The Second Bush Term
M C Hamster
depression and finally acceptance) with regard to the ghastly prospect of
another Bush term in office in the "acceptance" arena, I have thought to
myself that, at least, he can't possibly have a second term anywhere near as
disastrous as his first term. Can he?
Oh, foolish, foolish me.
According to Reuters, Bush wants a flat income tax. And/or, a national
sales tax.
Terrific. Just terrific, George. Let's increase taxes on poor people, why
don't we. THAT would be a good thing to do. Really thoughtful. Really
humane. Your cuddle-bunny Grover Nyquist must be curling his toes in sexual
ecstasy, with the anticipation of that one.
The man makes me absolutely sick to my stomach. I'm not sure which
Kubler-Ross stage that corresponds to. Where does the rioting in the
streets come in?
Dubya: "Uh, why don't they have some cake then? Cake is goooooood!"
M C Hamster "Big Wheel Keep on Turnin'" -- Creedence Clearwater Revival
Man Lee
"M C Hamster" <davo...@speakeasy.hairnet> wrote in message
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> The man makes me absolutely sick to my stomach. I'm not
sure which
> Kubler-Ross stage that corresponds to. Where does the
rioting in the
> streets come in?
>
The rioting in the streets starts when you step off the
curb. Game?
Dilbert Firestorm
do you really like filling out those income tax form and pay a tax
prepare to do it for ya and drop it to your nearest friendly postal
officer on april 18 before midnite??????
besides, the income tax codes is a convuluted, complicated mess loaded
with loopholes galore.
and I'm sure you do know that CONSUMERS are doubled taxed at the cash
register....
Rev. Pigpen
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I hear ya. After the latest pole numbers came out I blew a gasket. I'm
ready to just quit. I really can't fight any more. I just want it to be
over and for the reaming to begin. Sure a lot of it is just outrage
fatigue, but then I started to think, screw it. If you can't beat 'em. Join
em.
So yes, lets have war. Let's have lots of them. Iran looks next on the
ass-kicking schedule followed by Syria, Lebanon, and Saudi Arabia. Lets go
for the gold. The Republican spin machine is great at whipping up support
so there should be plenty of soldiers ready to fight for the good old Red,
White, and Blue. And rights? The only people without rights are gonna be the
people fighting W. So if I'm on their side, then at least I don't have to
worry about myself. Kerry is a pussy anyway. He's not fighting back worth
a crap against Bush, how the hell did he do any fighting in 'nam? Purple
hearts. What a hose. What do purple hearts prove anyway?
Just keep cutting my taxes (or say you are, whether you actually do it I
don't know) and promising me we're safer and I'll keep saying...
I LOVE BIG BROTHER...
I LOVE BIG BROTHER
I LOVE BIG BROTHER...
I LOVE BIG BROTHER.
Joseph Michael Bay
>actually, its a great idea!!!!!!
>do you really like filling out those income tax form and pay a tax
>prepare to do it for ya and drop it to your nearest friendly postal
>officer on april 18 before midnite??????
>besides, the income tax codes is a convuluted, complicated mess loaded
Well, in that case, make sure you don't forget to get out
there and vote on November fifth, Dilbert.
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huey.c...@gmail.com
> So yes, lets have war. Let's have lots of them. Iran looks next on
> the ass-kicking schedule followed by Syria, Lebanon, and Saudi
> Arabia. Lets go for the gold. The Republican spin machine is great
> at whipping up support so there should be plenty of soldiers ready to
> fight for the good old Red, White, and Blue. And rights? The only
> people without rights are gonna be the people fighting W. So if I'm
> on their side, then at least I don't have to worry about myself.
> Kerry is a pussy anyway. He's not fighting back worth a crap against
> Bush, how the hell did he do any fighting in 'nam? Purple hearts.
> What a hose. What do purple hearts prove anyway?
In the army, they are known as the 'failed to duck' medal.
> Just keep cutting my taxes (or say you are, whether you actually do
> it I don't know) and promising me we're safer and I'll keep saying...
> I LOVE BIG BROTHER...
> I LOVE BIG BROTHER
> I LOVE BIG BROTHER...
> I LOVE BIG BROTHER.
That sounds way too sarcastic. I, for one, welcome our new Republican
robot overlords!
--
Huey
Anthony Myers usenet personality
>streets come in?
whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the
Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,
laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such
form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness
Anthony Myers usenet personality
>em.
"If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten" - George Carlin
Anthony Myers usenet personality
>prepare to do it for ya
It's addition and subtraction. Not that big of a deal, and not something that
90% of the people would need to pay some
>drop it to your nearest friendly postal
>officer
You know the mail man will come to your house to pick up your mail? It's just
a walk to the mailbox.
>I'm sure you do know that CONSUMERS are doubled taxed at the cash
>register
Well yeah, it's not easy to get someone who isn't a consumer anywhere near cash
resisters. They're a sneaky bunch
>!!!!!!
>??????
You get a little carried away with punctuation, don't you think?
Jason Quick
"Anthony Myers usenet personality" <anthony...@wmconnect.comhormel>
wrote :
> >If you can't beat 'em. Join
>>em.
>
> "If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten" - George Carlin
Hey, you arrange to have 'em sent to my hometown, and I'm sure I can have a
beating arranged quite easily. Otherwise we're fucked.
Jason
Kim
> actually, its a great idea!!!!!!
>
> do you really like filling out those income tax form and pay a tax
> prepare to do it for ya and drop it to your nearest friendly postal
> officer on april 18 before midnite??????
You know, I find it extremely hard to believe that there's anyone in this
group who lives in the United States that actually needs to pay a tax
preparer to fill out their tax forms. Especially since most everyone in here
owns a computer.
And if there is anyone in here who pays a preparer - e-mail me and I'll send
you a copy of Turbo Tax. If you can read, you can fill out your own tax
form.
Oh - and if you are sending in your form on April 18th, you are probably
paying a penalty. You can eliminate that expense, too, you know.
--
Kim
*The big difference between "Jeopardy!" and "South Park" is that at the end
of
every episode of "South Park," Kenny dies. (Eliott Schiff)*
Shotgun_Mosquito
> I'll send you a copy of Turbo Tax. If you can read, you can fill out
> your own tax form.
Why risk the chance of being called a software pirate, when you can get
TaxAct for free?
Binyamin Dissen
:>In trying to work through the Kubler-Ross stages (denial, anger, bargaining,
:>depression and finally acceptance) with regard to the ghastly prospect of
:>another Bush term in office in the "acceptance" arena, I have thought to
:>myself that, at least, he can't possibly have a second term anywhere near as
:>disastrous as his first term. Can he?
Well, I kinda doubt that the cma's will get much of a chance to do yet another
mass murder in the USA.
As a side point - how many of the Hollywood (D) folk that threatened to leave
last time actually kept their word and left?
Any new ones threatening this time?
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I'm Mr. Taxact, and I approved this message.
Rev. Pigpen
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What happened to the '00 election curse? Was it officially broken by Reagan
when he didn't die from getting shot? Can't fate step in here and do it's
f...ing job?
Usual Suspect
... Shirley ?
"M C Hamster" <davo...@speakeasy.hairnet> wrote ...
Lars Eighner
lovely and talented M C Hamster broadcast on alt.fan.cecil-adams:
> According to Reuters, Bush wants a flat income tax. And/or, a national
> sales tax.
You know, I might be reconciled to a national sales tax if it really
applied to everything including the sale of equities, bonds,
certificates of deposit, etc. You know, not just toilet paper, but
also the stuff rich people buy.
--
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"With a heavy dose of fear and violence, and a lot of money for projects,
I think we can convince these people that we are here to help them"
-- Lt. Col. Nathan Sassaman
Rev. Pigpen
"Binyamin Dissen" <post...@dissensoftware.com> wrote in message
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> On 6 Sep 2004 23:19:10 -0500 "M C Hamster" <davo...@speakeasy.hairnet>
wrote:
>
> :>In trying to work through the Kubler-Ross stages (denial, anger,
bargaining,
> :>depression and finally acceptance) with regard to the ghastly prospect
of
> :>another Bush term in office in the "acceptance" arena, I have thought to
> :>myself that, at least, he can't possibly have a second term anywhere
near as
> :>disastrous as his first term. Can he?
