Ping Charlie
John Hatpin
and now you're at it?
You may not agree with people's wish for some degree of anonymity
here, but to deliberately flout it is crass. Was there some mistake?
I'll not reply in that thread, but I'd be interested to reply to the
article in another place, perhaps here, later.
--
John Hatpin
http://uninformedcomment.wordpress.com/
Mac
<RemoveThisjfhop...@gmailAndThisToo.com> wrote:
> WTF are you doing, Charlie? We've only just got Mark Brader to stop,
> and now you're at it?
You seem to be the one at it. His message wasn't exactly stapled to
your back, you know.
John Hatpin
Do you not know what I'm talking about here? Because what you're
saying doesn't make any sense. The first sentence of the second
(snipped) paragraph in the OP is what I'm asking Charlie to consider.
plausible prose man
If Johns Hopkins were to play Baldwin, who would get the bill?
Mary
> Mac wrote:
>
>> On Nov 21, 4:32 am, John Hatpin
>> <RemoveThisjfhop...@gmailAndThisToo.com> wrote:
>>> WTF are you doing, Charlie? We've only just got Mark Brader to stop,
>>> and now you're at it?
>> You seem to be the one at it. His message wasn't exactly stapled to
>> your back, you know.
>
> Do you not know what I'm talking about here? Because what you're
> saying doesn't make any sense. The first sentence of the second
> (snipped) paragraph in the OP is what I'm asking Charlie to consider.
John, he doesn't care. He did the same thing to Opus last week.
Mary
Mac
Perhaps not; there might be a message eaten by the ether that makes
your point clear.
M C Hamster
*Who* did the same thing to Opus? Charlie or Mac? Or Mark Brader?
I'm so confused. I feel like there's something juicy here, but I'm
afraid to delve into it lest someone get upset (most likely Hatpin
from what I can suss here). Or something.
--
M C Hamster "Big Wheel Keep on Turnin'" -- Creedence Clearwater Revival
Xho Jingleheimerschmidt
As I suss it out, it seems that someone A is upset at someone B because
someone B put into the "Subject" field a the string of letters that
someone A routinely puts into the "From" field. I'm not sure who will
get upset by my posting this, but probably someone Will.
Xho
John Hatpin
I'm baffled by Mac's post, but in a previous thread Charlie had used a
nym-busting subject line. It's not long since there was a debate
about Mark Brader doing the same thing, but deliberately.
As far as this goes, I'm aware that I used to do that with my own nym
years ago (as did Opus, in fact), and I've also been told that it
still is sometimes compromised by a couple of the kooks in my bozo
bin.
Of course, nobody has any control over this. If the practice became
more widespread, I'd have to hold back even more - a lot more - on the
stuff I post and how I post it. I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one
sanitising their posts either. My own silly contributions aside, the
net effect would be that AFCA would become a much less interesting
place to hang around in.
Perhaps this is what the kooks want, a blander place, or perhaps they
haven't thought it through, but there's nothing anyone can do about
it. And it disturbs me when people whose posts I normally enjoy -
Charlie being one - join the kooks.
I really don't want a debate on people's interpretations of why people
use nyms - I'm aware that some feel it's dishonest, and I disagree,
but we've been through this at length already.
Lesmond
>
>I'm baffled by Mac's post, but in a previous thread Charlie had used a
>nym-busting subject line. It's not long since there was a debate
>about Mark Brader doing the same thing, but deliberately.
But...your email address is displayed...
--
If there's a nuclear winter, at least it'll snow.
Bob Ward
wrote:
That's hardly a defense for being an ass about it.
John Hatpin
> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:20:08 +0000, John Hatpin wrote:
>
> >I'm baffled by Mac's post, but in a previous thread Charlie had used a
> >nym-busting subject line. It's not long since there was a debate
> >about Mark Brader doing the same thing, but deliberately.
>
> But...your email address is displayed...
It's not about what's seen here, it's what can be easily searched for,
and it's not intended to be bulletproof; it never can be.
If someone were to go to the lengths of finding out my email address
and then somehow managing to search for that particular combination of
letters, they'll have found me by other means anyway. I'm only really
trying to deter the casual searcher.
Anyway, I'm gradually abandoning some of the more rigid separations I
have elsewhere on the internet. After all, I'm not interesting enough
or have enough to hide to be worried. I'd just rather not be forced
along that road for no good reason.
Xho Jingleheimerschmidt
> M C Hamster wrote:
>>
>> I'm so confused. I feel like there's something juicy here, but I'm
>> afraid to delve into it lest someone get upset (most likely Hatpin
>> from what I can suss here). Or something.
