MIAMI, (Reuters) - The Justice Department and the FBI are investigating the fatal shooting of an unarmed carjacking suspect by a Miami policeman who has killed three other suspects in the line of duty, a federal official said Thursday.
U.S. Attorney Tom Scott promised a ``thorough and diligent'' investigation that would be carried out as soon as possible.
Antonio Butler, 19, was shot and killed by Miami Police Sgt. Juan Mendez on Sept. 20 as he climbed over a fence with police in pursuit. Police reports said Butler was unarmed but had been driving a car that was hijacked at gunpoint a day earlier, and was fleeing after crashing the car into a pole.
Mendez told investigators that Butler turned and reached for his waist as he climbed the fence, and that he fired because he thought Butler was reaching for a gun. The officer was placed on desk duty with pay.
The Miami Police Department and the state attorney's office were already investigating the shooting.
Mendez has shot and killed three other suspects while on duty since joining the Miami police force in 1984, and shot and wounded a fourth. He was also the subject of numerous use-of-force complaints.
Butler's mother has alleged that the policeman was ``trigger happy,'' and the minister who gave Butler's eulogy described it as ``cold-blooded murder, hiding behind a badge.''
After Butler's funeral on Monday, 300 mourners protested outside the city police station and urged that Mendez be fired from the force and charged in the shooting.
Internal investigations into the other fatal shootings Mendez was involved in concluded they were justified. One involved a man who fired a rifle inside his girlfriend's house, then aimed it at police. Another involved a man who had just shot up a bar, fatally wounding the owner's son. The third involved a man shooting at the apartment of a woman who had rejected him.
Police said no other Miami officer had shot as many people, but noted that Mendez worked the late-night shift in some of the city's roughest neighborhoods.
19:01 09-30-99
"There is no land beyond the law, where tyrants rule with unshakable power. It is but a dream from which the evil wake to face their fate, their terrifying hour." -Wesley Dodds.
> rad...@bigfoot.commmmmmmm wrote: > : On 01 Oct 1999 13:01:40 GMT, hpstrdu...@aol.commissar (Dutch Courage) wrote:
> :>MIAMI, (Reuters) - The Justice Department and the FBI are investigating the > :>fatal shooting of an unarmed carjacking suspect by a Miami policeman who has > :>killed three other suspects in the line of duty, a federal official said > :>Thursday.
According to the witnesses the suspect appeared to reach for something when he was shot.
> rad...@bigfoot.commmmmmmm wrote: > : On 01 Oct 1999 13:01:40 GMT, hpstrdu...@aol.commissar (Dutch Courage) wrote:
> :>MIAMI, (Reuters) - The Justice Department and the FBI are investigating the > :>fatal shooting of an unarmed carjacking suspect by a Miami policeman who has > :>killed three other suspects in the line of duty, a federal official said > :>Thursday.
> : Kinda cuts down on the number of carjackers, doesn't it?! =:^) Don't have to > : feed the asshole during his likely 60 days in jail.
> Posts like this just make me wish that some day you'll find yourself > running from a cop who thinks you've committed a crime.
Well I don't agree with shooting just anyone, but the suspect had committed a crime.
: : On 01 Oct 1999 13:01:40 GMT, hpstrdu...@aol.commissar (Dutch Courage) wrote:
: :>MIAMI, (Reuters) - The Justice Department and the FBI are investigating the : :>fatal shooting of an unarmed carjacking suspect by a Miami policeman who has : :>killed three other suspects in the line of duty, a federal official said : :>Thursday.
: : Kinda cuts down on the number of carjackers, doesn't it?! =:^) Don't have to : : feed the asshole during his likely 60 days in jail.
: Posts like this just make me wish that some day you'll find yourself : running from a cop who thinks you've committed a crime.
: --Art
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ra-duh-...@bigfoot.mommmmmmmmm! Dutch is picking on me! shouldn't have even bothered:
>On 01 Oct 1999 13:01:40 GMT, hpstrdu...@aol.commissar (Dutch Courage) wrote:
>>MIAMI, (Reuters) - The Justice Department and the FBI are investigating the >>fatal shooting of an unarmed carjacking suspect by a Miami policeman who has >>killed three other suspects in the line of duty, a federal official said >>Thursday.
>Kinda cuts down on the number of carjackers, doesn't it?! =:^)
Ooo! A smiley! Has Dr. H. been recruiting?
> Don't have >to >feed the asshole during his likely 60 days in jail.
