The Family Table
Anny Middon
think) is American Family Day and everybody is supposed to try to have
dinner with their families on that day.
I don't have kids, so this is hard for me to understand. I know people are
overextended these days, and once kids are in school they have a lot of
activities, but is it true that most US families can't arrange to meet
around the dinner table even once a week? Mike's brother has just the one
daughter but the three of them have dinner together most nights. Both my
sisters had family dinner regularly when their kids still lived at home. My
brother, his wife and their two sons had dinner together at least once or
twice a week.
I get the impression my family is kind of an anomaly here, since there has
to be a national day so families will actually try to have dinner together.
How unusual is it these days for families to eat together?
This family dinner thing must mean having dinner at home with the family,
since every time we go out there are plenty of families having dinner. Is
family dinner at home considered better than family dinner at a restaurant?
Also I recently read an article that gave tips on how to have a conversation
at the dinner table with your kids. Don't ask them how school was, but ask
something specific like, "What was the grossest thing they served at the
cafeteria today?"
Lawdamaisy. Do parents really need tips on how to converse with their kids?
(As an amusing sidenote -- Jewel [local Albertson's] in their ad this week
promoted having a home-cooked meal for the family. To aid in this, they're
offering a free Country Crock heat-and-eat side dish with the purchase of a
Tyson heat-and-eat entree. "Home-cooked" sure don't mean what it useta.)
Anny
Boron Elgar
<AnnyM...@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>There's been some advertising lately about how one day next week (Monday, I
>think) is American Family Day and everybody is supposed to try to have
>dinner with their families on that day.
>
>I don't have kids, so this is hard for me to understand. I know people are
>overextended these days, and once kids are in school they have a lot of
>activities, but is it true that most US families can't arrange to meet
>around the dinner table even once a week? Mike's brother has just the one
>daughter but the three of them have dinner together most nights. Both my
>sisters had family dinner regularly when their kids still lived at home. My
>brother, his wife and their two sons had dinner together at least once or
>twice a week.
>I get the impression my family is kind of an anomaly here, since there has
>to be a national day so families will actually try to have dinner together.
>How unusual is it these days for families to eat together?
We have dinner together almost every night the kids are here. They
spend 3 nights at their dads, and they all have dinner together there,
too. Sometimes we all eat together, both families. We missed the
eldest when she was away at school and we miss Twin A while he is
away.
When The Princess moves out in a few months, it will take getting used
to all over again. It was a great summer having all 3 around the whole
time, and there we sometimes did not eat until late when one or the
other kid was working.
>This family dinner thing must mean having dinner at home with the family,
>since every time we go out there are plenty of families having dinner. Is
>family dinner at home considered better than family dinner at a restaurant?
No diff to me, as long as we are together. It gets pricey to take out
5 people all the time.
>Lawdamaisy. Do parents really need tips on how to converse with their kids?
I hope not, but it takes all kinds. No topic is sacred, We talk about
anything and everything.
Family dinner is special around here. We hold dinner for the kids,
they hold dinner for us. Sometimes one or more of us has to be away
for work or school or social things, and the rest of us eat together.
The Hub does most of the cooking during the week and I do it on
weekends. Everyone pitches in, though, in prep and/or clean up.
I was raised in a family that almost never had a meal together. It was
perfect for that situation. Eating together is perfect for ours now. I
take it seriously.
Boron
Dana Carpender
Anny Middon wrote:
>
>
> (As an amusing sidenote -- Jewel [local Albertson's] in their ad this week
> promoted having a home-cooked meal for the family. To aid in this, they're
> offering a free Country Crock heat-and-eat side dish with the purchase of a
> Tyson heat-and-eat entree. "Home-cooked" sure don't mean what it useta.)
>
Yup. Stuff like "Homestyle Bakes," where you just assemble the boxed
ingredients and bake them, make a big deal about how wonderful it is to
serve a "home-cooked" meal. What crap.
For a while there, some brand of frozen pancakes or something was
running an ad with a mother saying that no matter how hectic life got,
she made sure her kids got a "hot breakfast." Right. Because a bunch
of white flour and hydrogenated shortening, warmed up in the toaster, is
a better breakfast than, say, a couple of string cheese sticks, or some
plain yogurt with vanilla, sweetener, and some fruit stirred in. Uh-huh.
In the classic vegetarian cookbook _Laurel's Kitchen_, the authors talk
about processed food advertising, and how it gave women a double message
-- "You love your family, and want to show your love with good,
home-cooked, nourishing food. But God forbid you should actually *cook*
that food! That's way too much work. No, no, you want to show your
love with our wonderful processed crap."
Sadly, it works.
Dana
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Anny Middon wrote:
> Also I recently read an article that gave tips on how to have a conversation
> at the dinner table with your kids. Don't ask them how school was, but ask
> something specific like, "What was the grossest thing they served at the
> cafeteria today?"
"All I can say is, my tapeworms sure are going to be disappointed"
(Calvin and Hobbes)
> Lawdamaisy. Do parents really need tips on how to converse with their kids?
I remember many dinners when we had to shut up if the news was on. And
my father getting very upset when ads for products like Preperation H.
We didn't have a remote, so it would be up to my brother or I to turn
the TV off when these ads appeared.
In our family dinner time was not the time for important discussions.
tooloud
It wasn't in my family, either. I've never cared for the "eat dinner
together as a family or you're doing something wrong" attitude, as I talked
to my parents during the many other activities we did together (car rides,
cleaning the garage, etc.).
I'm sure that a family dinner is as good of a time to talk as any other
time, but some assume that it's the only time a family ever talks, I guess.
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>There's been some advertising lately about how one day next week (Monday, I
>think) is American Family Day and everybody is supposed to ...
Every time $media_device informs me that $whenever is $whatever_day I want
to shout at it: "Who the **** says so?"
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Peter Boulding wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 17:25:03 GMT, "Anny Middon"
> <AnnyM...@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote in
> <P5eRg.7437$Ij....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>:
>
> >There's been some advertising lately about how one day next week (Monday, I
> >think) is American Family Day and everybody is supposed to ...
>
> Every time $media_device informs me that $whenever is $whatever_day I want
> to shout at it: "Who the **** says so?"
There are serious penalties for not welcoming your Madison avenue
overlords.
John Hatpin
>On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 17:25:03 GMT, "Anny Middon"
><AnnyM...@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote in
><P5eRg.7437$Ij....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>:
>
>>There's been some advertising lately about how one day next week (Monday, I
>>think) is American Family Day and everybody is supposed to ...
>
>Every time $media_device informs me that $whenever is $whatever_day I want
>to shout at it: "Who the **** says so?"
Luckily, today (Sunday 24th) is "National Who The **** Says So?" day.
Oh, and you have to talk like a Pilate. That's a Japanese buccaneer
who washes his hands a lot.
--
John Hatpin
darkon
> In the classic vegetarian cookbook _Laurel's Kitchen_, the
> authors talk about processed food advertising, and how it gave
> women a double message -- "You love your family, and want to
> show your love with good, home-cooked, nourishing food. But God
> forbid you should actually *cook* that food! That's way too
> much work. No, no, you want to show your love with our
> wonderful processed crap."
Nothing says "I love you" like Velveeta.
[giggling insanely]
Mary
>
>
> Anny Middon wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> (As an amusing sidenote -- Jewel [local Albertson's] in their ad this
>> week promoted having a home-cooked meal for the family. To aid in
>> this, they're offering a free Country Crock heat-and-eat side dish
>> with the purchase of a Tyson heat-and-eat entree. "Home-cooked" sure
>> don't mean what it useta.)
>>
>
>
> Yup. Stuff like "Homestyle Bakes," where you just assemble the boxed
> ingredients and bake them, make a big deal about how wonderful it is to
> serve a "home-cooked" meal. What crap.
>
> For a while there, some brand of frozen pancakes or something was
> running an ad with a mother saying that no matter how hectic life got,
> she made sure her kids got a "hot breakfast." Right. Because a bunch
> of white flour and hydrogenated shortening, warmed up in the toaster, is
> a better breakfast than, say, a couple of string cheese sticks, or some
> plain yogurt with vanilla, sweetener, and some fruit stirred in. Uh-huh.
You're proselytizing again. For some people, pancakes ARE better than
dairy.
> In the classic vegetarian cookbook _Laurel's Kitchen_, the authors talk
> about processed food advertising, and how it gave women a double message
> -- "You love your family, and want to show your love with good,
> home-cooked, nourishing food. But God forbid you should actually *cook*
> that food! That's way too much work. No, no, you want to show your
> love with our wonderful processed crap."
>
> Sadly, it works.
Yeah, but snarking aside, it works because people really are short of
time, particularly people with kids. And partly, I think, because a lot
of people don't really know how simple it can be to assemble a meal out
of actual ingredients. But you can't expect Kraft to teach them that.
Kraft isn't a public service org, it's a company trying maximize profit
on boxed dinners.
Mary
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try to get them right -- the Chinese are the ones who have trouble with
the "r" sound. The Japanese have trouble with "l," but can say "r" just
fine, as evidenced by such well-known Japanese names as Akira Kurosawa,
Toshiro Mifune, and Hirohito.