>
> I'm baffled by Mac's post, but in a previous thread Charlie had used a
> nym-busting subject line.
Except that he didn't, as Mac pointed out. If I were to post a subject
line "Ping Oprah Winfrey", that would in no way bust the nym which Miss
O uses to post to this group, unless I also included that nym somewhere
in the above entitled post in an obvious way.
> As far as this goes, I'm aware that I used to do that with my own nym
> years ago (as did Opus, in fact), and I've also been told that it
> still is sometimes compromised by a couple of the kooks in my bozo
> bin.
Not to mention your own bad self.
Xho
Charlie Pearce
<RemoveThi...@gmailAndThisToo.com> wrote:
>WTF are you doing, Charlie? We've only just got Mark Brader to stop,
>and now you're at it?
>
>You may not agree with people's wish for some degree of anonymity
>here, but to deliberately flout it is crass. Was there some mistake?
John, I have absolutely no idea how that happened - I didn't even
comprehend what you were upset about until I read further down and saw
your reply to M C Hamster.
The only way I can possibly explain it is that I only reached the
Swindon, England thread this morning. I read Nick's explanation to
Boron about the significance of Tunbridge Wells, remembered a letter
on HIGNFY, found it online and posted it in a reply. Then a dozen or
so posts later reached the subthread about pseudonyms, "outing people"
etc., scratched my head to see if I could remember what the value of
"<your name>" mentioned in one post actually was, *then* remembered
I'd read a BBC Magazine article on Second Life yesterday that you
might have an opinion on, so started a new thread, deciding to address
it to a quasi-company name in an attempt at "humour". All I can think
is that some grey matter got a bit mixed up along the way, and I stuck
in the name most recently in my head by mistake.
I feel incredibly embarrassed and stupid, as I certainly wouldn't
deliberately disregard your wish for anonymity - I even use a
pseudonym of sorts myself in an Internet forum I frequent. I hope you
realise it was a complete mistake.
Sorry.
Charlie
--
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Slow Motion Apocalypse
Chris
message
news:eb3cef9e-beea-4560...@v30g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> Dude, that's fucked up.
Dude, who are you talking to?
QueBarbara
<charlie...@eidosnet.NO-SPOO-PLEASE.co.uk> wrote:
>On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:32:04 +0000, John Hatpin
><RemoveThi...@gmailAndThisToo.com> wrote:
>
>>WTF are you doing, Charlie? We've only just got Mark Brader to stop,
>>and now you're at it?
>>
>>You may not agree with people's wish for some degree of anonymity
>>here, but to deliberately flout it is crass. Was there some mistake?
>
>John, I have absolutely no idea how that happened - I didn't even
>comprehend what you were upset about until I read further down and saw
>your reply to M C Hamster.
>
I had a feeling it wasn't done deliberately on your part. I'd have
been very surprised if it was.
--
QueBarbara
Slow Motion Apocalypse
> "Slow Motion Apocalypse" <slowmotionapocaly...@rocketmail.com> wrote in
> messagenews:eb3cef9e-beea-4560...@v30g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Dude, that's fucked up.
>
> Dude, who are you talking to?
You. Obviously.
Chris
You. Obviously.
++++++++++++++++
Ah! Nice to see you leave some attributions this time.
Slow Motion Apocalypse
wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:50:23 +0000, Charlie Pearce
>
I get really uncomfortable when people use my name on message boards.
Mary
Sorry. Mac, not Charlie.
Mary
Mary
Not upset, but pointing out that your post is inaccurate. Read the
header again.
Mary
No, not this one, the other one.
Mary
Leroy. And nice hamstering, Charlie.
Mary
Mary
Oh - sorry, Xho, I see what you mean.
Mary
John Hatpin
> John Hatpin wrote:
> > M C Hamster wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm so confused. I feel like there's something juicy here, but I'm
> >> afraid to delve into it lest someone get upset (most likely Hatpin
> >> from what I can suss here). Or something.
> >
> > I'm baffled by Mac's post, but in a previous thread Charlie had used a
> > nym-busting subject line.
>
> Except that he didn't, as Mac pointed out. If I were to post a subject
> line "Ping Oprah Winfrey", that would in no way bust the nym which Miss
> O uses to post to this group, unless I also included that nym somewhere
> in the above entitled post in an obvious way.
Yeah, and then when I'm the only one who replies ...
