some quotes on drinking
weary flake
of it. None would ever have existed but for the art of man interfering
with the operations of nature. So far is alcohol from being a
natural or legitimate product that its manufacture is A WAR AGAINST
NATURE AND AGAINST NATURE'S GOD. Having no legitimate use as a
drink or remedy, being a poison and a curse, a deadly enemy to
health, peace, and human happiness, a special weapon of warfare
against morality, virtue, and Christianity, the production, sale,
or purchase of alcohol, giving it to others, or its use as a beverage,
in the form of spirituous liquors, ale, porter, wine, bitters, or
other alcoholic intoxicant, is A BLASPHEMOUS DEFIANCE OF ALMIGHTY
GOD, A WAR WAGED FOR THE FRUSTRATION OF HIS DIVINE PURPOSES AND
DESIGNS, A VIOLATION OF EVERY ONE OF THE TEN COMMANDMENTS AND OF
EVERY PRECEPT OF THE GOSPEL, AND IT IS THE BLACKEST AND VILEST
TREASON AGAINST HUMANITY.
-- Captain Albert D. Wood
PRESIDENTIAL DECLARATION.
Being satisfied from observation and experience, as well as from
medical testimony, that ardent spirit, as a drink, is not only
needless but hurtful, and that the entire disuse of it would tend
to promote the health, the virtue and happiness of the community,
we hereby express our conviction that should the citizens of the
United States, and especially all young men, discountenance entirely
the use of it, they would not only promote their own personal benefit
but the good of our country and the world. -- JAMES MADISON, JOHN
Q. ADAMS, ANDREW JACKSON, MARTIN VAN BUREN, JOHN TYLER, JAMES K.
POLK, ZACHARY TAYLOR, MILLARD FILLMORE, FRANKLIN PIERCE, JAMES
BUCHANAN, ABRAHAM LINCOLN, ANDREW JOHNSON.
THE NATURAL RESULTS AND EFFECTS OF ARDENT SPIRITS.
Alcohol is classed among the poisons by medical writers on poisons.
I do not know of an exception among physicians. It is ranked among
the poisons from its effects on the body analogous to those of other
poisons. What is said of the effect of alcohol must be true of all
doses, large or small, although the effect of very minute doses may
be imperceptible. Arsenic may be administered in doses so small
as to produce no apparent ill effects; yet no one doubts that arsenic
is a poison.
If a person dies of delirium tremens, it is not the last glass that
kills him, but every does or glass he has taken in his life has
conduced to the result. -- DR. REUBEN D. MUSSEY, PROFESSOR OF
ANATOMY AND SURGERY, DARTMOUTH COLLEGE.
SENTNECE OF A MUDERER.
By one fatal act your wife was sent to the cold and silent mansions
of the dead; your children were deprived of all the endearments and
fostering care of their mother, and you are fated to expiate your
offense upon the gallows. Upon a review of the shocking transaction
the question naturally presents itself, What could have perverted
your nature? what could have so steeled your heart? The answer
is, Spiritous liquor. It has had the effect to estrange you from
the most endearing relation, from the ties of blood, from your
obligations to your fellow beings and your Creator. If any further
evidence were wanting to manifest the desolating effects of ardent
spirits which have moved like a destroying angel over our land, we
have it in the astounding fact that, within the last two months,
three men have been arraigned before me on charges of murdering
their wives, and each of these offenses was committed by intemperate
men. -- JUDGE EDWARDS, SENTENCE OF DEATH UPON JAMES RANSOM.
I challenge any man who understands the nature of ardent spirit,
and yet for the sake of gain continues to be engaged in the traffic,
to show that he is not involved in the guilt of muder. -- REV.
LYMAN BEECHER, D.D.
TEACHERS IN PRISON.
The records of one of England's great cities show that of 649
Protestant prisoners, 593 had been in Sabbath-schools, on an average
from six to seven years each; and out of 724 Protestant prisoners,
one in nine had been teachers, and two-thirds of them all came to
prison through strong drink. -- Miss Frances E. Willard.
Dana Carpender
> But alcohol is not found in nature. God never created a particle
> of it. None would ever have existed but for the art of man interfering
> with the operations of nature. So far is alcohol from being a
> natural or legitimate product that its manufacture is A WAR AGAINST
> NATURE AND AGAINST NATURE'S GOD.
WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Gee, and here when I was 14 a Yellowstone ranger told me about an
incident where a bunch of bears got into berries that had fermented on
the bush, and got swacked.
God may not create alcohol, but yeast sure does. And one assumes that
if there is a God, God created yeast. This quote is just so dumb it's
excruciating.