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>John Hatpin <use...@jfhgetridofthisbitopkin.kaandthisbittooroo.co.uk>
>wrote in news:s6gbh2lj202qjs4av...@4ax.com:
>
>> Oh, and you have to talk like a Pilate. That's a Japanese buccaneer
>> who washes his hands a lot.
>
>If you must indulge in jokes about the way those funny foreigners speak,
>try to get them right -- the Chinese are the ones who have trouble with
>the "r" sound. The Japanese have trouble with "l," but can say "r" just
>fine, as evidenced by such well-known Japanese names as Akira Kurosawa,
>Toshiro Mifune, and Hirohito.
Funnily enough, I originally typed 'Chinese', thought about it and
changed it because I thought I'd got it all backwards. You're
correct, of course.
And thanks for the reminder of Kurosawa - it's time to watch "Dersu
Uzala" again. Or maybe "Yume". Or "Rashomon". I don't think I have
any others of his, but I love those three.
Not so keen on Hirohito, though.
--
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K_S_ONeill
I hate people who Plug the Obvious, but here goes; a great night can be
had by watching, one right after the other, Seven Samurai and The
Magnificent Seven. Really.
Also, I think The Hidden Fortress is much underrated, I count it among
his best. And Throne of Blood, that's amazing. I'm not so much about
Ran. I like Red Beard a lot, and Shubun a lot, it's quite a change
from his samurai stuff.
Man. I my go find a list of every movie he ever made an put them all
on Netfilx, one after the other. I really may. So there.
> Not so keen on Hirohito, though.
Did you know they called Kurosawa "The Emperor" behind his back?
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Ulo Melton
>And thanks for the reminder of Kurosawa - it's time to watch "Dersu
>Uzala" again. Or maybe "Yume". Or "Rashomon". I don't think I have
>any others of his, but I love those three.
>
>Not so keen on Hirohito, though.
He did the first version of "Pearl Harbor," right?
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>John Hatpin wrote:
>>And thanks for the reminder of Kurosawa - it's time to watch "Dersu
>>Uzala" again. Or maybe "Yume". Or "Rashomon". I don't think I have
>>any others of his, but I love those three.
>>
>>Not so keen on Hirohito, though.
>He did the first version of "Pearl Harbor," right?
I didn't know he wa German.
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Ulo Melton
>In <k5pdh2pn3u2gak8g1...@4ax.com> Ulo Melton <melt...@sewergator.com> writes:
>
>>John Hatpin wrote:
>
>>>And thanks for the reminder of Kurosawa - it's time to watch "Dersu
>>>Uzala" again. Or maybe "Yume". Or "Rashomon". I don't think I have
>>>any others of his, but I love those three.
>>>
>>>Not so keen on Hirohito, though.
>
>>He did the first version of "Pearl Harbor," right?
>
>I didn't know he wa German.
You're thinking of Herr Ohito.
John Hatpin
>John Hatpin wrote:
>
>>And thanks for the reminder of Kurosawa - it's time to watch "Dersu
>>Uzala" again. Or maybe "Yume". Or "Rashomon". I don't think I have
>>any others of his, but I love those three.
>>
>>Not so keen on Hirohito, though.
>
>He did the first version of "Pearl Harbor," right?
He didn't do it right, but he could have done it more badly.
Oh, wait ... I missed your comma there.
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B.Lanc
>Right. Because a bunch
> of white flour and hydrogenated shortening, warmed up in the toaster, is
> a better breakfast than, say, a couple of string cheese sticks, or some
> plain yogurt with vanilla, sweetener, and some fruit stirred in. Uh-huh.
>
Yogurt is okay, but string cheese is pretty high in fat content. "A
couple" would be too high in calories and fat for most people. Plus,
since two would not be very filling, they would probably over-consume
something else less healthy.
Dana Carpender
B.Lanc wrote:
Beg to disagree. First of all, I'm completely unconvinced that a low
fat diet has any value whatsoever. Secondly, because of the fat and
protein, and extremely low glycemic impact, a couple of ounces of string
cheese is likely to satisfy hunger far longer than any highly processed
carbohydrate. Or even a less processed carbohydrate, like oatmeal.
Third, two ounces of string cheese (which generally runs about 1 ounce
per stick) has about 160 calories and 14 grams of protein. 12 grams fat.
2 frozen buttermilk pancakes will have 328 calories and 7.89 grams
protein. 7.5 grams fat -- but that's before you put butter and syrup on
'em; it's pretty rare to eat pancakes plain. And while I couldn't
google up the ingredient list for the frozen pancakes, I'd be willing to
bet the fat in them is of far worse quality than that in the cheese --
even if it's not hydrogenated, it's likely to be cheap soy oil or
something of the like. By comparison the butterfat in cheese is a real
nutritional bargain.
Dana
John Hatpin
>John Hatpin wrote:
>>
>> And thanks for the reminder of Kurosawa - it's time to watch "Dersu
>> Uzala" again. Or maybe "Yume". Or "Rashomon". I don't think I have
>> any others of his, but I love those three.
>
>I hate people who Plug the Obvious, but here goes; a great night can be
>had by watching, one right after the other, Seven Samurai and The
>Magnificent Seven. Really.
>
>Also, I think The Hidden Fortress is much underrated, I count it among
>his best. And Throne of Blood, that's amazing. I'm not so much about
>Ran. I like Red Beard a lot, and Shubun a lot, it's quite a change
>from his samurai stuff.
He's very prolific and all that, but I'm not interested so much in the
martial-arts-based stuff - it just doesn't press my "nice" buttons.
Thanks for the other recommendations.
Oh, and I've got "Ikuru" too, and loved it last time I watched.
>Man. I my go find a list of every movie he ever made an put them all
>on Netfilx, one after the other. I really may. So there.
I don't have anything like Netflix, unfortunately. What's here is
what's here.
>> Not so keen on Hirohito, though.
>
>Did you know they called Kurosawa "The Emperor" behind his back?
What did they call him in front of his back?
Seriously, though, I didn't know that. Why did he get that monicker?
--
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Kim
> Anny Middon wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> (As an amusing sidenote -- Jewel [local Albertson's] in their ad
>> this week promoted having a home-cooked meal for the family. To aid
>> in this, they're offering a free Country Crock heat-and-eat side
>> dish with the purchase of a Tyson heat-and-eat entree. "Home-cooked" sure
>> don't mean what it useta.)
>
>
> Yup. Stuff like "Homestyle Bakes," where you just assemble the boxed
> ingredients and bake them, make a big deal about how wonderful it is
> to serve a "home-cooked" meal. What crap.
They are crap. I tried them once, and they suck. Of course, I generally
don't like the taste of boxed stuff, all that Hot Pockets and Hamburger
Helper stuff tastes really, really nasty to me. Hubby *loves* Hamburger
Helper, though, and he considers it a real treat if I make him some. But the
Homestyle Bakes stuff even he didn't like.
And I didn't find it considerably easier than making the stuff from scratch,
either. I tried the chicken and dumplings one, and the end result was nasty
tasting, and since it had to be cooked like 60 minutes, I really could have
just made the home made stuff just as easily.
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Kim
Well, you know, I really agree with this. Some of the younger kids *don't*
know how easy it is to make stuff. When I was staying with my Aunt, my
cousin fed her kids those frozen chocolate chip waffles and pancakes almost
every morning. Now, I had problems with this on many levels, but mostly on
the $$$$ level - those things are terribly expensive for someone living on
Food Coupons, you know? A box of Bisquick is like a dollar, and can make a
shit load of pancakes and waffles. Besides the fact that even though you
aren't making the batter from scratch, it has to be better for the kids than
that frozen crap.
So I dug out the waffle iron one morning and said "Look, Samantha, Let me
make the kids breakfast." And I made them waffles. Number one, they loved
that they were *hot* - those frozen things don't hold heat for some reason,
and they get cold two minutes after they come out of the toaster. Number 2:
The kids didn't need to eat as many to get full as they did with the frozen
ones, and Number 3: The kids said they tasted a hell of a lot better - and I
didn't even put chocolate chips in them.
Samantha was totally amazed at how *easy* it was to make waffles. She had no
idea. No one had ever shown her how before, and she had no clue as to how to
make waffles. To her, waffles were something that only came frozen.
And I don't buy that "Oh, but the frozen stuff is so easy and so much
faster - I don't have *time* to make breakfast" line. It's not *that* much
faster. Maybe I'm just really good at whipping up waffles, but I can do it
in 5 minutes, not that much longer than it takes to toast the frozen ones.
And what's wrong with getting up 10 minutes earlier to make breakfast *with*
your kids? Let them help, they are learning something, spending time with
you, and doing something fun. Unlike Samantha, my boys *can* make waffles
and pancakes because they'd been doing it with me since they were old enough
to sit on the counter.
But to give Samantha credit - she really did make her own waffles (and
pancakes after I showed her how) most mornings after that.
