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DT

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Nov 5, 2009, 6:44:27 PM11/5/09
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It used to be that a building, stadium, sports event, or whatever had a
name that meant something. I remember when all the bowl games were just
the Rose Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Gator Bowl, etc. Now they are all named
after phone companies, cameras, and who knows what. Here is a list of
some of the 2009 bowl game offical names:

MAACO, Sheraton, Meineke Car Care, Gaylord Hotels, EagleBank, Pacific
Life, Roady's Humanitarian, Brut Sun, Chik-fil-A, Outback, Allstate,
AT&T, Konica, FedEx, GMAC, Auto Zone, Tostitos, PapaJohns.com.

Yeah, Papa John's wasn't happy just to have their name mentioned, they
added their freakin' URL. And what is a Roady's Humanitarion, anyway? I
certainly don't mind a sponsor but this is ugly. I'm just happy we don't
have a "One, Eight-Hundred, Safe-Auto Bowl". Maybe I shouldn't have
mentioned it.

Will we ever have another Wrigley Field, Empire State building or Sears
Tower with a name that lives forever? Hell, we don't even have the Sears
Tower anymore.

People pay big bucks just to get their name put on something, and then
the name changes when the money runs out.

Here in Cleveland the arena for the Cavaliers and the baseball field for
the Indians were called the Gund Arena and Jacobs Field. Now they are
the Quickens Loan Arena and Progressive Field. Mortgages and insurance,
some sports legacy.

The most verbose local naming rights have to be the Cleveland State (My
alma mater) Convocation Center, which has been renamed - are you ready
for this - The "Bert L. & Iris S. Wolstein Center". Yep, right down to
the couple's middle initials in foot high letters.

Now, I shouldn't complain, the Wolsteins were very generous benefactors
(many tens of millions) and probably very nice people. In fact, they
also have at least two other building named after them, the "Iris S. and
Bert L. Wolstein Research Building" and the "Iris S. and Bert L.
Wolstein Hall", both at Case Western Reserve. And I see that Iris gets
top billing in those two.

--
Dennis

Dover Beach

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Nov 5, 2009, 6:53:44 PM11/5/09
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DT <dthomp...@wowway.com> wrote in
news:20091105-2...@DT.news.wowway.com:

> I'm just happy we don't have a "One, Eight-Hundred, Safe-Auto Bowl".

Shhh!

> Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned it.

Now you've been and gone and done it.

"The Five Eight Eight, Two Three-hundred, Empiiire!" Stadium

"The Pete Ellis Dodge, Ten Ninety-Five West El Camino Real, Sunnyvale"
Ball Park.

--
Dover

John Dean

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Nov 5, 2009, 7:55:55 PM11/5/09
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DT wrote:
> It used to be that a building, stadium, sports event, or whatever had
> a name that meant something. I remember when all the bowl games were
> just the Rose Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Gator Bowl, etc. Now they are all
> named after phone companies, cameras, and who knows what. Here is a
> list of some of the 2009 bowl game offical names:
>
> MAACO, Sheraton, Meineke Car Care, Gaylord Hotels, EagleBank, Pacific
> Life, Roady's Humanitarian, Brut Sun, Chik-fil-A, Outback, Allstate,
> AT&T, Konica, FedEx, GMAC, Auto Zone, Tostitos, PapaJohns.com.

Over here, one of the most famous soccer grounds is St James' Park, home of
Newcastle United - a club with maybe the most fanatical, loyal and
traditionalist fans in the game.
So after trying and failing to sell the club, the owner is auctioning the
naming rights to the stadium and has changed the name in the interim to
sportsdirect.com@StJames'Park

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/nov/05/chris-hughton-st-james-park


--
John Dean
Oxford


Bill Turlock

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Nov 6, 2009, 12:28:51 AM11/6/09
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Not to mention the venerable Sears Point, NKA Infineon Raceway.

If Ida' owned it, when it sold, ther would have been a naming
clause in the contract:

"The Whatever Racecourse at Sears Point"

Greg Goss

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Nov 6, 2009, 2:03:01 AM11/6/09
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DT <dthomp...@wowway.com> wrote:

>It used to be that a building, stadium, sports event, or whatever had a
>name that meant something. I remember when all the bowl games were just
>the Rose Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Gator Bowl, etc. Now they are all named
>after phone companies, cameras, and who knows what. Here is a list of
>some of the 2009 bowl game offical names:
>
>MAACO, Sheraton, Meineke Car Care, Gaylord Hotels, EagleBank, Pacific
>Life, Roady's Humanitarian, Brut Sun, Chik-fil-A, Outback, Allstate,
>AT&T, Konica, FedEx, GMAC, Auto Zone, Tostitos, PapaJohns.com.
>
>Yeah, Papa John's wasn't happy just to have their name mentioned, they
>added their freakin' URL. And what is a Roady's Humanitarion, anyway? I
>certainly don't mind a sponsor but this is ugly. I'm just happy we don't
>have a "One, Eight-Hundred, Safe-Auto Bowl". Maybe I shouldn't have
>mentioned it.
>
>Will we ever have another Wrigley Field, Empire State building or Sears
>Tower with a name that lives forever? Hell, we don't even have the Sears
>Tower anymore.

