Change at Wendy's
Mikko Peltoniemi
a quick bite. They're usually pretty good.
So the total was $11.85, and I gave him $22.00. I figured
it'd be easier this way in terms of change. I also found
another 10 cents from the bottom of my pocket, so I gave
that one as well.
The guy looked at it for a while, and he said that I have
to give five cents more. I was silent, trying to go over the
math in my head; had I made a mistake? He said, you want $10
back, right? You have to give me 5 cents more.
I said, no, you give me $10 and a quarter back.
He looked at the money, and said, no, if you give me five
cents, then I'll give you ten dollars back.
We went back and forth like this, over and over. But the
guy just wouldn't budge. I tried to explain it to him
every way I could, the math behind my result. But no.
Then I told him to punch it up in the register, and
the register would certainly give us the right answer.
But he said "I do this all day.", and wouldn't do that.
At that point, I realized, that I was holding up rest
of the customers, so I just told him to give me whatever
he thought was right.
The whole thing took about five minutes.
What do you think he should've done? In my opinion, even
if I had been wrong in his opinion, he should've just
given up after a few tries. And not go on for five minutes.
I mean, holding up me, and other customers isn't really
worth $.30, is it? I wasn't in a terrible hurry, so if
there hadn't been other customers, plus my food hadn't been
getting cold, I really would've liked to see how far he
was going to go with his stance. ;)
Oh yeah, and the guy was the manager of that place too.
When I was eating, the guy who had been behind me in line,
came to me and said that he thought the whole thing was
funny. I said I felt the same way, but I apologized him for holding
him up, though.
All this for 30 cents. Next time I think I'll just use my debit card.
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Opus the Penguin
> What do you think he should've done? In my opinion, even
> if I had been wrong in his opinion, he should've just
> given up after a few tries. And not go on for five minutes.
Obviously he should have punched in the $22.10 you gave him and given
you whatever change it told him to give you. I don't think you would
have held people up too much by requesting exactly that. I don't
understand why he didn't do this. Had he already punched in a different
number?
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James Gifford
> He looked at the money, and said, no, if you give me five
> cents, then I'll give you ten dollars back.
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Mikko Peltoniemi
> have held people up too much by requesting exactly that. I don't
> understand why he didn't do this. Had he already punched in a different
> number?
No, the register just sat there, with "11.85" in big angry numbers. ;)
And he didn't do it, well, because in his own words he does this all day
long. Exactly what he meant, I'm not sure. Did he mean, that he argues
with customers all day long, or that he takes their money all day
long...
Asterbark
> Then I told him to punch it up in the register, and
> the register would certainly give us the right answer.
> But he said "I do this all day.", and wouldn't do that.
This is when you ask for a manager.
I don't care if it's only 30 cents. You were right and he was wrong but
he was doing the math in his head. I don't care if people make fun of
fast food employees and other cashiers for not being able to make change
without the aid of a cash register. Better yet, take away the extraneous
dime. Fuck you, that dime has no place in this transaction. You don't
complicate matters adding weird amounts of change so you can get a
quarter back instead of 15 cents. So clearly he was trying to cause
trouble for revenge purposes, and in summary, you should have done
everything in your power to get him fired and possibly make money on the
deal, even though you put the monkey wrench in there in the first place.
Paper hats should know who they're dealing with: free-wheeling change
rogues with all the time in the world to throw their 30 cents worth of
weight around to control the fate continuum in mansard-roof-land.
Hi groo!
~misty
Other than "Oh yeah, and the guy was the manager of that place too." I agree
with you ;-).
I worked at Wendy's for a few years at the drive-thru register.. we _had_ to
be able to make correct change without using the register since we might
already have 3 or 4 more orders tallied thru before taking "your" money.
Counting up isn't hard.. I think I averaged ~15 cents +/- as far as my
starting register to closing register.
Except for once...
I had a $40 deficit... I think the ass. manager stole it since she didn't
last there much after that incident. Not only did we _not_ get to count what
we started with.. we didn't count at closing.. so she had ample opportunity
to pocket it. I lasted until i got tired of doing all the side work while
the ass. managers chatted in the office.
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~misty wrote:
I lasted until i got tired of doing all the side work while
> the ass. managers chatted in the office.
And you do mean "ass managers."
Dana
Arthur Kimes
<mikk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
] What do you think he should've done? In my opinion, even
] if I had been wrong in his opinion, he should've just
] given up after a few tries. And not go on for five minutes.
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys
the pig.
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Asterbark
Assassin managers.
Greg Goss
>Opus the Penguin wrote:
>
>> have held people up too much by requesting exactly that. I don't
>> understand why he didn't do this. Had he already punched in a different
>> number?
>
>No, the register just sat there, with "11.85" in big angry numbers. ;)
>And he didn't do it, well, because in his own words he does this all day
>long. Exactly what he meant, I'm not sure. Did he mean, that he argues
>with customers all day long, or that he takes their money all day
>long...
Fast food chains have huge offices that listen to customer bitches.