Dana
art...@yahoo.com
Fruit Flies lay eggs on rotting fruit. Which means the maggots are
just swimming in alcohol. Luckily for them, they have alcohol
dehydrogenase (a gift from God, Satan or Evolution). Flies that do not
have this enzyme do not do so well when given alcohol. In fact, you
have to be careful when supplementing their food with yeast, which is
commonly done to add protein to their diets (standard Drosophila Media
tends to be low in protein). Too much live yeast will kill the poor
mutants. We used to autoclave the yeast first.
(When I was in graduate school we spend a fair amount of time studying
drunken fruit flies when we weren't studying drunken graduate
students)
Hieronymus Agricola
(in article <heckga$a6l$1...@news.eternal-september.org>):
ￜBeer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.ￜ
-- Benjamin Franklin
John Hatpin
When I was a kid, our home backed onto a derelict orchard, apple and
pear trees mainly, and drunken wasps were a common hazard in autumn.
--
John Hatpin
http://uninformedcomment.wordpress.com/
Mark Steese
news:0001HW.C72F5977...@nntp.earthlink.net:
> �Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.�
> -- Benjamin Franklin
Wine, as it happens:
"We hear of the conversion of water into wine at the marriage in
Cana as of a miracle. But this conversion is, through the goodness
of God, made every day before our eyes. Behold the rain which
descends from heaven upon our vineyards; there it enters the roots of
the vines, to be changed into wine; a constant proof that God loves
us, and loves to see us happy."
-letter to Andr� Morellet, c. 1780
For my money, Housman has the best beer-related lines: "And malt does
more than Milton can/To justify God's ways to man."
--
Mark Steese
=======================================================================
PS: Your second question, you thought I forgot? I didn't. I never found
the banana slug. - William Least Heat-Moon
Mitch
> Hieronymus Agricola <use...@bauerstar.com> wrote innews:0001HW.C72F5977...@nntp.earthlink.net:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:20:25 -0700, Dana Carpender wrote
>
> >> weary flake wrote:
> >>> But alcohol is not found in nature. God never created a particle
> >>> of it. None would ever have existed but for the art of man
> >>> interfering with the operations of nature. So far is alcohol from
> >>> being a natural or legitimate product that its manufacture is A WAR
> >>> AGAINST NATURE AND AGAINST NATURE'S GOD.
>
> >> WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>
> >> Gee, and here when I was 14 a Yellowstone ranger told me about an
> >> incident where a bunch of bears got into berries that had fermented
> >> on the bush, and got swacked.
>
> >> God may not create alcohol, but yeast sure does. And one assumes
> >> that if there is a God, God created yeast. This quote is just so dumb
> >> it's excruciating.
>
> > ³Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.²
> > -- Benjamin Franklin
>
> Wine, as it happens:
>
> "We hear of the conversion of water into wine at the marriage in
> Cana as of a miracle. But this conversion is, through the goodness
> of God, made every day before our eyes. Behold the rain which
> descends from heaven upon our vineyards; there it enters the roots of
> the vines, to be changed into wine; a constant proof that God loves
> us, and loves to see us happy."
>
> For my money, Housman has the best beer-related lines: "And malt does
> more than Milton can/To justify God's ways to man."
Beer? And here I was thinking scotch...
The arse-burger's flaring up again.
-Mitch (who, for the record, has seen birds sloshed on fermented
mountain ash berries, and one very cute, surprisingly clean rattus
norwegicus staggering down a table grape vine after an extended late
autumn warm spell. )
Mitch
> For my money, Housman has the best beer-related lines: "And malt does
> more than Milton can/To justify God's ways to man."
Although he continues, "Ale, man, ale's the stuff to drink
For fellows whom it hurts to think"
-Mitch (but he was right the first time...)
art...@yahoo.com
> Hieronymus Agricola <use...@bauerstar.com> wrote innews:0001HW.C72F5977...@nntp.earthlink.net:
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:20:25 -0700, Dana Carpender wrote
>
> >> weary flake wrote:
> >>> But alcohol is not found in nature. God never created a particle
> >>> of it. None would ever have existed but for the art of man
> >>> interfering with the operations of nature. So far is alcohol from
> >>> being a natural or legitimate product that its manufacture is A WAR
> >>> AGAINST NATURE AND AGAINST NATURE'S GOD.
>
> >> WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>
> >> Gee, and here when I was 14 a Yellowstone ranger told me about an
> >> incident where a bunch of bears got into berries that had fermented
> >> on the bush, and got swacked.
>
> >> God may not create alcohol, but yeast sure does. And one assumes
> >> that if there is a God, God created yeast. This quote is just so dumb
> >> it's excruciating.
>
> > ³Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.²
> > -- Benjamin Franklin
>
> Wine, as it happens:
>
> "We hear of the conversion of water into wine at the marriage in
> Cana as of a miracle. But this conversion is, through the goodness
> of God, made every day before our eyes. Behold the rain which
> descends from heaven upon our vineyards; there it enters the roots of
> the vines, to be changed into wine; a constant proof that God loves
> us, and loves to see us happy."