How is "Wrigley Field" any different than "Konica field" or "FedEx" or
whatever the stadiums that you were complaining on the line above?

>People pay big bucks just to get their name put on something, and then
>the name changes when the money runs out.

The Ford Center For The Performing Arts in Vancouver ran out of money
before the car company did. And before any presidents got to visit,
either.

--
apart from one noisy guy up in Canada, no-one wants
a three-cylinder tissue box on bicycle tires.

bill van

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Nov 6, 2009, 2:20:55 AM11/6/09
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In article <7li01mF...@mid.individual.net>,
Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:

> DT <dthomp...@wowway.com> wrote:
>
> >It used to be that a building, stadium, sports event, or whatever had a
> >name that meant something. I remember when all the bowl games were just
> >the Rose Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Gator Bowl, etc. Now they are all named
> >after phone companies, cameras, and who knows what. Here is a list of
> >some of the 2009 bowl game offical names:
> >
> >MAACO, Sheraton, Meineke Car Care, Gaylord Hotels, EagleBank, Pacific
> >Life, Roady's Humanitarian, Brut Sun, Chik-fil-A, Outback, Allstate,
> >AT&T, Konica, FedEx, GMAC, Auto Zone, Tostitos, PapaJohns.com.
> >
> >Yeah, Papa John's wasn't happy just to have their name mentioned, they
> >added their freakin' URL. And what is a Roady's Humanitarion, anyway? I
> >certainly don't mind a sponsor but this is ugly. I'm just happy we don't
> >have a "One, Eight-Hundred, Safe-Auto Bowl". Maybe I shouldn't have
> >mentioned it.
> >
> >Will we ever have another Wrigley Field, Empire State building or Sears
> >Tower with a name that lives forever? Hell, we don't even have the Sears
> >Tower anymore.
>
> How is "Wrigley Field" any different than "Konica field" or "FedEx" or
> whatever the stadiums that you were complaining on the line above?

It was built in 1914 and named after the owner in 1926 or thenabouts.
That gives it the same historic cachet as other older ball parks. The
others bought the right to the name essentially at auction in recent
years. That's a big difference. Money versus tradition.

> >People pay big bucks just to get their name put on something, and then
> >the name changes when the money runs out.
>
> The Ford Center For The Performing Arts in Vancouver ran out of money
> before the car company did. And before any presidents got to visit,
> either.

But we still have General Motors Place.

bill

Boron Elgar

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Nov 6, 2009, 6:42:52 AM11/6/09
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On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:03:01 -0700, Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:

>
>The Ford Center For The Performing Arts in Vancouver ran out of money
>before the car company did. And before any presidents got to visit,
>either.

Naming rights aren't new...when I was a kid, the town next door,
Dearborn, had the Ford Rotunda. It was pretty darn cool.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/leonandloisphotos/1802189933/

DT

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Nov 6, 2009, 8:45:08 AM11/6/09
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In article <7li01mF...@mid.individual.net>, go...@gossg.org says...

>DT <dthomp...@wowway.com> wrote:
>
>>It used to be that a building, stadium, sports event, or whatever had a
>>name that meant something. I remember when all the bowl games were just
>>the Rose Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Gator Bowl, etc. Now they are all named
>>after phone companies, cameras, and who knows what. Here is a list of
>>some of the 2009 bowl game offical names:
>>
>>MAACO, Sheraton, Meineke Car Care, Gaylord Hotels, EagleBank, Pacific
>>Life, Roady's Humanitarian, Brut Sun, Chik-fil-A, Outback, Allstate,
>>AT&T, Konica, FedEx, GMAC, Auto Zone, Tostitos, PapaJohns.com.
>>
>>Yeah, Papa John's wasn't happy just to have their name mentioned, they
>>added their freakin' URL. And what is a Roady's Humanitarion, anyway? I
>>certainly don't mind a sponsor but this is ugly. I'm just happy we don't
>>have a "One, Eight-Hundred, Safe-Auto Bowl". Maybe I shouldn't have
>>mentioned it.
>>
>>Will we ever have another Wrigley Field, Empire State building or Sears
>>Tower with a name that lives forever? Hell, we don't even have the Sears
>>Tower anymore.
>
>How is "Wrigley Field" any different than "Konica field" or "FedEx" or
>whatever the stadiums that you were complaining on the line above?


I guess not much. Nothing wrong with Konica field, but what I meant is that
in a few years it will be Sam's Sausage Field, then The "Your Name
Goes Here Memorial Ball Park" if Sam's runs out of money. It's the crass
commercialization of it all.

--
Dennis

DT

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Nov 6, 2009, 8:49:02 AM11/6/09
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In article <8q28f5tpe87nfnb40...@4ax.com>,
boron...@hotmail.com says...