John Hatpin
Thanks, Charlie - accepted. I did expect that it was a mistake - it
wasn't like you to do it deliberately.
I'll post more about the article soon, when I've got a bit more time.
Opus the Penguin
> John Hatpin wrote:
>> M C Hamster wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm so confused. I feel like there's something juicy here, but
>>> I'm afraid to delve into it lest someone get upset (most likely
>>> Hatpin from what I can suss here). Or something.
>>
>> I'm baffled by Mac's post, but in a previous thread Charlie had
>> used a nym-busting subject line.
>
> Except that he didn't, as Mac pointed out. If I were to post a
> subject line "Ping Oprah Winfrey", that would in no way bust the
> nym which Miss O uses to post to this group, unless I also
> included that nym somewhere in the above entitled post in an
> obvious way.
>
Oprah posts here?
--
Opus the Penguin
The best darn penguin in all of Usenet
rroger
Why?
Xho Jingleheimerschmidt
I thought that that was a well known fact that we were all just playing
dumb to. Oh, Oops. Please don't sue me.
Xho
--
Some days I'm playing dumb and some days I'm plain dumb.
QueBarbara
<RemoveThi...@gmailAndThisToo.com> wrote:
If that's what you expected, you might have given him the benefit of
the doubt, instead of calling him on the carpet.
--
Que "tsk tsk" Barbara
Opus the Penguin
Ha ha! I tricked you! Now Oprah's going to get you, just like she got
Dave Chapelle.
John Hatpin
I did, a bit later, but I was rather angry when I wrote the OP.
M C Hamster
<opusthepen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Xho Jingleheimerschmidt (xho...@gmail.com) wrote:
>> Opus the Penguin wrote:
>>> Xho Jingleheimerschmidt (xho...@gmail.com) wrote:
>>>> John Hatpin wrote:
>>>>> M C Hamster wrote:
>>>>>> I'm so confused. I feel like there's something juicy here,
>>>>>> but I'm afraid to delve into it lest someone get upset (most
>>>>>> likely Hatpin from what I can suss here). Or something.
>>>>> I'm baffled by Mac's post, but in a previous thread Charlie had
>>>>> used a nym-busting subject line.
>>>> Except that he didn't, as Mac pointed out. If I were to post a
>>>> subject line "Ping Oprah Winfrey", that would in no way bust the
>>>> nym which Miss O uses to post to this group, unless I also
>>>> included that nym somewhere in the above entitled post in an
>>>> obvious way.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oprah posts here?
>>
>> I thought that that was a well known fact that we were all just
>> playing dumb to. Oh, Oops. Please don't sue me.
>>
>
>Ha ha! I tricked you! Now Oprah's going to get you, just like she got
>Dave Chapelle.
Now I know where all those megazillions of Opus Pts (tm) came from.
--
M C Hamster "Big Wheel Keep on Turnin'" -- Creedence Clearwater Revival
M C Hamster
What did Mac do to Opus last week?
M C Hamster
That is the hamster of the year, as far as I'm concerned.
I didn't recognize the problem because I am so aware of, er, y'know,
that person's real name, and think of it as totally interchangeable
with that person, his or her, ahem, nym, that it didn't even register
with me to see what I saw in the subject line as anything odd or
unexpected.
Opus the Penguin
Chapelle wasn't using them anymore.
plausible prose man
wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:20:47 GMT, Mary <mrfeath...@aol.c0m> wrote:
> >M C Hamster wrote:
>
> >>> John Hatpin wrote:
> >>>> Mac wrote:
>
> >>>>> On Nov 21, 4:32 am, John Hatpin
> >>>>> <RemoveThisjfhop...@gmailAndThisToo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> WTF are you doing, Charlie? We've only just got Mark Brader to stop,
> >>>>>> and now you're at it?
> >>>>> You seem to be the one at it. His message wasn't exactly stapled to
> >>>>> your back, you know.
> >>>> Do you not know what I'm talking about here? Because what you're
> >>>> saying doesn't make any sense. The first sentence of the second
> >>>> (snipped) paragraph in the OP is what I'm asking Charlie to consider.
>
> >>> John, he doesn't care. He did the same thing to Opus last week.
>
> >> *Who* did the same thing to Opus? Charlie or Mac? Or Mark Brader?
>
> >> I'm so confused. I feel like there's something juicy here, but I'm
> >> afraid to delve into it lest someone get upset (most likely Hatpin
> >> from what I can suss here). Or something.
>
> >Sorry. Mac, not Charlie.