Hactar
Kim <72flhtak...@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
>
> So I dug out the waffle iron one morning and said "Look, Samantha, Let me
> make the kids breakfast." And I made them waffles. Number one, they loved
> that they were *hot* - those frozen things don't hold heat for some reason,
> and they get cold two minutes after they come out of the toaster. Number 2:
> The kids didn't need to eat as many to get full as they did with the frozen
> ones, and Number 3: The kids said they tasted a hell of a lot better - and I
> didn't even put chocolate chips in them.
My dad used to make waffles from scratch (dozens at a time, freeze most
of them), but he burnt out several waffle irons (heating element
failure). He eventually went to frozen stuff as it was too much
hassle/expense buying new irons and repairing broken ones. He might
have been buying cheaply-made ones, I don't know -- that wouldn't have
been out of character.
He's on this "no grains" kick now, so no more waffles. Bread machine
either.
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Hactar wrote:
> In article <12hi8pk...@corp.supernews.com>,
> Kim <72flhtak...@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>So I dug out the waffle iron one morning and said "Look, Samantha, Let me
>>make the kids breakfast." And I made them waffles. Number one, they loved
>>that they were *hot* - those frozen things don't hold heat for some reason,
>>and they get cold two minutes after they come out of the toaster. Number 2:
>>The kids didn't need to eat as many to get full as they did with the frozen
>>ones, and Number 3: The kids said they tasted a hell of a lot better - and I
>>didn't even put chocolate chips in them.
>
>
> My dad used to make waffles from scratch (dozens at a time, freeze most
> of them), but he burnt out several waffle irons (heating element
> failure). He eventually went to frozen stuff as it was too much
> hassle/expense buying new irons and repairing broken ones. He might
> have been buying cheaply-made ones, I don't know -- that wouldn't have
> been out of character.
>
> He's on this "no grains" kick now, so no more waffles. Bread machine
> either.
>
If he'd like a recipe for low carb pancake-and-waffle mix, let me know.
Dana
ra...@westnet.poe.com
> In article <12hi8pk...@corp.supernews.com>,
> Kim <72flhtak...@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > So I dug out the waffle iron one morning and said "Look, Samantha, Let me
> > make the kids breakfast." And I made them waffles. Number one, they loved
> > that they were *hot* - those frozen things don't hold heat for some reason,
> > and they get cold two minutes after they come out of the toaster. Number 2:
> > The kids didn't need to eat as many to get full as they did with the frozen
> > ones, and Number 3: The kids said they tasted a hell of a lot better - and I
> > didn't even put chocolate chips in them.
> My dad used to make waffles from scratch (dozens at a time, freeze most
> of them), but he burnt out several waffle irons (heating element
> failure). He eventually went to frozen stuff as it was too much
> hassle/expense buying new irons and repairing broken ones. He might
> have been buying cheaply-made ones, I don't know -- that wouldn't have
> been out of character.
I do the same, but my waffle irons don't burn out.
But I disagree: making waffles is a huge hassle. Messy and annoying. The
frozen things are great, which is why I'd even consider buying them.
Buying five minutes for a couple of bucks? Depending on the five minutes,
I'd pay loads more.
> He's on this "no grains" kick now, so no more waffles. Bread machine
> either.
Ditto, these are for the kids.
John
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> And I don't buy that "Oh, but the frozen stuff is so easy and so much
> faster - I don't have *time* to make breakfast" line. It's not *that* much
> faster. Maybe I'm just really good at whipping up waffles, but I can do it
> in 5 minutes, not that much longer than it takes to toast the frozen ones.
Kim, I'm going to have to disagree with you again, here. You gotta stop
making this a habit.
The thing with the frozen waffles(or any convenience food) is that it's five
minutes you can do something else. I can pop the waffles in the toaster
and go back to getting dressed or whatever, and come back to find them done.
If I make them, I have to drag the stuff out, whip them up, cook them,
then eat them and clean up. Or leave the mess for later, which I hate to
do anyhow.
I don't eat that junk, anyhow, as during the week it's pretty much toast
and peanut butter for me. But I don't think that the entire time from
the beginning of the process to the end is anywhere near the same.
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Geahan<pmgeah...@thepatcave.org> wrote:
>Kim <72flhtak...@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> And I don't buy that "Oh, but the frozen stuff is so easy and so much
>> faster - I don't have *time* to make breakfast" line. It's not *that* much
>> faster. Maybe I'm just really good at whipping up waffles, but I can do it
>> in 5 minutes, not that much longer than it takes to toast the frozen ones.
>
>Kim, I'm going to have to disagree with you again, here. You gotta stop
>making this a habit.
>
>The thing with the frozen waffles(or any convenience food) is that it's five
>minutes you can do something else. I can pop the waffles in the toaster
>and go back to getting dressed or whatever, and come back to find them done.
>If I make them, I have to drag the stuff out, whip them up, cook them,
>then eat them and clean up. Or leave the mess for later, which I hate to
>do anyhow.
>
>I don't eat that junk, anyhow, as during the week it's pretty much toast
>and peanut butter for me. But I don't think that the entire time from
>the beginning of the process to the end is anywhere near the same.
What's easy, is preparing a large batch on the weekend and freezing or
refrigerating the rest. Zap or toast during the week. You can even put
peanut butter on them.
Boron
B.Lanc
pancakes w/ butter and syrup. But for me, the cheese would be worse
than fruit and yogurt, or whole grain cereal.
Have you heard of Volumetrics, or the concept of energy density of
food? That is what has been working for me, where the low-carb did
not.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/weight-loss/NU00195
B. Lanc
Les Albert
Geahan<pmgeah...@thepatcave.org> wrote:
> .....
>The thing with the frozen waffles(or any convenience food) is that it's five
>minutes you can do something else. I can pop the waffles in the toaster
>and go back to getting dressed or whatever, and come back to find them done.
>If I make them, I have to drag the stuff out, whip them up, cook them,
>then eat them and clean up. Or leave the mess for later, which I hate to
>do anyhow.
> .....
Wow, five minutes that you can do something else. You might want to
do some of the time saving things in the song from "The Pajama Game":
I'm a time study man, and a time study man can't waste time.
For a time study man to waste time,is a crime.
So I'm ruled by the tick tick tock.
And I live my life by the clock.
I live my life by the tick tick tock of the clock.
When I go to sleep, I don't undress.
That's right, I sleep in all my clothes.
I must confess.
Sure it's a strange way to behave.
And I will admit that the suit gets mussed
and it gathers lint and it picks up dust,
but think of the time I save.
The alarm clock rings, it's 6 AM.
And then right there in bed I shave.
That's what I said. while I am still in bed, I shave.
And the lather drips and the bed gets wet
and oh what a lousy shave I get,
But think of the time I save.
At breakfast time, I grab a bowl.
And in the bowl I drop an egg, and add some juice.
A poor excuse for what I crave.
And then I add some oatmeal too
and it comes out tasting just like glue,
But think of the time I save.
I'll be sitting counting seconds til the day I die.
And when I do, I have a plan.
Before I'm dead, I'll dig my grave.
That's what I said. Before I'm dead I'll dig my grave.
Because when St. Peter calls my name,
I know I'll get there just the same
but think of the time I'll save.
Les
Kim
> Kim <72flhtak...@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> And I don't buy that "Oh, but the frozen stuff is so easy and so much
>> faster - I don't have *time* to make breakfast" line. It's not
>> *that* much faster. Maybe I'm just really good at whipping up
>> waffles, but I can do it in 5 minutes, not that much longer than it
>> takes to toast the frozen ones.
>
> Kim, I'm going to have to disagree with you again, here. You gotta
> stop making this a habit.
Ok - I'll try!
>
> The thing with the frozen waffles(or any convenience food) is that
> it's five minutes you can do something else. I can pop the waffles
> in the toaster and go back to getting dressed or whatever, and come
> back to find them done. If I make them, I have to drag the stuff out,
> whip them up, cook them,
> then eat them and clean up. Or leave the mess for later, which I
> hate to do anyhow.
This is true. But, then again, I *liked* making breakfast with the kids. And
we'd get up a little earlier to do it together. Just as some people in that
other thread are talking about the family dinner table, we also had the
family breakfast table, and to me, popping an Eggo in the toaster isn't
"breakfast". I hate crappy boxed foods, and even though when my kids were
teenagers they got downright hooked on those hot pocket things, I made sure
they were never a "meal".
>
> I don't eat that junk, anyhow, as during the week it's pretty much
> toast and peanut butter for me. But I don't think that the entire
> time from
> the beginning of the process to the end is anywhere near the same.
To me the extra time was worth it. I loved the whole experience of making
breakfast with the kids in the morning. I can't imagine being *so* rushed in
the morning that throwing my kid a Carnation Oatmeal bar was the best I
could do for breakfast. Get up earlier. Or go to bed earlier - or something.
I don't know - maybe I had it easy when my kids were little, but I don't
remember being that rushed and pressured to get out the door in the morning.
And I don't remember being so exhausted at the end of the day that I had to
make Homestyle Bakes or Hamburger Helper, either. Maybe some people find
that they are that rushed.