A modest proposal from Geno, shoot the poor!
>>Antonio Butler, 19, was shot and killed by Miami Police Sgt. Juan Mendez on >>Sept. 20 as he climbed over a fence with police in pursuit. Police reports >said >>Butler was unarmed but had been driving a car that was hijacked at gunpoint >a >>day earlier, and was fleeing after crashing the car into a pole.
>Poor sweet loveable Antonio!
I don't think anyone was suggesting he was a nice guy. Still, if you were shot, I'd want your killer brought to justice.
> My heart bleeds! Ohmigawd, how terrible!
Only a rat would shoot a guy in the back.
>And he >was >just going to the store to get a loaf of bread for his Mom, right? Or a model >car for his baby brother.
No, he was fleeing from the cops. But I repeat, only a rat would shoot a guy in the back.
>Did the cop know that poor little innocent Antonio was unarmed? Or that the >fleeing suspect hadn't just committed a murder along with the carjacking, as >happens pretty regularly?
Doesn't matter; he was climbing over a fence. Can't use lethal force because that's the way John Wayne woulda done it.
>Now ... explain how the cop is automatically a racist. Suspect: Antonio. Cop: >Juan. Both Hispanic names. Are they both Hispanic? Even if Antonio is >African-American or something else, why would Sgt. Mendez be tarred with the >epithet "racist"? Oh, that's right ... consider the lowly source.
This cop has caused something like three riots, now.
>>Mendez told investigators that Butler turned and reached for his waist as he >>climbed the fence, and that he fired because he thought Butler was reaching >for >>a gun. The officer was placed on desk duty with pay.
>Sounds very reasonable.
No, it doesn't at all, and if there's any justice in Miami, Officer stupid is going down. Heh. My heart almost bleeds for him in prison, passed around for kools. Almost.
> Our should the expendable officer have waited to be >shot >at first?
He should've waited until lethal force was reasonable, but it's obvious from his record he's not good at that.
>>Butler's mother has alleged that the policeman was ``trigger happy,'' and >the >>minister who gave Butler's eulogy described it as ``cold-blooded murder, >hiding >>behind a badge.''
>So Sharpton's influence can be felt in Miami, now. Sheesh.
Is there anything so egregious you won't defend it, Geno?
>Butler's mother also has alleged that her little sweetie would never commit >anything like a carjacking. So what was he doing driving the carjacked car?
Oh, he stole a car. Well, that sure merits a death penalty, especially from a cop who say Dirty Harry one too many times.
>>After Butler's funeral on Monday, 300 mourners protested outside the city >>police station and urged that Mendez be fired from the force and charged in >the >>shooting.
>Because he's a Hispanic, he's automatically guilty of murdering a poor >innocent >carjacker?
No, because he shot an unarmed man who was climbing a fence, he's a menace to society. He's worse than a carjacker, can I shoot him?
>>Internal investigations into the other fatal shootings Mendez was involved >in >>concluded they were justified.
>So, what's the point of the current brouhaha? Oh, I know ... All the >investigators of the previous cases were racists, too.
Well, and cops lie to cover each other.
>Right HamsterPhuk?
>>Police said no other Miami officer had shot as many people, but noted that >>Mendez worked the late-night shift in some of the city's roughest >>neighborhoods.
>Again, DoofuzPhartz, what is your point?
The cop is a loose cannon, a menace to society. I notice you clipped the part about his excessive force complaints. on what do you base your claim that
>the >officer is a racist? (Or for that matter, that Scott is?)
Well, come on, do you read the things Scott writes?
> How about admitting >that -- although the press report conveniently ignored his probable arrest >record -- this suspect was, in all likelihood, just another scumsucking >bottomfeeder.
Oh, I'm sure he was. It just doesn't matter.
> I don't know what the perp's racial background was. It doesn't >matter. It's immaterial.
Right; that just adds to what a creep Menendez is.
"There is no land beyond the law, where tyrants rule with unshakable power. It is but a dream from which the evil wake to face their fate, their terrifying hour." -Wesley Dodds.
> rad...@bigfoot.commmmmmmm wrote: > : On 01 Oct 1999 13:01:40 GMT, hpstrdu...@aol.commissar (Dutch Courage) wrote:
> :>MIAMI, (Reuters) - The Justice Department and the FBI are investigating the > :>fatal shooting of an unarmed carjacking suspect by a Miami policeman who has > :>killed three other suspects in the line of duty, a federal official said > :>Thursday.