But that's not really just naming rights, Ford sponsored it, it got
named after them, and it stayed that way. But they would never have
called it the MOPAR Round House just because Chrysler came up with
enough money. Well, hmm, maybe they would have!

--
Dennis

art...@yahoo.com

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Nov 6, 2009, 9:47:41 AM11/6/09
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On Nov 5, 6:44 pm, DT <dthompson4...@wowway.com> wrote:
> It used to be that a building, stadium, sports event, or whatever had a
> name that meant something. I remember when all the bowl games were just
> the Rose Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Gator Bowl, etc. Now they are all named
> after phone companies, cameras, and who knows what. Here is a list of
> some of the 2009 bowl game offical names:
>
> MAACO, Sheraton, Meineke Car Care, Gaylord Hotels, EagleBank, Pacific
> Life, Roady's Humanitarian, Brut Sun, Chik-fil-A,  Outback, Allstate,
> AT&T, Konica, FedEx, GMAC, Auto Zone, Tostitos, PapaJohns.com.
>
> Yeah, Papa John's wasn't happy just to have their name mentioned, they
> added their freakin' URL. And what is a Roady's Humanitarion, anyway? I
> certainly don't mind a sponsor but this is ugly. I'm just happy we don't
> have a "One, Eight-Hundred, Safe-Auto Bowl". Maybe I shouldn't have

> mentioned it.
>
> Will we ever have another Wrigley Field, Empire State building or Sears
> Tower with a name that lives forever? Hell, we don't even have the Sears
> Tower anymore.

The Academy of St Martin's in the Field.com
The Fritos Taj Mahal
Dow Chemical Half Dome

Boron Elgar

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Nov 6, 2009, 11:00:36 AM11/6/09
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On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:49:02 -0500, DT <dthomp...@wowway.com>
wrote:


But buildings have had advertising on them for a long time. What's the
diff if it is name of the place, which can easily change (think Pan
Am Building, and it certainly did not only have Pan Am offices in it
when it was built) or an ad painted 10 stories high on the side wall.

I don't think it is a great leap that has been made with this. As I
mentioned in a baseball post the other day, putting up advertising
right behind the batter is bothersome, but I don't find this sort of
stadium naming much of a to-do. Everything is sponsored or paid
placement or has advertising slapped on it these days. Ain't no goin'
back.

Boron

David J. Martin

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Nov 6, 2009, 10:46:30 AM11/6/09
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DT wrote:
> It used to be that a building, stadium, sports event, or whatever had a
> name that meant something. I remember when all the bowl games were just
> the Rose Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Gator Bowl, etc. Now they are all named
> after phone companies, cameras, and who knows what. Here is a list of
> some of the 2009 bowl game offical names:
>
> MAACO, Sheraton, Meineke Car Care, Gaylord Hotels, EagleBank, Pacific
> Life, Roady's Humanitarian, Brut Sun, Chik-fil-A, Outback, Allstate,
> AT&T, Konica, FedEx, GMAC, Auto Zone, Tostitos, PapaJohns.com.
>
> Yeah, Papa John's wasn't happy just to have their name mentioned, they
> added their freakin' URL. And what is a Roady's Humanitarion, anyway? I
> certainly don't mind a sponsor but this is ugly. I'm just happy we don't
> have a "One, Eight-Hundred, Safe-Auto Bowl". Maybe I shouldn't have
> mentioned it.

Papa John's is only the latest in a series of .com bowls.

Houston had the Galleryfurniture.com bowl and the EV1.net bowl (didn't
remember that one, that's a wiki contribution).

Also from Wiki I find these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_college_bowl_games

Crucial.com Humanitarian bowl - now Roady's Humanitarian as mentioned
above.
Ourhouse.com Florida Citrus Bowl - now the Capital One Bowl
MicronPC.com Bowl - now the Champs Sports Bowl
homepoint.com Music City Bowl - now Gaylord/Bridgestone Music City Bowl

We used to have a football from the Galleryfurniture.com bowl
advertising campaign.

David

huey.c...@gmail.com

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Nov 6, 2009, 11:14:22 AM11/6/09
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David J. Martin <djmarti...@tamu.edu> wrote:
> > MAACO, Sheraton, Meineke Car Care, Gaylord Hotels, EagleBank,
> > Pacific Life, Roady's Humanitarian, Brut Sun, Chik-fil-A, Outback,
> > Allstate, AT&T, Konica, FedEx, GMAC, Auto Zone, Tostitos,
> > PapaJohns.com.
> >
> > Yeah, Papa John's wasn't happy just to have their name mentioned,
> > they added their freakin' URL. And what is a Roady's Humanitarion,
> > anyway? I certainly don't mind a sponsor but this is ugly. I'm just
> > happy we don't have a "One, Eight-Hundred, Safe-Auto Bowl". Maybe I
> > shouldn't have mentioned it.
>
> Papa John's is only the latest in a series of .com bowls.
>
> Houston had the Galleryfurniture.com bowl and the EV1.net bowl (didn't
> remember that one, that's a wiki contribution).
>
> Also from Wiki I find these:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_college_bowl_games
>
> Crucial.com Humanitarian bowl - now Roady's Humanitarian as mentioned
> above.
> Ourhouse.com Florida Citrus Bowl - now the Capital One Bowl
> MicronPC.com Bowl - now the Champs Sports Bowl
> homepoint.com Music City Bowl - now Gaylord/Bridgestone Music City
> Bowl
>
> We used to have a football from the Galleryfurniture.com bowl
> advertising campaign.