Or maybe it's just what you are used to. There were 8 kids in my family when
I was growing up, and we all helped make breakfast and sat down together,
too. We never had boxed crap, and cereal was a real treat. It was always
some combination of pancakes, eggs, bacon, toast, waffles, omelets, that
kind of stuff.
Dana Carpender
B.Lanc wrote:
They hardly invented it. The whole theory behind a low fat diet for
weight loss was that it would let you eat a greater volume of food for
fewer calories. Only problem for me was it made me ravenously hungry
all the time. Well, and gave me nasty energy swings, and
borderline-high blood pressure.
Dana
>
Dover Beach
news:ijvnu3-...@www.thepatcave.org:
> Kim <72flhtak...@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> And I don't buy that "Oh, but the frozen stuff is so easy and so much
>> faster - I don't have *time* to make breakfast" line. It's not *that*
>> much faster. Maybe I'm just really good at whipping up waffles, but I
>> can do it in 5 minutes, not that much longer than it takes to toast
>> the frozen ones.
>
> Kim, I'm going to have to disagree with you again, here. You gotta
> stop making this a habit.
>
> The thing with the frozen waffles(or any convenience food) is that
> it's five minutes you can do something else. I can pop the waffles in
> the toaster and go back to getting dressed or whatever, and come back
> to find them done. If I make them, I have to drag the stuff out, whip
> them up, cook them, then eat them and clean up. Or leave the mess for
> later, which I hate to do anyhow.
>
> I don't eat that junk, anyhow, as during the week it's pretty much
> toast and peanut butter for me. But I don't think that the entire
> time from the beginning of the process to the end is anywhere near the
> same.
>
We haven't done a recipe thread lately, have we? Let's do a "favorite
quick, easy, and reasonably healthy recipe" thread.
This is one I use pretty regularly -- it's from Better Homes and
Gardens. They have some decent crockpot recipes.
Ingredients
* 1 pound boneless beef round steak, cut 3/4 to 1 inch thick
* Salt and black pepper
* 1 tablespoon cooking oil
* 3 tablespoons Italian-style tomato paste
* 1 14-1/2-ounce can Italian-style stewed tomatoes, undrained
* 1 teaspoon Worcestershire sauce
* 1 16-ounce package frozen pepper stir-fry vegetables (yellow,
green, and red peppers and onion)
Directions
1. Trim fat from heat. Cut meat into 4 serving-size pieces; sprinkle
lightly with salt and black pepper. In a large skillet, brown meat on
both sides in hot oil. Transfer to a 3-1/2- or 4-quart electric crockery
cooker.
2. In a medium bowl, stir together undrained tomatoes, tomato paste, and
Worcestershire sauce; pour over meat in crockery cooker. Top with frozen
vegetables. Cover and cook on high-heat setting for 5 to 6 hours or
until meat and vegetables are tender. (Or, cover and cook on low-heat
setting 10 to 12 hours). Serves 4.
I generally pair this with either pasta or rice and a salad. Look for
"organic" brands of stewed tomatoes that don't have high-fructose corn
syrup.
--
Dover
Hactar
Dana Carpender <dcar...@kivanospam.net> wrote:
>
> Hactar wrote:
>
> > My dad used to make waffles from scratch (dozens at a time, freeze most
> > of them), but he burnt out several waffle irons (heating element
> > failure). He eventually went to frozen stuff as it was too much
> > hassle/expense buying new irons and repairing broken ones. He might
> > have been buying cheaply-made ones, I don't know -- that wouldn't have
> > been out of character.
> >
> > He's on this "no grains" kick now, so no more waffles. Bread machine
> > either.
>
> If he'd like a recipe for low carb pancake-and-waffle mix, let me know.
I'll let him know. Thanks.
--
-eben QebWe...@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81
Answer: two spoonfuls in my cup, please.
Question: how much should I use? (why top-posting is bad)
http://www.fscked.co.uk/writing/top-posting-cuss.html
Hactar
<ra...@westnet.poe.com> wrote:
> Hactar <ebenZ...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > In article <12hi8pk...@corp.supernews.com>,
> > Kim <72flhtak...@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > So I dug out the waffle iron one morning and said "Look, Samantha, Let me
> > > make the kids breakfast." And I made them waffles. Number one, they loved
> > > that they were *hot* - those frozen things don't hold heat for some reason,
> > > and they get cold two minutes after they come out of the toaster. Number 2:
> > > The kids didn't need to eat as many to get full as they did with the frozen
> > > ones, and Number 3: The kids said they tasted a hell of a lot better
> - and I
> > > didn't even put chocolate chips in them.
>
> > My dad used to make waffles from scratch (dozens at a time, freeze most
> > of them), but he burnt out several waffle irons (heating element
> > failure). He eventually went to frozen stuff as it was too much
> > hassle/expense buying new irons and repairing broken ones. He might
> > have been buying cheaply-made ones, I don't know -- that wouldn't have
> > been out of character.
>
> I do the same, but my waffle irons don't burn out.
Huh. I wonder what the difference was. Um, the irons here had a
removable surface, pancake one side and four waffles the other. Is that
standard?
> But I disagree: making waffles is a huge hassle. Messy and annoying.
Oh yeah. There was debris on several square yards of counter space.
--
-eben QebWe...@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81
This message was created using recycled electrons.
ra...@westnet.poe.com
> In article <45194e34$0$19914$6c5e...@news.westnet.com>,
> <ra...@westnet.poe.com> wrote:
<snip>
> > > My dad used to make waffles from scratch (dozens at a time, freeze most
> > > of them), but he burnt out several waffle irons (heating element
> > > failure). He eventually went to frozen stuff as it was too much
> > > hassle/expense buying new irons and repairing broken ones. He might
> > > have been buying cheaply-made ones, I don't know -- that wouldn't have
> > > been out of character.
> >
> > I do the same, but my waffle irons don't burn out.
> Huh. I wonder what the difference was. Um, the irons here had a
> removable surface, pancake one side and four waffles the other. Is that
> standard?
Nope, this is a plastic housed unit that onlymakes two square waffles at
pressing.
> > But I disagree: making waffles is a huge hassle. Messy and annoying.
> Oh yeah. There was debris on several square yards of counter space.
Which is why I like to make a tripple batch: but then the thing is that
the kids rip through 'em if they're there, pretty much having nothing but
waffles 3 meals a day plus snacks untill they're gone.
Patrick M Geahan
> This is true. But, then again, I *liked* making breakfast with the kids.
Well, sure, there's a whole intangible benefit to anything. My girlfriend
and I made breakfast together on Sunday, which is a different experience
than if I was alone.
Specifically, I was referring to the assertion that frozen waffles take
just as much time as from-scratch waffles.
> To me the extra time was worth it. I loved the whole experience of making
> breakfast with the kids in the morning. I can't imagine being *so* rushed in
> the morning that throwing my kid a Carnation Oatmeal bar was the best I
> could do for breakfast. Get up earlier. Or go to bed earlier - or something.
Sure, if you're inclined to do that sort of thing. I mean, perhaps if I had
kids, or if my girlfriend got up anywhere near as early as I did, we'd
consider eating breakfast together.
> Or maybe it's just what you are used to. There were 8 kids in my family when
> I was growing up, and we all helped make breakfast and sat down together,
> too. We never had boxed crap, and cereal was a real treat. It was always
> some combination of pancakes, eggs, bacon, toast, waffles, omelets, that
> kind of stuff.
I've never been a huge breakfast fan; I mean, I like breakfast foods, but
I often find that's not the best way for me to start my day. It usually
ends up leaving me a bit lethargic.
Dana Carpender
Hactar wrote:
> In article <45194e34$0$19914$6c5e...@news.westnet.com>,
> <ra...@westnet.poe.com> wrote:
>
>>Hactar <ebenZ...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <12hi8pk...@corp.supernews.com>,
>>>Kim <72flhtak...@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>So I dug out the waffle iron one morning and said "Look, Samantha, Let me
>>>>make the kids breakfast." And I made them waffles. Number one, they loved
>>>>that they were *hot* - those frozen things don't hold heat for some reason,
>>>>and they get cold two minutes after they come out of the toaster. Number 2:
>>>>The kids didn't need to eat as many to get full as they did with the frozen
>>>>ones, and Number 3: The kids said they tasted a hell of a lot better
>>
>>- and I
>>
>>>>didn't even put chocolate chips in them.
>>
>>>My dad used to make waffles from scratch (dozens at a time, freeze most
>>>of them), but he burnt out several waffle irons (heating element
>>>failure). He eventually went to frozen stuff as it was too much
>>>hassle/expense buying new irons and repairing broken ones. He might
>>>have been buying cheaply-made ones, I don't know -- that wouldn't have
>>>been out of character.
>>
>>I do the same, but my waffle irons don't burn out.
>
>
> Huh. I wonder what the difference was. Um, the irons here had a
> removable surface, pancake one side and four waffles the other. Is that
> standard?
Nope. Most waffle irons are dedicated, so to speak.
Dana
Dana Carpender
Patrick M Geahan wrote:
> Kim <72flhtak...@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>>This is true. But, then again, I *liked* making breakfast with the kids.