They keep track of which managers are unable to handle trivial
problems. I suspect that they also keep track of managers who ring up
"won't ring up" records.
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Boron Elgar
Ass manglers.
Kim
>
> What do you think he should've done? In my opinion, even
> if I had been wrong in his opinion, he should've just
> given up after a few tries. And not go on for five minutes.
I think he should have punched it into the register. Really.
Other than that, I think what *you* should have done was take back the dime.
Then, very slowly, asked him "How much would you give me back if I just gave
you the $22.00 as payment?"
15 minutes later (without the aid of the register, less time with), when he
came up with a figure of $10.15, I would then ask him - "OK, now if I add a
dime to that, what is the total?"
Maybe that would have made him see the light.
Of course, if he didn't come up with the $10.15 in the first place, I would
have just whipped out a piece of paper and a pen and drew him a picture.
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Mikko Peltoniemi
> I think he should have punched it into the register. Really.
Yes. And had I been at the other side of the counter, and so sure
of being right, I would've been happy to punch it in, and then
smugly point out that I was right. But what came to my mind after
was that maybe he didn't because he did realize he was wrong. But
he didn't want to give up, as it had gone too far. I know there are
people who will keep on arguing, even when they know they're wrong,
because they can't bear to admit being wrong.
And I did kind of get the feeling at one point, that he hesited
as if he had just figured it out himself. But of course, I can't
go inside anyone's head (at least, not yet), so it's all a speculation.
> Other than that, I think what *you* should have done was take back the dime.
> Then, very slowly, asked him "How much would you give me back if I just gave
> you the $22.00 as payment?"
Or even start with the $20.00, ask how much there would've been change,
then add a dollar, another one, and 10 cents last.
But of course, at some point into it I did realize that I was arguing
over 30 cents, and there were other people in line, so I gave up, before
I thought of doing that. But I did manage to create an audience as well,
on both sides of the counter. ;)
Blinky the Shark
> What do you think he should've done? In my opinion, even if I had been
> wrong in his opinion, he should've just given up after a few tries.
> And not go on for five minutes.
He should've punched 20.10 into the register and given you back whatever
the fuck it told him to give you back.
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~misty
Ayup.
Nothing cheeses me more than working my butt off while others .. who are
supposed to be working too.. stand around chit chatting.
Les Albert
<mikk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Opus the Penguin wrote:
>
>> have held people up too much by requesting exactly that. I don't
>> understand why he didn't do this. Had he already punched in a different
>> number?
>No, the register just sat there, with "11.85" in big angry numbers. ;)
>And he didn't do it, well, because in his own words he does this all day
>long. Exactly what he meant, I'm not sure. Did he mean, that he argues
>with customers all day long, or that he takes their money all day
>long...
Both. And he pisses on the hamburger patties while they are
defrosting.
Les
Asterbark
> Dana Carpender wrote:
>> ~misty wrote:
>>
>> I lasted until i got tired of doing all the side work while
>>> the ass. managers chatted in the office.
>>
>> And you do mean "ass managers."
>>
>> Dana
>
> Ayup.
>
> Nothing cheeses me more than working my butt off while others .. who are
> supposed to be working too.. stand around chit chatting.
But does it Jr. Deluxe cheese you.
Tim Wright
<snip>
> All this for 30 cents. Next time I think I'll just use my debit card.
>
head against the same wall as you. Finally just gave up and
started a change jar. When paying cash I never hand over
anything but paper, and toss the change in the jar at home. Got
about 30 lbs of the stuff right now. I'll cash it in someday
when I find a new gun or something I want.
--
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Blinky the Shark
> smugly point out that I was right. But what came to my mind after
> was that maybe he didn't because he did realize he was wrong. But
> he didn't want to give up, as it had gone too far. I know there are
> people who will keep on arguing, even when they know they're wrong,
> because they can't bear to admit being wrong.
I wonder where ever would you find a group like that......
Blinky the Shark
>>Opus the Penguin wrote:
I had a run-in with the order-taker when I called in for a pizza
delivery, the other day. After I ordered (anyway), and hung up, I
thought about all the fast food kitchen ULs and wondered if it would've
been wiser to have disengaged and called another joint instead.
Les Albert
wrote:
>Les Albert wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:43:13 -0400, Mikko Peltoniemi
>><mikk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>Opus the Penguin wrote:
>
>>>> have held people up too much by requesting exactly that. I don't
>>>> understand why he didn't do this. Had he already punched in a
>>>> different number?
>>>No, the register just sat there, with "11.85" in big angry numbers. ;)
>>>And he didn't do it, well, because in his own words he does this all
>>>day long. Exactly what he meant, I'm not sure. Did he mean, that he
>>>argues with customers all day long, or that he takes their money all
>>>day long...
>> Both. And he pisses on the hamburger patties while they are
>> defrosting.
>I had a run-in with the order-taker when I called in for a pizza
>delivery, the other day. After I ordered (anyway), and hung up, I
>thought about all the fast food kitchen ULs and wondered if it would've
>been wiser to have disengaged and called another joint instead.
