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Sanford Manley
Jul 20, 2012, 5:12:28 AM7/20/12
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Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
very quickly and rumors are flying.
What the hell is this world coming to?
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with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
very quickly and rumors are flying.
What the hell is this world coming to?
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Dover Beach
Jul 20, 2012, 8:44:39 AM7/20/12
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Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:jub7ds$t8i$3...@dont-email.me:
> Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
> with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
> very quickly and rumors are flying.
>
> What the hell is this world coming to?
>
I'm totally freaked out. I know people who were going to that showing.
Right now I'm watching the local news as they tentatively poke at the
gunman's apartment -- he told the cops it was booby-trapped.
That's just an ordinary theater. I've been to movies there. Aurora has
a so-so reputation, but the Aurora Town Center is just a big mall. The
library and the city hall are right there. It's not a dump. It's just a
suburban theater.
news:jub7ds$t8i$3...@dont-email.me:
> Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
> with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
> very quickly and rumors are flying.
>
> What the hell is this world coming to?
>
Right now I'm watching the local news as they tentatively poke at the
gunman's apartment -- he told the cops it was booby-trapped.
That's just an ordinary theater. I've been to movies there. Aurora has
a so-so reputation, but the Aurora Town Center is just a big mall. The
library and the city hall are right there. It's not a dump. It's just a
suburban theater.
Greg Goss
Jul 20, 2012, 10:58:56 AM7/20/12
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Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
>with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
>very quickly and rumors are flying.
>
>What the hell is this world coming to?
Whaddya expect, since the whole movie is a conspiracy to make the
>Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
>with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
>very quickly and rumors are flying.
>
>What the hell is this world coming to?
Republican candidate look bad, what with Bane and all. Of course the
right wing must fight back.
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I used to own a mind like a steel trap.
Perhaps if I'd specified a brass one, it
wouldn't have rusted like this.
Beaver Fever
Jul 20, 2012, 11:07:10 AM7/20/12
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On Jul 20, 2:12 am, Sanford Manley <ansa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
> with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
> very quickly and rumors are flying.
>
> What the hell is this world coming to?
>
That was my first response too - when I found out someone took a 3
> Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
> with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
> very quickly and rumors are flying.
>
> What the hell is this world coming to?
>
month old to the movie.
Les Albert
Jul 20, 2012, 11:15:34 AM7/20/12
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On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 05:12:28 -0400, Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
>with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
>very quickly and rumors are flying.
>What the hell is this world coming to?
Evil lives on.
Les
wrote:
>Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
>with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
>very quickly and rumors are flying.
>What the hell is this world coming to?
Les
Sanford Manley
Jul 20, 2012, 11:23:07 AM7/20/12
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people tell is that good and evil are relative
and that somehow we will learn that society
is responsible for this, not the shooter.
Paul Ciszek
Jul 20, 2012, 12:37:36 PM7/20/12
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In article <jub7ds$t8i$3...@dont-email.me>,
Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
>with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
>very quickly and rumors are flying.
>
>What the hell is this world coming to?
Imagine breaking into the premier of a Batman movie wearing body armor
>Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
>with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
>very quickly and rumors are flying.
>
>What the hell is this world coming to?
and a mask, and throwing a gas cannister. Where would someone get an
idea like that in the first place?
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Mara
Jul 20, 2012, 1:26:03 PM7/20/12
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>Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
>with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
>very quickly and rumors are flying.
>
>What the hell is this world coming to?
About 14 dead and 50 wounded, the last I heard.
>with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
>very quickly and rumors are flying.
>
>What the hell is this world coming to?
--
The little birds sang sweet amid the scene of death and destruction.
-- Elisha Hunt Rhodes, 2nd R.I., May 4, 1864
Dover Beach
Jul 20, 2012, 1:29:16 PM7/20/12
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> Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
> with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
> very quickly and rumors are flying.
>
> What the hell is this world coming to?
>
And...it's a white guy who was getting a Ph.D. in neuroscience.
> with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
> very quickly and rumors are flying.
>
> What the hell is this world coming to?
>
M C Hamster
Jul 20, 2012, 1:32:06 PM7/20/12
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On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:23:07 -0400, Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com>
shooter's actions are equivalent to those of Audie Murphy in terms of
their morality.
--
"Big Wheel Keep on Turnin'" -- Creedence Clearwater Revival
wrote:
>On 7/20/2012 11:15 AM, Les Albert wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 05:12:28 -0400, Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
>>> with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
>>> very quickly and rumors are flying.
>>> What the hell is this world coming to?
>> Evil lives on.
>
>Oh no...don'tcha know that the touchy-feely
>people tell is that good and evil are relative
>and that somehow we will learn that society
>is responsible for this, not the shooter.
Right. There are some in this newsgroup, in fact, who would say this
>On 7/20/2012 11:15 AM, Les Albert wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 05:12:28 -0400, Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
>>> with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
>>> very quickly and rumors are flying.
>>> What the hell is this world coming to?
>> Evil lives on.
>
>Oh no...don'tcha know that the touchy-feely
>people tell is that good and evil are relative
>and that somehow we will learn that society
>is responsible for this, not the shooter.
shooter's actions are equivalent to those of Audie Murphy in terms of
their morality.
--
"Big Wheel Keep on Turnin'" -- Creedence Clearwater Revival
David J. Martin
Jul 20, 2012, 1:37:10 PM7/20/12
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Judeo-Christian beliefs.
David
Dover Beach
Jul 20, 2012, 1:44:26 PM7/20/12
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David J. Martin <djmarti...@tamu.edu> wrote in
news:564598008364498459.13094...@news.eternal-septe
mber.org:
> One of our Texas Congressmen has attributed the cause to attacks on
> Judeo-Christian beliefs.
>
"A San Diego neighbor of alleged Colorado shooter James Holmes remembers
him as a very shy, well-mannered young man who was heavily involved in
their local Presbyterian church."
news:564598008364498459.13094...@news.eternal-septe
mber.org:
> One of our Texas Congressmen has attributed the cause to attacks on
> Judeo-Christian beliefs.
>
him as a very shy, well-mannered young man who was heavily involved in
their local Presbyterian church."
Sanford Manley
Jul 20, 2012, 2:12:25 PM7/20/12
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bobg
Jul 20, 2012, 2:13:00 PM7/20/12
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On Friday, July 20, 2012 1:29:16 PM UTC-4, Dover wrote:
> Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:jub7ds$t8i$3...@dont-email.me:
>
> > Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
> > with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
> > very quickly and rumors are flying.
> >
> > What the hell is this world coming to?
> >
>
> And...it's a white guy who was getting a Ph.D. in neuroscience.
It's a relief that it wasn't terrorism, at least.
> Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:jub7ds$t8i$3...@dont-email.me:
>
> > Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
> > with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
> > very quickly and rumors are flying.
> >
> > What the hell is this world coming to?
> >
>
> And...it's a white guy who was getting a Ph.D. in neuroscience.
It's a relief that it wasn't terrorism, at least.
bobg
Jul 20, 2012, 2:12:16 PM7/20/12
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On Friday, July 20, 2012 1:44:26 PM UTC-4, Dover wrote:
> David J. Martin <djmarti...@tamu.edu> wrote in
> news:564598008364498459.13094...@news.eternal-septe
> mber.org:
>
>
> > One of our Texas Congressmen has attributed the cause to attacks on
> > Judeo-Christian beliefs.
> >
>
> "A San Diego neighbor of alleged Colorado shooter James Holmes remembers
No *true* Presbyterian would ever do something like that.
> David J. Martin <djmarti...@tamu.edu> wrote in
> news:564598008364498459.13094...@news.eternal-septe
> mber.org:
>
>
> > One of our Texas Congressmen has attributed the cause to attacks on
> > Judeo-Christian beliefs.
> >
>
> "A San Diego neighbor of alleged Colorado shooter James Holmes remembers
> him as a very shy, well-mannered young man who was heavily involved in
> their local Presbyterian church."
No *true* Presbyterian would ever do something like that.
Sanford Manley
Jul 20, 2012, 2:14:17 PM7/20/12
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are well known for their extreme bake sales, pot-luck dinners,
and thrift shops of DOOM!
Les Albert
Jul 20, 2012, 2:16:00 PM7/20/12
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On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:12:25 -0400, Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com>
wrote:
aberration of nature.
Les
wrote:
>>> Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
>>> with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
>>> very quickly and rumors are flying.
>>> What the hell is this world coming to?
>> And...it's a white guy who was getting a Ph.D. in neuroscience.
>Well, something must be wrong with his head.
On a newscast I just heard the governor of Colorado refer to him as an
>>> with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
>>> very quickly and rumors are flying.
>>> What the hell is this world coming to?
>> And...it's a white guy who was getting a Ph.D. in neuroscience.
>Well, something must be wrong with his head.
aberration of nature.
Les
bill van
Jul 20, 2012, 2:34:19 PM7/20/12
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In article <c7f78aeb-3fa0-499c...@googlegroups.com>,
Is it? How is it different from terrorism, either in how it was
executed, or in the effect on the victims and others?
bill
executed, or in the effect on the victims and others?
bill
art...@yahoo.com
Jul 20, 2012, 2:46:25 PM7/20/12
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On Jul 20, 2:34 pm, bill van <bill...@delete.shaw.ca> wrote:
> In article <c7f78aeb-3fa0-499c...@googlegroups.com>,
>
> bobg <byo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Friday, July 20, 2012 1:29:16 PM UTC-4, Dover wrote:
> > > Sanford Manley <ansa...@gmail.com> wrote in
> In article <c7f78aeb-3fa0-499c...@googlegroups.com>,
>
> bobg <byo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Friday, July 20, 2012 1:29:16 PM UTC-4, Dover wrote:
> > >news:jub7ds$t8i$3...@dont-email.me:
>
> > > > Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
> > > > with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
> > > > very quickly and rumors are flying.
> > > >
> > > > What the hell is this world coming to?
> > > >
>
> > > And...it's a white guy who was getting a Ph.D. in neuroscience.
>
> > It's a relief that it wasn't terrorism, at least.
>
> Is it? How is it different from terrorism, either in how it was
> executed, or in the effect on the victims and others?
They tend to get their Ph.Ds in chemistry.
>
> > > > Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
> > > > with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
> > > > very quickly and rumors are flying.
> > > >
> > > > What the hell is this world coming to?
> > > >
>
> > > And...it's a white guy who was getting a Ph.D. in neuroscience.
>
> > It's a relief that it wasn't terrorism, at least.
>
> Is it? How is it different from terrorism, either in how it was
> executed, or in the effect on the victims and others?
bill van
Jul 20, 2012, 3:05:32 PM7/20/12
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In article <jubt4r$rcn$1...@dont-email.me>,
That's kind of a cheap shot at unnamed persons, innit? Got anyone in
mind?