>
> What did Mac do to Opus last week?
I think he might've called him Bill or something.
Nick Spalding
on Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:25:29 +0000:
> Anyway, I'm gradually abandoning some of the more rigid separations I
> have elsewhere on the internet. After all, I'm not interesting enough
> or have enough to hide to be worried. I'd just rather not be forced
> along that road for no good reason.
That has always been my attitude so I have never made any attempt to
disguise myself.
My email address attracts a little spam, averaging 15 a day over the
last month all of which were directed to Junk by Agent. The last month
has been unusual in being totally effective, I keep tabs on what it
misses and most months an average of ~3 end up in my Inbox. I can live
with that.
I am in the Dublin phone book.
--
Nick Spalding
Mary
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:20:47 GMT, Mary <mrfea...@aol.c0m> wrote:
>
>> M C Hamster wrote:
>>> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:10:29 GMT, Mary <mrfea...@aol.c0m> wrote:
>>>
>>>> John Hatpin wrote:
>>>>> Mac wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 21, 4:32 am, John Hatpin
>>>>>> <RemoveThisjfhop...@gmailAndThisToo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> WTF are you doing, Charlie? We've only just got Mark Brader to stop,
>>>>>>> and now you're at it?
>>>>>> You seem to be the one at it. His message wasn't exactly stapled to
>>>>>> your back, you know.
>>>>> Do you not know what I'm talking about here? Because what you're
>>>>> saying doesn't make any sense. The first sentence of the second
>>>>> (snipped) paragraph in the OP is what I'm asking Charlie to consider.
>>>> John, he doesn't care. He did the same thing to Opus last week.
>>>>
>>> *Who* did the same thing to Opus? Charlie or Mac? Or Mark Brader?
>>>
>>> I'm so confused. I feel like there's something juicy here, but I'm
>>> afraid to delve into it lest someone get upset (most likely Hatpin
>>> from what I can suss here). Or something.
>>
>> Sorry. Mac, not Charlie.
>>
>
> What did Mac do to Opus last week?
Called him by his real name, which Opus has tried not to link to his posts.
Mary
M C Hamster
Ah, OK, I finally found it. I agree that using a first name rather
than a nym, as an act of pointless aggression, is a definite sign of
jerkdom.
I am guilty of doing the same habitually for one poster here, whose
nym is long and doesn't lend itself to an easy shortened version. I've
never thought of my doing that as being motivated by being aggressive,
but perhaps that person takes it that way... and explains why he loves
to use my real name, when he's in full sarcasm mode.
Since he's KFed (again), I won't be in a position where I need to use
his real name for anytime in the foreseeable future.
Raven is another object lesson. I fairly easily move from his nym to,
occasionally, his first name... but even though we have had some
heated political exchanges, have never felt my using his first name
was being done to be intimidating or aggressive, but perhaps he sees
that differently. He sometimes uses my first name, but again I've not
seen it as being especially aggressive on his part.
All of this is quite different from what Charlie did, though.
Revealing a last name is a much greater violation of anonymity than
just a first name, obviously.
Chris
news:h3rig59vlogn9lk3d...@4ax.com...
>>
> All of this is quite different from what Charlie did, though.
> Revealing a last name is a much greater violation of anonymity than
> just a first name, obviously.
I think we can take it as an inadvertent use of last name as Charlie has
hamstered to Hatpin.
I'm inclined to accept his explanation
Unlike the other two highly so called educated berks, both of whom probably
can't see that they have done anything wrong.
Mary
I think you're too kind, Chris. I think it's deliberately done.
Mary
bill van
Not always. There are degrees, and circumstances.
>
> I am guilty of doing the same habitually for one poster here, whose
> nym is long and doesn't lend itself to an easy shortened version. I've
> never thought of my doing that as being motivated by being aggressive,
> but perhaps that person takes it that way... and explains why he loves
> to use my real name, when he's in full sarcasm mode.
Not sure who that is; no need to reveal it. But you're not particularly
protective of your real name; it's up there in the headers. So I don't
see the use of your name from time to time as aggressive. I've done it a
few times myself, when talking to the person rather than to the posting
persona.
>
> Since he's KFed (again), I won't be in a position where I need to use
> his real name for anytime in the foreseeable future.
>
> Raven is another object lesson. I fairly easily move from his nym to,
> occasionally, his first name... but even though we have had some
> heated political exchanges, have never felt my using his first name
> was being done to be intimidating or aggressive, but perhaps he sees
> that differently. He sometimes uses my first name, but again I've not
> seen it as being especially aggressive on his part.
