"Well-worn joke" in "Childhood's End"?
D.F. Manno
describing the chamber in which he meets with an alien Overlord to a
scientist:
Stormgren: ... There's no sign of any heater, but the room is always at
normal temperature.
Scientist: Meaning, I suppose, that the water vapor has frozen out, but
not the carbon dioxide.
[Narrator]: Stormgren did his best to smile at the well-worn joke.
Well-worm it may be, but I'm not familiar with it. Can anyone please
explain it to me?
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Gene Ward Smith
E70C7A.193...@sn-radius.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net:
> In "Childhood's End" by Arthur C. Clarke, a character
named Stormgren is
> describing the chamber in which he meets with an alien
Overlord to a
> scientist:
>
> Stormgren: ... There's no sign of any heater, but the room
is always at
> normal temperature.
>
> Scientist: Meaning, I suppose, that the water vapor has
frozen out, but
> not the carbon dioxide.
>
> [Narrator]: Stormgren did his best to smile at the well-
worn joke.
>
> Well-worm it may be, but I'm not familiar with it. Can
anyone please
> explain it to me?
Stormgren is Swedish. Ha ha.
Stor,
Mike Schilling
"D.F. Manno" <dfm...@mail.com> wrote in message
news:dfmanno-E70C7A...@sn-radius.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> In "Childhood's End" by Arthur C. Clarke, a character named Stormgren is
> describing the chamber in which he meets with an alien Overlord to a
> scientist:
>
> Stormgren: ... There's no sign of any heater, but the room is always at
> normal temperature.
>
> Scientist: Meaning, I suppose, that the water vapor has frozen out, but
> not the carbon dioxide.
>
> [Narrator]: Stormgren did his best to smile at the well-worn joke.
>
> Well-worm it may be, but I'm not familiar with it. Can anyone please
> explain it to me?
Stormgren is from Finland, and the joke is that at a normal temperature for
him, the water vapor has frozen out, but not the carbon dioxide.
Paul L. Madarasz
wrote, perhaps among other things:
>In "Childhood's End" by Arthur C. Clarke, a character named Stormgren is
>describing the chamber in which he meets with an alien Overlord to a
>scientist:
>
>Stormgren: ... There's no sign of any heater, but the room is always at
>normal temperature.
>
>Scientist: Meaning, I suppose, that the water vapor has frozen out, but
>not the carbon dioxide.
>
>[Narrator]: Stormgren did his best to smile at the well-worn joke.
>
>Well-worm it may be, but I'm not familiar with it. Can anyone please
>explain it to me?
WAG here, but doesn't this take place in England, where the room
temperature ("normal temperature") is perceived as being less than
toasty?
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-- Ed Abbey
Paul Ciszek
In article <dfmanno-E70C7A...@sn-radius.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
D.F. Manno <dfm...@mail.com> wrote:
>In "Childhood's End" by Arthur C. Clarke, a character named Stormgren is
>describing the chamber in which he meets with an alien Overlord to a
>scientist:
>
>Stormgren: ... There's no sign of any heater, but the room is always at
>normal temperature.
>
>Scientist: Meaning, I suppose, that the water vapor has frozen out, but
>not the carbon dioxide.
>
>[Narrator]: Stormgren did his best to smile at the well-worn joke.
>
>Well-worm it may be, but I'm not familiar with it. Can anyone please
>explain it to me?
It has been years since I read the book, but I thought that joke about
the water having frozen out but not the CO2 was made about the temperature
someone liked to keep their private home. i.e., his personal preference
was "very cold". This leads to all sorts of sit-com-like situations when
you have roommates.
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lclough
> In article <dfmanno-E70C7A...@sn-radius.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
> D.F. Manno <dfm...@mail.com> wrote:
>
>>In "Childhood's End" by Arthur C. Clarke, a character named Stormgren is
>>describing the chamber in which he meets with an alien Overlord to a
>>scientist:
>>
>>Stormgren: ... There's no sign of any heater, but the room is always at
>>normal temperature.
