Raw Eggs in Foods
Brettster
surprised to see a new label warning not to eat the raw dough. I
Googled the warning and found the purported reason: the dough contains
raw eggs, which are considered unsafe to eat. (I guess things have
changed since the days of Rocky Balboa.) If this is true, why is
eggnog still on the market? Raw eggs still seem to be among the
ingredients in eggnog. Do they do something magical to the eggnog to
render the eggs safe, and if so, why don't they do the same thing to
the cookie dough?
David J. Martin
I haven't checked my local grocery, but this article says that most
commercial eggnogs are pasteurized. It says adding booze to the nog
will reduce potential risks. It also mentions pasteurized eggs, which
some people say are becoming more common, but I haven't noticed them.
http://www.extension.iastate.edu/foodsafety/news/fsnews.cfm?newsid=16092
David
plausible prose man
> I bought a package of ready-to-bake cookie dough the other day and was
> surprised to see a new label warning not to eat the raw dough. I
> Googled the warning and found the purported reason: the dough contains
> raw eggs, which are considered unsafe to eat. (I guess things have
> changed since the days of Rocky Balboa.) If this is true, why is
> eggnog still on the market? Raw eggs still seem to be among the
> ingredients in eggnog.
Eggnog is typically pasteurized.
http://www.organicvalley.coop/products/milk-and-cream/eggnog/ultra-pasteurized-32-oz/
>Do they do something magical to the eggnog to
> render the eggs safe, and if so, why don't they do the same thing to
> the cookie dough?
Because it costs a little more, and they expect you to bake cookies
with it.
Les Albert
To eliminate the possbility of salmonella in eggs the eggs in eggnog
are from disease free chickens raised specifically for that purpose.
They live in sterile stainless steel enclosures, and they are not
allowed to come in contact with any other animals or humans. The eggs
they lay roll down an incline directly into the packaging material in
which the eggs are sent to the eggnoggery. If they did the same thing
for cookie dough then your Oreos would probably cost about $5 each.
Les
Bill Turlock
Hmmm... they made it past your eyes.
> http://www.extension.iastate.edu/foodsafety/news/fsnews.cfm?newsid=16092
>
> David
plausible prose man
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:38:44 -0800 (PST), Brettster
>
> >I bought a package of ready-to-bake cookie dough the other day and was
> >surprised to see a new label warning not to eat the raw dough. I
> >Googled the warning and found the purported reason: the dough contains
> >raw eggs, which are considered unsafe to eat. (I guess things have
> >changed since the days of Rocky Balboa.) If this is true, why is
> >eggnog still on the market? Raw eggs still seem to be among the
> >ingredients in eggnog. Do they do something magical to the eggnog to
> >render the eggs safe, and if so, why don't they do the same thing to
> >the cookie dough?
>
> To eliminate the possbility of salmonella in eggs the eggs in eggnog
> are from disease free chickens raised specifically for that purpose.
> They live in sterile stainless steel enclosures, and they are not
> allowed to come in contact with any other animals or humans. The eggs
> they lay roll down an incline directly into the packaging material in
> which the eggs are sent to the eggnoggery.
every word of this is true.
Dana Carpender
Five-six years back, on another newsgroup, a woman with degrees in
public health and... food something, I disremember -- said that
something like one in every 12000 uncracked, properly refrigerated eggs
has salmonella. I eat somewhere in the neighborhood of 900-1000 eggs
per year (2-3 per day, sometimes more). That's one contaminated egg
every 12 years or so. What are the odds it's going to be the one I put
in the pie I made last week? Which didn't make anyone sick, BTW.
I have also read the statement that your risk of salmonella with any
uncracked, properly refrigerated egg is considerably less than your risk
of breaking a leg on any given trip down the stairs. I haven't noticed
stair hysteria breaking out.
The whole food safety thing has become hysterically overblown. I'll
take my chances with a little raw batter or homemade mayo now and then.
Dana
Brettster
<ducking>
Kajikit
Because pasteurised eggs are expensive...
You used to be able to buy them at Albertsons but I was going to get
get some to make my own eggnog and they don't have them any more. :(
Funny, I've never worried about eating raw cookie dough or licking the
beater... but eggnog makes me think 'raw egg = bad'.
Anyway, they put all sorts of silly overly cautious warnings onto
packaging...
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John Hatpin
> Thanks to all! I feel so egg-ucated now.
>
> <ducking>
So is your education ova?
