Fleeing suspect shot by racist cop like Scott
Dutch Courage
MIAMI, (Reuters) - The Justice Department and the FBI are investigating the
fatal shooting of an unarmed carjacking suspect by a Miami policeman who has
killed three other suspects in the line of duty, a federal official said
Thursday.
U.S. Attorney Tom Scott promised a ``thorough and diligent'' investigation that
would be carried out as soon as possible.
Antonio Butler, 19, was shot and killed by Miami Police Sgt. Juan Mendez on
Sept. 20 as he climbed over a fence with police in pursuit. Police reports said
Butler was unarmed but had been driving a car that was hijacked at gunpoint a
day earlier, and was fleeing after crashing the car into a pole.
Mendez told investigators that Butler turned and reached for his waist as he
climbed the fence, and that he fired because he thought Butler was reaching for
a gun. The officer was placed on desk duty with pay.
The Miami Police Department and the state attorney's office were already
investigating the shooting.
Mendez has shot and killed three other suspects while on duty since joining the
Miami police force in 1984, and shot and wounded a fourth. He was also the
subject of numerous use-of-force complaints.
Butler's mother has alleged that the policeman was ``trigger happy,'' and the
minister who gave Butler's eulogy described it as ``cold-blooded murder, hiding
behind a badge.''
After Butler's funeral on Monday, 300 mourners protested outside the city
police station and urged that Mendez be fired from the force and charged in the
shooting.
Internal investigations into the other fatal shootings Mendez was involved in
concluded they were justified. One involved a man who fired a rifle inside his
girlfriend's house, then aimed it at police. Another involved a man who had
just shot up a bar, fatally wounding the owner's son. The third involved a man
shooting at the apartment of a woman who had rejected him.
Police said no other Miami officer had shot as many people, but noted that
Mendez worked the late-night shift in some of the city's roughest
neighborhoods.
19:01 09-30-99
"There is no land beyond the law, where tyrants rule with unshakable power.
It is but a dream from which the evil wake to face their fate, their
terrifying hour."
-Wesley Dodds.
Bill Baldwin
Plonk.
Neil
Scratchie wrote:
>
> rad...@bigfoot.commmmmmmm wrote:
> : On 01 Oct 1999 13:01:40 GMT, hpstr...@aol.commissar (Dutch Courage) wrote:
>
> :>MIAMI, (Reuters) - The Justice Department and the FBI are investigating the
> :>fatal shooting of an unarmed carjacking suspect by a Miami policeman who has
> :>killed three other suspects in the line of duty, a federal official said
> :>Thursday.
According to the witnesses the suspect appeared to reach for
something when he was shot.
Neil
Scratchie wrote:
>
> rad...@bigfoot.commmmmmmm wrote:
> : On 01 Oct 1999 13:01:40 GMT, hpstr...@aol.commissar (Dutch Courage) wrote:
>
> :>MIAMI, (Reuters) - The Justice Department and the FBI are investigating the
> :>fatal shooting of an unarmed carjacking suspect by a Miami policeman who has
> :>killed three other suspects in the line of duty, a federal official said
> :>Thursday.
>
> : Kinda cuts down on the number of carjackers, doesn't it?! =:^) Don't have to
> : feed the asshole during his likely 60 days in jail.
>
> Posts like this just make me wish that some day you'll find yourself
> running from a cop who thinks you've committed a crime.
Well I don't agree with shooting just anyone, but the
suspect had committed a crime.
El Pederasto Loco
People like you make me wish I had a fucking chain saw and your
monkey butt tied up to a tree.
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: rad...@bigfoot.commmmmmmm wrote:
: : On 01 Oct 1999 13:01:40 GMT, hpstr...@aol.commissar (Dutch Courage) wrote:
: :>MIAMI, (Reuters) - The Justice Department and the FBI are investigating the
: :>fatal shooting of an unarmed carjacking suspect by a Miami policeman who has
: :>killed three other suspects in the line of duty, a federal official said
: :>Thursday.
: : Kinda cuts down on the number of carjackers, doesn't it?! =:^) Don't have to
: : feed the asshole during his likely 60 days in jail.
: Posts like this just make me wish that some day you'll find yourself
: running from a cop who thinks you've committed a crime.
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bothered:
>On 01 Oct 1999 13:01:40 GMT, hpstr...@aol.commissar (Dutch Courage) wrote:
>
>>MIAMI, (Reuters) - The Justice Department and the FBI are investigating the
>>fatal shooting of an unarmed carjacking suspect by a Miami policeman who has
>>killed three other suspects in the line of duty, a federal official said
>>Thursday.
>
>Kinda cuts down on the number of carjackers, doesn't it?! =:^)
Ooo! A smiley! Has Dr. H. been recruiting?
> Don't have
>to
>feed the asshole during his likely 60 days in jail.
A modest proposal from Geno, shoot the poor!
>
>>Antonio Butler, 19, was shot and killed by Miami Police Sgt. Juan Mendez on
>>Sept. 20 as he climbed over a fence with police in pursuit. Police reports
>said
>>Butler was unarmed but had been driving a car that was hijacked at gunpoint
>a
>>day earlier, and was fleeing after crashing the car into a pole.
>
>Poor sweet loveable Antonio!
I don't think anyone was suggesting he was a nice guy. Still, if you were
shot, I'd want your killer brought to justice.
> My heart bleeds! Ohmigawd, how terrible!
Only a rat would shoot a guy in the back.
>And he
>was
>just going to the store to get a loaf of bread for his Mom, right? Or a model
>car for his baby brother.
No, he was fleeing from the cops. But I repeat, only a rat would shoot a guy
in the back.
>
>Did the cop know that poor little innocent Antonio was unarmed? Or that the
>fleeing suspect hadn't just committed a murder along with the carjacking, as
>happens pretty regularly?
Doesn't matter; he was climbing over a fence. Can't use lethal force because
that's the way John Wayne woulda done it.
>
>Now ... explain how the cop is automatically a racist. Suspect: Antonio. Cop:
>Juan. Both Hispanic names. Are they both Hispanic? Even if Antonio is
>African-American or something else, why would Sgt. Mendez be tarred with the
>epithet "racist"? Oh, that's right ... consider the lowly source.
This cop has caused something like three riots, now.
>
>>Mendez told investigators that Butler turned and reached for his waist as he
>>climbed the fence, and that he fired because he thought Butler was reaching
>for
>>a gun. The officer was placed on desk duty with pay.
>
>Sounds very reasonable.
No, it doesn't at all, and if there's any justice in Miami, Officer stupid is
going down. Heh. My heart almost bleeds for him in prison, passed around for
kools. Almost.
> Our should the expendable officer have waited to be
>shot
>at first?
He should've waited until lethal force was reasonable, but it's obvious from
his record he's not good at that.
>
>>Butler's mother has alleged that the policeman was ``trigger happy,'' and
>the
>>minister who gave Butler's eulogy described it as ``cold-blooded murder,
>hiding
>>behind a badge.''
>
>So Sharpton's influence can be felt in Miami, now. Sheesh.
Is there anything so egregious you won't defend it, Geno?
>
>Butler's mother also has alleged that her little sweetie would never commit
>anything like a carjacking. So what was he doing driving the carjacked car?
Oh, he stole a car. Well, that sure merits a death penalty, especially from a
cop who say Dirty Harry one too many times.
>
>>After Butler's funeral on Monday, 300 mourners protested outside the city
>>police station and urged that Mendez be fired from the force and charged in
>the
>>shooting.
>
>Because he's a Hispanic, he's automatically guilty of murdering a poor
>innocent
>carjacker?
No, because he shot an unarmed man who was climbing a fence, he's a menace to
society. He's worse than a carjacker, can I shoot him?
>
>>Internal investigations into the other fatal shootings Mendez was involved
>in
>>concluded they were justified.
>
>So, what's the point of the current brouhaha? Oh, I know ... All the
>investigators of the previous cases were racists, too.
Well, and cops lie to cover each other.
>Right HamsterPhuk?
>
>>Police said no other Miami officer had shot as many people, but noted that
>>Mendez worked the late-night shift in some of the city's roughest
>>neighborhoods.
>
>Again, DoofuzPhartz, what is your point?
The cop is a loose cannon, a menace to society. I notice you clipped the part
about his excessive force complaints.
on what do you base your claim that
>the
>officer is a racist? (Or for that matter, that Scott is?)
Well, come on, do you read the things Scott writes?
> How about admitting
>that -- although the press report conveniently ignored his probable arrest
>record -- this suspect was, in all likelihood, just another scumsucking
>bottomfeeder.
Oh, I'm sure he was. It just doesn't matter.
> I don't know what the perp's racial background was. It doesn't
>matter. It's immaterial.
Right; that just adds to what a creep Menendez is.
Bob Ward
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> rad...@bigfoot.commmmmmmm wrote:
> : On 01 Oct 1999 13:01:40 GMT, hpstr...@aol.commissar (Dutch Courage)
wrote:
>
> :>MIAMI, (Reuters) - The Justice Department and the FBI are investigating
the
> :>fatal shooting of an unarmed carjacking suspect by a Miami policeman who
has
> :>killed three other suspects in the line of duty, a federal official said
> :>Thursday.
>
have to
> : feed the asshole during his likely 60 days in jail.
>
> running from a cop who thinks you've committed a crime.
I dunno... I've never had any occasion to run from a cop, having committed a
crime or not. Seems like doing so might contribute to the outcome, somehow.
Dutch Courage
Hmmm. Yeah, well, that's a class difference at work. How to manipulate the
system. Must be part of why some of us think of traffic stops as something you
sit in your car during.
> Seems like doing so might contribute to the outcome, somehow.
If you're shot while fleeing, that cop fucked up. Cops who fuck up too bad or
too often are a menace to society, as sure as car jackers. Maybe worse.
Is the perp a creep? Prolly. Should cops use lethal force in potentially
lethal situations? Sure, you bet. Was this one? I dunno, can you get a gun out
when you're climbing a fence? Me, I'd need both hands, how about you? Does
power come with responsibility and review? You bet your ass, kid.
Oh, and Julie, let's do it another way. Say your kid decides to break the law
someday. That might happen; lots of people break the law, and they all have
mothers. Now, let's say some cop or even rent-a-guard has his manly on and
shoots your kid dead when he's climbing a fence to get away, all over a TV, a
pair of sneakers, or even just the way your kid reaching in his jacket. That
okay with you?
Dutch Courage
>>> Don't have
>>>to
>>>feed the asshole during his likely 60 days in jail.
>>
>> A modest proposal from Geno, shoot the poor!
>>
>
>Oh, Good Lord...
Careful, you're going to be the chick who prayed "wolf," and you might need
the big G in the sky if someone leaves a blanket over a night light.
>. I feel another "being poor is an excuse for criminal
>behavior" post coming on.
No, you feel another "why do you begrudge people a baloney sandwich and a cot
while they await trail?" coming on.
> I think I'm gonna barf.
How do you think I feel?
>
>I don't care whether someone is dirt poor or wearing ten Rolexes... if they
>make like they are reaching for a weapon, I'm going to get them before they
>get
>me.
Ah, good. And if you shoot them while they're climbing a fence, I'm going to
get you before you get someone else.
