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MadMonkey
Sep 9, 2011, 10:30:08 AM9/9/11
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B.B. Johnson wrote:
>
> "Annointed Remnant" <Annointe...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> news:j4c33...@drn.newsguy.com...
>> This is an excellent article about cult mind control with specific
>> references to
>> Jehovah's Witnesses:
>>
>> http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-totalism.html
>>
>
> This is an excellent website. I hope JW lurkers here read it. It's an
> eye opener.
The only posting JW is currently on hiatus, no?
However I did look up the information and I found it suspect. The
article was written by Jan Groenveld. She was a JW for 15 years.
Have you ever read an article from an atheist where they say religion is
a good thing. Your dishonesty is revealing Vance.
MM
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=You don't want a Mad Monkey on your back=
>
> "Annointed Remnant" <Annointe...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> news:j4c33...@drn.newsguy.com...
>> This is an excellent article about cult mind control with specific
>> references to
>> Jehovah's Witnesses:
>>
>> http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-totalism.html
>>
>
> This is an excellent website. I hope JW lurkers here read it. It's an
> eye opener.
The only posting JW is currently on hiatus, no?
However I did look up the information and I found it suspect. The
article was written by Jan Groenveld. She was a JW for 15 years.
Have you ever read an article from an atheist where they say religion is
a good thing. Your dishonesty is revealing Vance.
MM
--
=You don't want a Mad Monkey on your back=
Greegor
Sep 9, 2011, 11:43:51 AM9/9/11
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> > "Annointed Remnant" <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
Did AR Fred Simmons go from 30 years
as a JW to being a raving hateful atheist??
It's easy to hate JW's, like griping about
Barney or commissary food, it's almost a sport.
On usenet though, hating religion has become
like a dominant religion in and of itself.
Ever consider atheist mind control?
Think it doesn't exist? Think again.
> >news:j4c33...@drn.newsguy.com...
> >> This is an excellent article about cult mind control with specific
> >> references to
> >> Jehovah's Witnesses:
>
> >>http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-totalism.html
>
> > This is an excellent website. I hope JW lurkers here read it. It's an
> > eye opener.
>
> The only posting JW is currently on hiatus, no?
>
> However I did look up the information and I found it suspect. The
> article was written by Jan Groenveld. She was a JW for 15 years.
>
> Have you ever read an article from an atheist where they say religion is
> a good thing. Your dishonesty is revealing Vance.
Why wouldn't AR answer when I asked what his current religion is?
> >> This is an excellent article about cult mind control with specific
> >> references to
> >> Jehovah's Witnesses:
>
> >>http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-totalism.html
>
> > This is an excellent website. I hope JW lurkers here read it. It's an
> > eye opener.
>
> The only posting JW is currently on hiatus, no?
>
> However I did look up the information and I found it suspect. The
> article was written by Jan Groenveld. She was a JW for 15 years.
>
> Have you ever read an article from an atheist where they say religion is
> a good thing. Your dishonesty is revealing Vance.
Did AR Fred Simmons go from 30 years
as a JW to being a raving hateful atheist??
It's easy to hate JW's, like griping about
Barney or commissary food, it's almost a sport.
On usenet though, hating religion has become
like a dominant religion in and of itself.
Ever consider atheist mind control?
Think it doesn't exist? Think again.
wgroom
Sep 9, 2011, 2:46:26 PM9/9/11
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> > "Annointed Remnant" <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
Yep, typical disgruntled blabberings. She should have picked on
Christ and the apostles as well. I wonder why she didn't go into
every aspect of gov't, education, and anything organized? She could
have come up with much more.
People want to act like JW's because it's what the Bible requests and
demands. It's tough when virtue is such an obstacle for whiners.
wg
Christ and the apostles as well. I wonder why she didn't go into
every aspect of gov't, education, and anything organized? She could
have come up with much more.
People want to act like JW's because it's what the Bible requests and
demands. It's tough when virtue is such an obstacle for whiners.
wg
MadMonkey
Sep 9, 2011, 5:55:14 PM9/9/11
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Greegor
Sep 10, 2011, 1:29:37 AM9/10/11
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I guess I could understand AR's anger at JW's if he
had been forced into it by his parents, but based
on AR's account he didn't join JW's until after
he did his tours of duty in Vietnam.
Whether AR ( Fred Simmons ) was weak
willed or strong willed he joined up with
the JW's and made a commitment.
Has he ever said that he was forced into it?
Did he join for a woman?
How could he have been forced into it?
He was in it for THIRTY YEARS before
he turned so bitterly against them.
Has he ever said what "set him off" to
walk away and join Carol's hate campaign
against JW's?
Doesn't AR Fred's case alone disprove the
mind control accusation?
had been forced into it by his parents, but based
on AR's account he didn't join JW's until after
he did his tours of duty in Vietnam.
Whether AR ( Fred Simmons ) was weak
willed or strong willed he joined up with
the JW's and made a commitment.
Has he ever said that he was forced into it?
Did he join for a woman?
How could he have been forced into it?
He was in it for THIRTY YEARS before
he turned so bitterly against them.
Has he ever said what "set him off" to
walk away and join Carol's hate campaign
against JW's?
Doesn't AR Fred's case alone disprove the
mind control accusation?
Annointed Remnant
Sep 10, 2011, 11:54:26 AM9/10/11
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In article <0c0edb56-166a-4a41...@o26g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
wgroom says...
you are Gary Bergman?
Is it virtuous to allow a child to die because its parents belong to a
'religion' that forbids blood transfusions?
wgroom says...
>
>On Sep 9, 8:30=A0am, MadMonkey <MadMon...@monkeyismad.org> wrote:
>> B.B. Johnson wrote:
>>
>> > "Annointed Remnant" <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
>> >news:j4c33...@drn.newsguy.com...
>> >> This is an excellent article about cult mind control with specific
>> >> references to
>> >> Jehovah's Witnesses:
>>
>> >>http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-totalism.html
>>
>> > This is an excellent website. =A0I hope JW lurkers here read it. =A0It'=
>On Sep 9, 8:30=A0am, MadMonkey <MadMon...@monkeyismad.org> wrote:
>> B.B. Johnson wrote:
>>
>> > "Annointed Remnant" <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
>> >news:j4c33...@drn.newsguy.com...
>> >> This is an excellent article about cult mind control with specific
>> >> references to
>> >> Jehovah's Witnesses:
>>
>> >>http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-totalism.html
>>
>s an
>> > eye opener.
>>
>> The only posting JW is currently on hiatus, no?
>>
>> However I did look up the information and I found it suspect. The
>> article was written by Jan Groenveld. She was a JW for 15 years.
>>
>> Have you ever read an article from an atheist where they say religion is
>> a good thing. Your dishonesty is revealing Vance.
>>
>> MM
>>
>> --
>> =3DYou don't want a Mad Monkey on your back=3D
>> > eye opener.
>>
>> The only posting JW is currently on hiatus, no?
>>
>> However I did look up the information and I found it suspect. The
>> article was written by Jan Groenveld. She was a JW for 15 years.
>>
>> Have you ever read an article from an atheist where they say religion is
>> a good thing. Your dishonesty is revealing Vance.
>>
>> MM
>>
>> --
>
>Yep, typical disgruntled blabberings. She should have picked on
>Christ and the apostles as well. I wonder why she didn't go into
>every aspect of gov't, education, and anything organized? She could
>have come up with much more.
>
>People want to act like JW's because it's what the Bible requests and
>demands. It's tough when virtue is such an obstacle for whiners.
>
>wg
I'm not a she... and why do you continue to believe you are Winston Groom when
>Yep, typical disgruntled blabberings. She should have picked on
>Christ and the apostles as well. I wonder why she didn't go into
>every aspect of gov't, education, and anything organized? She could
>have come up with much more.
>
>People want to act like JW's because it's what the Bible requests and
>demands. It's tough when virtue is such an obstacle for whiners.
>
>wg
you are Gary Bergman?