>>
>>Scientist: Meaning, I suppose, that the water vapor has frozen out, but
>>not the carbon dioxide.
>>
>>[Narrator]: Stormgren did his best to smile at the well-worn joke.
>>
>>Well-worm it may be, but I'm not familiar with it. Can anyone please
>>explain it to me?
>
>
> It has been years since I read the book, but I thought that joke about
> the water having frozen out but not the CO2 was made about the temperature
> someone liked to keep their private home. i.e., his personal preference
> was "very cold". This leads to all sorts of sit-com-like situations when
> you have roommates.
>
I agree. I was under the impression that Stormgren's associates
have been razzing him about his preferred living temperature for
years. At this late point the quips no longer amuse him, but
naturally his workmates are not going to quit making them.
Brenda
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Mike Williams
>In "Childhood's End" by Arthur C. Clarke, a character named Stormgren is
>describing the chamber in which he meets with an alien Overlord to a
>scientist:
>
>Stormgren: ... There's no sign of any heater, but the room is always at
>normal temperature.
>
>Scientist: Meaning, I suppose, that the water vapor has frozen out, but
>not the carbon dioxide.
>
>[Narrator]: Stormgren did his best to smile at the well-worn joke.
>
>Well-worm it may be, but I'm not familiar with it. Can anyone please
>explain it to me?
"Normal temperature" is an old scientific term (presumably current in
1953 when Childhood's End was written) for what's now called "Standard
temperature". Zero degrees centigrade.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_temperature_and_pressure
Stormgren is not a scientist, so he's not using "normal" in the
scientific sense, but knows enough science to recognise the terminology.
Ha ha.
--
Mike Williams
Gentleman of Leisure
Joe Bednorz
<f4ncj6$hc$1...@reader2.panix.com>:
>
>In article <dfmanno-E70C7A...@sn-radius.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
>D.F. Manno <dfm...@mail.com> wrote:
>>In "Childhood's End" by Arthur C. Clarke, a character named Stormgren is
>>describing the chamber in which he meets with an alien Overlord to a
>>scientist:
>>
>>Stormgren: ... There's no sign of any heater, but the room is always at
>>normal temperature.
>>
>>Scientist: Meaning, I suppose, that the water vapor has frozen out, but
>>not the carbon dioxide.
>>
>>[Narrator]: Stormgren did his best to smile at the well-worn joke.
>>
>>Well-worm it may be, but I'm not familiar with it. Can anyone please
>>explain it to me?
>
>It has been years since I read the book, but I thought that joke about
>the water having frozen out but not the CO2 was made about the temperature
>someone liked to keep their private home. i.e., his personal preference
>was "very cold". This leads to all sorts of sit-com-like situations when
>you have roommates.
It was also a problem with the "normal" state of tin, as I
understand it. Tin being used for the pipes in cheaper church organs.
When it's cold enough, tin can change to a different, but still valid,
physical state that crumbles away.
Churches in Northern Europe not being kept constantly heated....
(I think that was from an Organic Chemistry class. One of the
anecdotes the lecturer told to liven up the room. Chemistry humor.)
>
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When I was taking chemistry in high school (early seventies), One of
them (Normal / Standard Temperature and Pressure) was 20 degrees C and
the other was 25 degrees C.
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> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:31:45 -0400, "D.F. Manno" <dfma...@mail.com>
> wrote, perhaps among other things:
>
> >In "Childhood's End" by Arthur C. Clarke, a character named Stormgren is
> >describing the chamber in which he meets with an alien Overlord to a
> >scientist:
>
> >Stormgren: ... There's no sign of any heater, but the room is always at
> >normal temperature.
>
> >Scientist: Meaning, I suppose, that the water vapor has frozen out, but
> >not the carbon dioxide.
>
> >[Narrator]: Stormgren did his best to smile at the well-worn joke.
>
> >Well-worm it may be, but I'm not familiar with it. Can anyone please
> >explain it to me?
>
> WAG here, but doesn't this take place in England, where the room
> temperature ("normal temperature") is perceived as being less than
> toasty?