Always opt for the safer alternative. Not too long ago I had words
with the parking attendant in an underground garage just after I
pulled in. He then went to take care of someone else and when he
returned he asked what I wanted to do. I said that I wanted to park
my car. He replied, "Are you sure you want to leave your car here?".
I drove away.
Les
Asterbark
Strangely enough, I had words, very short and loud words, with the guy
in the booth at a parking garage after my doctor appointment about a
month ago. He wanted to charge me a dollar for the fraction of a minute
I went over 2 hours, several minutes of which I was looking for a
fucking spot, and quite a while of which I couldn't summon myself to
piss in a cup, not to mention all the people who were ahead of me when I
had to make a follow-up appointment (and the old guy who was ahead of me
in the bathroom). I right away asked to speak to his superior and he
rolled his eyes and said "blah blah blah" and I was furious about his
attitude, so he very quickly changed my ticket to 2 minutes before I
pulled it out of the garage ticket dispenser so I would pay only 4
dollars instead of 5. I think that was also an episode of Frasier, but
I'm better looking, and I don't think he was asked to piss in a cup.
Hactar
Opus the Penguin <opusthepen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mikko Peltoniemi <mikk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What do you think he should've done? In my opinion, even
> > if I had been wrong in his opinion, he should've just
> > given up after a few tries. And not go on for five minutes.
>
> Obviously he should have punched in the $22.10 you gave him and given
> you whatever change it told him to give you.
Around here, Wendy'ses have machines that dispense coins. I don't know if
the cashier even has coins in the register, so (here) he(the cashier)
would have had to enter _something_ that would result in some change, and
the amount offered would have been easiest.
Frankly, such a machine might slow me down compared to a standard
register, as when I worked a register in a copy shop in the early 1990s,
it was faster to figure the change in my head than enter the amount
tendered into the register. Maybe I was a poor typist.
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Gosh! You have some very tough parking requirements in upstate New
York.
Les
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>
> Then I told him to punch it up in the register, and
> the register would certainly give us the right answer.
> But he said "I do this all day.", and wouldn't do that.
If you don't punch it into the register, I'll have to assume you
are pocketing the money and I'll report you to HQ.
>
> The whole thing took about five minutes.
>
> What do you think he should've done? In my opinion, even
> if I had been wrong in his opinion, he should've just
> given up after a few tries. And not go on for five minutes.
What do you mean by "given up"? Give you what you say you should get?
Or punch it into the machine?
> All this for 30 cents. Next time I think I'll just use my debit card.
I add small change onto my payment to get to the next bill/quareter all the
time, and very rarely have a problem. Once the clerk just handed me back
the coins I just gave him and then made change based just on the paper.
Other than that, they always either figure it our or just do what the
machine tells them to (very rarely, with accompanied by a dirty look).
More common is when they give me change as if for a 10 when I gave them a
20, or versa vice.
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Charles Bishop
<mikk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>So me and the mrs thought at stopping at Wendy's today for
>a quick bite. They're usually pretty good.
>
>So the total was $11.85, and I gave him $22.00. I figured
>it'd be easier this way in terms of change. I also found
>another 10 cents from the bottom of my pocket, so I gave
>that one as well.
>
>The guy looked at it for a while, and he said that I have
>to give five cents more. I was silent, trying to go over the
>math in my head; had I made a mistake? He said, you want $10
>back, right? You have to give me 5 cents more.
>
>I said, no, you give me $10 and a quarter back.
[snip rest of sceneario, which doesn't end well]
I had my own version last weekend. I've been having troubles recently and
this has affected my memory which is where this starts. Son had left with
the troop for Summer Camp, and I stayed behind to finish up some stuff and
follow along later. My last things to do were to get gasoline, and then
stop by a bookstore for reading materials.
I bought gas, then went to the bookstore. While there, I realized that I
hadn't got my change from the gas station. Entirely my fault-I had given
the clerk $100, pumped the gas, then driven off without getting my change.
I drove from the bookstore back to the gas station, elapsed time about 40
minutes. I spoke to the clerk (a different one) and explained the
difficulty. I thought she would look up my pump #, see that the
transaction hadn't been completed and give me the change (about $70-I
didn't remember exactly how much I had bought, but it was about $30)
It almost worked that way-She had the change in her hand after looking at
the computer records, then said that the change had been given out. I
couldn't see the records on the computer screen but said I hadn't received
it. The cashier called the manager trying to sort it out, but couldn't
over the phone. The manager wanted me to come back Monday, when she would
be there, but I was going to be in scout camp, 3 hrs away. I was worried
that any records would be gone when I got back in a week, or at least
harder to get, so I called the cops.
The officer showed up, talked to me and said there wasn't anything they
could do, since there wasn't a theft. I said that I was due money, and
wasn't given it so there was somewhere. We went back and forth for a
while, then she said she would talk to the cashier, and manager. She did
so, in person and by phone and the accomodation was that the manager, who
would be there at 6pm (by this time it's 4) would look at the records, and
call me on my cell. The officer also requested that the security tapes be
kept as well (since they would show me driving away from the pump and not
going into the store).