> I'm sure Mr. Mendez has a family who would like for him to come home,
>too.
He keeps this up, and he might not have a city to come back to.
>In order to protect Butler and Butler's family from the consequences of his
>own
>poor choices,
'm sorry, I wasn't aware the penalty for fleeing and eluding was a bullet in
the back.
>
>However, it does make a much better and more dramatic statement to say that
>he
>was shot because he was poor rather than he was shot because he was a stupid
>criminal who made a threatening move toward a police officer who then felt
>the
>need to protect himself.
I don't think he made a threatening move. He was climbing a fence, that
usually takes both hands, and requires concetration just to keep from falling.
I think it's more likely cops are lying to cover another cop, as cops will do.
I also wonder why Geno has a problem with feeding convicts, and if that
applies to people who can't get their own food together in general, see?
Dutch Courage
>
>Plonk.
Well, Fine, Bill. I'm going to keep calling a spade a spade as I see it, so
you might as well. I'm not going to be nice, because I define the set of all
ideas best met with contempt more broadly than you do. I wade in with both
hands, Irish up, ready to mix it up.
but I wonder why you haven't plonked Scott. Nearly everything he posts is a
troll. "Let's bash Clinton," and "Let's bash Michael Jackson," and "those darn
liberals, did you see what they said today?" It's pretty obvious he's a racist,
how many more people have to say so before you see it? Hell, even Deb thinks
so.
So I just wonder at your agenda here.
Bob Blaylock
> >The title alone is a troll. Good-bye Dutch.
> >
> >Plonk.
>
> Well, Fine, Bill. I'm going to keep calling a spade a spade as I see it, so
> you might as well. I'm not going to be nice, because I define the set of all
> ideas best met with contempt more broadly than you do. I wade in with both
> hands, Irish up, ready to mix it up.
It'd be interesting to know what "spade" it is that you saw in the article to
describe as such. I didn't see that the article said anything about the ethnic
background of either the criminal or of the officer who shot it. Perhaps your
knee-jerk use of the term "racist" supports what I have already observed, that the
vast majority of the time that the term "racist" is used, it really has nothing
literally to do with racism, but rather with the horrible offense of failing to
agree, on some other issue, with the person using the term.
Though the article doesn't explicitly mention race, it's interesting to note
that the "racist" cop who shot the criminal is named "Juan Mendez", a name that
suggests him to be of recent Hispanic ancestry, while the criminal's name is
"Antonio Butler", a name that could quite easily belong to someone of pure
Caucasian ancestry. Isn't it a fairly solidly established doctrine of Political
Correctness that a Hispanic committing any act against a Caucasian can't possibly
be doing so for racist motives?
> but I wonder why you haven't plonked Scott. Nearly everything he posts is a
> troll. "Let's bash Clinton," and "Let's bash Michael Jackson," and "those darn
> liberals, did you see what they said today?" It's pretty obvious he's a racist,
> how many more people have to say so before you see it? Hell, even Deb thinks
> so.
As I already mentioned, it's been my observation that the term "racist" is
nearly always applied for reasons having nothing to do with literal racism, but
rather for failing to mindlessly agree with the Political Correctness movement.
The real racists, the most destructive among them, at least, are seldom branded
with this label. Of course there are the few idiots who subscribe to Neo-Nazi or
KKK or similar varieties of whitesupremacism, but these are few, and insignificant
in influence to the real racists, who are the ones demanding, and getting, special
treatment in for their preferred races in the form of "Affirmative Action", quotas
in hiring or college admissions, and other special priveleges granted only members
of various minority groups.
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Dutch Courage
>>>I dunno... I've never had any occasion to run from a cop, having committed
>a
>>>crime or not.
>>
>> Hmmm. Yeah, well, that's a class difference at work. How to manipulate the
>>system. Must be part of why some of us think of traffic stops as something
>>you
>>sit in your car during.
>
>George, how in the hell is running from the police a "class difference"?
Hmm. I imagine it has to do with expectations of the level of fairness you can
recieve, and etc.
>Why
>is everything about race and class with you?
It's easier than pretending they don't exist, either.
>
>In college I briefly dated a real idiot who, on one occassion, ran from the
>cops after he was pulled over on his way home from a frat party. (He was
>from
>one of those nice houses on the lake in Rockwall.) I figure he did it
>because
>he was afraid of the consequences of driving after one too many jello shots.
>If you're poor, it's a "class difference". If you aren't, it's pure
>stupidity?
I dunno. However, as a white person who doesn't drop his "G" at the end of a
gerund I'm familiar with the system to a degree I'd know to get my ticket, or
even go off to the poke, co-operate so as not to recieve a horrible beating,
and find out how much money I have to pay a lawyer to make it all go away.
> level does it stop being about class and start being
>about being afraid of the consequences for your actions?
I dunno if its being afraid of the consequences of your actions so much as a
reasonable expectation of some combination of justice and/or being able to
manipulate the system to my advantage.
>
>>Oh, and Julie, let's do it another way. Say your kid decides to break the
>law
>>someday. That might happen; lots of people break the law, and they all have
>>mothers. Now, let's say some cop or even rent-a-guard has his manly on and
>>shoots your kid dead when he's climbing a fence to get away, all over a TV,
>a
>>pair of sneakers, or even just the way your kid reaching in his jacket. That
>>okay with you?
>>
>
>Nope, it wouldn't be okay with me. In fact, in my terrible grief, I would
>probably shake my fist at the cop, shake my fist at society, and shake my
>fist
>at God. I would cry and pull out my hair and gnash my teeth and scream at
>the
>world because that would be easier than looking at myself and wondering where
>I
>failed in teaching him right and wrong or looking at my dead son and blaming
>him for his own actions. Understandable, totally expected.... but still
>wrong.
Huh. So cops can just shoot whoever they like?
>
>Though we always freakin' disagree, George, you know I think you're great!
>(I really do, people!) BTW, I'm looking forward to seeing who this "Scott"
>person is. Being so new to afca, I probably have a lot to catch up on.
He's the guy who gave us that cool thread about JFK Jr. you thought so highly
of, 'member?
Dutch Courage
(Helge, does this mean he's making Blay, whatever that is? Does he do it while
the sun shines?)
>Dutch Cowardice wrote:
>
>> >The title alone is a troll. Good-bye Dutch.
>> >
>> >Plonk.
>>
>> Well, Fine, Bill. I'm going to keep calling a spade a spade as I see it,
>so
>> you might as well. I'm not going to be nice, because I define the set of
>all
>> ideas best met with contempt more broadly than you do. I wade in with both
>> hands, Irish up, ready to mix it up.
>
> It'd be interesting to know what "spade" it is that you saw in the article
>to
>describe as such.
Oh, I meant Scott. I dunno if BB would react that way if I had simply posted
somethign like "cowboy cop goes nutso."
> I didn't see that the article said anything about the
>ethnic
>background of either the criminal or of the officer who shot it.
Antonio Butler is not a white guy's name.
>Perhaps
>your
>knee-jerk use of the term "racist" supports what I have already observed,
>that the
>vast majority of the time that the term "racist" is used, it really has
>nothing
>literally to do with racism, but rather with the horrible offense of failing
>to
>agree, on some other issue, with the person using the term.
Huh. Well, I dunno where you get that from, but its a fact most of the time
someone says something is racist they know what they are talking about. PS,
this ain't Alt-furious-caucasion-andros, dig?
>
> Though the article doesn't explicitly mention race, it's interesting to
>note
>that the "racist" cop who shot the criminal is named "Juan Mendez", a name
>that
>suggests him to be of recent Hispanic ancestry, while the criminal's name is
>"Antonio Butler", a name that could quite easily belong to someone of pure
>Caucasian ancestry.
Generally white people who have names like "Antonio" have last names that end
in a vowel.
>
>
>> but I wonder why you haven't plonked Scott. Nearly everything he posts is a
>> troll. "Let's bash Clinton," and "Let's bash Michael Jackson," and "those
>darn
>> liberals, did you see what they said today?" It's pretty obvious he's a
>racist,
>> how many more people have to say so before you see it? Hell, even Deb
>thinks
>> so.
>
> As I already mentioned, it's been my observation that the term "racist" is
>nearly always applied for reasons having nothing to do with literal racism,
Well, then you observe wrong, and deserve a good hard "plonk" yourself.
>but
>rather for failing to mindlessly agree with the Political Correctness
>movement.
You know, tolerance, equality, those good things. Me, I've noticed people who
complain about "political correctness" are snively white men who are bummed
that they might ever have to play fair.
>The real racists, the most destructive among them, at least, are seldom
>branded
>with this label.
What, politically correct? You bet.
> Of course there are the few idiots who subscribe to
>Neo-Nazi or
>KKK or similar varieties of whitesupremacism, but these are few, and
>insignificant
>in influence to the real racists, who are the ones demanding, and getting,
>special
>treatment in for their preferred races in the form of "Affirmative Action",
>quotas
>in hiring or college admissions, and other special priveleges granted only
>members
>of various minority groups.
That's just asinine, Bob, not that I am surprised. Afirmative Action doesn't
limit the opportunity of all but the laziest and least qualified white people.
Of course, those are usually the ones I notice complaining about it.
I mean, really, man, do you think racism is limited to KKK types?
Dutch Courage
>In article <37F5F602...@usa.net>, bob-blayl...@usa.net
>says...
>
>> Though the article doesn't explicitly mention race, it's interesting to
>note
>> that the "racist" cop who shot the criminal is named "Juan Mendez", a name
>that
>> suggests him to be of recent Hispanic ancestry, while the criminal's name
>is
>> "Antonio Butler", a name that could quite easily belong to someone of pure
>> Caucasian ancestry.
>
>How about a Thought Experiment?
Well, but that presupposes either one of you can think, something which
reamins to be demonstrated.
>
>What would the "cry racism" mob
You know, the black community of Miami. Sounds like they are pretty upset, and
have been pretty upset over this sort of thing for quite some time. I wonder,
despite what Irish and Geno and Scott and not-Bob say (The cry "no racism, boy"
mob, who coincidentally are all white) why residents of large cities do not
expect justice from the cops, why they figure it's "cold blooded murder hiding
behind a badge." When white people get shot by cops, do white people say "No
Justice, No Peace" and go burn something down? Are black people rational?
> say if this unwarranted assumption (that
>the carjacker was a person of color)
Oops! For safety's sake, never assume ol' Dutch hasn't looked into something
he posts.
> had been made by one of their online
>interlocutors? Perhaps by a "racist cop?"
It depends on if he's black or not. I originally heard this story on NPR
yesterday morning, but couldn't find a transcript. Interestingly, the AOL news
doesn't mention the man's race, or make much of the community outcry it and the
context of this sort of thing in Miami. What happened to the ::cue spooky
music:: LIBERAL MEDIA!?!?!?!
NPR's Cheryl Devall reports from Miami where a police shooting of a black
resident is causing anger in a city that has seen similar incidents in the past
few years. During the 1980s there were riots following the deaths of Miami
residents by police. This time, it has been discovered that the officer under
question has a record of shooting incidents. (3:51)
http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/me/19991001.me.07.ram
>
>They, of course, immediately make this assumption.