Is it virtuous to allow a child to die because its parents belong to a
'religion' that forbids blood transfusions?
wgroom
Sep 10, 2011, 12:47:07 PM9/10/11
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>
> - Show quoted text -
It's all prophesied, good and well for the time being. One day there
won't be all the bad virtuosos but a lot of harmony and living like
there has never been before. I Cor: 2:9
wg
wgroom
Sep 10, 2011, 12:43:01 PM9/10/11
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On Sep 10, 9:54 am, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
wrote:
> In article <0c0edb56-166a-4a41-93d0-5898ad382...@o26g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
> 'religion' that forbids blood transfusions?- Hide quoted text -
who should look at usually a little lacking on conviction on the
issue. BTAIM, the doctrine has exposed how many people actually do
die from transfusion and it is enormous much less the diseases and
complication from receiving blood have. It's obvious that many get in
precarious situations that put people in danger from blood leaving the
body which has been around since the beginning of life, and JW's have
diligently found better procedures and have enhanced the study of
medical people to find ways to alleviate blood loss with high
success. Anyway, the statement here, is just mire venemous propaganda
designed to attract the ignorant into a Satanic view.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_and_blood_transfusions
wg
wrote:
> In article <0c0edb56-166a-4a41-93d0-5898ad382...@o26g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
Jehovah's Witnesses obey the Christian Law on blood which makes those
> - Show quoted text -
who should look at usually a little lacking on conviction on the
issue. BTAIM, the doctrine has exposed how many people actually do
die from transfusion and it is enormous much less the diseases and
complication from receiving blood have. It's obvious that many get in
precarious situations that put people in danger from blood leaving the
body which has been around since the beginning of life, and JW's have
diligently found better procedures and have enhanced the study of
medical people to find ways to alleviate blood loss with high
success. Anyway, the statement here, is just mire venemous propaganda
designed to attract the ignorant into a Satanic view.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_and_blood_transfusions
wg
MadMonkey
Sep 10, 2011, 1:38:39 PM9/10/11
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Annointed Remnant
Sep 11, 2011, 9:17:49 AM9/11/11
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In article <6ebb3757-a37f-4c9d...@w28g2000yqw.googlegroups.com>,
wgroom says...
>
>On Sep 10, 9:54=A0am, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
>wrote:
>> In article <0c0edb56-166a-4a41-93d0-5898ad382...@o26g2000vbi.googlegroups=
>.com>,
>> wgroom says...
>=3DA0It'=3D
>>
>> >Yep, typical disgruntled blabberings. =A0She should have picked on
>> >Christ and the apostles as well. =A0I wonder why she didn't go into
>> >every aspect of gov't, education, and anything organized? =A0She could
>>
>> >wg
>>
>> I'm not a she... =A0and why do you continue to believe you are Winston Gr=
Watchtower if you are a Jehovah's Witness! The very fact the the Watchtower
laws have changed so many times is more than enough proof that they do not
originate with any God. At one time the Watchtower said that accepting donor
organs was tantamount to cannibalism. But then they reversed that law. At one
time their laws said no one could take any type of blood transfusion. Now, many
types of blood fractions are acceptable.
>BTAIM, the doctrine has exposed how
>many people actually do die from
>transfusion and it is enormous much
>less the diseases and complication
>from receiving blood have.
Exposed? Are you trying to invent another conspiracy, Gary Bergman? Any
medical professional knows the risks of any complicated procedure. It is not a
dirty little secret. The medical profession has allowed people to live on
average many more years than before the advancement of medicine. That's what
the medical profession has done for us. What the JWs have done is sit back and
be as ignorant as cave men by saying inoculations are the Devil's work and
accepting a blood transfusion is going to anger their God.
>It's obvious that many get in precarious
>situations that put people in danger
>from blood leaving the body which has
>been around since the beginning of life,
That makes no sense.
>and JW's have diligently found better
>procedures and have enhanced the study of
>medical people to find ways to alleviate
>blood loss with high success.
Explain that to a grieving mother.
Anyway, the statement here, is just
>mire venemous propaganda designed to
>attract the ignorant into a Satanic
>view.
'Satanic.' Another trigger word used by the cult. Anyone who exposes the cult
for what it is, is called 'Satanic.' In the JW mind nothing further needs to be
said because their thinking automatically stops there.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_and_blood_transfusions
>
>wg
http://www.cftf.com/comments/kidsdied.html
"Onlookers are troubled when they see eighty people die in a burning cult
compound at Waco, Texas, or nearly a thousand ingest a poisoned beverage under
the direction of Rev. Jim Jones at Jonestown, Guyana, but we manage somehow to
dismiss these incidents with the thought that the world has always had its share
of kooks and lunatics. When a hundred or a thousand of them assemble together to
perform their lunacy in unison, they grab world attention for a brief time but
are soon forgotten. Jehovah's Witnesses, however, deserve closer scrutiny
because although their people are just as committed as those who died at Waco
and Jonestown, they are not huddled together in a small group in some far off
cult compound."
It is disgustingly sick to parade pictures of children and venerate them for
committing suicide.
wgroom says...
>
>On Sep 10, 9:54=A0am, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
>wrote:
>> In article <0c0edb56-166a-4a41-93d0-5898ad382...@o26g2000vbi.googlegroups=
>.com>,
>> wgroom says...
>>
>> >On Sep 9, 8:30=3DA0am, MadMonkey <MadMon...@monkeyismad.org> wrote:
>> >> B.B. Johnson wrote:
>>
>> >> > "Annointed Remnant" <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
>> >> >news:j4c33...@drn.newsguy.com...
>> >> >> This is an excellent article about cult mind control with specific
>> >> >> references to
>> >> >> Jehovah's Witnesses:
>>
>> >> >>http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-totalism.html
>>
>> >> > This is an excellent website. =3DA0I hope JW lurkers here read it. =
>> >On Sep 9, 8:30=3DA0am, MadMonkey <MadMon...@monkeyismad.org> wrote:
>> >> B.B. Johnson wrote:
>>
>> >> > "Annointed Remnant" <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
>> >> >news:j4c33...@drn.newsguy.com...
>> >> >> This is an excellent article about cult mind control with specific
>> >> >> references to
>> >> >> Jehovah's Witnesses:
>>
>> >> >>http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-totalism.html
>>
>=3DA0It'=3D
>> >s an
>> >> > eye opener.
>>
>> >> The only posting JW is currently on hiatus, no?
>>
>> >> However I did look up the information and I found it suspect. The
>> >> article was written by Jan Groenveld. She was a JW for 15 years.
>>
>> >> Have you ever read an article from an atheist where they say religion =
>> >> > eye opener.
>>
>> >> The only posting JW is currently on hiatus, no?
>>
>> >> However I did look up the information and I found it suspect. The
>> >> article was written by Jan Groenveld. She was a JW for 15 years.
>>
>is
>> >> a good thing. Your dishonesty is revealing Vance.
>>
>> >> MM
>>
>> >> --
>> >> =3D3DYou don't want a Mad Monkey on your back=3D3D
>> >> a good thing. Your dishonesty is revealing Vance.
>>
>> >> MM
>>
>> >> --
>>
>> >Yep, typical disgruntled blabberings. =A0She should have picked on
>> >Christ and the apostles as well. =A0I wonder why she didn't go into
>> >every aspect of gov't, education, and anything organized? =A0She could
>> >have come up with much more.
>>
>> >People want to act like JW's because it's what the Bible requests and
>> >demands. =A0It's tough when virtue is such an obstacle for whiners.
>>
>> >People want to act like JW's because it's what the Bible requests and
>>
>> >wg
>>
>> I'm not a she... =A0and why do you continue to believe you are Winston Gr=
>oom when
>> you are Gary Bergman?
>>
>> Is it virtuous to allow a child to die because its parents belong to a
>> 'religion' that forbids blood transfusions?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Jehovah's Witnesses obey the Christian
>Law on blood which makes those who
>should look at usually a little lacking
>on conviction on the issue.
It's the Watchtower law - not a Christian law. And, by God, you must obey the
>> you are Gary Bergman?
>>
>> Is it virtuous to allow a child to die because its parents belong to a
>> 'religion' that forbids blood transfusions?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Jehovah's Witnesses obey the Christian
>Law on blood which makes those who
>should look at usually a little lacking
>on conviction on the issue.