> : Kinda cuts down on the number of carjackers, doesn't it?! =:^) Don't have to > : feed the asshole during his likely 60 days in jail.
> Posts like this just make me wish that some day you'll find yourself > running from a cop who thinks you've committed a crime.
I dunno... I've never had any occasion to run from a cop, having committed a crime or not. Seems like doing so might contribute to the outcome, somehow.
"Bob Ward" rcw...@gte.net writes: >Scratchie <AgitatorsB...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:7w9J3.194$QB2.44750@news.shore.net... >> rad...@bigfoot.commmmmmmm wrote: >> : On 01 Oct 1999 13:01:40 GMT, hpstrdu...@aol.commissar (Dutch Courage) >wrote:
>> :>MIAMI, (Reuters) - The Justice Department and the FBI are investigating >the >> :>fatal shooting of an unarmed carjacking suspect by a Miami policeman who >has >> :>killed three other suspects in the line of duty, a federal official said >> :>Thursday.
>> : Kinda cuts down on the number of carjackers, doesn't it?! =:^) Don't >have to >> : feed the asshole during his likely 60 days in jail.
>> Posts like this just make me wish that some day you'll find yourself >> running from a cop who thinks you've committed a crime.
>I dunno... I've never had any occasion to run from a cop, having committed a >crime or not.
Hmmm. Yeah, well, that's a class difference at work. How to manipulate the system. Must be part of why some of us think of traffic stops as something you sit in your car during.
> Seems like doing so might contribute to the outcome, somehow.
If you're shot while fleeing, that cop fucked up. Cops who fuck up too bad or too often are a menace to society, as sure as car jackers. Maybe worse.
Is the perp a creep? Prolly. Should cops use lethal force in potentially lethal situations? Sure, you bet. Was this one? I dunno, can you get a gun out when you're climbing a fence? Me, I'd need both hands, how about you? Does power come with responsibility and review? You bet your ass, kid.
Oh, and Julie, let's do it another way. Say your kid decides to break the law someday. That might happen; lots of people break the law, and they all have mothers. Now, let's say some cop or even rent-a-guard has his manly on and shoots your kid dead when he's climbing a fence to get away, all over a TV, a pair of sneakers, or even just the way your kid reaching in his jacket. That okay with you?
"There is no land beyond the law, where tyrants rule with unshakable power. It is but a dream from which the evil wake to face their fate, their terrifying hour." -Wesley Dodds.
mrmrsir...@aol.com.goaway (MrMrsIrish) writes: >>> Don't have >>>to >>>feed the asshole during his likely 60 days in jail.
>> A modest proposal from Geno, shoot the poor!
>Oh, Good Lord...
Careful, you're going to be the chick who prayed "wolf," and you might need the big G in the sky if someone leaves a blanket over a night light.
>. I feel another "being poor is an excuse for criminal >behavior" post coming on.
No, you feel another "why do you begrudge people a baloney sandwich and a cot while they await trail?" coming on.
> I think I'm gonna barf.
How do you think I feel?
>I don't care whether someone is dirt poor or wearing ten Rolexes... if they >make like they are reaching for a weapon, I'm going to get them before they >get >me.
Ah, good. And if you shoot them while they're climbing a fence, I'm going to get you before you get someone else.
> I'm sure Mr. Mendez has a family who would like for him to come home, >too.
He keeps this up, and he might not have a city to come back to.
>In order to protect Butler and Butler's family from the consequences of his >own >poor choices,
'm sorry, I wasn't aware the penalty for fleeing and eluding was a bullet in the back.
>However, it does make a much better and more dramatic statement to say that >he >was shot because he was poor rather than he was shot because he was a stupid >criminal who made a threatening move toward a police officer who then felt >the >need to protect himself.
I don't think he made a threatening move. He was climbing a fence, that usually takes both hands, and requires concetration just to keep from falling. I think it's more likely cops are lying to cover another cop, as cops will do.
I also wonder why Geno has a problem with feeding convicts, and if that applies to people who can't get their own food together in general, see?
"There is no land beyond the law, where tyrants rule with unshakable power. It is but a dream from which the evil wake to face their fate, their terrifying hour." -Wesley Dodds.