>
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>********************************
>Then the ape grew very depressed
>Went through Transactional Analysis
>He plays racquetball and runs in the rain
>Still he's shackled to a platinum chain
Dutch Courage
>> I wonder,
>>despite what Irish and Geno and Scott and not-Bob say (The cry "no racism,
>>boy"
>>mob, who coincidentally are all white)...
>
>Ooh, and I'm blonde haired and blue eyed, too! Do I get my
>naughty-white-person decoder ring with an extra sparkly stone?
No, you get a year's supply of swine. Devil.
Dutch Courage
>>>> I wonder,
>>>>despite what Irish and Geno and Scott and not-Bob say (The cry "no racism,
>>>>boy"
>>>>mob, who coincidentally are all white)...
>>>
>>>Ooh, and I'm blonde haired and blue eyed, too! Do I get my
>>>naughty-white-person decoder ring with an extra sparkly stone?
>>
>> No, you get a year's supply of swine. Devil.
>
>Uh oh... Three questions:
>
>Now that I'm a "devil", do you think Prestonwood Baptist will still let me
>teach Sunday School?
Oh, sure. Look at all the pictures of J the C you've got there; is he a white
guy?
> Will the horns interfere with my hairdo?
I don't know.
>Is that swine
>low-fat, and where on earth would I keep it with my limited refrigerator
>space?
Just keep it in your shirt pocket. White people smell like baloney anyway.
WayCool Reverend
to stop a dedicated officer.
The Way Cool Reverend ULC! who says we should nail 'em to crosses like
they did in the days of true justice.
http://community.webtv.net/TyrC/LasVegapalooza
mlo...@lobo.civetsystems.com
> >>Now that I'm a "devil", do you think Prestonwood Baptist will still let me
> >>teach Sunday School?
> >
> > Oh, sure. Look at all the pictures of J the C you've got there; is he a
> >white guy?
>
> Hmmmm... well, He's jewish, so I guess He does fit the
> "white"category.
It isn't any big mystery what Jesus looked like -- people still live
in that region and if he DIDN'T look like them (i.e. dark hair and
eyes, olive skin), someone would have mentioned it.
> Jesus wasn't born a jew just to piss you off, George.
That's just a side benefit.
> The facts are the man was of
> jewish descent, so to have a picture of a black or hispanic Jesus on the wall
> would be a tad odd.
As do the fey-Nordic Jesus the Fag Viking paintings a lot of Americans
favor.
> God Himself, on the other hand, is not a "color" or
> "race".
Or a "sex", of course.
> Last I checked your pic on Opal's site, George, you're a white guy. What do
> you smell like?
Really?
> By the way, has a black person *ever* done or said anything racist, or is that
> somehow different and/or excusable?
Both, according to George.
M.
Bob Blaylock
> Bob Blaylock bob-blayl...@usa.net
>
> > Of course there are the few idiots who subscribe to
> >Neo-Nazi or KKK or similar varieties of whites
> >upremacism, but these are few, and insignificant
> >in influence to the real racists, who are the ones
> >demanding, and getting, special treatment in for
> >their preferred races in the form of "Affirmative Action",
> >quotas in hiring or college admissions, and other special
> >priveleges granted only members of various minority
> >groups.
> .
> .
> .
> I mean, really, man, do you think racism is limited to KKK types?
I shall let this exchange stand as a monument to the ultimate ability to miss
an obvious point.
Bob Ward
Dutch Courage <hpstr...@aol.commissar> wrote in message
news:19991002013136...@ng-cc1.aol.com...
> "Bob Ward" rcw...@gte.net writes:
> >
> >I dunno... I've never had any occasion to run from a cop, having
committed a
> >crime or not.
>
> Hmmm. Yeah, well, that's a class difference at work. How to manipulate
the
> system. Must be part of why some of us think of traffic stops as something
you
> sit in your car during.
>
> > Seems like doing so might contribute to the outcome, somehow.
>
> If you're shot while fleeing, that cop fucked up. Cops who fuck up too bad
or
> too often are a menace to society, as sure as car jackers. Maybe worse.
If you're fleeing from the cops, YOU'VE fucked up. You buy a ticket for the
dance, it doesn't seem that you should be complaining about the music.
I don't see where you get the idea that not fleeing from the police is a
CLASS difference... or are you saying that, as a minority, you have the
right to run from the police with impunity?
> Is the perp a creep? Prolly. Should cops use lethal force in potentially
> lethal situations? Sure, you bet. Was this one? I dunno, can you get a gun
out
> when you're climbing a fence? Me, I'd need both hands, how about you? Does
> power come with responsibility and review? You bet your ass, kid.
>
> Oh, and Julie, let's do it another way. Say your kid decides to break the
law
> someday. That might happen; lots of people break the law, and they all
have
> mothers. Now, let's say some cop or even rent-a-guard has his manly on and
> shoots your kid dead when he's climbing a fence to get away, all over a
TV, a
> pair of sneakers, or even just the way your kid reaching in his jacket.
That
> okay with you?
>
Bob Ward
Dutch Courage <hpstr...@aol.commissar> wrote in message
And what sort of a fine, upstanding citizen does it take to carjack someone
and run from the cops?
Dutch Courage
>On 02 Oct 1999 01:51:29 GMT, hpstr...@aol.com (Bitch Cowerage) wrote:
>
>>>Don't have to feed the asshole during his likely 60 days in jail.
>>
>> A modest proposal from Geno, shoot the poor!
>
>No. Just the scumbags who prey on others. Being poor does not cause
>carjacking,
>the murders/maimings of innocent people, etc. etc.
Oh, huh. So what's your beef about a baloney sandwich? You think he might
acquire a taste for white people?
>
>> I don't think anyone was suggesting he was a nice guy. Still, if you were
>> shot, I'd want your killer brought to justice.
>
>If I were shot during commission of a crime, I'd certainly /expect/ to be on
>the
>reciving end of some justice.
Really? What if that crime was, I dunno, smoking pot or speeding? Shoplifting?
> And Antonio got his.
You know, except he hadn't actually commited a crime when he was shot, and was
in fact trying to climb a fence.
>
>>Only a rat would shoot a guy in the back.
>
>So ... would /you/ wait until he shot you first?
I realize it's safer to shoot people who have both hands busy, but...that's
not how we do it in the US.
> Remember ... The cop, and at
>least one witness, said they thought poor lil' Antonio had pulled a gun.
You know, another cop.
>Cops
>often have to make split-second decisions on these things.
Cops often lie to cover each other, and this guy sure seems to be a loose
trigger. 20 excessive force complaints? wow.
>
>> This cop has caused something like three riots, now.
>
>Riots by whom?
I'm sorry, it wasn't actually this cop. It was the Miami PD in general.
> People following the finger-snaps of people like Sharpton and
>Farrakhan?
Yes, I'm sure that's it. After all, black people have a reasonable expectation
of fair justice, don't they? Just ask one.
> The cop didn't cause any riots. The rioters did. Remember ...
>Officer Mendez' previous shooting incidents were ruled justifiable.
By other cops.
>
>You still haven't told us why you automatically (and automatonically) decided
>that Officer Mendez is a racist. Every time some piece of human detritus gets
>shot in the line of his criminal duty, lots of the fine inner-city preachers
>scream "racist".
Yeah, huh. I wonder why.
> Kinda like Pavlov's dogs (Spot and Rover). Yet, when the
>gangbangers kill each other, by the hundreds and thousands, we hear it's a
>shame. But it's not a Federal case.
Well, that's because murder isn't a Federal crime, as Big will be happy to
explain to you.
>
>>> Our should the expendable officer have waited to be
>>> shot at first?
>>
>> He should've waited until lethal force was reasonable, but it's obvious
>from
>>his record he's not good at that.
>
>After long, painstaking investigations in each case, Officer Mendez' record
>shows that his previous actions were justified.
I'm more curious about the sheer number of them, and the 20 excessive force
complaints.
> Re-read the original Reuters
>article, which you yourself posted. There is nothing to indicate that he's a
>bad
>cop.
Except 20 excessive force complaints and a Federal investigation.
>
>Oh, BTW, not knowing the race of the man's previous (now dead) encounters,
>why
>do you assume he's a racist?
I'm using my Karnac power.
> Been kinda wondering that, and you've ignored
>the
>question more than once, now.
Still, it does seem the MPD is really bad about that sort of thing.
>
>>>>Butler's mother has alleged that the policeman was ``trigger happy,'' and
>>>the minister who gave Butler's eulogy described it as ``cold-blooded
>murder,
>>>hiding behind a badge.''
>>>
>>>So Sharpton's influence can be felt in Miami, now. Sheesh.
>>
>> Is there anything so egregious you won't defend it, Geno?
>
>Absolutely.
Let's see.
> I won't defend those who commit drive-by gang shootings, and
>wound
>or kill innocent people.
Ah, like Antonio Butler? I mean, last time I checked, we were innocent until
proven guilty here in the US of A. Now sure, in China, cops can decide who is
or isn't a scumbag, and "shot while trying to escape" takes the place of a
trial all the time, but I expect a little more.
> I hope the redneck shits will rot in hell (and soon)
>for dragging that fellow to death in Texas. I'd gladly pull the 'recline'
>lever
>on their electric La-Z-Boy. I'm happy that the guy who drove around, randomly
>shooting people of various races in Illinois a few months back, did himself
>in.
>(I only wish he had done so /before/ harming the others.) And violent crimes
>such as carjackings are committed strictly out of greed, not need. Those
>perpetrators should be eliminated.
I suppose. But after, and only after, the fair application of due process.
>
>This is not an exhaustive list, but I have a life outside of Usenet. (In
>fact, I
>have to get ready for work. You've heard of 'work', right Doofuz?)
Geno, I get paid to sleep and read.
>
>> Oh, he stole a car. Well, that sure merits a death penalty, especially from
>a
>>cop who say Dirty Harry one too many times.
>
>Not normally
Okay. Actually, I dont even know how well established it is he did that.
>. But again, carjackings are -- more often than not -- performed
>under violence, or the threat of same. It's an egregious act, and Officer
>Mendez
>(and at least one witness) said poor little Antonio seemed to be going for a
>weapon as he ran.
Can you get a gun out while you climb a fence?
>The moral: Don't run from cops who think you may have done
>something really bad. And don't pull out that cell-phone (or your baby
>brother's
>model plane) from your waistband and aim it at the cops who are chasing you.
Were going to be keeping an eye on this one.
>>>Because he's a Hispanic, he's automatically guilty of murdering a poor
>>>innocent carjacker?
>>
>>cops lie to cover each other.
>
>That's not what's happened in a couple of big New York cases recently. (The
>innocent African guy who was riddled with bullets in the lobby of his
>building,
>and the black man who was sodomized while in holding for a minor infraction.)
Wow. Man. And what has happened to those cops who did those terrible things,
further eroding the faith black people have in their ability to recieve justice
from white people?
>> The cop is a loose cannon, a menace to society. I notice you clipped the
>part
>> about his excessive force complaints.
>
>Because the article didn't mention that the complaints were justified.
If 20 people tell me I'm drunk, I go lay down.
>>on what do you base your claim that the
>>>officer is a racist? (Or for that matter, that Scott is?)
>>
>> Well, come on, do you read the things Scott writes?
