how do I navigate a long thread
Jake Blues
elsewhere. However, sometimes google's search result will set me down
somewhere in the middle of the thread. For example, I'm looking at the
thread entitled "What Happens when a woman lies about birth control?"
That thread has 1165 posts *yipes!* I searched google groups and found
the right result, but when I clicked on the link, it took me to
messages 426-450 of 1165. Is there any way to get back to 1-25 without
having to press the "older" option again and again? My guess is that
there is a way to do it, and it has something to do with the long
sequence of letters and numbers in the link to the thread. But I
haven't figured it out yet. Any advice?
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Odyssey).
Kim
> I sometimes like to read past discussions, both here on AFCA and
> elsewhere. However, sometimes google's search result will set me down
> somewhere in the middle of the thread. For example, I'm looking at the
> thread entitled "What Happens when a woman lies about birth control?"
> That thread has 1165 posts *yipes!* I searched google groups and found
> the right result, but when I clicked on the link, it took me to
> messages 426-450 of 1165. Is there any way to get back to 1-25 without
> having to press the "older" option again and again? My guess is that
> there is a way to do it, and it has something to do with the long
> sequence of letters and numbers in the link to the thread. But I
> haven't figured it out yet. Any advice?
Over on the right it says "Go to top" - click that.
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Kim
*If I could go back in time, I would clone an army of Drs. Martin
Luther King, Jr. I'm not sure the clones could achieve any more than
the original, but the 50 extra days off from work would be nice.
(Davejames)*
Jake Blues
"Kim" <72flhtak...@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
news:11ki4sj...@corp.supernews.com...
> Jake Blues wrote:
> > I sometimes like to read past discussions, both here on AFCA and
> > elsewhere. However, sometimes google's search result will set me
down
> > somewhere in the middle of the thread. For example, I'm looking at
the
> > thread entitled "What Happens when a woman lies about birth
control?"
> > That thread has 1165 posts *yipes!* I searched google groups and
found
> > the right result, but when I clicked on the link, it took me to
> > messages 426-450 of 1165. Is there any way to get back to 1-25
without
> > having to press the "older" option again and again? My guess is
that
> > there is a way to do it, and it has something to do with the long
> > sequence of letters and numbers in the link to the thread. But I
> > haven't figured it out yet. Any advice?
>
> Over on the right it says "Go to top" - click that.
>
>
to the start of the current 25 posts on that page; not to the
beginning of the thread.
Peter Boulding
in <on42f.8523$ke....@bignews3.bellsouth.net>:
>I sometimes like to read past discussions, both here on AFCA and
>elsewhere. However, sometimes google's search result will set me down
>somewhere in the middle of the thread. For example, I'm looking at the
>thread entitled "What Happens when a woman lies about birth control?"
>That thread has 1165 posts *yipes!* I searched google groups and found
>the right result, but when I clicked on the link, it took me to
>messages 426-450 of 1165. Is there any way to get back to 1-25 without
>having to press the "older" option again and again? My guess is that
>there is a way to do it, and it has something to do with the long
>sequence of letters and numbers in the link to the thread. But I
>haven't figured it out yet. Any advice?
The obvious answer is, of course, not to use vile, horrible, Google groups.
If and when you must, try using the references header:
Suppose, for example, your search has taken you to
<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.cecil-adams/browse_thread/thread/b6ec0bc2cc44b565/dc688960df7d6751?hl=en#dc688960df7d6751>
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2CB322FB)
- which is message 80-ish in a thread of more than 170.
Click 'Show Options' and then 'Show Original', so that you can see the
headers.
Click'n'drag-select, and copy, the earliest message-ID in the 'References:'
header (v531k1tgrv0kege12...@4ax.com) to the clipboard.
Now click on the Advanced Groups Search link at the top of the page, and
paste that message ID into the Message ID field at the bottom of the form
and click the Lookup Message button.
The first message in the thread is now displayed. Now click 'Show options'
and then 'View thread' and you've finally arrived where you want to be.
That set of instructions demonstrates, to near perfection, what I mean by
the term "manager friendly."
Pass me the AFCA spittoon, please.
