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John Mc.
May 12, 2013, 9:46:36 PM5/12/13
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Warning: Driving Rant
Whilst driving home from work Friday "I" was the subject of asphalt
animosity (road rage). I know it's hard to believe. I purposely take a
side road down to the main state road I use to leave town. This is
because I've found that when the stoplight changes for me IF I
accelerate with a purpose out of the light I can now make all the
stoplights leaving town until I reach the mega-church complex on the
edge of town. (The light there has a sensor to allow their flock to
leave.) Anyway, I'm not exceeding the speed limit just "accelerating
with a purpose" up to it. So I've now made it through six lights and am
coming up on the interstate exchange. I'm in the right lane and there
are three lanes to my left- two for a left turn onto the interstate ramp
and another straight lane. The other straight lane is moving at a
snail's space and as I approach the "constipation in the roadway" a
woman in a gray van blithely hits her signal, whips into my lane and
cuts me off. So it's slam on my brakes and slow nearly to a stop because
she's apparently forgotten how to accelerate. Upshot is we're caught at
the light. And the next light. When one clears the second light another
lane appears on the right; first as a lane for interstate traffic to
merge onto the state road and then as a turn lane for a shopping
complex. There's a DQ in the complex and I've decided to stop at the
local Dairy Queen for a "cold one." So I pulled into the right lane as
soon as I could. I also wanted to get away from the woman in the van.
Now as I come up past her on the right she hits her signal wanting to
pull into my lane. To which I said: "No way, you can pull behind me" and
kept going at the same speed. She attempts to speed up and pull in front
but there's insufficient room before the turn into the shopping complex.
So does she brake and pull behind me? No, she keeps going straight and I
see her pull in at another entrance down the road. No matter, I'm going
to get a Blizzard. As I'm waiting in the drive-through, the same woman
in the van pulls along side, rolls down her window and begins hurling
invectives at me, most of them involving the "f "word. Then she tosses a
soft drink cup at my windshield and speeds off.
I was in shock. First of all, she had to hunt through the shopping
complex for me as the DQ is between other restaurants and buildings.
Second, all she had to do was take her foot off the gas and pull behind
me. I didn't speed up to block her. I just wouldn't brake to let her in
front. I've seen this same behavior all the time. Someone pulls up to a
stop. You're the only person on the road but instead of waiting until
you pass they pull out short in front of you. And then go below the
speed limit and make a left turn. Or similar to my situation, someone in
one lane wants in another. Do they brake and pull behind the line of
cars in the other lane? No, they speed up and attempt to pass them all.
If you're always in that big a hurry, try leaving earlier.
John Mc.
Whilst driving home from work Friday "I" was the subject of asphalt
animosity (road rage). I know it's hard to believe. I purposely take a
side road down to the main state road I use to leave town. This is
because I've found that when the stoplight changes for me IF I
accelerate with a purpose out of the light I can now make all the
stoplights leaving town until I reach the mega-church complex on the
edge of town. (The light there has a sensor to allow their flock to
leave.) Anyway, I'm not exceeding the speed limit just "accelerating
with a purpose" up to it. So I've now made it through six lights and am
coming up on the interstate exchange. I'm in the right lane and there
are three lanes to my left- two for a left turn onto the interstate ramp
and another straight lane. The other straight lane is moving at a
snail's space and as I approach the "constipation in the roadway" a
woman in a gray van blithely hits her signal, whips into my lane and
cuts me off. So it's slam on my brakes and slow nearly to a stop because
she's apparently forgotten how to accelerate. Upshot is we're caught at
the light. And the next light. When one clears the second light another
lane appears on the right; first as a lane for interstate traffic to
merge onto the state road and then as a turn lane for a shopping
complex. There's a DQ in the complex and I've decided to stop at the
local Dairy Queen for a "cold one." So I pulled into the right lane as
soon as I could. I also wanted to get away from the woman in the van.
Now as I come up past her on the right she hits her signal wanting to
pull into my lane. To which I said: "No way, you can pull behind me" and
kept going at the same speed. She attempts to speed up and pull in front
but there's insufficient room before the turn into the shopping complex.
So does she brake and pull behind me? No, she keeps going straight and I
see her pull in at another entrance down the road. No matter, I'm going
to get a Blizzard. As I'm waiting in the drive-through, the same woman
in the van pulls along side, rolls down her window and begins hurling
invectives at me, most of them involving the "f "word. Then she tosses a
soft drink cup at my windshield and speeds off.
I was in shock. First of all, she had to hunt through the shopping
complex for me as the DQ is between other restaurants and buildings.
Second, all she had to do was take her foot off the gas and pull behind
me. I didn't speed up to block her. I just wouldn't brake to let her in
front. I've seen this same behavior all the time. Someone pulls up to a
stop. You're the only person on the road but instead of waiting until
you pass they pull out short in front of you. And then go below the
speed limit and make a left turn. Or similar to my situation, someone in
one lane wants in another. Do they brake and pull behind the line of
cars in the other lane? No, they speed up and attempt to pass them all.
If you're always in that big a hurry, try leaving earlier.
John Mc.
BillTurlock
May 12, 2013, 10:14:03 PM5/12/13
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On Sun, 12 May 2013 21:46:36 -0400, "John Mc." <jo...@tdcogre.com>
wrote:
Bro, I feel your pain!
Around here, Saturdays are especially bad. You have mostly people who
do no weekday driving, and have not the essential skills, attitude,
and ethos. They're amateurs, and it shows.
I quit smoking cigarettes in 1992, and coďncidentally, I started
noticing more and more terrible driving skills and habits. I used the
phrase, "A bone-head stunt per minute". As the years have passed, that
interval has lessened through a bone-head stunt every 30 seconds,
every fifteen seconds, every second, an lately, it seems, to multiple
bone-head stunts per second. It's a jungle out there!
wrote:
Around here, Saturdays are especially bad. You have mostly people who
do no weekday driving, and have not the essential skills, attitude,
and ethos. They're amateurs, and it shows.
I quit smoking cigarettes in 1992, and coďncidentally, I started
noticing more and more terrible driving skills and habits. I used the
phrase, "A bone-head stunt per minute". As the years have passed, that
interval has lessened through a bone-head stunt every 30 seconds,
every fifteen seconds, every second, an lately, it seems, to multiple
bone-head stunts per second. It's a jungle out there!
Bob
May 12, 2013, 11:40:37 PM5/12/13
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ice milk, or whatever it is.
Tim Wright
May 12, 2013, 11:50:09 PM5/12/13
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--
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell
the color nine.
Tim W
John Mc.
May 13, 2013, 6:16:15 AM5/13/13
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Igloo which is located behind the same shopping complex. There one can
get an old-fashioned banana split made correctly (except for the banana
boat) and to order. ( I like the pineapple sauce on the chocolate ice
cream.) Plus in the summer they sell Chicago dogs-all beef with all the
fixin's. But it's a pleasure to be enjoyed at your leisure so that's
usually a Saturday lunch stop.
John Mc.
Rick B.
May 13, 2013, 6:41:25 AM5/13/13
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BillTurlock wrote in news:khi0p81jgm0je5h23...@4ax.com:
> I quit smoking cigarettes in 1992, and co杵cidentally, I started
to make left turns getting in the right lane.
> I quit smoking cigarettes in 1992, and co杵cidentally, I started
> noticing more and more terrible driving skills and habits. I used the
> phrase, "A bone-head stunt per minute". As the years have passed, that
> interval has lessened through a bone-head stunt every 30 seconds,
> every fifteen seconds, every second, an lately, it seems, to multiple
> bone-head stunts per second. It's a jungle out there!
In Central and South Jersey the current epidemic seems to be people who want
> phrase, "A bone-head stunt per minute". As the years have passed, that
> interval has lessened through a bone-head stunt every 30 seconds,
> every fifteen seconds, every second, an lately, it seems, to multiple
> bone-head stunts per second. It's a jungle out there!
to make left turns getting in the right lane.
Greg Goss
May 13, 2013, 11:04:28 AM5/13/13
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BillTurlock wrote:
>Around here, Saturdays are especially bad. You have mostly people who
>do no weekday driving, and have not the essential skills, attitude,
>and ethos. They're amateurs, and it shows.
Back in 84, I was living in a small city (seven stoplights total). My
>Around here, Saturdays are especially bad. You have mostly people who
>do no weekday driving, and have not the essential skills, attitude,
>and ethos. They're amateurs, and it shows.
brother and I took a vacation to Ontario, arriving after an overnight
flight at Toronto International Airport at 7 AM. This put us and our
rental car onto 401 heading towards downtown just before 8.
401 runs pretty smoothly, but it's an intricate dance. I felt like
someone who'd been tossed into an advanced ballroom dance
demonstration without anyone showing me the steps
A couple of decades later, I lived in TO and driving the 401 was no
big deal. But it takes practice.
--
We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.
M C Hamster
May 13, 2013, 11:13:17 AM5/13/13
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On Mon, 13 May 2013 06:16:15 -0400, "John Mc." <jo...@tdcogre.com>
wrote:
Did you give her the finger when she cut you off the first time? I
find when I do that that that doesn't have a particularly good effect,
and I regret it every time. But I can't just let assholish driving
behavior like you described go without some sort of comment.
Some people just seem to react negatively when I give them the finger,
and I never know why.
Rahm and I talked about this, Saturday night.
>> And the worst of it is, they have only one flavor of ice cream. Or
>> ice milk, or whatever it is.
>>
>
>True, though if I want real ice cream instead of a quick fix I go to the
>Igloo which is located behind the same shopping complex. There one can
>get an old-fashioned banana split made correctly (except for the banana
>boat) and to order. ( I like the pineapple sauce on the chocolate ice
>cream.) Plus in the summer they sell Chicago dogs-all beef with all the
>fixin's. But it's a pleasure to be enjoyed at your leisure so that's
>usually a Saturday lunch stop.
>
On Saturday my wife treated herself to a pre-Mother's Day DQ. She was
amazed that after all these decades, they still haven't figured out
how to make it taste like anything. It's white, and has a wonderful
texture, but is devoid of any taste whatsoever.
It's like a sno-cone without any flavoring, but with a nice smoothy
texture.
--
"Big Wheel Keep on Turnin'" -- Creedence Clearwater Revival
wrote:
find when I do that that that doesn't have a particularly good effect,
and I regret it every time. But I can't just let assholish driving
behavior like you described go without some sort of comment.
Some people just seem to react negatively when I give them the finger,
and I never know why.
Rahm and I talked about this, Saturday night.
>> And the worst of it is, they have only one flavor of ice cream. Or
>> ice milk, or whatever it is.
>>
>
>True, though if I want real ice cream instead of a quick fix I go to the
>Igloo which is located behind the same shopping complex. There one can
>get an old-fashioned banana split made correctly (except for the banana
>boat) and to order. ( I like the pineapple sauce on the chocolate ice
>cream.) Plus in the summer they sell Chicago dogs-all beef with all the
>fixin's. But it's a pleasure to be enjoyed at your leisure so that's
>usually a Saturday lunch stop.
>
amazed that after all these decades, they still haven't figured out
how to make it taste like anything. It's white, and has a wonderful
texture, but is devoid of any taste whatsoever.
It's like a sno-cone without any flavoring, but with a nice smoothy
texture.
--
"Big Wheel Keep on Turnin'" -- Creedence Clearwater Revival
BillTurlock
May 13, 2013, 11:19:01 AM5/13/13
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On Mon, 13 May 2013 09:04:28 -0600, Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
>
>401 runs pretty smoothly, but it's an intricate dance. I felt like
>someone who'd been tossed into an advanced ballroom dance
>demonstration without anyone showing me the steps
>
>A couple of decades later, I lived in TO and driving the 401 was no
>big deal. But it takes practice.
Maybe, but the "zipper" merge analogy works pretty well.
>
>401 runs pretty smoothly, but it's an intricate dance. I felt like
>someone who'd been tossed into an advanced ballroom dance
>demonstration without anyone showing me the steps
>
>A couple of decades later, I lived in TO and driving the 401 was no
>big deal. But it takes practice.
BillTurlock
May 13, 2013, 11:23:38 AM5/13/13
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On Mon, 13 May 2013 10:13:17 -0500, M C Hamster
<davo...@nospam-speakeasy.net> wrote:
>
>On Saturday my wife treated herself to a pre-Mother's Day DQ. She was
>amazed that after all these decades, they still haven't figured out
>how to make it taste like anything. It's white, and has a wonderful
>texture, but is devoid of any taste whatsoever.
Hadn't noticed that, been a long time. But I had a pizza at Mountain
<davo...@nospam-speakeasy.net> wrote:
>
>On Saturday my wife treated herself to a pre-Mother's Day DQ. She was
>amazed that after all these decades, they still haven't figured out
>how to make it taste like anything. It's white, and has a wonderful
>texture, but is devoid of any taste whatsoever.
Mike's a few years ago, and _every_ ingredient was devoid of flavor.
It was pretty and everything seemed to be fresh. It tasted of nothing
whatsoever. I thought my tongue had died and left me bereft.
Howard Hail
May 13, 2013, 12:05:50 PM5/13/13
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"John Mc." <jo...@tdcogre.com> wrote in news:kmpgf2$5k7$1...@dont-email.me:
> Warning: Driving Rant
cutcutcutcutcutcutcutcutcut
I've experienced both the people who peel out turn into the single lane and
then slow way down, and the people who try like crazy to pass on the right
to get to a single open slot rather than merge into a ton of space slightly
farther back, far more of the first type than the second.
My totally unsupported theory is that it's a variation on the psychological
phenomenon illustrated by the bouncing ball and man in a gorilla suit
experiment, where people get so fixated on a single spot that they lose all
other perspective.
Either that or they're idiots and jerks, but if there's nothing good on the
radio I prefer to speculate a little more beyond those two points about
what makes them behave that way.