Perhaps he's criminally insane, and perhaps he's just a murderer. Either
way, he'll be locked away for a long time, at the least. Does Colorado
have the death penalty?
bill
mind?
Perhaps he's criminally insane, and perhaps he's just a murderer. Either
way, he'll be locked away for a long time, at the least. Does Colorado
have the death penalty?
bill
Minnie Castevet
Jul 20, 2012, 3:03:47 PM7/20/12
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Reports of shooting at a theater in Aurora Colorado.<<
--snip--
----------------
The news was horrific but you should listen to some talk radio hosts,
one said, "a gentleman, aged twenty four... "
This was national too, I was making dinner and almost dropped my
spatula!
--snip--
----------------
The news was horrific but you should listen to some talk radio hosts,
one said, "a gentleman, aged twenty four... "
This was national too, I was making dinner and almost dropped my
spatula!
Dover Beach
Jul 20, 2012, 3:20:34 PM7/20/12
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bill van <bil...@delete.shaw.ca> wrote in
news:billvan-18DB6D...@news.shawcable.net:
Technically yes, but we rarely use it. The guy who shot up the Chuck E.
Cheese 19 years ago is still sitting on Death Row. And that guy was
black. We just don't get around to it.
news:billvan-18DB6D...@news.shawcable.net:
Cheese 19 years ago is still sitting on Death Row. And that guy was
black. We just don't get around to it.
Dover Beach
Jul 20, 2012, 3:46:35 PM7/20/12
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tanni...@webtv.net (Minnie Castevet) wrote in
news:24071-500...@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net:
>
> The news was horrific but you should listen to some talk radio hosts,
> one said, "a gentleman, aged twenty four... "
>
> This was national too, I was making dinner and almost dropped my
> spatula!
>
Why can't they find some of the other neuroscience students and
interview them? I bet the other students know something about him.
Right now the news is reporting stuff like this:
"A syllabus that lists Holmes as a student at the medical school shows
that he may have taken a class in which he studied topics as diverse as
substance abuse, schizophrenia, depression and other disorders."
Yes. That would be because he was studying neuroscience.
"According to the document, he was to have delivered a presentation in
May about microRNA biomarkers."
OMG! Not the microRNA biomarkers! You mean...he had HOMEWORK?
Sheesh.
news:24071-500...@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net:
>
> The news was horrific but you should listen to some talk radio hosts,
> one said, "a gentleman, aged twenty four... "
>
> This was national too, I was making dinner and almost dropped my
> spatula!
>
interview them? I bet the other students know something about him.
Right now the news is reporting stuff like this:
"A syllabus that lists Holmes as a student at the medical school shows
that he may have taken a class in which he studied topics as diverse as
substance abuse, schizophrenia, depression and other disorders."
Yes. That would be because he was studying neuroscience.
"According to the document, he was to have delivered a presentation in
May about microRNA biomarkers."
OMG! Not the microRNA biomarkers! You mean...he had HOMEWORK?
Sheesh.
Beaver Fever
Jul 20, 2012, 3:52:55 PM7/20/12
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On Jul 20, 5:44 am, Dover Beach <moon.blanc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sanford Manley <ansa...@gmail.com> wrote innews:jub7ds$t8i$3...@dont-email.me:
I snapped awake at 3:45am when it hit the news on NPR. At first I was
wondering if a different story was going national then I thought of my
niece who lives in Aurora. Then a friend who lives in Aurora.
Hopefully they will publish the death list soon.
> Sanford Manley <ansa...@gmail.com> wrote innews:jub7ds$t8i$3...@dont-email.me:
wondering if a different story was going national then I thought of my
niece who lives in Aurora. Then a friend who lives in Aurora.
Hopefully they will publish the death list soon.
Tim Wright
Jul 20, 2012, 3:56:06 PM7/20/12
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college student went whackadoodle and killed people."
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Veronique
Jul 20, 2012, 3:55:55 PM7/20/12
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On Jul 20, 12:46 pm, Dover Beach <moon.blanc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> tannisr...@webtv.net (Minnie Castevet) wrote innews:24071-500...@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net:
""No one knew him. No one."
V.
--
Veronique Chez Sheep
> tannisr...@webtv.net (Minnie Castevet) wrote innews:24071-500...@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net:
>
>
>
> > The news was horrific but you should listen to some talk radio hosts,
> > one said, "a gentleman, aged twenty four... "
>
> > This was national too, I was making dinner and almost dropped my
> > spatula!
>
> Why can't they find some of the other neuroscience students and
> interview them? I bet the other students know something about him.
The Denver Post quoted one of his neighbors, a pharmacy student:
>
>
> > The news was horrific but you should listen to some talk radio hosts,
> > one said, "a gentleman, aged twenty four... "
>
> > This was national too, I was making dinner and almost dropped my
> > spatula!
>
> Why can't they find some of the other neuroscience students and
> interview them? I bet the other students know something about him.
""No one knew him. No one."
V.
--
Veronique Chez Sheep
Dover Beach
Jul 20, 2012, 4:09:23 PM7/20/12
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Veronique <veroniq...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:e139906a-d193-4bfa...@qk10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> Why can't they find some of the other neuroscience students and
>> interview them? �I bet the other students know something about him.
>
>
> The Denver Post quoted one of his neighbors, a pharmacy student:
>
> ""No one knew him. No one."
>
His picture looks so normal. Not like that guy who shot Gabby Giffords
-- he had the Crazy Eyes. This guy looks like a total normaloid.
news:e139906a-d193-4bfa...@qk10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> Why can't they find some of the other neuroscience students and
>> interview them? �I bet the other students know something about him.
>
>
> The Denver Post quoted one of his neighbors, a pharmacy student:
>
> ""No one knew him. No one."
>
-- he had the Crazy Eyes. This guy looks like a total normaloid.
bill van
Jul 20, 2012, 4:09:35 PM7/20/12
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In article <XnsA0968C24A3DDBmo...@130.133.4.11>,
Which news? The Denver Post website seems to have dozens of stories.
Nothing yet that I can see from fellow students, but I suspect that's
only a matter of time. It's July, so they will have dispersed all over
the place.
bill
Nothing yet that I can see from fellow students, but I suspect that's
only a matter of time. It's July, so they will have dispersed all over
the place.
bill
Veronique
Jul 20, 2012, 4:16:43 PM7/20/12
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On Jul 20, 1:09 pm, Dover Beach <moon.blanc...@gmail.com> wrote:
The photo shows a no-teeth smile, though. I don't understand no-teeth
smiles.
Here's what the Washington Post has to say:
"A neuroscience faculty member, who declined to be identified because
of privacy concerns, described Holmes as “very quiet, strangely quiet
in class,” and said he seemed “socially off.” Although Holmes got weak
scores on the comprehensive exams last semester, the educator said,
the school’s staff wasn’t going to toss him out. Instead, they planned
to give him remedial instruction and perhaps put him on academic
probation."
smiles.
Here's what the Washington Post has to say:
"A neuroscience faculty member, who declined to be identified because
of privacy concerns, described Holmes as “very quiet, strangely quiet
in class,” and said he seemed “socially off.” Although Holmes got weak
scores on the comprehensive exams last semester, the educator said,
the school’s staff wasn’t going to toss him out. Instead, they planned
to give him remedial instruction and perhaps put him on academic
probation."
Beaver Fever
Jul 20, 2012, 4:21:20 PM7/20/12
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Sanford Manley
Jul 20, 2012, 4:38:04 PM7/20/12
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he was enamored of Anders Breivik with the number of people
he shot and the tactical gear.
At least I will not have to hear about Zimmerman 24-7.
Sanford Manley
Jul 20, 2012, 4:39:44 PM7/20/12
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Sanford Manley
Jul 20, 2012, 4:42:12 PM7/20/12
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On 7/20/2012 4:16 PM, Veronique wrote:
> On Jul 20, 1:09 pm, Dover Beach <moon.blanc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Veronique <veroniqueuni...@gmail.com> wrote innews:e139906a-d193-4bfa...@qk10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>>>> Why can't they find some of the other neuroscience students and
>>>> interview them? I bet the other students know something about him.
>>
>>> The Denver Post quoted one of his neighbors, a pharmacy student:
>>
>>> ""No one knew him. No one."
>>
>> His picture looks so normal. Not like that guy who shot Gabby Giffords
>> -- he had the Crazy Eyes. This guy looks like a total normaloid.
>
>
>
> The photo shows a no-teeth smile, though. I don't understand no-teeth
> smiles.
>
>
> Here's what the Washington Post has to say:
>
> "A neuroscience faculty member, who declined to be identified because
> of privacy concerns, described Holmes as �very quiet, strangely quiet
> On Jul 20, 1:09 pm, Dover Beach <moon.blanc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Veronique <veroniqueuni...@gmail.com> wrote innews:e139906a-d193-4bfa...@qk10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>>>> Why can't they find some of the other neuroscience students and
>>>> interview them? I bet the other students know something about him.
>>
>>> The Denver Post quoted one of his neighbors, a pharmacy student:
>>
>>> ""No one knew him. No one."
>>
>> His picture looks so normal. Not like that guy who shot Gabby Giffords
>> -- he had the Crazy Eyes. This guy looks like a total normaloid.
>
>
>
> The photo shows a no-teeth smile, though. I don't understand no-teeth
> smiles.
>
>
> Here's what the Washington Post has to say:
>
> "A neuroscience faculty member, who declined to be identified because
> in class,� and said he seemed �socially off.� Although Holmes got weak
> scores on the comprehensive exams last semester, the educator said,
> the school�s staff wasn�t going to toss him out. Instead, they planned
> to give him remedial instruction and perhaps put him on academic
> probation."
Based on the report that he graduated UC Riverside with honors, I bet
> probation."
something was going on emotionally or mentally that affected his
performance. Maybe he was doing some secret Dr. Jeckle - Mr.Hyde sort
of home drug. "He was blinded by science!"
Pierre Jelenc
Jul 20, 2012, 4:51:12 PM7/20/12
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In article <2679317f-44e7-4475...@oe8g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
Pierre
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The Gigometer www.gigometer.com
The NYC Beer Guide www.nycbeer.org
Veronique <veroniq...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>The photo shows a no-teeth smile, though. I don't understand no-teeth
>smiles.
Huh? How do you feel about freckles, then? Or flat feet?
>
>The photo shows a no-teeth smile, though. I don't understand no-teeth
>smiles.
Pierre
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The Gigometer www.gigometer.com
The NYC Beer Guide www.nycbeer.org
Les Albert
Jul 20, 2012, 5:45:28 PM7/20/12
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On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:16:43 -0700 (PDT), Veronique
<veroniq...@gmail.com> wrote:
>The photo shows a no-teeth smile, though. I don't understand no-teeth
>smiles.