Less than toasty, maybe, but most of the time above the freezing point
of water. England is famous for rain, not for snow. That's why our
rowers are better than our skiers.
Cheers,
Nigel.
Joe Bednorz
<1181737623....@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>:
>
>Less than toasty, maybe, but most of the time above the freezing point
>of water. England is famous for rain, not for snow. That's why our
>rowers are better than our skiers.
>
So the American asking for ice in his beer to warm it up is a
legend?
Peter Boulding
<dfmanno-E70C7A...@sn-radius.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>:
>Well-worm
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thing.
[2] Here in a.f.c.a we don't know the difference between words and
phrases.[3]
[3] Or care.[4]
[4] But we like footnotes.[5]
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Paul Clarke
> On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 05:27:03 -0700, ncwa...@hotmail.com wrote in
> <1181737623.084952.7...@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>:
> >Less than toasty, maybe, but most of the time above the freezing point
> >of water. England is famous for rain, not for snow. That's why our
> >rowers are better than our skiers.
>
> So the American asking for ice in his beer to warm it up is a
> legend?
The stereotypical American complaint about British beer is that it's
already warm.
Charles Wm. Dimmick
in a restaurant and have it served to me in an iced mug.
I then have to wait about half an hour before it is fit
to drink.
Charles
Peter Bruells
> One thing that really pisses me off is to order a Porter
> in a restaurant and have it served to me in an iced mug.
> I then have to wait about half an hour before it is fit
> to drink.
I know that Kishon wrote that it's impossible to order "Ice tead
without ice" in the United States, but seriously: Shouldn't it be
possible to asked for an unchilled mug?
Howard Brazee
wrote:
>> One thing that really pisses me off is to order a Porter
>> in a restaurant and have it served to me in an iced mug.
>> I then have to wait about half an hour before it is fit
>> to drink.
>
>I know that Kishon wrote that it's impossible to order "Ice tead
>without ice" in the United States, but seriously: Shouldn't it be
>possible to asked for an unchilled mug?
It's even possible to ask for unchilled ale - unless it is on tap. If
you think you shouldn't have needed to ask - then don't feel guilty
returning it for some served the way you want.
Unless you prefer a good complaint to good brew.
Charles Wm. Dimmick
I get spoiled by bars which serve it properly and forget
when ordering in a restaurant that they may not know how
to serve porter.
charles
Dhubghall
A few years ago me and some freinds were partying with the lead singer of
a semi-famous irish rock band. This was in Tuscon at the Hotel Congress,
an amusing little anacronism that doesn't have AC. We had tried to ice
down bottles of Guinness in the sink but it was an old cast iron one and
the room was pretty hot. The lead singer Keith, a former dubliner, told
me that if I told any of his friends that he was drinking warm Guiness he
would kill me. I joked, having actually known better, that isn't that the
way you drink it in Ireland? His response was classic:
"First off that's a myth, Second, even if that were true room temperature
in Ireland is probably going to be 35 degrees cooler than this bloody
room"
Dougall
Paul L. Madarasz
wrote, perhaps among other things:
>In alt.fan.cecil-adams Paul Clarke <paul....@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
>> On 13 Jun, 14:28, Joe Bednorz <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> > On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 05:27:03 -0700, ncwa...@hotmail.com wrote in
>> > <1181737623.084952.7...@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>:
>> > >Less than toasty, maybe, but most of the time above the freezing point
>> > >of water. England is famous for rain, not for snow. That's why our
>> > >rowers are better than our skiers.
>> >
>> > So the American asking for ice in his beer to warm it up is a
>> > legend?
>
>> The stereotypical American complaint about British beer is that it's
>> already warm.
>
>A few years ago me and some freinds were partying with the lead singer of
>a semi-famous irish rock band. This was in Tuscon at the Hotel Congress,
"Tuscon" is a defunct SF convention; we live in Tucson here (a
block-and-a-half from the Hotel Congress, actually).