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Jake Blues
"Peter Boulding" <p...@UNSPAMpboulding.co.uk> wrote in message
news:5c6ik1tlstsg67m6a...@4ax.com...
google groups whenever possible. Isn't google the only place where all
the old Usenet posts are archived? I haven't heard of them being found
anywhere else. Then again, I'm not exactly an Internet guru; not even
a bona fide computer geek.
Dover Beach
Google's the easiest archive to use, I think. And it's easier to
navigate than Peter's explanation would imply.
Go to the main groups page and enter your search, presumably something
like alt.fan.cecil-adams . Now you see all the most recent threads,
right? Of course you can search by thread topic, too. Click on one of
the threads. Now that you're in the thread itself, you should see "view
as tree" listed as an option. It's generally right under the title of
the thread at the top of the page. This will open up a new frame on the
lefthand side with an index of all the posts. You can sort this index
by date if you wish; it defaults to basic threaded display. Now if you
want to find all the posts by Opus or raven or whoever, you can see at a
glance where they are and click on them to bring them up.
--
Dover
Hactar
Jake Blues <5h...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> I sometimes like to read past discussions, both here on AFCA and
> elsewhere. However, sometimes google's search result will set me down
> somewhere in the middle of the thread. For example, I'm looking at the
> thread entitled "What Happens when a woman lies about birth control?"
> That thread has 1165 posts *yipes!* I searched google groups and found
> the right result, but when I clicked on the link, it took me to
> messages 426-450 of 1165. Is there any way to get back to 1-25 without
> having to press the "older" option again and again?
Maybe I have a cookie set or something, but mine acts sane. When I do the
search, it takes me to a long page. Yes, it says "Messages 976 - 1000 of
1165 in topic". But pressing "view as tree" at the top takes me to a
(framed) page with a list of the thread's article's authors on the left
(starting with "1 Jake Blues Jan 5", ending with "1152 Boron Elgar Jan 9";
>1152 in 5 days -- good candidate for killfiling) and the text for the
group of 25 articles containing the selected article on the right.
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do a bunch of stuff and then go back to sleep. -- Weird Al
Harvey Van Sickle
>> thre ad/b6ec0bc2cc44b565/dc688960df7d6751?hl=en#dc688960df7d6751>
I very seldom use Google groups (only when I need to find an archived
message for some reason), and the "view as tree" works as you describe.
What it doesn't do, AFAICT, is have an option for the tree lines to be
displayed, which often makes it useless for me. Take a long thread,
where post No. 1 is responded by a message which sets off a side
discussion, which again branches off. Without linking lines, I find it
almost impossible to figure out which post is being responded to by the
later posts, as the alignment in the side panel isn't very distinctive.
Is there a way with GGroups to display tree lines?
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Harvey
Charlene
> Google's the easiest archive to use, I think. And it's easier to
> navigate than Peter's explanation would imply.
It's also virtually the only way many people can access Usenet. If your
ISP is the only show in town and doesn't carry Usenet, or if you aren't
allowed to have a newsreader program at your work computer, there
aren't a lot of other free, easily used interfaces. In fact, I can't
think of one that is both free and easy to use other than GG.
wd41
darkon
[snip long discussion]
> I very seldom use Google groups (only when I need to find an
> archived message for some reason), and the "view as tree" works
> as you describe.
>
> What it doesn't do, AFAICT, is have an option for the tree lines
> to be displayed, which often makes it useless for me. Take a
> long thread, where post No. 1 is responded by a message which
> sets off a side discussion, which again branches off. Without
> linking lines, I find it almost impossible to figure out which
> post is being responded to by the later posts, as the alignment
> in the side panel isn't very distinctive.
>
> Is there a way with GGroups to display tree lines?
I've never been able to find one. It's one of a number of reasons
why the new Google Groups interface sucks.
Harvey Van Sickle
> Harvey Van Sickle <harve...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> [snip long discussion]
>> Is there a way with GGroups to display tree lines?
> I've never been able to find one. It's one of a number of reasons
> why the new Google Groups interface sucks.
Ah, good: it's not just my usual not-paying-attention tendency,
then....