The last couple years, during the Chik-fil-A Peach Bowl, they've given
out cow calendars for free. One of their commercials will say "Just go
to http://chik-fil-a.com/cow_calendar (or whatever it is) and put in
your address, and we'll send you one!".

And then, because five million people are watching this football game,
and some of them have computers, you go to the website and discover that
it is absolutely fucking socked, and stays that way for most of the
evening. ...which sort of makes me wonder, given that this has happened
every time, why they haven't Akamized the website or otherwise done
something to cope with the fact that, when you tell five million
people to all go to the same website at the same time, it's gonna have
some issues.

I got my cow calendar, though.

--
Huey

DT

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Nov 6, 2009, 11:44:12 AM11/6/09
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In article <gZCdnYCZI8vD1mnX...@speakeasy.net>,
huey.c...@gmail.com says...

>The last couple years, during the Chik-fil-A Peach Bowl, they've given
>out cow calendars for free. One of their commercials will say "Just go
>to http://chik-fil-a.com/cow_calendar (or whatever it is) and put in
>your address, and we'll send you one!".
>
>And then, because five million people are watching this football game,
>and some of them have computers, you go to the website and discover that
>it is absolutely fucking socked, and stays that way for most of the
>evening. ...which sort of makes me wonder, given that this has happened
>every time, why they haven't Akamized the website or otherwise done
>something to cope with the fact that, when you tell five million
>people to all go to the same website at the same time, it's gonna have
>some issues.
>
>I got my cow calendar, though.


Moooo, eat more chicken. Except on Sunday.

--
Dennis

DT

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Nov 6, 2009, 11:52:36 AM11/6/09
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In article <b5h8f5d0v18hldsa1...@4ax.com>,
boron...@hootmail.com says...

>I don't think it is a great leap that has been made with this. As I
>mentioned in a baseball post the other day, putting up advertising
>right behind the batter is bothersome, but I don't find this sort of
>stadium naming much of a to-do. Everything is sponsored or paid
>placement or has advertising slapped on it these days. Ain't no goin'
>back.

That's for sure. Of course I grew up working for the Gummint so I don't
have much sense of how important the corporate name is. Although we often
decried the budget cuts that affected NASA. Maybe I should suggest they
start putting advertising on the shuttle, like NASCAR racers. Lots of
space, it could raise millions.

Or heck, just rename the shuttle for each launch. "Houston, this is
Chick-fil-A-on-orbit-one-niner, do you read me?"

--
Dennis

DT

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Nov 6, 2009, 12:27:42 PM11/6/09
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In article <20091106-1...@DT.news.wowway.com>,
dthomp...@wowway.com says...

>Or heck, just rename the shuttle for each launch. "Houston, this is
>Chick-fil-A-on-orbit-one-niner, do you read me?"
>

To expand on this:

"Roger, Houston. It's only been 3 hours since we took off from the
Michael.R.Bloomberg-in-2010 Space Center but we are already approaching the
Jeep Grand Cherokee Internationl Space Station. The guys up there are
saying what a welcome sight the ol' Chick-fil-A-on-orbit is, gleaming in
the sunlight.

We'll be docking at the Adidas Habitation Module, and in fact we have the
Fast-and-Furious-Four.com airlock in sight.

--
Dennis

plausible prose man

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Nov 6, 2009, 12:52:26 PM11/6/09
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On Nov 5, 6:53 pm, Dover Beach <moon.blanc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> DT <dthompson4...@wowway.com> wrote innews:20091105-2...@DT.news.wowway.com:
>
> > I'm just happy we don't have a "One, Eight-Hundred, Safe-Auto Bowl".
>
> Shhh!
>
> > Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned it.
>
> Now you've been and gone and done it.
>
> "The Five Eight Eight, Two Three-hundred, Empiiire!" Stadium

"Garfield One, Two Three Two Three Convocation Center"

S. Checker

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DT <dthomp...@wowway.com> wrote:

> Will we ever have another Wrigley Field, Empire State building or Sears
> Tower with a name that lives forever? Hell, we don't even have the Sears
> Tower anymore.

Philadelphia has the PSFS Building, named after the Philadelphia
Savings Fund Society (I had a passbook when I were a lad). The PSFS
building has a large light-up sign on the top with the letters PSFS on
it, visible from many approaches to the city. It was built in 1932 and
still shines brightly today.