>...
<veroniq...@gmail.com> wrote:
>The photo shows a no-teeth smile, though. I don't understand no-teeth
>smiles.
Bad teeth?
Les
Les Albert
Jul 20, 2012, 5:46:47 PM7/20/12
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On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:51:12 +0000 (UTC), rc...@panix.com (Pierre
Jelenc) wrote:
>Veronique <veroniq...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>The photo shows a no-teeth smile, though. I don't understand no-teeth
>>smiles.
>Huh? How do you feel about freckles, then? Or flat feet?
Freckles and/or flat feet? They should put those people someplace!
Jelenc) wrote:
>Veronique <veroniq...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>The photo shows a no-teeth smile, though. I don't understand no-teeth
>>smiles.
>Huh? How do you feel about freckles, then? Or flat feet?
Les
Opus the Penguin
Jul 20, 2012, 5:55:08 PM7/20/12
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the 12,742 smaller Presbyterian denominations. But I refuse to tell
you which one.
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Dover Beach
Jul 20, 2012, 6:05:00 PM7/20/12
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Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:jucfr4$jd7$3...@dont-email.me:
>
> Based on the report that he graduated UC Riverside with honors, I bet
> something was going on emotionally or mentally that affected his
> performance. Maybe he was doing some secret Dr. Jeckle - Mr.Hyde sort
> of home drug. "He was blinded by science!"
>
shooting" kind of drug-influenced violence. This took considerable
planning and strategizing. You don't get wasted and construct a
complicated booby trap for your apartment.
Mark Brader
Jul 20, 2012, 6:47:29 PM7/20/12
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"bobg":
of an ongoing campaign of violence directed against the same sort
of people in an attempt to further a specific continuing goal.
The difference in the effect is that if it was, then some people
would be more distressed.
(At least, that's a reasonable approximation of the point.)
<*> As far as we know.
--
Mark Brader "...there are other means of persuasion
m...@vex.net besides killing and threatening to kill."
Toronto --Dashiell Hammett, The Maltese Falcon
My text in this article is in the public domain.
>> It's a relief that it wasn't terrorism, at least.
"bill van":
> Is it? How is it different from terrorism, either in how it was
> executed, or in the effect on the victims and others?
The difference is that it's not planned<*> or announced to be part
> executed, or in the effect on the victims and others?
of an ongoing campaign of violence directed against the same sort
of people in an attempt to further a specific continuing goal.
The difference in the effect is that if it was, then some people
would be more distressed.
(At least, that's a reasonable approximation of the point.)
<*> As far as we know.
--
Mark Brader "...there are other means of persuasion
m...@vex.net besides killing and threatening to kill."
Toronto --Dashiell Hammett, The Maltese Falcon
My text in this article is in the public domain.
Paul Ciszek
Jul 20, 2012, 6:52:29 PM7/20/12
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In article <dv7j08hj56g7nchoj...@4ax.com>,
society could not exist. Our entire world is built on the assumption
that people like him are rare.
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Beaver Fever
Jul 20, 2012, 6:56:53 PM7/20/12
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quiet people face every day.
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Jul 20, 2012, 7:40:53 PM7/20/12
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On 7/20/2012 2:12 PM, bobg wrote:
> On Friday, July 20, 2012 1:44:26 PM UTC-4, Dover wrote:
>> David J. Martin <djmarti...@tamu.edu> wrote in
>> news:564598008364498459.13094...@news.eternal-septe
>> mber.org:
>>
>>
>> > One of our Texas Congressmen has attributed the cause to attacks on
>> > Judeo-Christian beliefs.
>> >
>>
>> "A San Diego neighbor of alleged Colorado shooter James Holmes remembers
>> him as a very shy, well-mannered young man who was heavily involved in
>> their local Presbyterian church."
>
> No *true* Presbyterian would ever do something like that.
>
A fine example of radical predestinationism from a rabid follower of Calvin.
> On Friday, July 20, 2012 1:44:26 PM UTC-4, Dover wrote:
>> David J. Martin <djmarti...@tamu.edu> wrote in
>> news:564598008364498459.13094...@news.eternal-septe
>> mber.org:
>>
>>
>> > One of our Texas Congressmen has attributed the cause to attacks on
>> > Judeo-Christian beliefs.
>> >
>>
>> "A San Diego neighbor of alleged Colorado shooter James Holmes remembers
>> him as a very shy, well-mannered young man who was heavily involved in
>> their local Presbyterian church."
>
> No *true* Presbyterian would ever do something like that.
>
Charles
Paul Ciszek
Jul 20, 2012, 7:53:47 PM7/20/12
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In article <jucnfc$22v$2...@reader1.panix.com>,
Paul Ciszek <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>In article <dv7j08hj56g7nchoj...@4ax.com>,
>Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com> wrote:
>>On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:12:25 -0400, Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>>On 7/20/2012 1:29 PM, Dover Beach wrote:
>>>> Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>> Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
>>>>> with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
>>>>> very quickly and rumors are flying.
>>
>>>>> What the hell is this world coming to?
>>
>>>> And...it's a white guy who was getting a Ph.D. in neuroscience.
>>
>>>Well, something must be wrong with his head.
>>
>>On a newscast I just heard the governor of Colorado refer to him as an
>>aberration of nature.
>
>I can't argue with that. If even, say, 1% of people were like that,
>society could not exist. Our entire world is built on the assumption
>that people like him are rare.
I wanted to add, the governor has every reason to be pissed at this
>
>In article <dv7j08hj56g7nchoj...@4ax.com>,
>Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com> wrote:
>>On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:12:25 -0400, Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>>On 7/20/2012 1:29 PM, Dover Beach wrote:
>>>> Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>> Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
>>>>> with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
>>>>> very quickly and rumors are flying.
>>
>>>>> What the hell is this world coming to?
>>
>>>> And...it's a white guy who was getting a Ph.D. in neuroscience.
>>
>>>Well, something must be wrong with his head.
>>
>>On a newscast I just heard the governor of Colorado refer to him as an
>>aberration of nature.
>
>I can't argue with that. If even, say, 1% of people were like that,
>society could not exist. Our entire world is built on the assumption
>that people like him are rare.
guy on a personal level. Former governor Bill Owens, who had been
in office only three months when Columbine happened, writes about what
Hickenlooper must be going through now:
http://blogs.denverpost.com/thespot/2012/07/20/colorado-gov-hickenlooper-faces-challenges-shooting-predecessor/77170/
art...@yahoo.com
Jul 20, 2012, 8:48:36 PM7/20/12
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and shy...
art...@yahoo.com
Jul 20, 2012, 9:09:59 PM7/20/12
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On Jul 20, 7:30 pm, Tim <adminstra...@nowhere.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 05:12:28 -0400, Sanford Manley <ansa...@gmail.com>
Apparently he claimed he was the Joker.
hmm
http://tinyurl.com/ce7e4qk
http://tinyurl.com/c4r2kxw
Could be..
> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 05:12:28 -0400, Sanford Manley <ansa...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
> >with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
> >very quickly and rumors are flying.
>
> >What the hell is this world coming to?
>
> A fanboy who meant it.
>
> >Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
> >with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
> >very quickly and rumors are flying.
>
> >What the hell is this world coming to?
>
Apparently he claimed he was the Joker.
hmm
http://tinyurl.com/ce7e4qk
http://tinyurl.com/c4r2kxw
Could be..
rroger
Jul 20, 2012, 10:41:59 PM7/20/12
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--
rr-yea, I know that it doesn't rhyme, so sue me-oger
Xho Jingleheimerschmidt
Jul 20, 2012, 9:07:59 PM7/20/12
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On 07/20/2012 12:20 PM, Dover Beach wrote:
>
> Technically yes, but we rarely use it. The guy who shot up the Chuck E.
> Cheese 19 years ago is still sitting on Death Row. And that guy was
> black. We just don't get around to it.
"The death penaly: We just can't be arsed."
Xho
>
> Technically yes, but we rarely use it. The guy who shot up the Chuck E.
> Cheese 19 years ago is still sitting on Death Row. And that guy was
> black. We just don't get around to it.
"The death penaly: We just can't be arsed."
Xho
Xho Jingleheimerschmidt
Jul 20, 2012, 9:13:08 PM7/20/12
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On 07/20/2012 09:37 AM, Paul Ciszek wrote:
> In article <jub7ds$t8i$3...@dont-email.me>,
> and a mask, and throwing a gas cannister.
It's easy, if you try.
Xho
--
Bingo Ringo
> In article <jub7ds$t8i$3...@dont-email.me>,
> Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
>> with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
>> very quickly and rumors are flying.
>>
>> What the hell is this world coming to?
>
> Imagine breaking into the premier of a Batman movie wearing body armor
>> Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
>> with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
>> very quickly and rumors are flying.
>>
>> What the hell is this world coming to?
>
> and a mask, and throwing a gas cannister.
It's easy, if you try.
Xho
--
Bingo Ringo
Xho Jingleheimerschmidt
Jul 20, 2012, 10:12:36 PM7/20/12
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> news:24071-500...@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net:
>
>>
>> The news was horrific but you should listen to some talk radio hosts,
>> one said, "a gentleman, aged twenty four... "
>>
>> This was national too, I was making dinner and almost dropped my
>> spatula!
>>
>
>
>>
>> The news was horrific but you should listen to some talk radio hosts,
>> one said, "a gentleman, aged twenty four... "
>>
>> This was national too, I was making dinner and almost dropped my
>> spatula!
>>
>
> Why can't they find some of the other neuroscience students and
> interview them? I bet the other students know something about him.
> interview them? I bet the other students know something about him.
> Right now the news is reporting stuff like this:
>
> "A syllabus that lists Holmes as a student at the medical school shows
> that he may have taken a class in which he studied topics as diverse as
> substance abuse, schizophrenia, depression and other disorders."
>
> Yes. That would be because he was studying neuroscience.
>
> "According to the document, he was to have delivered a presentation in
> May about microRNA biomarkers."
>
> OMG! Not the microRNA biomarkers! You mean...he had HOMEWORK?
> Sheesh.
What kind of syllabus lists students by name, much less their individual
>
> "A syllabus that lists Holmes as a student at the medical school shows
> that he may have taken a class in which he studied topics as diverse as
> substance abuse, schizophrenia, depression and other disorders."
>
> Yes. That would be because he was studying neuroscience.
>
> "According to the document, he was to have delivered a presentation in
> May about microRNA biomarkers."
>
> OMG! Not the microRNA biomarkers! You mean...he had HOMEWORK?
> Sheesh.
topic papers? Wouldn't that be against the federal oompa loompa act?