>
>
> Well, sure, there's a whole intangible benefit to anything. My girlfriend
> and I made breakfast together on Sunday, which is a different experience
> than if I was alone.
>
> Specifically, I was referring to the assertion that frozen waffles take
> just as much time as from-scratch waffles.
>
>
>>To me the extra time was worth it. I loved the whole experience of making
>>breakfast with the kids in the morning. I can't imagine being *so* rushed in
>>the morning that throwing my kid a Carnation Oatmeal bar was the best I
>>could do for breakfast. Get up earlier. Or go to bed earlier - or something.
>
>
> Sure, if you're inclined to do that sort of thing. I mean, perhaps if I had
> kids, or if my girlfriend got up anywhere near as early as I did, we'd
> consider eating breakfast together.
>
>
>>Or maybe it's just what you are used to. There were 8 kids in my family when
>>I was growing up, and we all helped make breakfast and sat down together,
>>too. We never had boxed crap, and cereal was a real treat. It was always
>>some combination of pancakes, eggs, bacon, toast, waffles, omelets, that
>>kind of stuff.
>
>
> I've never been a huge breakfast fan; I mean, I like breakfast foods, but
> I often find that's not the best way for me to start my day. It usually
> ends up leaving me a bit lethargic.
>
>
Um, dude -- it's the carbs.
Dana
B.Lanc
Dover Beach wrote:
> We haven't done a recipe thread lately, have we? Let's do a "favorite
> quick, easy, and reasonably healthy recipe" thread.
>
Your recipe sounds good - here's what we had last night.
Marinara Sauce
2-5 cloves garlic, diced
1 large yellow onion, chopped
5-7 lbs fresh tomatoes, quartered
In 8-12 qt pot:
Saute' onion in olive oil until clear - add garlic about half way
through.
Add tomatoes. Season with salt, pepper, red pepper flakes, Italian
seasoning. Add 1/2 - 1 tsp of sugar if the tomatoes are very acidic.
Bring to low boil and simmner, covered for 45 mins., uncovered for
15-20 mins to reduce.
This is incredibly easy to make and is awesome if you like tomatoes.
We serve this over (gasp!) linguine and with a side salad.
B. Lanc.
Dover Beach
> Kim <72flhtak...@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> This is true. But, then again, I *liked* making breakfast with the
>> kids.
>
> Well, sure, there's a whole intangible benefit to anything. My
> girlfriend and I made breakfast together on Sunday, which is a
> different experience than if I was alone.
>
Several references to your girlfriend. Is this the old girlfriend or a
recently-acquired girlfriend?
--
Dover
Dana Carpender
B.Lanc wrote:
I made mulligatawny, which we tend to call smelligayummy, 'cause it
smells (and tastes) so yummy.
Saute an chopped onion, a shredded carrot, a couple of diced celery
ribs, and a couple of crushed cloves of garlic in butter or coconut oil
(I used a blend of the two) in the bottom of your soup pot. When
they're getting soft, add a good big whack of curry powder -- I'm
betting I used a couple of tablespoons. Saute a couple more minutes.
Then I added about a quart and a half of homemade chicken broth, a diced
apple, about a half a teaspoon of dried thyme, and a modest shot of
lemon juice. (Grated lemon zest is better, but I didn't have an actual
lemon on hand.) Diced up a couple of boneless, skinless breasts I
needed to use up before they went bad, and throw them in, too. Simmer
till the veg and apple are soft.
Stir in a can of coconut milk. I thickened it a little with guar, too.
Salt and pepper to taste, and yum it down.
Dana
Boron Elgar
<dcar...@kivanospam.net> wrote:
>
>Nope. Most waffle irons are dedicated, so to speak.
>
>Dana
The best waffle iron I ever had was a GE combo unit that had
reversible grids. The other side was flat and the unit could be used
with both sides flat for pancakes, eggs, or closed over for making
toasted sammies. The hinge floated, IIRC.
I had mine for many years & it "poofed" one day & needed an electrical
part. Heating element, perhaps? I cannot recall. By that time, GE had
sold its appliance division to Black & Decker and they were no help
whatsoever. My ex MIL still has her GE, though, and it must be over 35
years old.
I should look around on eBay and see if I can find another one.
I currently use a Villaware waffle iron that is pure perfection, so it
isn't as if I need another one.
Boron
Patrick M Geahan
> Um, dude -- it's the carbs.
I doubt that, considering:
a. My current non-sleepy breakfast is primarily bread.
b. My normal heavy breakfast is eggs and sausage.
Kim
> Dana Carpender <dcar...@kivanospam.net> wrote:
>
>> Um, dude -- it's the carbs.
>
> I doubt that, considering:
>
> a. My current non-sleepy breakfast is primarily bread.
>
> b. My normal heavy breakfast is eggs and sausage.
Same for me. If it's Sunday and I make a big breakfast for hubby, which
usually is eggs and sausage or omelets and bacon or something, I eat and get
terribly sleepy and run down.
On the other hand, if I have my "normal" breakfast of oatmeal or english
muffins, I'm fine all day.
Blinky the Shark
> Dana Carpender <dcar...@kivanospam.net> wrote:
>
>> Um, dude -- it's the carbs.
>
> I doubt that, considering:
>
> a. My current non-sleepy breakfast is primarily bread.
>
> b. My normal heavy breakfast is eggs and sausage.
When all you carry is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. :)
--
Blinky RLU 297263
Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html
Kim
> On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:28:57 -0400, Dana Carpender
> <dcar...@kivanospam.net> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Nope. Most waffle irons are dedicated, so to speak.
>>
>> Dana
>
> The best waffle iron I ever had was a GE combo unit that had
> reversible grids. The other side was flat and the unit could be used
> with both sides flat for pancakes, eggs, or closed over for making
> toasted sammies. The hinge floated, IIRC.
That sounds like mine, which is a GE unit. Was it red and white? Mine is red
and white.
> I currently use a Villaware waffle iron that is pure perfection, so it
> isn't as if I need another one.
I have a Villaware one, too, that was my Aunt's. I don't like it as well as
the GE one, because it's heavier and doesn't have the flat side for making
an egg while you are making the waffles. It's the "dedicated waffle maker"
kind.
Patrick M Geahan
> Several references to your girlfriend. Is this the old girlfriend or a
> recently-acquired girlfriend?
Recently acquired but long known. One of those situations that would
make a great sitcom or dramedy.
Boron Elgar
<72flhtak...@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
>Boron Elgar wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:28:57 -0400, Dana Carpender
>> <dcar...@kivanospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Nope. Most waffle irons are dedicated, so to speak.
>>>
>>> Dana
>>
>> The best waffle iron I ever had was a GE combo unit that had
>> reversible grids. The other side was flat and the unit could be used
>> with both sides flat for pancakes, eggs, or closed over for making
>> toasted sammies. The hinge floated, IIRC.
>
>That sounds like mine, which is a GE unit. Was it red and white? Mine is red
>and white.
As I recall, it was chromed. PITA to keep clean, too. Here it is on
eBay. Mine had the Teflon - the old crummy kind, though. My MIL's had
no Teflon, which is why it lasted this long.
Sheesh...it is already bid higher than I paid for it new.
>
>> I currently use a Villaware waffle iron that is pure perfection, so it
>> isn't as if I need another one.
>
>I have a Villaware one, too, that was my Aunt's. I don't like it as well as
>the GE one, because it's heavier and doesn't have the flat side for making
>an egg while you are making the waffles. It's the "dedicated waffle maker"
>kind.
The Villaware is heavy, but I do not have the rectangular one. I have
the round one that does one round waffle at a time. It has a light
that tells you it is heated up & it beeps when the waffle is cooked
and it is unerringly correct (so far).
>
We have a separate flat griddle, so while The Hub is making waffles at
teh table, I am over at the smooth-top range with the electric griddle
making eggs or accommodating a kid who wanted pancakes instead of
waffles.
The bacon and sausage gets done in the microwave.
It takes all these appliances because you know how teenage boys inhale
huge amounts of food.
Boron
Mary
Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:18:20 -0400, "Kim"
> <72flhtak...@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >Boron Elgar wrote:
> >> On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:28:57 -0400, Dana Carpender
> >> <dcar...@kivanospam.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Nope. Most waffle irons are dedicated, so to speak.
> >>>
> >>> Dana
> >>
> >> The best waffle iron I ever had was a GE combo unit that had
> >> reversible grids. The other side was flat and the unit could be used
> >> with both sides flat for pancakes, eggs, or closed over for making
> >> toasted sammies. The hinge floated, IIRC.
> >
> >That sounds like mine, which is a GE unit. Was it red and white? Mine is red
> >and white.
>
> As I recall, it was chromed. PITA to keep clean, too. Here it is on
> eBay. Mine had the Teflon - the old crummy kind, though. My MIL's had
> no Teflon, which is why it lasted this long.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/m6rm2
>
> Sheesh...it is already bid higher than I paid for it new.
Oh, that's our waffle iron. It does have the old crummy Teflon but
even though it's full of scratches, the waffles still don't stick. We
bought a new waffle iron once about five years ago and ended up keeping
this one instead. It just works better.