>
> Well, I kinda doubt that the cma's will get much of a chance to do yet
another
> mass murder in the USA.
>
> As a side point - how many of the Hollywood (D) folk that threatened to
leave
> last time actually kept their word and left?
>
> Any new ones threatening this time?
Who cares. That's just tedious hyperbole anyway. The only reason we half
believe them is that they actually have the money to move to another
country. Heck most of 'em already have houses in London and Venice or
wherever.
Rick B.
news:chkd5e$205f$1...@news3.infoave.net:
Although Lincoln and FDR died in office, they each lived through the
xxx0 term and were re-elected--the same could happen this year.
Rev. Pigpen
> >> >>em.
> >> >
> >> > "If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten" - George
> >> > Carlin
> >>
> >> Hey, you arrange to have 'em sent to my hometown, and I'm sure I can
> >> have
> > a
> >> beating arranged quite easily. Otherwise we're fucked.
> >>
> >> Jason
> >
> > What happened to the '00 election curse? Was it officially broken by
> > Reagan when he didn't die from getting shot? Can't fate step in here
> > and do it's f...ing job?
>
> Although Lincoln and FDR died in office, they each lived through the
> xxx0 term and were re-elected--the same could happen this year.
Works for me. End result is the same.
Greg Goss
Didn't some of them die in their second term?
--
Tomorrow is today already.
Greg Goss, 1989-01-27
Kim
No, I wouldn't be a software pirate. I get a bunch of copies free because I
am a registered EA for the IRS. Just something I kept up with even after I
quit my job. I also still pay my NEA dues, although I haven't taught in
forever.
M C Hamster
Can we secede from George's union?
Seriously (well, semi-seriously)... at some point -- agreed, we're not near
that yet -- might the minority of us in all the sane places in this country
(Northeast, upper midwest, and west coast) not decide we've just had enough
of the neocon's view of the universe, and say that we'd rather have our own
government, thank you?
Does our constitution specify any conditions under which a state, once
having joined the union, can decide to leave the union? All we're talking
about is a little divorce, that's all. I know, they're messy, but often
they're a good idea.
Would the South and southern/western midwest and western states really care?
huey.c...@gmail.com
> Dilbert Firestorm wrote:
> > do you really like filling out those income tax form and pay a tax
> > prepare to do it for ya and drop it to your nearest friendly postal
> > officer on april 18 before midnite??????
> You know, I find it extremely hard to believe that there's anyone in
> this group who lives in the United States that actually needs to pay
> a tax preparer to fill out their tax forms.
You find it hard to believe? Why? Dana probably will need her taxes
done. There are others (Big David, Bill Diamond) who are probably
capable of doing their taxes themselves, but who could also probably
benefit from having them looked at by a professional loophole-finder.
Oh, and I seem to remember that there's this woman in AFCA who owns
property in like three states - I bet her taxes are gonna be a
nightmare. Can't remember who that is, though.
> And if there is anyone in here who pays a preparer - e-mail me and
> I'll send you a copy of Turbo Tax. If you can read, you can fill out
> your own tax form.
This just ain't necessarially so.
--
Huey
ra...@westnet.poe.com
> depression and finally acceptance) with regard to the ghastly prospect of
> another Bush term in office in the "acceptance" arena, I have thought to
> myself that, at least, he can't possibly have a second term anywhere near as
> disastrous as his first term. Can he?
If you're prone to self delusinal states that you view this term as
clearly disasterous, then, short of some sort of new mediaction regimin,
you're likely to continue in that state.
John
--
Remove the dead poet to e-mail, tho CC'd posts are unwelcome.
Ask me about joining the NRA.
Richard Evans
>You find it hard to believe? Why? Dana probably will need her taxes
>done. There are others (Big David, Bill Diamond) who are probably
>capable of doing their taxes themselves, but who could also probably
>benefit from having them looked at by a professional loophole-finder.
>Oh, and I seem to remember that there's this woman in AFCA who owns
>property in like three states - I bet her taxes are gonna be a
>nightmare. Can't remember who that is, though.
>
I'm self employed in a relatively simple business. I provide a
service, I carry no inventory, I sell no products. My office is
basically my only expense, plus a little travel for conferences and
education. My tax returns run to 50-some pages. Then there's the
quarterly returns, quarterly estimated payments, quarterly salary
reports (I'm incorporated and pay myself a salary). And dealing with
the IRS when they question my return or simply screw up and mistakenly
dun me for thousands of dollars. Could I do it myself? I suppose so.
But then, I suppose I could take out my own appendix if I absolutely
had to. There are some things in life that simply aren't worth the
trouble. My accountant is worth every penny I pay him.
Would I welcome a simplified tax structure? Not from a Republican. The
last time the Republicans "simplified" the tax structure (under George
H., I believe) they reduced the number of tax rates and reduced the
amount of the remaining rates, but concurrently stripped away many of
my deductions. (Remember when *all* interest payments were tax
deductions?) The net result was that I ended up paying $3k *more* at
the "simplified" lower rate.
Dick Evans
Richard Evans
>I LOVE BIG BROTHER...
>I LOVE BIG BROTHER
>I LOVE BIG BROTHER...
>I LOVE BIG BROTHER.
I just watched 1984 last night and found it particularly chilling in
light of the current political climate. When it came out in 1984, I
didn't have that feeling. Looks like Orwell may have been off by a
couple of decades, but otherwise right on the money.
Dick Evans
Joe Shimkus
wrote:
> Didn't some of them die in their second term?
Yeah, put the power behind the throne on the throne. That'll work.
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Shawn Wilson
> In trying to work through the Kubler-Ross stages (denial, anger, bargaining,
> depression and finally acceptance) with regard to the ghastly prospect of
> another Bush term in office in the "acceptance" arena, I have thought to
> myself that, at least, he can't possibly have a second term anywhere near as
> disastrous as his first term. Can he?
USAToday Poll: Bush 52, Kerry 45!!! (3 pt margin of error)
PARTY AT MY HOUSE!
Let the GOOD TIMES roll!!!!
In your face!
In your face!
In your face!
ra...@westnet.poe.com
... President Cheney.
ra...@westnet.poe.com
> "Anthony Myers usenet personality" <anthony...@wmconnect.comhormel>
> wrote in message news:20040907042425...@mb-m29.wmconnect.com...
> >> Where does the rioting in the
> >>streets come in?
> >
> > whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is
> > the
> > Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new
> > Government,
> > laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such
> > form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and
> > Happiness
> Can we secede from George's union?
They're not talking about succession so much as revolution.
> Seriously (well, semi-seriously)... at some point -- agreed, we're not near
> that yet -- might the minority of us in all the sane places in this country
> (Northeast, upper midwest, and west coast) not decide we've just had enough
> of the neocon's view of the universe, and say that we'd rather have our own
> government, thank you?
If you weenines had any fight in you, sure. :)
> Does our constitution specify any conditions under which a state, once
> having joined the union, can decide to leave the union? All we're talking
> about is a little divorce, that's all. I know, they're messy, but often
> they're a good idea.
No, I don't think it's allowed, you know, civil war and all that stuff.
> Would the South and southern/western midwest and western states really care?
Umm, they're republican, I don't think they'd cotton to the idea of
ripping the republic asunder.
Have you thought seriously about Canada?
SoCalMike
> In our last episode, <413d361f$0$48900$45be...@newscene.com>, the
> lovely and talented M C Hamster broadcast on alt.fan.cecil-adams:
>
>
>>According to Reuters, Bush wants a flat income tax. And/or, a national
>>sales tax.
>
>
> You know, I might be reconciled to a national sales tax if it really
> applied to everything including the sale of equities, bonds,
> certificates of deposit, etc. You know, not just toilet paper, but
> also the stuff rich people buy.
yachts, hummers, S-class benzos.
and an additional tax on motorized vehicles like dirt bikes, jet skis, etc.
Jason Quick
<ra...@westnet.poe.com> wrote :
>M C Hamster <davo...@speakeasy.hairnet> wrote:
>> In trying to work through the Kubler-Ross stages (denial, anger,
>> bargaining,
>> depression and finally acceptance) with regard to the ghastly prospect of
>> another Bush term in office in the "acceptance" arena, I have thought to
>> myself that, at least, he can't possibly have a second term anywhere near
>> as
>> disastrous as his first term. Can he?