Of course, PSFS itself was borged by a series of companies; I expect
whatever is left of it is now part of Citizens Bank. The building, and
the sign, are regarded as local treasures and protected. I don't know,
it seems a little like saving an "Eat At Joe's" sign for posterity.

http://www.aviewoncities.com/philadelphia/psfsbuilding.htm
http://www.phillyskyline.com/bldgs/psfs/index.htm
--
Culture is the habit of being pleased with the best and knowing why.

Boron Elgar

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Nov 6, 2009, 1:16:57 PM11/6/09
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On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:52:36 -0500, DT <dthomp...@wowway.com>
wrote:

Tang.

Richard R. Hershberger

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Nov 6, 2009, 1:18:30 PM11/6/09
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On Nov 5, 6:44 pm, DT <dthompson4...@wowway.com> wrote:

I'm not saying you're wrong, but this diatribe seems awfully 1990s.

Peter Ward

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Nov 6, 2009, 2:59:59 PM11/6/09
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David J. Martin says...

>
> DT wrote:
> > It used to be that a building, stadium, sports event, or whatever had a
> > name that meant something. I remember when all the bowl games were just
> > the Rose Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Gator Bowl, etc. Now they are all named
> > after phone companies, cameras, and who knows what. Here is a list of
> > some of the 2009 bowl game offical names:
> >
> > MAACO, Sheraton, Meineke Car Care, Gaylord Hotels, EagleBank, Pacific
> > Life, Roady's Humanitarian, Brut Sun, Chik-fil-A, Outback, Allstate,
> > AT&T, Konica, FedEx, GMAC, Auto Zone, Tostitos, PapaJohns.com.
> >
> > Yeah, Papa John's wasn't happy just to have their name mentioned, they
> > added their freakin' URL. And what is a Roady's Humanitarion, anyway? I
> > certainly don't mind a sponsor but this is ugly. I'm just happy we don't
> > have a "One, Eight-Hundred, Safe-Auto Bowl". Maybe I shouldn't have
> > mentioned it.
>
> Papa John's is only the latest in a series of .com bowls.

I read that as "con" bowls. Which, given the nature of advertising
seems entirely appropriate.

--

Peter, from outside the asylum

I'm an alien
email: usenet at peterward dot adsl24 dot co dot uk
http://blowinsmoke.wordpress.com/
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm
not sure about the former.
- Albert Einstein

Hactar

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Nov 6, 2009, 2:31:59 PM11/6/09
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In article <20091106-1...@DT.news.wowway.com>,

DT <dthomp...@wowway.com> wrote:
> In article <b5h8f5d0v18hldsa1...@4ax.com>,
> boron...@hootmail.com says...
>
> >I don't think it is a great leap that has been made with this. As I
> >mentioned in a baseball post the other day, putting up advertising
> >right behind the batter is bothersome, but I don't find this sort of
> >stadium naming much of a to-do. Everything is sponsored or paid
> >placement or has advertising slapped on it these days. Ain't no goin'
> >back.
>
> That's for sure. Of course I grew up working for the Gummint so I don't
> have much sense of how important the corporate name is. Although we often
> decried the budget cuts that affected NASA. Maybe I should suggest they
> start putting advertising on the shuttle, like NASCAR racers. Lots of
> space, it could raise millions.

Like this then:

http://www.funnypostcard.com/html/Nascar-Space-Shuttle.html

--
-eben QebWe...@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81
When we've nuked the world to a cinder, the cockroaches picking
over the remains will be crawling over the remaining artifacts
and wondering what "PC LOAD LETTER" means. -- PC / ASR

DT

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In article
<775ec737-5acc-45be...@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
rrh...@acme.com says...


>I'm not saying you're wrong, but this diatribe seems awfully 1990s.

It takes me a while. But it was sparked by the changes in Cleveland, which
only recently took place. The rest of the country is off my radar.

--
Dennis

hpjeannie

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On Nov 6, 8:14 am, huey.calli...@gmail.com wrote:
> tohttp://chik-fil-a.com/cow_calendar(or whatever it is) and put in

> your address, and we'll send you one!".
>
> And then, because five million people are watching this football game,
> and some of them have computers, you go to the website and discover that
> it is absolutely fucking socked, and stays that way for most of the
> evening. ...which sort of makes me wonder, given that this has happened
> every time, why they haven't Akamized the website or otherwise done
> something to cope with the fact that, when you tell five million
> people to all go to the same website at the same time, it's gonna have
> some issues.
>
> I got my cow calendar, though.

Which was probably chock-full of Chick-Fil-A coupons, right?

I hate all the in-your-face advertising, but what's even worse is the
radio commercials that insist on repeating the 800 number not one, not
two, but THREE times. Someone somewhere apparently did a study that
found that people remembered an 800 number better if it was spoken
four times rather than two or even three, and Madison Avenue ran with
it.

I change the station when I hear one of those.

Jeannie

huey.c...@gmail.com

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Nov 6, 2009, 4:51:33 PM11/6/09
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I've never eaten there. Not once. I don't think there are too many
around where I was living in Chicago, and although I think there's one
about a half-hour's drive away (pretty sure I saw it on the way to the
Harbor Freight store) it's not something I'm going to drive a half hour
for, even if I do have a coupon.