> Warning: Driving Rant
cutcutcutcutcutcutcutcutcut
I've experienced both the people who peel out turn into the single lane and
then slow way down, and the people who try like crazy to pass on the right
to get to a single open slot rather than merge into a ton of space slightly
farther back, far more of the first type than the second.
My totally unsupported theory is that it's a variation on the psychological
phenomenon illustrated by the bouncing ball and man in a gorilla suit
experiment, where people get so fixated on a single spot that they lose all
other perspective.
Either that or they're idiots and jerks, but if there's nothing good on the
radio I prefer to speculate a little more beyond those two points about
what makes them behave that way.
Howard Hail
May 13, 2013, 12:07:13 PM5/13/13
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M C Hamster <davo...@nospam-speakeasy.net> wrote in
> Some people just seem to react negatively when I give them the finger,
> and I never know why.
>
> Rahm and I talked about this, Saturday night.
I thought he stopped doing that after someone didn't give it back.
> Some people just seem to react negatively when I give them the finger,
> and I never know why.
>
> Rahm and I talked about this, Saturday night.
bill van
May 13, 2013, 2:34:47 PM5/13/13
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In article <avcdnq...@mid.individual.net>,
Wikipedia says the 401 tops out at 18 lanes near the Toronto airport,
and it is the busiest highway in North America.
Sue and I moved to Toronto from Calgary in 1976, carrying most of our
possessions, including one cat, in a yellow VW Beetle. It was right
around Halloween and there had been practically no traffic on the
Trans-Canada Highway during the endless drive across northern Ontario.
Our directions to a friend's place included a stretch on the 401, and
the timing was such that around 4:30 p.m. on a Friday - the peak of the
week's busiest rush hour - we suddenly found ourselves in the middle of
about 16 lanes of traffic, including what seemed like hundreds of semis,
nearly bumper to bumper but moving at highway speeds. It was terrifying.
I thought we were going to die. It was an incredible relief when we
found our exit and got onto an ordinary street.
I learned to drive quite comfortably on Toronto's expressways during the
five years we lived there, but I'll never forget the sheer terror of
that first look at the 401.
bill
and it is the busiest highway in North America.
Sue and I moved to Toronto from Calgary in 1976, carrying most of our
possessions, including one cat, in a yellow VW Beetle. It was right
around Halloween and there had been practically no traffic on the
Trans-Canada Highway during the endless drive across northern Ontario.
Our directions to a friend's place included a stretch on the 401, and
the timing was such that around 4:30 p.m. on a Friday - the peak of the
week's busiest rush hour - we suddenly found ourselves in the middle of
about 16 lanes of traffic, including what seemed like hundreds of semis,
nearly bumper to bumper but moving at highway speeds. It was terrifying.
I thought we were going to die. It was an incredible relief when we
found our exit and got onto an ordinary street.
I learned to drive quite comfortably on Toronto's expressways during the
five years we lived there, but I'll never forget the sheer terror of
that first look at the 401.
bill
S. Checker
May 13, 2013, 3:11:22 PM5/13/13
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>> I quit smoking cigarettes in 1992, and co?ncidentally, I started
--
If someone asks for a cite of John Ashcroft's antlike mandibles
squeezing the thorax of an American, then by gosh the given cite should
include John Ashcroft and mandibles,
-- Groo, in afc-a
>> noticing more and more terrible driving skills and habits. I used the
>> phrase, "A bone-head stunt per minute". As the years have passed, that
>> interval has lessened through a bone-head stunt every 30 seconds,
>> every fifteen seconds, every second, an lately, it seems, to multiple
>> bone-head stunts per second. It's a jungle out there!
>
> In Central and South Jersey the current epidemic seems to be people who want
> to make left turns getting in the right lane.
They're expecting jug handles.
>> phrase, "A bone-head stunt per minute". As the years have passed, that
>> interval has lessened through a bone-head stunt every 30 seconds,
>> every fifteen seconds, every second, an lately, it seems, to multiple
>> bone-head stunts per second. It's a jungle out there!
>
> In Central and South Jersey the current epidemic seems to be people who want
> to make left turns getting in the right lane.
--
If someone asks for a cite of John Ashcroft's antlike mandibles
squeezing the thorax of an American, then by gosh the given cite should
include John Ashcroft and mandibles,
-- Groo, in afc-a
John Mc.
May 13, 2013, 4:09:17 PM5/13/13
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peril. I did mutter a few less than polite words when she cut me off.
But when she had her tirade at the DQ i was too flabbergasted to react.
Maybe she can read lips?
>
> Some people just seem to react negatively when I give them the finger,
> and I never know why.
>
> Rahm and I talked about this, Saturday night.
>
>>> And the worst of it is, they have only one flavor of ice cream. Or
>>> ice milk, or whatever it is.
>>>
>>
>> True, though if I want real ice cream instead of a quick fix I go to the
>> Igloo which is located behind the same shopping complex. There one can
>> get an old-fashioned banana split made correctly (except for the banana
>> boat) and to order. ( I like the pineapple sauce on the chocolate ice
>> cream.) Plus in the summer they sell Chicago dogs-all beef with all the
>> fixin's. But it's a pleasure to be enjoyed at your leisure so that's
>> usually a Saturday lunch stop.
>>
>
> On Saturday my wife treated herself to a pre-Mother's Day DQ. She was
> amazed that after all these decades, they still haven't figured out
> how to make it taste like anything. It's white, and has a wonderful
> texture, but is devoid of any taste whatsoever.
>
> It's like a sno-cone without any flavoring, but with a nice smoothy
> texture.
>
of their various flavored concoctions are quite tasty.
John Mc.
John Mc.
May 13, 2013, 4:22:09 PM5/13/13
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Doesn't matter whether we're talking on the road or in line at the
grocery store or movie theater. " I have to be first."
The local grocery store we frequent has a set of self check-out lanes.
There are four of them grouped 2 x 2. Shoppers will line up between the
to sets of check-outs and then when a unit opens move over to it.
Saturday that was the situation. There were about 5 of us in line at the
self checks. Up came this fellow and his wife and they lined up behind
the ones on the right. And now I'm the only one who'll tell them the
error of their ways. The other folk were sheeple and just stood there.
Then the fellow starts to argue about whether we were in line at all.
The store manager finally asked him to move to the end of the line which
had grown while he debated with me. Served him right. I really think he
knew what he was doing and simply didn't want to wait in line.
Once again, start earlier.
John Mc.
Xho Jingleheimerschmidt
May 13, 2013, 8:32:18 PM5/13/13
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On 05/12/2013 07:14 PM, BillTurlock wrote:
> On Sun, 12 May 2013 21:46:36 -0400, "John Mc." <jo...@tdcogre.com>
> wrote:
>
>> So does she brake and pull behind me? No, she keeps going straight and I
>> see her pull in at another entrance down the road. No matter, I'm going
>> to get a Blizzard. As I'm waiting in the drive-through, the same woman
>> in the van pulls along side, rolls down her window and begins hurling
>> invectives at me, most of them involving the "f "word. Then she tosses a
>> soft drink cup at my windshield and speeds off.
You should have pulled out your pistol and shot her through the eyeball.
> On Sun, 12 May 2013 21:46:36 -0400, "John Mc." <jo...@tdcogre.com>
> wrote:
>
>> So does she brake and pull behind me? No, she keeps going straight and I
>> see her pull in at another entrance down the road. No matter, I'm going
>> to get a Blizzard. As I'm waiting in the drive-through, the same woman
>> in the van pulls along side, rolls down her window and begins hurling
>> invectives at me, most of them involving the "f "word. Then she tosses a
>> soft drink cup at my windshield and speeds off.
...
>
> Around here, Saturdays are especially bad. You have mostly people who
> do no weekday driving, and have not the essential skills, attitude,
> and ethos. They're amateurs, and it shows.
are unfamiliar with the territory. If you are a newbie that is one
thing. If you are a thoughtless asshole who can't be bothered to get
into the lane you know you need to be in ahead of time, that is quite
another.
Xho
Xho Jingleheimerschmidt
May 13, 2013, 10:11:40 PM5/13/13
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On 05/13/2013 12:11 PM, S. Checker wrote:
> Rick B. <deep...@sprynet.com.aq> wrote:
>> BillTurlock wrote in news:khi0p81jgm0je5h23...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> I quit smoking cigarettes in 1992, and co?ncidentally, I started
>>> noticing more and more terrible driving skills and habits. I used the
>>> phrase, "A bone-head stunt per minute". As the years have passed, that
>>> interval has lessened through a bone-head stunt every 30 seconds,
>>> every fifteen seconds, every second, an lately, it seems, to multiple
>>> bone-head stunts per second. It's a jungle out there!
>>
>> In Central and South Jersey the current epidemic seems to be people who want
>> to make left turns getting in the right lane.
>
> They're expecting jug handles.
>
Can you point me to the epidemic of people who are expecting jug
> Rick B. <deep...@sprynet.com.aq> wrote:
>> BillTurlock wrote in news:khi0p81jgm0je5h23...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> I quit smoking cigarettes in 1992, and co?ncidentally, I started
>>> noticing more and more terrible driving skills and habits. I used the
>>> phrase, "A bone-head stunt per minute". As the years have passed, that
>>> interval has lessened through a bone-head stunt every 30 seconds,
>>> every fifteen seconds, every second, an lately, it seems, to multiple
>>> bone-head stunts per second. It's a jungle out there!
>>
>> In Central and South Jersey the current epidemic seems to be people who want
>> to make left turns getting in the right lane.
>
> They're expecting jug handles.
>
handles? I assure you, I will not disappoint.
Xo
Greg Goss
May 13, 2013, 11:22:56 PM5/13/13
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bill van <bil...@delete.shaw.ca> wrote:
take them out about 2:30 or 3 PM (when formal rush hour hasn't
started, and the entire contents of the highway was nothing but semis
trying to get across the city before the commuters get onto the
roadways.
My Metro is close enough to the ground that you can easily see below
the trailer next to you and see the trailer beyond it and the other
truch beyond that.
The back alley behind our apartment complex only had 14 lanes. Like
the 401, it used a central core freeway and an access freeway, though
the 427 didn't have the sweeping three-lane access ramps and bridges
that the 401 uses to link the inner and outer freeways.
http://goo.gl/NGlQi (My back alley in Toronto)
The spaghetti where the 427 crosses the 401 (with Eglinton launching
from the middle of the it) is almost worthy of some of the LA messes,
even though the 401 is only a pale shadow of what it becomes further
east. http://goo.gl/maps/d7QDC
Inner/outer interchange on the 401 near the 400.
http://goo.gl/maps/E9vtV
I don't even remember Allen Road, but it manages to rate direct on and
off ramps from the inner freeway as well as the outer one.
http://goo.gl/maps/pWWh4
> Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
>> 401 runs pretty smoothly, but it's an intricate dance. I felt like
>> someone who'd been tossed into an advanced ballroom dance
>> demonstration without anyone showing me the steps
>>
>> A couple of decades later, I lived in TO and driving the 401 was no
>> big deal. But it takes practice.
>
>Wikipedia says the 401 tops out at 18 lanes near the Toronto airport,
>and it is the busiest highway in North America.
>
>Sue and I moved to Toronto from Calgary in 1976, carrying most of our
>possessions, including one cat, in a yellow VW Beetle. It was right
>around Halloween and there had been practically no traffic on the
>Trans-Canada Highway during the endless drive across northern Ontario.
>
>Our directions to a friend's place included a stretch on the 401, and
>the timing was such that around 4:30 p.m. on a Friday - the peak of the
>week's busiest rush hour - we suddenly found ourselves in the middle of
>about 16 lanes of traffic, including what seemed like hundreds of semis,
>nearly bumper to bumper but moving at highway speeds. It was terrifying.
>I thought we were going to die. It was an incredible relief when we
>found our exit and got onto an ordinary street.
>
>I learned to drive quite comfortably on Toronto's expressways during the
>five years we lived there, but I'll never forget the sheer terror of
>that first look at the 401.
One of my standard things to do with house guests visiting TO was to
>> 401 runs pretty smoothly, but it's an intricate dance. I felt like
>> someone who'd been tossed into an advanced ballroom dance
>> demonstration without anyone showing me the steps
>>
>> A couple of decades later, I lived in TO and driving the 401 was no
>> big deal. But it takes practice.
>
>Wikipedia says the 401 tops out at 18 lanes near the Toronto airport,
>and it is the busiest highway in North America.
>
>Sue and I moved to Toronto from Calgary in 1976, carrying most of our
>possessions, including one cat, in a yellow VW Beetle. It was right
>around Halloween and there had been practically no traffic on the
>Trans-Canada Highway during the endless drive across northern Ontario.
>
>Our directions to a friend's place included a stretch on the 401, and
>the timing was such that around 4:30 p.m. on a Friday - the peak of the
>week's busiest rush hour - we suddenly found ourselves in the middle of
>about 16 lanes of traffic, including what seemed like hundreds of semis,
>nearly bumper to bumper but moving at highway speeds. It was terrifying.
>I thought we were going to die. It was an incredible relief when we
>found our exit and got onto an ordinary street.
>
>I learned to drive quite comfortably on Toronto's expressways during the
>five years we lived there, but I'll never forget the sheer terror of
>that first look at the 401.
take them out about 2:30 or 3 PM (when formal rush hour hasn't
started, and the entire contents of the highway was nothing but semis
trying to get across the city before the commuters get onto the
roadways.
My Metro is close enough to the ground that you can easily see below
the trailer next to you and see the trailer beyond it and the other
truch beyond that.