>
> If you're prone to self delusinal states that you view this term as
> clearly disasterous, then, short of some sort of new mediaction regimin,
> you're likely to continue in that state.
I dunno...foreign policy-wise, what else could you call it? Seems to me
this
guy could fuck up a two-can milk route, let alone something as complex and
dangerous as knocking over foreign governments and occupying their
countries.
Right now, there are *at least* a half-dozen major cities in Iraq that are
no-go zones
for our forces. You know that "Sadr City" that they've talked about as the
base for
that al-Sadr guy? Didja know that it's an eastern 'burb of Baghdad?
And pretty much all of Afghanistan is a no-go zone outside of Kabul.
Great foreign-policy management, there.
Jason
Jason Quick
"Shawn Wilson" <ikono...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> USAToday Poll: Bush 52, Kerry 45!!! (3 pt margin of error)
I get this strange feeling that polls are meaningless right at this moment.
This very same poll in 2000 showed Gore up by 6 at this point, and we both
know what happened there.
> PARTY AT MY HOUSE!
>
> Let the GOOD TIMES roll!!!!
>
> In your face!
Careful not to jizz on your desk, there.
Jason
huey.c...@gmail.com
> "Shawn Wilson" <ikono...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > USAToday Poll: Bush 52, Kerry 45!!! (3 pt margin of error)
> > Let the GOOD TIMES roll!!!!
> > In your face!
> Careful not to jizz on your desk, there.
*WEET!* ILLEGAL VISUAL, OFFENSE, FIFTEEN YARDS, REPEAT FIRST DOWN.
--
Huey
ra...@westnet.poe.com
> <ra...@westnet.poe.com> wrote :
> >M C Hamster <davo...@speakeasy.hairnet> wrote:
> >
> >> In trying to work through the Kubler-Ross stages (denial, anger,
> >> bargaining,
> >> depression and finally acceptance) with regard to the ghastly prospect of
> >> another Bush term in office in the "acceptance" arena, I have thought to
> >> myself that, at least, he can't possibly have a second term anywhere near
> >> as
> >> disastrous as his first term. Can he?
> >
> > If you're prone to self delusinal states that you view this term as
> > clearly disasterous, then, short of some sort of new mediaction regimin,
> > you're likely to continue in that state.
> I dunno...foreign policy-wise, what else could you call it?
Refreshing. Not brilliant, but some solid steps in the right direction.
> Seems to me this guy could fuck up a two-can milk route, let alone
> something as complex and dangerous as knocking over foreign governments
> and occupying their countries.
I suspect that you also will see a second Bush term as a disaster.
John Kerry
M C Hamster
news:q46dndw6cqA...@speakeasy.net...
It certainially isn't.
My tax return -- the paper that gets filed with the IRS every year -- is
about 7/8th of an inch thick. (The State of Illinois form is only half an
inch thick.) I own large amounts of stock in a French company (which took
over my old company). I own preferred stock, something called usufructs,
something called OBSAs, and something called ORAs, each of which has its own
tax implications with regard to what the French government gets and what the
US government gets. Prior to this I was a participating owner in an
S-corporation.
The last time I did my own taxes was about 1983. I won't tell you how much
my tax preparers charge me each year, but you'd be astonished. Every year,
I hope they're doing things correctly and are getting the most back that
they legally can for me, but I'd truly be the last to know. I just take the
form, and sign it, and write the check to Uncle Sam. (Well, I do check the
most basic things, but that's about it.)
Of course, paying taxes is my patriotic duty as a citizen of this great
country, so I don't mind it.
M C Hamster
news:2q5t3uF...@uni-berlin.de...
Nope.
I mentioned this a month or two ago, but I attended a fundraiser for
Kerry/Edwards at a hotel in downtown Chicago at which John Edwards spoke (as
did Obama and Mayor Daley and others), and I was astonished -- frightened,
actually -- that there was no security check at all... no metal detectors,
etc. There were obviously secret service and other people there, and maybe
if someone stood up and brandished a weapon they'd see that and take quick
action, but the overall lack of security really worried me.
Does everyone remember when poor Gerry Ford kept getting shot at? That was
*so* bizarre.
Opus the Penguin
> What happened to the '00 election curse? Was it officially broken
> by Reagan when he didn't die from getting shot?
Reagan eventually died of Alzheimer's, the disease he contracted while
in the White House.
Eerie, huh?
--
Opus the Penguin (that's my real email addy)
You snipped my sig!
David Zeiger
>And pretty much all of Afghanistan is a no-go zone outside of Kabul.
OK, but is this one really Bush's fault? Hasn't this been true for
at least 25 years or so now?
I mean, even if it had been Gore in the White House, I think
we'd still be in Afghanistan, and it'd would still be a big
mess. We might have more troops on the ground there (rather
than in Iraq), but I don't think Gore or anyone else would
be able to produce a miracle of a stable Afghanistan in
two years.
--
David Zeiger dze...@the-institute.net
Whenever I find myself in a difficult situation, I ask myself "What
Would Jesus Do?" The mental image of my opposition being cast into
pits of hellfire for all eternity *is* comforting, but probably not
what the inventors of the phrase had in mind.
huey.c...@gmail.com
I just got one of those from the WorldCom shareholder settlement. It was
about twelve pages of legal-beagle arglebargle, and I had absolutely no
idea what the hell it said, so I sent it to my uncle, who is an estate
lawyer. He told me "Basically, what it says in english is 'youse frucked'."
--
Huey
Mary Shafer
> You find it hard to believe? Why? Dana probably will need her taxes
> done. There are others (Big David, Bill Diamond) who are probably
> capable of doing their taxes themselves, but who could also probably
> benefit from having them looked at by a professional loophole-finder.
> Oh, and I seem to remember that there's this woman in AFCA who owns
> property in like three states - I bet her taxes are gonna be a
> nightmare. Can't remember who that is, though.
Actually, the property in multiple states isn't nearly the problem the
farm is. We have to show a profit now and then to be real farmers,
not folks with a house on five acres and a burning desire for
deductions. The deductions are just too tempting to all the weekend
farmers and the IRS is very suspicious.
I haven't looked closely at the various tax packages, so I'm not sure
they have everything we'd need, with the farms, rental property, and
other oddities. Adding in two more states doesn't seem too likely.
Mary
--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer
mil...@qnet.com
Jason Quick
> On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:32:48 -0500, Jason Quick <jsq...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>>And pretty much all of Afghanistan is a no-go zone outside of Kabul.
>
> OK, but is this one really Bush's fault? Hasn't this been true for
> at least 25 years or so now?
At least. Probably much longer.
> I mean, even if it had been Gore in the White House, I think
> we'd still be in Afghanistan, and it'd would still be a big
> mess. We might have more troops on the ground there (rather
> than in Iraq), but I don't think Gore or anyone else would
> be able to produce a miracle of a stable Afghanistan in
> two years.
No, I can't imagine he would. But GW Bush is the one making claims about
the world being A Better Place since he's CinC. If Gore made a similar
claim, and Afghanistan were in the state it's in, I'd hammer him just the
same. Especially if he diverted resources to go off on some other adventure
of rather more dubious import to US national security. There's this bit
from a report on Sen. Bob Graham's book, out tomorrow, that I feel is
illustrative:
"Graham also revealed that Gen. Tommy Franks told him on Feb. 19, 2002, just
four months after the invasion of Afghanistan, that many important
resources -- including the Predator drone aircraft crucial to the search for
Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda leaders -- were being shifted to prepare for a
war against Iraq.
Graham recalled this conversation at MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa with
Franks, then head of Central Command, who was 'looking troubled':
'Senator, we are not engaged in a war in Afghanistan'
'Excuse me?' I asked.
''Military and intelligence personnel are being redeployed to prepare for an
action in Iraq,'' he continued."
If even half of what's supposed to be in Graham's book is accurate, we're
*so* fucked with four more years of this clown.
Jason
Crashj
<mikein562...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Lars Eighner wrote:
<>
>> also the stuff rich people buy.
>
>yachts, hummers, S-class benzos.
Never paid for a hummer in my life.