>
>Yup. He has come out strongly against true racists.
He also likes to use words like "towel head" and defends profiling
>
>>> I don't know what the perp's racial background was. It doesn't
>>> matter. It's immaterial.
>>
>> Right; that just adds to what a creep Menendez is.
>
>Which one -- Lyle or Eric?
Jaun's the same as another.
Dutch Courage
>>"Bob Ward" rcw...@gte.net writes:
>>I've never had any occasion to run from a cop, having committed a
>>crime or not.
>>
>On 02 Oct 1999 05:31:36 GMT, hpstr...@aol.commissar (Dutch Courage) wrote:
>
>> Hmmm. Yeah, well, that's a class difference at work. How to manipulate the
>>system. Must be part of why some of us think of traffic stops as something
>you
>>sit in your car during.
>
>Well, if I haven't stolen the car, and if I don't have drugs or alcohol in
>the
>glove box (even someone else's, which is always the case, right?) ... I don't
>have anything to worry about, unless I was going 70 in a 50 zone.
Even then. I bet I can get the drugs excluded, or count on a soft sentence.
Want to compare what the average black convicted of a drug crime gets to what
happens to the average white guy?
>
>>If you're shot while fleeing, that cop fucked up. Cops who fuck up too bad
>or
>>too often are a menace to society, as sure as car jackers. Maybe worse.
>
>Again ... Would you wait until you have a bullet in your groin before you
>shoot?
>Hell no.
What we have here is a guy driving a stolen car. We don't know that the guy
was the thief. All we know is he was driving a stolen car. He might just be
some guy. Maybe his friend lent it to him, who knows? Then, while fleeing, he
looks like he's reaching for a gun. Read that again. Looks like. more
accurately, Officer Cowboy thinks he looks like he's reaching for a gun, so he
blasts him. Seven times. Wow. Good shootin', Tex. Now, black people in Miami,
they don't trust cops. Why is that?
>
>> Is the perp a creep? Prolly. Should cops use lethal force in potentially
>>lethal situations? Sure, you bet. Was this one? I dunno, can you get a gun
>out
>>when you're climbing a fence? Me, I'd need both hands, how about you? Does
>>power come with responsibility and review? You bet your ass, kid.
>
>Of course.
Thanks, Geno. All we needed to hear from you.
Dutch Courage
>Dutch Courage <hpstr...@aol.commissar> wrote in message
>news:19991002013136...@ng-cc1.aol.com...
>> "Bob Ward" rcw...@gte.net writes:
>> >
>> >I dunno... I've never had any occasion to run from a cop, having
>committed a
>> >crime or not.
>>
>> Hmmm. Yeah, well, that's a class difference at work. How to manipulate
>the
>> system. Must be part of why some of us think of traffic stops as something
>you
>> sit in your car during.
>
>
>>
>> > Seems like doing so might contribute to the outcome, somehow.
>>
>> If you're shot while fleeing, that cop fucked up. Cops who fuck up too bad
>or
>> too often are a menace to society, as sure as car jackers. Maybe worse.
>
>If you're fleeing from the cops, YOU'VE fucked up. You buy a ticket for the
>dance, it doesn't seem that you should be complaining about the music.
>
>I don't see where you get the idea that not fleeing from the police is a
>CLASS difference.
Hmmm. I guess because rich people figure they can go down town, get bailed
out, and then pay a lawyer enough money to make it all go away.
>.. or are you saying that, as a minority, you have the
>right to run from the police with impunity?
Are you saying that, as a cop, you have the right to shoot anyone you want to
because it's easier than chasing them up a flight of stairs?
Dutch Courage
>Dutch Cowardice wrote:
>
>> Bob Blaylock bob-blayl...@usa.net
>>
>> > Of course there are the few idiots who subscribe to
>> >Neo-Nazi or KKK or similar varieties of whites
>> >upremacism, but these are few, and insignificant
>> >in influence to the real racists, who are the ones
>> >demanding, and getting, special treatment in for
>> >their preferred races in the form of "Affirmative Action",
>> >quotas in hiring or college admissions, and other special
>> >priveleges granted only members of various minority
>> >groups.
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> I mean, really, man, do you think racism is limited to KKK types?
>
> I shall let this exchange stand as a monument to the ultimate ability to
>miss
>an obvious point.
I shall let everyone get another look at it as a tribute to a snively white
guy named Bob who can't get a break on an even playing field.
Dutch Courage
>On 02 Oct 1999 17:03:42 GMT, hpstr...@aol.commissar (Dutch Courage) wrote:
>
>>Afirmative Action doesn't
>>limit the opportunity of all but the laziest and least qualified white
>people.
>>
>> Of course, those are usually the ones I notice complaining about it.
>
>Because white males are usually the victims of it.
Well, just the really slow stupid ones.
>But "affirmative action" is an ugly beast. In many many cases, it has forced
>employers to hire based /solely/ on the applicant's race.
>
>In broadcasting, f'rinstance, since radio and TV stations are licensed by the
>government, a less-qualified applicant of color must very often be hired over
>a
>gifted, more-experienced colorless person.
Colorless? Whatever you meant by that, I guess it explains all of the black
characters on Must See TV, say, or all the black people who anchor the network
news casts. Peter Jenkins, Tom Bro-kaw, and LaVell Rather.
>
>Hiring should be color-blind.
Too bad it can't be. Now, do you want to reward lazy, stupid white people, or
up and coming blacks?
>Absolutely.
Sure, if it could.
Dutch Courage
>On 02 Oct 1999 17:28:35 GMT, hpstr...@aol.com (Lacks Courage) wrote:
>
>> You know, the black community of Miami. Sounds like they are pretty upset,
>and
>>have been pretty upset over this sort of thing for quite some time. I
>wonder,
>>despite what Irish and Geno and Scott and not-Bob say (The cry "no racism,
>boy"
>>mob, who coincidentally are all white) why residents of large cities do not
>>expect justice from the cops, why they figure it's "cold blooded murder
>hiding
>>behind a badge." When white people get shot by cops, do white people say "No
>>Justice, No Peace" and go burn something down?
>
>No, because we figger that our scumbags probably deserve what they get.
Let's all just savor Geno showing us his true colors, or lack thereof.
> And
>it
>/does/ happen. Plenty. Hey, white criminals get shot by black cops on
>occasion.
>And our area preachers don't get their shorts in a spin over it.
I see the NAACP has denounced the shooting. Tell me again why black people do
not expect justice from the police.
Dutch Courage
>>>Now that I'm a "devil", do you think Prestonwood Baptist will still let me
>>>teach Sunday School?
>>
>> Oh, sure. Look at all the pictures of J the C you've got there; is he a
>>white guy?
>
>Hmmmm... well, He's jewish, so I guess He does fit the "white"category.
Hmmm. I'm looking through my Bible here, lots of fine arts repros of Jesus,
and he looks swedish. Light brown hair, blue eyes...whats up with that?
Especially when the bible says he has feet like bronze and wooly hair?
>Jesus
>wasn't born a jew just to piss you off, George. The facts are the man was of
>jewish descent, so to have a picture of a black or hispanic Jesus on the wall
>would be a tad odd.
Actually, a Hispanic Jesus would be just about right. Go find yourself a
Semite; does he look more like a Puerto Rican, an Irishman, or a black guy?
> God Himself, on the other hand, is not a "color" or
>"race".
How come, then, you made a Swede out of him?
Bob Blaylock
> rad...@bigfoot.commmmmmmm writes:
>
> >Well, if I haven't stolen the car, and if I don't have drugs or alcohol in
> >the
> >glove box (even someone else's, which is always the case, right?) ... I don't
> >have anything to worry about, unless I was going 70 in a 50 zone.
>
> Even then. I bet I can get the drugs excluded, or count on a soft sentence.
> Want to compare what the average black convicted of a drug crime gets to what
> happens to the average white guy?
The average white guy doesn't commit drug crimes; neither, as far as I know,
does the average black guy.
AlanKngsly
mrmrs...@aol.com.goaway (MrMrsIrish) writes:
>Nope, it wouldn't be okay with me. In fact, in my terrible grief, I would
>probably shake my fist at the cop, shake my fist at society, and shake my
>fist
>at God. I would cry and pull out my hair and gnash my teeth and scream at
>the
>world because that would be easier than looking at myself and wondering where
>I
>failed in teaching him right and wrong or looking at my dead son and blaming
>him for his own actions. Understandable, totally expected.... but still
>wrong.
(1) Are you IrishTxLdy?
(2) If so, whatcha been up to--the web board get too boring for ya?
(3) Are you really saying the cops should be able to shoot someone just for
running away from them?
Alan
AlanKngsly
writes:
>Thousands of excessive force claims are filed every year. Most of them are
>spurious, filed by scumbags (friends of yours?) who want to cause as much
>hassle
>to the cops and backlog to the system as possible. But those claims are still
>investigated carefully. Some are found to have grounds, and the cops at fault
>generally suffer the consequences of their actions.
Oh, this is crap. Most of the time when cops get rough with somebody, the
victim doesn't ever say boo about it. And it is to laugh, to imagine that if
cops beat someone up with no witnesses, that the victim could make an excessive
force complaint stick. How do you think Rodney King's complaint would have
gone, for instance, had there been no videotape (or especially if there were no
witnesses)?
Alan
Dutch Courage
>
>>>This is not an exhaustive list, but I have a life outside of Usenet. (In
>>>fact, I
>>>have to get ready for work. You've heard of 'work', right Doofuz?)
>>
>> Geno, I get paid to sleep and read.
>>
>
>I have to admit, George... I'm curious. How on earth did you work that deal
>out?
I found a job where I'm unsupervised throughout the day, I don't have much in
the way of daily tasks, and what little I do have to do can be done quite half
assedly. Thus, everything can be done after another chapter, a nap, while drunk
or high, or not at all.
I'm the superintendent at a decrepit office building, and I couldn't be
happier. Well, I could, but it would require a carful of hookers and a big pile
of blow.
Dutch "I'll get right on that" Courage, scourge of AFCA
Dutch Courage
>>rad...@bigfoot.commmmmmmm writes:
>>
>>>If I were shot during commission of a crime, I'd certainly /expect/ to be
>on
>>>the reciving end of some justice...Antonio got his.
>
>>>On 02 Oct 1999 01:51:29 GMT, hpstr...@aol.com (Bitch Cowerage) wrote:>>
>
>> You know, except he hadn't actually commited a crime when he was shot, and
>was
>>in fact trying to climb a fence.
>
>You conveniently forgot about the 'jacked car he had been driving.
I don't know that he had commited a crime to get it. So far what he did was
drive a stolen car, and run from a cop. Sure don't sound like capital crimes to
me.
>
>> I realize it's safer to shoot people who have both hands busy, but...that's
>>not how we do it in the US.
>
>You're safe, then. You only ever have /one/ hand busy.
I tie the other behind my back to make it fair for you, Geno.
>
>> Cops often lie to cover each other, and this guy sure seems to be a loose
>>trigger. 20 excessive force complaints? wow.
>
>Hey, you've had a lot more complaints than that, right here on this
>newsgroup.
Right; angry white people and dummies of all colors and I don't get along.
What this has to do with anything, I have no idea.