I don't think he sees it differently. He often signs his messages with
his real (first) name and has never objected (that I've seen) when his
last name is used, as it is from time to time.
>
> All of this is quite different from what Charlie did, though.
> Revealing a last name is a much greater violation of anonymity than
> just a first name, obviously.
>
But he has apologized and explained, and John has accepted, that he did
it unthinkingly. Not an egregious case. I suspect John was sensitive to
it mainly because of recent history with some others. And that brings us
to:
Mark, who intentionally, over time, used the real names of other posters
even after they strenuously objected. That was just boorish, aggressive,
insensitive, inconsiderate, etc. He has recently said he won't do it
again, though without any indication that he understood why others had
objected to the practice. If it ever resumes, I think he's a kill-file
candidate.
I gather Mac did something similar but didn't notice it myself, and I
don't know if he continues to do it. So I'm not clear on his case.
Degrees and circumstances.
bill
Les Albert
wrote:
>"M C Hamster" <davo...@nospam.speakeasy.net> wrote
>> All of this is quite different from what Charlie did, though.
>> Revealing a last name is a much greater violation of anonymity than
>> just a first name, obviously.
>I think we can take it as an inadvertent use of last name as Charlie has
>hamstered to Hatpin.
>I'm inclined to accept his explanation
>Unlike the other two highly so called educated berks, both of whom probably
>can't see that they have done anything wrong.
I have heard the term "berk" before, but wondered where it came from.
Now I know:
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The English slang word "berk" is a contraction of "Berkeley Hunt",
which in turn refers to the English vulgarity, "cunt" (The usage is
dated to the 1930s). This is an example of Cockney rhyming slang. The
"berk" in Berkeley is pronounced to rhyme with "bark", whereas the
Cockney pronunciation of the slang term, as with the American English
pronunciation, rhymes with "work".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Hunt
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Les
Raven-Poe
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:20:00 GMT, Mary <mrfea...@aol.c0m> wrote:
> Raven is another object lesson. I fairly easily move from his nym to,
> occasionally, his first name... but even though we have had some
> heated political exchanges, have never felt my using his first name
> was being done to be intimidating or aggressive, but perhaps he sees
> that differently.
"I'm afraid I can't do that, Dave".
> He sometimes uses my first name, but again I've not
> seen it as being especially aggressive on his part.
If I'm being aggressive, name calling isn't particularly high up on the
list.
> All of this is quite different from what Charlie did, though.
> Revealing a last name is a much greater violation of anonymity than
> just a first name, obviously.
If some random jerk of usenet has figured it out, you haven't been
especially carefull with your identity and really, you've got no one to
blame but yourself.
Although, in reality, there isn't too much to fear, and, the whole aspect
of anonymity is what feeds antisocial bahviour more than anything else.
John
--
Here, have 10 Olsen-Twins Points (TM)
Remove the dead poet to e-mail.
Ask me about joining the NRA.
Slow Motion Apocalypse
>
> - Show quoted text -
I am shy, low key and socially awkward. I am not sure if I could
handle the thought of real life friends and associates reading some of
my internet posts. Only 13,500 people in the United States share my
first and last names so they might know who you were talking about.
Chris
news:eagOm.141483$5n1.89486@attbi_s21...
deliberately (as you say), but my point was that they haven't got the
gumption to see that it was considered very rude to not respect the wishes
of those wishing for a modicum of privacy.
One has earned a well earned place in my killfile, the other is on the
borderline.
Chris
Bill Turlock
I'll call, we'll chat. about the 1401, which IIRC had it's 50th
aniv. recently
hpjeannie
> QueBarbara wrote:
> > On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:50:23 +0000, Charlie Pearce
> > <charlie.pea...@eidosnet.NO-SPOO-PLEASE.co.uk> wrote:
> >> John, I have absolutely no idea how that happened - I didn't even
> >> comprehend what you were upset about until I read further down and saw
> >> your reply to M C Hamster.
>
> > I had a feeling it wasn't done deliberately on your part. I'd have
> > been very surprised if it was.
>
> Leroy. And nice hamstering, Charlie.
Leroy II, and yes, well done.
Jeannie
Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer)
<davo...@nospam.speakeasy.net> wrote:
> Raven is another object lesson. I fairly easily move from his nym to,
> occasionally, his first name... but even though we have had some
> heated political exchanges, have never felt my using his first name
> was being done to be intimidating or aggressive, but perhaps he sees
> that differently. He sometimes uses my first name, but again I've not
> seen it as being especially aggressive on his part.