Well, Fine, Bill. I'm going to keep calling a spade a spade as I see it, so you might as well. I'm not going to be nice, because I define the set of all ideas best met with contempt more broadly than you do. I wade in with both hands, Irish up, ready to mix it up.
but I wonder why you haven't plonked Scott. Nearly everything he posts is a troll. "Let's bash Clinton," and "Let's bash Michael Jackson," and "those darn liberals, did you see what they said today?" It's pretty obvious he's a racist, how many more people have to say so before you see it? Hell, even Deb thinks so.
So I just wonder at your agenda here.
"There is no land beyond the law, where tyrants rule with unshakable power. It is but a dream from which the evil wake to face their fate, their terrifying hour." -Wesley Dodds.
Dutch Cowardice wrote: > >The title alone is a troll. Good-bye Dutch.
> >Plonk.
> Well, Fine, Bill. I'm going to keep calling a spade a spade as I see it, so > you might as well. I'm not going to be nice, because I define the set of all > ideas best met with contempt more broadly than you do. I wade in with both > hands, Irish up, ready to mix it up.
It'd be interesting to know what "spade" it is that you saw in the article to describe as such. I didn't see that the article said anything about the ethnic background of either the criminal or of the officer who shot it. Perhaps your knee-jerk use of the term "racist" supports what I have already observed, that the vast majority of the time that the term "racist" is used, it really has nothing literally to do with racism, but rather with the horrible offense of failing to agree, on some other issue, with the person using the term.
Though the article doesn't explicitly mention race, it's interesting to note that the "racist" cop who shot the criminal is named "Juan Mendez", a name that suggests him to be of recent Hispanic ancestry, while the criminal's name is "Antonio Butler", a name that could quite easily belong to someone of pure Caucasian ancestry. Isn't it a fairly solidly established doctrine of Political Correctness that a Hispanic committing any act against a Caucasian can't possibly be doing so for racist motives?
> but I wonder why you haven't plonked Scott. Nearly everything he posts is a > troll. "Let's bash Clinton," and "Let's bash Michael Jackson," and "those darn > liberals, did you see what they said today?" It's pretty obvious he's a racist, > how many more people have to say so before you see it? Hell, even Deb thinks > so.
As I already mentioned, it's been my observation that the term "racist" is nearly always applied for reasons having nothing to do with literal racism, but rather for failing to mindlessly agree with the Political Correctness movement. The real racists, the most destructive among them, at least, are seldom branded with this label. Of course there are the few idiots who subscribe to Neo-Nazi or KKK or similar varieties of whitesupremacism, but these are few, and insignificant in influence to the real racists, who are the ones demanding, and getting, special treatment in for their preferred races in the form of "Affirmative Action", quotas in hiring or college admissions, and other special priveleges granted only members of various minority groups.
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mrmrsir...@aol.com.goaway (MrMrsIrish) writes: >>>I dunno... I've never had any occasion to run from a cop, having committed >a >>>crime or not.
>> Hmmm. Yeah, well, that's a class difference at work. How to manipulate the >>system. Must be part of why some of us think of traffic stops as something >>you >>sit in your car during.
>George, how in the hell is running from the police a "class difference"?
Hmm. I imagine it has to do with expectations of the level of fairness you can recieve, and etc.
>Why >is everything about race and class with you?
It's easier than pretending they don't exist, either.
>In college I briefly dated a real idiot who, on one occassion, ran from the >cops after he was pulled over on his way home from a frat party. (He was >from >one of those nice houses on the lake in Rockwall.) I figure he did it >because >he was afraid of the consequences of driving after one too many jello shots. >If you're poor, it's a "class difference". If you aren't, it's pure >stupidity?
I dunno. However, as a white person who doesn't drop his "G" at the end of a gerund I'm familiar with the system to a degree I'd know to get my ticket, or even go off to the poke, co-operate so as not to recieve a horrible beating, and find out how much money I have to pay a lawyer to make it all go away.
> level does it stop being about class and start being >about being afraid of the consequences for your actions?
I dunno if its being afraid of the consequences of your actions so much as a reasonable expectation of some combination of justice and/or being able to manipulate the system to my advantage.
>>Oh, and Julie, let's do it another way. Say your kid decides to break the >law >>someday. That might happen; lots of people break the law, and they all have >>mothers. Now, let's say some cop or even rent-a-guard has his manly on and >>shoots your kid dead when he's climbing a fence to get away, all over a TV, >a >>pair of sneakers, or even just the way your kid reaching in his jacket. That >>okay with you?