>Does taht mean you're stark, raving, full-blown batshit crazy?
You bet your ass I am, Geno. Don't mess with me.
>
>>> The cop didn't cause any riots. The rioters did. Remember ...
>>>Officer Mendez' previous shooting incidents were ruled justifiable.
>>
>> By other cops.
>
>Usually, an investigative board consists of some cops, and some citizens.
Well, this one consists of the FBI and the justice department, let's see how
it goes. Frankly, I am not sure how much I trust citizens; I see citizens
acquited those Rodney King cops.
>Even
>if it /were/ made up of cops ... you don't have a leg to stand on when it
>comes
>to painting them all with one brush.
I'm sure there's one or two good ones out there.
>
>>>>> Our should the expendable officer have waited to be
>>>>> shot at first?
>>>>
>>>> He should've waited until lethal force was reasonable, but it's obvious
>>>from his record he's not good at that.
>
>All I know of his record is, his other shootings were justifiable.
Well...you know, some other cops and apparently some white people thought so,
yeah.
>
>>> Re-read the original Reuters
>>>article, which you yourself posted. There is nothing to indicate that he's
>a
>>>bad cop.
>>
>> Except 20 excessive force complaints and a Federal investigation.
>
>Which turned up ... nothing.
Whoops! No, it's just now starting, at the behest of a congress woman who
thinks the Miami PD might be a little trigger happy when it comes to blacks.. I
see the NAACP denounced the shooting, too.. Tell me, Geno, why don't black
people expect justice from the police?
Dutch Courage
>>"Bob Ward" rcw...@gte.net writes:
>>
>>>I've never had any occasion to run from a cop, having committed a
>>>crime or not...I don't see where you get the idea that not fleeing from
>>>the police is a CLASS difference.
>>
>On 03 Oct 1999 08:16:31 GMT, hpstr...@aol.com (Dork Courage) wrote:
>
>>> Hmmm. I guess because rich people figure they can go down town, get bailed
>>out, and then pay a lawyer enough money to make it all go away.
>
>Ah, I see.
No, you really don't.
> Now, all of a sudden, minority members flee because they suddenly
>realize they can't afford the bail.
They flee because they have no reasonable expectation of justice, if not the
ability to manipulate the system to their advantage. People like Juan Menendez
don't help.
>
>I understand just fine, now. Perfectly.
I'm afraid you don't, but whatever. I'm sure you've never been hassled by
cops, so why would you?
Why does an entire community feel that way, Geno? Answer me that, since that's
the real issue here. Why don't black people trust cops or courts?
>
>
>-- Geno
Dutch Courage
>Why thank you for asking, Alan!
>
>(1) Yes, I am the poster previously known as "IrishTxLdy". The husband and
>I
>decided to go down to one screenname for the two of us.
>
>(2) Yes, actually, the web board puts me right to sleep. I've never even
>posted to it, and I don't even bother reading it anymore. I've been a busy
>lady, but since I don't do much tutoring during Fall Break I've had some time
>on my hands. (Lucky for you all, right? ha ha)
>
>(3) As I have clearly stated ad nauseum, I think any police officer has the
>right to protect himself should he feel threatened.
Hmmm, see, I don't. I mean, what's "feel threatened"? A bad look? a big scary
guy? A little kid with a toy gun? Someone running away? A defendant who's
already cuffed and laying on the ground like King?
>I think Mr. Butler made a move that Mr. Mendez perceived as threatening, and
>I
>think Mr. Mendez protected himself.
That's because you're white, Julie. You trust cops; they work for you.
>Armchair quarterbacking.... its a lot easier than actually doing the job. I
>suspect that if any of Mr. Mendez's detractors took on the responsibility of
>a
>gun and a badge and combined that with a dark alley and some criminal
>suspects,
>we'd end up with a lot of dead alley cats, trash cans, and perhaps even a
>suspect or three.
Not me! I'd never get out of the car.
Dutch Courage
>On 03 Oct 1999 08:13:39 GMT, hpstr...@aol.commissar (Dutch Courage) wrote:
>
>> What we have here is a guy driving a stolen car. We don't know that the guy
>>was the thief. All we know is he was driving a stolen car. He might just be
>>some guy. Maybe his friend lent it to him, who knows? Then, while fleeing,
>he
>>looks like he's reaching for a gun. Read that again. Looks like. more
>>accurately, Officer Cowboy thinks he looks like he's reaching for a gun, so
>he
>>blasts him. Seven times. Wow. Good shootin', Tex. Now, black people in
>Miami,
>>they don't trust cops. Why is that?
>
>If Miami's anything like Chicago, a lot of black people don't trust each
>other,
That's fine. It's also not relevant. I notice you're ducking the issue here,
which is a lot of black people in Miami, and other communities, don't trust
cops. They don't feel they get the same brand of justice white people do. I
notice you and Julie and Bob automatically think "the cop did the right thing.
I know I'd shoot a black guy who looked like he might be going for a weapon"
because no cop, you two think, could ever be trigger happy. Why is that? are
they all just secretly crooks, black people? Are they irrational? Are they all
zombies who are manipulated by race baiting preachers?
>>>>can you get a gun out when you're climbing a fence? Me, I'd need both
>>>>hands, how about you?
>
>You'd need both hands (and a magnifying glass) to locate your testicles. Most
>people, I'd guess, when climbing a fence, could easily pause at the top and
>go
>for their gun. Wouldn't be the first time someone's fired while climbing.
I see. So not only are you an expert on "what black people are justified in
feeling miffed about" you're now an expert on "shooting a gun at the top of a
fence after running from a police officer." Got it.
Oh, turns out the other three people Officer Cowboy shot were Hispanic. Still,
there is a perception in the black community in Miami the cops aren't their
friends; why is that?
mlo...@lobo.civetsystems.com
> >> God Himself, on the other hand, is not a "color" or
> >> "race".
> >
> >Or a "sex", of course.
>
> Oh, I agree. I just grew up knowing God as "the Father" and He is referred to
> as "Him" in the Bible, so speaking of God in the masculine is just natural to
> me, at least. I would feel pretty blasphemous calling the Creator "It".
Just a feeling. By English grammar, the Creator of the Universe is
called It.
> I can testify that George is not only a white guy, but he's a relatively cute
> white guy! He's no Mr. Irish, he's kinda scruffy lookin', but hey... George
> isn't at all hard on the eyes. Take a look for yourself!
I'm stunned. He's got such a big chip on his shoulder, I figured he
was, I don't know, something visibly unacceptable.
M.
Bob Ward
Dutch Courage <hpstr...@aol.commissar> wrote in message
You have absolutely no idea what I think, so you don't need to try to speak
for me in this, or any other matter. You are an obvious troll, and it's a
waste of time to try to discuss anything with you.
Dutch Courage
Well, speak up, kiddo. Lay it on me, clue me in. What's the buzz, man, tell me
what's a happening? Why don't black people trust cops?
> You are an obvious troll,
Nah, I just like to let the air out of windbags, and AFCA has needed an enema
like you wouldn't believe for I dunno how long. Pretty strange when you think
about what it's supposed to be about, but that's why I'm here.
>and it's a
>waste of time to try to discuss anything with you.
Right; cause i'm smarter than you, and better informed.
Hey, jackass! If I can prove that, without affirmative action, less qualified
whites get hired over more qualified white people, would that change your mind?
Prolly not, but the score keepers will award me another one...well, how about
it? Wanna match wits with Dutch, or do I put another notch in my belt?
Dutch Courage
>On 03 Oct 1999 15:49:27 GMT, hpstr...@aol.commissar (Dutch Courage) wrote:
>
>>a lot of black people in Miami, and other communities, don't trust
>>cops. They don't feel they get the same brand of justice white people do. I
>>notice you and Julie and Bob automatically think "the cop did the right
>thing.
>>I know I'd shoot a black guy who looked like he might be going for a weapon"
>>because no cop, you two think, could ever be trigger happy.
>
>I'd shoot a white guy, or a chartreuse guy, too, if I thought he was trying
>to
>get me first.
How nice. I bet you'd have a little affirmative action when it comes to
shooting, since you sound like the kind of white guy who's flat out afraid of
black people.
>>Why is that? are
>>they all just secretly crooks, black people? Are they irrational? Are they
>all
>>zombies who are manipulated by race baiting preachers?
>
>No, but according to you, they all think alike. See below.
That's cute, Geno. So, answer the question, why are black people suspicious of
cops?
Also, do you think unqualified white people are hired in large numbers when
more qualified black applicants exist for any given position? Wanna bet me 50
bucks?
You can keep calling me names, but all you're proving is you're not
particularly good at calling names. So, Geno, you going to respond to the
questions, or what?
Dutch Courage
>> mrmrs...@aol.com.goaway (MrMrsIrish) writes:
>
>>>Armchair quarterbacking.... its a lot easier than actually doing the job.
>I
>>>suspect that if any of Mr. Mendez's detractors took on the responsibility
>of
>>>a gun and a badge and combined that with a dark alley and some criminal
>>>suspects, we'd end up with a lot of dead alley cats, trash cans, and
>perhaps
>>>even a suspect or three.
>>
>On 03 Oct 1999 15:40:16 GMT, hpstr...@aol.com (Dud Cowering) wrote:
>
>> Not me! I'd never get out of the car.
>
>Hence your nickname, Doofus Coward.
Whatever, chump. Time to put some work in, some research, some sociology. You
got answers?
>
>-- Geno
Dutch Courage
>On 03 Oct 1999 08:18:28 GMT, hpstr...@aol.com (Thoe Towne Sheep-Humper
>Foole)
>wrote:
Thoe?
>
>> I shall let everyone get another look at it as a tribute to a snively white
>>guy named Bob who can't get a break on an even playing field.
>
>Hey Doofus-Phuck,
Hey is for horses, ass bite.
>
>To re-state what should be obvious ... If someone gets the job /solely/
>because
>of race ... whether the applicant is a white male and the boss is prejudiced,
>or
>the applicant is not (so-called "affirmative action") ... then the playing
>field
>is not level.
See, but I figure the average applicant really is qualified for the average
job, and it's just lazy stupid white people like Bob looking out for other lazy
stupid white people like you that keeps them from getting hired at the
appropriate level. I've got numbers to back it up, what do you have? Shit? I
thought so.
So, let's see...adding to the list of black leaders you like to, uh, denigrate
(eee!) we've got Farrakhan, whom I'm sure you've never heard speak once in your
life, Sharpton, who is a preacher, so there you go, and Jackson. Wanna tell us
about the NAACP? I bet you don't dig them, either.
>
>All so-called "affirmative action" does is lower standards so that less-
>talented, less-qualified individuals can advance. Here in Chicago, early-70s,
>someone noticed there weren't enough Af-Ams on the high school honor rolls.
>They
>cried "racism", and the ultimate solution was to lower the standards for
>honor
>roll inclusion. Who did that help? (BTW, the Af-Ams at my school who /were/
>on
>the honor roll already, deserved to be there. They worked hard and studied
>hard.)
A credit to their race, I am sure.
>
>PS: I am all for giving qualified people a chance, regardless of their race.
Oh, you are not.
Dutch Courage
>In article <3803a331....@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
>rad...@bigfoot.commmmmmmm says...