Raven uses his first name to sign his posts, which, at least in my
opinion, means that the rest of us can use it, too. Opus doesn't, so
to me he stays Opus.
Mary "Obviously, you can call me Mary, not Reunite, if you wish."
--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer
We didn't just do weird stuff at Dryden, we wrote reports about it.
reunite....@gmail.com or mil...@qnet.com
Visit my blog at http://thedigitalknitter.blogspot.com/
Boron Elgar
Shafer)" <reunite....@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 22 Nov 2009 11:07:02 -0600, M C Hamster
><davo...@nospam.speakeasy.net> wrote:
>
>> Raven is another object lesson. I fairly easily move from his nym to,
>> occasionally, his first name... but even though we have had some
>> heated political exchanges, have never felt my using his first name
>> was being done to be intimidating or aggressive, but perhaps he sees
>> that differently. He sometimes uses my first name, but again I've not
>> seen it as being especially aggressive on his part.
>
>Raven uses his first name to sign his posts, which, at least in my
>opinion, means that the rest of us can use it, too. Opus doesn't, so
>to me he stays Opus.
>
>Mary "Obviously, you can call me Mary, not Reunite, if you wish."
You're named after a famous wine!
Boron
Rick B.
> The "berk" in Berkeley is pronounced to rhyme with "bark",
Wouldn't it be pronounced exactly as "bark"?
M C Hamster
Mac only used Opus' first name. However, it was done as an act of
pointless aggressiveness, and was pretty obnoxious (as it is when my
unidentified "friend" does the same to me). As you say, degrees and
circumstances.
And my point that Charlie revealing a last name was only that, in
contrast, merely revealing a nym's first name is not very revelatory
of someone's identity. It was not meant to condemn him for having done
so, as he's clearly explained it was a mistake.
I am unaware of Mark engaging in this in the past. It is quite
surprising, and I'm vaguely curious as to the circumstances that
caused that to happen.
M C Hamster
Shafer)" <reunite....@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 22 Nov 2009 11:07:02 -0600, M C Hamster
><davo...@nospam.speakeasy.net> wrote:
>
>> Raven is another object lesson. I fairly easily move from his nym to,
>> occasionally, his first name... but even though we have had some
>> heated political exchanges, have never felt my using his first name
>> was being done to be intimidating or aggressive, but perhaps he sees
>> that differently. He sometimes uses my first name, but again I've not
>> seen it as being especially aggressive on his part.
>
>Raven uses his first name to sign his posts, which, at least in my
>opinion, means that the rest of us can use it, too.
Oh yeah, I forgot that. I have mine in my email address, so I'm not
worried about anonymity either. >
>Opus doesn't, so
>to me he stays Opus.
Nor does he have it in his email address, I don't believe. Still,
everyone knows who he is, don't they?
Mac
> Les Albert <lalbe...@aol.com> wrote [quoting Wikipedia]:
>
> > The "berk" in Berkeley is pronounced to rhyme with "bark",
>
> Wouldn't it be pronounced exactly as "bark"?
Because it differs by the amount that makes some people render Bessie
the Deuce's pronunciation of the word for a very young woman an "gel"
and others as "gal."
Bill Turlock
ditto
Rick B.
news:h7mjg51s7lkqhlbm8...@4ax.com:
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:27:23 -0800, "Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary
> Shafer)" <reunite....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 22 Nov 2009 11:07:02 -0600, M C Hamster
>><davo...@nospam.speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Raven is another object lesson. I fairly easily move from his nym to,
>>> occasionally, his first name... but even though we have had some
>>> heated political exchanges, have never felt my using his first name
>>> was being done to be intimidating or aggressive, but perhaps he sees
>>> that differently. He sometimes uses my first name, but again I've not
>>> seen it as being especially aggressive on his part.
>>
>>Raven uses his first name to sign his posts, which, at least in my
>>opinion, means that the rest of us can use it, too.
>
> Oh yeah, I forgot that. I have mine in my email address, so I'm not
> worried about anonymity either. >
I almost umscribed this guy a few days ago:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.obituaries/msg/ed7d6833adfbc65a
Dover Beach
news:Xns9CCBD8A7A...@130.133.1.4:
Well, that would have been startling.
--
Dover
bill van
M C Hamster <davo...@nospam.speakeasy.net> wrote:
> I am unaware of Mark engaging in this in the past. It is quite
> surprising, and I'm vaguely curious as to the circumstances that
> caused that to happen.