The back alley behind our apartment complex only had 14 lanes. Like
the 401, it used a central core freeway and an access freeway, though
the 427 didn't have the sweeping three-lane access ramps and bridges
that the 401 uses to link the inner and outer freeways.
http://goo.gl/NGlQi (My back alley in Toronto)
The spaghetti where the 427 crosses the 401 (with Eglinton launching
from the middle of the it) is almost worthy of some of the LA messes,
even though the 401 is only a pale shadow of what it becomes further
east. http://goo.gl/maps/d7QDC
Inner/outer interchange on the 401 near the 400.
http://goo.gl/maps/E9vtV
I don't even remember Allen Road, but it manages to rate direct on and
off ramps from the inner freeway as well as the outer one.
http://goo.gl/maps/pWWh4
BillTurlock
May 14, 2013, 1:35:58 AM5/14/13
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On Mon, 13 May 2013 16:22:09 -0400, "John Mc." <jo...@tdcogre.com>
wrote:
>
There should be an indication of "One Line" somewhere visible.
wrote:
>
>The local grocery store we frequent has a set of self check-out lanes.
>There are four of them grouped 2 x 2. Shoppers will line up between the
>to sets of check-outs and then when a unit opens move over to it.
>Saturday that was the situation. There were about 5 of us in line at the
>self checks. Up came this fellow and his wife and they lined up behind
>the ones on the right. And now I'm the only one who'll tell them the
>error of their ways. The other folk were sheeple and just stood there.
>Then the fellow starts to argue about whether we were in line at all.
>The store manager finally asked him to move to the end of the line which
>had grown while he debated with me. Served him right. I really think he
>knew what he was doing and simply didn't want to wait in line.
In that particular situation, management's partly/largely at fault.
>There are four of them grouped 2 x 2. Shoppers will line up between the
>to sets of check-outs and then when a unit opens move over to it.
>Saturday that was the situation. There were about 5 of us in line at the
>self checks. Up came this fellow and his wife and they lined up behind
>the ones on the right. And now I'm the only one who'll tell them the
>error of their ways. The other folk were sheeple and just stood there.
>Then the fellow starts to argue about whether we were in line at all.
>The store manager finally asked him to move to the end of the line which
>had grown while he debated with me. Served him right. I really think he
>knew what he was doing and simply didn't want to wait in line.
There should be an indication of "One Line" somewhere visible.
S. Checker
May 14, 2013, 9:13:52 AM5/14/13
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a) There is not enough pavement in New Jersey
b) Turning Left is Hard.
So now in many areas if you want to make a left turn off a multi-lane
road you are directed to the right side of the road, where there is a
curved lane that directs you onto the crossroad. You then proceed to
cross your original road and proceed in a lefterly direction from
there.
Here's a practical guide to Jug Handles and You:
http://awesomenj.com/2010/01/17/jug-handles-and-you-a-practical-guide/
--
The calendar of the Theocracy of Muntab counts down, not up. No-one
knows why, but it might not be a good idea to hang around and find out.
-- pterry
John Mc.
May 14, 2013, 6:32:41 PM5/14/13
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OTOH, When you walk up and see 5 other people in line like we were I'd
think some sort of bell would go off. Sort of like: "Maybe I should ask
if they're in line here??" There's clueless and there's deliberate.
John Mc.
S. Checker
May 15, 2013, 10:02:50 AM5/15/13
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with two registers. You'll often see two lines of 4-5 people, then at
the back someone standing midway between the two lines. So usually in
that situation I walk up and stand next to that person on one side or
the other, forcing them into whichever line I'm not in. Am I a jerk?
--
for they had a machine, a dream of a machine, with springs and gears and
perfect in every respect. And they lived with it, and on it, and under
it, and inside it, for it was all they had
-- Stanislaw Lem
Les Albert
May 15, 2013, 11:53:56 AM5/15/13
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On Wed, 15 May 2013 10:02:50 -0400, spa...@gmail.com (S. Checker)
wrote:
in stores, you are to be commended for forcing an orderly procession.
Les
wrote:
>John Mc. <jo...@tdcogre.com> wrote:
>> On 5/14/2013 1:35 AM, BillTurlock wrote:
>>> In that particular situation, management's partly/largely at fault.
>>> There should be an indication of "One Line" somewhere visible.
>> I'll go with partly. Some sort of signage would prevent honest mistakes.
>> OTOH, When you walk up and see 5 other people in line like we were I'd
>> think some sort of bell would go off. Sort of like: "Maybe I should ask
>> if they're in line here??" There's clueless and there's deliberate.
>There's a nearby store that usually has a line, they have a counter
>with two registers. You'll often see two lines of 4-5 people, then at
>the back someone standing midway between the two lines. So usually in
>that situation I walk up and stand next to that person on one side or
>the other, forcing them into whichever line I'm not in. Am I a jerk?
You may or may not be a jerk, but when it comes to cash-counter lines
>> On 5/14/2013 1:35 AM, BillTurlock wrote:
>>> In that particular situation, management's partly/largely at fault.
>>> There should be an indication of "One Line" somewhere visible.
>> I'll go with partly. Some sort of signage would prevent honest mistakes.
>> OTOH, When you walk up and see 5 other people in line like we were I'd
>> think some sort of bell would go off. Sort of like: "Maybe I should ask
>> if they're in line here??" There's clueless and there's deliberate.
>There's a nearby store that usually has a line, they have a counter
>with two registers. You'll often see two lines of 4-5 people, then at
>the back someone standing midway between the two lines. So usually in
>that situation I walk up and stand next to that person on one side or
>the other, forcing them into whichever line I'm not in. Am I a jerk?
in stores, you are to be commended for forcing an orderly procession.
Les
BillTurlock
May 15, 2013, 5:17:12 PM5/15/13
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>There's a nearby store that usually has a line, they have a counter
>with two registers. You'll often see two lines of 4-5 people, then at
>the back someone standing midway between the two lines. So usually in
>that situation I walk up and stand next to that person on one side or
>the other, forcing them into whichever line I'm not in. Am I a jerk?
No.
>with two registers. You'll often see two lines of 4-5 people, then at
>the back someone standing midway between the two lines. So usually in
>that situation I walk up and stand next to that person on one side or
>the other, forcing them into whichever line I'm not in. Am I a jerk?
Peter Boulding
May 15, 2013, 5:51:42 PM5/15/13
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On Wed, 15 May 2013 14:17:12 -0700, BillTurlock wrote in
<iqu7p81l5lqsb1dkv...@4ax.com>:
>>There's a nearby store that usually has a line, they have a counter
>>with two registers. You'll often see two lines of 4-5 people, then at
>>the back someone standing midway between the two lines. So usually in
>>that situation I walk up and stand next to that person on one side or
>>the other, forcing them into whichever line I'm not in. Am I a jerk?
>
>No.
I'm with the guy at the back. He and I reckon that everyone else, but
especially the store owners who failed to arrange for an obvious single
first-come-first-served line, are the jerks. Well, not jerks, but just a
little bit jerky.
--
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<iqu7p81l5lqsb1dkv...@4ax.com>:
>>There's a nearby store that usually has a line, they have a counter
>>with two registers. You'll often see two lines of 4-5 people, then at
>>the back someone standing midway between the two lines. So usually in
>>that situation I walk up and stand next to that person on one side or
>>the other, forcing them into whichever line I'm not in. Am I a jerk?
>
>No.
especially the store owners who failed to arrange for an obvious single
first-come-first-served line, are the jerks. Well, not jerks, but just a
little bit jerky.
--
Regards, Peter Boulding
pjbn...@UNSPAMpboulding.co.uk (to e-mail, remove "UNSPAM")
Fractal Images and Music: http://www.pboulding.co.uk/
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Les Albert
May 15, 2013, 6:09:10 PM5/15/13
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On Wed, 15 May 2013 22:51:42 +0100, Peter Boulding
<pjbn...@UNSPAMpboulding.co.uk> wrote:
S.Checker:
of shoppers?
Les
<pjbn...@UNSPAMpboulding.co.uk> wrote:
S.Checker:
>>>There's a nearby store that usually has a line, they have a counter
>>>with two registers. You'll often see two lines of 4-5 people, then at
>>>the back someone standing midway between the two lines. So usually in
>>>that situation I walk up and stand next to that person on one side or
>>>the other, forcing them into whichever line I'm not in. Am I a jerk?
>>>with two registers. You'll often see two lines of 4-5 people, then at
>>>the back someone standing midway between the two lines. So usually in
>>>that situation I walk up and stand next to that person on one side or
>>>the other, forcing them into whichever line I'm not in. Am I a jerk?
>I'm with the guy at the back. He and I reckon that everyone else, but
>especially the store owners who failed to arrange for an obvious single
>first-come-first-served line, are the jerks. Well, not jerks, but just a
>little bit jerky.
What's it like at the back of the line, at odds with two orderly lines
>especially the store owners who failed to arrange for an obvious single
>first-come-first-served line, are the jerks. Well, not jerks, but just a
>little bit jerky.
of shoppers?
Les
John Mc.
May 15, 2013, 7:06:00 PM5/15/13
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elderly little old lady who pulls out a stack of coupons which have to be
verified by someone. Then when she pays she pulls out a coin purse full of
pennies. NOT MAKING THAT UP.
John Mc.
(been there, done that, got the T-shirt. And the emotional scars)
Les Albert
May 15, 2013, 7:28:35 PM5/15/13
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On Wed, 15 May 2013 23:06:00 +0000 (UTC), John Mc. <Jo...@tdcogre.com>
wrote:
larger hardware stores in my area, and nobody bypasses the little old
lady. But it's the two lines for two registers with the odd guy
between both lines that invokes the silent, "Jerk!".
The best set-up is in the giant electronics store, Fry's. On a
weekend they have at least 15 registers working, and one long line
where everyone waits their turn. Fry's was/is a good indicator of how
the economy is doing. During the bad times I could wander that giant
store and never see a lot of people. As the economy slowly improved
my weekend visits meant looking longer for a parking space, and more
people in the store. Things are back to normal, with people buying
bigger TVs and home theater stuff.
Les
wrote:
>Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 May 2013 22:51:42 +0100, Peter Boulding
>> <pjbn...@UNSPAMpboulding.co.uk> wrote:
>> S.Checker:
>>>>> There's a nearby store that usually has a line, they have a counter
>>>>> with two registers. You'll often see two lines of 4-5 people, then at
>>>>> the back someone standing midway between the two lines. So usually in
>>>>> that situation I walk up and stand next to that person on one side or
>>>>> the other, forcing them into whichever line I'm not in. Am I a jerk?
>>> I'm with the guy at the back. He and I reckon that everyone else, but
>>> especially the store owners who failed to arrange for an obvious single
>>> first-come-first-served line, are the jerks. Well, not jerks, but just a
>>> little bit jerky.
>> What's it like at the back of the line, at odds with two orderly lines
>> of shoppers?
>> On Wed, 15 May 2013 22:51:42 +0100, Peter Boulding
>> <pjbn...@UNSPAMpboulding.co.uk> wrote:
>> S.Checker:
>>>>> There's a nearby store that usually has a line, they have a counter
>>>>> with two registers. You'll often see two lines of 4-5 people, then at
>>>>> the back someone standing midway between the two lines. So usually in
>>>>> that situation I walk up and stand next to that person on one side or
>>>>> the other, forcing them into whichever line I'm not in. Am I a jerk?
>>> I'm with the guy at the back. He and I reckon that everyone else, but
>>> especially the store owners who failed to arrange for an obvious single
>>> first-come-first-served line, are the jerks. Well, not jerks, but just a
>>> little bit jerky.
>> What's it like at the back of the line, at odds with two orderly lines
>> of shoppers?
>It's not so much that as the 1 for 4 set-up allows you to bypass the
>elderly little old lady who pulls out a stack of coupons which have to be
>verified by someone. Then when she pays she pulls out a coin purse full of
>pennies. NOT MAKING THAT UP.
>John Mc.
>(been there, done that, got the T-shirt. And the emotional scars)
One line for four registers is something that is very common in the
>elderly little old lady who pulls out a stack of coupons which have to be
>verified by someone. Then when she pays she pulls out a coin purse full of
>pennies. NOT MAKING THAT UP.
>John Mc.
>(been there, done that, got the T-shirt. And the emotional scars)
larger hardware stores in my area, and nobody bypasses the little old
lady. But it's the two lines for two registers with the odd guy
between both lines that invokes the silent, "Jerk!".
The best set-up is in the giant electronics store, Fry's. On a
weekend they have at least 15 registers working, and one long line
where everyone waits their turn. Fry's was/is a good indicator of how
the economy is doing. During the bad times I could wander that giant
store and never see a lot of people. As the economy slowly improved
my weekend visits meant looking longer for a parking space, and more
people in the store. Things are back to normal, with people buying
bigger TVs and home theater stuff.
Les
Howard Hail
May 15, 2013, 8:17:25 PM5/15/13
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>> What's it like at the back of the line, at odds with two orderly
>> lines of shoppers?
>>
>> Les
>
> It's not so much that as the 1 for 4 set-up allows you to bypass the
> elderly little old lady who pulls out a stack of coupons which have to
> be verified by someone. Then when she pays she pulls out a coin purse
> full of pennies. NOT MAKING THAT UP.
The worst supermarket checkout situation I've ever experienced was
>> lines of shoppers?
>>
>> Les
>
> It's not so much that as the 1 for 4 set-up allows you to bypass the
> elderly little old lady who pulls out a stack of coupons which have to
> be verified by someone. Then when she pays she pulls out a coin purse
> full of pennies. NOT MAKING THAT UP.
waiting in line behind an older man and younger woman who clearly hated
each other. They slowly put their items on the belt, and about every
tenth item they'd tell the cashier to stop, check the price, and then
they'd argue over whether or not to buy it, with maybe half of the
disputed items getting voided out. This went on and on and on, and I
realized I should have bailed long ago, even though every other line was
long and I would have been starting all over again in another line.
Finally, the cashier totalled everything up and announced how much they
owed. The man looked at the woman. The woman looked at the man. The
man said he didn't have any money. The woman said she sure didn't have
any money. So they walked out. And then, the cashier announced she
couldn't void the whole order, but had to take every single item out of
the bags and void them one by one.