>
>> > I'm the superintendent at a decrepit office building, and I couldn't be
>> >happier. Well, I could, but it would require a carful of hookers and a big
>pile
>> >of blow.
>
>> And we're supposed to believe and respect this character? Damn!
>
>Well, only if you generally shower respect on what the janitor has to say
>about politics, law, and government...
As opposed to what? Some goony goo goo temps agency rejects, an ex-cop, a
couple of code monkeys.
Hell, I notice none of you pay attention to what an economist and and a few
lawyers think, so why are you more qualified, huh?
>
>PS: I am loving this thread.
And yet, the gutless bag of wind hides behind his killfile.
> Not only do we find out that Hyprfuknuts
>is just a play-African,
Huh. I guess only black people believe in racism, or like James Brown. Gotcha
> we discover that his "profession" is pushin'
>broom.
Nah, it's sleeping and reading. Meanwhile, what do you do that makes you an
expert on, well, anything you hold forth on?
WayCool Reverend
dragging that fellow to death in Texas. I'd gladly pull the 'recline'
lever on their electric La-Z-Boy. "
Hey! This is Texas! We don't use no electric chair stuff! We're a
modern death peanalty state! We use lethal injection!
The Way Cool Reverend ULC! who still thinks crucifixion would be a good
way to end prison overcrowding.
http://community.webtv.net/TyrC/LasVegapalooza
WayCool Reverend
when the bible says he has feet like bronze and wooly hair?"
My reply, No it doesn't! It says that his HEAD AND HAIR WAS A WHITE
AS WOOL OR SNOW! It also says his feet burned like brass AS IF IT
BURNED IN A FURNACE.
The bible also says that Jesus had a double edged sword shooting out of
his mouth.
This don't sould like any man I've seen. It sounds like a vision at best
and bullshit a worst.
In the Old Testament the bible also has Moses and his band of thugs
killing over a million blacks (men, women, and children) at one time
merely because these people were in Moses and his killer bands way.
Trust me, I'm a Reverend. I would discuss this longer but right now I
must go to a porno picture group and uh lay hands.
The Way Holy Reverend ULC!!!
http://community.webtv.net/TyrC/LasVegapalooza
Dutch Courage
>The bible also says that Jesus had a double edged sword shooting out of
>his mouth.
Oh, well, maybe he was a white guy.
Remember, if you're walking down the street in a bad neighborhood, and you see
two white guys coming up behind you, be sure to guard your freedom, heritage,
or land.
Bob Blaylock
> I found a job where I'm unsupervised throughout the day, I don't have much in
> the way of daily tasks, and what little I do have to do can be done quite half
> assedly. Thus, everything can be done after another chapter, a nap, while drunk
> or high, or not at all.
Sounds like the perfect job for you. You sound like the perfect person for the
job. You must be so proud.
My employer, the vicious tyrant that he is, expects me to actually do useful
things most of the time, and to do them well, to earn my pay.
Bob Blaylock
> See, but I figure the average applicant really is qualified for the average
> job, and it's just lazy stupid white people like Bob looking out for other lazy
> stupid white people like you that keeps them from getting hired at the
> appropriate level.
After what you have just admitted about your own employment situation, I hardly
think you can expect anyone to take you seriously in calling people like me "lazy
and stupid". You probably aren't capable of understanding this, but most
employers, in order to justify the cost of hiring and paying their workers, need
to have useful work done by these workers. I've held the same job, now, for
thirteen and a half years. I've not held this job by spending most of my time
there reading and sleeping, and making only a half-assed effort at what small bits
of useful work I have deigned to attempt. Had I taken this approach to my job, I
am sure this job would have been held by some other person for the last thirteen
years, my boss having tolerated my "Dutch Cowardice"-like job performance for not
very long at all.
I hope it will be long remembered, as anyone reads your messages, that you are a
creature who takes pride in working at a job where he mostly goofs off, and does
only a half-assed job of what few useful tasks he does perform. And you think
that a person like me, who takes pride in working at a real job, and in doing the
best that he can with every task this job puts before him, can fairly be described
as "lazy and stupid".
Shawn Wilson
<mlo...@lobo.civetsystems.com> wrote in message
news:m3so3sb...@zorro.civet...
> > Oh, I agree. I just grew up knowing God as "the Father" and He is
referred to
> > as "Him" in the Bible, so speaking of God in the masculine is just
natural to
> > me, at least. I would feel pretty blasphemous calling the Creator "It".
>
> Just a feeling. By English grammar, the Creator of the Universe is
> called It.
No, by English grammar the third person singular pronoun for a being (as
opposed to object) of indeterminate gender is 'he'.
John Gilmer
Neil <new...@garnet.acns.fsu.edu> wrote in message
news:37F53591...@garnet.acns.fsu.edu...
>
>
> Scratchie wrote:
> >
> > rad...@bigfoot.commmmmmmm wrote:
> > : On 01 Oct 1999 13:01:40 GMT, hpstr...@aol.commissar (Dutch Courage)
wrote:
> >
> > :>MIAMI, (Reuters) - The Justice Department and the FBI are
investigating the
> > :>fatal shooting of an unarmed carjacking suspect by a Miami policeman
who has
> > :>killed three other suspects in the line of duty, a federal official
said
> > :>Thursday.
>
>
> According to the witnesses the suspect appeared to reach for
> something when he was shot.
Yep! That's the standard story when cops shot someone. If they
"accidentally" run in so someone the standard story is that they saw a
"large, white dog!"
Dutch Courage
>Dutch Cowardice wrote:
>
>> I found a job where I'm unsupervised throughout the day, I don't have much
>in
>> the way of daily tasks, and what little I do have to do can be done quite
>half
>> assedly. Thus, everything can be done after another chapter, a nap, while
>drunk
>> or high, or not at all.
>
> Sounds like the perfect job for you.
Mmmm, Yeah, I'm not big on schedules.
> You sound like the perfect person for
>the
>job. You must be so proud.
>
> My employer, the vicious tyrant that he is, expects me to actually do
>useful
>things most of the time, and to do them well, to earn my pay.
>
Well, he can't expect too much from you, or he'd have hired someone else.
Dutch Courage
>Dutch Cowardice wrote:
>
>> See, but I figure the average applicant really is qualified for the average
>> job, and it's just lazy stupid white people like Bob looking out for other
>lazy
>> stupid white people like you that keeps them from getting hired at the
>> appropriate level.
>
> After what you have just admitted about your own employment situation, I
>hardly
>think you can expect anyone to take you seriously in calling people like me
>"lazy
>and stupid".
Okay, how about just "stupid"?
>You probably aren't capable of understanding this, but most
>employers, in order to justify the cost of hiring and paying their workers,
>need
>to have useful work done by these workers.
And yet, GM stays in business, so what's up with that?
> I've held the same job, now, for
>thirteen and a half years. I've not held this job by spending most of my
>time
>there reading and sleeping, and making only a half-assed effort at what small
>bits
>of useful work I have deigned to attempt.
See, maybe you shouldve looked for a better job.
> Had I taken this approach to my
>job, I
>am sure this job would have been held by some other person for the last
>thirteen
>years, my boss having tolerated my "Dutch Cowardice"-like job performance for
>not
>very long at all.
Hey, I'm smarter than you are, what can I say?
> I hope it will be long remembered, as anyone reads your messages, that you
>are a
>creature who takes pride in working at a job where he mostly goofs off, and
>does
>only a half-assed job of what few useful tasks he does perform.
"Dutch came and went as he pleased, and at his own leisure."
> And you
>think
>that a person like me, who takes pride in working at a real job, and in doing
>the
>best that he can with every task this job puts before him, can fairly be
>described
>as "lazy and stupid".
Well, stupid, anyway. I'm thinking of diversifying into sports book and drug
dealing, though.
Neil
Hey it was two independent witnesses. Both watched the whole
thing unfold. I'm just quoting the local
paper on this one.
ra...@westnet.poe.com
> In article <37fc9738....@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, rad...@bigfoot.commmmmmmm
>>Thousands of excessive force claims are filed every year. Most of them are
>>spurious, filed by scumbags (friends of yours?) who want to cause as much
> Oh, this is crap. Most of the time when cops get rough with somebody, the
> victim doesn't ever say boo about it. And it is to laugh, to imagine that if
You're both right! Congratualtions. Most of the excessive force
complaints are indeed spurius (IMO), because said scumbag resisted and
needed that much force and most of the actual use of excessive force go
unreported, because those folks have had thier 'faith' in the system
violated and consider themselves lucky to have gotten of with what they
did.
Neither of your statements are mutually exclusive, and (imo) reflect the
actual picture, except that you imply that A) complaints are always
spurious (they aren't always) and legit complaints go unpunished (they
don't always).
> force complaint stick. How do you think Rodney King's complaint would have
> gone, for instance, had there been no videotape (or especially if there were no
> witnesses)?
Rodney King was not a victim of EF. He just had his rights violated.
(and what a BS judgement that was)
John
--
Remove the dead poet to e-mail, tho CC'd posts are unwelcome.
Ask me about joining the NRA.
mlo...@lobo.civetsystems.com
> <mlo...@lobo.civetsystems.com> wrote in message
> news:m3so3sb...@zorro.civet...
> > Just a feeling. By English grammar, the Creator of the Universe is
> > called It.
> No, by English grammar the third person singular pronoun for a being (as
> opposed to object) of indeterminate gender is 'he'.
What indeterminate? Are you saying God is actually either a woman or
a man, but we don't know which? Does S/He become more wrathful for a
few days each month? Or watch a lot of football and refuse to ask
directions on the road?
Lot's of "beings" lack sex: various micro-organisms, some plants,
unlucky computer-science majors. Each is referred to individually as
It.
M.
Bob Ward
<rad...@bigfoot.commmmmmmm> wrote in message
news:37fd98ef....@nntp.ix.netcom.com...
> On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:04:44 -0400, "John Gilmer" <gil...@crosslink.net>
wrote:
>
>
> >Yep! That's the standard story when cops shot someone. If they
> >"accidentally" run in so someone the standard story is that they saw a
> >"large, white dog!"
>
>
Not likely...
> -- Geno
>
Alan Kingsley
rad...@bigfoot.commmmmmmm wrote in message
<37fd9191....@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...
>On 03 Oct 1999 09:51:06 GMT, alank...@aol.com (AlanKngsly) wrote:
>
>>How do you think Rodney King's complaint would have
>>gone, for instance, had there been no videotape (or especially if there
were no
>>witnesses)?
>
Oh, this is rich. How did I know someone was going to pull this crap? Yes,
I've seen and heard both. I never claimed that King was a saint--quite the
contrary, he appears to be a criminal, at least of the minor variety. But I
don't care if you're Rodney King or a mass murderer; even if you led them on
a chase and were generally a pain in the ass, you are supposed to have the
right to be arrested without the cops getting in a circle around you and
taking their frustrations out on you with billy clubs.
>Yes, those cops were full of adrenalin after the chase. They went too far.
But
>remember -- Rodney lived, and was not permanently injured. Many victims of
the
>ensuing riots died; others suffered serious lasting injury.
Oh, and that's King's fault?
