnam and stop communism
in it tracks, it will spread to the other SE Asian nations." This isn't
what happened after the U.S. withdrew. In fact Vietnam and China started
fighting each other. This had to be a conservative trial balloon.
Robin
eelder1 <eel...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3E72885F...@tampabay.rr.com...
> This is the domino theory in reverse. The same type of thinking was used
> during the Vietnam War. "If we don't attack Vietnam and stop communism
> in it tracks, it will spread to the other SE Asian nations." This isn't
> what happened after the U.S. withdrew. In fact Vietnam and China started
> fighting each other. This had to be a conservative trial balloon
so what's the connection to the fact that PETA is a bunch of morons that
sends
irrelevant form letters that don't even address the original issue?
warren stupidity
wrote:
Why on earth would you think that 'installing democracy' was part of
any plan seriously considered by the neocon cabal in washington?
Making Iraq Safe For Democracy was simply lie number three tossed out
by the professional liars in the faux-regime, when lies one and two
weren't having the desired effect. They are so lame at lying that they
haven't even managed to come up with lies 4,5,6 and 7. At least then
we could have a daily rotation rather than the confusing current
situation.
A really good set of professional liars would have had the moron
supplying a lie of the day for why we are going to kill a whole lot of
poorly armed Iraqis: a barrage of lies so overwhelming that buckets of
talking heads would be occupied for months just sorting them all out.
==
Mark Roddy
"Further, the process of transformation,
even if it brings revolutionary change, is
likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event like a
new Pearl Harbor."
-- Project for a New American Century,
-- the neocon cabal's blueprint for world empire.
William Barwell
> gjoh...@eudoramail.com (midtowng):
>
>>WASHINGTON -- A classified State Department report expresses doubt
>>that installing a new regime in Iraq will foster the spread of
>>democracy in the Middle East, a claim President Bush has made in
>>trying to build support for a war, according to intelligence officials
>>familiar with the document.
>
> Yes, better we leave Saddam alone. That way he'll get to keep his
> stockpiles of WMD, and maybe one day he'll actually build a nuclear bomb.
>
Well, here we go again, another tiresome right winger style
strawman attack.
Nobody's saying let Saddam alone to create nuclear weapons,
are they?
Nope.
Now, why do you think lying like that will make anybody change their minds?
Obviously the old tactics of creating outrageous strawmen and outrageous
false dilemma logicla fallacies simply will get you the contempt and
sneers using these sort of tired, trite, wrongheaded and useless games
will earn you.
The far right false dillema of "War! Right NOW!" or "Let Saddam
build nuclear wepons unopposed" is bullshit.
And you know it.
And you had to know somebody would call you down on your
intellectually dishonest and lacking response.
Did you really think you could get change anybody's mind
with such stupidities?
Or was it that you were not thinking at all,
just knee-jerking off?
You lose.
Cheerful Charlie
> He'll have to pass his spare time torturing and killing his subjects and
> allowing children to die of starvation and disease. But at least he will
> have Hamas terrorists to keep him company while he fosters more and more
> anti-American attitude. Yeah, MUCH better.
>
> Just look away, Mr. Garrett. You don't want to look too closely at the
> people dying there. It's only horrible if they die in a war.
>
>
--
Bush is an idiot. But you knew that.
Cheerful Charlie
Stupendous Man
> gjoh...@eudoramail.com (midtowng):
>
>> WASHINGTON -- A classified State Department report expresses doubt
>> that installing a new regime in Iraq will foster the spread of
>> democracy in the Middle East, a claim President Bush has made in
>> trying to build support for a war, according to intelligence officials
>> familiar with the document.
> Yes, better we leave Saddam alone. That way he'll get to keep his stockpiles
> of
> WMD, and maybe one day he'll actually build a nuclear bomb.
>
> He'll have to pass his spare time torturing and killing his subjects and
> allowing children to die of starvation and disease. But at least he will have
> Hamas terrorists to keep him company while he fosters more and more
> anti-American attitude. Yeah, MUCH better.
>
> Just look away, Mr. Garrett. You don't want to look too closely at the people
> dying there. It's only horrible if they die in a war.
It's a weird mindset that infects some "career bureaucrats". Messing with the status-quo is the worst thing you can do in their minds.
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Stupendous Man
> during the Vietnam War. "If we don't attack Vietnam and stop communism
> in it tracks, it will spread to the other SE Asian nations." This isn't
> what happened after the U.S. withdrew. In fact Vietnam and China started
> fighting each other. This had to be a conservative trial balloon.
Sure, Pol Pot had to go, but Communism isn't much better.
Stupendous Man—Defeating liberals on Usenet since 1987.
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- Initial insult
- [snip text]
- Red herring
- [snip text]
- Change subject
- [snip text]
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- ...repeat as needed
midtowng
> FBI sources have verified that "eelder1", in news message
> <3E72885F...@tampabay.rr.com>, posted on 2003-03-14 8:55 PM apparently
> from mailto:eel...@tampabay.rr.com, said:
>
> > This is the domino theory in reverse. The same type of thinking was used
> > during the Vietnam War. "If we don't attack Vietnam and stop communism
> > in it tracks, it will spread to the other SE Asian nations." This isn't
> > what happened after the U.S. withdrew. In fact Vietnam and China started
> > fighting each other. This had to be a conservative trial balloon.
>
> Except that Vietnam invaded Cambodia first.
Hmmm. First of all, Vietnam invaded Cambodia because the Khmer Rouge
kept raiding across the Vietnam border.
Secondly, what does that have to do with China?
>
> Sure, Pol Pot had to go, but Communism isn't much better.
What kind of government do you think Pol Pot led?
William Barwell
The Reagan approved "government of note" of Cambodia of course.
You see, Reagan big anti-communist honcho man.
Reagan, him support Pol Pot.
Thus, Pol Pot not commie!
Me now beat dittohead chest like victorious ape.
Thump! Thump! Thump!
Aren't these right winger types fun?