By that point I was stunned and weeping, torn out all of my hair and
ground my teeth to the nubs. I stumbled out of the store mumbling and
scratching at myself, numb to the world.
Howard Hail
May 15, 2013, 9:41:20 PM5/15/13
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Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com> wrote:
> One line for four registers is something that is very common in the
> larger hardware stores in my area, and nobody bypasses the little old
> lady. But it's the two lines for two registers with the odd guy
> between both lines that invokes the silent, "Jerk!".
>
> The best set-up is in the giant electronics store, Fry's. On a
> weekend they have at least 15 registers working, and one long line
> where everyone waits their turn.
Banks work that way, of course, and I'm surprised more stores don't.
> One line for four registers is something that is very common in the
> larger hardware stores in my area, and nobody bypasses the little old
> lady. But it's the two lines for two registers with the odd guy
> between both lines that invokes the silent, "Jerk!".
>
> The best set-up is in the giant electronics store, Fry's. On a
> weekend they have at least 15 registers working, and one long line
> where everyone waits their turn.
I've been in a few that do, and it seems really smart -- the waiting
chute is long, and it gives the store an opportunity to put all kinds of
things on the racks facing the line for last minute impulse sales.
Grocery stores and Home Depots and whatever else that split up their
lines by each register end up with only very limited rack space for their
impulse buys, which I assume are generally high profit items or things
they want to get out of their inventory or things they otherwise want to
move.
Maybe that's a more efficient use of floor space, but in bigger stores
it's hard to see how a few square feet makes much of a difference, or
maybe they do a better job managing cashier staffing and avoiding lines
than I think. Still, a better customer experience would seem important
to me -- checkout is the last thing a customer does, so I assume it makes
a bigger impression relative to the rest of the shopping trip.
But then I realize big stores spend vastly more time studying this stuff,
so what do I really know?
Tim Wright
May 15, 2013, 10:02:16 PM5/15/13
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me a discount to do their work for them, and we've never gone through
one where everything went smoothly. We have two Home Depot stores that
are about equidistant from us. One will have 2 or 3 checkers working in
addition to the self check lines. The other will only have the cashier
on the contractor end of the building working and everything else has to
go self check. Guess which we go to most often?
--
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell
the color nine.
Tim W
Howard Hail
May 15, 2013, 10:18:46 PM5/15/13
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Tim Wright <tlwri...@gmail.com> wrote in
> One of my pet peeves is the self check out lanes. They're not
> offering me a discount to do their work for them, and we've never gone
> through one where everything went smoothly. We have two Home Depot
> stores that are about equidistant from us. One will have 2 or 3
> checkers working in addition to the self check lines. The other will
> only have the cashier on the contractor end of the building working
> and everything else has to go self check. Guess which we go to most
> often?
I'm lucky to have a good local hardware store which, despite its single
register and tiny aisles and staff of maybe three somehow manages to have
three quarters of what I want, and I never seem to have to wait more than 4
or 5 minutes to talk to someone and get what I need, and the prices are
more or less the same as what I'd pay at the big boxes. I'm not sure how
they stay in business, but I sure hope they never go, and I am so glad that
I could save myself umpteen trips to Home Depot by going there instead.
> One of my pet peeves is the self check out lanes. They're not
> offering me a discount to do their work for them, and we've never gone
> through one where everything went smoothly. We have two Home Depot
> stores that are about equidistant from us. One will have 2 or 3
> checkers working in addition to the self check lines. The other will
> only have the cashier on the contractor end of the building working
> and everything else has to go self check. Guess which we go to most
> often?
register and tiny aisles and staff of maybe three somehow manages to have
three quarters of what I want, and I never seem to have to wait more than 4
or 5 minutes to talk to someone and get what I need, and the prices are
more or less the same as what I'd pay at the big boxes. I'm not sure how
they stay in business, but I sure hope they never go, and I am so glad that
I could save myself umpteen trips to Home Depot by going there instead.
bill van
May 15, 2013, 10:29:58 PM5/15/13
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In article <n62dncOpwa21ownM...@supernews.com>,
thing. Labour is a major expense that chain stores can reduce using
automation. Our bigger supermarkets here are doing the same thing, with
one employee needed to keep four or so self-check stations moving
smoothly. If Chain A makes it work, Chain B will have to match it, or
charge higher prices.
bill
Tim Wright <tlwri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> One of my pet peeves is the self check out lanes. They're not offering
> me a discount to do their work for them, and we've never gone through
> one where everything went smoothly. We have two Home Depot stores that
> are about equidistant from us. One will have 2 or 3 checkers working in
> addition to the self check lines. The other will only have the cashier
> on the contractor end of the building working and everything else has to
> go self check. Guess which we go to most often?
Probably just a matter of time until the other one starts doing the same
> One of my pet peeves is the self check out lanes. They're not offering
> me a discount to do their work for them, and we've never gone through
> one where everything went smoothly. We have two Home Depot stores that
> are about equidistant from us. One will have 2 or 3 checkers working in
> addition to the self check lines. The other will only have the cashier
> on the contractor end of the building working and everything else has to
> go self check. Guess which we go to most often?
thing. Labour is a major expense that chain stores can reduce using
automation. Our bigger supermarkets here are doing the same thing, with
one employee needed to keep four or so self-check stations moving
smoothly. If Chain A makes it work, Chain B will have to match it, or
charge higher prices.
bill
Xho Jingleheimerschmidt
May 15, 2013, 10:31:31 PM5/15/13
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On 05/15/2013 06:41 PM, Howard Hail wrote:
> Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> One line for four registers is something that is very common in the
>> larger hardware stores in my area, and nobody bypasses the little old
>> lady. But it's the two lines for two registers with the odd guy
>> between both lines that invokes the silent, "Jerk!".
>>
>> The best set-up is in the giant electronics store, Fry's. On a
>> weekend they have at least 15 registers working, and one long line
>> where everyone waits their turn.
>
> Banks work that way, of course, and I'm surprised more stores don't.
Banks have lobbies, and most stores don't.
> Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> One line for four registers is something that is very common in the
>> larger hardware stores in my area, and nobody bypasses the little old
>> lady. But it's the two lines for two registers with the odd guy
>> between both lines that invokes the silent, "Jerk!".
>>
>> The best set-up is in the giant electronics store, Fry's. On a
>> weekend they have at least 15 registers working, and one long line
>> where everyone waits their turn.
>
> Banks work that way, of course, and I'm surprised more stores don't.
The individual lines already back up into the shopping aisles. How
would they arrange a single line so as not to make it much worse?
> I've been in a few that do, and it seems really smart -- the waiting
> chute is long, and it gives the store an opportunity to put all kinds of
> things on the racks facing the line for last minute impulse sales.
be impulsive.
Xho
Xho Jingleheimerschmidt
May 15, 2013, 10:36:21 PM5/15/13
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On 05/15/2013 07:02 PM, Tim Wright wrote:
> One of my pet peeves is the self check out lanes. They're not offering
> me a discount to do their work for them,
So why are you pushing your cart around, gathering those items yourself
> One of my pet peeves is the self check out lanes. They're not offering
> me a discount to do their work for them,
in the first place? Is that how Charles Ingalls did it, do you recon?
Xho
Mary
May 15, 2013, 10:40:14 PM5/15/13
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it, and the choice offered to me onscreen was apparently incorrect,
because when I chose "I brought my own bag" it told me I was finished.
I turned right around and went to the regular checkout lane.
Seriously, these things need to be designed well enough that they
actually work even if you haven't used it before.
Mary
Mary
May 15, 2013, 10:41:09 PM5/15/13
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the majority.
Mary
Jeff Wisnia
May 15, 2013, 11:12:35 PM5/15/13
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Howard Hail wrote:
> M C Hamster <davo...@nospam-speakeasy.net> wrote in
>
I stopped giving the finger to sloppy drivers. Instead I "show them the
fig" and feel just as satisfied doing that, though I know that not one
in a thousand sloppy drivers here in the USA knows what I'm doing.
See:
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Talk:sycophant
Jeff
--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.
> M C Hamster <davo...@nospam-speakeasy.net> wrote in
>
>> Some people just seem to react negatively when I give them the finger,
>> and I never know why.
>>
>> Rahm and I talked about this, Saturday night.
>
> I thought he stopped doing that after someone didn't give it back.
>> Some people just seem to react negatively when I give them the finger,
>> and I never know why.
>>
>> Rahm and I talked about this, Saturday night.
>
>
I stopped giving the finger to sloppy drivers. Instead I "show them the
fig" and feel just as satisfied doing that, though I know that not one
in a thousand sloppy drivers here in the USA knows what I'm doing.
See:
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Talk:sycophant
Jeff
--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.
Tim Wright
May 15, 2013, 11:19:13 PM5/15/13
to
On 5/15/2013 10:12 PM, Jeff Wisnia wrote:
> Howard Hail wrote:
>> M C Hamster <davo...@nospam-speakeasy.net> wrote in
>>
>>> Some people just seem to react negatively when I give them the finger,
>>> and I never know why.
>>>
>>> Rahm and I talked about this, Saturday night.
>>
>> I thought he stopped doing that after someone didn't give it back.
>>
>
> I stopped giving the finger to sloppy drivers. Instead I "show them the
> fig" and feel just as satisfied doing that, though I know that not one
> in a thousand sloppy drivers here in the USA knows what I'm doing.
>
> See:
>
> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Talk:sycophant
>
I've considered making a handheld sign that says "WTF" on one side and
> Howard Hail wrote:
>> M C Hamster <davo...@nospam-speakeasy.net> wrote in
>>
>>> Some people just seem to react negatively when I give them the finger,
>>> and I never know why.
>>>
>>> Rahm and I talked about this, Saturday night.
>>
>> I thought he stopped doing that after someone didn't give it back.
>>
>
> I stopped giving the finger to sloppy drivers. Instead I "show them the
> fig" and feel just as satisfied doing that, though I know that not one
> in a thousand sloppy drivers here in the USA knows what I'm doing.
>
> See:
>
> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Talk:sycophant
>
"Hang Up and Drive!" on the other. That should cover about 90% of my needs.
Greg Goss
May 15, 2013, 11:33:06 PM5/15/13
to
Howard Hail <howar...@notmail.com> wrote:
>I'm lucky to have a good local hardware store which, despite its single
>register and tiny aisles and staff of maybe three somehow manages to have
>three quarters of what I want, and I never seem to have to wait more than 4
>or 5 minutes to talk to someone and get what I need, and the prices are
>more or less the same as what I'd pay at the big boxes. I'm not sure how
>they stay in business, but I sure hope they never go, and I am so glad that
>I could save myself umpteen trips to Home Depot by going there instead.
When I moved to North Vancouver, there was a classic hardware store,
>I'm lucky to have a good local hardware store which, despite its single
>register and tiny aisles and staff of maybe three somehow manages to have
>three quarters of what I want, and I never seem to have to wait more than 4
>or 5 minutes to talk to someone and get what I need, and the prices are
>more or less the same as what I'd pay at the big boxes. I'm not sure how
>they stay in business, but I sure hope they never go, and I am so glad that
>I could save myself umpteen trips to Home Depot by going there instead.
with stuff in drawers reached by railed ladders. It burned down about
a year after I got there. They saved the brick shell and built a
modern condo tower inside that shell.
http://www.historicplaces.ca/en/rep-reg/place-lieu.aspx?id=2403
I missed talking with the owner of that store.
Greg Goss
May 15, 2013, 11:34:43 PM5/15/13
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Mary <mrfea...@a0l.com> wrote:
>Seriously, these things need to be designed well enough that they
>actually work even if you haven't used it before.
Other than the experimental self-check supermarket near where I lived
>Seriously, these things need to be designed well enough that they
>actually work even if you haven't used it before.
in 1994, I've never encountered flakey self-checkout terminals, either
at Home Depot or at supermarkets.
bill van
May 16, 2013, 12:02:23 AM5/16/13
to
In article <rIudnfBeKPnY2gnM...@mchsi.com>,
We have a Whole Foods nearby where I shop occasionally. Prices are high,
but quality is excellent, the deli counter serves food that's both
healthy and tasty, and the cashier setup has been changed so that
there's two lines: one for people with four or fewer items who get quick
access to one cashier (sometimes two); the other for people with more
items, who are served in order of lineup by anywhere from two to five
cashiers, depending on how busy the store is. It works quite well. I
suspect that high-end stores like Whole Foods will likely be the last to
automate.
bill
but quality is excellent, the deli counter serves food that's both
healthy and tasty, and the cashier setup has been changed so that
there's two lines: one for people with four or fewer items who get quick
access to one cashier (sometimes two); the other for people with more
items, who are served in order of lineup by anywhere from two to five
cashiers, depending on how busy the store is. It works quite well. I
suspect that high-end stores like Whole Foods will likely be the last to
automate.
bill
bill van
May 16, 2013, 12:04:36 AM5/16/13
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In article <zd-dnWvnS9itzQnM...@supernews.com>,
recipients come after you with a jack handle.
bill
Tim Wright <tlwri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/15/2013 10:12 PM, Jeff Wisnia wrote:
> > Howard Hail wrote:
> >> M C Hamster <davo...@nospam-speakeasy.net> wrote in
> >>
> >>> Some people just seem to react negatively when I give them the finger,
> >>> and I never know why.
> >>>
> >>> Rahm and I talked about this, Saturday night.
> >>
> >> I thought he stopped doing that after someone didn't give it back.
> >>
> >
> > I stopped giving the finger to sloppy drivers. Instead I "show them the
> > fig" and feel just as satisfied doing that, though I know that not one
> > in a thousand sloppy drivers here in the USA knows what I'm doing.
> >
> > See:
> >
> > http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Talk:sycophant
> >
> I've considered making a handheld sign that says "WTF" on one side and
> "Hang Up and Drive!" on the other. That should cover about 90% of my needs.