Mary
Veronique
Kim wrote:
> And I didn't find it considerably easier than making the stuff from scratch,
> either. I tried the chicken and dumplings one, and the end result was nasty
> tasting, and since it had to be cooked like 60 minutes, I really could have
> just made the home made stuff just as easily.
That's what astonishes me, that you end up spending at least as long as
if you've asssembled the thing from scratch, and the ingredients aren't
as good, and it doesn't taste right. Cake mixes always amused me,
because the only thing the mix "saved" you was measuring out flour,
sugar, and baking powder. And how difficult and time consuming is that?
V.
--
Veronique Chez Sheep
Veronique
Patrick M Geahan wrote:
> Dover Beach <moon.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Several references to your girlfriend. Is this the old girlfriend or a
> > recently-acquired girlfriend?
>
> Recently acquired but long known. One of those situations that would
> make a great sitcom or dramedy.
>
But you're having fun, right?
Kim
Well, I always make cakes from scratch, just because that's the way I was
taught to make cakes. Remember, my mom owned a bakery for most of my life.
I don't like boxed cake mixes - they taste funny. I use them once in a
while, usually the carrot cake mixes, because I like those, but normally if
I make a cake, it's from scratch.
Mary
Kim wrote:
>
> Well, I always make cakes from scratch, just because that's the way I was
> taught to make cakes. Remember, my mom owned a bakery for most of my life.
>
> I don't like boxed cake mixes - they taste funny. I use them once in a
> while, usually the carrot cake mixes, because I like those, but normally if
> I make a cake, it's from scratch.
Carrot cake mixes DO save you a lot of time. Imagine if you had to
grate all those carrots.
Mary
Dover Beach
news:1159298029.5...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:
Carrot cakes are one kind of cake I do from scratch -- if you have a
food processor grating carrots is a snap.
--
Dover
Kim
Yeah, and the carrot cakes they have in the bakery at Price Chopper all have
raisins in them, and I hate raisins. But carrot cake is my favorite kind of
cake, so I'll buy the carrot cakes mixes in the box when they are on sale 10
for $10.
Boron Elgar
Food processor. Trust me. It works just fine. And no blood.
Boron
Mary
Yes, that would work. I only have a little bitty one, though. And
come to think of it I don't really eat a lot of cake anyway.
Mary
Peter Ward
Geahan<pmgeah...@thepatcave.org> wrote:
>Dover Beach <moon.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Several references to your girlfriend. Is this the old girlfriend or a
>> recently-acquired girlfriend?
>
>Recently acquired but long known. One of those situations that would
>make a great sitcom or dramedy.
How do you make a one-humped camel out of that?
--
Peter
I'm an alien
email: groups at asylum dot nildram dot co dot uk
Patrick M Geahan
> But you're having fun, right?
Oh hell yeah.
Actually, this is the first time I've seriously dated someone I've
known for this long, and it's definetly a new experience.
N Jill Marsh
<dcar...@kivanospam.net> wrote:
>
>Patrick M Geahan wrote:
>
>> I've never been a huge breakfast fan; I mean, I like breakfast foods, but
>> I often find that's not the best way for me to start my day. It usually
>> ends up leaving me a bit lethargic.
>>
>Um, dude -- it's the carbs.
Um, Dana - not necessarily.
nj"specific to general"m
--
"His eyes were of the blue of the forget-me-not, and of a profound melancholy..."
N Jill Marsh
Geahan<pmgeah...@thepatcave.org> wrote:
>Dover Beach <moon.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Several references to your girlfriend. Is this the old girlfriend or a
>> recently-acquired girlfriend?
>
>Recently acquired but long known. One of those situations that would
>make a great sitcom or dramedy.
Does your landlord think one of you is gay? Did one of you agree to
impersonate the other's fabulous partner for a reunion and you found
out that you clicked? Is there a green card involved?
nj"was glad Dover asked, so I didn't have to"m
Veronique
Just toss 'em in whole.
Dana Carpender
Mary wrote:
Never struck me as much trouble. I have a great recipe for
carrot-zucchini cake.
Dana
Dana Carpender
Dover Beach wrote:
It's not particularly rough with a box grater. Did one last night for
my soup.
Dana
Dana Carpender
Mary wrote:
My birthday's about a month away. I should start thinking about cake...
Dana
Veronique
Why not replace the carrots with cauliflower?
Dana Carpender
Veronique wrote:
Because I see no reason not to eat carrots or zucchini. The same cannot
be said of potatoes and rice.
Dana
Anny Middon
news:3Pudna0n_rNY64jY...@insightbb.com...
>
>
> Anny Middon wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> (As an amusing sidenote -- Jewel [local Albertson's] in their ad this
>> week promoted having a home-cooked meal for the family. To aid in this,
>> they're offering a free Country Crock heat-and-eat side dish with the
>> purchase of a Tyson heat-and-eat entree. "Home-cooked" sure don't mean
>> what it useta.)
>>
>
>
> Yup. Stuff like "Homestyle Bakes," where you just assemble the boxed
> ingredients and bake them, make a big deal about how wonderful it is to
> serve a "home-cooked" meal. What crap.
Never tried Homestyle Bakes, but I admit I've used the Tyson heat-and-eat
entrees on occasion. It makes for a very fast meal, faster even than
running out for fast food. They're high in sodium but otherwise not all
that bad nutritionally.
And I like the all-cooked just microwave rice, at least most of the
varieties I've tried. And the pre-washed bags of salad and ready-to-pour
salad dressings. I can empty some greens in bowls, maybe add a handful of
grape tomatoes, pour on some dressing. Then while we're eating our salads,
nuke the heat-and-eat entree and the rice.
It's not at all what I'd call a "home-cooked meal" but it is a reasonable
dinner.
I do wonder though what legitimately comprises a Home-Cooked Meal. Nearly
everyone uses some convenience foods. If you make a meat loaf and use
commercially-prepared ketchup along with the ground meat and eggs, it still
is Home-Cooked in my definition. And even if you add bagged salad with
bottled salad dressing, heat-and-eat mashed potatoes, and nuked frozen
veggies I'd still think you could call it a Home-Cooked Meal. Well, maybe.
Now I think of it, I'm not so sure.
We had a fast lunch last Saturday -- canned Sloppy Joes on store-bought
rolls. But I canned the sloppy joes myself, made the mix from ground beef
and onions and a bunch of other ingredients. Does it count as a Home-Cooked
Meal or not?
Anny
Patrick M Geahan
> Does your landlord think one of you is gay? Did one of you agree to
> impersonate the other's fabulous partner for a reunion and you found
> out that you clicked? Is there a green card involved?
No, no, not a wacky sitcom, more of a "How I Met Your Mother" or "Sports
Night".
Hactar
Dana Carpender <dcar...@kivanospam.net> wrote:
>
> Hactar wrote:
>
> > In article <45194e34$0$19914$6c5e...@news.westnet.com>,
> > <ra...@westnet.poe.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Hactar <ebenZ...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>He eventually went to frozen stuff as it was too much
> >>>hassle/expense buying new irons and repairing broken ones. He might
> >>>have been buying cheaply-made ones, I don't know -- that wouldn't have
> >>>been out of character.
> >>
> >>I do the same, but my waffle irons don't burn out.
> >
> > Huh. I wonder what the difference was. Um, the irons here had a
> > removable surface, pancake one side and four waffles the other. Is that
> > standard?
>
> Nope. Most waffle irons are dedicated, so to speak.
*cough*gadget freak*cough*
Not you.
Anyhow, it had to be four-at-a-time, otherwise it would have taken
FOREVER to make that quantity. I'm sure there are dedicated 4xwaffle
irons, and we rarely made pancakes, but he wanted the option,
y'understand? Shoulda seen him choosing an AC unit when ours died in
the summer, or picking a mattress.
--
-eben QebWe...@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.no-ip.org:81
SCORPIO: Get ready for an unexpected trip when you fall screaming
from an open window. Work a little harder on improving your low self
esteem, you stupid freak. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_
Dana Carpender
Hactar wrote:
> In article <tJGdnQWPqbsC_oTY...@insightbb.com>,
> Dana Carpender <dcar...@kivanospam.net> wrote:
>
>>Hactar wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <45194e34$0$19914$6c5e...@news.westnet.com>,
>>> <ra...@westnet.poe.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hactar <ebenZ...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>He eventually went to frozen stuff as it was too much
>>>>>hassle/expense buying new irons and repairing broken ones. He might
>>>>>have been buying cheaply-made ones, I don't know -- that wouldn't have
>>>>>been out of character.
>>>>
>>>>I do the same, but my waffle irons don't burn out.
>>>
>>>Huh. I wonder what the difference was. Um, the irons here had a
>>>removable surface, pancake one side and four waffles the other. Is that
>>>standard?
>>
>>Nope. Most waffle irons are dedicated, so to speak.
>
>
> *cough*gadget freak*cough*
>
> Not you.