>Nope, it wouldn't be okay with me. In fact, in my terrible grief, I would >probably shake my fist at the cop, shake my fist at society, and shake my >fist >at God. I would cry and pull out my hair and gnash my teeth and scream at >the >world because that would be easier than looking at myself and wondering where >I >failed in teaching him right and wrong or looking at my dead son and blaming >him for his own actions. Understandable, totally expected.... but still >wrong.
Huh. So cops can just shoot whoever they like?
>Though we always freakin' disagree, George, you know I think you're great! >(I really do, people!) BTW, I'm looking forward to seeing who this "Scott" >person is. Being so new to afca, I probably have a lot to catch up on.
He's the guy who gave us that cool thread about JFK Jr. you thought so highly of, 'member?
"There is no land beyond the law, where tyrants rule with unshakable power. It is but a dream from which the evil wake to face their fate, their terrifying hour." -Wesley Dodds.
>> Well, Fine, Bill. I'm going to keep calling a spade a spade as I see it, >so >> you might as well. I'm not going to be nice, because I define the set of >all >> ideas best met with contempt more broadly than you do. I wade in with both >> hands, Irish up, ready to mix it up.
> It'd be interesting to know what "spade" it is that you saw in the article >to >describe as such.
Oh, I meant Scott. I dunno if BB would react that way if I had simply posted somethign like "cowboy cop goes nutso."
> I didn't see that the article said anything about the >ethnic >background of either the criminal or of the officer who shot it.
Antonio Butler is not a white guy's name.
>Perhaps >your >knee-jerk use of the term "racist" supports what I have already observed, >that the >vast majority of the time that the term "racist" is used, it really has >nothing >literally to do with racism, but rather with the horrible offense of failing >to >agree, on some other issue, with the person using the term.
Huh. Well, I dunno where you get that from, but its a fact most of the time someone says something is racist they know what they are talking about. PS, this ain't Alt-furious-caucasion-andros, dig?
> Though the article doesn't explicitly mention race, it's interesting to >note >that the "racist" cop who shot the criminal is named "Juan Mendez", a name >that >suggests him to be of recent Hispanic ancestry, while the criminal's name is >"Antonio Butler", a name that could quite easily belong to someone of pure >Caucasian ancestry.
Generally white people who have names like "Antonio" have last names that end in a vowel.
>> but I wonder why you haven't plonked Scott. Nearly everything he posts is a >> troll. "Let's bash Clinton," and "Let's bash Michael Jackson," and "those >darn >> liberals, did you see what they said today?" It's pretty obvious he's a >racist, >> how many more people have to say so before you see it? Hell, even Deb >thinks >> so.
> As I already mentioned, it's been my observation that the term "racist" is >nearly always applied for reasons having nothing to do with literal racism,
Well, then you observe wrong, and deserve a good hard "plonk" yourself.
>but >rather for failing to mindlessly agree with the Political Correctness >movement.
You know, tolerance, equality, those good things. Me, I've noticed people who complain about "political correctness" are snively white men who are bummed that they might ever have to play fair.
>The real racists, the most destructive among them, at least, are seldom >branded >with this label.
What, politically correct? You bet.
> Of course there are the few idiots who subscribe to >Neo-Nazi or >KKK or similar varieties of whitesupremacism, but these are few, and >insignificant >in influence to the real racists, who are the ones demanding, and getting, >special >treatment in for their preferred races in the form of "Affirmative Action", >quotas >in hiring or college admissions, and other special priveleges granted only >members >of various minority groups.
That's just asinine, Bob, not that I am surprised. Afirmative Action doesn't limit the opportunity of all but the laziest and least qualified white people.
Of course, those are usually the ones I notice complaining about it.
I mean, really, man, do you think racism is limited to KKK types?
"There is no land beyond the law, where tyrants rule with unshakable power. It is but a dream from which the evil wake to face their fate, their terrifying hour." -Wesley Dodds.
>> Though the article doesn't explicitly mention race, it's interesting to >note >> that the "racist" cop who shot the criminal is named "Juan Mendez", a name >that >> suggests him to be of recent Hispanic ancestry, while the criminal's name >is >> "Antonio Butler", a name that could quite easily belong to someone of pure >> Caucasian ancestry.
>How about a Thought Experiment?
Well, but that presupposes either one of you can think, something which reamins to be demonstrated.