And the other 10 per cent is for extra health insurance when the
> On 5/15/2013 10:12 PM, Jeff Wisnia wrote:
> > Howard Hail wrote:
> >> M C Hamster <davo...@nospam-speakeasy.net> wrote in
> >>
> >>> Some people just seem to react negatively when I give them the finger,
> >>> and I never know why.
> >>>
> >>> Rahm and I talked about this, Saturday night.
> >>
> >> I thought he stopped doing that after someone didn't give it back.
> >>
> >
> > I stopped giving the finger to sloppy drivers. Instead I "show them the
> > fig" and feel just as satisfied doing that, though I know that not one
> > in a thousand sloppy drivers here in the USA knows what I'm doing.
> >
> > See:
> >
> > http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Talk:sycophant
> >
> I've considered making a handheld sign that says "WTF" on one side and
> "Hang Up and Drive!" on the other. That should cover about 90% of my needs.
recipients come after you with a jack handle.
bill
Nick Spalding
May 16, 2013, 3:35:43 AM5/16/13
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Greg Goss wrote, in <avj2ee...@mid.individual.net>
on Wed, 15 May 2013 21:34:43 -0600:
> Mary <mrfea...@a0l.com> wrote:
>
> >Seriously, these things need to be designed well enough that they
> >actually work even if you haven't used it before.
>
> Other than the experimental self-check supermarket near where I lived
> in 1994, I've never encountered flakey self-checkout terminals, either
> at Home Depot or at supermarkets.
They work well here too. My local supermarket has two types, one like
those being talked about here and the other for those with a lot of
items where you pick up a hand-held scanner as you come in to the shop
and scan and pack your purchases as you go round. You take the full
trolley and the scanner to one of two nominated checkouts where nearly
always you just pay and leave; once in a while they do a recheck to keep
us honest. I don't often have a lot of items but I use it when I need
to get cash-back on my debit card which the other self-check ones won't
do.
--
Nick Spalding
on Wed, 15 May 2013 21:34:43 -0600:
> Mary <mrfea...@a0l.com> wrote:
>
> >Seriously, these things need to be designed well enough that they
> >actually work even if you haven't used it before.
>
> Other than the experimental self-check supermarket near where I lived
> in 1994, I've never encountered flakey self-checkout terminals, either
> at Home Depot or at supermarkets.
those being talked about here and the other for those with a lot of
items where you pick up a hand-held scanner as you come in to the shop
and scan and pack your purchases as you go round. You take the full
trolley and the scanner to one of two nominated checkouts where nearly
always you just pay and leave; once in a while they do a recheck to keep
us honest. I don't often have a lot of items but I use it when I need
to get cash-back on my debit card which the other self-check ones won't
do.
--
Nick Spalding
Howard Hail
May 16, 2013, 8:49:35 AM5/16/13
to
Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote in news:avj2ee...@mid.individual.net:
> Mary <mrfea...@a0l.com> wrote:
>
>>Seriously, these things need to be designed well enough that they
>>actually work even if you haven't used it before.
>
> Other than the experimental self-check supermarket near where I lived
> in 1994, I've never encountered flakey self-checkout terminals, either
> at Home Depot or at supermarkets.
One supermarket where I shop has some kind of scale system under the bags
for verification, so if you self-scan a 1/2 gallon carton of milk and put
it in a bag, it's supposed to feel the weight of about 4 pounds added to
the bag on the scale or else it will stop the transaction. The scales are
flaky, though, so if you buy something light, or something that doesn't fit
easily in the bag like a long loaf of french bread, it can throw off lots
of error codes.
> Mary <mrfea...@a0l.com> wrote:
>
>>Seriously, these things need to be designed well enough that they
>>actually work even if you haven't used it before.
>
> Other than the experimental self-check supermarket near where I lived
> in 1994, I've never encountered flakey self-checkout terminals, either
> at Home Depot or at supermarkets.
for verification, so if you self-scan a 1/2 gallon carton of milk and put
it in a bag, it's supposed to feel the weight of about 4 pounds added to
the bag on the scale or else it will stop the transaction. The scales are
flaky, though, so if you buy something light, or something that doesn't fit
easily in the bag like a long loaf of french bread, it can throw off lots
of error codes.
Howard Hail
May 16, 2013, 8:53:42 AM5/16/13
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Xho Jingleheimerschmidt :
> On 05/15/2013 06:41 PM, Howard Hail wrote:
>> Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> One line for four registers is something that is very common in the
>>> larger hardware stores in my area, and nobody bypasses the little old
>>> lady. But it's the two lines for two registers with the odd guy
>>> between both lines that invokes the silent, "Jerk!".
>>>
>>> The best set-up is in the giant electronics store, Fry's. On a
>>> weekend they have at least 15 registers working, and one long line
>>> where everyone waits their turn.
>>
>> Banks work that way, of course, and I'm surprised more stores don't.
>
> Banks have lobbies, and most stores don't.
What's true for most stores doesn't really bear on whether more stores
can do something. If every store in America stayed the same, except
Staples adopted the single line system, or for that matter just the wig
stores in Los Angeles did it, that would mean more stores had adopted the
system.
> The individual lines already back up into the shopping aisles. How
> would they arrange a single line so as not to make it much worse?
Ask Whole Foods. They did it in Manhattan, and it appears to take up
less space than the regular system:
Whole Foods executives spent months drawing up designs for
a new line system in New York that would be unlike anything
in their suburban stores, where shoppers form one line in
front of each register.
That traditional system, they determined, would take up too
much space and could not handle the crowds they expected here.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/23/business/23checkout.html
There's another chain called Hannafords which it looks like is trying the
same thing. Articles talk about how it's faster, but there's a fair
amount of customers who don't want to change the way they queue up and it
takes a fair amount of traffic direction by employees.
So maybe it's a mix of staffing and training issues, capital costs of
reconfiguring stores, complications of maintaining different designs in
different stores, reluctance to hit customers with a new way of doing
business, but at least for stores the size of supermarkets, it's not a
square footage issue.
> On 05/15/2013 06:41 PM, Howard Hail wrote:
>> Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> One line for four registers is something that is very common in the
>>> larger hardware stores in my area, and nobody bypasses the little old
>>> lady. But it's the two lines for two registers with the odd guy
>>> between both lines that invokes the silent, "Jerk!".
>>>
>>> The best set-up is in the giant electronics store, Fry's. On a
>>> weekend they have at least 15 registers working, and one long line
>>> where everyone waits their turn.
>>
>> Banks work that way, of course, and I'm surprised more stores don't.
>
> Banks have lobbies, and most stores don't.
can do something. If every store in America stayed the same, except
Staples adopted the single line system, or for that matter just the wig
stores in Los Angeles did it, that would mean more stores had adopted the
system.
> The individual lines already back up into the shopping aisles. How
> would they arrange a single line so as not to make it much worse?
less space than the regular system:
Whole Foods executives spent months drawing up designs for
a new line system in New York that would be unlike anything
in their suburban stores, where shoppers form one line in
front of each register.
That traditional system, they determined, would take up too
much space and could not handle the crowds they expected here.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/23/business/23checkout.html
There's another chain called Hannafords which it looks like is trying the
same thing. Articles talk about how it's faster, but there's a fair
amount of customers who don't want to change the way they queue up and it
takes a fair amount of traffic direction by employees.
So maybe it's a mix of staffing and training issues, capital costs of
reconfiguring stores, complications of maintaining different designs in
different stores, reluctance to hit customers with a new way of doing
business, but at least for stores the size of supermarkets, it's not a
square footage issue.
John Mc.
May 16, 2013, 9:23:42 AM5/16/13
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Tim Wright <tlwri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/15/2013 10:12 PM, Jeff Wisnia wrote:
>> Howard Hail wrote:
>>> M C Hamster <davo...@nospam-speakeasy.net> wrote in
>>>
>>>> Some people just seem to react negatively when I give them the finger,
>>>> and I never know why.
>>>>
>>>> Rahm and I talked about this, Saturday night.
>>>
>>> I thought he stopped doing that after someone didn't give it back.
>>>
>>
>> I stopped giving the finger to sloppy drivers. Instead I "show them the
>> fig" and feel just as satisfied doing that, though I know that not one
>> in a thousand sloppy drivers here in the USA knows what I'm doing.
>>
>> See:
>>
>> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Talk:sycophant
>>
> I've considered making a handheld sign that says "WTF" on one side and
> "Hang Up and Drive!" on the other. That should cover about 90% of my needs.
>
Leroy!! Especially the "Hang up and drive". I routinely mime the action
> On 5/15/2013 10:12 PM, Jeff Wisnia wrote:
>> Howard Hail wrote:
>>> M C Hamster <davo...@nospam-speakeasy.net> wrote in
>>>
>>>> Some people just seem to react negatively when I give them the finger,
>>>> and I never know why.
>>>>
>>>> Rahm and I talked about this, Saturday night.
>>>
>>> I thought he stopped doing that after someone didn't give it back.
>>>
>>
>> I stopped giving the finger to sloppy drivers. Instead I "show them the
>> fig" and feel just as satisfied doing that, though I know that not one
>> in a thousand sloppy drivers here in the USA knows what I'm doing.
>>
>> See:
>>
>> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Talk:sycophant
>>
> I've considered making a handheld sign that says "WTF" on one side and
> "Hang Up and Drive!" on the other. That should cover about 90% of my needs.
>
of taking the phone from your ear in people's rear-view mirrors. I know
they aren't paying attention but it makes me feel better. Of course, so
would a front mounted EMP generator.
John Mc.
Tim Wright
May 16, 2013, 10:15:35 AM5/16/13
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and some inconsiderate individual pulls up and thinks everyone needs to
hear his 110db stereo. I've considered getting a battery powered
megaphone and setting it up to only produce high pitched feedback. Aim
the feedback at the offender and when he yells to turn it off tell him
that I will if he will.
Greg Goss
May 16, 2013, 11:31:31 AM5/16/13
to
not I put a six-pack aspirin card on the scale or whether I put a 25
pound bag of cat litter. And I've never got a bogus call from the
scales.
Les Albert
May 16, 2013, 11:50:35 AM5/16/13
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On Thu, 16 May 2013 13:23:42 +0000 (UTC), John Mc. <Jo...@tdcogre.com>
like you are talking on the phone.
All of our cars have displayed the Click and Clack bumper sticker,
"Drive now, talk later": www.drivenowchatlater.com/Support.html
It's a small way of objecting, but you never know who might pay
attention to it.
Les
>> I've considered making a handheld sign that says "WTF" on one side and
>> "Hang Up and Drive!" on the other. That should cover about 90% of my needs.
>Leroy!! Especially the "Hang up and drive". I routinely mime the action
>of taking the phone from your ear in people's rear-view mirrors. I know
>they aren't paying attention but it makes me feel better. Of course, so
>would a front mounted EMP generator.
To another driver, miming any cell phone action in your car just looks
>> "Hang Up and Drive!" on the other. That should cover about 90% of my needs.
>Leroy!! Especially the "Hang up and drive". I routinely mime the action
>of taking the phone from your ear in people's rear-view mirrors. I know
>they aren't paying attention but it makes me feel better. Of course, so
>would a front mounted EMP generator.
like you are talking on the phone.
All of our cars have displayed the Click and Clack bumper sticker,
"Drive now, talk later": www.drivenowchatlater.com/Support.html
It's a small way of objecting, but you never know who might pay
attention to it.
Les
rroger
May 16, 2013, 11:58:21 AM5/16/13
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On May 15, 10:40 pm, Mary <mrfeath...@a0l.com> wrote:
> On 5/15/2013 9:02 PM, Tim Wright wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 5/15/2013 8:41 PM, Howard Hail wrote:
> On 5/15/2013 9:02 PM, Tim Wright wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 5/15/2013 8:41 PM, Howard Hail wrote:
to the store, I would forget to take them. Besides, I don't really
care about them anyway. Also, when it comes to the grocery store's
non reusable bags, I only take paper at places where their paper bags
have *handles, like Whole Foods for example. At regular grocery
stores like Krogers, where the paper bags do not have handles, I
always take plastic.
>
> Seriously, these things need to be designed well enough that they
> actually work even if you haven't used it before.
>
I like the convenience of the self checkouts, especially when I only
> Seriously, these things need to be designed well enough that they
> actually work even if you haven't used it before.
>
have a few items. I also like that, when using them, I can bag my
stuff they way that I want it bagged. It's kind of a "catch 22"
though, because I DO also agree with something that my mom used to
say, and I MAY be paraphrasing her, because I don't remember for sure
exactly HOW she said it. She would say "if/since the grocery stores
are going to charge me the prices that they do, then they can do the
checking out and bagging for me".
--
rr-*I like convenience-oger
Mary
May 16, 2013, 1:12:44 PM5/16/13
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On May 15, 11:02 pm, bill van <bill...@delete.shaw.ca> wrote:
> In article <rIudnfBeKPnY2gnMnZ2dnUVZ_qGdn...@mchsi.com>,
> > > In article <n62dncOpwa21ownMnZ2dnUVZ_sOdn...@supernews.com>,
Agreed - we have a local smallish chain that's more upscale and their
service is always excellent and I don't expect to see them add self-
checkout lines.
And I just love them - Kowalski's.
Mary
> In article <rIudnfBeKPnY2gnMnZ2dnUVZ_qGdn...@mchsi.com>,
> > > In article <n62dncOpwa21ownMnZ2dnUVZ_sOdn...@supernews.com>,
service is always excellent and I don't expect to see them add self-
checkout lines.
And I just love them - Kowalski's.
Mary
danny burstein
May 16, 2013, 1:20:26 PM5/16/13
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In <694eb31a-01ab-4052...@w8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> Mary <mrfea...@aol.com> writes:
>Agreed - we have a local smallish chain that's more upscale and their
>service is always excellent and I don't expect to see them add self-
>checkout lines.