Xho
Xho Jingleheimerschmidt
Jul 20, 2012, 11:39:01 PM7/20/12
to
On 07/20/2012 11:12 AM, Sanford Manley wrote:
> On 7/20/2012 1:29 PM, Dover Beach wrote:
>> Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com> wrote in
> On 7/20/2012 1:29 PM, Dover Beach wrote:
>> news:jub7ds$t8i$3...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
>>> with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
>>> very quickly and rumors are flying.
>>>
>>> What the hell is this world coming to?
>>>
>>
>>> Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
>>> with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
>>> very quickly and rumors are flying.
>>>
>>> What the hell is this world coming to?
>>>
>>
>> And...it's a white guy who was getting a Ph.D. in neuroscience.
>>
>
> Well, something must be wrong with his head.
Well, obviously. Normal people do occasionally shot dozens of strangers
>>
>
> Well, something must be wrong with his head.
for no apparent reason, but one has never taken a PhD in neuroscience.
Xho
Opus the Penguin
Jul 21, 2012, 12:55:15 AM7/21/12
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so he never bothered reading him. That's pretty common. I'd say 99
out of 100 comments I read that involve "Calvin" or "Calvinism"
reflect no knowledge of what Calvin actually taught.
Kevin
Jul 21, 2012, 1:22:54 AM7/21/12
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Dhubghall
Jul 21, 2012, 6:47:00 AM7/21/12
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Opus the Penguin <opusthepen...@gmail.com> wrote:
snowpeople, also that dinosaurs flying jet fighters are totally awesome!
Although the tiger did teach me that "the life of man, solitary, poor,
nasty, brutish, and short." Damn that plush toy had a dark side.
Dougall
Hactar
Jul 21, 2012, 9:29:06 AM7/21/12
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In article <500a22de$0$10067$ed36...@nr5-q3a.newsreader.com>,
Friend of mine had the (NY?) tag EZIFUTRY. He referred to the car as
Ezi Futry.
--
-eben QebWe...@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity,
and I'm not sure about the former." -- Albert Einstein
Ezi Futry.
--
-eben QebWe...@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity,
and I'm not sure about the former." -- Albert Einstein
Opus the Penguin
Jul 21, 2012, 12:11:12 PM7/21/12
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Paul Madarasz
Jul 21, 2012, 12:57:39 PM7/21/12
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On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 08:58:56 -0600, Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote,
perhaps among other things:
>Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
>>with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
>>very quickly and rumors are flying.
>>
>>What the hell is this world coming to?
>
>Whaddya expect, since the whole movie is a conspiracy to make the
>Republican candidate look bad, what with Bane and all. Of course the
>right wing must fight back.
First off, how can one movie be a conspiracy? Second off, I think
Romney is doing a bang-up job making himself look bad all by himself.
perhaps among other things:
>Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
>>with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
>>very quickly and rumors are flying.
>>
>>What the hell is this world coming to?
>
>Republican candidate look bad, what with Bane and all. Of course the
>right wing must fight back.
First off, how can one movie be a conspiracy? Second off, I think
Romney is doing a bang-up job making himself look bad all by himself.
Paul Madarasz
Jul 21, 2012, 1:00:13 PM7/21/12
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On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:23:07 -0400, Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com>
>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 05:12:28 -0400, Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com>
>
>Oh no...don'tcha know that the touchy-feely
>people tell is that good and evil are relative
>and that somehow we will learn that society
>is responsible for this, not the shooter.
Well, I'm kinda a touchy-feely kind of guy myself, and I do blame the
PhD candidate for his crimes. Then again, a gun culture like we have
here in Muraka didn't help, that's for sure.
Gas mask? The mind boggles.
wrote, perhaps among other things:
>On 7/20/2012 11:15 AM, Les Albert wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 05:12:28 -0400, Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
>>> with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
>>> very quickly and rumors are flying.
>>> What the hell is this world coming to?
>> Evil lives on.
>>
>>> Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
>>> with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
>>> very quickly and rumors are flying.
>>> What the hell is this world coming to?
>
>Oh no...don'tcha know that the touchy-feely
>people tell is that good and evil are relative
>and that somehow we will learn that society
>is responsible for this, not the shooter.
Well, I'm kinda a touchy-feely kind of guy myself, and I do blame the
PhD candidate for his crimes. Then again, a gun culture like we have
here in Muraka didn't help, that's for sure.
Gas mask? The mind boggles.
Paul Madarasz
Jul 21, 2012, 1:01:05 PM7/21/12
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On 20 Jul 2012 12:32:06 -0500, M C Hamster
<davo...@nospam-speakeasy.net> wrote, perhaps among other things:
>wrote:
>shooter's actions are equivalent to those of Audie Murphy in terms of
>their morality.
I'm just boggled that a hero would have a name like "Audie".
<davo...@nospam-speakeasy.net> wrote, perhaps among other things:
>wrote:
>
>>On 7/20/2012 11:15 AM, Les Albert wrote:
>>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 05:12:28 -0400, Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
>>>> with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
>>>> very quickly and rumors are flying.
>>>> What the hell is this world coming to?
>>> Evil lives on.
>>
>>Oh no...don'tcha know that the touchy-feely
>>people tell is that good and evil are relative
>>and that somehow we will learn that society
>>is responsible for this, not the shooter.
>
>Right. There are some in this newsgroup, in fact, who would say this
>>On 7/20/2012 11:15 AM, Les Albert wrote:
>>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 05:12:28 -0400, Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
>>>> with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
>>>> very quickly and rumors are flying.
>>>> What the hell is this world coming to?
>>> Evil lives on.
>>
>>Oh no...don'tcha know that the touchy-feely
>>people tell is that good and evil are relative
>>and that somehow we will learn that society
>>is responsible for this, not the shooter.
>
>shooter's actions are equivalent to those of Audie Murphy in terms of
>their morality.
I'm just boggled that a hero would have a name like "Audie".
Paul Madarasz
Jul 21, 2012, 1:04:40 PM7/21/12
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On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:37:10 +0000 (UTC), David J. Martin
<djmarti...@tamu.edu> wrote, perhaps among other things:
>Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 7/20/2012 11:15 AM, Les Albert wrote:
>>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 05:12:28 -0400, Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
>>>> with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
>>>> very quickly and rumors are flying.
>>>> What the hell is this world coming to?
>>> Evil lives on.
>>
>> Oh no...don'tcha know that the touchy-feely
>> people tell is that good and evil are relative
>> and that somehow we will learn that society
>> is responsible for this, not the shooter.
>>
>
>
>
>David
What the hell are "Judeo-Christian beliefs"? I was married to a Jew
for almost 25 years, and while I am an atheist, we discussed religion
often. "Judeo" and "Christian" makes as much sense as "Druse" and
"Christian". (Judith is pretty much agnostic, herself).
<djmarti...@tamu.edu> wrote, perhaps among other things:
>Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 7/20/2012 11:15 AM, Les Albert wrote:
>>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 05:12:28 -0400, Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
>>>> with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
>>>> very quickly and rumors are flying.
>>>> What the hell is this world coming to?
>>> Evil lives on.
>>
>> Oh no...don'tcha know that the touchy-feely
>> people tell is that good and evil are relative
>> and that somehow we will learn that society
>> is responsible for this, not the shooter.
>>
>
>
>One of our Texas Congressmen has attributed the cause to attacks on
>Judeo-Christian beliefs.
>
>David
What the hell are "Judeo-Christian beliefs"? I was married to a Jew
for almost 25 years, and while I am an atheist, we discussed religion
often. "Judeo" and "Christian" makes as much sense as "Druse" and
"Christian". (Judith is pretty much agnostic, herself).
Paul Madarasz
Jul 21, 2012, 1:06:28 PM7/21/12
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On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 21:55:08 +0000 (UTC), Opus the Penguin
<opusthepen...@gmail.com> wrote, perhaps among other things:
I have, in the past, declared that I was a Three-Sheets-To-The-Wind
Anabaptist. No one got the joke.
<opusthepen...@gmail.com> wrote, perhaps among other things:
Anabaptist. No one got the joke.
Paul Madarasz
Jul 21, 2012, 1:07:13 PM7/21/12
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 04:55:15 +0000 (UTC), Opus the Penguin
I've read Calvin. He's insane.
Paul Madarasz
Jul 21, 2012, 1:08:59 PM7/21/12
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On 21 Jul 2012 10:47:00 GMT, Dhubghall <dou...@fnord.prismnet.com>
Solitary, Poor, Nasty, Brutish, and Short is the law firm I have on
retainer.
wrote, perhaps among other things:
retainer.
Snidely
Jul 21, 2012, 1:20:52 PM7/21/12
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Paul Madarasz used his keyboard to write :
Well, the most common use of JCB is for elements of Western _culture_
(with an emphasis on religious beliefs) that come out of Christian
tradition, but throwing the net a little wider to be inclusive of the
beliefs of the Tribes of Israel (same God, just put the book down too
soon).
And yes, serious Christians do look at what the Jewish beliefs are. A
few even manage to understand them, but I'm guessing that I personally
would have a lot to learn.
Of course, it's a fine American Tradition with European roots to
confuse secular beliefs with religious beliefs, but since some of the
religions found in various places claim to rule the secular world, that
isn't completely surprising I suppose I should rewrite this sentence
maybe next week I'll figure out how to word it better okay.
/dps
--
Who, me? And what lacuna?
(with an emphasis on religious beliefs) that come out of Christian
tradition, but throwing the net a little wider to be inclusive of the
beliefs of the Tribes of Israel (same God, just put the book down too
soon).
And yes, serious Christians do look at what the Jewish beliefs are. A
few even manage to understand them, but I'm guessing that I personally
would have a lot to learn.
Of course, it's a fine American Tradition with European roots to
confuse secular beliefs with religious beliefs, but since some of the
religions found in various places claim to rule the secular world, that
isn't completely surprising I suppose I should rewrite this sentence
maybe next week I'll figure out how to word it better okay.
/dps
--
Who, me? And what lacuna?
Les Albert
Jul 21, 2012, 1:34:04 PM7/21/12
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:20:52 -0700, Snidely <snide...@gmail.com>
wrote:
(for the first time), and I think it's a good statement.
Les
wrote:
>Paul Madarasz used his keyboard to write :
>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:37:10 +0000 (UTC), David J. Martin
>> <djmarti...@tamu.edu> wrote, perhaps among other things:
>>> Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 7/20/2012 11:15 AM, Les Albert wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 05:12:28 -0400, Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
>>>>>> with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
>>>>>> very quickly and rumors are flying.
>>>>>> What the hell is this world coming to?
>>>>> Evil lives on.
>>>> Oh no...don'tcha know that the touchy-feely
>>>> people tell is that good and evil are relative
>>>> and that somehow we will learn that society
>>>> is responsible for this, not the shooter.
>>> One of our Texas Congressmen has attributed the cause to attacks on
>>> Judeo-Christian beliefs.