>What would the "cry racism" mob
You know, the black community of Miami. Sounds like they are pretty upset, and have been pretty upset over this sort of thing for quite some time. I wonder, despite what Irish and Geno and Scott and not-Bob say (The cry "no racism, boy" mob, who coincidentally are all white) why residents of large cities do not expect justice from the cops, why they figure it's "cold blooded murder hiding behind a badge." When white people get shot by cops, do white people say "No Justice, No Peace" and go burn something down? Are black people rational?
> say if this unwarranted assumption (that >the carjacker was a person of color)
Oops! For safety's sake, never assume ol' Dutch hasn't looked into something he posts.
> had been made by one of their online >interlocutors? Perhaps by a "racist cop?"
It depends on if he's black or not. I originally heard this story on NPR yesterday morning, but couldn't find a transcript. Interestingly, the AOL news doesn't mention the man's race, or make much of the community outcry it and the context of this sort of thing in Miami. What happened to the ::cue spooky music:: LIBERAL MEDIA!?!?!?!
NPR's Cheryl Devall reports from Miami where a police shooting of a black resident is causing anger in a city that has seen similar incidents in the past few years. During the 1980s there were riots following the deaths of Miami residents by police. This time, it has been discovered that the officer under question has a record of shooting incidents. (3:51)
>They, of course, immediately make this assumption.
>-- >Scott K. Stafford ><sco...@UNSPAM.together.net> >******************************** >Then the ape grew very depressed >Went through Transactional Analysis >He plays racquetball and runs in the rain >Still he's shackled to a platinum chain
"There is no land beyond the law, where tyrants rule with unshakable power. It is but a dream from which the evil wake to face their fate, their terrifying hour." -Wesley Dodds.
>> I wonder, >>despite what Irish and Geno and Scott and not-Bob say (The cry "no racism, >>boy" >>mob, who coincidentally are all white)...
>Ooh, and I'm blonde haired and blue eyed, too! Do I get my >naughty-white-person decoder ring with an extra sparkly stone?
No, you get a year's supply of swine. Devil.
"There is no land beyond the law, where tyrants rule with unshakable power. It is but a dream from which the evil wake to face their fate, their terrifying hour." -Wesley Dodds.
mrmrsir...@aol.com.goaway (MrMrsIrish) writes: >>>> I wonder, >>>>despite what Irish and Geno and Scott and not-Bob say (The cry "no racism, >>>>boy" >>>>mob, who coincidentally are all white)...
>>>Ooh, and I'm blonde haired and blue eyed, too! Do I get my >>>naughty-white-person decoder ring with an extra sparkly stone?
>> No, you get a year's supply of swine. Devil.
>Uh oh... Three questions:
>Now that I'm a "devil", do you think Prestonwood Baptist will still let me >teach Sunday School?
Oh, sure. Look at all the pictures of J the C you've got there; is he a white guy?
> Will the horns interfere with my hairdo?
I don't know.
>Is that swine >low-fat, and where on earth would I keep it with my limited refrigerator >space?
Just keep it in your shirt pocket. White people smell like baloney anyway.
"There is no land beyond the law, where tyrants rule with unshakable power. It is but a dream from which the evil wake to face their fate, their terrifying hour." -Wesley Dodds.
Sgt. Mendez is a hero! This is merely an attempt by the criminal element to stop a dedicated officer. The Way Cool Reverend ULC! who says we should nail 'em to crosses like they did in the days of true justice.
mrmrsir...@aol.com.goaway (MrMrsIrish) writes: > >>Now that I'm a "devil", do you think Prestonwood Baptist will still let me > >>teach Sunday School?
> > Oh, sure. Look at all the pictures of J the C you've got there; is he a > >white guy?
> Hmmmm... well, He's jewish, so I guess He does fit the > "white"category.
It isn't any big mystery what Jesus looked like -- people still live in that region and if he DIDN'T look like them (i.e. dark hair and eyes, olive skin), someone would have mentioned it.
> Jesus wasn't born a jew just to piss you off, George.
That's just a side benefit.
> The facts are the man was of > jewish descent, so to have a picture of a black or hispanic Jesus on the wall > would be a tad odd.
As do the fey-Nordic Jesus the Fag Viking paintings a lot of Americans favor.
> God Himself, on the other hand, is not a "color" or > "race".
Or a "sex", of course.
> Last I checked your pic on Opal's site, George, you're a white guy. What do > you smell like?
Really?
> By the way, has a black person *ever* done or said anything racist, or is that > somehow different and/or excusable?