Watchtower if you are a Jehovah's Witness! The very fact the the Watchtower
laws have changed so many times is more than enough proof that they do not
originate with any God. At one time the Watchtower said that accepting donor
organs was tantamount to cannibalism. But then they reversed that law. At one
time their laws said no one could take any type of blood transfusion. Now, many
types of blood fractions are acceptable.
>BTAIM, the doctrine has exposed how
>many people actually do die from
>transfusion and it is enormous much
>less the diseases and complication
>from receiving blood have.
medical professional knows the risks of any complicated procedure. It is not a
dirty little secret. The medical profession has allowed people to live on
average many more years than before the advancement of medicine. That's what
the medical profession has done for us. What the JWs have done is sit back and
be as ignorant as cave men by saying inoculations are the Devil's work and
accepting a blood transfusion is going to anger their God.
>It's obvious that many get in precarious
>situations that put people in danger
>from blood leaving the body which has
>been around since the beginning of life,
>and JW's have diligently found better
>procedures and have enhanced the study of
>medical people to find ways to alleviate
>blood loss with high success.
Anyway, the statement here, is just
>mire venemous propaganda designed to
>attract the ignorant into a Satanic
>view.
for what it is, is called 'Satanic.' In the JW mind nothing further needs to be
said because their thinking automatically stops there.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_and_blood_transfusions
>
>wg
http://www.cftf.com/comments/kidsdied.html
"Onlookers are troubled when they see eighty people die in a burning cult
compound at Waco, Texas, or nearly a thousand ingest a poisoned beverage under
the direction of Rev. Jim Jones at Jonestown, Guyana, but we manage somehow to
dismiss these incidents with the thought that the world has always had its share
of kooks and lunatics. When a hundred or a thousand of them assemble together to
perform their lunacy in unison, they grab world attention for a brief time but
are soon forgotten. Jehovah's Witnesses, however, deserve closer scrutiny
because although their people are just as committed as those who died at Waco
and Jonestown, they are not huddled together in a small group in some far off
cult compound."
It is disgustingly sick to parade pictures of children and venerate them for
committing suicide.
Greegor
Sep 11, 2011, 11:08:51 AM9/11/11
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Since you are so eager to attack JW's
on the basis they are a cult, Fred, why
won't you state what your current religion is?
Concealing what your current religion is
seems to be a cult like behavior.
What religion supports or tolerates your
attacks on another religion, Fred?
Or are you an atheist now?
Are you going to try to create a new denomination
with many but not all of the JW tenets?
Baptist? ( Onward Christian Soldier! )
Whether you're creating your own denomination
or if you joined another existing denomination
then how did you conveniently decide that
one is a cult but your current one is not?
Your definition re the holy trinity would
have you declaring every Eastern religion
and of course Judaism to be a cult.
If you just refuse to answer this in a
substantial way, Fred, then you will
be exhibiting behavior more widely
seen as cult behavior.
on the basis they are a cult, Fred, why
won't you state what your current religion is?
Concealing what your current religion is
seems to be a cult like behavior.
What religion supports or tolerates your
attacks on another religion, Fred?
Or are you an atheist now?
Are you going to try to create a new denomination
with many but not all of the JW tenets?
Baptist? ( Onward Christian Soldier! )
Whether you're creating your own denomination
or if you joined another existing denomination
then how did you conveniently decide that
one is a cult but your current one is not?
Your definition re the holy trinity would
have you declaring every Eastern religion
and of course Judaism to be a cult.
If you just refuse to answer this in a
substantial way, Fred, then you will
be exhibiting behavior more widely
seen as cult behavior.
Ips-Switch
Sep 11, 2011, 11:53:31 AM9/11/11
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news:j4icd...@drn.newsguy.com...
getting vaccinated. No one knows how many lives that advice took.
> Exposed? Are you trying to invent another conspiracy, Gary Bergman? Any
> medical professional knows the risks of any complicated procedure. It is
> not a
> dirty little secret. The medical profession has allowed people to live on
> average many more years than before the advancement of medicine. That's
> what
> the medical profession has done for us. What the JWs have done is sit
> back and
> be as ignorant as cave men by saying inoculations are the Devil's work and
> accepting a blood transfusion is going to anger their God.
>
Not to mention there is no mention of TRANSFUSIONS to save lives in the
bible. Eating or drinking blood is not the same as a life saving
transfusion. They just want to appear superior and different than mainstream
Christianity.
>
> 'Satanic.' Another trigger word used by the cult. Anyone who exposes the
> cult
> for what it is, is called 'Satanic.' In the JW mind nothing further needs
> to be
> said because their thinking automatically stops there.
The GB is an evil group of men who use manipulation and fear and threats of
DFing to control the people they ensnare. And the word "Satanic" serves
them well. >:-(
>
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_and_blood_transfusions
>>
>>wg
>
> http://www.cftf.com/comments/kidsdied.html
>
> "Onlookers are troubled when they see eighty people die in a burning cult
> compound at Waco, Texas, or nearly a thousand ingest a poisoned beverage
> under
> the direction of Rev. Jim Jones at Jonestown, Guyana, but we manage
> somehow to
> dismiss these incidents with the thought that the world has always had its
> share
> of kooks and lunatics. When a hundred or a thousand of them assemble
> together to
> perform their lunacy in unison, they grab world attention for a brief time
> but
> are soon forgotten. Jehovah's Witnesses, however, deserve closer scrutiny
> because although their people are just as committed as those who died at
> Waco
> and Jonestown, they are not huddled together in a small group in some far
> off
> cult compound."
>
> It is disgustingly sick to parade pictures of children and venerate them
> for
> committing suicide.
--
"The world is a dangerous place, not because
of those who do evil, but because of those
who look on and do nothing." Albert Einstein
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
> It's the Watchtower law - not a Christian law. And, by God, you must obey
> the
> Watchtower if you are a Jehovah's Witness! The very fact the the
> Watchtower
> laws have changed so many times is more than enough proof that they do not
> originate with any God. At one time the Watchtower said that accepting
> donor
> organs was tantamount to cannibalism. But then they reversed that law.
> At one
> time their laws said no one could take any type of blood transfusion.
> Now, many
> types of blood fractions are acceptable.
At one time they claimed vaccines were "poison" and discouraged people from
> It's the Watchtower law - not a Christian law. And, by God, you must obey
> the
> Watchtower if you are a Jehovah's Witness! The very fact the the
> Watchtower
> laws have changed so many times is more than enough proof that they do not
> originate with any God. At one time the Watchtower said that accepting
> donor
> organs was tantamount to cannibalism. But then they reversed that law.
> At one
> time their laws said no one could take any type of blood transfusion.
> Now, many
> types of blood fractions are acceptable.
getting vaccinated. No one knows how many lives that advice took.
> Exposed? Are you trying to invent another conspiracy, Gary Bergman? Any
> medical professional knows the risks of any complicated procedure. It is
> not a
> dirty little secret. The medical profession has allowed people to live on
> average many more years than before the advancement of medicine. That's
> what
> the medical profession has done for us. What the JWs have done is sit
> back and
> be as ignorant as cave men by saying inoculations are the Devil's work and
> accepting a blood transfusion is going to anger their God.
>
bible. Eating or drinking blood is not the same as a life saving
transfusion. They just want to appear superior and different than mainstream
Christianity.
>
> 'Satanic.' Another trigger word used by the cult. Anyone who exposes the
> cult
> for what it is, is called 'Satanic.' In the JW mind nothing further needs
> to be
> said because their thinking automatically stops there.
DFing to control the people they ensnare. And the word "Satanic" serves
them well. >:-(
>
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_and_blood_transfusions
>>
>>wg
>
> http://www.cftf.com/comments/kidsdied.html
>
> "Onlookers are troubled when they see eighty people die in a burning cult
> compound at Waco, Texas, or nearly a thousand ingest a poisoned beverage
> under
> the direction of Rev. Jim Jones at Jonestown, Guyana, but we manage
> somehow to
> dismiss these incidents with the thought that the world has always had its
> share
> of kooks and lunatics. When a hundred or a thousand of them assemble
> together to
> perform their lunacy in unison, they grab world attention for a brief time
> but
> are soon forgotten. Jehovah's Witnesses, however, deserve closer scrutiny
> because although their people are just as committed as those who died at
> Waco
> and Jonestown, they are not huddled together in a small group in some far
> off
> cult compound."