--
John Hatpin
http://uninformedcomment.wordpress.com/
Bob Ward
<brett...@gmail.com> wrote:
The Pasteurization takes care of it.
Bob Ward
"Gimme 49 gallons of milk - I want to take a milk bath,"
Pasteurized?
"No, just up to my neck."
Don K
news:heeu1c$6qf$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> The whole food safety thing has become hysterically overblown. I'll take my chances
> with a little raw batter or homemade mayo now and then.
A surf and turf combo of cookie dough battered sushi fishsticks, drowned
in eggnog topping with a mound of steak tartare and a dollop of homemade
mayo on the side will surely put either hair on your chest or bacilli in your gut.
Don
Les Albert
"Truth is stranger than fiction, and a 1,000 times more exciting.".
Les
Dana Carpender
> Brettster wrote:
>
>> Thanks to all! I feel so egg-ucated now.
>>
>> <ducking>
>
> So is your education ova?
Some funny yolk.
Dana
Dana Carpender
Have you seen Sign of the Cross? Early De Mille talkie, with Claudette
Colbert as Nero's wife Poppea. She takes a bath in asses milk; you get
a quick nipple shot. For many of you gentlemen, that should justify the
rental right there.
Dana
Greg Goss
I remember reading a news item about ten or fifteen years back.
Canadian eggs were being smuggled into New York to be used raw in
various Italian dishes that call for raw eggs. Supposedly at that
time, salmonella was much rarer in Canuck eggs than in the American
version.
--
Tomorrow is today already.
Greg Goss, 1989-01-27
Bill Turlock
Mmm... smuggled eggs! Better than coddled.
John Hatpin
Unborn Canadian chickens?
Rick B.
> I remember reading a news item about ten or fifteen years back.
> Canadian eggs were being smuggled into New York
so they could kill the unborn Canadian chickens.
(sorry, that had to come out)
Lee Ayrton
[snip]
> I have also read the statement that your risk of salmonella with any
> uncracked, properly refrigerated egg is considerably less than your risk
> of breaking a leg on any given trip down the stairs. I haven't noticed
> stair hysteria breaking out.
>
> The whole food safety thing has become hysterically overblown. I'll
> take my chances with a little raw batter or homemade mayo now and then.
See, that's the curious thing about food in western culture. We've
elevated our fetishes and worries to the level of religion, where belief
trumps fact.
Boron Elgar
wrote:
I have some rhino horn to sell you.
Boron
Heather
Now that raises a point about USian eating habits that I find odd. Why
should people who eat so much sushi, raw or almost raw meat and so
many pre-prepared salad greens worry so much about the fairly remote
possibility of eating a salmonella contaminated egg?
--
Heather
Tim Wright
mamby pamby, lily livered, please somebody protect me from the
possibility of having a good time, twits. Most of us realize that our
time on this planet is too short to waste being worried about things we
have little control over.
--
Tim W
The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price,
peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft
living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.
Theodore Roosevelt
Xho Jingleheimerschmidt
> Don't paint all USians with that brush. We're not all hand wringing,
> mamby pamby, lily livered, please somebody protect me from the
> possibility of having a good time, twits. Most of us realize that our
> time on this planet is too short to waste being worried about things we
> have little control over.
You have little control over whether you eat raw eggs?
Xho
huey.c...@gmail.com
> Heather wrote:
> > Now that raises a point about USian eating habits that I find odd.
> > Why should people who eat so much sushi, raw or almost raw meat and
> > so many pre-prepared salad greens worry so much about the fairly
> > remote possibility of eating a salmonella contaminated egg?
> Don't paint all USians with that brush. We're not all hand wringing,
> mamby pamby, lily livered, please somebody protect me from the
> possibility of having a good time, twits. Most of us realize that our
> time on this planet is too short to waste being worried about things
> we have little control over.
Based on observations of popular culture, tabloid magazines, 'reality
television', cable news networks, and public opinion polls, I think it's
probably a more sound suggestion that 'most of us' are dumber than a
pocketful of tomato juice.
--
Huey
Bob E.
When he wakes up in the morning, there are eggshells all around the bed,
and his beard has soft peaks.
--Bob
Bill Turlock
Shows how dumb you are! That's "a shoeful of tomato juice".
Bill "there's instructions on the bottom" Turlock
Lee Ayrton
> Because pasteurised eggs are expensive...
>
> You used to be able to buy them at Albertsons but I was going to get
> get some to make my own eggnog and they don't have them any more. :(
> Funny, I've never worried about eating raw cookie dough or licking the
> beater... but eggnog makes me think 'raw egg = bad'.