I just wish they would have taken that riot energy--which I totally
understand and sympathize with--and headed for somewhere more suitable to
burn, like Beverly Hills or the suburb the jury was from. Then we might
have a Kenyan-style Mau Mau.
>In case I forgot to mention this in an earlier post ... I got a chuckle out
of
>an Af-Am comic on TV, soon after those riots. Can't remember his name. But
>during his bit, he made the "power-to-the-people" fist, saying "This is for
>Rodney King ... These here VCRs are for me!"
>
>Sums up the whole reaction to the verdicts pretty well.
Boy, you are a piece of work, aren't you? I don't believe in the death
penalty even for murderers, but I'm just glad I don't have a button within
reach marked "Activate Redneck/Angry White Man Destruct Sequence"....
Alan
Alan Kingsley
>>(1) Are you IrishTxLdy?
>>
>>(2) If so, whatcha been up to--the web board get too boring for ya?
>>
>>(3) Are you really saying the cops should be able to shoot someone just
for
>>running away from them?
>>
>>Alan
>
>
>Why thank you for asking, Alan!
Yer welcome.
>(1) Yes, I am the poster previously known as "IrishTxLdy". The husband
and I
>decided to go down to one screenname for the two of us.
Kids get the other four? With 5.0, ya know, you'll get two more screen
names....
>(3) As I have clearly stated ad nauseum, I think any police officer has
the
>right to protect himself should he feel threatened.
So it's up to the cop? He doesn't have to use good judgment, to follow some
kind of rules? How many times was this kid shot again? What about the
Diallo guy in Brooklyn? Were the cops right to shoot him, Irish?
And another note: if we had strong gun control like some other advanced
countries (which also just coincidentally have national health insurance),
cops wouldn't need to think every time someone moved their hands weird they
were pulling a gun. If no one had guns, the cops would have no excuse to
shoot most of the time, and in fact wouldn't generally need guns themselves.
Alan
Alan Kingsley
Scott K. Stafford wrote in message ...
>PS: I am loving this thread. Not only do we find out that Hyprfuknuts
>is just a play-African, we discover that his "profession" is pushin'
>broom.
What ever made you think he was any kind of African, play or otherwise?
Alan
Alan Kingsley
Scott K. Stafford wrote in message ...
>- but I make exceptions for janitors who set a giant chip on their
>shoulder regarding my former profession, and seem to feel qualified
>(endlessly) to make judgements about it.
That's mighty white of you, Scott.
>Simply put, the quality of decision making in the janitorial field is not
>required to be all that high - nor is the pressure involved in deciding
>the relevant questions ("Should I swamp out the toilets, or take out the
>trash first?") generally very intense - so I'm not perfectly certain
>that a broom-pusher is entirely qualified to make judgements about Sgt.
>Mendez and his decision to use deadly force on Mr. Butler.
Wow, Scott, you managed to insult an entire profession, and bedrock
principles of democracy, all in a few lines.
Too bad for you and other cops that the people who actually do make those
judgments in the end (voters and jury members) are as likely to be janitors
as anything else. The voters just need to take the crucial step of stopping
the practice of letting cops settle more everyday complaints (excessive
force, violation of civil liberties) among themselves.
Alan
Alan Kingsley
Scott K. Stafford wrote in message ...
>
>> note: if we had strong gun control like some other advanced
>> countries (which also just coincidentally have national health
insurance),
>> cops wouldn't need to think every time someone moved their hands weird
they
>> were pulling a gun. If no one had guns, the cops would have no excuse to
>> shoot most of the time, and in fact wouldn't generally need guns
themselves.
>
>always been a shining example of good citizenship...
Need I point out once again that it would take time to get rid of the guns?
But I'd say that an automatic life term for possession of a gun--unless the
offender can narc out some gun suppliers--would work well....
Alan
ra...@westnet.poe.com
> And another note: if we had strong gun control like some other advanced
> countries (which also just coincidentally have national health insurance),
> cops wouldn't need to think every time someone moved their hands weird they
> were pulling a gun. If no one had guns, the cops would have no excuse to
> shoot most of the time, and in fact wouldn't generally need guns themselves.
Silly Alan, police in GB are taking to going armed More often, not less.
Do you know why? Because they are expecting to see more gun weilding
criminals, not fewer.
BTW, I read in a recent issue of The Economist that Britan's poverty rate
is twise the US level (~20% as comparted the US's ~10%). Ah, the benefits
of being in an "advanced" country!
ra...@westnet.poe.com
> Scott K. Stafford wrote in message ...
>>is just a play-African, we discover that his "profession" is pushin'
>>broom.
> What ever made you think he was any kind of African, play or otherwise?
IIRC he claimed it (or someone else did). I recall seeing the reply along
the lines of 'you mean the Hoopset dufus is black?! Man they don;'t need
that kind of bad press!' essentially saying how sad it was for any race to
be saddled with puke like him.
ra...@westnet.poe.com
> But I
> don't care if you're Rodney King or a mass murderer; even if you led them on
> a chase and were generally a pain in the ass, you are supposed to have the
> right to be arrested without the cops getting in a circle around you and
> taking their frustrations out on you with billy clubs.
A jury veiwed the tape and decide that they weren't just taking out thier
frustrations, so your evaluation is flawed.
It's really simple: an arrest of a resisting subject is an ugly thing.
Any right minded person is going to be shocked and offended by it, just as
any right inded person is going to be shocked and offended by the
intrusion on a persons body during a life-saving surgury. But it does not
change the fact that laws must be enforced.
Colin Rosenthal
>Alan Kingsley <Al...@Kingsley.com> wrote:
>> And another note: if we had strong gun control like some other advanced
>> countries (which also just coincidentally have national health insurance),
>> cops wouldn't need to think every time someone moved their hands weird they
>> were pulling a gun. If no one had guns, the cops would have no excuse to
>> shoot most of the time, and in fact wouldn't generally need guns themselves.
>
>Silly Alan, police in GB are taking to going armed More often, not less.
>Do you know why? Because they are expecting to see more gun weilding
>criminals, not fewer.
>
>BTW, I read in a recent issue of The Economist that Britan's poverty rate
>is twise the US level (~20% as comparted the US's ~10%). Ah, the benefits
>of being in an "advanced" country!
That's after twenty years of Tory government. I thought your sort
_liked_ conservatives, or was Maggie Thatcher too much of a lefty for you?
--
Colin Rosenthal
Dutch Courage
>In article <rvjms1...@corp.supernews.com>, Al...@Kingsley.com says...
>
>> >PS: I am loving this thread. Not only do we find out that Hyprfuknuts
>> >is just a play-African, we discover that his "profession" is pushin'
>> >broom.
>>
>>
>> What ever made you think he was any kind of African, play or otherwise?
>
>Gimme a break.
Thus we see Nell Carter isn't an especially reliable source.
Dutch Courage
>And another note: if we had strong gun control like some other advanced
>countries (which also just coincidentally have national health insurance),
>cops wouldn't need to think every time someone moved their hands weird they
>were pulling a gun. If no one had guns, the cops would have no excuse to
>shoot most of the time, and in fact wouldn't generally need guns themselves.
I find it extraordinarily ironic that the same people who claim a well armed
populace is vital to the security of a free state, in securing the rights of
the people from the government, are also the same ones who would endorse any
excess by the police against those self same people.
Alan Kingsley
Scott K. Stafford wrote in message ...
>
>> >PS: I am loving this thread. Not only do we find out that Hyprfuknuts
>> >is just a play-African, we discover that his "profession" is pushin'
>> >broom.
>>
>>
>> What ever made you think he was any kind of African, play or otherwise?
>
>Gimme a break.
Scott, I am being dead serious. I never particularly thought he was black.
Fill me in here. What, because he likes rap? Tell me that's not it....
Alan
Bob Blaylock
> I'm moved at this point to note that - once again - the racist
> imprecations in the thread are being supplied by the erstwhile
> "liberals," while the person(s) they get off on calling a "racist" has
> made no such interjection of race into the topic.
>
> This is pretty common, I'm finding. Faced with a situation where no
> racial commentary has been made, the "cry racism" mob will cheerfully
> supply it - and then pule about the terribly racist nature of the
> discussion.
It's like I observed earlier in this thread. Most of the time, when the
"racism" epithet is hurled, it is for reasons that have nothing whatsoever to do
with literal racism, and everything to do with the target's failure to support
the ridiculous Politically-Correct viewpoint of the person using this epithet.
Alan Kingsley
Scott K. Stafford wrote in message ...
>
>> >Gimme a break.
>>
>>
>> Scott, I am being dead serious. I never particularly thought he was
black.
>> Fill me in here. What, because he likes rap? Tell me that's not it....
>
>poorly-socialized white kid.
>
>Now it's been proven. That's all.
As *I* said in another post, I don't understand why it's an issue, and why
it was any more assumed that he was black than it is assumed of anyone else.
Alan
RM Mentock
> I find it extraordinarily ironic that the same people who claim a well armed
> populace is vital to the security of a free state, in securing the rights of
> the people from the government, are also the same ones who would endorse any
> excess by the police against those self same people.
Gotcher negative data point right here.
Besides, you carried the concept a little too far (*any* excess).
Clearly, most Schmoes do not endorse excesses against themselves, so
most Schmoes are also negative data points.
I agree that there is a perception that gun control advocates
are also supporters of "strong" police forces. Waco-sters
are negative data points also, though.
--
D.
mlo...@lobo.civetsystems.com
> Need I point out once again that it would take time to get rid of the guns?
Notice how long it took to get rid of heroin. But now that it's gone,
we can focus on other social ills.
M.
mlo...@lobo.civetsystems.com
> I never particularly thought he was black.
> Fill me in here. What, because he likes rap? Tell me that's not it....
Well, he is always talking about how white people smell like bologna...
M.
ra...@westnet.poe.com
> That's after twenty years of Tory government. I thought your sort
> _liked_ conservatives, or was Maggie Thatcher too much of a lefty for you?
Son, If I'm a sort, then the world is in a heap o trouble. ;)
And left or right, Tory or not, Britain remains very heavily socialized.
ra...@westnet.poe.com
> Dutch Courage wrote:
>> I find it extraordinarily ironic that the same people who claim a well armed
>> populace is vital to the security of a free state, in securing the rights of
>> the people from the government, are also the same ones who would endorse any
>> excess by the police against those self same people.
> Gotcher negative data point right here.
Make that two. The biggest problem I have with Gun Control laws, is it
makes the poulace essentially choose between either rampant crime or
abusive police.
And I've made that point before.
Dutch Courage
>Dutch Courage wrote:
>
>> I find it extraordinarily ironic that the same people who claim a well
>armed
>> populace is vital to the security of a free state, in securing the rights
>of
>> the people from the government, are also the same ones who would endorse
>any
>> excess by the police against those self same people.
>
>Gotcher negative data point right here.
Oh, neat.
>Besides, you carried the concept a little too far (*any* excess).
>Clearly, most Schmoes do not endorse excesses against themselves, so
>most Schmoes are also negative data points.
Thus "A conservative who's been arrested."
>
>I agree that there is a perception that gun control advocates
>are also supporters of "strong" police forces. Waco-sters
>are negative data points also, though.
Hmmm. I dunno, Staff is prolly anti-Waco, since he can blame that on Reno.