David Tate
> "First off that's a myth, Second, even if that were true room temperature
> in Ireland is probably going to be 35 degrees cooler than this bloody
> room"
See also "proper temperature to serve Bordeaux". Room temperature --
if the room happens to be in a drafty 14th-century stone castle in a
fen in February.
Dave Tate
Mike Schilling
"David Tate" <dt...@ida.org> wrote in message
news:1181838178.8...@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> See also "proper temperature to serve Bordeaux". Room temperature --
> if the room happens to be in a drafty 14th-century stone castle in a
> fen in February.
How did fen travel to the 14th century?
Dana Carpender
David Tate wrote:
Which reminds me: Now that we actually have a cellar, we probably ought
to start keeping our wine down there.
Dana
Jerry Bauer
(in article <QbSdnTbjCKUp7Ozb...@insightbb.com>):
>
> Which reminds me: Now that we actually have a cellar, we probably ought
> to start keeping our wine down there.
>
Is your cellar in the basement?
Dana Carpender
Jerry Bauer wrote:
Why, yes.
Dana
Mary
> Jerry Bauer wrote:
> > On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:49:24 -0700, Dana Carpender wrote
>
> >>Which reminds me: Now that we actually have a cellar, we probably ought
> >>to start keeping our wine down there.
>
> > Is your cellar in the basement?
>
> Why, yes.
Is it a real cellar, though? I think of basements as having concrete
floors and cellars as having dirt floors. One of my uncles has a
cellar in his basement - that is, he installed an old-fashioned root
cellar for storage which has a dirt floor, within the basement proper.
We don't even have a real basement. Our house is a split-level.
Mary
Jerry Bauer
(in article <1181844242.6...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>):
It's just one of my (many) idiosyncratic minor peeves; that
"basement" is, semantically, a foundation, "base", while "cellar" is
semantically a container, "cell".
Their interchanged use in the vernacular seems imprecise.
--
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Default User
> It's just one of my (many) idiosyncratic minor peeves; that
> "basement" is, semantically, a foundation, "base", while "cellar" is
> semantically a container, "cell".
>
> Their interchanged use in the vernacular seems imprecise.
You may be head over heels about imprecision in the vernacular, but I
could care less.
Brian
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won't shut up.
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Paul L. Madarasz
wrote, perhaps among other things:
>Jerry Bauer wrote:
>
>
>> It's just one of my (many) idiosyncratic minor peeves; that
>> "basement" is, semantically, a foundation, "base", while "cellar" is
>> semantically a container, "cell".
>>
>> Their interchanged use in the vernacular seems imprecise.
>
>You may be head over heels about imprecision in the vernacular, but I
>could care less.
William Safire had a comment about the use of "I could care less":
"Idioms is idioms."
Chris Kuan
02:30:33a
Permanently tipsy on Bordeaux, I suppose.
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David DeLaney
>Is it a real cellar, though? I think of basements as having concrete
>floors and cellars as having dirt floors. One of my uncles has a
>cellar in his basement - that is, he installed an old-fashioned root
>cellar for storage which has a dirt floor, within the basement proper.
>
>We don't even have a real basement. Our house is a split-level.
...If I go through _this_ door, I get to the Heinlein thread, right?
Dave
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Walter Bushell
d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:
> Mary <mrfea...@aol.com> wrote:
> >Is it a real cellar, though? I think of basements as having concrete
> >floors and cellars as having dirt floors. One of my uncles has a
> >cellar in his basement - that is, he installed an old-fashioned root
> >cellar for storage which has a dirt floor, within the basement proper.
> >
> >We don't even have a real basement. Our house is a split-level.
>
> ...If I go through _this_ door, I get to the Heinlein thread, right?
>
> Dave
Only if it's a crooked house.
Charles Wm. Dimmick
> Mary <mrfea...@aol.com> wrote:
>> Is it a real cellar, though? I think of basements as having concrete
>> floors and cellars as having dirt floors. One of my uncles has a
>> cellar in his basement - that is, he installed an old-fashioned root
>> cellar for storage which has a dirt floor, within the basement proper.