The corner bar makes a fine chicken sandwich, though.

--
Huey

Patrick M Geahan

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huey.c...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've never eaten there. Not once. I don't think there are too many
> around where I was living in Chicago, and although I think there's one
> about a half-hour's drive away (pretty sure I saw it on the way to the
> Harbor Freight store) it's not something I'm going to drive a half hour
> for, even if I do have a coupon.

We stopped at one on our way back from vacation last year.
Food was fine, not worth calling home about. Prices were
fine.

Atmosphere? Awful. Never been in a place with more unruly
children or obnoxious adults. It was a zoo.


--
-------Patrick M Geahan---...@thepatcave.org---ICQ:3784715------
"You know, this is how the sum total of human knowledge is increased.
Not with idle speculation and meaningless chatter, but with a
medium-sized hammer and some free time." - spa...@pffcu.com, a.f.c-a

Mark Steese

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Nov 6, 2009, 6:39:41 PM11/6/09
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DT <dthomp...@wowway.com> wrote in
news:20091106-1...@DT.news.wowway.com:

Ah, for those glorious days when professional and collegiate sports were
unsullied by crass commercialization. You sure never saw Babe Ruth doing
ads for Red Rock Cola! Or Old Gold cigarettes, or Pinch-Hit Chewing
Tobacco, or Ruth's Home Run Candy Bar, or Babe Ruth All America Athletic
Underwear, or...
--
Mark Steese
=======================================================================
PS: Your second question, you thought I forgot? I didn't. I never found
the banana slug. - William Least Heat-Moon

Greg Goss

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Nov 6, 2009, 7:51:09 PM11/6/09
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DT <dthomp...@wowway.com> wrote:

>That's for sure. Of course I grew up working for the Gummint so I don't
>have much sense of how important the corporate name is. Although we often
>decried the budget cuts that affected NASA. Maybe I should suggest they
>start putting advertising on the shuttle, like NASCAR racers. Lots of
>space, it could raise millions.
>
>Or heck, just rename the shuttle for each launch. "Houston, this is
>Chick-fil-A-on-orbit-one-niner, do you read me?"

You don't remember this image that came around sometime in the late
nineties?
http://fun-pics.com/rocket,space%20shuttle,advertising.html

Snidely

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Nov 7, 2009, 3:14:12 AM11/7/09
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On Nov 6, 12:47 pm, hpjeannie <hpjean...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I hate all the in-your-face advertising, but what's even worse is the
> radio commercials that insist on repeating the 800 number not one, not
> two, but THREE times.  Someone somewhere apparently did a study that
> found that people remembered an 800 number better if it was spoken
> four times rather than two or even three, and Madison Avenue ran with
> it.

Are you sure it was Madison Avenue that ran with it? When I hear that
style of commercial, it's usually for some brain supplement or ED
treatment or home loan related. Some of these businesses may
actually be around more than 6 months at a time.

> I change the station when I hear one of those.

I applaud your efforts. "Speed Dial"

/dps


Xho Jingleheimerschmidt

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Nov 7, 2009, 1:15:47 PM11/7/09
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Snidely wrote:
> On Nov 6, 12:47 pm, hpjeannie <hpjean...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I hate all the in-your-face advertising, but what's even worse is the
>> radio commercials that insist on repeating the 800 number not one, not
>> two, but THREE times. Someone somewhere apparently did a study that
>> found that people remembered an 800 number better if it was spoken
>> four times rather than two or even three, and Madison Avenue ran with
>> it.
>
> Are you sure it was Madison Avenue that ran with it? When I hear that
> style of commercial, it's usually for some brain supplement or ED
> treatment or home loan related.

I don't think I've ever heard an ED treatment add with a 1800 number.
Around here the endless repetition of phone numbers is for
exterminators, bail-bondsmen, plumbers and HVAC, carpet cleaners.

Xho
--
Corky's!!!!!!

Bill Turlock

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Nov 8, 2009, 2:55:50 PM11/8/09
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Greg Goss wrote:
>
> DT <dthomp...@wowway.com> wrote:
>
> >That's for sure. Of course I grew up working for the Gummint so I don't
> >have much sense of how important the corporate name is. Although we often
> >decried the budget cuts that affected NASA. Maybe I should suggest they
> >start putting advertising on the shuttle, like NASCAR racers. Lots of
> >space, it could raise millions.
> >
> >Or heck, just rename the shuttle for each launch. "Houston, this is
> >Chick-fil-A-on-orbit-one-niner, do you read me?"
>
> You don't remember this image that came around sometime in the late
> nineties?
> http://fun-pics.com/rocket,space%20shuttle,advertising.html

tangentially:

http://fun-pics.com/baby,advertisments.html

bobg

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Nov 8, 2009, 6:40:16 PM11/8/09
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On Nov 5, 6:44 pm, DT <dthompson4...@wowway.com> wrote:

<snip>

> Will we ever have another Wrigley Field, Empire State building or Sears
> Tower with a name that lives forever? Hell, we don't even have the Sears
> Tower anymore.

