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Carl Fink  
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From: ca...@panix.com (Carl Fink)
Date: 1999/06/13
Subject: Air conditioners: why leave off for three minutes?
Most window air conditioners have a little sticker next to the
controls:  "Do not turn on until this unit has been off for three
minutes."

Why not?  What happens if you turn it off, then on again one minute
later?
--
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From: Bear <no.s...@my.box>
Date: 1999/06/13
Subject: Re: Air conditioners: why leave off for three minutes?

Carl Fink wrote:

> Most window air conditioners have a little sticker next to the
> controls:  "Do not turn on until this unit has been off for three
> minutes."

> Why not?  What happens if you turn it off, then on again one minute
> later?

It'll suck one of those "Do Not Remove!" tags off your mattress, and
you'll be arrested.

--
Bear


 
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From: deepstblu <deepst...@sprynet.com>
Date: 1999/06/13
Subject: Re: Air conditioners: why leave off for three minutes?
Carl Fink wrote:

> Most window air conditioners have a little sticker next to the
> controls:  "Do not turn on until this unit has been off for three
> minutes."

> Why not?  What happens if you turn it off, then on again one minute
> later?

You have to go downstairs and reset the circuit breaker you just
tripped. I did this when I was about twelve; an incorrectly sized
replacement filter was sticking up and covering the warning.

 
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From: Chris Garvin <gar...@n2.net>
Date: 1999/06/13
Subject: Re: Air conditioners: why leave off for three minutes?
The motors are usually pretty beefy, and draw a lot of starting current. You can
burn them up with rapid repetitive starts.
C.

 
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From: "John Gilmer" <gil...@crosslink.net>
Date: 1999/06/13
Subject: Re: Air conditioners: why leave off for three minutes?

Carl Fink <ca...@panix.com> wrote in message

news:7k0g99$nb$3@cjf-hq.dialup.access.net...

> Most window air conditioners have a little sticker next to the
> controls:  "Do not turn on until this unit has been off for three
> minutes."

> Why not?  What happens if you turn it off, then on again one minute
> later?

The air conditioner compressor motor may not be able to start when the "high
side" is near or at operating pressure.   When the machine is off, the high
side liquid passes thru a small tube into the "low side".   When the "high
side" and "low side" have the same pressure, the compressor can start
without any load.

If you try to start with a load, the machine may still start with a grunt.
If it can't start it will quickly overheat and the motor's internal thermal
protection will trip.   The machine will turn off the power to the
compressor motor and will not turn the power on again until the motor has
cooled.

JLG


 
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Carl Fink  
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From: ca...@panix.com (Carl Fink)
Date: 1999/06/13
Subject: Re: Air conditioners: why leave off for three minutes?
Thanks to all for the explanation.
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Carl Fink               ca...@dm.net
"This fool wishes to reverse the entire science of astronomy."
        -Martin Luther on Copernicus' theory that the Earth orbits the sun

 
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From: kgen...@aol.com (KGename)
Date: 1999/06/14
Subject: Re: Air conditioners: why leave off for three minutes?
Quoth Carl:
>Most window air conditioners have a little sticker next to the
>controls:  "Do not turn on until this unit has been off for three
>minutes."

>Why not?  What happens if you turn it off, then on again one minute
>later?

******
You're supposed to give the AC's refrigerant system a few minutes to equalize.
Y'see, the refrigerant (let's just say "Freon", o-tay?), in a gaseous state, is
compressed by the, uh, compressor. It travels to the condenser (located at the
OUTSIDE end of the AC) where the gas is cooled (subcooled, more like it),
forced thru an itty-bitty capillary tube, and goes on to even more adventures.
But, you didn't ask for the rundown on how the AC *works*, just WHY you should
give it that 3 minutes.And here it is:
In an AC that has been off for more than 3 minutes, the pressure of the Freon
at any one point in the closed refrigeration system is equal to the pressure at
any other point. "Equalized", in other terms. To start up the AC's compressor
at this state of equalization is nice'n'easy on the comp's motor.
However, after the unit has been running awhile, there is the differential in
pressure that I spoke of. If you try to turn the AC "on", the compressor's
motor cannot begin to turn before it draws so much "locked rotor" current
(amps) that your circuit breaker trips. Keep this up, and the compressor will
burn out.
In most AC's, there is a device known as a "thermal overload" that senses the
extra current being drawn by the compressor. The TO, being a bimetal switch,
heats up, and disconnects the compressor from the line. The bimetal cools down
after a few minutes, pops back into place, reconnecting the line. The
compressor tries to turn on, and it either indeed does turn on, or if the
pressures haven't yet equalized, the TO will kick out, only to reset in another
few minutes. You can demonstrate this for yourself by:
a) Run your AC for about 5 minutes
b) Turn the THERMOSTAT control down until you hear the comp stop running (just
the blower fan will be going now)
c) Wait 3 seconds, then turn the THERMOSTAT control up to whatever setting it
was at before.
You will hear the compressor groaning as it tries to overcome the unequal
pressures, then it will stop groaning as the TO kicks out.
After a few minutes, the TO will reset, and the comp will try again.
  The TO, which costs the AC manufacturer about 95 cents, isn't designed into
all ACs (I wonder why not?). But a lot of Mfg's mold the words "Wait 3 minutes"
 onto the units that actually HAVE a TO. Here it saves the cost of having to
mold the line on some plastic grilles, but not on others.