--
Crashj
Crashj
<davo...@speakeasy.hairnet> wrote:
<>
>According to Reuters, Bush wants a flat income tax. And/or, a national
>sales tax.
>
>don't we.
<>
What about the accountants, doesn't anyone care about them?
.
.
.
Actually I agree about the concern with a sales tax, flat income tax,
or VAT as a regressive tax which treats the poor more as a source of
revenue. But they also get a disproportionate share of the benefits.
So there.
--
Crashj
SoCalMike
> On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:32:48 -0500, Jason Quick <jsq...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>And pretty much all of Afghanistan is a no-go zone outside of Kabul.
>
>
> OK, but is this one really Bush's fault? Hasn't this been true for
> at least 25 years or so now?
>
> I mean, even if it had been Gore in the White House, I think
> we'd still be in Afghanistan, and it'd would still be a big
> mess. We might have more troops on the ground there (rather
> than in Iraq), but I don't think Gore or anyone else would
> be able to produce a miracle of a stable Afghanistan in
> two years.
i dont think wed really care, as long as osama and the taliban were
eradicated.
David Zeiger
>No, I can't imagine he would. But GW Bush is the one making claims about
>the world being A Better Place since he's CinC. If Gore made a similar
>claim, and Afghanistan were in the state it's in, I'd hammer him just the
>same.
Hmmm, well, I think it's not too unfair a claim to say that the world
is A Better Place with a good chunk of the Talbian and Al-Qaeda
gone and the rest in, at least, a considerably more stressed
situation than they were in as of mid-2001.
That doesn't mean that it's the Best if Could Have Been, of course,
but then again, it never is.
And the diversion of military resources holds, I think, probably
more symbolic value for the anti-Bush campagins than it does
actual signifigance for the short-term stability of Afghanistan.
Complain all you want about him switching targets midstream,
but I think that simply noting that Afghanistan is unstable
as an example of Why Bush Sucks is probably unfair. Probably
better to keep it to Iraq.
Kim
>
> The last time I did my own taxes was about 1983. I won't tell you
> how much my tax preparers charge me each year, but you'd be
> astonished.
No, I probably wouldn't. I used to take that money for a living (back when I
had to be an EA). The thing that always did astonish me was how many people
would pay me $50 to do their EZ form.
I guess that's why I just figure *anyone* can do their taxes - it seems very
simple and straightforward to me, and since I have a feeling I am kind of on
the low end of the totem pole in here as far as brains go, that it should be
a snap for everyone else. OBSA's and foreign income earned re dividends
wouldn't even be a challenge for me.
--
Kim
*The big difference between "Jeopardy!" and "South Park" is that at the end
of
every episode of "South Park," Kenny dies. (Eliott Schiff)*
Chad Larson
<davo...@speakeasy.hairnet> wrote:
>"Anthony Myers usenet personality" <anthony...@wmconnect.comhormel>
>wrote in message news:20040907042425...@mb-m29.wmconnect.com...
>>> Where does the rioting in the
>>>streets come in?
>>
>> whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is
>> the
>> Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new
>> Government,
>> laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such
>> form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and
>> Happiness
>
>Can we secede from George's union?
>
>Seriously (well, semi-seriously)... at some point -- agreed, we're not near
>that yet -- might the minority of us in all the sane places in this country
>(Northeast, upper midwest, and west coast) not decide we've just had enough
>of the neocon's view of the universe, and say that we'd rather have our own
>government, thank you?
>
>Does our constitution specify any conditions under which a state, once
>having joined the union, can decide to leave the union? All we're talking
>about is a little divorce, that's all. I know, they're messy, but often
>they're a good idea.
>
>Would the South and southern/western midwest and western states really care?
>
>M C Hamster "Big Wheel Keep on Turnin'" -- Creedence Clearwater Revival
>
>
You might remeber a little skirmish we've taken to calling The Civil
War occuring the last time someone tried that trick.
M C Hamster
news:7OOdnS24oZx...@speakeasy.net...
Actually, as I understand it, a usufruct is pretty much like an ordinary
share of stock, except that it does not include voting rights. Since I'm
not exactly in a similar stock-owning position as, say, Warren Buffett, this
isn't too disappointing.
The ORAs are described as synthetic stock. Each year, they are like a
budding tree, and shed a certain number of shares of ordinary stock.... this
goes on for the next 18 years. However, I can sell the ORAs before they
have synthesized all their stock.
You can ask Kim what the OBSAs are. It's not obsavious to me.
huey.c...@gmail.com
> No, I probably wouldn't. I used to take that money for a living
> (back when I had to be an EA). The thing that always did astonish me
> was how many people would pay me $50 to do their EZ form.
I used to know a guy who'd bet you half the difference against
nothin that he could save you money on your tax return. You do your
taxes, then he'd do your taxes, and you pay him half the difference of
what he saved you. Mostly he did this by itemizing and knowing more
about deductions than the average person who files an EZ.
I also did PC tech support for a major chain of tax prep places, and the
impression I got from dealing with those people was that most of them
are dumber than knitting wool hats for your sheepdog.
--
Huey
M C Hamster
news:k8dsj05nbqf11bupu...@4ax.com...
> On 7 Sep 2004 09:42:13 -0500, "M C Hamster"
> <davo...@speakeasy.hairnet> wrote:
>>
>>Would the South and southern/western midwest and western states really
>>care?
>
> You might remeber a little skirmish we've taken to calling The Civil
> War occuring the last time someone tried that trick.
Well, maybe we've learned our lesson. What the hell was Lincoln thinkin'?
(thincoln?)
I suppose you're right. The Texans are happy to be finally able to dominate
us and force us to live under their imposed police state, and just like it
for the sheer sadism of it all. They'd be pissed and come after us.
Boron Elgar
wrote:
>M C Hamster wrote:
>
>>
>> The last time I did my own taxes was about 1983. I won't tell you
>> how much my tax preparers charge me each year, but you'd be
>> astonished.
>
>No, I probably wouldn't. I used to take that money for a living (back when I
>had to be an EA). The thing that always did astonish me was how many people
>would pay me $50 to do their EZ form.
>
>I guess that's why I just figure *anyone* can do their taxes - it seems very
>simple and straightforward to me, and since I have a feeling I am kind of on
>the low end of the totem pole in here as far as brains go, that it should be
>a snap for everyone else. OBSA's and foreign income earned re dividends
>wouldn't even be a challenge for me.
I have not done my own taxes since 1971. I have no objections to
writing the checks and paying what I owe.
Sometimes it has been a husband who has done them, sometimes an
accountant that I have paid for, sometimes the company accountant and
the company paid for it to be done...net, net, it is never me.
Boron
Missbeckett
wrote in:
>Message-id: <5ddrj0po43ab80qlp...@4ax.com>
>As a side point - how many of the Hollywood (D) folk that threatened to leave
>last time actually kept their word and left?
The only one I know of is Johnny Depp (France). However, he did marry a
frenchwoman, so that my have been another factor in his decision to go.
-Beckett
--
"Ah, yes - but just because I'm frivolous doesn't mean I lack intellect. After
all, anyone can get the *meat* of it all, the secret of life is in the *sauce*.
1-26-03
Lots42 The Library Avenger
>From: missbeckett@
>The only one I know of is Johnny Depp (France). However, he did marry a
>frenchwoman, so that my have been another factor in his decision to go.
> -Beckett
Good riddance.
Lots42 The Library Avenger
>As a side point - how many of the Hollywood (D) folk that threatened to leave
>last time actually kept their word and left?
>
>
>--
>Binyamin Dissen
You silly. They never -reall- threatened to leave. They were misinterpted. It
was their publicist's fault.
Dilbert Firestorm
>Dilbert Firestorm wrote:
>
>
>>actually, its a great idea!!!!!!
>>
>>do you really like filling out those income tax form and pay a tax
>>prepare to do it for ya and drop it to your nearest friendly postal
>>officer on april 18 before midnite??????
>>
>>
>
>You know, I find it extremely hard to believe that there's anyone in this
>group who lives in the United States that actually needs to pay a tax
>preparer to fill out their tax forms. Especially since most everyone in here
>owns a computer.
>
>And if there is anyone in here who pays a preparer - e-mail me and I'll send
>you a copy of Turbo Tax. If you can read, you can fill out your own tax
>form.