Speaking of wine, I have been requested to provide a bottle of
Chardonnay for Thanksgiving and not being a wine conosewer, I thought
I might find someone here who could recommend a good brand.
Paul L. Madarasz
<art...@yahoo.com> wrote, perhaps among other things:
>Speaking of wine, I have been requested to provide a bottle of
>Chardonnay for Thanksgiving and not being a wine conosewer, I thought
>I might find someone here who could recommend a good brand.
Any brand, as long as the top screws on and off easily.
--
"Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell."
-- Ed Abbey
John Hatpin
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 04:27:08 -0800 (PST), "art...@yahoo.com"
> <art...@yahoo.com> wrote, perhaps among other things:
>
>
> >Speaking of wine, I have been requested to provide a bottle of
> >Chardonnay for Thanksgiving and not being a wine conosewer, I thought
> >I might find someone here who could recommend a good brand.
>
> Any brand, as long as the top screws on and off easily.
Or the tap isn't too hard to pull out of the box.
Mac
Is vinogel still around these days?
Ted The Cat
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:20:25 -0700, Dana Carpender wrote
>
>
>
>
>
> > weary flake wrote:
> >> But alcohol is not found in nature. God never created a particle
> >> of it. None would ever have existed but for the art of man interfering
> >> with the operations of nature. So far is alcohol from being a
> >> natural or legitimate product that its manufacture is A WAR AGAINST
> >> NATURE AND AGAINST NATURE'S GOD.
>
> > WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>
> > Gee, and here when I was 14 a Yellowstone ranger told me about an
> > incident where a bunch of bears got into berries that had fermented on
> > the bush, and got swacked.
>
> > God may not create alcohol, but yeast sure does. And one assumes that
> > if there is a God, God created yeast. This quote is just so dumb it's
> > excruciating.
>
> -- Benjamin Franklin- Hide quoted text -
Indeed the Idols I have loved so long
Have done my Credit in Men's Eye much wrong:
Have drown'd my Honour in a shallow Cup,
And sold my Reputation for a Song.
And much as Wine has play'd the Infidel
And robb'd me of my Robe of Honour---well,
I often wonder what the Vintners buy
One half so precious as the Goods they sell.
Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam
Charles Wm. Dimmick
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 04:27:08 -0800 (PST), "art...@yahoo.com"
> <art...@yahoo.com> wrote, perhaps among other things:
>
>
>> Speaking of wine, I have been requested to provide a bottle of
>> Chardonnay for Thanksgiving and not being a wine conosewer, I thought
>> I might find someone here who could recommend a good brand.
>
> Any brand, as long as the top screws on and off easily.
The best Chardonnay for under $14 a bottle that I have ever had was from
the Haight Vineyards, Litchfield, CT.
Whoops! Just checked. They now want $16.98 a bottle.
QueBarbara
>> � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � -letter to Andr� Morellet, c. 1780
>
>Speaking of wine, I have been requested to provide a bottle of
>Chardonnay for Thanksgiving and not being a wine conosewer, I thought
>I might find someone here who could recommend a good brand.
How much do you want to spend? This last weekend I had a pretty
decent Rodney Strong, Estate Vineyards, 2007, Chalk Hill, Sonoma
County[1], that was about 15-16 bucks.
[1] Based on the wording of that recommendation, it's probably obvious
I'm no expert. I'm reading from top to bottom on the bottle's label.
--
QueBarbara
Rick B.
@news.eternal-september.org:
> The best Chardonnay for under $14 a bottle that I have ever had was from
> the Haight Vineyards, Litchfield, CT.
> Whoops! Just checked. They now want $16.98 a bottle.
I haight when that happens.
S. Checker
> But alcohol is not found in nature. God never created a particle
> of it. None would ever have existed but for the art of man interfering
> with the operations of nature. So far is alcohol from being a
> natural or legitimate product that its manufacture is A WAR AGAINST
> NATURE AND AGAINST NATURE'S GOD. Having no legitimate use as a
> drink or remedy, being a poison and a curse, a deadly enemy to
> health, peace, and human happiness, a special weapon of warfare
> against morality, virtue, and Christianity, the production, sale,
> or purchase of alcohol, giving it to others, or its use as a beverage,
> in the form of spirituous liquors, ale, porter, wine, bitters, or
> other alcoholic intoxicant, is A BLASPHEMOUS DEFIANCE OF ALMIGHTY
> GOD, A WAR WAGED FOR THE FRUSTRATION OF HIS DIVINE PURPOSES AND
> DESIGNS, A VIOLATION OF EVERY ONE OF THE TEN COMMANDMENTS AND OF
> EVERY PRECEPT OF THE GOSPEL, AND IT IS THE BLACKEST AND VILEST
> TREASON AGAINST HUMANITY.