Empire State Building, okay - great name, iconic, etc. But the Sears
Tower? The name made sense in 1973, but by 1994 Sears had vacated it
- if renaming it is trashing history, then so is the fact that the new
renter of my last apartment replaced my stick-on label on the mailbox
with his own.

And Wrigley Field - that's the one that used to be Cubs' Field,
right? Renamed by the team owner William Wrigley, probably just to
aggrandize himself, and not advertise the little chewing-gum business
that he dabbled in on the side...

DT

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Nov 8, 2009, 7:23:33 PM11/8/09
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In article
<c426ae24-7d76-4ff4...@h34g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
byo...@gmail.com says...


You know, if you are going to counter observational humor with facts, it's
gonna throw the whole comedy biz off kilter.

--
Dennis

Snidely

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Nov 9, 2009, 2:54:46 AM11/9/09
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On Nov 7, 10:15 am, Xho Jingleheimerschmidt <xhos...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't think I've ever heard an ED treatment add with a 1800 number.
> Around here the endless repetition of phone numbers is for
> exterminators, bail-bondsmen, plumbers and HVAC, carpet cleaners.

You should be able to get some LA AM stations -- especially late
night, when these usually run. The exterminators and plumbers are
usually not so bad about beating you on the head with the number (and
some of the Mike Diamond commercials are cute) but the non-
prescription ED people are ... obnoxious.

/dps

Snidely

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Nov 9, 2009, 2:57:38 AM11/9/09
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I only hear bail bondsmen ads on rare occasions, but DUI lawyers have
been buying a lot of time.

/dps

Paul L. Madarasz

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Nov 9, 2009, 9:08:24 AM11/9/09
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On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 23:57:38 -0800 (PST), Snidely
<snide...@gmail.com> wrote, perhaps among other things:

Is Mike Diamond the "smell good" plumbers? I hear them on KNX a lot.
--
Sorry I can't stop and talk now,
I'm in kind of a hurry anyhow,
but I'll send you a tape from California.

Snidely

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Nov 9, 2009, 12:47:19 PM11/9/09
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On Nov 9, 6:08 am, Paul L. Madarasz <madpl...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Is Mike Diamond the "smell good" plumbers? I hear them on KNX a lot.


Ayup. Mike Diamond has ads on a lot of radio stations so he follows
me around the dial. What else do you listen to from the LA area?

/dps

Paul L. Madarasz

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Nov 9, 2009, 1:32:30 PM11/9/09
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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:47:19 -0800 (PST), Snidely

<snide...@gmail.com> wrote, perhaps among other things:

>On Nov 9, 6:08 am, Paul L. Madarasz <madpl...@yahoo.com> wrote:

I can only get KNX from here in Tucson, and I don't listen to it all
that much (when the jazz station is playing something I'm not in the
mood for). But I like the smell good plumbers.

Opus the Penguin

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Nov 10, 2009, 12:02:45 PM11/10/09
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Paul L. Madarasz (madp...@yahoo.com) wrote:

> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:47:19 -0800 (PST), Snidely
> <snide...@gmail.com> wrote, perhaps among other things:
>
>>On Nov 9, 6:08��am, Paul L. Madarasz <madpl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is Mike Diamond the "smell good" plumbers? I hear them on KNX a
>>> lot.
>>
>>
>>Ayup. Mike Diamond has ads on a lot of radio stations so he
>>follows me around the dial. What else do you listen to from the
>>LA area?
>>
>

> I can only get KNX from here in Tucson, and I don't listen to it
> all that much (when the jazz station is playing something I'm not
> in the mood for).


I bet you could get KFI AM 640 as well. They're another (the other?)
50,000 watt station in L.A. I have a friend who used to listen to
them in Sitka, Alaska. (I also recall an anecdote from someone who
pulled them in briefly in West Virginia one evening when the
ionosphere was just right.)

--
Opus the Penguin
The best darn penguin in all of Usenet

Snidely

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Nov 10, 2009, 4:52:25 PM11/10/09
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On Nov 10, 9:02 am, Opus the Penguin <opusthepenguin+use...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Paul L. Madarasz (madpl...@yahoo.com) wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:47:19 -0800 (PST), Snidely
> > <snidely....@gmail.com> wrote, perhaps among other things:

>
> >>On Nov 9, 6:08¶ÿam, Paul L. Madarasz <madpl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Is Mike Diamond the "smell good" plumbers? I hear them on KNX a
> >>> lot.
>
> >>Ayup.  Mike Diamond has ads on a lot of radio stations so he
> >>follows me around the dial.  What else do you listen to from the
> >>LA area?
>
> > I can only get KNX from here in Tucson, and I don't listen to it
> > all that much (when the jazz station is playing something I'm not
> > in the mood for).