>
>Oh - and if you are sending in your form on April 18th, you are probably
>paying a penalty. You can eliminate that expense, too, you know.
>
I forgot what the last day to turn in the tax forms. was it april 12?
huey.c...@gmail.com
> (attributions wacky, but it may have been Binyamin Dissen
> post...@dissensoftware.com ? who wrote:)
> > As a side point - how many of the Hollywood (D) folk that threatened
> > to leave last time actually kept their word and left?
> The only one I know of is Johnny Depp (France). However, he did marry a
> frenchwoman, so that my have been another factor in his decision to go.
I thought it was Richard Gere that was threatening to go. Which is a
bummer. Maybe we could have gotten a case of good cheese or a gamelan
ensemble or something for him...
--
Huey
Dilbert Firestorm
>"Anthony Myers usenet personality" <anthony...@wmconnect.comhormel>
>wrote in message news:20040907042425...@mb-m29.wmconnect.com...
>
>
>>>Where does the rioting in the
>>>streets come in?
>>>
>>>
>>whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is
>>the
>>Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new
>>Government,
>>laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such
>>form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and
>>Happiness
>>
>>
>
>Can we secede from George's union?
>
>Seriously (well, semi-seriously)... at some point -- agreed, we're not near
>that yet -- might the minority of us in all the sane places in this country
>(Northeast, upper midwest, and west coast) not decide we've just had enough
>of the neocon's view of the universe, and say that we'd rather have our own
>government, thank you?
>
>Does our constitution specify any conditions under which a state, once
>having joined the union, can decide to leave the union? All we're talking
>about is a little divorce, that's all. I know, they're messy, but often
>they're a good idea.
>
>Would the South and southern/western midwest and western states really care?
>
>M C Hamster "Big Wheel Keep on Turnin'" -- Creedence Clearwater Revival
>
>
the constitution does have a provision for the states to call a
constitutional convention. that provision has never been used which is
interesting by itself as it could have avoided a war in 1860.
kay w
Someone:
>> > As a side point - how many of the Hollywood (D) folk that threatened
>> > to leave last time actually kept their word and left?
Huey:
>I thought it was Richard Gere that was threatening to go. Which is a
>bummer. Maybe we could have gotten a case of good cheese or a gamelan
>ensemble or something for him...
I think it was Whatsisname, who was married to Kim Basinger....not one of those
Garcias, but that other family, you know the one.
--
"I'm as pure as the driven slush" -Tallulah Bankhead
Dilbert Firestorm
>On 6 Sep 2004 23:19:10 -0500, "M C Hamster"
><davo...@speakeasy.hairnet> wrote:
><>
>
>
>>According to Reuters, Bush wants a flat income tax. And/or, a national
>>sales tax.
>>
>>Terrific. Just terrific, George. Let's increase taxes on poor people, why
>>don't we.
>>
>>
><>
>What about the accountants, doesn't anyone care about them?
>..
>..
>..
>Actually I agree about the concern with a sales tax, flat income tax,
>or VAT as a regressive tax which treats the poor more as a source of
>revenue. But they also get a disproportionate share of the benefits.
>So there.
>
think about this. consumers are double taxed without even knowing it
at the cashier. corporations & companies are income taxed and they do
pass these taxes on to consumers by increasing prices.
by doing away with the income tax code and having a vat or sales tax as
a revenue stream, double taxing would for the most part be eliminated.
the prices on goods would be cheaper. by what degree, I don't know.
Joe Shimkus
Dilbert Firestorm <scanb_no_spam31@*no_spam*I-55*no_spam*.com> wrote:
> think about this. consumers are double taxed without even knowing it
> at the cashier. corporations & companies are income taxed and they do
> pass these taxes on to consumers by increasing prices.
>
> by doing away with the income tax code and having a vat or sales tax as
> a revenue stream, double taxing would for the most part be eliminated.
> the prices on goods would be cheaper. by what degree, I don't know.
Gov't needs $x to operate. x is derived from income tax (y) and sales
tax, ad valorum taxes, etc. (call these z). So x = y+z. Eliminate y
and the money has to be made up for by increasing z. That money doesn't
sprout fully-formed from the brow of Zeus.
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understanding what that even means. - Robert Cringely
Bob Ward
>Previously, and snipped:
>
>Someone:
>>> > As a side point - how many of the Hollywood (D) folk that threatened
>>> > to leave last time actually kept their word and left?
>
>Huey:
>>I thought it was Richard Gere that was threatening to go. Which is a
>>bummer. Maybe we could have gotten a case of good cheese or a gamelan
>>ensemble or something for him...
>
>I think it was Whatsisname, who was married to Kim Basinger....not one of those
>Garcias, but that other family, you know the one.
You mean the bald ones?
Charles Bishop
<j...@shimkus.com> wrote:
>In article <chlpal$r3t$1...@news.datasync.com>,
> Dilbert Firestorm <scanb_no_spam31@*no_spam*I-55*no_spam*.com> wrote:
>
>> think about this. consumers are double taxed without even knowing it
>> at the cashier. corporations & companies are income taxed and they do
>> pass these taxes on to consumers by increasing prices.
>>
>> by doing away with the income tax code and having a vat or sales tax as
>> a revenue stream, double taxing would for the most part be eliminated.
>> the prices on goods would be cheaper. by what degree, I don't know.
>
>Gov't needs $x to operate. x is derived from income tax (y) and sales
>tax, ad valorum taxes, etc. (call these z). So x = y+z. Eliminate y
>and the money has to be made up for by increasing z. That money doesn't
>sprout fully-formed from the brow of Zeus.
No, but if taxes are more self evident, then it's possible that people
will say "I pay THAT much?" and soon grants for investigating sea snails
food preferences will not be available. The reason there are many and
varied taxes has to do mostly with how they are added, but it's also a
function of politicians knowing that if they keep them hidden, each one
looks small by itself and it's hard to get a good idea of the aggregate
amount.
It wouldn't bother me if the government did less for me.
charles
Alan Hamilton
wrote:
>Dilbert Firestorm wrote:
>> actually, its a great idea!!!!!!
>>
>> do you really like filling out those income tax form and pay a tax
>> prepare to do it for ya and drop it to your nearest friendly postal
>> officer on april 18 before midnite??????
>
>You know, I find it extremely hard to believe that there's anyone in this
>group who lives in the United States that actually needs to pay a tax
>preparer to fill out their tax forms. Especially since most everyone in here
>owns a computer.
If all your income is on a W-2, you're right.
If you're self-employed, it gets considerably more complex. (This,
BTW, is why you get all the columns and comic strips about 9" high tax
returns in April -- those guys are all self-employed.)
However, what makes the taxes more complicated is the deductions. I
could have just filed a 1040A and ignored my mortgage and charitable
deductions. Of course, I would have paid more in taxes.
--
/
/ * / Alan Hamilton
* * al...@arizonaroads.com
Alan Hamilton
wrote:
>What happened to the '00 election curse? Was it officially broken by Reagan
>when he didn't die from getting shot? Can't fate step in here and do it's
>f...ing job?
Ahem. President *Ashcroft*!?
Alan Hamilton
<scanb_no_spam31@*no_spam*I-55*no_spam*.com> wrote:
>think about this. consumers are double taxed without even knowing it
>at the cashier. corporations & companies are income taxed and they do
>pass these taxes on to consumers by increasing prices.
And workers are taxed on their income, which they pass on to their
employers as higher wages. So everything is infinitely taxed.
Oliver Sampson
wrote:
>Dilbert Firestorm wrote:
>> actually, its a great idea!!!!!!
>>
>> do you really like filling out those income tax form and pay a tax
>> prepare to do it for ya and drop it to your nearest friendly postal
>> officer on april 18 before midnite??????
>
>You know, I find it extremely hard to believe that there's anyone in this
>group who lives in the United States that actually needs to pay a tax
>preparer to fill out their tax forms. Especially since most everyone in here
>owns a computer.
>
>And if there is anyone in here who pays a preparer - e-mail me and I'll send
>you a copy of Turbo Tax.
What's it like being a criminal, Kim?
If you can read, you can fill out your own tax
>form.