>
> It is disgustingly sick to parade pictures of children and venerate them
> for
> committing suicide.
"The world is a dangerous place, not because
of those who do evil, but because of those
who look on and do nothing." Albert Einstein
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Verooo~
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"Greegor" <gree...@gmail.com> skrev i melding
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from saying what they want or airing their doubts,checking and
being critical. Unlike the JW's, it is therefor not a cult.
Think again. Wherever there's isolation, ostracizing or
threats to a humans integrity or being, there's an abusive
cult. The JW's threaten that you are dead to them, God,
and will lose your eternal hope if you disagree with them.
S
Verooo~
Sep 11, 2011, 4:22:31 PM9/11/11
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"wgroom" <wgr...@hotmail.com> skrev i melding
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On Sep 9, 8:30 am, MadMonkey <MadMon...@monkeyismad.org> wrote:
> B.B. Johnson wrote:
>
> > "Annointed Remnant" <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> >news:j4c33...@drn.newsguy.com...
> >> This is an excellent article about cult mind control with specific
> >> references to
> >> Jehovah's Witnesses:
>
> >>http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-totalism.html
>
> > This is an excellent website. I hope JW lurkers here read it. It's an
> > eye opener.
>
> The only posting JW is currently on hiatus, no?
>
> However I did look up the information and I found it suspect. The
> article was written by Jan Groenveld. She was a JW for 15 years.
>
> Have you ever read an article from an atheist where they say religion is
> a good thing. Your dishonesty is revealing Vance.
>
> MM
But they don't follow bible, not at all. It is all an image.
> B.B. Johnson wrote:
>
> > "Annointed Remnant" <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> >news:j4c33...@drn.newsguy.com...
> >> This is an excellent article about cult mind control with specific
> >> references to
> >> Jehovah's Witnesses:
>
> >>http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-totalism.html
>
> > This is an excellent website. I hope JW lurkers here read it. It's an
> > eye opener.
>
> The only posting JW is currently on hiatus, no?
>
> However I did look up the information and I found it suspect. The
> article was written by Jan Groenveld. She was a JW for 15 years.
>
> Have you ever read an article from an atheist where they say religion is
> a good thing. Your dishonesty is revealing Vance.
>
> MM
They're mean as hell as soon as it fits the agenda (unchristian
acts are common). They DF if you don't follow the leadership
manmade rules, but if you do evil things and are greedy, alcoholic,
materialistic (mentioned in the same verse as those whom should
be df'd) they don't disfellowship. Massive problems with mean,
greedy, evil, alcoholic, abusive etc. folks in the WT org, but
you get kicked out for rightfully saying 1914 isn't correct, or
taking a smoke or whatever rediculous reason. It goes on.
They don't preach the Gospel, only savior through men.
You don't see this, manipulated as you are by them.
S
Verooo~
Sep 11, 2011, 4:30:22 PM9/11/11
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"wgroom" <wgr...@hotmail.com> skrev i melding
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On Sep 9, 8:30 am, MadMonkey <MadMon...@monkeyismad.org> wrote:
> B.B. Johnson wrote:
>
> > "Annointed Remnant" <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> >news:j4c33...@drn.newsguy.com...
> >> This is an excellent article about cult mind control with specific
> >> references to
> >> Jehovah's Witnesses:
>
> B.B. Johnson wrote:
>
> > "Annointed Remnant" <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> >news:j4c33...@drn.newsguy.com...
> >> This is an excellent article about cult mind control with specific
> >> references to
> >> Jehovah's Witnesses:
>
Yep, typical disgruntled blabberings. She should have picked on
Christ and the apostles as well. I wonder why she didn't go into
every aspect of gov't, education, and anything organized? She could
have come up with much more.
People want to act like JW's because it's what the Bible requests and
demands. It's tough when virtue is such an obstacle for whiners.
wg
-But they don't follow bible, not at all. It is all an image.
Christ and the apostles as well. I wonder why she didn't go into
every aspect of gov't, education, and anything organized? She could
have come up with much more.
People want to act like JW's because it's what the Bible requests and
demands. It's tough when virtue is such an obstacle for whiners.
wg
Verooo~
Sep 11, 2011, 4:34:16 PM9/11/11
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Let me speak for your fooled little self: you wouldn't want to
live in a Watchtower Society ruled new world order.
S
wg
live in a Watchtower Society ruled new world order.
S
wg
Verooo~
Sep 11, 2011, 4:43:22 PM9/11/11
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-Their blood policy is an unbiblical piece of crap. First, life, and
maintaining
life comes before that rule, like a thousand times before death as the
alternative.
The fact that 'life is in blood' justifies life as more important than some
policy
(ref. to jesus going against strict judeal tradition to not work on sabbath,
by
saving a sheep in the ditch). Also the bible talks about not engorging in
blood
as in food related matters. Like I wouldn't wash my hair in it or anything
else.
Never mind that the WTS actually allows it, for the millionths time back and
forth on it, now some components are acceptable, some are not. Silly, isn't
it?
There is even a list! are free to accept these blood components that are
"approved", they are still forbidden to donate any blood in return!
Last, but not least, the cunning WTS has an official stance on it where you
can take blood (even full blood), just to avoid downright being sued,
but you will very much still get DF'd if you dare take full blood. Because
sometimes that's the only thing that will save you. But the hypocritical,
twotiming shit stinking WT corp wants to have it both ways, no suits
and yet, uphold their own laws. So they lie in public, we know that already.
S
maintaining
life comes before that rule, like a thousand times before death as the
alternative.
The fact that 'life is in blood' justifies life as more important than some
policy
(ref. to jesus going against strict judeal tradition to not work on sabbath,
by
saving a sheep in the ditch). Also the bible talks about not engorging in
blood
as in food related matters. Like I wouldn't wash my hair in it or anything
else.
Never mind that the WTS actually allows it, for the millionths time back and
forth on it, now some components are acceptable, some are not. Silly, isn't
it?
There is even a list! are free to accept these blood components that are
"approved", they are still forbidden to donate any blood in return!
Last, but not least, the cunning WTS has an official stance on it where you
can take blood (even full blood), just to avoid downright being sued,
but you will very much still get DF'd if you dare take full blood. Because
sometimes that's the only thing that will save you. But the hypocritical,
twotiming shit stinking WT corp wants to have it both ways, no suits
and yet, uphold their own laws. So they lie in public, we know that already.
S
Greegor
Sep 11, 2011, 5:13:47 PM9/11/11
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Carol > At one time they claimed vaccines were
Carol > "poison" and discouraged people from
Carol > getting vaccinated. No one knows how
Carol > many lives that advice took.
Carol, What is your religion now?
There are even ATHEISTS who have similar
concerns about vaccines, with scientific basis.
There are HUGE problems with epistemology
because of how dissenters from the medical
and pharmaceutical industries are SQUASHED
and the massive financial motivations for that.
You might have heard the recent info that
our obsession with spotlessly clean houses
plays a part in the increase in asthma
and allergies.
It turns out that immunity and tolerance are
still only partly understood.
Avoiding exposure can actually make things worse.
Supposedly a kid can actually built up a more
robust immune system by getting a natural
exposure rather than a laboratory weakened
exposure.
I am not dead set against vaccination, but
I feel there is way too much pressure and
manipulation going on about expecting
us to blindly trust vaccines.
If we cease to allow religious exemptions
to the state sponsored coerced vaccinations
then that is an evil regardless of religion.
> > Exposed? Are you trying to invent another conspiracy, Gary Bergman? Any
> > medical professional knows the risks of any complicated procedure. It is
> > not a
> > dirty little secret. The medical profession has allowed people to live on
> > average many more years than before the advancement of medicine. That's
> > what
> > the medical profession has done for us. What the JWs have done is sit
> > back and
> > be as ignorant as cave men by saying inoculations are the Devil's work and
> > accepting a blood transfusion is going to anger their God.