The manager didn't call that day of course. I didn't have cell coverage at
camp so couldn't call her. One of the other parents was returning on
Monday for his work so I bummed a ride with him. I got to the station and
the manager said she hadn't called because she looked at the records and
my transaction wasn't there. However the records she showed only listed
the instances where change was given. She didnt' want to spend more time
going into it so in the end, she gave me the change as much to get rid of
me as much as the fact that she belived me. I should note that this is the
staion where I usually buy my gas, but there is a lot of turnover so it
hard to have an ongoing relationship with them. There are mechanics
attached who I use and know me but the two accounting systems are
different. The manager there offered to help but couldn't do much.
I think I watch too much CSI since I really expected the transaction to be
on the computer and easy to access, and the security tapes proving that I
hadn't gone into the store to get change. Harder to do than I thought.
I've left out some details for space, but nothing probative, I think.
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Scott P
<n...@nitrosyncretic.kom> wrote:
>Mikko Peltoniemi <mikk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> He looked at the money, and said, no, if you give me five
>> cents, then I'll give you ten dollars back.
>
>Thurber. "The Figgerin' of Aunt Wilma."
Isn't that the title of the infamous Flintstones episode that was only
aired once? Oh wait you wrote "figgerin'", my mistake.
Scott
Jeff Wisnia
If you're a masochist and desire to get your shorts twisted up real
tight.....
Next time you enter a parking garage where you pull your own ticket,
stop to look at the time printed on it and compare it with your car's
clock or your watch. Honestly now, did you think to do that before?
When leaving ask the attendant what time his clock shows and check his
answer against your timepiece.
Betcha you'll find that the incoming clock was set a few minutes earlier
that the exiting clock. That few minutes will push a lot of parkers into
the next time increment, especially when the place is charging by the
half hour. I doubt that the direction of the offset on the incoming
clock is an accident.
I find it that way almost every time I park, and there really isn't a
damn thing you can do about it except lie back and try and enjoy it. <G>
Jeff
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Jeff Wisnia
> So me and the mrs thought at stopping at Wendy's today for
> a quick bite. They're usually pretty good.
>
> So the total was $11.85, and I gave him $22.00. I figured
> it'd be easier this way in terms of change. I also found
> another 10 cents from the bottom of my pocket, so I gave
> that one as well.
>
> The guy looked at it for a while, and he said that I have
> to give five cents more. I was silent, trying to go over the
> math in my head; had I made a mistake? He said, you want $10
> back, right? You have to give me 5 cents more.
>
> I said, no, you give me $10 and a quarter back.
>
> He looked at the money, and said, no, if you give me five
> cents, then I'll give you ten dollars back.
>
> We went back and forth like this, over and over. But the
> guy just wouldn't budge. I tried to explain it to him
> every way I could, the math behind my result. But no.
>
> Then I told him to punch it up in the register, and
> the register would certainly give us the right answer.
> But he said "I do this all day.", and wouldn't do that.
>
> At that point, I realized, that I was holding up rest
> of the customers, so I just told him to give me whatever
> he thought was right.
>
> The whole thing took about five minutes.
>
> What do you think he should've done? In my opinion, even
> if I had been wrong in his opinion, he should've just
> given up after a few tries. And not go on for five minutes.
>
> I mean, holding up me, and other customers isn't really
> worth $.30, is it? I wasn't in a terrible hurry, so if
> there hadn't been other customers, plus my food hadn't been
> getting cold, I really would've liked to see how far he
> was going to go with his stance. ;)
>
> Oh yeah, and the guy was the manager of that place too.
>
> When I was eating, the guy who had been behind me in line,
> came to me and said that he thought the whole thing was
> funny. I said I felt the same way, but I apologized him for holding
> him up, though.
>
> All this for 30 cents. Next time I think I'll just use my debit card.
>
My response to your story is simple:
Learn to say "Noblesse Oblige", and thank G_d *you* don't have to work
at Wendy's.
I experienced an epiphany a few years ago which made my life much more
bearable. I decided to ignore stuff like that and get on with the
important things.
Too bad it took me more than 60 years to get there. <G>
Dilbert Firestorm
asstung
Dilbert Firestorm
>Mikko Peltoniemi wrote:
>
>
>
>>What do you think he should've done? In my opinion, even if I had been
>>wrong in his opinion, he should've just given up after a few tries.
>>And not go on for five minutes.
>>
>>
>
>He should've punched 20.10 into the register and given you back whatever
>the fuck it told him to give you back.
>
>
blunt to the oibt ass usual!
Richard R. Hershberger
Jeff Wisnia wrote:
> If you're a masochist and desire to get your shorts twisted up real
> tight.....
>
> Next time you enter a parking garage where you pull your own ticket,
> stop to look at the time printed on it and compare it with your car's
> clock or your watch. Honestly now, did you think to do that before?