>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:37:10 +0000 (UTC), David J. Martin
>> <djmarti...@tamu.edu> wrote, perhaps among other things:
>>> Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 7/20/2012 11:15 AM, Les Albert wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 05:12:28 -0400, Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
>>>>>> with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
>>>>>> very quickly and rumors are flying.
>>>>>> What the hell is this world coming to?
>>>>> Evil lives on.
>>>> Oh no...don'tcha know that the touchy-feely
>>>> people tell is that good and evil are relative
>>>> and that somehow we will learn that society
>>>> is responsible for this, not the shooter.
>>> One of our Texas Congressmen has attributed the cause to attacks on
>>> Judeo-Christian beliefs.
>> What the hell are "Judeo-Christian beliefs"? I was married to a Jew
>> for almost 25 years, and while I am an atheist, we discussed religion
>> often. "Judeo" and "Christian" makes as much sense as "Druse" and
>> "Christian". (Judith is pretty much agnostic, herself).
>Well, the most common use of JCB is for elements of Western _culture_
>(with an emphasis on religious beliefs) that come out of Christian
>tradition, but throwing the net a little wider to be inclusive of the
>beliefs of the Tribes of Israel (same God, just put the book down too
>soon).
>And yes, serious Christians do look at what the Jewish beliefs are. A
>few even manage to understand them, but I'm guessing that I personally
>would have a lot to learn.
>Of course, it's a fine American Tradition with European roots to
>confuse secular beliefs with religious beliefs, but since some of the
>religions found in various places claim to rule the secular world, that
>isn't completely surprising I suppose I should rewrite this sentence
>maybe next week I'll figure out how to word it better okay.
It doesn't need any rewriting. I understood all of what you wrote
>> for almost 25 years, and while I am an atheist, we discussed religion
>> often. "Judeo" and "Christian" makes as much sense as "Druse" and
>> "Christian". (Judith is pretty much agnostic, herself).
>Well, the most common use of JCB is for elements of Western _culture_
>(with an emphasis on religious beliefs) that come out of Christian
>tradition, but throwing the net a little wider to be inclusive of the
>beliefs of the Tribes of Israel (same God, just put the book down too
>soon).
>And yes, serious Christians do look at what the Jewish beliefs are. A
>few even manage to understand them, but I'm guessing that I personally
>would have a lot to learn.
>Of course, it's a fine American Tradition with European roots to
>confuse secular beliefs with religious beliefs, but since some of the
>religions found in various places claim to rule the secular world, that
>isn't completely surprising I suppose I should rewrite this sentence
>maybe next week I'll figure out how to word it better okay.
(for the first time), and I think it's a good statement.
Les
Paul Madarasz
Jul 21, 2012, 2:09:20 PM7/21/12
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Paul Madarasz
Jul 21, 2012, 2:13:52 PM7/21/12
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On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 22:52:29 +0000 (UTC), nos...@nospam.com (Paul
Ciszek) wrote, perhaps among other things:
>
>In article <dv7j08hj56g7nchoj...@4ax.com>,
>Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com> wrote:
>>On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:12:25 -0400, Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
and we're part and parcel of nature. 10,000 years from now, there
will still be wars and murders. I believe that our entire world is
built on the assumption that we can kill the other guy.
Ciszek) wrote, perhaps among other things:
>
>In article <dv7j08hj56g7nchoj...@4ax.com>,
>Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com> wrote:
>>On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:12:25 -0400, Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>>On 7/20/2012 1:29 PM, Dover Beach wrote:
>>>> Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>> Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
>>>>> with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
>>>>> very quickly and rumors are flying.
>>
>>>>> What the hell is this world coming to?
>>
>>
>>>>> Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
>>>>> with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
>>>>> very quickly and rumors are flying.
>>
>>>>> What the hell is this world coming to?
>>
>>>> And...it's a white guy who was getting a Ph.D. in neuroscience.
>>
>>>Well, something must be wrong with his head.
>>
>>
>>>Well, something must be wrong with his head.
>>
>>On a newscast I just heard the governor of Colorado refer to him as an
>>aberration of nature.
>
>I can't argue with that. If even, say, 1% of people were like that,
>society could not exist. Our entire world is built on the assumption
>that people like him are rare.
I can. What do you think wars are for? Nature red in tooth and claw,
>>aberration of nature.
>
>I can't argue with that. If even, say, 1% of people were like that,
>society could not exist. Our entire world is built on the assumption
>that people like him are rare.
and we're part and parcel of nature. 10,000 years from now, there
will still be wars and murders. I believe that our entire world is
built on the assumption that we can kill the other guy.
Paul Madarasz
Jul 21, 2012, 2:14:57 PM7/21/12
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On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:34:19 -0700, bill van <bil...@delete.shaw.ca>
> bobg <byo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Friday, July 20, 2012 1:29:16 PM UTC-4, Dover wrote:
>> > Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> > news:jub7ds$t8i$3...@dont-email.me:
>> >
>> > > Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
>> > > with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
>> > > very quickly and rumors are flying.
>> > >
>> > > What the hell is this world coming to?
>> > >
>> >
>> > And...it's a white guy who was getting a Ph.D. in neuroscience.
There's no political background to the murders.
wrote, perhaps among other things:
>In article <c7f78aeb-3fa0-499c...@googlegroups.com>,
> bobg <byo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Friday, July 20, 2012 1:29:16 PM UTC-4, Dover wrote:
>> > Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> > news:jub7ds$t8i$3...@dont-email.me:
>> >
>> > > Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
>> > > with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
>> > > very quickly and rumors are flying.
>> > >
>> > > What the hell is this world coming to?
>> > >
>> >
>> > And...it's a white guy who was getting a Ph.D. in neuroscience.
>>
>> It's a relief that it wasn't terrorism, at least.
>
>> It's a relief that it wasn't terrorism, at least.
>
>Is it? How is it different from terrorism, either in how it was
>executed, or in the effect on the victims and others?
>
>bill
>executed, or in the effect on the victims and others?
>
There's no political background to the murders.
Paul Madarasz
Jul 21, 2012, 2:15:29 PM7/21/12
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On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:48:36 -0700 (PDT), "art...@yahoo.com"
<art...@yahoo.com> wrote, perhaps among other things:
Oh, shut up.
<art...@yahoo.com> wrote, perhaps among other things:
art...@yahoo.com
Jul 21, 2012, 2:16:12 PM7/21/12
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On Jul 20, 11:39 pm, Xho Jingleheimerschmidt <xhos...@gmail.com>
wrote:
virus? That didn't get as much attention as the shooting, but could be
even deadlier.
wrote:
> On 07/20/2012 11:12 AM, Sanford Manley wrote:
>
> > On 7/20/2012 1:29 PM, Dover Beach wrote:
> >> Sanford Manley <ansa...@gmail.com> wrote in
>
> > On 7/20/2012 1:29 PM, Dover Beach wrote:
> >>news:jub7ds$t8i$3...@dont-email.me:
>
> >>> Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
> >>> with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
> >>> very quickly and rumors are flying.
>
> >>> What the hell is this world coming to?
>
> >> And...it's a white guy who was getting a Ph.D. in neuroscience.
>
> > Well, something must be wrong with his head.
>
> Well, obviously. Normal people do occasionally shot dozens of strangers
> for no apparent reason, but one has never taken a PhD in neuroscience.
What's the deal with the guy who was injecting people with Hepatitis
>
> >>> Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
> >>> with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
> >>> very quickly and rumors are flying.
>
> >>> What the hell is this world coming to?
>
> >> And...it's a white guy who was getting a Ph.D. in neuroscience.
>
> > Well, something must be wrong with his head.
>
> Well, obviously. Normal people do occasionally shot dozens of strangers
> for no apparent reason, but one has never taken a PhD in neuroscience.
virus? That didn't get as much attention as the shooting, but could be
even deadlier.
Les Albert
Jul 21, 2012, 2:18:38 PM7/21/12
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 11:16:12 -0700 (PDT), "art...@yahoo.com"
<art...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Jul 20, 11:39�pm, Xho Jingleheimerschmidt <xhos...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>> On 07/20/2012 11:12 AM, Sanford Manley wrote:
>> > On 7/20/2012 1:29 PM, Dover Beach wrote:
>> >> Sanford Manley <ansa...@gmail.com> wrote
<art...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Jul 20, 11:39�pm, Xho Jingleheimerschmidt <xhos...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>> On 07/20/2012 11:12 AM, Sanford Manley wrote:
>> > On 7/20/2012 1:29 PM, Dover Beach wrote:
>> >> Sanford Manley <ansa...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >>> Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
>> >>> with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
>> >>> very quickly and rumors are flying.
>> >>> What the hell is this world coming to?
>> >> And...it's a white guy who was getting a Ph.D. in neuroscience.
>> > Well, something must be wrong with his head.
>> Well, obviously. �Normal people do occasionally shot dozens of strangers
>> for no apparent reason, but one has never taken a PhD in neuroscience.
>What's the deal with the guy who was injecting people with Hepatitis
>virus? That didn't get as much attention as the shooting, but could be
>even deadlier.
There were no dramatic images of the hepatitis attacks.
>> >>> with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
>> >>> very quickly and rumors are flying.
>> >>> What the hell is this world coming to?
>> >> And...it's a white guy who was getting a Ph.D. in neuroscience.
>> > Well, something must be wrong with his head.
>> Well, obviously. �Normal people do occasionally shot dozens of strangers
>> for no apparent reason, but one has never taken a PhD in neuroscience.
>What's the deal with the guy who was injecting people with Hepatitis
>virus? That didn't get as much attention as the shooting, but could be
>even deadlier.
Les
Paul Madarasz
Jul 21, 2012, 2:23:32 PM7/21/12
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On 20 Jul 2012 19:46:35 GMT, Dover Beach <moon.b...@gmail.com>
majors would shine any light on my hypothetical killing most of the
people in my apartment complex. Not that there are any English majors
around here, myself not included. They tend toward the lower end of
the Stanford-Binet, However,. last night I found a keyboard player
and we jammed for a couple hours. I was able to keep up, he liked my
playing, and he's intelligent, to boot. A pig in shit, am I.
wrote, perhaps among other things:
>tanni...@webtv.net (Minnie Castevet) wrote in
>news:24071-500...@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net:
>
>>
>> The news was horrific but you should listen to some talk radio hosts,
>> one said, "a gentleman, aged twenty four... "
>>
>> This was national too, I was making dinner and almost dropped my
>> spatula!
>>
>
>Why can't they find some of the other neuroscience students and
>interview them? I bet the other students know something about him.
>Right now the news is reporting stuff like this:
>
>"A syllabus that lists Holmes as a student at the medical school shows
>that he may have taken a class in which he studied topics as diverse as
>substance abuse, schizophrenia, depression and other disorders."