> Not to mention there is no mention of TRANSFUSIONS to save lives in the
> bible. Eating or drinking blood is not the same as a life saving
> transfusion. They just want to appear superior and different than mainstream
> Christianity.
They could have got it wrong and still gained an advantage.
Jewish and Islamic laws protected them from
Trichinosis before anybody knew what it was
or knew that cooking was crucial.
Today we know that COOKING and handling
sanitation are crucial for Pork, chicken and
even beef, but give them some credit
for evolving useful traditions.
I see that millions of pounds of Ground Turkey
have just been recalled a SECOND time by Cargill,
only months after recovering from a previous recall
for the same problem, Salmonella.
> > 'Satanic.' Another trigger word used by the cult. Anyone who exposes the
> > cult
> > for what it is, is called 'Satanic.' In the JW mind nothing further needs
> > to be
> > said because their thinking automatically stops there.
> The GB is an evil group of men who use manipulation and fear and threats of
> DFing to control the people they ensnare. And the word "Satanic" serves
> them well. >:-(
At some point vilifying "those guys" or outside thought
becomes self defeating, right Fred?
> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_and_blood_transfus...
that gerrymanders around what you believe in, Carol?
> --
> "The world is a dangerous place, not because
> of those who do evil, but because of those
> who look on and do nothing." Albert Einstein
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Alby's quote could be used to rationalize
your hate campaigns, except that
Alby would never have approved.
Carol > "poison" and discouraged people from
Carol > getting vaccinated. No one knows how
Carol > many lives that advice took.
Carol, What is your religion now?
There are even ATHEISTS who have similar
concerns about vaccines, with scientific basis.
There are HUGE problems with epistemology
because of how dissenters from the medical
and pharmaceutical industries are SQUASHED
and the massive financial motivations for that.
You might have heard the recent info that
our obsession with spotlessly clean houses
plays a part in the increase in asthma
and allergies.
It turns out that immunity and tolerance are
still only partly understood.
Avoiding exposure can actually make things worse.
Supposedly a kid can actually built up a more
robust immune system by getting a natural
exposure rather than a laboratory weakened
exposure.
I am not dead set against vaccination, but
I feel there is way too much pressure and
manipulation going on about expecting
us to blindly trust vaccines.
If we cease to allow religious exemptions
to the state sponsored coerced vaccinations
then that is an evil regardless of religion.
> > Exposed? Are you trying to invent another conspiracy, Gary Bergman? Any
> > medical professional knows the risks of any complicated procedure. It is
> > not a
> > dirty little secret. The medical profession has allowed people to live on
> > average many more years than before the advancement of medicine. That's
> > what
> > the medical profession has done for us. What the JWs have done is sit
> > back and
> > be as ignorant as cave men by saying inoculations are the Devil's work and
> > accepting a blood transfusion is going to anger their God.
> Not to mention there is no mention of TRANSFUSIONS to save lives in the
> bible. Eating or drinking blood is not the same as a life saving
> transfusion. They just want to appear superior and different than mainstream
> Christianity.
Jewish and Islamic laws protected them from
Trichinosis before anybody knew what it was
or knew that cooking was crucial.
Today we know that COOKING and handling
sanitation are crucial for Pork, chicken and
even beef, but give them some credit
for evolving useful traditions.
I see that millions of pounds of Ground Turkey
have just been recalled a SECOND time by Cargill,
only months after recovering from a previous recall
for the same problem, Salmonella.
> > 'Satanic.' Another trigger word used by the cult. Anyone who exposes the
> > cult
> > for what it is, is called 'Satanic.' In the JW mind nothing further needs
> > to be
> > said because their thinking automatically stops there.
> The GB is an evil group of men who use manipulation and fear and threats of
> DFing to control the people they ensnare. And the word "Satanic" serves
> them well. >:-(
becomes self defeating, right Fred?
> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_and_blood_transfus...
>
> >>wg
>
> >http://www.cftf.com/comments/kidsdied.html
>
> > "Onlookers are troubled when they see eighty people die in a burning cult
> > compound at Waco, Texas, or nearly a thousand ingest a poisoned beverage
> > under
> > the direction of Rev. Jim Jones at Jonestown, Guyana, but we manage
> > somehow to
> > dismiss these incidents with the thought that the world has always had its
> > share
> > of kooks and lunatics. When a hundred or a thousand of them assemble
> > together to
> > perform their lunacy in unison, they grab world attention for a brief time
> > but
> > are soon forgotten. Jehovah's Witnesses, however, deserve closer scrutiny
> > because although their people are just as committed as those who died at
> > Waco
> > and Jonestown, they are not huddled together in a small group in some far
> > off
> > cult compound."
>
> > It is disgustingly sick to parade pictures of children and venerate them
> > for
> > committing suicide.
Are you STILL struggling to find a definition of CULT
> >>wg
>
> >http://www.cftf.com/comments/kidsdied.html
>
> > "Onlookers are troubled when they see eighty people die in a burning cult
> > compound at Waco, Texas, or nearly a thousand ingest a poisoned beverage
> > under
> > the direction of Rev. Jim Jones at Jonestown, Guyana, but we manage
> > somehow to
> > dismiss these incidents with the thought that the world has always had its
> > share
> > of kooks and lunatics. When a hundred or a thousand of them assemble
> > together to
> > perform their lunacy in unison, they grab world attention for a brief time
> > but
> > are soon forgotten. Jehovah's Witnesses, however, deserve closer scrutiny
> > because although their people are just as committed as those who died at
> > Waco
> > and Jonestown, they are not huddled together in a small group in some far
> > off
> > cult compound."
>
> > It is disgustingly sick to parade pictures of children and venerate them
> > for
> > committing suicide.
that gerrymanders around what you believe in, Carol?
> --
> "The world is a dangerous place, not because
> of those who do evil, but because of those
> who look on and do nothing." Albert Einstein
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
your hate campaigns, except that
Alby would never have approved.
MadMonkey
Sep 11, 2011, 6:41:40 PM9/11/11
to
Verooo~ wrote:
>
> Ever consider atheist mind control?
> Think it doesn't exist? Think again.
>
> -Atheist community doesn't exclude or banish anybody
> from saying what they want or airing their doubts,checking and
> being critical. Unlike the JW's, it is therefor not a cult.
> Think again. Wherever there's isolation, ostracizing or
> threats to a humans integrity or being, there's an abusive
> cult. The JW's threaten that you are dead to them, God,
> and will lose your eternal hope if you disagree with them.
>
> S
>
>
I get it. Carol and AR are starting a cult :-)
>
> Ever consider atheist mind control?
> Think it doesn't exist? Think again.
>
> -Atheist community doesn't exclude or banish anybody
> from saying what they want or airing their doubts,checking and
> being critical. Unlike the JW's, it is therefor not a cult.
> Think again. Wherever there's isolation, ostracizing or
> threats to a humans integrity or being, there's an abusive
> cult. The JW's threaten that you are dead to them, God,
> and will lose your eternal hope if you disagree with them.
>
> S
>
>
Verooo~
Sep 12, 2011, 2:42:24 AM9/12/11
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None of the other religions will ban you from any contact
if you have a different opinion of any of these things. The WTS
bugs people with all kinds of stuff they have no business
bugging them with. It is a totalitarian cult, don't you get that?
-snip more dumb comparisons.
S
if you have a different opinion of any of these things. The WTS
bugs people with all kinds of stuff they have no business
bugging them with. It is a totalitarian cult, don't you get that?
-snip more dumb comparisons.
S
Greegor
Sep 12, 2011, 10:38:55 PM9/12/11
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On Sep 12, 1:42 am, "Verooo~" <veron...@frisurf.no> wrote:
> "Greegor" <greego...@gmail.com> skrev i meldingnews:dabd0872-2e81-4546...@z18g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
Carol wrote
How long were you in it?
What is your religion now?
Were you weak willed then or strong willed?
Were you strong willed when you left them?