I'm aware of two episodes with several instances each over the past
year, and I think I've seen a reference to the effect there have been
more.
John Hatpin
> I am unaware of Mark engaging in this in the past. It is quite
> surprising, and I'm vaguely curious as to the circumstances that
> caused that to happen.
This was probably during your recent hiatus or semi-hiatus. Mark was
using people's full names in attributions, including (but not limited
to) mine.
We had a big discussion about it here, and it became evident that
there are strong feelings on both camps as to the rights and wrongs of
using nyms.
Mark was in all that, and others were backing him up. He seems to
have stopped doing it more recently, but time will tell.
(I really don't want to enter into a debate about this again - people
know what I think, and I know what people think.)
--
John Hatpin
http://uninformedcomment.wordpress.com/
Opus the Penguin
Giles didn't pronounce it that way on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I
figured he should know since he's English, as is the actor who plays
him. But maybe not.
Nick Spalding
on Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:16:45 -0800:
That would be very nice. It was a fine machine, and its reader, punch
and printer were good enough to be relabeled for 360. I was actually
more familiar with the 1440 which was almost identical cpu-wise but had
really crappy i/o devices. The members of the family I really liked
were the grown up ones, the 1410 and even more so the 7010 - 5 digit
addresses, 15 index registers, 100k core.
There was also the 1460 which was a 1440 speeded up by about 80% and
given the 1402/3 i/o kit. I never saw one but like many who looked
after 1440s I had a 1460 clock to overclock the 1440 to pick off dodgy
cards.
--
Nick Spalding
Esra Sdrawkcab
<opusthepen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rick B. (deep...@sprynet.com.aq) wrote:
>
>> Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com> wrote [quoting Wikipedia]:
>>
>>> The "berk" in Berkeley is pronounced to rhyme with "bark",
>>
>> Wouldn't it be pronounced exactly as "bark"?
>
>
> Giles didn't pronounce it that way on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I
> figured he should know since he's English, as is the actor who plays
> him. But maybe not.
>
The place north of Bristol (UK) is pronounced bark-ley, as it is in
Berkshire.
A silly person, though, is a berk pronounced as in Burke's peerage.
--
Nuns! Reverse!
Esra Sdrawkcab
I'm surprised you haven't gone over to alt.folklore.computers, where they
love to talk of 1401s.
(x-post added)
--
Nuns! Reverse!
Bill Turlock
I had, for reasons unimportant here, cleared out my 'groups list
on this reader, and hadn't been there in a while. Just last week
I scribed again, and a few nights ago was rummaging through the
subjects, and saw one on the 1401, thus my comment. I'm sure I've
seen Nick over there, too.
Nick Spalding
on Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:00:33 -0800:
You have.
--
Nick Spalding
Mark Steese
news:op.u3uhdpexhswpfo@dell3100:
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:01:00 -0000, Opus the Penguin
> <opusthepen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Rick B. (deep...@sprynet.com.aq) wrote:
>>
>>> Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com> wrote [quoting Wikipedia]:
>>>
>>>> The "berk" in Berkeley is pronounced to rhyme with "bark",
>>>
>>> Wouldn't it be pronounced exactly as "bark"?
>>
>>
>> Giles didn't pronounce it that way on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I
>> figured he should know since he's English, as is the actor who plays
>> him. But maybe not.
>>
> The place north of Bristol (UK) is pronounced bark-ley, as it is in
> Berkshire.
How on earth did anyone get the pronunciation bark-ley out of "Thornbury"?
--
Mark Steese
=======================================================================
PS: Your second question, you thought I forgot? I didn't. I never found the
banana slug. - William Least Heat-Moon
groo
> Xho Jingleheimerschmidt (xho...@gmail.com) wrote:
>
>>
>> Except that he didn't, as Mac pointed out. If I were to post a
>> subject line "Ping Oprah Winfrey", that would in no way bust the
>> nym which Miss O uses to post to this group, unless I also
>> included that nym somewhere in the above entitled post in an
>> obvious way.
>>
>
> Oprah posts here?
>
Well, duh. Who do you think sent us all those new cars?
--
"Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice." -
Hamilcar Barca
groo
To be accurate, that wasn't hamstering. At least, I hope it wasn't.