>
> When leaving ask the attendant what time his clock shows and check his
> answer against your timepiece.
>
> Betcha you'll find that the incoming clock was set a few minutes earlier
> that the exiting clock. That few minutes will push a lot of parkers into
> the next time increment, especially when the place is charging by the
> half hour. I doubt that the direction of the offset on the incoming
> clock is an accident.
>
> I find it that way almost every time I park, and there really isn't a
> damn thing you can do about it except lie back and try and enjoy it. <G>
Your state has no consumer fraud office? Your local TV news doesn't
have hidable cameras and cars? Of course there are things you can do.
The TV news one would even be fun.
ra...@westnet.poe.com
> Mikko Peltoniemi wrote:
> > Then I told him to punch it up in the register, and
> > the register would certainly give us the right answer.
> > But he said "I do this all day.", and wouldn't do that.
> This is when you ask for a manager.
Except it was the manager. This where you grab your money and leave, or
just shove a nucke at the guy so he can shove it back with the ten and the
quarter you had coming.
John
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Jeff Wisnia
You may be better at accomplishing those things than I, Richard, but
back maybe ten years ago when I first started noticing that parking
garage clock thing I did try calling the city's Sealer of Weights and
Measures and was told by him that "clocks" were not covered by the
statute the way things like butcher scales and gasoline pumps were.
Then I pinged the TV gal who does a "Consumer Alert" bit on the evening
news, but she didn't follow up on it.
So, I tried, 'ysee.
I forgot to include the on topic point I started out intending to make,
which was that your chances of winning point about improperly set clocks
with the outgoing "cashier" at a garage are two, slim and none. And,
Slim rode out of town at high noon.
*****************
The most egregious parking lot shafting I can remember getting took
place at Logan airport (in Red Sox Nation) a few years ago. I'd gone to
pick up someone arriving arriving at the international terminal quite
late in the evening, and a couple of other flights came in about the
same time.
When we went to exit the parking lot, there were (or so it seemed) about
a hundred other cars ahead of us, but only one of numerous exit lanes
was open, so we sat in line burning up gasoline for nearly a half hour
and ended up paying two hours parking fees for what should easily have
been less than an hour's.
Upon reflection, I realized there wasn't much management could do to
avoid those situations short of spending money keeping lots more lanes
staffed for those occasional pileups. They sure couldn't give the
"cashiers" the option of reducing the charges whenever someone
complained, that'd open up a real can of larcenous worms. <G>
Mikko Peltoniemi
> If you don't punch it into the register, I'll have to assume you
> are pocketing the money and I'll report you to HQ.
Actually, hindsight being 20/20, I should've asked for a receipt...
Bob Ward
<jwi...@conversent.net> wrote:
>
>I forgot to include the on topic point I started out intending to make,
>which was that your chances of winning point about improperly set clocks
>with the outgoing "cashier" at a garage are two, slim and none. And,
>Slim rode out of town at high noon.
... By whose watch?
Jeff Wisnia
No watch, sundial...
Charles Wm. Dimmick
> Bob Ward wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:17:35 -0400, Jeff Wisnia
>> <jwi...@conversent.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I forgot to include the on topic point I started out intending to
>>> make, which was that your chances of winning point about improperly
>>> set clocks with the outgoing "cashier" at a garage are two, slim and
>>> none. And, Slim rode out of town at high noon.
>> ... By whose watch?
> No watch, sundial...
No soap, radio.
groo
news:Xns969CD2EF47...@66.133.129.71:
> Paper hats should know who they're dealing with: free-wheeling change
> rogues with all the time in the world to throw their 30 cents worth of
> weight around to control the fate continuum in mansard-roof-land.
>
> Hi groo!
This just isn't fair to the other kids. You appear to have a natural
talent that ordinary mortals lack, Aster. I'm going to have to raise the
bar for you. From now on, I'm grading on a curve.
--
"For a thousand years I wielded the powers of the Wish. I brought ruin to
the heads of unfaithful men. I brought forth destruction and chaos for
the pleasure of the lower beings. I was feared and worshipped across the
mortal globe. And now I'm stuck at Sunnydale High. Mortal. Child. And I'm
flunking Math." - Anya, BtVS
groo
3...@comcast.com:
> I experienced an epiphany a few years ago which made my life much more
> bearable. I decided to ignore stuff like that and get on with the
> important things.
>
> Too bad it took me more than 60 years to get there. <G>
>
I'm a good 20 years ahead of you! Woo-hoo!
Of course, God will probably make me die young, just out of spite.
Jeff Wisnia
I don't get it, but I'm laffing at it 'cause everyone else is......
#
#
#
#
But that line was just what I was thinking of when I posted my own three
word "explanation"....
I suspect you and I aren't quite as chronologically young as some folks
here, Charles...
Jeff Wisnia
> Jeff Wisnia <jwi...@conversent.net> wrote in news:moqdnbLU_7TQqXnfRVn-
> 3...@comcast.com:
>
>
>>I experienced an epiphany a few years ago which made my life much more
>>bearable. I decided to ignore stuff like that and get on with the
>>important things.