Still, he explains away any other police excess, as we've seen him do.
Tell me guys, what's the difference between Randy Weaver and Antonio Butler?
Bob Ward
Alan Kingsley <Al...@Kingsley.com> wrote in message
news:rvk458...@corp.supernews.com...
>
> Scott K. Stafford wrote in message ...
> >
> >> >PS: I am loving this thread. Not only do we find out that
Hyprfuknuts
> >> >is just a play-African, we discover that his "profession" is pushin'
> >> >broom.
> >>
> >>
> >> What ever made you think he was any kind of African, play or otherwise?
> >
>
>
> Scott, I am being dead serious. I never particularly thought he was
black.
> Fill me in here. What, because he likes rap? Tell me that's not it....
>
Ummm... perhaps his recent comments on white men smelling like a baloney
sandwich?
> Alan
>
>
Dutch Courage
>We also have a wonderously-qualified new source of data points on such
>burning questions as whether the Hefty Cinch-Sak is really superior to
>the Glad Leaf-Bag when you're tackling the big garbage-hauling jobs...
Nah, taking the garbage out is suspiciously like work, so I don't do it.
John Gilmer
OK.
Yep! That's the standard story when cops shoot someone. If they
"accidentally" run over someone the standard story is that they saw a
"large, white dog!"
Sorry, I tend to have my fingers go out of sync with my thoughts.
Sometimes even I can't figure out what I really meant!
JLG
>
> -- Geno
>
John Gilmer
Bob Ward <rcw...@gte.net> wrote in message
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>
> <rad...@bigfoot.commmmmmmm> wrote in message
> news:37fd98ef....@nntp.ix.netcom.com...
> > On Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:04:44 -0400, "John Gilmer" <gil...@crosslink.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >Yep! That's the standard story when cops shot someone. If they
> > >"accidentally" run in so someone the standard story is that they saw a
> > >"large, white dog!"
> >
> > Could you maybe re-write this, coherently next time?
> >
>
So much for your judgment: I just rewrote it.
So go back to whatever nasty business you were up to.
JLG
>
>
> > -- Geno
> >
>
>
Dutch Courage
>>
>>rad...@bigfoot.commmmmmmm wrote:
>
>>>remember -- Rodney lived, and was not permanently injured. Many victims of
>>the ensuing riots died; others suffered serious lasting injury.
>>
>On Tue, 5 Oct 1999 05:48:42 -0500, "Alan Kingsley" <Al...@Kingsley.com> --
>right
>up there with HamsterShit -- wrote:
>
>>Oh, and that's King's fault?
>
>Not exactly what I was trying to get at. But the reverends and rioters, and
>certain politicians, all rallied 'round Rodney's cause.
Yeah, I'd imagine
> Burn, baby, burn.
Please, I beg of you, don't start singing "Disco Inferno."
> Not
>only were there were few calls for peace from anyone but Rodney, himself ...
>but
>the reverends and pols actually inflamed matters with their rhetoric.
The reverends? So all black reverends now. them too, are nothing but race
baiters?
>>I just wish they would have taken that riot energy--which I totally
>>understand and sympathize with--and headed for somewhere more suitable to
>>burn, like Beverly Hills or the suburb the jury was from. Then we might
>>have a Kenyan-style Mau Mau.
>
>Yeah, and look how well that works in Kenya! <VBL>
Hey, it kicked the English out. Nice to see some indigenous people kick ass
for a change.
>
>Other than to say that you're really an out-there kook, I won't comment
>further
>on this one. You've done all the talking yourself, and have shown what a
>fu**ing
>foole you are.
Alan's a little wooly, sure. He seems to want social libertarianism and a
centralized economy, but they have that in Europe.
> In fact, on your Teeming Millions profile, you come off
>looking
>pretty flaky, too: "Job: owns a store (foreign/indie video rental, leftist
>propaganda, "hippie" items)." ... "I am very passionate about ... politics. I
>am
>very left wing, and I am working to educate people about the evils of the
>capitalism and fascism that dominate the world."
>
>See, Alan, you've apparently fried your remaining brain cells with all the
>dope
>(not the straight kind, either) you've been ingesting.
I don't really know that Alan smokes dope.
> And since you run a
>store, it seems you're using the capitalist system very well, to your full
>advantage.
Alan could probably make more money if he stocked items more people wanted.
> That's the beauty of it. (Unless you sell every bong, hash-pipe,
>roachclip and tie-dye kit at break-even, or maybe at a loss. But I've never
>seen
>a headshop with reasonable prices.)
I don't think Alan sells paraphenalia.
Gary S. Callison
: Scott K. Stafford wrote in message ...
: >In article <rvjmir...@corp.supernews.com>, Al...@Kingsley.com says...
: >> note: if we had strong gun control like some other advanced
: >> countries (which also just coincidentally have national health
: >> insurance), cops wouldn't need to think every time someone moved
: >> their hands weird they were pulling a gun. If no one had guns, the
: >> cops would have no excuse to shoot most of the time, and in fact
: >> wouldn't generally need guns themselves.
: >has always been a shining example of good citizenship...
: guns? But I'd say that an automatic life term for possession of a
: gun--unless the offender can narc out some gun suppliers--would work
: well....
EVERYBODY QUIET!
...now, Alan: did you hear that? That was the _point_, whizzing by your
head. Scott said THE AVERAGE CARJACKER'S DEDICATION TO STRICTLY FOLLOW GUN
LAWS HAS ALWAYS BEEN A SHINING EXAMPLE OF GOOD CITIZENSHIP. What he means
by this, you crazed liberal nutbag, is that no matter what laws you make
against gun ownership, the CRIMINALS are ALREADY BREAKING THE LAW, and
MORE LAWS ARE NOT GOING TO STOP THEM. More _police_ may stop them.
_Better_ _trained_ police may stop them. Working to create a society that
is less condusive to causing crime to exist and more condusive to all
God's children living in the happy land of sweetness and light and cute
and fuzzy bunnies may stop them. Passing more laws will NOT.
--
Huey
Duh!
Alan Kingsley
further
>on this one. You've done all the talking yourself, and have shown what a
fu**ing
looking
>pretty flaky, too: "Job: owns a store (foreign/indie video rental, leftist
>propaganda, "hippie" items)." ... "I am very passionate about ... politics.
I am
>very left wing, and I am working to educate people about the evils of the
>capitalism and fascism that dominate the world."
>
>See, Alan, you've apparently fried your remaining brain cells with all the
dope
>store, it seems you're using the capitalist system very well, to your full
>advantage.
But I have consistently favored allowing people to use their own
initiative--I guess you weren't here when I exhaustively discussed my views,
but I am not a Marxist and have my own ideas of eliminating the evils of
capitalism without destroying incentives and competition. And my store can
hardly be called a capitalist enterprise, since I have no employees, and
make less than minimum wage.
>That's the beauty of it. (Unless you sell every bong, hash-pipe,
>roachclip and tie-dye kit at break-even, or maybe at a loss. But I've never
seen
>a headshop with reasonable prices.)
I don't run a head shop per se: we sell no bongs, roach clips, or pipes (or
cigarettes or anything related to smoking, in fact). Our other stuff (some
of which is similar to the other items seen in head shops) is certainly
priced reasonably: "break-even" is in the eye of the beholder. Selling
items for their wholesale price would mean I was not breaking even, since I
have to pay my overhead, and would not have time to work another job (which
I would need to pay my living expenses). But if you consider "break even"
what it would cost to pay minimum wage to someone to work all the hours
(myself or others), plus overhead, then they are getting the stuff at less
than break even since I only clear about four bucks an hour after
everything.
And half the store is dedicated to foreign and indie video rental, which you
seem to ignore. Everyone always seems to generalize one way or the other:
usually they just say I own a video store; now you are ignoring that part
and calling me a head shop owner. Both sides ignore the emphasis on left
wing books, stickers, etc. Oh well, whatever....
Alan
Alan Kingsley
mlo...@lobo.civetsystems.com wrote in message ...
>"Alan Kingsley" <Al...@Kingsley.com> writes:
>
>> Need I point out once again that it would take time to get rid of the
guns?
>
>we can focus on other social ills.
Always the smart aleck....LOL
Fine, you have a point....but heroin use is easier to hide than gun use.
And I bet heroin use would be a lot lower than it is if they took everyone
who uses it and locked them up for good--of course, I'm not advocating that,
as heroin is quite different than guns: the former generally requires a
cooperative "victim."
Alan
Alan Kingsley
Bob Ward wrote in message ...
>
>Alan Kingsley <Al...@Kingsley.com> wrote in message
>news:rvk458...@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> >
>> >> >PS: I am loving this thread. Not only do we find out that
>Hyprfuknuts
>> >> >is just a play-African, we discover that his "profession" is pushin'
>> >> >broom.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> What ever made you think he was any kind of African, play or
otherwise?
>> >
>> >Gimme a break.
>>
>>
>> Scott, I am being dead serious. I never particularly thought he was
>black.
>> Fill me in here. What, because he likes rap? Tell me that's not it....
>>
>
>
>Ummm... perhaps his recent comments on white men smelling like a baloney
>sandwich?
See, to me that sounds like something a smartass white guy would say.
Alan
Alan Kingsley
mlo...@lobo.civetsystems.com wrote in message ...
>"Alan Kingsley" <Al...@Kingsley.com> writes:
>
>> I never particularly thought he was black.
>> Fill me in here. What, because he likes rap? Tell me that's not it....
>
Interesting that that made you assume he was black. I dunno, I guess I
associate that kind of commentary with clever, hip, smart-alecky white
guys--you know, like George.
Alan
Bob Blaylock
> EVERYBODY QUIET!
>
> ...now, Alan: did you hear that? That was the _point_, whizzing by your
> head. Scott said THE AVERAGE CARJACKER'S DEDICATION TO STRICTLY FOLLOW GUN
> LAWS HAS ALWAYS BEEN A SHINING EXAMPLE OF GOOD CITIZENSHIP. What he means
> by this, you crazed liberal nutbag, is that no matter what laws you make
> against gun ownership, the CRIMINALS are ALREADY BREAKING THE LAW, and
> MORE LAWS ARE NOT GOING TO STOP THEM. More _police_ may stop them.
> _Better_ _trained_ police may stop them. Working to create a society that
> is less condusive to causing crime to exist and more condusive to all
> God's children living in the happy land of sweetness and light and cute
> and fuzzy bunnies may stop them. Passing more laws will NOT.
And failing that, one thing that would certainly stop many criminals would
be for their intended victims to turn out to be armed.
Bob Blaylock
> Tell me guys, what's the difference between Randy Weaver and Antonio Butler?
I wasn't aware that Randy Weaver had ever been found in possession of an
automobile that, just the day before, had been taken from its rightful owner in a
violent armed robbery. In fact, up until the point where FBI and BATF agents got
a "friend" to try to convince Weaver to shorten a shotgun to just below legal
length (Does the word "entrapment" mean anything to you?) I'm not aware of any
evidence that Weaver had committed any crime at all. Even after that, it's still
not certain that Weaver actually committed any crime; there's been some credible
claim that after receiving the still barely-legal shotgun from Weaver, it was an
FBI or BATF agent who shortened it just a bit more, to bring it under the legal
length.