And that's how we know that BHO was born in Kenya! Please visit my
e-store for T-Shirts, Placards and Witty Coffee Mugs such as "Lip's That
Touch Wine WILL BURN IN HELL!!!!"
> -- Captain Albert D. Wood
>
--
They used dogs. They used probes. They used cardio plate crossoffs.
They used teepers. They used bribery. They used stick tites. They
used intimidation. They used torment. They used torture. They used
finks. They used cops. They used search and seizure. They used
fallaron. They used betterment incentives. They used finger prints.
They used the bertillion system. They used cunning. They used guile.
They used treachery. They used Raoul-Mitgong but he wasn't much help.
They used applied physics. They used techniques of criminology. And
what the hell, they caught him.
-- Harlan Ellison, "Repent, Harlequin, said the Tick-Tock Man"
art...@yahoo.com
wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 04:27:08 -0800 (PST), "art...@yahoo.com"
> >Speaking of wine, I have been requested to provide a bottle of
> >Chardonnay for Thanksgiving and not being a wine conosewer, I thought
> >I might find someone here who could recommend a good brand.
>
> How much do you want to spend? This last weekend I had a pretty
> decent Rodney Strong, Estate Vineyards, 2007, Chalk Hill, Sonoma
> County[1], that was about 15-16 bucks.
>
> [1] Based on the wording of that recommendation, it's probably obvious
> I'm no expert. I'm reading from top to bottom on the bottle's label.
Thats in the right price range. I figure a 1-2 cents/ml is a good
price.
Dover Beach
news:lr8tt6x...@fernon.pffcu.org:
> And that's how we know that BHO was born in Kenya! Please visit my
> e-store for T-Shirts, Placards and Witty Coffee Mugs such as "Lip's
> That Touch Wine WILL BURN IN HELL!!!!"
I'd like a set of six, please.
--
Dover
Lee Ayrton
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 04:27:08 -0800 (PST), "art...@yahoo.com"
> <art...@yahoo.com> wrote, perhaps among other things:
>
>
>>Speaking of wine, I have been requested to provide a bottle of
>>Chardonnay for Thanksgiving and not being a wine conosewer, I thought
>>I might find someone here who could recommend a good brand.
>
> Any brand, as long as the top screws on and off easily.
Mmmm. Any Brandy, so long as she screws easily.
Lee Ayrton
> But alcohol is not found in nature. God never created a particle
> of it. None would ever have existed but for the art of man interfering
Which is pure, unadulterated bullshit.
What is it with you and turn of the 20th century temperance tracts? Is
there a Cecil Adams connection there that I'm missing?
Lee "think I'll have another drink. now." Ayrton
John Hatpin
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:54:47 -0800, weary flake wrote:
>
> > But alcohol is not found in nature. God never created a particle
> > of it. None would ever have existed but for the art of man interfering
>
> Which is pure, unadulterated bullshit.
>
> What is it with you and turn of the 20th century temperance tracts? Is
> there a Cecil Adams connection there that I'm missing?
Good luck trying to find out. I've even tried the "I'm a temperate
ex-drinker type too" line, but that didn't have any effect. Maybe he
lurks and reads other threads and knows that I'm not at all
reactionary about it.
Hieronymus Agricola
(in article <Xns9CCD5DDEC4A9Dmo...@130.133.1.4>):
I like the ironic apo'strophe.
--
Jerry "an 's' is coming!" Bauer
Mary
> spam...@gmail.com (S. Checker) wrote innews:lr8tt6x...@fernon.pffcu.org:
>
> > And that's how we know that BHO was born in Kenya! Please visit my
> > e-store for T-Shirts, Placards and Witty Coffee Mugs such as "Lip's
> > That Touch Wine WILL BURN IN HELL!!!!"
>
> I'd like a set of six, please.
Can we get the motto on wineglasses instead?
Mary
Hieronymus Agricola
(in article
<b7c1fa83-d2e7-4046...@p32g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>):
How about rosￜ-colored glasses?
--
Jerry "a mocker" Bauer
S. Checker
With six you get a jug of Boone's Farm Strawberry Wine.
--
Not being a geologist, I can't get very technical but it just went
kaboom...
Chief Ranger Denny Ziemann
Ted The Cat
> Dover Beach <moon.blanc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >news:lr8tt6x...@fernon.pffcu.org:
>
> >> And that's how we know that BHO was born in Kenya! Please visit my
> >> e-store for T-Shirts, Placards and Witty Coffee Mugs such as "Lip's
> >> That Touch Wine WILL BURN IN HELL!!!!"
>
> > I'd like a set of six, please.
>
> With six you get a jug of Boone's Farm Strawberry Wine.
Oh, my God, I think I'm having a flash back to the 60s.
weary flake
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:54:47 -0800, weary flake wrote:
>
> > But alcohol is not found in nature. God never created a particle
> > of it. None would ever have existed but for the art of man interfering
>
> Which is pure, unadulterated bullshit.