You snipped away comparisons you didn't
like, just like a CULT MEMBER would.
Carol > -snip more dumb comparisons.
> "Greegor" <greego...@gmail.com> skrev i meldingnews:dabd0872-2e81-4546...@z18g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> None of the other religions will ban you from any contact
> if you have a different opinion of any of these things. The WTS
> bugs people with all kinds of stuff they have no business
> bugging them with. It is a totalitarian cult, don't you get that?
So WHY did you join it?
> if you have a different opinion of any of these things. The WTS
> bugs people with all kinds of stuff they have no business
> bugging them with. It is a totalitarian cult, don't you get that?
How long were you in it?
What is your religion now?
Were you strong willed when you left them?
You snipped away comparisons you didn't
like, just like a CULT MEMBER would.
Carol > -snip more dumb comparisons.
wgroom
Sep 13, 2011, 2:55:00 PM9/13/11
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On Sep 11, 7:17 am, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
wrote:
> In article <6ebb3757-a37f-4c9d-b26b-61a2f73d7...@w28g2000yqw.googlegroups.com>,
No, it's in the Bible, Acts 20 and Acts 28. If you are a Bible
believer you must see that it's there in black and white. So, when
people do take those words seriously, it doesn't do well to think that
it's not worthy to consider by someone apparently anti-Bible.
> Watchtower if you are a Jehovah's Witness! The very fact the the Watchtower
> laws have changed so many times is more than enough proof that they do not
> originate with any God. At one time the Watchtower said that accepting donor
> organs was tantamount to cannibalism. But then they reversed that law. At one
> time their laws said no one could take any type of blood transfusion. Now, many
> types of blood fractions are acceptable.
>
So, when the Bible says blood's refrainment is equal to "good health
to you", does that mean you are taking a stance that it is somehow
healthy for you and not unhealthy?
> >BTAIM, the doctrine has exposed how
> >many people actually do die from
> >transfusion and it is enormous much
> >less the diseases and complication
> >from receiving blood have.
>
> Exposed? Are you trying to invent another conspiracy, Gary Bergman? Any
> medical professional knows the risks of any complicated procedure. It is not a
> dirty little secret. The medical profession has allowed people to live on
> average many more years than before the advancement of medicine. That's what
> the medical profession has done for us. What the JWs have done is sit back and
> be as ignorant as cave men by saying inoculations are the Devil's work and
> accepting a blood transfusion is going to anger their God.
>
Yes, exposed. The figures don't lie, and hyping something that is
'only good' and hiding the statistics that people are adversly
affected by blood transfusion is conspiratorial and sinful. And of
course the Watchtower uses the medical professions own words and
doesn't have to be coining any new thoughts.
> >It's obvious that many get in precarious
> >situations that put people in danger
> >from blood leaving the body which has
> >been around since the beginning of life,
>
> That makes no sense.
>
Obviously there is nothing new about blood loss being the cause of
death is there? How can you NOT understand??!! So, all humans and
animals have died, from the fall of Adam and Eve forward, and yes even
little children. I guess there wasn't any life saving commandments
medical-wise from the Bible to advance any worthiness of putting some
blood in, was there?
> >and JW's have diligently found better
> >procedures and have enhanced the study of
> >medical people to find ways to alleviate
> >blood loss with high success.
>
> Explain that to a grieving mother.
>
People die from all sorts of issues. It's not above explaining over
anything else. How does one explain that the blood didn't take and
was the cause of death to a grieving mother?
> Anyway, the statement here, is just
>
> >mire venemous propaganda designed to
> >attract the ignorant into a Satanic
> >view.
>
> 'Satanic.' Another trigger word used by the cult. Anyone who exposes the cult
> for what it is, is called 'Satanic.' In the JW mind nothing further needs to be
> said because their thinking automatically stops there.
>
Not really, since the Bible states that the whole world is RULED by
Satan. Therefore, when the things contrived that are anti-God by the
things in the world are in opposition to Bible protocol it is merely
Satanic.
You could say that the Bible says to love ones enemies and not to take
up weaponry. It's obviously a deterrant against death that could be
avoided. Sure wouldn't have to explain to any grieving person about
the loss of life, yet you would use that as proper, wouldn't you and
many?
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_and_blood_transfus...
becomes 'inconvenient'.
> It is disgustingly sick to parade pictures of children and venerate them for
> committing suicide.
Yes, especially when one is barking up a wrong tree to use a sleight
of hand for that wrong picture.
wg
wrote:
> In article <6ebb3757-a37f-4c9d-b26b-61a2f73d7...@w28g2000yqw.googlegroups.com>,
believer you must see that it's there in black and white. So, when
people do take those words seriously, it doesn't do well to think that
it's not worthy to consider by someone apparently anti-Bible.
> Watchtower if you are a Jehovah's Witness! The very fact the the Watchtower
> laws have changed so many times is more than enough proof that they do not
> originate with any God. At one time the Watchtower said that accepting donor
> organs was tantamount to cannibalism. But then they reversed that law. At one
> time their laws said no one could take any type of blood transfusion. Now, many
> types of blood fractions are acceptable.
>
to you", does that mean you are taking a stance that it is somehow
healthy for you and not unhealthy?
> >BTAIM, the doctrine has exposed how
> >many people actually do die from
> >transfusion and it is enormous much
> >less the diseases and complication
> >from receiving blood have.
>
> Exposed? Are you trying to invent another conspiracy, Gary Bergman? Any
> medical professional knows the risks of any complicated procedure. It is not a
> dirty little secret. The medical profession has allowed people to live on
> average many more years than before the advancement of medicine. That's what
> the medical profession has done for us. What the JWs have done is sit back and
> be as ignorant as cave men by saying inoculations are the Devil's work and
> accepting a blood transfusion is going to anger their God.
>
'only good' and hiding the statistics that people are adversly
affected by blood transfusion is conspiratorial and sinful. And of
course the Watchtower uses the medical professions own words and
doesn't have to be coining any new thoughts.
> >It's obvious that many get in precarious
> >situations that put people in danger
> >from blood leaving the body which has
> >been around since the beginning of life,
>
> That makes no sense.
>
death is there? How can you NOT understand??!! So, all humans and
animals have died, from the fall of Adam and Eve forward, and yes even
little children. I guess there wasn't any life saving commandments
medical-wise from the Bible to advance any worthiness of putting some
blood in, was there?
> >and JW's have diligently found better
> >procedures and have enhanced the study of
> >medical people to find ways to alleviate
> >blood loss with high success.
>
> Explain that to a grieving mother.
>
anything else. How does one explain that the blood didn't take and
was the cause of death to a grieving mother?
> Anyway, the statement here, is just
>
> >mire venemous propaganda designed to
> >attract the ignorant into a Satanic
> >view.
>
> 'Satanic.' Another trigger word used by the cult. Anyone who exposes the cult
> for what it is, is called 'Satanic.' In the JW mind nothing further needs to be
> said because their thinking automatically stops there.
>
Satan. Therefore, when the things contrived that are anti-God by the
things in the world are in opposition to Bible protocol it is merely
Satanic.
You could say that the Bible says to love ones enemies and not to take
up weaponry. It's obviously a deterrant against death that could be
avoided. Sure wouldn't have to explain to any grieving person about
the loss of life, yet you would use that as proper, wouldn't you and
many?
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_and_blood_transfus...
>
> >wg
>
> http://www.cftf.com/comments/kidsdied.html
>
> "Onlookers are troubled when they see eighty people die in a burning cult
> compound at Waco, Texas, or nearly a thousand ingest a poisoned beverage under
> the direction of Rev. Jim Jones at Jonestown, Guyana, but we manage somehow to
> dismiss these incidents with the thought that the world has always had its share
> of kooks and lunatics. When a hundred or a thousand of them assemble together to
> perform their lunacy in unison, they grab world attention for a brief time but
> are soon forgotten. Jehovah's Witnesses, however, deserve closer scrutiny
> because although their people are just as committed as those who died at Waco
> and Jonestown, they are not huddled together in a small group in some far off
> cult compound."