>>
>> We don't even have a real basement. Our house is a split-level.
>
> ...If I go through _this_ door, I get to the Heinlein thread, right?
We have cats like that. Constantly looking for the doorway into
summer, but also able to walk through walls.
Charles
Tim Bruening
Gene Ward Smith wrote:
> "D.F. Manno" <dfm...@mail.com> wrote in news:dfmanno-
> E70C7A.193...@sn-radius.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net:
>
> > In "Childhood's End" by Arthur C. Clarke, a character
> named Stormgren is
> > describing the chamber in which he meets with an alien
> Overlord to a
> > scientist:
> >
> > Stormgren: ... There's no sign of any heater, but the room
> is always at
> > normal temperature.
> >
> > Scientist: Meaning, I suppose, that the water vapor has
> frozen out, but
> > not the carbon dioxide.
> >
> > [Narrator]: Stormgren did his best to smile at the well-
> worn joke.
> >
> > Well-worm it may be, but I'm not familiar with it. Can
> anyone please
> > explain it to me?
>
> Stormgren is Swedish. Ha ha.
Global warming may ruin the above joke.
Nasti J
> > E70C7A.19314512062...@sn-radius.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net:
>
> > > In "Childhood's End" by Arthur C. Clarke, a character
> > named Stormgren is
> > > describing the chamber in which he meets with an alien
> > Overlord to a
> > > scientist:
>
> > > Stormgren: ... There's no sign of any heater, but the room
> > is always at
> > > normal temperature.
>
> > > Scientist: Meaning, I suppose, that the water vapor has
> > frozen out, but
> > > not the carbon dioxide.
>
> > > [Narrator]: Stormgren did his best to smile at the well-
> > worn joke.
>
> > > Well-worm it may be, but I'm not familiar with it. Can
> > anyone please
> > > explain it to me?
>
> > Stormgren is Swedish. Ha ha.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
I knew it was an Inconvenient Truth, but the idea that global warming
will retroactively change Stormgren's nationality is truly appalling.
Matthias Warkus
> On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 00:09:10 +0000 (UTC), Paul Ciszek wrote in
> <f4ncj6$hc$1...@reader2.panix.com>:
>
>> In article <dfmanno-E70C7A...@sn-radius.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
>> D.F. Manno <dfm...@mail.com> wrote:
>>> In "Childhood's End" by Arthur C. Clarke, a character named Stormgren is
>>> describing the chamber in which he meets with an alien Overlord to a
>>> scientist:
>>>
>>> Stormgren: ... There's no sign of any heater, but the room is always at
>>> normal temperature.
>>>
>>> Scientist: Meaning, I suppose, that the water vapor has frozen out, but
>>> not the carbon dioxide.
>>>
>>>
>>> Well-worm it may be, but I'm not familiar with it. Can anyone please
>>> explain it to me?
>> the water having frozen out but not the CO2 was made about the temperature
>> someone liked to keep their private home. i.e., his personal preference
>> was "very cold". This leads to all sorts of sit-com-like situations when
>> you have roommates.
>
> It was also a problem with the "normal" state of tin, as I
> understand it. Tin being used for the pipes in cheaper church organs.
> When it's cold enough, tin can change to a different, but still valid,
> physical state that crumbles away.
>
> Churches in Northern Europe not being kept constantly heated....
You might be confusing this with what is called "tin pest", which blooms
on and eventually pulverises organ pipes made of certain tin/lead alloys.
mawa
Stephen J. Rush
"Tin pest" is actually the conversion from the metallic "beta" form to
the "alpha" allotrope, which has a cubic crystal structure. It happens
in pure tin at about 13.2 Celsius. Anyone seeing shiny metallic tin turn
to grey powder is likely to think of corrosion or some weird metal-eating
fungus, but there is no chemical reaction involved.
Mike Schilling
"Matthias Warkus" <War...@students.uni-marburg.de> wrote in message
news:f5am4c$2lul$1...@news.nnrp.de...