>
> What is it with you and turn of the 20th century temperance tracts? Is
> there a Cecil Adams connection there that I'm missing?
Just the facts man, just the facts.
Dana Carpender
The fact is alcohol is found in nature, created by yeast. Man has to
interfere in the process for carbohydrate-containing liquids *not* to
turn into alcohol.
Dana
Veronique
Mmm, hard cider.
V.
--
Veronique Chez Sheep
John Hatpin
You ain't interested in the facts. You know very little about
alcohol, by the looks of things.
huey.c...@gmail.com
Y'know, in the back of my head, I've been thinking about what you said
earlier about being a fellow temperance fan for most of the evening.
One of the things that occurs to me is that, over the course of the last
twenty years or so, in the admittedly changing group of people I hang
around with, I have moved from as often as not being the drunkest person
in the room to as often as not being the most sober person in the room,
and a part of me is really starting to see the wisdom of this change.
But, y'know, if I couldn't have a stiff gin & tonic when I got home from
work, I think I'd give serious consideration to not going to work.
I don't often drink to excess these days, but a tasty cold beverage
every now and then is a pleasant thing, and I can't imagine what could
drive some poor demented soul to rant at me about the evils of that. Is
there any other expected reaction than "okay, so YOU'RE a nutcase then"?
--
Huey
Opus the Penguin
> John Hatpin <RemoveThi...@gmailandthistoo.com> wrote:
>> weary flake wrote:
>> > Lee Ayrton <lay...@panix.com> wrote:
>> > > On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:54:47 -0800, weary flake wrote:
>> > > > But alcohol is not found in nature. God never created a
>> > > > particle of it. None would ever have existed but for the
>> > > > art of man interfering
>> > > Which is pure, unadulterated bullshit.
>> > > What is it with you and turn of the 20th century temperance
>> > > tracts? Is there a Cecil Adams connection there that I'm
>> > > missing?
>> > Just the facts man, just the facts.
>> You ain't interested in the facts. You know very little about
>> alcohol, by the looks of things.
>
> Y'know, in the back of my head, I've been thinking about what you
> said earlier about being a fellow temperance fan for most of the
> evening.
I'm interested in the history by which "temperance" came to mean
"total abstinence". Do you suppose it was a conscious decision to use
the word to mean something else? Or did the temperance movement
really start out by encouraging people to drink moderately?
--
Opus the Penguin
The best darn penguin in all of Usenet
John Hatpin
I just don't get it. On the other hand, I'm inclined to give anyone
who's had bad booze problems one hell of a lot of slack, and not to
adopt the line "hey, I'm OK, why are you not OK?". For I know that my
own experience is very unusual and I've been extraordinarily lucky.
In case you missed the memos, I drank daily for many years (a
desperate but futile attempt to manage a generalised
anxiety/agoraphobia/panic condition), but when Mr Liver went on his
holidays and I had to stop drinking, it was so easy it's
embarrassing, and I've never had a problem since.
Very occasionally, when the weather's fine or I'm thirsty or
something, I do find myself thinking "a nice cold beer would go down
just fine right now"; all that takes is a counterthought ("but that
wouldn't be a good idea") and it's gone. I'm not even sure that the
avoidance is necessary - my liver's healed, and I wouldn't be drinking
for medicinal reasons any more. But it's not something I plan on
trying.
I don't consider myself an "alcoholic" in the generally accepted sense
of the word, although if someone wants to apply that label to me for
some reason, I'm not going to argue the case. I certainly had a drink
problem, but it ain't like the drink problems you see in the movies or
hear about in AA. And if you're with me and you fancy a beer or a
glass of wine or whatever, by all means go ahead. Booze is mighty
fine stuff in moderation, and I ain't got no 'tude about it, as the
kids say.
(The other day, I was talking with my son about alcohol, and he said
he only had one memory of me being drunk. Oh no, I thought, what did
I do? Turns out, when he was very young indeed, late at night when he
couldn't sleep, he heard me come upstairs and go past his bedroom door
on the way to bed, walking very slowly and carefully. When he asked
his mum if I was OK, she grinned and said that I was a bit drunk,
that's all.)
John Hatpin
From the OED:
"2. a. spec. The avoidance of excess in eating and drinking; esp., in
later use, moderation in regard to intoxicants, sobriety. Now often
applied to the practice or principle of total abstinence from
alcoholic drink; teetotalism.
[1509 FISHER Funeral Serm. C'tess of Richmond Wks. (1876) 293 Her
sobre temperaunce in metes & drynkes was knowen to al them that were
conuersaunt with her.] 1542 BOORDE Dyetary ix. (1870) 251 Surfetes do
kyll many men, and temporaunce doth prolonge the lyfe. 1697 W. DAMPIER
Voy. (1729) I. 69 Having..agreed upon some particular Rules,
especially of Temperance and Sobriety. a1718 PENN Tracts Wks. 1726 I.