>
Wow, when millions die from drug habits, war, and famine, it somehow
> >wg
>
> http://www.cftf.com/comments/kidsdied.html
>
> "Onlookers are troubled when they see eighty people die in a burning cult
> compound at Waco, Texas, or nearly a thousand ingest a poisoned beverage under
> the direction of Rev. Jim Jones at Jonestown, Guyana, but we manage somehow to
> dismiss these incidents with the thought that the world has always had its share
> of kooks and lunatics. When a hundred or a thousand of them assemble together to
> perform their lunacy in unison, they grab world attention for a brief time but
> are soon forgotten. Jehovah's Witnesses, however, deserve closer scrutiny
> because although their people are just as committed as those who died at Waco
> and Jonestown, they are not huddled together in a small group in some far off
> cult compound."
>
becomes 'inconvenient'.
> It is disgustingly sick to parade pictures of children and venerate them for
> committing suicide.
of hand for that wrong picture.
wg
wgroom
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wg
wgroom
Sep 13, 2011, 2:58:51 PM9/13/11
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On Sep 11, 9:53 am, "Ips-Switch" <Ips-Swi...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> "Annointed Remnant" <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_and_blood_transfus...
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medicine site can keep people up to date. The polio vaccinations of
the 50's were also not just found to cause discomfort, but many cases
of soft tissue cancers.
wg
> "Annointed Remnant" <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
Vaccinations have been taking a terrible hit lately. Any natural
> - Show quoted text -
medicine site can keep people up to date. The polio vaccinations of
the 50's were also not just found to cause discomfort, but many cases
of soft tissue cancers.
wg
wgroom
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On Sep 11, 2:13 pm, "Verooo~" <veron...@frisurf.no> wrote:
> "Greegor" <greego...@gmail.com> skrev i meldingnews:d39a7f6d-6d78-44e7...@i21g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
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long as you drink with them, they must be an 'ok' group.
Unfortunately, Jesus had a lot to say about what and what not to hang
around with. When it boils down to it, that's what you and many folk
are really against, the type of behavior that is mandated in the Bible
to what they want to have for their life and well the 'justifications'
that seem to be prevalent to make that lifestyle superior to that of
the Bible's.
wg
> "Greegor" <greego...@gmail.com> skrev i meldingnews:d39a7f6d-6d78-44e7...@i21g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
> - Show quoted text -
That's like saying if the drunks don't care what your all about as
> - Show quoted text -
long as you drink with them, they must be an 'ok' group.
Unfortunately, Jesus had a lot to say about what and what not to hang
around with. When it boils down to it, that's what you and many folk
are really against, the type of behavior that is mandated in the Bible
to what they want to have for their life and well the 'justifications'
that seem to be prevalent to make that lifestyle superior to that of
the Bible's.
wg
wgroom
Sep 13, 2011, 3:07:35 PM9/13/11
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On Sep 11, 2:30 pm, "Verooo~" <veron...@frisurf.no> wrote:
> "wgroom" <wgr...@hotmail.com> skrev i meldingnews:0c0edb56-166a-4a41...@o26g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
I would think if you didn't agree with their version of the kingdom or
the signs given by Jesus and the appointed times of the nation you
wouldn't have joined! Of course, no one is not going to bar the door
if you do seem to change one's mind, huh? People sometimes don't
realize that congregations should be perfect. Jesus prophesied and
exposed about behaviors in congregations in Rev. 2 and 3. So people
should not excuse themselves over behaviors, but they should still be
there to support Jesus and Jehovah for the ones that simply will not
be denied in trying to do the right thing and staying.
wg
> "wgroom" <wgr...@hotmail.com> skrev i meldingnews:0c0edb56-166a-4a41...@o26g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
the signs given by Jesus and the appointed times of the nation you
wouldn't have joined! Of course, no one is not going to bar the door
if you do seem to change one's mind, huh? People sometimes don't
realize that congregations should be perfect. Jesus prophesied and
exposed about behaviors in congregations in Rev. 2 and 3. So people
should not excuse themselves over behaviors, but they should still be
there to support Jesus and Jehovah for the ones that simply will not
be denied in trying to do the right thing and staying.
wg
wgroom
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On Sep 11, 2:34 pm, "Verooo~" <veron...@frisurf.no> wrote:
> "wgroom" <wgr...@hotmail.com> skrev i meldingnews:fe4a5f5c-58aa-42b4...@en1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
Really, with people that are actually annointed, that have this
penchant for not ever killing a soul, and would be happy taking
instructions on growing food and making perfect shelters to house
you? They might actually make a nice golf course or have a band of
instruments that you could enjoy too. And all those nagging medical
issues that plague mankind, might be a little more tolerable if they
weren't any death or diseases. I'll take the I Cor: 2;9 which is
associated with the new earth in Isa. 65 anytime over such a defiant
attitude.
wg
> S
> wg- Hide quoted text -
> "wgroom" <wgr...@hotmail.com> skrev i meldingnews:fe4a5f5c-58aa-42b4...@en1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
penchant for not ever killing a soul, and would be happy taking
instructions on growing food and making perfect shelters to house
you? They might actually make a nice golf course or have a band of
instruments that you could enjoy too. And all those nagging medical
issues that plague mankind, might be a little more tolerable if they
weren't any death or diseases. I'll take the I Cor: 2;9 which is
associated with the new earth in Isa. 65 anytime over such a defiant
attitude.
wg
> S
> wg- Hide quoted text -
Greegor
Sep 13, 2011, 6:36:42 PM9/13/11
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G > Since you are so eager to attack JW's
G > on the basis they are a cult, Fred, why
G > won't you state what your current religion is?
G >
G > Concealing what your current religion is
G > seems to be a cult like behavior.
G >
G > What religion supports or tolerates your
G > attacks on another religion, Fred?
G >
G > Or are you an atheist now?
G >
G > Are you going to try to create a new denomination
G > with many but not all of the JW tenets?
G >
G > Baptist? ( Onward Christian Soldier! )
G >
G > Whether you're creating your own denomination
G > or if you joined another existing denomination
G > then how did you conveniently decide that
G > one is a cult but your current one is not?
G >
G > Your definition re the holy trinity would
G > have you declaring every Eastern religion
G > and of course Judaism to be a cult.
G >
G > If you just refuse to answer this in a
G > substantial way, Fred, then you will
G > be exhibiting behavior more widely
G > seen as cult behavior.
wg > Dead silence (and telling) as usual.
For Carol and A.R. to single out JW's as
a CULT but acting cult like themselves
just doesn't make sense to me.
What are you trying to hide, Carol and AR?
Annointed Remnant
Sep 13, 2011, 10:14:01 PM9/13/11
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In article <1a2f64bd-66f8-4360...@a7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
wgroom says...
>
>On Sep 11, 9:08=A0am, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Since you are so eager to attack JW's
>> on the basis they are a cult, Fred, why
>> won't you state what your current religion is?
>>
>> Concealing what your current religion is
>> seems to be a cult like behavior.
>>
>> What religion supports or tolerates your
>> attacks on another religion, Fred?
>>
>> Or are you an atheist now?
>>
>> Are you going to try to create a new denomination
>> with many but not all of the JW tenets?
>>
>> Baptist? =A0 =A0( Onward Christian Soldier! )
>>
>> Whether you're creating your own denomination
>> or if you joined another existing denomination
>> then how did you conveniently decide that
>> one is a cult but your current one is not?
>>
>> Your definition re the holy trinity would
>> have you declaring every Eastern religion
>> and of course Judaism to be a cult.
>>
>> If you just refuse to answer this in a
>> substantial way, Fred, then you will
>> be exhibiting behavior more widely
>> seen as cult behavior.
>
>Dead silence (and telling) as usual.
>
>wg
wgroom says...
>
>On Sep 11, 9:08=A0am, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Since you are so eager to attack JW's
>> on the basis they are a cult, Fred, why
>> won't you state what your current religion is?
>>
>> Concealing what your current religion is
>> seems to be a cult like behavior.
>>
>> What religion supports or tolerates your
>> attacks on another religion, Fred?
>>
>> Or are you an atheist now?