>
>Yes. That would be because he was studying neuroscience.
>
>"According to the document, he was to have delivered a presentation in
>May about microRNA biomarkers."
>
>OMG! Not the microRNA biomarkers! You mean...he had HOMEWORK?
>Sheesh.
I was an English major. I don't think interviewing other English
>news:24071-500...@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net:
>
>>
>> The news was horrific but you should listen to some talk radio hosts,
>> one said, "a gentleman, aged twenty four... "
>>
>> This was national too, I was making dinner and almost dropped my
>> spatula!
>>
>
>Why can't they find some of the other neuroscience students and
>interview them? I bet the other students know something about him.
>Right now the news is reporting stuff like this:
>
>"A syllabus that lists Holmes as a student at the medical school shows
>that he may have taken a class in which he studied topics as diverse as
>substance abuse, schizophrenia, depression and other disorders."
>
>Yes. That would be because he was studying neuroscience.
>
>"According to the document, he was to have delivered a presentation in
>May about microRNA biomarkers."
>
>OMG! Not the microRNA biomarkers! You mean...he had HOMEWORK?
>Sheesh.
majors would shine any light on my hypothetical killing most of the
people in my apartment complex. Not that there are any English majors
around here, myself not included. They tend toward the lower end of
the Stanford-Binet, However,. last night I found a keyboard player
and we jammed for a couple hours. I was able to keep up, he liked my
playing, and he's intelligent, to boot. A pig in shit, am I.
Paul Madarasz
Jul 21, 2012, 2:25:40 PM7/21/12
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On 20 Jul 2012 20:09:23 GMT, Dover Beach <moon.b...@gmail.com>
>news:e139906a-d193-4bfa...@qk10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> ""No one knew him. No one."
>>
>
>His picture looks so normal. Not like that guy who shot Gabby Giffords
>-- he had the Crazy Eyes. This guy looks like a total normaloid.
Normaloid, he was a normaloid,
Different from you and me.
wrote, perhaps among other things:
>Veronique <veroniq...@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:e139906a-d193-4bfa...@qk10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com:
>
>>>
>>> Why can't they find some of the other neuroscience students and
>>> interview them? �I bet the other students know something about him.
>>
>>
>> The Denver Post quoted one of his neighbors, a pharmacy student:
>>>
>>> Why can't they find some of the other neuroscience students and
>>> interview them? �I bet the other students know something about him.
>>
>>
>>
>> ""No one knew him. No one."
>>
>
>His picture looks so normal. Not like that guy who shot Gabby Giffords
>-- he had the Crazy Eyes. This guy looks like a total normaloid.
Normaloid, he was a normaloid,
Different from you and me.
Veronique
Jul 21, 2012, 2:21:10 PM7/21/12
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On Jul 21, 3:47 am, Dhubghall <doug...@fnord.prismnet.com> wrote:
> Well he taught me how to play "Calvinball" and how to make creative
> snowpeople, also that dinosaurs flying jet fighters are totally awesome!
> Although the tiger did teach me that "the life of man, solitary, poor,
> nasty, brutish, and short." Damn that plush toy had a dark side.
"It's either mean or it's arbitrary and either way, I don't like it."
> Well he taught me how to play "Calvinball" and how to make creative
> snowpeople, also that dinosaurs flying jet fighters are totally awesome!
> Although the tiger did teach me that "the life of man, solitary, poor,
> nasty, brutish, and short." Damn that plush toy had a dark side.
V.
--
Veronique Chez Sheep
Paul Madarasz
Jul 21, 2012, 3:10:11 PM7/21/12
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On 20 Jul 2012 22:05:00 GMT, Dover Beach <moon.b...@gmail.com>
>
>>
>> Based on the report that he graduated UC Riverside with honors, I bet
>> something was going on emotionally or mentally that affected his
>> performance. Maybe he was doing some secret Dr. Jeckle - Mr.Hyde sort
>> of home drug. "He was blinded by science!"
>>
>
>Well, maybe, but it wasn't just the "smoke bath salts and start
>shooting" kind of drug-influenced violence. This took considerable
>planning and strategizing. You don't get wasted and construct a
>complicated booby trap for your apartment.
And it was found that FaceEater only had weed in his system. Hell,
*I've* been known to be in that state, and I've *never* had the urge
to eat someone's face.
Not yet, anyhow.
wrote, perhaps among other things:
>Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:jucfr4$jd7$3...@dont-email.me:
>
>>
>> Based on the report that he graduated UC Riverside with honors, I bet
>> something was going on emotionally or mentally that affected his
>> performance. Maybe he was doing some secret Dr. Jeckle - Mr.Hyde sort
>> of home drug. "He was blinded by science!"
>>
>
>Well, maybe, but it wasn't just the "smoke bath salts and start
>shooting" kind of drug-influenced violence. This took considerable
>planning and strategizing. You don't get wasted and construct a
>complicated booby trap for your apartment.
And it was found that FaceEater only had weed in his system. Hell,
*I've* been known to be in that state, and I've *never* had the urge
to eat someone's face.
Not yet, anyhow.
Paul Madarasz
Jul 21, 2012, 3:11:36 PM7/21/12
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On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:45:28 -0700, Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com>
><veroniq...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>The photo shows a no-teeth smile, though. I don't understand no-teeth
>>smiles.
>>...
>
>
>Bad teeth?
>
>Les
I've got great teeth. They should be, for what they cost Judith.
wrote, perhaps among other things:
>On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:16:43 -0700 (PDT), Veronique
><veroniq...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>The photo shows a no-teeth smile, though. I don't understand no-teeth
>>smiles.
>>...
>
>
>Bad teeth?
>
>Les
I've got great teeth. They should be, for what they cost Judith.
N Jill Marsh
Jul 21, 2012, 3:41:33 PM7/21/12
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:01:05 -0700, Paul Madarasz
<paul.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 20 Jul 2012 12:32:06 -0500, M C Hamster
><davo...@nospam-speakeasy.net> wrote, perhaps among other things:
<paul.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 20 Jul 2012 12:32:06 -0500, M C Hamster
><davo...@nospam-speakeasy.net> wrote, perhaps among other things:
>>Right. There are some in this newsgroup, in fact, who would say this
>>shooter's actions are equivalent to those of Audie Murphy in terms of
>>their morality.
>
>I'm just boggled that a hero would have a name like "Audie".
And be so short and so cute!
>>shooter's actions are equivalent to those of Audie Murphy in terms of
>>their morality.
>
>I'm just boggled that a hero would have a name like "Audie".
--
nj"internym here"m
Send reggae, guns & numbers.
N Jill Marsh
Jul 21, 2012, 3:46:05 PM7/21/12
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On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:39:01 -0700, Xho Jingleheimerschmidt
<xho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Well, obviously. Normal people do occasionally shot dozens of strangers
>for no apparent reason, but one has never taken a PhD in neuroscience.
It's true, I stopped at my Masters for that very reason.
<xho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Well, obviously. Normal people do occasionally shot dozens of strangers
>for no apparent reason, but one has never taken a PhD in neuroscience.
art...@yahoo.com
Jul 21, 2012, 3:47:27 PM7/21/12
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On Jul 20, 1:32 pm, M C Hamster <davol...@nospam-speakeasy.net> wrote:
>
> Right. There are some in this newsgroup, in fact, who would say this
> shooter's actions are equivalent to those of Audie Murphy in terms of
> their morality.
Well, you should probably give a verbal warning first to someone who
>
> Right. There are some in this newsgroup, in fact, who would say this
> shooter's actions are equivalent to those of Audie Murphy in terms of
> their morality.
insists on making a cell phone call during the movie.
Nick Spalding
Jul 21, 2012, 4:30:45 PM7/21/12
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Paul Madarasz wrote, in <6csl08l8u0s4geom4...@4ax.com>
on Sat, 21 Jul 2012 11:14:57 -0700:
Not so far revealed anyway.
--
Nick Spalding
on Sat, 21 Jul 2012 11:14:57 -0700:
--
Nick Spalding
bill van
Jul 21, 2012, 4:32:59 PM7/21/12
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In article <XnsA09770FD7F05Dop...@127.0.0.1>,
I'm nominating you for the admirable restraint of the month award. I can
only imagine the long version.
bill
only imagine the long version.
bill
bill van
Jul 21, 2012, 4:36:42 PM7/21/12
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In article <mn.aa6c7dc7cfe8cba5.127094@snitoo>,
region, has more or less the same god, overlapping scriptures, etc.
<http://www.vancouversun.com/life/name+Allah+Christians+also+appreciate+R
amadan/6963568/story.html>
http://tinyurl.com/d4aos8a
bill
Snidely <snide...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Paul Madarasz used his keyboard to write :
> > On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:37:10 +0000 (UTC), David J. Martin
> > <djmarti...@tamu.edu> wrote, perhaps among other things:
> >
> >> Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On 7/20/2012 11:15 AM, Les Albert wrote:
> >>>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 05:12:28 -0400, Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
> >>>>> with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
> >>>>> very quickly and rumors are flying.
> >>>>> What the hell is this world coming to?
> >>>> Evil lives on.
> >>>
> >>> Oh no...don'tcha know that the touchy-feely
> >>> people tell is that good and evil are relative
> >>> and that somehow we will learn that society
> >>> is responsible for this, not the shooter.
> >>
> >> One of our Texas Congressmen has attributed the cause to attacks on
> >> Judeo-Christian beliefs.
> Paul Madarasz used his keyboard to write :
> > On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:37:10 +0000 (UTC), David J. Martin
> > <djmarti...@tamu.edu> wrote, perhaps among other things:
> >
> >> Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On 7/20/2012 11:15 AM, Les Albert wrote:
> >>>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 05:12:28 -0400, Sanford Manley <ans...@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Reports of shooting at theater in Aurora, Colorado
> >>>>> with possibly 10 killed, but the story is moving
> >>>>> very quickly and rumors are flying.
> >>>>> What the hell is this world coming to?
> >>>> Evil lives on.
> >>>
> >>> Oh no...don'tcha know that the touchy-feely
> >>> people tell is that good and evil are relative
> >>> and that somehow we will learn that society
> >>> is responsible for this, not the shooter.
> >>
> >> One of our Texas Congressmen has attributed the cause to attacks on
> >> Judeo-Christian beliefs.
> > What the hell are "Judeo-Christian beliefs"? I was married to a Jew
> > for almost 25 years, and while I am an atheist, we discussed religion
> > often. "Judeo" and "Christian" makes as much sense as "Druse" and
> > "Christian". (Judith is pretty much agnostic, herself).
>
> Well, the most common use of JCB is for elements of Western _culture_
> (with an emphasis on religious beliefs) that come out of Christian
> tradition, but throwing the net a little wider to be inclusive of the
> beliefs of the Tribes of Israel (same God, just put the book down too
> soon).