909 Temperance,..Properly and strictly speaking it refers to Diet.
1727 BAILEY vol. II, Temperance..the two Species of it are Sobriety,
which moderates our eating and drinking, and Chastity. 1727-46 THOMSON
Summer 1609 Sound Temperance, Healthful in heart and look. 1775 ASH,
Temperance, Moderation, the opposite to gluttony and drunkenness. 1826
(title) American Society for the Promotion of Temperance. 1849 COBDEN
in Morley Life xviii. (1902) 69/1 With a delicate frame..I have been
enabled, by temperance, to do the work of a strong man. 1887 M. E.
BRADDON Like & Unlike i, Where I can enjoy a stiff glass of grog with
my feet on the hobs, and with nobody to preach temperance. 1890 BESANT
Demoniac i, Not the least breath of suspicion had ever rested upon him
in the matter of temperance."
huey.c...@gmail.com
> The other day, I was talking with my son about alcohol, and he said
> he only had one memory of me being drunk. Oh no, I thought, what did
> I do? Turns out, when he was very young indeed, late at night when he
> couldn't sleep, he heard me come upstairs and go past his bedroom door
> on the way to bed, walking very slowly and carefully. When he asked
> his mum if I was OK, she grinned and said that I was a bit drunk,
> that's all.
That's a much better story than the ones some of my old friends tell,
which tend to start with "Do you remember that one time...?", like "Do
you remember that one time you mooned a cop?", "Do you remember that one
time you puked on a Greyhound bus?", and so on.
--
Huey
N Jill Marsh
>One of the things that occurs to me is that, over the course of the last
>twenty years or so, in the admittedly changing group of people I hang
>around with, I have moved from as often as not being the drunkest person
>in the room to as often as not being the most sober person in the room,
>and a part of me is really starting to see the wisdom of this change.
Do you mean yourself drinking less, or are you just hanging around
drunker people?
nj"hic"m
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huey.c...@gmail.com
> huey.c...@gmail.com wrote:
> > One of the things that occurs to me is that, over the course of the
> > last twenty years or so, in the admittedly changing group of people
> > I hang around with, I have moved from as often as not being the
> > drunkest person in the room to as often as not being the most sober
> > person in the room, and a part of me is really starting to see the
> > wisdom of this change.
> Do you mean yourself drinking less, or are you just hanging around
> drunker people?
Yes.
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Huey
John Hatpin
I've plenty of stories like that, but they ended when I was about 19.
Beyond that age, I very, very rarely got to the stage where I did
anything at all stupid - long before I got to that stage, I'd want to
go to bed and sleep.
On the other hand, at one stage I was drinking 6-7 litres of strong
beer (5.0%) per day, every day. I just didn't get drunk, that's all.
Lee Ayrton
We tend to buy wines priced less than $10, and are generally well pleased
by them.
Bill Turlock
>
> huey.c...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > John Hatpin <RemoveThi...@gmailandthistoo.com> wrote:
> > > weary flake wrote:
> > > > Lee Ayrton <lay...@panix.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:54:47 -0800, weary flake wrote:
> > > > > > But alcohol is not found in nature. God never created a
> > > > > > particle of it. None would ever have existed but for the art of
> > > > > > man interfering
> > > > > Which is pure, unadulterated bullshit.
> > > > > What is it with you and turn of the 20th century temperance
> > > > > tracts? Is there a Cecil Adams connection there that I'm missing?
> > > > Just the facts man, just the facts.
> > > You ain't interested in the facts. You know very little about
> > > alcohol, by the looks of things.
> >
> > Y'know, in the back of my head, I've been thinking about what you said
> > earlier about being a fellow temperance fan for most of the evening.
> >
> (The other day, I was talking with my son about alcohol, and he said
> he only had one memory of me being drunk. Oh no, I thought, what did
> I do? Turns out, when he was very young indeed, late at night when he
> couldn't sleep, he heard me come upstairs and go past his bedroom door
> on the way to bed, walking very slowly and carefully. When he asked
> his mum if I was OK, she grinned and said that I was a bit drunk,
> that's all.)
way I see it you were being careful to not wake him.
weary flake
All that beer and you didn't even get drunk? Didn't you have access
to something healthier for sustenance, like frying-up black pudding by
the kilo? Better for you, and much tastier. Well, it's amazing what
peer pressure ("culture") can do to someone. We are so frightened to
shine negative feelings upon alcohol that we will do anything to defend
it, to advocate it, and we all become ambassadors and public relations
officers for drinking, because we don't realize that we are merely
bending to the pro-drinking messages all over the place, with nary an
anti-drinking message in sight; we are sitting ducks, we common people,
roasting in our bitter sauce. So it's a very good thing to counter
this with anti-drinking messages, for alternate viewpoints to live.