>
>Oh - and if you are sending in your form on April 18th, you are probably
>paying a penalty. You can eliminate that expense, too, you know.
--
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Oliver Sampson
wrote:
>Shotgun_Mosquito wrote:
>>> And if there is anyone in here who pays a preparer - e-mail me and
>>> I'll send you a copy of Turbo Tax. If you can read, you can fill out
>>> your own tax form.
>>
>> Why risk the chance of being called a software pirate, when you can
>> get TaxAct for free?
>>
>> http://www.taxact.com
>
>No, I wouldn't be a software pirate. I get a bunch of copies free because I
>am a registered EA for the IRS. Just something I kept up with even after I
>quit my job. I also still pay my NEA dues, although I haven't taught in
>forever.
Are there no restrictions on those licenses?
Kim
>
> If you're self-employed, it gets considerably more complex. (This,
> BTW, is why you get all the columns and comic strips about 9" high tax
> returns in April -- those guys are all self-employed.)
I still have 5 or 6 people who I do taxes for every year - holdovers from my
days of doing them exclusively for a living. They refuse to let anyone else
prepare their taxes, so they send me all their stuff every year.
The one that is the most complicated ends up being about 100 pages - the guy
has loads of rental property, two businesses, lots of investments, a couple
of company vehicles and equipment that gets depreciated every year, and he
gets a couple of K2's every year.
> However, what makes the taxes more complicated is the deductions. I
> could have just filed a 1040A and ignored my mortgage and charitable
> deductions. Of course, I would have paid more in taxes.
Depends on if your mortgage interest, taxes, and charitable contributions
added up to more than your standard deduction.
Most people (including the ones mentioned above) come back to me year after
year to do their taxes because I am pretty good at knowing and applying all
the little deductions no one at H&R Block thinks about. The company I worked
for when I did this regularly required all their employees be EA's, and take
tons of workshops that went over new IRS laws and requirements, as well as
investing workshops, workshops on mortgage brokering, fiduciaries, estate
planning, new deductions and newly banned deductions, etc. This was in
direct contrast to the H&R Block practice of pretty much hiring people off
the streets to do taxes. My boss wouldn't even hire people who had *ever*
worked at H&R Block.
Also, we worked year round, not just during tax season. We were "financial
planners" as well as tax preparers, which I think helped voth the employees
and our clients. Most of the people I did returns for were our normal,
regular clients, not just the people who were at Sears and decided to go in
this little room and have Jackson Hewitt do their taxes while they shopped.
I like doing taxes, I find it fun. But, then again, I liked accounting
enough to make math my major in college. I hate all that "as X approaches
infinity y will get directly inverted proportionately..." stuff, but I love
math. I like that columns of numbers add up - you always know if you are
right or wrong because the bottom number tells you so. I love accounting, I
love balancing a checkbook, I love doing P&L's, I love doing balance sheets,
and taxes. But I hate graphing numbers and parabolas, and quadratic
equations.
I only made math my major, instead of accounting, because Sister Katie, my
Advanced Calculus teacher talked me into it. She said I was "gifted" when it
came to math, and that it was "God's will" that I be a math major.
Stupid Catholic colleges. She probably got an extra helping of Chicken a La
King at the rectory dining hall for every student she signed up to her
department.
Kim
> On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:02:06 -0400, "Kim" <flhs...@adelphia.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Shotgun_Mosquito wrote:
>>>> And if there is anyone in here who pays a preparer - e-mail me and
>>>> I'll send you a copy of Turbo Tax. If you can read, you can fill
>>>> out your own tax form.
>>>
>>> Why risk the chance of being called a software pirate, when you can
>>> get TaxAct for free?
>>>
>>> http://www.taxact.com
>>
>> No, I wouldn't be a software pirate. I get a bunch of copies free
>> because I am a registered EA for the IRS. Just something I kept up
>> with even after I quit my job. I also still pay my NEA dues,
>> although I haven't taught in forever.
>
> Are there no restrictions on those licenses?
No, they are for us to give to clients as we see fit. And now you owe me an
apology for calling me a criminal.
Kim
> On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:22:40 -0400, "Kim" <flhs...@adelphia.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Dilbert Firestorm wrote:
>>> actually, its a great idea!!!!!!
>>>
>>> do you really like filling out those income tax form and pay a tax
>>> prepare to do it for ya and drop it to your nearest friendly postal
>>> officer on april 18 before midnite??????
>>
>> You know, I find it extremely hard to believe that there's anyone in
>> this group who lives in the United States that actually needs to pay
>> a tax preparer to fill out their tax forms. Especially since most
>> everyone in here owns a computer.
>>
>> And if there is anyone in here who pays a preparer - e-mail me and
>> I'll send you a copy of Turbo Tax.
>
> What's it like being a criminal, Kim?
I wouldn't know, but what's it like to jump to the wrong conclusion and put
your foot in your mouth?
M C Hamster
news:2q7qbnF...@uni-berlin.de...
> On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 21:04:01 -0400, Dilbert Firestorm
> <scanb_no_spam31@*no_spam*I-55*no_spam*.com> wrote:
>
>
>>think about this. consumers are double taxed without even knowing it
>>at the cashier. corporations & companies are income taxed and they do
>>pass these taxes on to consumers by increasing prices.
>
> And workers are taxed on their income, which they pass on to their
> employers as higher wages. So everything is infinitely taxed.
OMG! It's all a Ponzi scheme! We're all doomed! Next, the 1040 will say:
"Send your payment to the person on the top of the list, delete them, and
add yours to the bottom..."
ra...@westnet.poe.com
> "Chad Larson" <Lars...@juno.com> wrote in message
> news:k8dsj05nbqf11bupu...@4ax.com...
> > On 7 Sep 2004 09:42:13 -0500, "M C Hamster"
> > <davo...@speakeasy.hairnet> wrote:
> >>
> >>Would the South and southern/western midwest and western states really
> >>care?
> >
> > You might remeber a little skirmish we've taken to calling The Civil
> > War occuring the last time someone tried that trick.
> Well, maybe we've learned our lesson. What the hell was Lincoln thinkin'?
> (thincoln?)
> I suppose you're right. The Texans are happy to be finally able to dominate
> us and force us to live under their imposed police state, and just like it
> for the sheer sadism of it all. They'd be pissed and come after us.
But you can emigrate! Come on! There's wonderfull Canada, right there!
ALl the cheap meds and socialized health care you can swallow!
John
--
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Ask me about joining the NRA.
ra...@westnet.poe.com
> >Binyamin Dissen post...@dissensoftware.com
> wrote in:
> >Message-id: <5ddrj0po43ab80qlp...@4ax.com>
> >As a side point - how many of the Hollywood (D) folk that threatened to leave
> >last time actually kept their word and left?
> The only one I know of is Johnny Depp (France). However, he did marry a
> frenchwoman, so that my have been another factor in his decision to go.
Depp threatened to leave? Hmm, googling indicates that it was not about
politics: "There is still the possibility to live a simple life. You can
go to the market, walk about, buy fruits and vegetables -- the things they
did 100 and 200 years ago. We have moments when we're sitting in our house
and our kids are playing, and we look at one another and think, 'Thank God
we escaped.'"
Hmm, more googling shows he's another anti. Pity. Oh well, one needn't
agree with an entertainers politics to enjoy thier work.
Dave T.
What did he ever do to you?
ra...@westnet.poe.com
> On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 17:27:44 GMT, SoCalMike
> <mikein562...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Lars Eighner wrote:
> <>
> >> also the stuff rich people buy.
> >
> >yachts, hummers, S-class benzos.
> Never paid for a hummer in my life.
I have. Just for fun, mind you.
Charles Bishop
<al...@arizonaroads.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 21:04:01 -0400, Dilbert Firestorm
><scanb_no_spam31@*no_spam*I-55*no_spam*.com> wrote:
>
>
>>think about this. consumers are double taxed without even knowing it
>>at the cashier. corporations & companies are income taxed and they do
>>pass these taxes on to consumers by increasing prices.
>
>And workers are taxed on their income, which they pass on to their
>employers as higher wages.
I'd accept less wages if they weren't taxed. Just how much less would
depend on the accounting and circumstances, but it's certainly possible.