>>
>>Too bad it took me more than 60 years to get there. <G>
>>
>
> I'm a good 20 years ahead of you! Woo-hoo!
>
> Of course, God will probably make me die young, just out of spite.
>
>
No, he's gonna let you live long enough to see the Social Security
System you were forced to pay into for 40+ years go belly up. <G>
Being the inheritor of long life genes from both my parents I jumped
onto SSA at age 62 which turned out to be a fortuitous "no brainer"
actuarial decision because I had kids aged 11 and 15 at the time who
were also entitled to SS payments until they reached 18 or if still in
high school up to age 20.
That's a bennie I hadn't heard of until the nice lady at the SS office
asked me as I finished signing up, "You don't have any dependants under
age 18, do you?".
I sat down again fast and said, "Yep".. There's no shame or stigma to
it, it's available to everyone qualified to receive SS who still has
young dependants; AFAIK without any special conditions like low income
status, or disabilities. Since I'd been paying into the system at the
maximum SS rates for almost 50 years, I didn't feel the least bit guilty
about letting the kids take what the law said they were entitled to.
When the two kids were both collecting, their combined monthly payments
were about the same as what I was receiving, and when the older one
"graduated", the younger one got about 60 percent of what I was getting.
That's hardly enough to raise a kid on for sure, but by tucking every
cent of the kid's payments away in the ING bank there was enough there
to take care of their first year's college costs.
"America has been very very good to me...."
Jeff (Proud papa of 4 kids aged 18,22,38 and 41.)
groo
j...@conversent.net:
> groo wrote:
>
>>
>> Of course, God will probably make me die young, just out of spite.
>
> No, he's gonna let you live long enough to see the Social Security
> System you were forced to pay into for 40+ years go belly up. <G>
>
I'm already expecting to get zero back from SS. If I do get something,
it'll all be gravy. If God's going to screw me over, he's going to have
to do a little better than that.
Dana Carpender
groo wrote:
> Jeff Wisnia <jwi...@conversent.net> wrote in news:2aCdnc7ijupDMnvfRVn-
> j...@conversent.net:
>
>
>>groo wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Of course, God will probably make me die young, just out of spite.
>>
>>No, he's gonna let you live long enough to see the Social Security
>>System you were forced to pay into for 40+ years go belly up. <G>
>>
>
> I'm already expecting to get zero back from SS. If I do get something,
> it'll all be gravy. If God's going to screw me over, he's going to have
> to do a little better than that.
It's so stupid. Jack the age for claiming SSI up to 68, and make income
subject to FICA up to -- oh, let's go with $250K, up from $90K. Bet
those two changes would fix the problem for decades to come.
Dana
Charles Wm. Dimmick
> Charles Wm. Dimmick wrote:
>
>> Jeff Wisnia wrote:
>>> No watch, sundial...
>> No soap, radio.
> I don't get it, but I'm laffing at it 'cause everyone else is......
> But that line was just what I was thinking of when I posted my own three
> word "explanation"....
>
> I suspect you and I aren't quite as chronologically young as some folks
> here, Charles...
I suspect you have 5 years on me, putting you in a lonely class
with Nick Spalding.
Charles
Asterbark
> Asterbark <Aste...@effingrowntiserneletele.nelelelelelt> wrote in
> news:Xns969CD2EF47...@66.133.129.71:
>
>> Paper hats should know who they're dealing with: free-wheeling change
>> rogues with all the time in the world to throw their 30 cents worth of
>> weight around to control the fate continuum in mansard-roof-land.
>>
>> Hi groo!
>
>
> This just isn't fair to the other kids. You appear to have a natural
> talent that ordinary mortals lack, Aster. I'm going to have to raise the
> bar for you. From now on, I'm grading on a curve.
>
Bummer.
ra...@westnet.poe.com
> groo wrote:
<snip>
> > I'm already expecting to get zero back from SS. If I do get something,
> > it'll all be gravy. If God's going to screw me over, he's going to have
> > to do a little better than that.
> It's so stupid. Jack the age for claiming SSI up to 68,
It's in the pipe.
> and make income subject to FICA up to -- oh, let's go with $250K, up
> from $90K. Bet those two changes would fix the problem for decades to
> come.
Wanna bet? No fractional decades allowed.
mat...@gmail.com
Not really the same, but it reminds me of this.
Around a month ago, I went to an Albertsons that had a special on Coke.
I didn't have the ad with me, so I thought I remembered the ad was
buy 4 12 packs, get 1 free. Also, the price was 4 12 packs for $10.
*Also*, there was a mail in rebate to get $5 off of the purchase of a
certain number of 12 packs (it was either 4 or 5).
So you'd expect that would mean 5 12 packs for $10, right?
I see on the shelf that the $2.50 each price had a "limit 4" mention on it.
I pondered that, but still decided to buy.
My receipt ends up showing 4 @ $2.50 each, then the 5th for regular price,
I think $5.29. The receipt also says "1 free -$2.50".