>
> And yes, serious Christians do look at what the Jewish beliefs are. A
> few even manage to understand them, but I'm guessing that I personally
> would have a lot to learn.
>
> Of course, it's a fine American Tradition with European roots to
> confuse secular beliefs with religious beliefs, but since some of the
> religions found in various places claim to rule the secular world, that
> isn't completely surprising I suppose I should rewrite this sentence
> maybe next week I'll figure out how to word it better okay.
>
You need to include Islam in that, don't you? It arose in the same
> > for almost 25 years, and while I am an atheist, we discussed religion
> > often. "Judeo" and "Christian" makes as much sense as "Druse" and
> > "Christian". (Judith is pretty much agnostic, herself).
>
> Well, the most common use of JCB is for elements of Western _culture_
> (with an emphasis on religious beliefs) that come out of Christian
> tradition, but throwing the net a little wider to be inclusive of the
> beliefs of the Tribes of Israel (same God, just put the book down too
> soon).
>
> And yes, serious Christians do look at what the Jewish beliefs are. A
> few even manage to understand them, but I'm guessing that I personally
> would have a lot to learn.
>
> Of course, it's a fine American Tradition with European roots to
> confuse secular beliefs with religious beliefs, but since some of the
> religions found in various places claim to rule the secular world, that
> isn't completely surprising I suppose I should rewrite this sentence
> maybe next week I'll figure out how to word it better okay.
>
region, has more or less the same god, overlapping scriptures, etc.
<http://www.vancouversun.com/life/name+Allah+Christians+also+appreciate+R
amadan/6963568/story.html>
http://tinyurl.com/d4aos8a
bill
Opus the Penguin
Jul 21, 2012, 4:37:00 PM7/21/12
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ignorantly think. He did not teach the things most commonly
attributed to him--e.g. fatalism, hard determinism, the metaphysical
impossibility of free will, the non-existence or illusory nature of
human choice, an Ockhamistic definition of "good", etc. He
explicitly denied all those things and taught against them.
It is fine to argue, of course, that what he did teach logically
entails or inevitably leads to any or all of those positions. But
that's different from saying that he consciously taught such things
and/or knew where his teaching led and deliberately lied and claimed
he didn't. It's the difference between claiming that keeping pot
illegal leads to suffering by the ill, murder and theft by
distributors and users, and lower tax revenue, and claiming that
people who want to keep pot illegal desire those outcomes and pursue
their policy with those goals.
Calvin would have said that the Dark Knight shooter chose to do what
he did freely, with no external coercion. Calvin would have said the
shooter behaved responsibly and culpably. He would have said the man
had no excuse for his behavior, least of all the excuse of saying
that God foreordained the action so he had no choice. He also would
have said that these actions are not uncoverable by Christ's atoning
sacrifice. They do not place the shooter beyond the possibility of
redemption. He has not forfeited his access to the grace of God and
love of God proffered in Christ. And Calvin would say that this is
good news. It is good news for all of us deliberate, culpable,
inexcusable sinners.
And with all that, I agree. It is good news for me. And I have a
responsibility to that good news to think of this young man without
hatred, malice, or condemnation. Though I can and should think of
his actions with horror (never forgetting that my own sins, while
not so public or humanly consequential, are also things of horror),
I must think of the man himself with love and with a hope for his
forgiveness and redemption.
--
Opus the Insane Penguin
The most insane penguin in all of Usenet
Xho Jingleheimerschmidt
Jul 21, 2012, 4:25:56 PM7/21/12
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On 07/20/2012 09:55 PM, Opus the Penguin wrote:
> Charles Wm. Dimmick (cdim...@snet.net) wrote:
>
>> On 7/20/2012 2:12 PM, bobg wrote:
>>> On Friday, July 20, 2012 1:44:26 PM UTC-4, Dover wrote:
>>>> David J. Martin <djmarti...@tamu.edu> wrote in
>>>> news:564598008364498459.13094...@news.etern
>>>> al-septe mber.org:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > One of our Texas Congressmen has attributed the cause to
>>>> attacks on > Judeo-Christian beliefs.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> "A San Diego neighbor of alleged Colorado shooter James
>>>> Holmes remembers him as a very shy, well-mannered young man who
>>>> was heavily involved in their local Presbyterian church."
>>>
>>> No *true* Presbyterian would ever do something like that.
>>>
>> A fine example of radical predestinationism from a rabid follower
>> of Calvin.
>>
>
> At most, he's just another guy who thinks he knows what Calvin said,
> so he never bothered reading him. That's pretty common. I'd say 99
> out of 100 comments I read that involve "Calvin" or "Calvinism"
> reflect no knowledge of what Calvin actually taught.
I'll have you know that I read every Calvin and Hobbes cartoon ever
> Charles Wm. Dimmick (cdim...@snet.net) wrote:
>
>> On 7/20/2012 2:12 PM, bobg wrote:
>>> On Friday, July 20, 2012 1:44:26 PM UTC-4, Dover wrote:
>>>> David J. Martin <djmarti...@tamu.edu> wrote in
>>>> news:564598008364498459.13094...@news.etern
>>>> al-septe mber.org:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > One of our Texas Congressmen has attributed the cause to
>>>> attacks on > Judeo-Christian beliefs.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> "A San Diego neighbor of alleged Colorado shooter James
>>>> Holmes remembers him as a very shy, well-mannered young man who
>>>> was heavily involved in their local Presbyterian church."
>>>
>>> No *true* Presbyterian would ever do something like that.
>>>
>> A fine example of radical predestinationism from a rabid follower
>> of Calvin.
>>
>
> At most, he's just another guy who thinks he knows what Calvin said,
> so he never bothered reading him. That's pretty common. I'd say 99
> out of 100 comments I read that involve "Calvin" or "Calvinism"
> reflect no knowledge of what Calvin actually taught.
written by that guy, you know, the DA on CSI,TOS. I think I have a
pretty good idea of what he taught.
Xho
Paul Madarasz
Jul 21, 2012, 4:53:02 PM7/21/12
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 20:37:00 +0000 (UTC), Opus the Penguin
Trust you to make me think.
Kevin
Jul 21, 2012, 5:01:50 PM7/21/12
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a little hampered by never having watched a CSI show, but not much,
really.
Kevin
Jul 21, 2012, 5:08:13 PM7/21/12
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 13:36:42 -0700, bill van <bil...@delete.shaw.ca>
wrote:
It's easy to be inclusive about the religion you think yours has
superseded. It's not as easy to be inclusive about the religion that
thinks it has superseded yours.
><http://www.vancouversun.com/life/name+Allah+Christians+also+appreciate+R
>amadan/6963568/story.html>
>
>http://tinyurl.com/d4aos8a
"I'm an Anglo-Mohammedan, a Christian who believes in the Koran"
Sort of one step up from Jews for Jesus. I'm not really seeing this
catching on.
--
Kevin
wrote:
superseded. It's not as easy to be inclusive about the religion that
thinks it has superseded yours.
><http://www.vancouversun.com/life/name+Allah+Christians+also+appreciate+R
>amadan/6963568/story.html>
>
>http://tinyurl.com/d4aos8a
Sort of one step up from Jews for Jesus. I'm not really seeing this
catching on.
--
Kevin
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bill van
Jul 21, 2012, 5:25:55 PM7/21/12
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In article <596m08lo40dk07t2a...@4ax.com>,
Difficult to say. I'm not a believer of any of them, but I'm all for
their adherents looking for ways to tolerate and agree.
bill
their adherents looking for ways to tolerate and agree.
bill
Rick B.
Jul 21, 2012, 6:36:19 PM7/21/12
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Paul Madarasz <paul.m...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:aaol081k4s45kg4f0...@4ax.com:
> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 21:55:08 +0000 (UTC), Opus the Penguin
> <opusthepen...@gmail.com> wrote, perhaps among other things:
>>the 12,742 smaller Presbyterian denominations. But I refuse to tell
>>you which one.
>
> I have, in the past, declared that I was a Three-Sheets-To-The-Wind
> Anabaptist. No one got the joke.
Is that dashing and not very respectable?
news:aaol081k4s45kg4f0...@4ax.com:
> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 21:55:08 +0000 (UTC), Opus the Penguin
> <opusthepen...@gmail.com> wrote, perhaps among other things:
>
>>bobg (byo...@gmail.com) wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, July 20, 2012 1:44:26 PM UTC-4, Dover wrote:
>>>> David J. Martin <djmarti...@tamu.edu> wrote in
>>>> news:564598008364498459.13094...@news.eterna
>>>> l-septe mber.org:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > One of our Texas Congressmen has attributed the cause to
>>>> attacks on > Judeo-Christian beliefs.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> "A San Diego neighbor of alleged Colorado shooter James
>>>> Holmes remembers him as a very shy, well-mannered young man who
>>>> was heavily involved in their local Presbyterian church."
>>>
>>> No *true* Presbyterian would ever do something like that.
>>
>>He was probably mainline. PCUSA. True Presbyterians belong to one of
>>bobg (byo...@gmail.com) wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, July 20, 2012 1:44:26 PM UTC-4, Dover wrote:
>>>> David J. Martin <djmarti...@tamu.edu> wrote in
>>>> news:564598008364498459.13094...@news.eterna
>>>> l-septe mber.org:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > One of our Texas Congressmen has attributed the cause to
>>>> attacks on > Judeo-Christian beliefs.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> "A San Diego neighbor of alleged Colorado shooter James
>>>> Holmes remembers him as a very shy, well-mannered young man who
>>>> was heavily involved in their local Presbyterian church."
>>>
>>> No *true* Presbyterian would ever do something like that.
>>
>>the 12,742 smaller Presbyterian denominations. But I refuse to tell
>>you which one.
>
> I have, in the past, declared that I was a Three-Sheets-To-The-Wind
> Anabaptist. No one got the joke.
Is that dashing and not very respectable?
Lesmond
Jul 21, 2012, 6:49:51 PM7/21/12
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--
If there's a nuclear winter, at least it'll snow.
art...@yahoo.com
Jul 21, 2012, 6:53:27 PM7/21/12
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On Jul 21, 3:10 pm, Paul Madarasz <paul.madar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 20 Jul 2012 22:05:00 GMT, Dover Beach <moon.blanc...@gmail.com>
do not even know why zombies eat them. Muscle has more protein.
> On 20 Jul 2012 22:05:00 GMT, Dover Beach <moon.blanc...@gmail.com>
> wrote, perhaps among other things:
>
> >Sanford Manley <ansa...@gmail.com> wrote in
>
> >news:jucfr4$jd7$3...@dont-email.me:
>
> >> Based on the report that he graduated UC Riverside with honors, I bet
> >> something was going on emotionally or mentally that affected his
> >> performance. Maybe he was doing some secret Dr. Jeckle - Mr.Hyde sort
> >> of home drug. "He was blinded by science!"