Opus the Penguin
> Well, it's amazing what
> peer pressure ("culture") can do to someone. We are so frightened
> to shine negative feelings upon alcohol that we will do anything
> to defend it, to advocate it, and we all become ambassadors and
> public relations officers for drinking, because we don't realize
> that we are merely bending to the pro-drinking messages all over
> the place, with nary an anti-drinking message in sight; we are
> sitting ducks, we common people, roasting in our bitter sauce. So
> it's a very good thing to counter this with anti-drinking
> messages, for alternate viewpoints to live.
But when you post something easily disprovable like "alcohol is not
found in nature," aren't you undermining your whole effort?
John Hatpin
> John Hatpin <RemoveThi...@gmailAndThisToo.com> wrote:
>
> > huey.c...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > John Hatpin <RemoveThi...@gmailandthistoo.com> wrote:
> > > > The other day, I was talking with my son about alcohol, and he said
> > > > he only had one memory of me being drunk. Oh no, I thought, what did
> > > > I do? Turns out, when he was very young indeed, late at night when he
> > > > couldn't sleep, he heard me come upstairs and go past his bedroom door
> > > > on the way to bed, walking very slowly and carefully. When he asked
> > > > his mum if I was OK, she grinned and said that I was a bit drunk,
> > > > that's all.
> > >
> > > That's a much better story than the ones some of my old friends tell,
> > > which tend to start with "Do you remember that one time...?", like "Do
> > > you remember that one time you mooned a cop?", "Do you remember that one
> > > time you puked on a Greyhound bus?", and so on.
> >
> > I've plenty of stories like that, but they ended when I was about 19.
> > Beyond that age, I very, very rarely got to the stage where I did
> > anything at all stupid - long before I got to that stage, I'd want to
> > go to bed and sleep.
> >
> > On the other hand, at one stage I was drinking 6-7 litres of strong
> > beer (5.0%) per day, every day. I just didn't get drunk, that's all.
>
> All that beer and you didn't even get drunk? Didn't you have access
> to something healthier for sustenance, like frying-up black pudding by
> the kilo? Better for you, and much tastier.
Why would I want black pudding? Sure, the stuff's tasty, but I
wouldn't say "tastier" (haven't you ever tried a decent pint?). But
you're missing the point - that beer made me feel better in myself,
more relaxed and content, which black pudding just won't do.
>Well, it's amazing what
> peer pressure ("culture") can do to someone.
Who are the peers here? I drank because I wanted to, not because
anyone was telling me to - in fact, nobody was. Anyone who expressed
an opinion would agree with me that I was drinking too much.
>We are so frightened to
> shine negative feelings upon alcohol that we will do anything to defend
> it, to advocate it, and we all become ambassadors and public relations
> officers for drinking, because we don't realize that we are merely
> bending to the pro-drinking messages all over the place, with nary an
> anti-drinking message in sight; we are sitting ducks, we common people,
> roasting in our bitter sauce. So
An interesting theory. Completely barking, of course, but ... yes,
interesting. So your theory (which is all your own) is that people
drink because they're frightened of other people who tell them they
should drink. Have I got it right?
>it's a very good thing to counter
> this with anti-drinking messages, for alternate viewpoints to live.
A good thing for what? You're evidently getting something out of
these posts of yours, but as a fellow teetotaller I can assure you
that you're not going to win a single convert this way.
Are you a reformed ex-drinker? Or do you still drink? Do you feel
that alcohol has ruined your life, or the lives of people you love? Do
you (still) feel anger against alcohol itself? Or at the world as a
whole?
Dana Carpender
Certainly encourages me to discount anything he might say.
Dana
Lee Ayrton
> One of the things that occurs to me is that, over the course of the last
> twenty years or so, in the admittedly changing group of people I hang
> around with, I have moved from as often as not being the drunkest person
> in the room to as often as not being the most sober person in the room,
> and a part of me is really starting to see the wisdom of this change.
Over the past few years there has been a two-axis change in my experience.
I'm aware of many more abstainers, are most Friends of Bill W. but not
all. At the same time, number of people around me that do drink seem to
have increased both in number and in frequency of imbibing and in their
enjoyment of a good drink.
art...@yahoo.com
<RemoveThisjfhop...@gmailAndThisToo.com> wrote:
>
> Why would I want black pudding? Sure, the stuff's tasty, but I
> wouldn't say "tastier" (haven't you ever tried a decent pint?). But
> you're missing the point - that beer made me feel better in myself,
> more relaxed and content, which black pudding just won't do.
>
> >Well, it's amazing what
> > peer pressure ("culture") can do to someone.
>
> Who are the peers here?
The ones who need to relieve themselves.