--
Cheers,
Harvey
bill van
"Jake Blues" <5h...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> "Kim" <72flhtak...@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:11ki4sj...@corp.supernews.com...
> > Over on the right it says "Go to top" - click that.
> >
> >
> Already tried that. All it did was to take me to the top of the page,
> to the start of the current 25 posts on that page; not to the
> beginning of the thread.
So, have you tried "view as tree" as several other posters have
suggested? It works.
Don't know why you'd bother, though. It was one of the most divisive
threads in my time in afca, and you personally started it. Surely you
followed it at the time.
bill
Harvey Van Sickle
> In article <O792f.1052$Ls...@bignews2.bellsouth.net>,
> "Jake Blues" <5h...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> "Kim" <72flhtak...@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:11ki4sj...@corp.supernews.com...
>
>>> Over on the right it says "Go to top" - click that.
>>>
>>>
>> Already tried that. All it did was to take me to the top of the
>> page, to the start of the current 25 posts on that page; not to
>> the beginning of the thread.
>
> So, have you tried "view as tree" as several other posters have
> suggested? It works.
It does indeed. (FSV of "works"...)
--
Cheers,
Harvey
bill van
Harvey Van Sickle <harve...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> On 09 Oct 2005, bill van wrote
>
> > So, have you tried "view as tree" as several other posters have
> > suggested? It works.
>
> It does indeed. (FSV of "works"...)
Sure, but he wasn't asking for the branches to be delineated. He just
wanted to see the thread from the first post on.
bill
Harvey Van Sickle
> In article <Xns96EADD0F...@62.253.170.163>,
> Harvey Van Sickle <harve...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> On 09 Oct 2005, bill van wrote
>>
>
>>> So, have you tried "view as tree" as several other posters have
>>> suggested? It works.
>>
>> It does indeed. (FSV of "works"...)
>
> Sure, but he wasn't asking for the branches to be delineated. He
> just wanted to see the thread from the first post on.
Fair 'nuff.
(FWIW, the omission of visual tracking lines strikes me as more of a
surprising oversight rather than an intentional decision.)
--
Cheers,
Harvey
Blinky the Shark
>> Is there a way with GGroups to display tree lines?
>
> I've never been able to find one. It's one of a number of reasons
> why the new Google Groups interface sucks.
http://blinkynet.net/comp/gggui.html
--
Blinky
Greg Goss
>Don't know why you'd bother, though. It was one of the most divisive
>threads in my time in afca, and you personally started it. Surely you
>followed it at the time.
Divisive threads in a spectacularly intelligent group of people point
up areas where it is tough to define ignorance. We cannot fight
ignorance until we can define it. Thus it is important to study
divisiveness.
--
Tomorrow is today already.
Greg Goss, 1989-01-27
mat...@gmail.com
Jake Blues <5h...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>Is there any way to get back to 1-25 without having to press the "older"
>option again and again?
Use a real newsreader?
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Jerry Bauer
(in article <on42f.8523$ke....@bignews3.bellsouth.net>):
> Is there any way to get back to 1-25 without
> having to press the "older" option again and again?
For me to get back to 1-25, I'd have to press the "younger" option.
--
Jerry Randal Bauer
Opus the Penguin
> On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 01:22:41 -0700, Jake Blues wrote:
>
>> Is there any way to get back to 1-25 without
>> having to press the "older" option again and again?
>
> For me to get back to 1-25, I'd have to press the "younger" option.
>
Hey, how come I can't press that without the "stupider" option clicking
as well?
--
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The best darn penguin in all of Usenet
Jerry Bauer
(in article <Xns96EBC4B7C4C30op...@127.0.0.1>):
> Jerry Bauer (use...@bauerstar.com) wrote:
>> On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 01:22:41 -0700, Jake Blues wrote:
>>
>>> Is there any way to get back to 1-25 without
>>> having to press the "older" option again and again?
>>
>> For me to get back to 1-25, I'd have to press the "younger" option.
>>
>
> Hey, how come I can't press that without the "stupider" option clicking
> as well?
>
>
If I knew as much now as I thought I knew then...
--
Jerry Randal Bauer
groo
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