"Southern California's Only All News Station" -- well, at least since
they got past the KFWB 40th Anniversary stuff and made that call sign
do "News Talk". (It's a sister station, BTW, but used CNN soundbites
instead of Mama CBS' for national news.) (The Anniversary stuff
included that the first day of reporting had a lot of news out of
Memphis -- MLK didn't make it to 40 years.)

> I bet you could get KFI AM 640 as well. They're another (the other?)
> 50,000 watt station in L.A. I have a friend who used to listen to
> them in Sitka, Alaska. (I also recall an anecdote from someone who
> pulled them in briefly in West Virginia one evening when the
> ionosphere was just right.)

I have listened to Wildcat basketball games on some nights, but more
often I hear KCBS from up Bill's way.

When in my youth I stayed with my aunt in Newport (OR), we would
listen to classical music (and I think other music programs) from a
San Fran station. The radio was one of those that the Disney and
Fleischer cartoons would make into a face; the antenna was a bare
stranded (steel?) wire in the attic.

I have a 10m radio that I fire up occasionally. Like the CB people
who stole 11m, I have been able to hear Texas and farther (I use a
magmount antenna that probably began life as a CB accessory). And
while working a compadre's 40m radio with a longwire antenna, I've
worked a Japanese station. And as a kid, I impressed myself with a
shortwave receiver that picked up a Russian station with English
accents discussing fertilizer. That antenna was salvaged phone cable,
a 2' hunk that I pulled apart and twisted the ends of each solid
copper wire together into a 30' sloper.

/dps


/dps

Paul L. Madarasz

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Nov 10, 2009, 5:30:48 PM11/10/09
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:02:45 GMT, Opus the Penguin
<opusthepen...@gmail.com> wrote, perhaps among other things:

>Paul L. Madarasz (madp...@yahoo.com) wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:47:19 -0800 (PST), Snidely
>> <snide...@gmail.com> wrote, perhaps among other things:
>>

>>>On Nov 9, 6:08?am, Paul L. Madarasz <madpl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is Mike Diamond the "smell good" plumbers? I hear them on KNX a
>>>> lot.
>>>
>>>
>>>Ayup. Mike Diamond has ads on a lot of radio stations so he
>>>follows me around the dial. What else do you listen to from the
>>>LA area?
>>>
>>
>> I can only get KNX from here in Tucson, and I don't listen to it
>> all that much (when the jazz station is playing something I'm not
>> in the mood for).
>
>
>I bet you could get KFI AM 640 as well. They're another (the other?)
>50,000 watt station in L.A. I have a friend who used to listen to
>them in Sitka, Alaska. (I also recall an anecdote from someone who
>pulled them in briefly in West Virginia one evening when the
>ionosphere was just right.)

I remember picking up KFI when I lived in other parts of Tucson, but
I can't seem to pick it up from where I'm living now.

My best AM-DX was while I was living on Cape Cod, and picked up the
BBC station on Antigua on my car radio. It was a semi-regular thing,
too.

Mac

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Nov 10, 2009, 6:16:02 PM11/10/09
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On Nov 10, 2:30 pm, Paul L. Madarasz <madpl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:02:45 GMT, Opus the Penguin
> <opusthepenguin+use...@gmail.com> wrote, perhaps among other things:

>
>
>
> >Paul L. Madarasz (madpl...@yahoo.com) wrote:
>
> >> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:47:19 -0800 (PST), Snidely
> >> <snidely....@gmail.com> wrote, perhaps among other things:

>
> >>>On Nov 9, 6:08?am, Paul L. Madarasz <madpl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> Is Mike Diamond the "smell good" plumbers? I hear them on KNX a
> >>>> lot.
>
> >>>Ayup.  Mike Diamond has ads on a lot of radio stations so he
> >>>follows me around the dial.  What else do you listen to from the
> >>>LA area?
>
> >> I can only get KNX from here in Tucson, and I don't listen to it
> >> all that much (when the jazz station is playing something I'm not
> >> in the mood for).
>
> >I bet you could get KFI AM 640 as well. They're another (the other?)
> >50,000 watt station in L.A. I have a friend who used to listen to
> >them in Sitka, Alaska. (I also recall an anecdote from someone who
> >pulled them in briefly in West Virginia one evening when the
> >ionosphere was just right.)
>
> I remember picking up KFI when I lived in other parts of  Tucson, but
> I can't seem to pick it up from where I'm living now.
>
> My best AM-DX was while I was living on Cape Cod, and picked up the
> BBC station on Antigua on my car radio. It was a semi-regular thing,
> too.

When I was a'servin' of his majesty the RayGun at Ft Cowbell,
Kentucky, I used to get WBZ (Boston) regular as clockwork. I think
WCRB once or twice, too. (Anybody (that means you, Mr. Wisnia)
remember the Twister quiz?) AM travels after sundown.

Paul L. Madarasz

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Nov 10, 2009, 7:39:22 PM11/10/09
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:16:02 -0800 (PST), Mac <ANMC...@ALUM.WPI.EDU>

When I was living in Detroit in the mid-60s, I used to listen to WBZ a
lot at night. Dick Summer was pretty entertaining.

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