Bob Ward
wrote:
>hpjeannie <hpje...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 21, 4:23�pm, Mary <mrfeath...@aol.c0m> wrote:
>>> QueBarbara wrote:
>>> > On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:50:23 +0000, Charlie Pearce
>>> > <charlie.pea...@eidosnet.NO-SPOO-PLEASE.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> >> John, I have absolutely no idea how that happened - I didn't even
>>> >> comprehend what you were upset about until I read further down and
>>> >> saw your reply to M C Hamster.
>>>
>>> > I had a feeling it wasn't done deliberately on your part. �I'd have
>>> > been very surprised if it was.
>>>
>>> Leroy. �And nice hamstering, Charlie.
>>
>> Leroy II, and yes, well done.
>>
>
>To be accurate, that wasn't hamstering. At least, I hope it wasn't.
>
>
You'd prefer Gerbiling?
Bill Turlock
I don't know you naughty boy, I've..... never mind
John Hatpin
news item about Second Life:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8367957.stm
Firstly, the thing's six years old, so it's hardly surprising that
it's well past its peak. This isn't helped by Linden Labs' resolution
not to make any more significant improvements for fear of losing
existing customers. Yet it's still got a steady and pretty large user
base, principally because there just isn't anything else out there
that competes.
One project that's going through its birth throes is Blue Mars, which
I've briefly tried, but that doesn't seem to be aiming to compete. In
fact, it's unclear what BM *is* meant to be doing. And the early
signs aren't good - it simply isn't better enough at what it does do
(the graphics are barely an improvement, for example) and by
disallowing user-created content it's never going to be much of a draw
for people who like to make stuff, and will never have much stuff for
people who like to buy. Plus, being kid-friendly as they are is no
good: sex sells.
Then there's OpenSim, which I'm involved with; a reverse-engineering
of the server side of SL, so that you can host your own "grid" and do
whatever you want to your heart's content. But without decent DRM in
place, there'll never be the investment in content that SL has
benefitted from. Plus, the development team, all volunteers, just
don't seem to have the muscle to push the product towards a stable
state. It's still pretty cool, though.
So we're left with SL being SL, and, to be frank, nothing's new. But
I still like it and use it a lot, and so do very many others.
Bob Ward
At least once, the legend goes, the gerbil got struck in Gere.
Opus the Penguin
> Opus the Penguin <opusthepen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Xho Jingleheimerschmidt (xho...@gmail.com) wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Except that he didn't, as Mac pointed out. If I were to post a
>>> subject line "Ping Oprah Winfrey", that would in no way bust the
>>> nym which Miss O uses to post to this group, unless I also
>>> included that nym somewhere in the above entitled post in an
>>> obvious way.
>>>
>>
>> Oprah posts here?
>>
>
> Well, duh. Who do you think sent us all those new cars?
>
I guess I never really thought about it.
QueBarbara
wrote:
>hpjeannie <hpje...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 21, 4:23�pm, Mary <mrfeath...@aol.c0m> wrote:
>>> QueBarbara wrote:
>>> > On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:50:23 +0000, Charlie Pearce
>>> > <charlie.pea...@eidosnet.NO-SPOO-PLEASE.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> >> John, I have absolutely no idea how that happened - I didn't even
>>> >> comprehend what you were upset about until I read further down and
>>> >> saw your reply to M C Hamster.
>>>
>>> > I had a feeling it wasn't done deliberately on your part. �I'd have
>>> > been very surprised if it was.
>>>
>>> Leroy. �And nice hamstering, Charlie.
>>
>> Leroy II, and yes, well done.
>>
>
>To be accurate, that wasn't hamstering. At least, I hope it wasn't.
>
No, it was pretty much abject groveling.
--
QueBarbara
Veronique
wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:12:09 +0000 (UTC), groo <afcag...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >hpjeannie <hpjean...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> On Nov 21, 4:23 pm, Mary <mrfeath...@aol.c0m> wrote:
> >>> QueBarbara wrote:
> >>> > On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:50:23 +0000, Charlie Pearce
> >>> > <charlie.pea...@eidosnet.NO-SPOO-PLEASE.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >>> >> John, I have absolutely no idea how that happened - I didn't even
> >>> >> comprehend what you were upset about until I read further down and
> >>> >> saw your reply to M C Hamster.
>
> >>> > I had a feeling it wasn't done deliberately on your part. I'd have
> >>> > been very surprised if it was.
>
> >>> Leroy. And nice hamstering, Charlie.
>
> >> Leroy II, and yes, well done.
>
> >To be accurate, that wasn't hamstering. At least, I hope it wasn't.
>
> No, it was pretty much abject groveling.
I found it pearcing, myself.
V.
--
Veronique Chez Sheep