>
> >Well, maybe, but it wasn't just the "smoke bath salts and start
> >shooting" kind of drug-influenced violence. This took considerable
> >planning and strategizing. You don't get wasted and construct a
> >complicated booby trap for your apartment.
>
> And it was found that FaceEater only had weed in his system. Hell,
> *I've* been known to be in that state, and I've *never* had the urge
> to eat someone's face.
>
> Not yet, anyhow.
We have a long way to go to understand how the brain works. Hell, we
>
> >> Based on the report that he graduated UC Riverside with honors, I bet
> >> something was going on emotionally or mentally that affected his
> >> performance. Maybe he was doing some secret Dr. Jeckle - Mr.Hyde sort
> >> of home drug. "He was blinded by science!"
>
> >Well, maybe, but it wasn't just the "smoke bath salts and start
> >shooting" kind of drug-influenced violence. This took considerable
> >planning and strategizing. You don't get wasted and construct a
> >complicated booby trap for your apartment.
>
> And it was found that FaceEater only had weed in his system. Hell,
> *I've* been known to be in that state, and I've *never* had the urge
> to eat someone's face.
>
> Not yet, anyhow.
do not even know why zombies eat them. Muscle has more protein.
Xho Jingleheimerschmidt
Jul 21, 2012, 7:09:41 PM7/21/12
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On 07/21/2012 03:53 PM, art...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> We have a long way to go to understand how the brain works. Hell, we
> do not even know why zombies eat them. Muscle has more protein.
Who gives a fig for protein? The fat is where its at.
>
> We have a long way to go to understand how the brain works. Hell, we
> do not even know why zombies eat them. Muscle has more protein.
Xho
art...@yahoo.com
Jul 21, 2012, 7:18:58 PM7/21/12
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are going to be disappointed.
Paul Madarasz
Jul 21, 2012, 7:43:49 PM7/21/12
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On 21 Jul 2012 22:36:19 GMT, "Rick B." <deep...@sprynet.com.aq>
wrote, perhaps among other things:
>Paul Madarasz <paul.m...@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:aaol081k4s45kg4f0...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 21:55:08 +0000 (UTC), Opus the Penguin
>> <opusthepen...@gmail.com> wrote, perhaps among other things:
>>
>>>bobg (byo...@gmail.com) wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, July 20, 2012 1:44:26 PM UTC-4, Dover wrote:
>>>>> David J. Martin <djmarti...@tamu.edu> wrote in
>>>>> news:564598008364498459.13094...@news.eterna
>>>>> l-septe mber.org:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > One of our Texas Congressmen has attributed the cause to
>>>>> attacks on > Judeo-Christian beliefs.
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> "A San Diego neighbor of alleged Colorado shooter James
>>>>> Holmes remembers him as a very shy, well-mannered young man who
>>>>> was heavily involved in their local Presbyterian church."
>>>>
>>>> No *true* Presbyterian would ever do something like that.
>>>
>>>He was probably mainline. PCUSA. True Presbyterians belong to one of
>>>the 12,742 smaller Presbyterian denominations. But I refuse to tell
>>>you which one.
>>
>> I have, in the past, declared that I was a Three-Sheets-To-The-Wind
>> Anabaptist. No one got the joke.
>
>Is that dashing and not very respectable?
Call me Flashman.
>Paul Madarasz <paul.m...@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:aaol081k4s45kg4f0...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 21:55:08 +0000 (UTC), Opus the Penguin
>> <opusthepen...@gmail.com> wrote, perhaps among other things:
>>
>>>bobg (byo...@gmail.com) wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, July 20, 2012 1:44:26 PM UTC-4, Dover wrote:
>>>>> David J. Martin <djmarti...@tamu.edu> wrote in
>>>>> news:564598008364498459.13094...@news.eterna
>>>>> l-septe mber.org:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > One of our Texas Congressmen has attributed the cause to
>>>>> attacks on > Judeo-Christian beliefs.
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> "A San Diego neighbor of alleged Colorado shooter James
>>>>> Holmes remembers him as a very shy, well-mannered young man who
>>>>> was heavily involved in their local Presbyterian church."
>>>>
>>>> No *true* Presbyterian would ever do something like that.
>>>
>>>He was probably mainline. PCUSA. True Presbyterians belong to one of
>>>the 12,742 smaller Presbyterian denominations. But I refuse to tell
>>>you which one.
>>
>> I have, in the past, declared that I was a Three-Sheets-To-The-Wind
>> Anabaptist. No one got the joke.
>
>Is that dashing and not very respectable?
Charles Wm. Dimmick
Jul 21, 2012, 7:59:07 PM7/21/12
to
>> On 7/20/2012 2:12 PM, bobg wrote:
>>> On Friday, July 20, 2012 1:44:26 PM UTC-4, Dover wrote:
>>>> David J. Martin <djmarti...@tamu.edu> wrote in
>>>> news:564598008364498459.13094...@news.etern
>>>> al-septe mber.org:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > One of our Texas Congressmen has attributed the cause to
>>>> attacks on > Judeo-Christian beliefs.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> "A San Diego neighbor of alleged Colorado shooter James
>>>> Holmes remembers him as a very shy, well-mannered young man who
>>>> was heavily involved in their local Presbyterian church."
>>>
>>> No *true* Presbyterian would ever do something like that.
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 20, 2012 1:44:26 PM UTC-4, Dover wrote:
>>>> David J. Martin <djmarti...@tamu.edu> wrote in
>>>> news:564598008364498459.13094...@news.etern
>>>> al-septe mber.org:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > One of our Texas Congressmen has attributed the cause to
>>>> attacks on > Judeo-Christian beliefs.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> "A San Diego neighbor of alleged Colorado shooter James
>>>> Holmes remembers him as a very shy, well-mannered young man who
>>>> was heavily involved in their local Presbyterian church."
>>>
>>> No *true* Presbyterian would ever do something like that.
>>>
>> A fine example of radical predestinationism from a rabid follower
>> of Calvin.
>>
>
> At most, he's just another guy who thinks he knows what Calvin said,
> so he never bothered reading him. That's pretty common. I'd say 99
> out of 100 comments I read that involve "Calvin" or "Calvinism"
> reflect no knowledge of what Calvin actually taught.
>
Not restricted to Calvinism.
>> of Calvin.
>>
>
> At most, he's just another guy who thinks he knows what Calvin said,
> so he never bothered reading him. That's pretty common. I'd say 99
> out of 100 comments I read that involve "Calvin" or "Calvinism"
> reflect no knowledge of what Calvin actually taught.
>
At least 95% of Christians seem not to know what Jesus Christ actually
taught.
Charles
Greg Goss
Jul 21, 2012, 7:59:04 PM7/21/12
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Paul Madarasz <paul.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Solitary, Poor, Nasty, Brutish, and Short is the law firm I have on
>retainer.
With my budget, they would assign my account to a Poor lawyer.
--
I used to own a mind like a steel trap.
Perhaps if I'd specified a brass one, it
wouldn't have rusted like this.
>Solitary, Poor, Nasty, Brutish, and Short is the law firm I have on
>retainer.
With my budget, they would assign my account to a Poor lawyer.
--
I used to own a mind like a steel trap.
Perhaps if I'd specified a brass one, it
wouldn't have rusted like this.
Greg Goss
Jul 21, 2012, 8:03:54 PM7/21/12
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Paul Madarasz <paul.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I can. What do you think wars are for? Nature red in tooth and claw,
>and we're part and parcel of nature. 10,000 years from now, there
>will still be wars and murders. I believe that our entire world is
>built on the assumption that we can kill the other guy.
Wars are generally done by people who are willing to follow the rules
of their society. It takes a lot of training to teach normal people
to kill people.
>I can. What do you think wars are for? Nature red in tooth and claw,
>and we're part and parcel of nature. 10,000 years from now, there
>will still be wars and murders. I believe that our entire world is
>built on the assumption that we can kill the other guy.
Wars are generally done by people who are willing to follow the rules
of their society. It takes a lot of training to teach normal people
to kill people.
Charles Wm. Dimmick
Jul 21, 2012, 8:04:22 PM7/21/12
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On 7/21/2012 1:22 AM, Kevin wrote:
efforts always result in the execution of God's will and judgments."
> On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 04:55:15 +0000 (UTC), Opus the Penguin
> <opusthepen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Charles Wm. Dimmick (cdim...@snet.net) wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/20/2012 2:12 PM, bobg wrote:
>>>> On Friday, July 20, 2012 1:44:26 PM UTC-4, Dover wrote:
>>>>> David J. Martin <djmarti...@tamu.edu> wrote in
>>>>> news:564598008364498459.13094...@news.etern
>>>>> al-septe mber.org:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > One of our Texas Congressmen has attributed the cause to
>>>>> attacks on > Judeo-Christian beliefs.
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> "A San Diego neighbor of alleged Colorado shooter James
>>>>> Holmes remembers him as a very shy, well-mannered young man who
>>>>> was heavily involved in their local Presbyterian church."
>>>>
>>>> No *true* Presbyterian would ever do something like that.
>>>>
>>> A fine example of radical predestinationism from a rabid follower
>>> of Calvin.
>>>
>>
>> At most, he's just another guy who thinks he knows what Calvin said,
>> so he never bothered reading him. That's pretty common. I'd say 99
>> out of 100 comments I read that involve "Calvin" or "Calvinism"
>> reflect no knowledge of what Calvin actually taught.
>
Passages such as: "whatever good or evil people may practise, their
> <opusthepen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Charles Wm. Dimmick (cdim...@snet.net) wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/20/2012 2:12 PM, bobg wrote:
>>>> On Friday, July 20, 2012 1:44:26 PM UTC-4, Dover wrote:
>>>>> David J. Martin <djmarti...@tamu.edu> wrote in
>>>>> news:564598008364498459.13094...@news.etern
>>>>> al-septe mber.org:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > One of our Texas Congressmen has attributed the cause to
>>>>> attacks on > Judeo-Christian beliefs.
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> "A San Diego neighbor of alleged Colorado shooter James
>>>>> Holmes remembers him as a very shy, well-mannered young man who
>>>>> was heavily involved in their local Presbyterian church."
>>>>
>>>> No *true* Presbyterian would ever do something like that.
>>>>
>>> A fine example of radical predestinationism from a rabid follower
>>> of Calvin.
>>>
>>
>> At most, he's just another guy who thinks he knows what Calvin said,
>> so he never bothered reading him. That's pretty common. I'd say 99
>> out of 100 comments I read that involve "Calvin" or "Calvinism"
>> reflect no knowledge of what Calvin actually taught.
>
efforts always result in the execution of God's will and judgments."
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