Hey wait a minute.. I noticed that after I walked out to my car, and went
back in. The cashier gave the lame explanation that the $5 mail in rebate
counted as the free one -- I didn't really believe it, but I didn't fight
further, since with the mail in rebate, it was still a pretty good deal.
I checked the ad after I got home, and the ad DID say 5 for $10. Unfortunately
this was an Albertsons I didn't usually go to. Not too far, just not the
one I usually went to. So I did go back in, I think 2 weeks later, and got
the $2.49 back in change.
I still have a local Action Line cut out that has an 800 # to call to report
price scanning errors. I haven't called that, and now it's about a month later,
so probably too late to matter -- plus I need to send in the receipt for
the mail in rebate..
But anyway -- long story long, for the other people who responded and had
pricing errors too, your state or city might have places to call in to complain
about scanning errors.
--
mat...@gmail.com
D.F. Manno
Dana Carpender <dcar...@kivanospam.net> wrote:
> It's so stupid. Jack the age for claiming SSI up to 68, and make income
> subject to FICA up to -- oh, let's go with $250K, up from $90K. Bet
> those two changes would fix the problem for decades to come.
There's a way to fix it without raising the retirement age. It involves
four steps:
--Lift the cap on earnings subject to the SS payroll tax (every dollar
gets taxed);
--Keep the tax on estates worth $3.5 million and more and dedicate the
proceeds to SS;
--Bring all newly hired public employees under mandatory SS coverage, and
--Adopt the more accurate formula for cost-of-living increases designed
by the Bureau of Labor Statistics and already in use by many programs.
No need for private accounts. No increase in the payroll tax rate. No
cut in benefits. No increase in retirement age. No change to the
disability/survivors benefits
But it calls for raising taxes on the upper class, so Shrub and the
Republicans will never do it.
--
D.F. Manno | dfm2a...@spymac.com
"As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely,
the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great
and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
- H. L. Mencken, in the Baltimore Sun, July 26, 1920
James Gifford
> --Lift the cap on earnings subject to the SS payroll tax (every dollar
> gets taxed);
Would you then lift the cap on benefits, as well?
How about benefit reductions against high retirement incomes from other
sources? Even 25 years ago, as a teller, I had customers that came in with
a big handful of checks every month - $1k or so in SS and $2-5k in various
other retirement, investment, annuity checks. Since most retirees extract
all the money they paid in in about the first 18 months or so of benefits,
(at least, that was true ca. 1980, when pay-in rates had been very small
and benefits began to increase sharply) it never seemed quite fair to me.
--
|=- James Gifford = FIX SPAMTRAP TO REPLY -=|
|=- So... your philosophy fits in a sig, does it? -=|
ra...@westnet.poe.com
<snip>
> --Lift the cap on earnings subject to the SS payroll tax (every dollar
> gets taxed);
And the poltical pressure against the program goes way up.
> --Keep the tax on estates worth $3.5 million and more and dedicate the
> proceeds to SS;
Ditto.
> --Bring all newly hired public employees under mandatory SS coverage, and
Yes, and how are the current employees going to get _thier_ monies?
> --Adopt the more accurate formula for cost-of-living increases designed
> by the Bureau of Labor Statistics and already in use by many programs.
That's one that's on the table.
> No need for private accounts.
True.
> No increase in the payroll tax rate.
No, just a major hike in taxes, but it's been snuck in here and there.
> No cut in benefits.
No, there's a major cut in bennies with the lower COL adjustments you want
to use.
> No increase in retirement age.
Agreed.
> No change to the disability/survivors benefits
One presumes that they'll suffer the same cuts as the other benefit cuts.
> But it calls for raising taxes on the upper class, so Shrub and the
> Republicans will never do it.
Agreed. SS as it's structured is amazingly robust, containing not only an
amazing financial windfall for the government in the early years, but also
carefully balanced poltical support, by letting the well off out of the
system after a certain point, while not cutting them out from the benefits
however minor to them. The mistake made was to adopt a higher and
automatic rate of benefit increases back in the 60's(?) which is now
killing the programs viability.
Your proposals, to cut out poltical support for the program in exchange
for financial support would have the benefit of seeing the program
dissolved sometime in the future, but seeing as the program does do some
good to society, I'd rather not take it down that aisle.
groo
60DBC6.182...@news.x-privat.org:
> --Keep the tax on estates worth $3.5 million and more and dedicate the
> proceeds to SS;
This seems like it takes money out of the regular tax coffers and moves it
to shore up SS. How are you going to replace it? Or are you going to cut
more services paid for by federal tax dollars?
--
"I was nimble as a cat. I always managed to land on all fours." - Dr.
Tobias Funke on "Arrested Development"
SoCalMike
>>No cut in benefits.
>
>
> No, there's a major cut in bennies with the lower COL adjustments you want
> to use.
i wouldnt consider it a "cut", since the benefit checks arent going to
get smaller. they just wont grow as quickly as before.
Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer)
<dfm2a...@spymac.com> wrote:
> There's a way to fix it without raising the retirement age. It involves
> four steps:
>
> --Lift the cap on earnings subject to the SS payroll tax (every dollar
> gets taxed);
This will probably do it all by itself.
> --Bring all newly hired public employees under mandatory SS coverage, and
This happened in 1983 for Federal employees (and military personnel),
as did the deduction for Medicare. That was capped for a while, but
isn't any more.
> No need for private accounts. No increase in the payroll tax rate. No
> cut in benefits. No increase in retirement age. No change to the
> disability/survivors benefits
Removing the cap is an increase in the payroll tax rate for people who
formerly had it. Not that this is a real increase, but it's an
apparent increase.
Mary
--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer
We didn't just do weird stuff at Dryden, we wrote reports about it.
reunite....@gmail.com or mil...@qnet.com
D.F. Manno
groo <gr...@groo.org> wrote:
> "D.F. Manno" <dfm2a...@spymac.com> wrote
>
> > --Keep the tax on estates worth $3.5 million and more and dedicate the
> > proceeds to SS;
>
> This seems like it takes money out of the regular tax coffers and moves it
> to shore up SS. How are you going to replace it? Or are you going to cut
> more services paid for by federal tax dollars?
You're going to have a huge flow of money from general revenues to the
Social Security system anyway when the SS Trust Fund starts cashing in
the Treasury bonds it holds. This change will be small in comparison,
and will help to close the gap in future years.
D.F. Manno
James Gifford <n...@nitrosyncretic.kom> wrote:
> "D.F. Manno" <dfm2a...@spymac.com> wrote:
> > --Lift the cap on earnings subject to the SS payroll tax (every dollar
> > gets taxed);
>
> Would you then lift the cap on benefits, as well?
Nope.
> How about benefit reductions against high retirement incomes from other
> sources?
That would be a form of means testing, which would eventually be the
death of the program.
D.F. Manno
"Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer)" <reunite....@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > --Bring all newly hired public employees under mandatory SS coverage, and
>
> This happened in 1983 for Federal employees (and military personnel),
> as did the deduction for Medicare. That was capped for a while, but
> isn't any more.
Right, but state and local government employees who are covered by a
public retirement system are currently exempt unless their government
has opted into SS.
D.F. Manno
Opus the Penguin
> SoCalMike <mikein562...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ra...@westnet.poe.com wrote:
>> >>No cut in benefits.
>> >
>> > No, there's a major cut in bennies with the lower COL
>> > adjustments you want to use.
>>
>> i wouldnt consider it a "cut", since the benefit checks arent
>> going to get smaller. they just wont grow as quickly as before.
>
> Exactly.
Did the Republicans and Democrats just trade arguments without telling
me? This is like when we evolved, isn't it?
--
Opus the Penguin
The best darn penguin in all of Usenet
D.F. Manno
Opus the Penguin <opusthepen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "D.F. Manno" <dfm2a...@spymac.com> wrote:
>
> > SoCalMike <mikein562...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> ra...@westnet.poe.com wrote:
> >> >
> >> > No, there's a major cut in bennies with the lower COL
> >> > adjustments you want to use.
> >>
> >> i wouldnt consider it a "cut", since the benefit checks arent
> >> going to get smaller. they just wont grow as quickly as before.
> >
> > Exactly.
>
> Did the Republicans and Democrats just trade arguments without telling
> me? This is like when we evolved, isn't it?
No, it's entirely consistent. The Republicans have been known to
denounce proposals to roll back tax cuts that have not yet taken effect
as "tax hikes."
ra...@westnet.poe.com
> In article <U-GdnT-SnZP...@comcast.com>,
> SoCalMike <mikein562...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > ra...@westnet.poe.com wrote:
> > >>No cut in benefits.
> > >
> > > No, there's a major cut in bennies with the lower COL adjustments you want
> > > to use.
> >
> > i wouldnt consider it a "cut", since the benefit checks arent going to
> > get smaller. they just wont grow as quickly as before.
> Exactly.
Yes, that's a cut. If Someone promises to give you $100 the first month
and then 10% more each month there after, you can looke foreward to
$464.10 in the first four months. If they change thier mind and say that
they're only giving you 5% mpore each month, then you're only going to get
$431.01 in the first four months, or a cut in benefits of $33.09. That's
a major cut in benefits. Now if these increases were not promised, but
merely expected, then I could see an argument that they're not a cut, but
seeing as how they're promised now, it's pretty clearly a cut in benefits.
Not that I'm opposed to such a thing in principal, but let's be forthright
here.
ra...@westnet.poe.com
> <dfm2a...@spymac.com> wrote:
> > There's a way to fix it without raising the retirement age. It involves
> > four steps:
> >
> > --Lift the cap on earnings subject to the SS payroll tax (every dollar
> > gets taxed);
> This will probably do it all by itself.
Nah, IIRC, such a move goes about 1/4 of the way along, and will almost
certanly be accompaniaed by a later rise in payouts as the cap on that
will almost certanlly fade as well.