We even have real-life examples-Waiters were willing to accept a lot less
as a "wage" when they could make it up with tips, /and/ the reporting of
tips wasn't as fierce as it is now. I think when it became so that the
"recommended" tip rate rose to 15% from 10% as their effective wage
dropped. People are willing to accept less money if their intent is to not
report the income.
>So everything is infinitely taxed.
Oh, were you being sarcastic? Ironic?
charles
Oliver Sampson
wrote:
>Oliver Sampson wrote:
>> On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:22:40 -0400, "Kim" <flhs...@adelphia.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dilbert Firestorm wrote:
>>>> actually, its a great idea!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> do you really like filling out those income tax form and pay a tax
>>>> prepare to do it for ya and drop it to your nearest friendly postal
>>>> officer on april 18 before midnite??????
>>>
>>> You know, I find it extremely hard to believe that there's anyone in
>>> this group who lives in the United States that actually needs to pay
>>> a tax preparer to fill out their tax forms. Especially since most
>>> everyone in here owns a computer.
>>>
>>> And if there is anyone in here who pays a preparer - e-mail me and
>>> I'll send you a copy of Turbo Tax.
>>
>> What's it like being a criminal, Kim?
>
>I wouldn't know, but what's it like to jump to the wrong conclusion and put
>your foot in your mouth?
Granted half of the answer I was looking for was downthread, but,
y'know, if you don't know what your licenses are, that doesn't make it
not an illegal act. You really should look into shit like that,
before you start broadcasting on Usenet that you're slogging off
complimentary copies of TurboTax.
kay w
Kim:
>>>> And if there is anyone in here who pays a preparer - e-mail me and
>>>> I'll send you a copy of Turbo Tax.
OliverS:
>>> What's it like being a criminal, Kim?
Kim:
>>I wouldn't know, but what's it like to jump to the wrong conclusion and put
>>your foot in your mouth?
Oliver:
>Granted half of the answer I was looking for was downthread, but,
>y'know, if you don't know what your licenses are, that doesn't make it
>not an illegal act. You really should look into shit like that,
>before you start broadcasting on Usenet that you're slogging off
>complimentary copies of TurboTax.
I looked over Oliver's answer, and there's nothing there that looks like the
apology Kim deserves.
Oliver Sampson
wrote:
>Oliver Sampson wrote:
>> On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:02:06 -0400, "Kim" <flhs...@adelphia.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Shotgun_Mosquito wrote:
>>>>> And if there is anyone in here who pays a preparer - e-mail me and
>>>>> I'll send you a copy of Turbo Tax. If you can read, you can fill
>>>>> out your own tax form.
>>>>
>>>> Why risk the chance of being called a software pirate, when you can
>>>> get TaxAct for free?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.taxact.com
>>>
>>> No, I wouldn't be a software pirate. I get a bunch of copies free
>>> because I am a registered EA for the IRS. Just something I kept up
>>> with even after I quit my job. I also still pay my NEA dues,
>>> although I haven't taught in forever.
>>
>> Are there no restrictions on those licenses?
>
>No, they are for us to give to clients as we see fit. And now you owe me an
>apology for calling me a criminal.
1) don't bother reading my other reply.
2) I'm sorry for calling you a criminal.
huey.c...@gmail.com
> The company I worked for when I did this regularly required all
> their employees be EA's, and take tons of workshops that went over
> new IRS laws and requirements, as well as investing workshops,
> workshops on mortgage brokering, fiduciaries, estate planning, new
> deductions and newly banned deductions, etc. This was in direct
> contrast to the H&R Block practice of pretty much hiring people off
> the streets to do taxes. My boss wouldn't even hire people who had
> *ever* worked at H&R Block.
I was about to write this post, when I remembered that I'd already
written it:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=s36nabn9hsq28%40corp.supernews.com
The solution that we developed was to charge the customer $50 for every
R/R of a computer that came back to my shop and worked perfectly on my
test LAN, which was set up to exactly mirror an H&R Block branch office.
In the last tax year I worked for that company, Block returned mover 120
computers as 'defective', more than 80 of which worked flawlessly both
before and after - and most of which were sent back to Block as 'new'
and subsequently worked fine. Of the remainder, some were actual
hardware problems (stuff that gets slammed when moved being the #1
culprit of computer rental agencies, which translates to failed hard
drives, mostly) and some could only have been "their user or their
tech tried to screw with it first". Probably some "tech plugged
high-voltagePBX cable into ethernet card" in there too.
The driving thought in my mind was:
If this is how you run your company, there's no way you're doing my taxes.
And I'll tell my friends this.
I don't have an accountant anymore, though. My taxes have gotten
progressively less and less complicated over the last two years, and
this year they'll be downright simple. The hardest part is finding all
of the Salvation Army receipts.
--
Huey
Kim
> On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:24:29 -0400, "Kim" <flhs...@adelphia.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Oliver Sampson wrote:
>>> On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:02:06 -0400, "Kim" <flhs...@adelphia.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Shotgun_Mosquito wrote:
>>>>>> And if there is anyone in here who pays a preparer - e-mail me
>>>>>> and I'll send you a copy of Turbo Tax. If you can read, you can
>>>>>> fill
>>>>>> out your own tax form.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why risk the chance of being called a software pirate, when you
>>>>> can get TaxAct for free?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.taxact.com
>>>>
>>>> No, I wouldn't be a software pirate. I get a bunch of copies free
>>>> because I am a registered EA for the IRS. Just something I kept up
>>>> with even after I quit my job. I also still pay my NEA dues,
>>>> although I haven't taught in forever.
>>>
>>> Are there no restrictions on those licenses?
>>
>> No, they are for us to give to clients as we see fit. And now you
>> owe me an apology for calling me a criminal.
>
> 1) don't bother reading my other reply.
> 2) I'm sorry for calling you a criminal.
Thank you - apology accepted.
M C Hamster
news:xfydnZIe-tn...@adelphia.com...
> Oliver Sampson wrote:
>> On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:24:29 -0400, "Kim" <flhs...@adelphia.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oliver Sampson wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:02:06 -0400, "Kim" <flhs...@adelphia.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Shotgun_Mosquito wrote:
>>>>>>> And if there is anyone in here who pays a preparer - e-mail me
>>>>>>> and I'll send you a copy of Turbo Tax. If you can read, you can
>>>>>>> fill
>>>>>>> out your own tax form.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why risk the chance of being called a software pirate, when you
>>>>>> can get TaxAct for free?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.taxact.com
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I wouldn't be a software pirate. I get a bunch of copies free
>>>>> because I am a registered EA for the IRS. Just something I kept up
>>>>> with even after I quit my job. I also still pay my NEA dues,
>>>>> although I haven't taught in forever.
>>>>
>>>> Are there no restrictions on those licenses?
>>>
>>> No, they are for us to give to clients as we see fit. And now you
>>> owe me an apology for calling me a criminal.
>>
>> 1) don't bother reading my other reply.
>> 2) I'm sorry for calling you a criminal.
>
> Thank you - apology accepted.
>
The only thing worse than an absymal, insincere display of hamstering, as
kay recently did, is a golden missed opportunity for one.
M C Hamster
news:20040908114145...@mb-m07.aol.com...
Well, look who's talking, Ms. phony hamsterer. A FINE one to talk.
Jordan Abel
probably about 42 netiquette rules, but i thought it was interesting
[for those not reading the headers, this originated in
alt.fan.cecil-adams, and i am taking it to soc.history.what-if]
Dilbert Firestorm wrote:
> M C Hamster wrote:
>> Does our constitution specify any conditions under which a state, once
>> having joined the union, can decide to leave the union? All we're
>> talking about is a little divorce, that's all. I know, they're messy,
>> but often they're a good idea.
>>
>> Would the South and southern/western midwest and western states really
>> care?
>>
>> M C Hamster "Big Wheel Keep on Turnin'" -- Creedence Clearwater Revival
>>
>>
> the constitution does have a provision for the states to call a
> constitutional convention. that provision has never been used which is
> interesting by itself as it could have avoided a war in 1860.
What if they had done so?
Boron Elgar
<davo...@speakeasy.hairnet> wrote:
http://www.americazoo.com/goto/index/mammals/173.htm
kay w
MC:
>Well, look who's talking, Ms. phony hamsterer. A FINE one to talk.