>And I just love them - Kowalski's.
Ah, so he went from serving aboard subs to serving subs...
>Agreed - we have a local smallish chain that's more upscale and their
>service is always excellent and I don't expect to see them add self-
>checkout lines.
>And I just love them - Kowalski's.
--
_____________________________________________________
Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
dan...@panix.com
[to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]
Les Albert
May 16, 2013, 1:30:53 PM5/16/13
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On Thu, 16 May 2013 10:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Mary <mrfea...@aol.com>
wrote:
Kowalski's? They coulda had class. They coulda been a contender.
Les
wrote:
Les
Greg Goss
May 16, 2013, 3:10:06 PM5/16/13
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danny burstein <dan...@panix.com> wrote:
>In <694eb31a-01ab-4052...@w8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> Mary <mrfea...@aol.com> writes:
>
>>Agreed - we have a local smallish chain that's more upscale and their
>>service is always excellent and I don't expect to see them add self-
>>checkout lines.
>
>>And I just love them - Kowalski's.
>
>Ah, so he went from serving aboard subs to serving subs...
On the rye or the kaiser ...
>In <694eb31a-01ab-4052...@w8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> Mary <mrfea...@aol.com> writes:
>
>>Agreed - we have a local smallish chain that's more upscale and their
>>service is always excellent and I don't expect to see them add self-
>>checkout lines.
>
>>And I just love them - Kowalski's.
>
>Ah, so he went from serving aboard subs to serving subs...
Joseph Nebus
May 16, 2013, 9:22:12 PM5/16/13
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In <kn34gq$n9n$1...@reader1.panix.com> danny burstein <dan...@panix.com> writes:
>In <694eb31a-01ab-4052...@w8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> Mary <mrfea...@aol.com> writes:
>>Agreed - we have a local smallish chain that's more upscale and their
>>service is always excellent and I don't expect to see them add self-
>>checkout lines.
>>And I just love them - Kowalski's.
>Ah, so he went from serving aboard subs to serving subs...
If they open a location near the BDSM district, he could go
>In <694eb31a-01ab-4052...@w8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> Mary <mrfea...@aol.com> writes:
>>Agreed - we have a local smallish chain that's more upscale and their
>>service is always excellent and I don't expect to see them add self-
>>checkout lines.
>>And I just love them - Kowalski's.
>Ah, so he went from serving aboard subs to serving subs...
from serving aboard subs to serving subs to subs.
(If the subs ask *right* this time.)
--
http://nebusresearch.wordpress.com/ Joseph Nebus
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John Mc.
May 16, 2013, 10:06:19 PM5/16/13
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day; windows down enjoying the cool and up pulls SFB with his crap
blasting in my ears. I power the windows up and the a**hole turns it up.
Maybe I need a handheld EMP??
John Mc.
John Mc.
May 16, 2013, 10:08:53 PM5/16/13
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On 5/16/2013 1:20 PM, danny burstein wrote:
> In <694eb31a-01ab-4052...@w8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> Mary <mrfea...@aol.com> writes:
>
>> Agreed - we have a local smallish chain that's more upscale and their
>> service is always excellent and I don't expect to see them add self-
>> checkout lines.
>
>> And I just love them - Kowalski's.
>
> Ah, so he went from serving aboard subs to serving subs...
>
>
Sounds like a voyage to the bottom of a pun thread.
> In <694eb31a-01ab-4052...@w8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> Mary <mrfea...@aol.com> writes:
>
>> Agreed - we have a local smallish chain that's more upscale and their
>> service is always excellent and I don't expect to see them add self-
>> checkout lines.
>
>> And I just love them - Kowalski's.
>
> Ah, so he went from serving aboard subs to serving subs...
>
>
John Mc.
John Mc.
May 16, 2013, 10:39:26 PM5/16/13
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On 5/15/2013 10:02 PM, Tim Wright wrote:
> On 5/15/2013 8:41 PM, Howard Hail wrote:
> On 5/15/2013 8:41 PM, Howard Hail wrote:
> One of my pet peeves is the self check out lanes. They're not offering
> me a discount to do their work for them, and we've never gone through
> one where everything went smoothly. We have two Home Depot stores that
> are about equidistant from us. One will have 2 or 3 checkers working in
> addition to the self check lines. The other will only have the cashier
> on the contractor end of the building working and everything else has to
> go self check. Guess which we go to most often?
>
I have a quarrel with people who can't count. The local Meijer store has
> me a discount to do their work for them, and we've never gone through
> one where everything went smoothly. We have two Home Depot stores that
> are about equidistant from us. One will have 2 or 3 checkers working in
> addition to the self check lines. The other will only have the cashier
> on the contractor end of the building working and everything else has to
> go self check. Guess which we go to most often?
>
two types of self-check. One with twenty items or less, the other no
limit but it is self bag. If I have more than 10 I go find a lane with a
cashier so she can do the bagging. Now I'm not one to sit and go: "Ah,
you've got 21 items. Out of line, Bozo." But this last Christmas Eve I
was sent on a mission to get something for the next day's dinner. It
was a mad house, lines everywhere. The afore mentioned self checks were
full too. But at one of them there's a man and his wife with a cart that
was overflowing. And they're using the 20 or less lane. So they start
running their stuff through. Not only can they not read but they can't
handle the lack of space for their bags. I start counting aloud-30,
31,32,34.... The fellow behind me looks at them. (He and I each have two
items.) And he starts counting with me. Did it make them stop? No, but
it felt good. They finished up, not making eye-contact with anyone and left.
"Maybe" they won't do that again. Don't know but it's the same sort
scenario I disagree with SWMBO about when driving. Someone does a
boneheaded maneuver and I use my horn. She'll say what good does that
do? Maybe none but if you simply ignore stupidity those engaged in it
assume it's acceptable.
John Mc.
rroger
May 16, 2013, 10:59:02 PM5/16/13
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On May 16, 10:39 pm, "John Mc." <j...@tdcogre.com> wrote:
> On 5/15/2013 10:02 PM, Tim Wright wrote:
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> > On 5/15/2013 8:41 PM, Howard Hail wrote:
> On 5/15/2013 10:02 PM, Tim Wright wrote:
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Tim Wright
May 16, 2013, 11:08:04 PM5/16/13
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your horn. One of my peeves is when someone tries to beat the light but
doesn't have room to clear the intersection before I get the green. Do
I toot my horn, no, I sit on that horn until they look at me and I can
see the shame in their eyes. If you don't tell them they're stupid,
they'll never know.
Snidely
May 17, 2013, 12:13:32 AM5/17/13
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On Thursday, rroger exclaimed wildly:
Of course, the point of the self-checkout lines is to avoid having to
RAISE prices too fast, and thus making clientele prematurely scarce.
I recommend, though, that when you shop at Walmart that you have them
check and bag for you.
/dps
--
"I am not given to exaggeration, and when I say a thing I mean it"
_Roughing It_, Mark Twain
RAISE prices too fast, and thus making clientele prematurely scarce.
I recommend, though, that when you shop at Walmart that you have them
check and bag for you.
/dps
--
"I am not given to exaggeration, and when I say a thing I mean it"
_Roughing It_, Mark Twain
John Mc.
May 17, 2013, 5:58:54 AM5/17/13
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John Mc.
paulydak
May 17, 2013, 12:49:51 PM5/17/13
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to go in a bag. For light stuff that's not registering you can sorta
touch or knock or something on the stand, jostle it a little, that'll
usually get it to register.
They're way way way better now than they were back when I was working
at a store (Meijer) that was developing them, mid-90s. Talk about
flaky!
--
Pauly-experimental
Hactar
May 17, 2013, 12:41:50 PM5/17/13
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--
-eben QebWe...@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81
LIBRA: A big promotion is just around the corner for someone
much more talented than you. Laughter is the very best medicine,
remember that when your appendix bursts next week. -- Weird Al
S. Checker
May 17, 2013, 2:08:52 PM5/17/13
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In alt.fan.cecil-adams Hactar <ebenZ...@verizon.net> wrote:
> In article <kn438b$6ku$2...@dont-email.me>, John Mc. <jo...@tdcogre.com> wrote:
>> On 5/16/2013 1:20 PM, danny burstein wrote:
>> > In
>> <694eb31a-01ab-4052...@w8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
>> Mary <mrfea...@aol.com> writes:
>> >
>> >> Agreed - we have a local smallish chain that's more upscale and their
>> >> service is always excellent and I don't expect to see them add self-
>> >> checkout lines.
>> >
>> >> And I just love them - Kowalski's.
>> >
>> > Ah, so he went from serving aboard subs to serving subs...
>> >
>> Sounds like a voyage to the bottom of a pun thread.
>
> That's a possibility. A substantial one, even.
Of course if he turns out to make the best ones in the area you really
> In article <kn438b$6ku$2...@dont-email.me>, John Mc. <jo...@tdcogre.com> wrote:
>> On 5/16/2013 1:20 PM, danny burstein wrote:
>> > In
>> <694eb31a-01ab-4052...@w8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
>> Mary <mrfea...@aol.com> writes:
>> >
>> >> Agreed - we have a local smallish chain that's more upscale and their
>> >> service is always excellent and I don't expect to see them add self-
>> >> checkout lines.
>> >
>> >> And I just love them - Kowalski's.
>> >
>> > Ah, so he went from serving aboard subs to serving subs...
>> >
>> Sounds like a voyage to the bottom of a pun thread.
>
> That's a possibility. A substantial one, even.
could say he is sub standard.
--
There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible
and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge.
-- Dr. Hunter S. Thompson
danny burstein
May 17, 2013, 3:37:45 PM5/17/13
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[snippeth]
>>> >> Agreed - we have a local smallish chain that's more upscale and their
>>> >> service is always excellent and I don't expect to see them add self-
>>> >> checkout lines.
>>> >
>>> >> And I just love them - Kowalski's.
>>> >
>>> > Ah, so he went from serving aboard subs to serving subs...
>>> >
>>> Sounds like a voyage to the bottom of a pun thread.
>>
>> That's a possibility. A substantial one, even.
>Of course if he turns out to make the best ones in the area you really
>could say he is sub standard.
I think we should take a close View of this, and Sea what we find.
- to those who haven't picked up on the thread, Kowalski
was one of the crew members on the Seaview submarine,
commanded by Lord Nelson, in the tv series
"Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea".
(not sure if he was in the movie).
>>> >> Agreed - we have a local smallish chain that's more upscale and their
>>> >> service is always excellent and I don't expect to see them add self-
>>> >> checkout lines.
>>> >
>>> >> And I just love them - Kowalski's.
>>> >
>>> > Ah, so he went from serving aboard subs to serving subs...
>>> >
>>> Sounds like a voyage to the bottom of a pun thread.
>>
>> That's a possibility. A substantial one, even.
>Of course if he turns out to make the best ones in the area you really
>could say he is sub standard.
- to those who haven't picked up on the thread, Kowalski
was one of the crew members on the Seaview submarine,
commanded by Lord Nelson, in the tv series
"Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea".
(not sure if he was in the movie).
John Mc.
May 17, 2013, 4:47:16 PM5/17/13
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danny burstein <dan...@panix.com> wrote:
> [snippeth]
>
>>>>>> Agreed - we have a local smallish chain that's more upscale and their
>>>>>> service is always excellent and I don't expect to see them add self-
>>>>>> checkout lines.
>>>>>
>>>>>> And I just love them - Kowalski's.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, so he went from serving aboard subs to serving subs...
>>>>>
>>>> Sounds like a voyage to the bottom of a pun thread.
>>>
>>> That's a possibility. A substantial one, even.
>
>> Of course if he turns out to make the best ones in the area you really
>> could say he is sub standard.
>
> I think we should take a close View of this, and Sea what we find.
>
> - to those who haven't picked up on the thread, Kowalski
> was one of the crew members on the Seaview submarine,
> commanded by Lord Nelson, in the tv series
> "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea".
>
> (not sure if he was in the movie).
If you crane your neck you can see where we're Hedison.
> [snippeth]
>
>>>>>> Agreed - we have a local smallish chain that's more upscale and their
>>>>>> service is always excellent and I don't expect to see them add self-
>>>>>> checkout lines.
>>>>>
>>>>>> And I just love them - Kowalski's.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, so he went from serving aboard subs to serving subs...
>>>>>
>>>> Sounds like a voyage to the bottom of a pun thread.
>>>
>>> That's a possibility. A substantial one, even.
>
>> Of course if he turns out to make the best ones in the area you really
>> could say he is sub standard.
>
> I think we should take a close View of this, and Sea what we find.
>
> - to those who haven't picked up on the thread, Kowalski
> was one of the crew members on the Seaview submarine,
> commanded by Lord Nelson, in the tv series
> "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea".
>
> (not sure if he was in the movie).
John Mc.
danny burstein
May 17, 2013, 5:19:58 PM5/17/13
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John Mc.
May 17, 2013, 5:40:35 PM5/17/13
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danny burstein <dan...@panix.com> wrote:
>>> [snippeth]
>>>
>>>>>>>> Agreed - we have a local smallish chain that's more upscale and their
>>>>>>>> service is always excellent and I don't expect to see them add self-
>>>>>>>> checkout lines.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And I just love them - Kowalski's.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ah, so he went from serving aboard subs to serving subs...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds like a voyage to the bottom of a pun thread.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a possibility. A substantial one, even.
>>>
>>>> Of course if he turns out to make the best ones in the area you really
>>>> could say he is sub standard.
>>>
>>> I think we should take a close View of this, and Sea what we find.
>>>
>>> - to those who haven't picked up on the thread, Kowalski
>>> was one of the crew members on the Seaview submarine,
>>> commanded by Lord Nelson, in the tv series
>>> "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea".
>>>
>>> (not sure if he was in the movie).
>
>> If you crane your neck you can see where we're Hedison.