regards,
Keith (And the warrantee is VOIDED if you fail to keep the AC free of
NEMATODES, too) G

<This sentence is a palindrome emordnilap a si ecnetnes siht>


 
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Alan Hamilton  
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From: al...@primenet.com (Alan Hamilton)
Date: 1999/06/14
Subject: Re: Air conditioners: why leave off for three minutes?
On 13 Jun 1999 14:47:05 GMT, ca...@panix.com (Carl Fink) wrote:

>Most window air conditioners have a little sticker next to the
>controls:  "Do not turn on until this unit has been off for three
>minutes."

>Why not?  What happens if you turn it off, then on again one minute
>later?

The motor will stall, and maybe blow a circuit breaker.

When running, it builds up a lot of pressure on the high-pressure side
of the refrigeration system.  When restarting right away, the motor
has to start against that pressure.  If you wait first, the pressure
equalizes in the system (the hissing you hear after shutting it off).
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Ludwig  
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From: lud....@REMOVEerols.com (Ludwig)
Date: 1999/06/14
Subject: Re: Air conditioners: why leave off for three minutes?
In article <19990613232652.24787.00001...@ng-cc1.aol.com>, kgen...@aol.com

(KGename) wrote:

[...]

> regards,
> Keith (And the warrantee is VOIDED if you fail to keep the AC free of
> NEMATODES, too) G

???
I'm sure there's an obvious bit of humor regarding parasitic roundworms
and air conditioning, but I'm missing it...

 
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Discussion subject changed to "Do not remove this tag, was: Air conditioners" by Rich Clancey
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From: r...@world.std.com (Rich Clancey)
Date: 1999/06/18
Subject: Do not remove this tag, was: Air conditioners
        I used to work in a furniture store, and we had a stack of
those hateful "Do not remove this tag" tags.  Unfortunately the Mean
Old Man who stumbled out of a Dickens novel to run this place
expressly for the purpose of making me miserable was not the sort of
person who welcomed idle inquiries, so I was forced to remain ignorant
forever.  But it looked like we were supposed to be installing the
tags ourselves.  It just never made sense...

 
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From: ca...@panix.com (Carl Fink)
Date: 1999/06/18
Subject: Re: Do not remove this tag, was: Air conditioners
On Sat, 19 Jun 1999 02:51:15 GMT Gina Marie Wade

<gmw...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>The vital data generally being something on the order of what the damn
>thing's made of, so that unscrupulous types can't (theoretically) pass
>off ottomans stuffed with pustulent bandages as wholesome furniture
>stuffed with fresh cotton.

It's important to my father, who is allergit to kapok.
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        -Martin Luther on Copernicus' theory that the Earth orbits the sun

 
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From: gmw...@worldnet.att.net (Gina Marie Wade)
Date: 1999/06/19
Subject: Re: Do not remove this tag, was: Air conditioners
On 18 Jun 1999 18:27:18 GMT, cotesd...@iname.com (Dave Cotes) wrote:

>Rich Clancey r...@world.std.com wrote:

>> But it looked like we were supposed to be installing the
>>tags ourselves.  It just never made sense...

>You install the tag so the consumer can read some vital data about that
>lazy-boy they're thinking about purchasing.

>Sort of the furniture equivalent of the nutritional label on food.  I may
>read it in the store, but once home I don't look at it.

>--
>DC

The vital data generally being something on the order of what the damn
thing's made of, so that unscrupulous types can't (theoretically) pass
off ottomans stuffed with pustulent bandages as wholesome furniture
stuffed with fresh cotton.

Gina Marie


 
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From: mlor...@lobo.civetsystems.com
Date: 1999/06/19
Subject: Re: Do not remove this tag, was: Air conditioners

ca...@panix.com (Carl Fink) writes:
> On Sat, 19 Jun 1999 02:51:15 GMT Gina Marie Wade
> <gmw...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> >The vital data generally being something on the order of what the damn
> >thing's made of, so that unscrupulous types can't (theoretically) pass
> >off ottomans stuffed with pustulent bandages as wholesome furniture
> >stuffed with fresh cotton.

> It's important to my father, who is allergit to kapok.

Is that a problem?  Does anyone use kapok any more?  

I seem to remember someone on this n.g. saying it grows wild in the
midwest.  Since I have no idea what a kapok tree even looks like...

M.


 
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Date: 1999/06/19
Subject: Re: Do not remove this tag, was: Air conditioners
On 18 Jun 1999 12:25:23 GMT, ca...@panix.com (Carl Fink) wrote:

>On Sat, 19 Jun 1999 02:51:15 GMT Gina Marie Wade
><gmw...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>>The vital data generally being something on the order of what the damn
>>thing's made of, so that unscrupulous types can't (theoretically) pass
>>off ottomans stuffed with pustulent bandages as wholesome furniture
>>stuffed with fresh cotton.

>It's important to my father, who is allergit to kapok.
>--

That, too.
That's probably more important than my flippant reason.

Gina Marie


 
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