Well, hell, I've been given to understand that the Ms Real Hamster position has
been taken, and the Ms Phony Hamster job is all that's left.
M C Hamster
> Previously,
>
> MC:
>>Well, look who's talking, Ms. phony hamsterer. A FINE one to talk.
>
> Well, hell, I've been given to understand that the Ms Real Hamster
> position has
> been taken, and the Ms Phony Hamster job is all that's left.
>
You know, in all my married years... I don't recall Ms. Real Hamster ever
hamstering, either.
Oliver Sampson
wrote:
>>Binyamin Dissen post...@dissensoftware.com
>wrote in:
>>Message-id: <5ddrj0po43ab80qlp...@4ax.com>
>
>>As a side point - how many of the Hollywood (D) folk that threatened to leave
>>last time actually kept their word and left?
>
>The only one I know of is Johnny Depp (France). However, he did marry a
>frenchwoman, so that my have been another factor in his decision to go.
> -Beckett
He lives near John Malkovich.
groo
news:413f413c$0$37238$45be...@newscene.com:
>
> The only thing worse than an absymal, insincere display of hamstering,
> as kay recently did, is a golden missed opportunity for one.
Hey! I recently was chided by you, and gave up the hamstering of my life.
Did I hear a "well done" or "good job" from you? No. The sound of crickets
was deafening. Well, I'm through, bucko. You want some hamstering, go visit
Petco and stuff some pellets up your ass.
--
Is there a name for reverse hamstering?
groo
news:IKadnVRmlc0...@adelphia.com:
> I like doing taxes, I find it fun. But, then again, I liked accounting
> enough to make math my major in college. I hate all that "as X
> approaches infinity y will get directly inverted proportionately..."
> stuff, but I love math. I like that columns of numbers add up - you
> always know if you are right or wrong because the bottom number tells
> you so. I love accounting, I love balancing a checkbook, I love doing
> P&L's, I love doing balance sheets, and taxes. But I hate graphing
> numbers and parabolas, and quadratic equations.
I am apparently the anti-Kim. I hate doing taxes (and filling out almost
any kind of form). But give me an equation and some graph paper and I can
have a great old time.
--
"I feel nothing but dread about almost everything. But understand I'm a
Cubs fan *and* a Democrat." - M C Hamster
groo
@monger.newsread.com:
> Crashj <leader00...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> Never paid for a hummer in my life.
>
> I have. Just for fun, mind you.
Is there another reason why people buy hummers? Do they consider them wise
investments? Do they get them to impress the neighbors?
M C Hamster
news:Xns955E9EED06B42...@64.164.98.50...
Groo:
I'm really, really sorry. I didn't see the hamstering that you did... I
don't know why I missed it, but it was very wrong of me not to notice it.
For those who missed it, here it is (via Gooja):
***
You have my most abject apologies. In my puerile attempt at humor, I gave
the false impression that Kay's apology was appropriate. In doing so, I have
inadvertently helped to degrade the lofty standards for hamstering, a
process which I and all decent people deplore. My posting was
igregiously ill-considered, and I sincerely regret it.
I shall forever be shamed by my thoughtless and inconsiderate posting. There
is no possible defense for my actions. I can only hope that the harm caused
by my repugnant mistake has been minimal, and swear that I shall endeavor to
improve the quality of my discourse in this forum, from this day forward.
I humbly beg for your forgiveness, although I clearly do not deserve it. I
can only hope that your reputation for benevolence and near-infinite
tolerance will allow you to somehow excuse my failures and someday, in the
distant future, to find it in your heart to put this sad episode behind us.
***
Your graciousness in this note was almost enough to bring a tear to my eye
just now. I can understand why my lack of response was so infuriating to
you, and I hope, too, that my thoughtless blunder can be forgiven.
Oh, you misspelled "egregiously", twitnik.
Boron Elgar
>ra...@westnet.poe.com wrote in news:WIE%c.916$Pd2.392580
>@monger.newsread.com:
>
>> Crashj <leader00...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Never paid for a hummer in my life.
>>
>> I have. Just for fun, mind you.
>
>Is there another reason why people buy hummers? Do they consider them wise
>investments? Do they get them to impress the neighbors?
A guess they just grow on you.
Boron
SoCalMike
> Most people (including the ones mentioned above) come back to me year after
> year to do their taxes because I am pretty good at knowing and applying all
> the little deductions no one at H&R Block thinks about.
like what, just out of curiosity. i used a tax program last time, and it
seemed pretty thorough about asking me certain questions...
is there anything you know that might not show up in the program? little
tips and tricks, maybe, about charitable deductions?
Dilbert Firestorm
>>do you really like filling out those income tax form and pay a tax
>>prepare to do it for ya
>>
>>
>
>It's addition and subtraction. Not that big of a deal, and not something that
>90% of the people would need to pay some
>
>
>
>>drop it to your nearest friendly postal
>>officer
>>
>>
>
>You know the mail man will come to your house to pick up your mail? It's just
>a walk to the mailbox.
>
>
yahbut, I"m refering to procrastinators who do things at the last minute
and there apparently are alot of them out there when it comes to income
tax filing.
>
>
>>I'm sure you do know that CONSUMERS are doubled taxed at the cash
>>register
>>
>>
>
>Well yeah, it's not easy to get someone who isn't a consumer anywhere near cash
>resisters. They're a sneaky bunch
>
>
>
>>!!!!!!
>>??????
>>
>>
>
>You get a little carried away with punctuation, don't you think?
>
well, what can I say? I'm punctua-holic! :)
SoCalMike
> I don't have an accountant anymore, though. My taxes have gotten
> progressively less and less complicated over the last two years, and
> this year they'll be downright simple. The hardest part is finding all
> of the Salvation Army receipts.
just bring an item or 2 each time, and ask for a blank one. no prob :)
Dilbert Firestorm
>Previously, and snipped:
>
>Someone:
>
>
>>>>As a side point - how many of the Hollywood (D) folk that threatened
>>>>to leave last time actually kept their word and left?
>>>>
>>>>
>
>Huey:
>
>
>>I thought it was Richard Gere that was threatening to go. Which is a
>>bummer. Maybe we could have gotten a case of good cheese or a gamelan
>>ensemble or something for him...
>>
>>
>
>I think it was Whatsisname, who was married to Kim Basinger....not one of those
>Garcias, but that other family, you know the one.
>
baldwin
Kim
> Kim wrote:
>> Most people (including the ones mentioned above) come back to me
>> year after year to do their taxes because I am pretty good at
>> knowing and applying all the little deductions no one at H&R Block
>> thinks about.
>
> like what, just out of curiosity. i used a tax program last time, and
> it seemed pretty thorough about asking me certain questions...
That's a good bet. You'll do a lot better with a tax program than going to
H&R Block. They get paid by the number of returns they crank out, so sitting
down with you and being thorough isn't really in their best interests.
>
> is there anything you know that might not show up in the program?
> little tips and tricks, maybe, about charitable deductions?
Well, charitable deductions are pretty straightforward, but.....
Tips on Charitable Deductions - by Kim.
1. You can only claim deductions that were actually made in the calendar
year you are filing for - if you make a pledge to Jerry Lewis in September,
but don't send the check until January, you can't claim the deduction until
next year. Thihs doesn't apply if you pay by credit card in December and
don't actually get the bill until January.
2. If you donate stocks or bonds, get the valuation done on the date that
you donate the stock. The valuation is the average price of the highest and
lowest selling price on that date.
3. You can't always use Blue Book guides for car donations - the actual
amount you can deduct is "fair market value", which may be substantially
lower than Kelley guides for the car.
4. Any single gift of $200 or more must have an accompanying letter from the
charity acknowledging the gift. $5,000 or more requires a written appraisal.
Remember, too, that if you give $20 a week to your church, you do not have
to have the "accompanying letter" because your total gift of $20 X 52 weeks
totals more than $200. You can treat each weekly donation as a seperate
gift.
5. If you buy an item at a charity auction and pay more than fair market
value for that item, you can deduct the difference.
6. Although you can't deduct your personal time or services (for instance,
setting up a computer system for a charity), you can deduct the mileage and
gas it cost you to get to their offices - and the cost of meals, lodging,
parking and tolls.