>
> You might be confusing this with what is called "tin pest", which blooms
> on and eventually pulverises organ pipes made of certain tin/lead alloys.
Mr. Peabody: And with no way left to make tea, people began to drink
coffee.
Sherman: Really, Mr. Peabody?
Mr. Peabody: Why, yes. Surely you've heard of "tin pest in the
teapot".
Bill Turlock
YRDLSH!
David DeLaney
>Joe Bednorz schrieb:
>> It was also a problem with the "normal" state of tin, as I
>> understand it. Tin being used for the pipes in cheaper church organs.
>> When it's cold enough, tin can change to a different, but still valid,
>> physical state that crumbles away.
>>
>> Churches in Northern Europe not being kept constantly heated....
>
>You might be confusing this with what is called "tin pest", which blooms
>on and eventually pulverises organ pipes made of certain tin/lead alloys.
If that's something that happens at room temperature (above 60 degrees F), then
no, he's not confusing the two. Tin really DOES have an allotropic state it
changes to at a low enough temperature, which has different strutural
characteristics and is powdery/crumbly/nonmetallic. ...Wikipedia says the
changeover point is 13.2 degrees C, though, where I had had the distinct
notion it was safely below zero? That converts to 55 degrees F... And says that
that is, indeed, "tin pest". So it's not a 'confusion' so much as a 'different
name for it'?
Snidely
wrote:
> YRDLSH!
"You Really Do Live Science Horrifically" ?
You've not only wooshed me, you've wooshed Google.
/dps
Rick B.
@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
You Really Do Learn Stuff Here.
(Trimmed the other group, I have no idea if people learn stuff there or not)
Bill Turlock
...Learn Stuff Here
Snidely
wrote:
[...]
> > You've not only wooshed me, you've wooshed Google.
>
> ...Learn Stuff Here
[smacks forehead] ... uh, yeah, I knew that. [busies himself with
something else]
/dps
Snidely
> On Jun 20, 3:58 pm, Bill Turlock <"Bill Turlock "@sonnnic.invalid> wrote:
> [...]
>
>
> [smacks forehead] ... uh, yeah, I knew that. [busies himself with
> something else]
This moment commemorated at <http://searailfoam.net/wordwork.htm>
/dps
Bill Turlock
Yeah, well, I myself got whooshed thae last time someone used it,
so I'm not likely to forget it! (Not that I admitted it at the
time.
BIll
Snidely
> Snidely inscribed:
>
> > Bill Turlock quothe:
> > [...]
> > > ...Learn Stuff Here
> > [smacks forehead] ... uh, yeah, I knew that. [busies himself with
> > something else]
>
> This moment commemorated at <http://searailfoam.net/wordwork.htm>
I've only found 2 other hits -- both are in AFCA (Feb and Mar of this
year), and both times the admiring public admitted to being whooshed.
I've updated my page in honor of those Who Bravely Asked before me.
/dps
Jasper Janssen
<nos...@econym.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>"Normal temperature" is an old scientific term (presumably current in
>1953 when Childhood's End was written) for what's now called "Standard
>temperature". Zero degrees centigrade.
Odd, I learned STP as being 20 or 25 C, rather than 0.
Jasper
Mike Williams
Metric STP is zero. I believe that the characters and author were
European.
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Where/when did you learn that?
Xho
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I learned "STP" ("Standard") as 20 and "NTP" ("Normal") as 25.
(perhaps the other way around, but was taught both numbers with the
two acronyms to distinguish them.)
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Michael Stemper
>Jasper Janssen <jas...@jjanssen.org> wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 02:51:57 +0100, Mike Williams <nos...@econym.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> >"Normal temperature" is an old scientific term (presumably current in
>> >1953 when Childhood's End was written) for what's now called "Standard
>> >temperature". Zero degrees centigrade.
>>
>> Odd, I learned STP as being 20 or 25 C, rather than 0.
>
>Where/when did you learn that?
I can't speak for him, but I learned it (20 C) in a US high school
in the late 1960s. I don't recall if that's what was used when I
took college-level chemistry in the 1970s or not.