Mitch
> Dover Beach <moon.blanc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >news:lr8tt6x...@fernon.pffcu.org:
>
> >> And that's how we know that BHO was born in Kenya! Please visit my
> >> e-store for T-Shirts, Placards and Witty Coffee Mugs such as "Lip's
> >> That Touch Wine WILL BURN IN HELL!!!!"
>
> > I'd like a set of six, please.
>
> With six you get a jug of Boone's Farm Strawberry Wine.
Boone's Farm Strawberry *Hill* Wine.
-Mitch
Greg Goss
>On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:30:42 -0700, Paul L. Madarasz wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 04:27:08 -0800 (PST), "art...@yahoo.com"
>> <art...@yahoo.com> wrote, perhaps among other things:
>>
>>
>>>Speaking of wine, I have been requested to provide a bottle of
>>>Chardonnay for Thanksgiving and not being a wine conosewer, I thought
>>>I might find someone here who could recommend a good brand.
>>
>> Any brand, as long as the top screws on and off easily.
>
>Mmmm. Any Brandy, so long as she screws easily.
"What a fine wife you would be."
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Tomorrow is today already.
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Greg Goss
http://www.patrickmoberg.com/internet-vices/
Dana Carpender
"Good wife."
Dana "had the single and the sheet music"
groo
Since when do trolls care about facts or truth?
--
It's really nice under this bridge.
Opus the Penguin
Weary's not really a troll. He's a harmless eccentric and a bit of
local color.
S. Checker
> On Nov 24, 11:28?am, spam...@gmail.com (S. Checker) wrote:
>
>> With six you get a jug of Boone's Farm Strawberry Wine.
>
> Boone's Farm Strawberry *Hill* Wine.
This is a cheap knockoff.
--
From a certain point onward there is no longer any turning back. That is
the point that must be reached.
-- F. Kafka
Paul L. Madarasz
wrote, perhaps among other things:
>Mitch <mitch...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 24, 11:28?am, spam...@gmail.com (S. Checker) wrote:
>>
>>> With six you get a jug of Boone's Farm Strawberry Wine.
>>
>> Boone's Farm Strawberry *Hill* Wine.
>
>This is a cheap knockoff.
I thought the cheap knockoff was "Annie Green Springs."
--
"Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell."
-- Ed Abbey
Paul L. Madarasz
wrote, perhaps among other things:
>Mitch <mitch...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 24, 11:28?am, spam...@gmail.com (S. Checker) wrote:
>>
>>> With six you get a jug of Boone's Farm Strawberry Wine.
>>
>> Boone's Farm Strawberry *Hill* Wine.
>
>This is a cheap knockoff.
I thought the cheap knockoff was "Annie Green Springs."
S. Checker
> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:41:17 -0500, spa...@gmail.com (S. Checker)
> wrote, perhaps among other things:
>
>>Mitch <mitch...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Nov 24, 11:28?am, spam...@gmail.com (S. Checker) wrote:
>>>
>>>> With six you get a jug of Boone's Farm Strawberry Wine.
>>>
>>> Boone's Farm Strawberry *Hill* Wine.
>>
>>This is a cheap knockoff.
>
> I thought the cheap knockoff was "Annie Green Springs."
Truth be told, it's a Chinese copy of a Korean squid-based wine that
was traditionally fermented in the less fashionable insane asylums in
Haeju. I really can't emphasize how unpleasant it is enough.
--
That reminds me, I put in my Yaz CD the other day and realized it was
crap.
-- Aster achieves enlightenment in afca
groo
He repeatedly posts diatribes on the same subject, and fails to respond
to people pointing out simple factual errors (or pretty much anything
else). Maybe he's a troll who wears rainbow colored suspenders.
--
"Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice." -
Hamilcar Barca
Bill Turlock
>
> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:41:17 -0500, spa...@gmail.com (S. Checker)
> wrote, perhaps among other things:
>
> >Mitch <mitch...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Nov 24, 11:28?am, spam...@gmail.com (S. Checker) wrote:
> >>
> >>> With six you get a jug of Boone's Farm Strawberry Wine.
> >>
> >> Boone's Farm Strawberry *Hill* Wine.
> >
> >This is a cheap knockoff.
>
> I thought the cheap knockoff was "Annie Green Springs."
I got a couple of bottles of fine Australian wine on Saturday
from the 99.99� Only Store. For...99.99� each. They're still in
the truck till I can find a worthy recipient.
Opus the Penguin
They're not diatribes. They're historical artifacts. I find them
interesting.
> and fails to
> respond to people pointing out simple factual errors (or pretty
> much anything else).
For which we can only be thankful. That means that if you don't like
him, you can killfile him. You won't see interminable threads of
people arguing with him. That makes him more tolerable than me.
> Maybe he's a troll who wears rainbow colored
> suspenders.
>
Is that a bad thing?