>
> Anyhow, it had to be four-at-a-time, otherwise it would have taken
> FOREVER to make that quantity. I'm sure there are dedicated 4xwaffle
> irons, and we rarely made pancakes, but he wanted the option,
> y'understand? Shoulda seen him choosing an AC unit when ours died in
> the summer, or picking a mattress.
>
>
Back when I ate a lot of whole grains, I wanted one of those waffle
irons that make a big flower-shaped waffle that breaks apart into
heart-shaped waffles.
And all this talk of waffles is making me want to go make up a batch of
low carb waffle mix. Yummy.
Dana
groo
> Mary wrote:
>> >
>> > I don't like boxed cake mixes - they taste funny. I use them once
>> > in a while, usually the carrot cake mixes, because I like those,
>> > but normally if I make a cake, it's from scratch.
>>
>> Carrot cake mixes DO save you a lot of time. Imagine if you had to
>> grate all those carrots.
>
> Just toss 'em in whole.
My sister once baked an apple pie without first peeling the apples. We'll
never let her live it down.
--
YOU try finding a job when it says nothing but "fake ghost pirate" on
your resume. - From "The Venture Brothers"
darkon
> When all you carry is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. :)
What if you ARE a hammer?
Boron Elgar
<AnnyM...@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>We had a fast lunch last Saturday -- canned Sloppy Joes on store-bought
>rolls. But I canned the sloppy joes myself, made the mix from ground beef
>and onions and a bunch of other ingredients. Does it count as a Home-Cooked
>Meal or not?
>
>Anny
>
>
That even goes above and beyond a home cooked meal, Anny.
How do you can meat mixtures like that? HWB?
Boron
Mary
I'd be interested to know too, Anny, if you can share. I have a
kickass sloppy joe recipe (it involves hot sauce) and if I could make a
bunch of it and can it I think my husband would be a really happy clam.
It works really well with tofu recipe crumbles too.
Mary
Lisa Ann
news:ldgou3-...@www.thepatcave.org...
>N Jill Marsh <njm...@storm.ca> wrote:
>
>> Does your landlord think one of you is gay? Did one of you agree to
>> impersonate the other's fabulous partner for a reunion and you found
>> out that you clicked? Is there a green card involved?
>
> No, no, not a wacky sitcom, more of a "How I Met Your Mother" or "Sports
> Night".
Well, if your love life has to resemble a sitcom, those would be 2 good
choices...at least the writing is good.
Then again, didn't the guys on those shows have a lot of misunderstandings
with the women they loved? Here's hoping you have the witty repartee - but
not the angst that they did.
Lisa Ann
Rick B.
216.168.3.30:
> Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote:
>
>> When all you carry is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. :)
>
> What if you ARE a hammer?
Then I'll hammer in the morning! I'll hammer in the evening!
All over this land!
Rick "thread merge: another song that begins with the title" B.
Bob Ward
Geahan<pmgeah...@thepatcave.org> wrote:
>Dana Carpender <dcar...@kivanospam.net> wrote:
>
>> Um, dude -- it's the carbs.
>
>I doubt that, considering:
>
>a. My current non-sleepy breakfast is primarily bread.
>
>b. My normal heavy breakfast is eggs and sausage.
For Dana, it's ALWAYS about the carbs.
Dennis McClendon
> Um, dude -- it's the carbs.
OK, I'm looking for some new breakfast ideas. I grow tired of some
variation of sugar and fat on bread every day. Though I might soldier
on if I could get better bread around here.
No dairy, fruit, vegetables, or nuts for me, though. Ideas?
Veronique
I recommend Pink Himalayan Sea Salt. I'll send you some, if you like.
Patrick M Geahan
> Then again, didn't the guys on those shows have a lot of misunderstandings
> with the women they loved? Here's hoping you have the witty repartee - but
> not the angst that they did.
Sure, and so did we...I mean, I was attracted to her, and she to me, but
neither one of us knew, and there was a miscommunication as to whether
our first date was actually a date, and so we were both trying to play
it cool, but dropping broad hints as to that we were just *playing* cool...
I should call a screenwriter, that actually sounds pretty funny.
Boron Elgar
How about a nice steaming heap of string?
Boron
Kim
> On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:18:20 -0400, "Kim"
> <72flhtak...@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Boron Elgar wrote:
>>> On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:28:57 -0400, Dana Carpender
>>> <dcar...@kivanospam.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nope. Most waffle irons are dedicated, so to speak.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The best waffle iron I ever had was a GE combo unit that had
>>> reversible grids. The other side was flat and the unit could be used
>>> with both sides flat for pancakes, eggs, or closed over for making
>>> toasted sammies. The hinge floated, IIRC.
>>
>> That sounds like mine, which is a GE unit. Was it red and white?
>> Mine is red and white.
>
> As I recall, it was chromed. PITA to keep clean, too. Here it is on
> eBay. Mine had the Teflon - the old crummy kind, though. My MIL's had
> no Teflon, which is why it lasted this long.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/m6rm2
Mine looks like that, but it must be newer or something, because the top is
red and white. The red and white is why I bought it - I wanted all red and
white appliances (you've seen my kitchen).
And mine has teflon, which seems to be in good shape, nothing sticks (yet).
>
> Sheesh...it is already bid higher than I paid for it new.
I paid $3.50 for it at a garage sale.
> The Villaware is heavy, but I do not have the rectangular one. I have
> the round one that does one round waffle at a time. It has a light
> that tells you it is heated up & it beeps when the waffle is cooked
> and it is unerringly correct (so far).
The Villaware one I have is a round one, too, but it's really heavy. I hate
getting it out. I think I've only used it once or twice. It does have that
light thing, though, and it seemed to work fine, and was correct on "your
waffle is done".
Besides, it's not red and white, it's black, so, it is already set as a
"someday I am going to have a garage sale" item.
>>
> We have a separate flat griddle, so while The Hub is making waffles at
> teh table, I am over at the smooth-top range with the electric griddle
> making eggs or accommodating a kid who wanted pancakes instead of
> waffles.
I have one of those long flat electric griddle things on legs. "Countertop
griddle"? I've never used that.
>
> It takes all these appliances because you know how teenage boys inhale
> huge amounts of food.
No! Really???
--
Kim
www.attictamers.com
*What others might see as "buying my girlfriend a lap dance at the male
strip club," I prefer to think of as simply "out-sourcing my foreplay."
(Richard Skora)*
art...@yahoo.com
Kippers. And you can have mine.
Kim
Mine too! Only I'm way ahead of you - I *always* think about cake. Any
birthday cake is fine as long as it's not ice cream cake - I hate ice cream
cakes. And I would prefer the cakes bought from the grocery store because I
adore that lard frosting they put on their cakes.
And since I doubt between now and my birthday my husband is suddenly going
to graduate from learning the buttons on the microwave to learning how to
bake a cake, it's probably going to be store bought cake with lard frosting
for me! WooHOO!
And now that I think about it, last year the little old lady across the
street made me a homemade carrot cake for my birthday, too. I'll have to go
over there and start dropping hints about my birthday.
Kim
> "Dana Carpender" <dcar...@kivanospam.net> wrote in message
> news:3Pudna0n_rNY64jY...@insightbb.com...
>
> I do wonder though what legitimately comprises a Home-Cooked Meal. Nearly
> everyone uses some convenience foods. If you make a meat loaf
> and use commercially-prepared ketchup along with the ground meat and
> eggs,
Ketchup in meatloaf? Interesting. I have *never* put ketchup in meatloaf.
But I make a more "beef" based meatloaf, not a tomato based one, since hubby
abhors anything "tomato".
>it still is Home-Cooked in my definition. And even if you add
> bagged salad with bottled salad dressing,
And I've never used bagged salad - too expensive. I use fresh vegetables all
the time, so I always have salad fixings on hand.
>heat-and-eat mashed potatoes,
Nasty - and expensive.
>and nuked frozen veggies
I love frozen peas, but I never think to buy them. Canned vegetables are
always on sale here 10/$1.00 so I have tons of canned veggies. I bought a
case each of carrots, peas and corn just a couple weeks ago when they were
on sale 10/$1.00. Those are really the only vegetables I use. Hubby won't
eat vegetables as a side dish, so I only buy vegetables that I use as part
of something else, like corn for shepherd's pie.
> We had a fast lunch last Saturday -- canned Sloppy Joes on
> store-bought rolls. But I canned the sloppy joes myself, made the
> mix from ground beef and onions and a bunch of other ingredients. Does it
> count as a Home-Cooked Meal or not?
Sure. We haven't had sloppy joe's in a while. That sounds good.
Kim
My mother used to can spaghetti sauce with hamburger using some big assed
pressure cooker type of canning apparatus. Looked complicated to me.
Lesmond
Boy, I hope you mean the old lady who *didn't* die.
--
All we have is a soccer ball, a toilet and a sink.
Kim
Yeah, the old lady who died made me the cupcakes last year, so I guess those
are right out for this year.
Mary
Veronique wrote:
> Mary wrote:
> > Kim wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, I always make cakes from scratch, just because that's the way I was
> > > taught to make cakes. Remember, my mom owned a bakery for most of my life.