Same here. But can't you get "egg product" that has been pasturized? I
thought that like the fat-free egg product there was a whole egg frozen
product.
> Anyway, they put all sorts of silly overly cautious warnings onto
> packaging...
Defensive labeling. On my FB page i've got a snapshot of a label on an
18,000 watt movie light. The label warns that it is "not for residential
use". The thing is the size of a clotheswasher, weights something north
of 100 pounds and requires 90 amps a leg at 220 volts. Residential use?
Lee Ayrton
>>
>> "Gimme 49 gallons of milk - I want to take a milk bath,"
>>
>> Pasteurized?
>>
>> "No, just up to my neck."
>>
>
> Have you seen Sign of the Cross? Early De Mille talkie, with Claudette
> Colbert as Nero's wife Poppea. She takes a bath in asses milk; you get
> a quick nipple shot. For many of you gentlemen, that should justify the
> rental right there.
It would, but the return on investment would be much higher had it been
Myrna Loy.
Lee
> Heather wrote:
> > On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:10:41 -0500, "Don K" <d...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >>news:heeu1c$6qf$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >>> The whole food safety thing has become hysterically overblown. I'll take my chances
> >>> with a little raw batter or homemade mayo now and then.
> >> A surf and turf combo of cookie dough battered sushi fishsticks, drowned
> >> in eggnog topping with a mound of steak tartare and a dollop of homemade
> >> mayo on the side will surely put either hair on your chest or bacilli in your gut.
>
> > Now that raises a point about USian eating habits that I find odd. Why
> > should people who eat so much sushi, raw or almost raw meat and so
> > many pre-prepared salad greens worry so much about the fairly remote
> > possibility of eating a salmonella contaminated egg?
>
> Don't paint all USians with that brush. We're not all hand wringing,
> mamby pamby, lily livered, please somebody protect me from the
> possibility of having a good time, twits. Most of us realize that our
> time on this planet is too short to waste being worried about things we
> have little control over.
>
All I am worried about is how rapidly evolution will generate for us
stylus shaped fingers that will make using PDAs easier to use that are
nonetheless not so pointy that they will damage the screen.
Mark Steese
news:s5SdnXpS4tBrKZHW...@speakeasy.net:
But not as sound as the suggestion that a single person's subjective, and
necessarily incomplete, observations of pop culture, tabloids, reality TV
shows, cable news networks, and pollsters' findings will not produce an
accurate assessment of their overall content, much less lead to an accurate
inference of what that content reveals about most people's intelligence.
--
Mark Steese
=======================================================================
PS: Your second question, you thought I forgot? I didn't. I never found the
banana slug. - William Least Heat-Moon
Dana Carpender
Ah. Mask of Fu Manchu, for you. Outrageously campy, if racist, fun.
Dana
Mark Steese
Wouldn't it make more sense to search Google Images first? I'd be amazed
if somebody hasn't posted the relevant screencaps somewhere on the Web,
where the gentlemen in question can view them for free. Not having to
sit through the rest of the movie would be an added bonus.
Dana Carpender
Well, right you are. And here you go:
http://dcairns.wordpress.com/2008/10/17/precode-bathtime/ (Somewhere
from just-barely-worksafe to not-quite-worksafe) And for Lee, the same
page includes a shot of a bathing Myrna Loy, as well. Happy Thanksgiving.
But Sign of the Cross is highly entertaining, and worth a rental, even
without Claudette's nipple.
Dana
Lee Ayrton
Hazy morning memory suggests that I have seen that -- skimpy
backless sparkely gold lame' costume?
Loy as Nora in The Thin Man series is wonderfully desireable, in The Best
Years Of Our Lives she's simply heartbreakingly desireable.
Lee
> huey.calli...@gmail.com wrote innews:s5SdnXpS4tBrKZHW...@speakeasy.net:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Tim Wright <tlwrigh...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> Heather wrote:
> >> > Now that raises a point about USian eating habits that I find odd.
> >> > Why should people who eat so much sushi, raw or almost raw meat and
> >> > so many pre-prepared salad greens worry so much about the fairly
> >> > remote possibility of eating a salmonella contaminated egg?
> >> Don't paint all USians with that brush. We're not all hand wringing,
> >> mamby pamby, lily livered, please somebody protect me from the
> >> possibility of having a good time, twits. Most of us realize that our
> >> time on this planet is too short to waste being worried about things
> >> we have little control over.