--
Michael F. Stemper
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Greg Goss
>Jasper Janssen <jas...@jjanssen.org> wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 02:51:57 +0100, Mike Williams
>> <nos...@econym.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Normal temperature" is an old scientific term (presumably current in
>> >1953 when Childhood's End was written) for what's now called "Standard
>> >temperature". Zero degrees centigrade.
>>
>> Odd, I learned STP as being 20 or 25 C, rather than 0.
>
>Where/when did you learn that?
As I said, I learned both numbers, one as "normal" and the other as
"standard".
This was in the early seventies in junior high school science class in
western Canada. It wasn't contradicted in any other science or chem
classes up to and including college level chemistry classes, again in
BC, Canada.
Mike Schilling
"Michael Stemper" <mste...@siemens-emis.com> wrote in message
news:200707131732....@walkabout.empros.com...
> In article <20070713111228.869$k...@newsreader.com>, xhoster writes:
>>Jasper Janssen <jas...@jjanssen.org> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 02:51:57 +0100, Mike Williams
>>> <nos...@econym.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> >"Normal temperature" is an old scientific term (presumably current in
>>> >1953 when Childhood's End was written) for what's now called "Standard
>>> >temperature". Zero degrees centigrade.
>>>
>>> Odd, I learned STP as being 20 or 25 C, rather than 0.
>>
>>Where/when did you learn that?
>
> I can't speak for him, but I learned it (20 C) in a US high school
> in the late 1960s. I don't recall if that's what was used when I
> took college-level chemistry in the 1970s or not.
It's irrelevant anyway. The joke has nothing to do with physics, it's that
the character is from Finland [1] and is used to freezing temperatures.
1. IIRC. Or it could be one of the Scandinavian countries.
Charles Wm. Dimmick
Back in 1958 we were taught 0 deg. C and 1 atmosphere as STP,
except that I vaguely remember another standard where standard
temperature was 4 deg. C., something to do with the density of
water.
Charles
Aaron Denney
On 2007-07-13, Charles Wm. Dimmick <cdim...@snet.net> wrote:
> Jasper Janssen wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 02:51:57 +0100, Mike Williams
>> <nos...@econym.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> "Normal temperature" is an old scientific term (presumably current in
>>> 1953 when Childhood's End was written) for what's now called "Standard
>>> temperature". Zero degrees centigrade.
>>
>> Odd, I learned STP as being 20 or 25 C, rather than 0.
>
> Back in 1958 we were taught 0 deg. C and 1 atmosphere as STP,
This is the IUPAC definition, which is frankly, utterly stupid, as no
one works in labs at 0 deg C. (Well, they later modified it to 1 bar, which
is slightly under 1 ATM.)
20 and 25 are used as well, as is 15, by various other organizations.
Then there's 60 F, but we won't go there...
> except that I vaguely remember another standard where standard
> temperature was 4 deg. C., something to do with the density of
> water.
Well, 4 deg C is a minimum density of water, but I'm unaware of any
standard based on this.
--
Aaron Denney
-><-
Jasper Janssen
<nos...@econym.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Wasn't it Jasper Janssen who wrote:
>>On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 02:51:57 +0100, Mike Williams
>><nos...@econym.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Normal temperature" is an old scientific term (presumably current in
>>>1953 when Childhood's End was written) for what's now called "Standard
>>>temperature". Zero degrees centigrade.
>>
>>Odd, I learned STP as being 20 or 25 C, rather than 0.
>
>Metric STP is zero. I believe that the characters and author were
>European.
As am I.
Jasper
Jasper Janssen
>Jasper Janssen <jas...@jjanssen.org> wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 02:51:57 +0100, Mike Williams
>> <nos...@econym.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Normal temperature" is an old scientific term (presumably current in
>> >1953 when Childhood's End was written) for what's now called "Standard
>> >temperature". Zero degrees centigrade.
>>
>> Odd, I learned STP as being 20 or 25 C, rather than 0.
>
>Where/when did you learn that?
Dutch high school in the 90s.
Jasper