>
> Could we Lieiter up this conversation, Felix?
I see your word is your Bond.
>>> [snippeth]
>>>
>>>>>>>> Agreed - we have a local smallish chain that's more upscale and their
>>>>>>>> service is always excellent and I don't expect to see them add self-
>>>>>>>> checkout lines.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And I just love them - Kowalski's.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ah, so he went from serving aboard subs to serving subs...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds like a voyage to the bottom of a pun thread.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a possibility. A substantial one, even.
>>>
>>>> Of course if he turns out to make the best ones in the area you really
>>>> could say he is sub standard.
>>>
>>> I think we should take a close View of this, and Sea what we find.
>>>
>>> - to those who haven't picked up on the thread, Kowalski
>>> was one of the crew members on the Seaview submarine,
>>> commanded by Lord Nelson, in the tv series
>>> "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea".
>>>
>>> (not sure if he was in the movie).
>
>> If you crane your neck you can see where we're Hedison.
>
> Could we Lieiter up this conversation, Felix?
John Mc.
Howard Hail
May 17, 2013, 7:50:05 PM5/17/13
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John Mc. <Jo...@tdcogre.com> wrote in
I take some quantum of solace knowing this thread isn't forever, only
diamonds are.
diamonds are.
BillTurlock
May 19, 2013, 12:28:51 PM5/19/13
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On Wed, 15 May 2013 22:51:42 +0100, Peter Boulding
<pjbn...@UNSPAMpboulding.co.uk> wrote:
>On Wed, 15 May 2013 14:17:12 -0700, BillTurlock wrote in
><iqu7p81l5lqsb1dkv...@4ax.com>:
>
>>>There's a nearby store that usually has a line, they have a counter
>>>with two registers. You'll often see two lines of 4-5 people, then at
>>>the back someone standing midway between the two lines. So usually in
>>>that situation I walk up and stand next to that person on one side or
>>>the other, forcing them into whichever line I'm not in. Am I a jerk?
>>
>>No.
>
>I'm with the guy at the back. He and I reckon that everyone else, but
>especially the store owners who failed to arrange for an obvious single
>first-come-first-served line, are the jerks. Well, not jerks, but just a
>little bit jerky.
I believe that it is appropriate to call people who are all that
impolite, Line Jumpers, and as such should be controlled by
management.
Sometimes the things I have in my basket are not at all essential, and
I _will_ drop my basket and stomp curmudgeonlyly away, purchasing
nothing. That'll show 'em!
<pjbn...@UNSPAMpboulding.co.uk> wrote:
>On Wed, 15 May 2013 14:17:12 -0700, BillTurlock wrote in
><iqu7p81l5lqsb1dkv...@4ax.com>:
>
>>>There's a nearby store that usually has a line, they have a counter
>>>with two registers. You'll often see two lines of 4-5 people, then at
>>>the back someone standing midway between the two lines. So usually in
>>>that situation I walk up and stand next to that person on one side or
>>>the other, forcing them into whichever line I'm not in. Am I a jerk?
>>
>>No.
>
>I'm with the guy at the back. He and I reckon that everyone else, but
>especially the store owners who failed to arrange for an obvious single
>first-come-first-served line, are the jerks. Well, not jerks, but just a
>little bit jerky.
I believe that it is appropriate to call people who are all that
impolite, Line Jumpers, and as such should be controlled by
management.
Sometimes the things I have in my basket are not at all essential, and
I _will_ drop my basket and stomp curmudgeonlyly away, purchasing
nothing. That'll show 'em!
BillTurlock
May 19, 2013, 12:35:38 PM5/19/13
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On Thu, 16 May 2013 02:18:46 +0000 (UTC), Howard Hail
<howar...@notmail.com> wrote:
>
>I'm lucky to have a good local hardware store which, despite its single
>register and tiny aisles and staff of maybe three somehow manages to have
>three quarters of what I want, and I never seem to have to wait more than 4
>or 5 minutes to talk to someone and get what I need, and the prices are
>more or less the same as what I'd pay at the big boxes. I'm not sure how
>they stay in business, but I sure hope they never go, and I am so glad that
>I could save myself umpteen trips to Home Depot by going there instead.
Pagano's, on the island?
<howar...@notmail.com> wrote:
>
>I'm lucky to have a good local hardware store which, despite its single
>register and tiny aisles and staff of maybe three somehow manages to have
>three quarters of what I want, and I never seem to have to wait more than 4
>or 5 minutes to talk to someone and get what I need, and the prices are
>more or less the same as what I'd pay at the big boxes. I'm not sure how
>they stay in business, but I sure hope they never go, and I am so glad that
>I could save myself umpteen trips to Home Depot by going there instead.
Pagano's, on the island?
BillTurlock
May 19, 2013, 12:37:42 PM5/19/13
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On Wed, 15 May 2013 21:41:09 -0500, Mary <mrfea...@a0l.com> wrote:
>
>I for one would gladly pay more to avoid 'em, but I'm probably not in
>the majority.
I just want a quick in 'n out experience, and usually that's the self
>
>I for one would gladly pay more to avoid 'em, but I'm probably not in
>the majority.
lines.
BillTurlock
May 19, 2013, 12:51:13 PM5/19/13
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On Thu, 16 May 2013 12:53:42 +0000 (UTC), Howard Hail
<howart...@notmail.com> wrote:
>Xho Jingleheimerschmidt :
>
>What's true for most stores doesn't really bear on whether more stores
>can do something. If every store in America stayed the same, except
>Staples adopted the single line system, or for that matter just the wig
>stores in Los Angeles did it, that would mean more stores had adopted the
>system.
>
>> The individual lines already back up into the shopping aisles. How
>> would they arrange a single line so as not to make it much worse?
>
>Ask Whole Foods. They did it in Manhattan, and it appears to take up
>less space than the regular system:
>
> Whole Foods executives spent months drawing up designs for
> a new line system in New York that would be unlike anything
> in their suburban stores, where shoppers form one line in
> front of each register.
>
> That traditional system, they determined, would take up too
> much space and could not handle the crowds they expected here.
>
>http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/23/business/23checkout.html
>
>There's another chain called Hannafords which it looks like is trying the
>same thing. Articles talk about how it's faster, but there's a fair
>amount of customers who don't want to change the way they queue up and it
>takes a fair amount of traffic direction by employees.
>
>So maybe it's a mix of staffing and training issues, capital costs of
>reconfiguring stores, complications of maintaining different designs in
>different stores, reluctance to hit customers with a new way of doing
>business, but at least for stores the size of supermarkets, it's not a
>square footage issue.
The queueing chute (and there's no other way to get to a money-taker)
at the Frys in Concord is 75-100' long, not much wider than 1.5
persons and is _jammed_ with impulse items. An employee is stationed
(they rotate, so everyone gets a bit of the "easy" duty) at the outlet
of the chute, and monitors the next open register (there are tally
lights) and will direct you to the available one. There are ~35 regs,
IIRC... maybe 50. (And not all are manned).
The flagship store in Sunnyvale has IIRC >100 regs, and on Black
Friday they're all manned and working full steam, and the chute line
winds around to the back of the store. Which is at least one acre in
area. srsly
<howart...@notmail.com> wrote:
>Xho Jingleheimerschmidt :
>
>> On 05/15/2013 06:41 PM, Howard Hail wrote:
>
>>> Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> One line for four registers is something that is very common in the
>>>> larger hardware stores in my area, and nobody bypasses the little old
>>>> lady. But it's the two lines for two registers with the odd guy
>>>> between both lines that invokes the silent, "Jerk!".
>>>>
>>>> The best set-up is in the giant electronics store, Fry's. On a
>>>> weekend they have at least 15 registers working, and one long line
>>>> where everyone waits their turn.
>>>
>>> Banks work that way, of course, and I'm surprised more stores don't.
>>
>> Banks have lobbies, and most stores don't.
>> On 05/15/2013 06:41 PM, Howard Hail wrote:
>
>>> Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> One line for four registers is something that is very common in the
>>>> larger hardware stores in my area, and nobody bypasses the little old
>>>> lady. But it's the two lines for two registers with the odd guy
>>>> between both lines that invokes the silent, "Jerk!".
>>>>
>>>> The best set-up is in the giant electronics store, Fry's. On a
>>>> weekend they have at least 15 registers working, and one long line
>>>> where everyone waits their turn.
>>>
>>> Banks work that way, of course, and I'm surprised more stores don't.
>>
>
>What's true for most stores doesn't really bear on whether more stores
>can do something. If every store in America stayed the same, except
>Staples adopted the single line system, or for that matter just the wig
>stores in Los Angeles did it, that would mean more stores had adopted the
>system.
>
>> The individual lines already back up into the shopping aisles. How
>> would they arrange a single line so as not to make it much worse?
>
>Ask Whole Foods. They did it in Manhattan, and it appears to take up
>less space than the regular system:
>
> Whole Foods executives spent months drawing up designs for
> a new line system in New York that would be unlike anything
> in their suburban stores, where shoppers form one line in
> front of each register.
>
> That traditional system, they determined, would take up too
> much space and could not handle the crowds they expected here.
>
>http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/23/business/23checkout.html
>
>There's another chain called Hannafords which it looks like is trying the
>same thing. Articles talk about how it's faster, but there's a fair
>amount of customers who don't want to change the way they queue up and it
>takes a fair amount of traffic direction by employees.
>
>So maybe it's a mix of staffing and training issues, capital costs of
>reconfiguring stores, complications of maintaining different designs in
>different stores, reluctance to hit customers with a new way of doing
>business, but at least for stores the size of supermarkets, it's not a
>square footage issue.
The queueing chute (and there's no other way to get to a money-taker)
at the Frys in Concord is 75-100' long, not much wider than 1.5
persons and is _jammed_ with impulse items. An employee is stationed
(they rotate, so everyone gets a bit of the "easy" duty) at the outlet
of the chute, and monitors the next open register (there are tally
lights) and will direct you to the available one. There are ~35 regs,
IIRC... maybe 50. (And not all are manned).
The flagship store in Sunnyvale has IIRC >100 regs, and on Black
Friday they're all manned and working full steam, and the chute line
winds around to the back of the store. Which is at least one acre in
area. srsly
BillTurlock
May 19, 2013, 12:51:48 PM5/19/13
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On Thu, 16 May 2013 13:23:42 +0000 (UTC), John Mc. <Jo...@tdcogre.com>
wrote:
>
>Leroy!! Especially the "Hang up and drive". I routinely mime the action
>of taking the phone from your ear in people's rear-view mirrors. I know
>they aren't paying attention but it makes me feel better. Of course, so
>would a front mounted EMP generator.
have your people call my people
wrote:
>
>Leroy!! Especially the "Hang up and drive". I routinely mime the action
>of taking the phone from your ear in people's rear-view mirrors. I know
>they aren't paying attention but it makes me feel better. Of course, so
>would a front mounted EMP generator.
BillTurlock
May 19, 2013, 12:58:14 PM5/19/13
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On Thu, 16 May 2013 09:15:35 -0500, Tim Wright <tlwri...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>Yes, an EMP projector would be great for when you're filling your tank
>and some inconsiderate individual pulls up and thinks everyone needs to
>hear his 110db stereo. I've considered getting a battery powered
>megaphone and setting it up to only produce high pitched feedback. Aim
>the feedback at the offender and when he yells to turn it off tell him
>that I will if he will.
I'm not sure I should be describing this which happened just a few
days ago, just the recollection is stressful. This white dude had a
stereo in his truck which was egregiously loud ONE BLOCK AWAY. And of
course it was improperly installed so it distorted the sound and
rattles all the loose pieces of the truck. I am not exaggerating.
Soon, he was directly behind me, and I thought I was going to have a
stroke from the audio stress. srsly!
He barely got away with his life.
I gotta get my stutter horn re-installed soon!
wrote:
>
>Yes, an EMP projector would be great for when you're filling your tank
>and some inconsiderate individual pulls up and thinks everyone needs to
>hear his 110db stereo. I've considered getting a battery powered
>megaphone and setting it up to only produce high pitched feedback. Aim
>the feedback at the offender and when he yells to turn it off tell him
>that I will if he will.
days ago, just the recollection is stressful. This white dude had a
stereo in his truck which was egregiously loud ONE BLOCK AWAY. And of
course it was improperly installed so it distorted the sound and
rattles all the loose pieces of the truck. I am not exaggerating.
Soon, he was directly behind me, and I thought I was going to have a
stroke from the audio stress. srsly!
He barely got away with his life.
I gotta get my stutter horn re-installed soon!
BillTurlock
May 19, 2013, 1:01:16 PM5/19/13
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On Thu, 16 May 2013 22:39:26 -0400, "John Mc." <jo...@tdcogre.com>
wrote:
>
> "Maybe" they won't do that again. Don't know but it's the same sort
>scenario I disagree with SWMBO about when driving. Someone does a
>boneheaded maneuver and I use my horn. She'll say what good does that
>do? Maybe none but if you simply ignore stupidity those engaged in it
>assume it's acceptable.
wrote:
>
> "Maybe" they won't do that again. Don't know but it's the same sort
>scenario I disagree with SWMBO about when driving. Someone does a
>boneheaded maneuver and I use my horn. She'll say what good does that
>do? Maybe none but if you simply ignore stupidity those engaged in it
>assume it's acceptable.
BillTurlock
May 19, 2013, 1:02:05 PM5/19/13
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On Thu, 16 May 2013 22:08:04 -0500, Tim Wright <tlwri...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
wrote:
>
>Sometimes it isn't just a matter of using your horn, but how you use
>your horn. One of my peeves is when someone tries to beat the light but
>doesn't have room to clear the intersection before I get the green. Do
>I toot my horn, no, I sit on that horn until they look at me and I can
>see the shame in their eyes. If you don't tell them they're stupid,
>they'll never know.
have your prople call my people
>your horn. One of my peeves is when someone tries to beat the light but
>doesn't have room to clear the intersection before I get the green. Do
>I toot my horn, no, I sit on that horn until they look at me and I can
>see the shame in their eyes. If you don't tell them they're stupid,
>they'll never know.