>
> > Based on observations of popular culture, tabloid magazines, 'reality
> > television', cable news networks, and public opinion polls, I think it's
> > probably a more sound suggestion that 'most of us' are dumber than a
> > pocketful of tomato juice.
>
> But not as sound as the suggestion that a single person's subjective, and
> necessarily incomplete, observations of pop culture, tabloids, reality TV
> shows, cable news networks, and pollsters' findings will not produce an
> accurate assessment of their overall content, much less lead to an accurate
> inference of what that content reveals about most people's intelligence.
> --
You're right about that
Lee
> huey.calli...@gmail.com wrote innews:s5SdnXpS4tBrKZHW...@speakeasy.net:
>
>
>
>
>
> >> Heather wrote:
> >> > Now that raises a point about USian eating habits that I find odd.
> >> > Why should people who eat so much sushi, raw or almost raw meat and
> >> > so many pre-prepared salad greens worry so much about the fairly
> >> > remote possibility of eating a salmonella contaminated egg?
> >> Don't paint all USians with that brush. We're not all hand wringing,
> >> mamby pamby, lily livered, please somebody protect me from the
> >> possibility of having a good time, twits. Most of us realize that our
> >> time on this planet is too short to waste being worried about things
> >> we have little control over.
>
> > Based on observations of popular culture, tabloid magazines, 'reality
> > television', cable news networks, and public opinion polls, I think it's
> > probably a more sound suggestion that 'most of us' are dumber than a
> > pocketful of tomato juice.
>
> But not as sound as the suggestion that a single person's subjective, and
> necessarily incomplete, observations of pop culture, tabloids, reality TV
> shows, cable news networks, and pollsters' findings will not produce an
> accurate assessment of their overall content, much less lead to an accurate
> inference of what that content reveals about most people's intelligence.
> --
You're right about that
()
> David J. Martin wrote:
> > Brettster wrote:
> >> I bought a package of ready-to-bake cookie dough the other day and was
> >> surprised to see a new label warning not to eat the raw dough. I
> >> Googled the warning and found the purported reason: the dough contains
> >> raw eggs, which are considered unsafe to eat. (I guess things have
> >> changed since the days of Rocky Balboa.) If this is true, why is
> >> eggnog still on the market? Raw eggs still seem to be among the
> >> ingredients in eggnog. Do they do something magical to the eggnog to
> >> render the eggs safe, and if so, why don't they do the same thing to
> >> the cookie dough?
>
> > I haven't checked my local grocery, but this article says that most
> > commercial eggnogs are pasteurized. It says adding booze to the nog
> > will reduce potential risks. It also mentions pasteurized eggs, which
> > some people say are becoming more common, but I haven't noticed them.
>
> public health and... food something, I disremember -- said that
> something like one in every 12000 uncracked, properly refrigerated eggs
> has salmonella. I eat somewhere in the neighborhood of 900-1000 eggs
> per year (2-3 per day, sometimes more). That's one contaminated egg
> every 12 years or so. What are the odds it's going to be the one I put
> in the pie I made last week? Which didn't make anyone sick, BTW.
>
> I have also read the statement that your risk of salmonella with any
> uncracked, properly refrigerated egg is considerably less than your risk
> of breaking a leg on any given trip down the stairs. I haven't noticed
> stair hysteria breaking out.
About 142000 Americans get salmonella infection from eggs each year,
and about 30 of them die as a result (source: <http://
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/07/AR2009070702343.html>
). At least these are the numbers that get recorded. You may get ill
and recover without finding out the cause. I don't know how many
people break their legs yearly as a result of falling down stairs. The
frequency of eating eggs and going up or down stairs should also be
factored in.
groo
> Have you seen Sign of the Cross? Early De Mille talkie, with Claudette
> Colbert as Nero's wife Poppea. She takes a bath in asses milk; you get
> a quick nipple shot. For many of you gentlemen, that should justify the
> rental right there.
Why would I want to see an ass' nipple? Are they way sexier than cow
nipples?
--
"Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice." -
Hamilcar Barca
Mac
> Dana Carpender <dcarp...@kivanospam.net> wrote:
> > Have you seen Sign of the Cross? Early De Mille talkie, with Claudette
> > Colbert as Nero's wife Poppea. She takes a bath in asses milk; you get
> > a quick nipple shot. For many of you gentlemen, that should justify the
> > rental right there.
>
> Why would I want to see an ass' nipple? Are they way sexier than cow
> nipples?
Udderly.