> > >
> > > I don't like boxed cake mixes - they taste funny. I use them once in a
> > > while, usually the carrot cake mixes, because I like those, but normally if
> > > I make a cake, it's from scratch.
> >
> >
> > Carrot cake mixes DO save you a lot of time. Imagine if you had to
> > grate all those carrots.
> >
>
>
There you go. Instead of a cake we'll make carrot crisp. Which --
hey. My apple trees are ready for me to pick some apples and make
things out of 'em.
Mmmm, apple crisp.
Mary
Anny Middon
news:bi8jh2d7udrdv5kfv...@4ax.com...
It's not high-acid enough to HWB can -- it requires pressure canning. I
used half-pint jars, each of which holds enough meat for 2 sandwiches. I
think I processed at 10 lbs of pressure for 70 minutes.
Anny
Anny Middon
news:1159308834....@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
I'd love your kick-ass recipe if you want to share (although I think I'll
pass on the tofu version).
If you have a pressure canner and want to bother, I'm pretty sure your
recipe could be canned. Otherwise you're probably better off freezing your
sloppy joe mix.
I'll post full directions for the recipe I used if you're interested. But
since it requires pressure canning I suspect the general reaction will be,
"Oh, well. Don't bother then."
Anny
Neal Eckhardt
wrote:
OK,
I've seen you mention this before. What is the advantage to "Pink
Himalayan Sea Salt" over say Kosher salt. I assume it's flavor, but
would you use it the same way as kosher salt?
And where do you procure such a fine item?
Neal
Neal Eckhardt
>"Veronique" <veroniq...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Mary wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I don't like boxed cake mixes - they taste funny. I use them once
>>> > in a while, usually the carrot cake mixes, because I like those,
>>> > but normally if I make a cake, it's from scratch.
>>>
>>> Carrot cake mixes DO save you a lot of time. Imagine if you had to
>>> grate all those carrots.
>>
>> Just toss 'em in whole.
>
>My sister once baked an apple pie without first peeling the apples. We'll
>never let her live it down.
>
Reminds me of my SIL (yea, the one my wife hates and will never talk
to again). She invited us for dinner in her new apartment. She was
going to make some steaks.
She bought some beautiful rib-eye steaks, with a nicely marbled "outer
muscle" section. These were going to be GREAT!
When we were ready to cook the steaks, only the "inner" section was
out to be cooked. I asked her what happened to the rest of the steak?
"Well, the cook book said REMOVE ALL VISIBLE FAT."
If she had thrown it into the garbage can, I MIGHT have gone diving
for it, but alas, I wasn't going down the garbage disposal for it.
Neal
Neal Eckhardt
<72flhtak...@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
>Mary wrote:
>> Boron Elgar wrote:
>>> On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:53:41 GMT, "Anny Middon"
>>> <AnnyM...@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> We had a fast lunch last Saturday -- canned Sloppy Joes on
>>>> store-bought rolls. But I canned the sloppy joes myself, made the
>>>> mix from ground beef and onions and a bunch of other ingredients.
>>>> Does it count as a Home-Cooked Meal or not?
>>>>
>>>> Anny
>>>>
>>>>
>>> That even goes above and beyond a home cooked meal, Anny.
>>>
>>> How do you can meat mixtures like that? HWB?
>>>
>>> Boron
>>
>> I'd be interested to know too, Anny, if you can share. I have a
>> kickass sloppy joe recipe (it involves hot sauce) and if I could make
>> a bunch of it and can it I think my husband would be a really happy
>> clam.
>
>My mother used to can spaghetti sauce with hamburger using some big assed
>pressure cooker type of canning apparatus. Looked complicated to me.
>
Personally, we throw our spaghetti sauce into either a plastic
sherbert container, or the chineese soup containers, and throw it in
the refer or freezer. Never had any problems with that, even months
later (in the freezer obviously).
Neal
Neal Eckhardt
Ok, My wife makes a pretty good meatloaf, but I'm waiting for that
GREAT meatloaf.
Anybody care to share a recipe? Preferably a "secret family recipe",
but cookbook or made up is OK too.
No recipes bought at a department store for $250 that you thought was
$2.50. Those usually suck.
Neal
Anny Middon
news:12hktu6...@corp.supernews.com...
> Anny Middon wrote:
>> "Dana Carpender" <dcar...@kivanospam.net> wrote in message
>> news:3Pudna0n_rNY64jY...@insightbb.com...
>
>>
>> I do wonder though what legitimately comprises a Home-Cooked Meal. Nearly
>> everyone uses some convenience foods. If you make a meat loaf
>> and use commercially-prepared ketchup along with the ground meat and
>> eggs,
>
> Ketchup in meatloaf? Interesting. I have *never* put ketchup in meatloaf.
> But I make a more "beef" based meatloaf, not a tomato based one, since
> hubby abhors anything "tomato".
I always put ketchup in mine, for no better reason than that's what my mom
did. Also worcestershire sauce. I don't glaze the meatloaf with ketchup,
although I've seen many a recipe that calls for that.
>
>>it still is Home-Cooked in my definition. And even if you add
>> bagged salad with bottled salad dressing,
>
> And I've never used bagged salad - too expensive. I use fresh vegetables
> all the time, so I always have salad fixings on hand.
Mike and I have a salad with dinner almost every evening. He likes a mix of
greens, but if I buy 3 or 4 heads of different lettuces, they all go bad
before we've finished them.
Although the bags are expensive, we consider them an affordable luxury.
>
> >heat-and-eat mashed potatoes,
>
> Nasty - and expensive.
Only tried them once, when they were on sale. I think they were roasted
garlic potatoes. I thought they were comparable to prepared instant
potatoes, although much more expensive.
I went through a period of many years when I didn't use instant potatoes.
Lately I've been using the 3-cheese or roasted garlic varieites on occasion
when I'm really pressed for time. They are nowhere near as good as
home-made ones, but we find them edible.
>
>>and nuked frozen veggies
>
> I love frozen peas, but I never think to buy them. Canned vegetables are
> always on sale here 10/$1.00 so I have tons of canned veggies. I bought a
> case each of carrots, peas and corn just a couple weeks ago when they were
> on sale 10/$1.00. Those are really the only vegetables I use. Hubby won't
> eat vegetables as a side dish, so I only buy vegetables that I use as part
> of something else, like corn for shepherd's pie.
I can some veggies, but not many. I did a mix of wax beans and green beans
this summer, and carrots in an orange brown-sugar sauce. Oh, and
tomatoes -- but I don't count those really as canned vegetables since I use
them as an ingredient instead of a side dish.
Canned carrots, corn, and beans are all acceptable. Canned peas and
asparagus I think are just nasty. I wouldn't waste my time to home can
them.
Anny
groo
> Lesmond wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:00:25 -0400, Kim wrote:
>
>>>
>>> And now that I think about it, last year the little old lady across
>>> the street made me a homemade carrot cake for my birthday, too. I'll
>>> have to go over there and start dropping hints about my birthday.
>>
>> Boy, I hope you mean the old lady who *didn't* die.
>
> Yeah, the old lady who died made me the cupcakes last year, so I guess
> those are right out for this year.
>
Mmmmmmmmm. Cupcakes.
--
YOU try finding a job when it says nothing but "fake ghost pirate" on
your resume. - From "The Venture Brothers"
Peter Ward
<72flhtak...@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
>Mary wrote:
>> Kim wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, I always make cakes from scratch, just because that's the way
>>> I was taught to make cakes. Remember, my mom owned a bakery for most
>>> of my life.
>>>
>>> I don't like boxed cake mixes - they taste funny. I use them once in
>>> a while, usually the carrot cake mixes, because I like those, but
>>> normally if I make a cake, it's from scratch.
>>
>>
>> Carrot cake mixes DO save you a lot of time. Imagine if you had to
>> grate all those carrots.
>
>Yeah, and the carrot cakes they have in the bakery at Price Chopper all have
>raisins in them, and I hate raisins. But carrot cake is my favorite kind of
>cake, so I'll buy the carrot cakes mixes in the box when they are on sale 10
>for $10.
Raisins I don't mind. The main problem with carrot cake is that it
has carrots in it.
Carrots! In a cake! I just cannot get used to that, especially as
I'm not over fond of carrots as a vegetable. And that's being
generous to them.
--
Peter
I'm an alien
email: groups at asylum dot nildram dot co dot uk
Peter Ward
wrote:
>
>Dana Carpender wrote:
>> Mary wrote:
>>
>> > Kim wrote:
>> >
>> >>Well, I always make cakes from scratch, just because that's the way I was
>> >>taught to make cakes. Remember, my mom owned a bakery for most of my life.
>> >>
>> >>I don't like boxed cake mixes - they taste funny. I use them once in a
>> >>while, usually the carrot cake mixes, because I like those, but normally if
>> >>I make a cake, it's from scratch.
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>> > Carrot cake mixes DO save you a lot of time. Imagine if you had to
>> > grate all those carrots.
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>> Never struck me as much trouble. I have a great recipe for
>> carrot-zucchini cake.
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>
>Why not replace the carrots with cauliflower?
Splorf!