Les Albert
May 19, 2013, 5:31:39 PM5/19/13
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On Sun, 19 May 2013 09:58:14 -0700, BillTurlock wrote:
>I'm not sure I should be describing this which happened just a few
>days ago, just the recollection is stressful. This white dude had a
>stereo in his truck which was egregiously loud ONE BLOCK AWAY. And of
>course it was improperly installed so it distorted the sound and
>rattles all the loose pieces of the truck. I am not exaggerating.
>Soon, he was directly behind me, and I thought I was going to have a
>stroke from the audio stress. srsly!
>He barely got away with his life.
What would you have done to him? http://tinyurl.com/ydnn79f
>I'm not sure I should be describing this which happened just a few
>days ago, just the recollection is stressful. This white dude had a
>stereo in his truck which was egregiously loud ONE BLOCK AWAY. And of
>course it was improperly installed so it distorted the sound and
>rattles all the loose pieces of the truck. I am not exaggerating.
>Soon, he was directly behind me, and I thought I was going to have a
>stroke from the audio stress. srsly!
>He barely got away with his life.
Les
D.F. Manno
May 19, 2013, 10:32:08 PM5/19/13
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Hactar <ebenZ...@verizon.net> wrote:
> In article <kn438b$6ku$2...@dont-email.me>, John Mc. <jo...@tdcogre.com> wrote:
>> On 5/16/2013 1:20 PM, danny burstein wrote:
>>> In
>> <694eb31a-01ab-4052...@w8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
>> Mary <mrfea...@aol.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Agreed - we have a local smallish chain that's more upscale and their
>>>> service is always excellent and I don't expect to see them add self-
>>>> checkout lines.
>>>
>>>> And I just love them - Kowalski's.
>>>
>>> Ah, so he went from serving aboard subs to serving subs...
>>>
>> Sounds like a voyage to the bottom of a pun thread.
>
> That's a possibility. A substantial one, even.
Can you substantiate that claim?
> In article <kn438b$6ku$2...@dont-email.me>, John Mc. <jo...@tdcogre.com> wrote:
>> On 5/16/2013 1:20 PM, danny burstein wrote:
>>> In
>> <694eb31a-01ab-4052...@w8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
>> Mary <mrfea...@aol.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Agreed - we have a local smallish chain that's more upscale and their
>>>> service is always excellent and I don't expect to see them add self-
>>>> checkout lines.
>>>
>>>> And I just love them - Kowalski's.
>>>
>>> Ah, so he went from serving aboard subs to serving subs...
>>>
>> Sounds like a voyage to the bottom of a pun thread.
>
> That's a possibility. A substantial one, even.
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D.F. Manno
Hactar
May 20, 2013, 12:35:25 AM5/20/13
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paulydak
May 20, 2013, 2:30:16 AM5/20/13
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Sunnyvale. Maybe they're pretty close in size. First one I was ever
inside was Campbell, and Sunnyvale seemed smaller when I first went in
there.
Hard to believe that't the flagship store, that's fer shur.
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Pauly-could be wrong, been a while
S. Checker
May 20, 2013, 9:07:36 AM5/20/13
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Xho Jingleheimerschmidt
May 19, 2013, 7:57:51 PM5/19/13
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On 05/19/2013 09:51 AM, BillTurlock wrote:
>
> The queueing chute (and there's no other way to get to a money-taker)
> at the Frys in Concord is 75-100' long, not much wider than 1.5
> persons and is _jammed_ with impulse items. An employee is stationed
> (they rotate, so everyone gets a bit of the "easy" duty) at the outlet
> of the chute, and monitors the next open register (there are tally
> lights) and will direct you to the available one.
Do they wait until it is actually available, or do they direct you there
>
> The queueing chute (and there's no other way to get to a money-taker)
> at the Frys in Concord is 75-100' long, not much wider than 1.5
> persons and is _jammed_ with impulse items. An employee is stationed
> (they rotate, so everyone gets a bit of the "easy" duty) at the outlet
> of the chute, and monitors the next open register (there are tally
> lights) and will direct you to the available one.
when the previous person is still finishing up? If the former, there is
this dead time while the person ambles from the chute outlet to the
available register, which if there are 50 of them is going to be a
pretty long amble.
This all reminds me of the weekend when the Registrar would set up a
huge panel of VT100 terminals in the ballroom of the student union, so
we could register for the next semester's courses. Each lower case
registrar has a flag to raise when they wanted the next person to start
ambling their way. And then they switched to a touch-tone phone system.
Xho
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Next!!
BillTurlock
May 21, 2013, 1:40:58 AM5/21/13
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On Sun, 19 May 2013 23:30:16 -0700, paulydak <I...@home.sleepin> wrote:
>
>Seems like the Campbell store has a bigger/longer checkout lane than
>Sunnyvale. Maybe they're pretty close in size. First one I was ever
>inside was Campbell, and Sunnyvale seemed smaller when I first went in
>there.
>
>Hard to believe that't the flagship store, that's fer shur.
That's recently, right? It seems to me that we are not talking about
>
>Seems like the Campbell store has a bigger/longer checkout lane than
>Sunnyvale. Maybe they're pretty close in size. First one I was ever
>inside was Campbell, and Sunnyvale seemed smaller when I first went in
>there.
>
>Hard to believe that't the flagship store, that's fer shur.
the same things. I've been in the Campbell store, and it's big, all
right, but sometime in the recently (last 10-12 years) rebuilt
Sunnvale store, you can't even see the far end for the haze. It's
like a Home Despot for elect -ronic -ical stuff.
paulydak
May 21, 2013, 4:12:05 AM5/21/13
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a coupla years since I've been in the Sunnyvale store, I useta hit it
after I worked the farmer's market booth in Palo Alto. It's super
giant, all right, but sorta wander-y, some walls that set off the
sections, it's tres strange (Wild West?). I know what ya mean,
though; I bet the square footage on display is pretty close. They're
both on a par with the Meijer at which I worked for ten years, and
that had both grocery and general merch, not just the one category,
under one roof; fricken huge....
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Pauly-knows retail
Hactar
May 21, 2013, 8:46:32 PM5/21/13
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So humans have this assumption that an object won't change size, color,
shape, etc. just because you can't see it or its color for a short
time. (Or is that cultural?) What do you call this, and when does it
develop?
shape, etc. just because you can't see it or its color for a short
time. (Or is that cultural?) What do you call this, and when does it
develop?
Captain Infinity
May 21, 2013, 9:38:34 PM5/21/13
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Once Upon A Time,
couldn't see the tiger outside the cave opening it didn't mean they were safe
to take a walk to the outhouse.
I believe it was originally called "tra-la-laAAAAAAAAGH!"
**
Captain Infinity
Hactar wrote:
>So humans have this assumption that an object won't change size, color,
>shape, etc. just because you can't see it or its color for a short
>time. (Or is that cultural?) What do you call this, and when does it
>develop?
It developed shortly after Cro-Magnons learned that just because they
>So humans have this assumption that an object won't change size, color,
>shape, etc. just because you can't see it or its color for a short
>time. (Or is that cultural?) What do you call this, and when does it
>develop?
couldn't see the tiger outside the cave opening it didn't mean they were safe
to take a walk to the outhouse.
I believe it was originally called "tra-la-laAAAAAAAAGH!"
**
Captain Infinity
Howard Hail
May 21, 2013, 9:43:58 PM5/21/13
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ebenZ...@verizon.net (Hactar) wrote in news:84ht6a-...@pc.home:
> So humans have this assumption that an object won't change size, color,
> shape, etc. just because you can't see it or its color for a short
> time. (Or is that cultural?) What do you call this, and when does it
> develop?
Object permanence is probably what you're describing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object_permanence
The old idea is that it fully emerged by age 2, and I think long ago it was
supposed to be limited to humans, but there's newer research saying it's
younger and lots of animals do it.
The Wikipedia article says dogs, cats, monkeys and some birds have it. I
seem to remember reading somewhere that monitor lizards may have it too,
although I could be mixing it up with the ability to count.
> So humans have this assumption that an object won't change size, color,
> shape, etc. just because you can't see it or its color for a short
> time. (Or is that cultural?) What do you call this, and when does it
> develop?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object_permanence
The old idea is that it fully emerged by age 2, and I think long ago it was
supposed to be limited to humans, but there's newer research saying it's
younger and lots of animals do it.
The Wikipedia article says dogs, cats, monkeys and some birds have it. I
seem to remember reading somewhere that monitor lizards may have it too,
although I could be mixing it up with the ability to count.
Greg Goss
May 21, 2013, 9:47:59 PM5/21/13
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ebenZ...@verizon.net (Hactar) wrote:
>So humans have this assumption that an object won't change size, color,
>shape, etc. just because you can't see it or its color for a short
>time. (Or is that cultural?) What do you call this, and when does it
>develop?
I've seen it mentioned on a PBS or Learning Channel show once. They
>So humans have this assumption that an object won't change size, color,
>shape, etc. just because you can't see it or its color for a short
>time. (Or is that cultural?) What do you call this, and when does it
>develop?
showed infants watching an object pass through a "tunnel" (or
double-open paper bag or some other barrier. There's a particular age
where surprise is expressed when the wrong object comes out the other
end. Below that age, whatever comes out is equally interesting.
This sounds like they were measuring what you're asking about. If a
duck goes into the tunnel and a car comes out the other end, something
is wrong with the universe, only if you have learned that things DON'T
change when you're not looking.
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Gus
May 22, 2013, 12:50:01 AM5/22/13
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"Greg Goss" <go...@gossg.org> wrote in message
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programming with shows that were actually educational. I remember seeing
tennis instruction (I think it was Vic Braden), and I came home once and
there was a program about babies. And they showed a woman giving birth...
The crowing, the baby coming out, the afterbirth, the whole shebang. And it
was 3 o'clock in the afternoon. You don't see that on The Learning Channel
these days.
news:b02meb...@mid.individual.net...
> ebenZ...@verizon.net (Hactar) wrote:
>
>>So humans have this assumption that an object won't change size, color,
>>shape, etc. just because you can't see it or its color for a short
>>time. (Or is that cultural?) What do you call this, and when does it
>>develop?
>
> I've seen it mentioned on a PBS or Learning Channel show once. They
> showed infants watching an object pass through a "tunnel"
When cable was new in the 80s The Learning Channel was trying to fill
>
>>So humans have this assumption that an object won't change size, color,
>>shape, etc. just because you can't see it or its color for a short
>>time. (Or is that cultural?) What do you call this, and when does it
>>develop?
>
> I've seen it mentioned on a PBS or Learning Channel show once. They
> showed infants watching an object pass through a "tunnel"
programming with shows that were actually educational. I remember seeing
tennis instruction (I think it was Vic Braden), and I came home once and
there was a program about babies. And they showed a woman giving birth...
The crowing, the baby coming out, the afterbirth, the whole shebang. And it
was 3 o'clock in the afternoon. You don't see that on The Learning Channel
these days.
Bob
May 22, 2013, 1:00:18 AM5/22/13
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On May 21, 9:47 pm, Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
tunnel, to avoid screwing them up for life.
> ebenZERO...@verizon.net (Hactar) wrote:
> >So humans have this assumption that an object won't change size, color,
> >shape, etc. just because you can't see it or its color for a short
> >time. (Or is that cultural?) What do you call this, and when does it
> >develop?
>
> I've seen it mentioned on a PBS or Learning Channel show once. They
> showed infants watching an object pass through a "tunnel" (or
> double-open paper bag or some other barrier. There's a particular age
> where surprise is expressed when the wrong object comes out the other
> end.
I hope they showed them the magic trick afterward by removing the
> >So humans have this assumption that an object won't change size, color,
> >shape, etc. just because you can't see it or its color for a short
> >time. (Or is that cultural?) What do you call this, and when does it
> >develop?
>
> I've seen it mentioned on a PBS or Learning Channel show once. They
> showed infants watching an object pass through a "tunnel" (or
> double-open paper bag or some other barrier. There's a particular age
> where surprise is expressed when the wrong object comes out the other
> end.
tunnel, to avoid screwing them up for life.
rroger
May 22, 2013, 7:26:32 AM5/22/13
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Greg Goss
May 22, 2013, 10:34:44 AM5/22/13
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By participating in this experiment, the baby learns that sometimes
you DO see a duck go behind something and a car emerges.
Bob is speculating that undermining the learning of object permanence
could impair that step of brain development. As a result, the person
might become an artist, a Vegas magician, or perhaps a religious
believer.
I'm skeptical that a couple of hours in a science experiment at 1 year
old would have any impact on brain development.
Stanley Daniel de Liver
May 22, 2013, 5:44:17 PM5/22/13
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actual childbirth experience as seen from v. viewpoints is like, almost up
to the point of actually sho... ah well no, not *that* far. Good lord.
>
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It's a money /life balance.
Bob
May 22, 2013, 6:16:34 PM5/22/13
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On May 22, 10:34 am, Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
Even if it doesn't, it's a mean thing to do to a child. And I
wouldn't call it "brain development", I'd call it "learning". I admit
that a few observ'ns that came out funny would tend not to overcome
their general experience, but, especially at an early age, it would
tend to induce doubt unnecessarily, and distrust once the ruse was
discovered.
Bob in the Bronx
wouldn't call it "brain development", I'd call it "learning". I admit
that a few observ'ns that came out funny would tend not to overcome
their general experience, but, especially at an early age, it would
tend to induce doubt unnecessarily, and distrust once the ruse was
discovered.
Bob in the Bronx
Tim Wright
May 22, 2013, 6:38:11 PM5/22/13
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of a wet St. Bernard trying to come in the cat door.
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Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell
the color nine.
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