>>
>> Are you going to try to create a new denomination
>> with many but not all of the JW tenets?
>>
>>
>> Whether you're creating your own denomination
>> or if you joined another existing denomination
>> then how did you conveniently decide that
>> one is a cult but your current one is not?
>>
>> Your definition re the holy trinity would
>> have you declaring every Eastern religion
>> and of course Judaism to be a cult.
>>
>> If you just refuse to answer this in a
>> substantial way, Fred, then you will
>> be exhibiting behavior more widely
>> seen as cult behavior.
>
>Dead silence (and telling) as usual.
>
>wg
Say, Gary, Greegor is a convicted wife beater. That doesn't mean much to you,
does it, Gary? At least not as long as the sides with the cult.
Annointed Remnant
Sep 13, 2011, 10:29:59 PM9/13/11
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In article <b872c4e4-43de-4a1f...@br5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
wgroom says...
>
>On Sep 11, 7:17=A0am, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
>wrote:
>> In article <6ebb3757-a37f-4c9d-b26b-61a2f73d7...@w28g2000yqw.googlegroups=
>.com>,
>> wgroom says...
>>
>> >On Sep 10, 9:54=3DA0am, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >> In article <0c0edb56-166a-4a41-93d0-5898ad382...@o26g2000vbi.googlegro=
>ups=3D
>> >.com>,
>> >> wgroom says...
>ge
>> >> >> >news:j4c33...@drn.newsguy.com...
>> >> >> >> This is an excellent article about cult mind control with specif=
>it. =3D
>> >=3D3DA0It'=3D3D
>on =3D
>>
>> >> >Yep, typical disgruntled blabberings. =3DA0She should have picked on
>> >> >Christ and the apostles as well. =3DA0I wonder why she didn't go into
>> >> >every aspect of gov't, education, and anything organized? =3DA0She co=
>>
>> >> >wg
>>
>> >> I'm not a she... =3DA0and why do you continue to believe you are Winst=
>on Gr=3D
>>
>> It's the Watchtower law - not a Christian law. =A0And, by God, you must o=
>Acts 20 and Acts 28. If you are a Bible
>believer you must see that it's there in black and white. So, when
>people do take those words seriously, it doesn't do well to think that
>it's not worthy to consider by someone apparently anti-Bible.
>
>
>> Watchtower if you are a Jehovah's Witness! =A0The very fact the the Watch=
>tower
>> laws have changed so many times is more than enough proof that they do no=
>t
>> originate with any God. =A0At one time the Watchtower said that accepting=
> donor
>> organs was tantamount to cannibalism. =A0But then they reversed that law.=
> =A0At one
>> time their laws said no one could take any type of blood transfusion. =A0=
>> >BTAIM, the doctrine has exposed how
>> >many people actually do die from
>> >transfusion and it is enormous much
>> >less the diseases and complication
>> >from receiving blood have. =A0
>>
>> Exposed? =A0Are you trying to invent another conspiracy, Gary Bergman? =
>=A0Any
>> medical professional knows the risks of any complicated procedure. =A0It =
>is not a
>> dirty little secret. =A0The medical profession has allowed people to live=
> on
>> average many more years than before the advancement of medicine. =A0That'=
>s what
>> the medical profession has done for us. =A0What the JWs have done is sit =
>back and
>> be as ignorant as cave men by saying inoculations are the Devil's work an=
>> >It's obvious that many get in precarious
>> >situations that put people in danger
>> >from blood leaving the body which has
>> >been around since the beginning of life,
>>
>> That makes no sense.
>>
>Obviously there is nothing new about blood loss being the cause of
>death is there? How can you NOT understand??!!
Because you write as if you're drunk. You've been told this many, many times by
many, many people.
>So, all humans and
>animals have died, from the fall of Adam and Eve forward, and yes even
>little children. I guess there wasn't any life saving commandments
>medical-wise from the Bible to advance any worthiness of putting some
>blood in, was there?
That doesn't make any sense either. Are you drunk again?
>> >and JW's have diligently found better
>> >procedures and have enhanced the study of
>> >medical people to find ways to alleviate
>> >blood loss with high success. =A0
>>
>> Explain that to a grieving mother. =A0
>> Anyway, the statement here, is just
>>
>> >mire venemous propaganda designed to
>> >attract the ignorant into a Satanic
>> >view.
>>
>> 'Satanic.' =A0Another trigger word used by the cult. =A0Anyone who expose=
>s the cult
>> for what it is, is called 'Satanic.' =A0In the JW mind nothing further ne=
>since the Bible states that the whole world is RULED by
>Satan. Therefore, when the things contrived that are anti-God by the
>things in the world are in opposition to Bible protocol it is merely
>Satanic.
You are utterly and completely brainwashed. The cult teaches you that anyone
who opposes the cult is Satanic. I am not Satanic, fool!
>You could say that the Bible says to love ones enemies and not to take
>up weaponry. It's obviously a deterrant against death that could be
>avoided. Sure wouldn't have to explain to any grieving person about
>the loss of life, yet you would use that as proper, wouldn't you and
>many?
Are you drunk again? You're not making any sense.
>> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_and_blood_transfus...
>>
>> >wg
>>
>> http://www.cftf.com/comments/kidsdied.html
>>
>> "Onlookers are troubled when they see eighty people die in a burning cult
>> compound at Waco, Texas, or nearly a thousand ingest a poisoned beverage =
>under
>> the direction of Rev. Jim Jones at Jonestown, Guyana, but we manage someh=
>ow to
>> dismiss these incidents with the thought that the world has always had it=
>s share
>> of kooks and lunatics. When a hundred or a thousand of them assemble toge=
>ther to
>> perform their lunacy in unison, they grab world attention for a brief tim=
>Waco
>> and Jonestown, they are not huddled together in a small group in some far=
>> It is disgustingly sick to parade pictures of children and venerate them =
wgroom says...
>
>On Sep 11, 7:17=A0am, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
>wrote:
>> In article <6ebb3757-a37f-4c9d-b26b-61a2f73d7...@w28g2000yqw.googlegroups=
>.com>,
>> wgroom says...
>>
>> >On Sep 10, 9:54=3DA0am, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >> In article <0c0edb56-166a-4a41-93d0-5898ad382...@o26g2000vbi.googlegro=
>ups=3D
>> >.com>,
>> >> wgroom says...
>>
>> >> >On Sep 9, 8:30=3D3DA0am, MadMonkey <MadMon...@monkeyismad.org> wrote:
>> >> >> B.B. Johnson wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > "Annointed Remnant" <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote in messa=
>> >> >On Sep 9, 8:30=3D3DA0am, MadMonkey <MadMon...@monkeyismad.org> wrote:
>> >> >> B.B. Johnson wrote:
>>
>ge
>> >> >> >news:j4c33...@drn.newsguy.com...
>> >> >> >> This is an excellent article about cult mind control with specif=
>ic
>> >> >> >> references to
>> >> >> >> Jehovah's Witnesses:
>>
>> >> >> >>http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-totalism.html
>>
>> >> >> > This is an excellent website. =3D3DA0I hope JW lurkers here read =
>> >> >> >> references to
>> >> >> >> Jehovah's Witnesses:
>>
>> >> >> >>http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-totalism.html
>>
>it. =3D
>> >=3D3DA0It'=3D3D
>> >> >s an
>> >> >> > eye opener.
>>
>> >> >> The only posting JW is currently on hiatus, no?
>>
>> >> >> However I did look up the information and I found it suspect. The
>> >> >> article was written by Jan Groenveld. She was a JW for 15 years.
>>
>> >> >> Have you ever read an article from an atheist where they say religi=
>> >> >> > eye opener.
>>
>> >> >> The only posting JW is currently on hiatus, no?
>>
>> >> >> However I did look up the information and I found it suspect. The
>> >> >> article was written by Jan Groenveld. She was a JW for 15 years.
>>
>on =3D
>> >is
>> >> >> a good thing. Your dishonesty is revealing Vance.
>>
>> >> >> MM
>>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> =3D3D3DYou don't want a Mad Monkey on your back=3D3D3D
>> >> >> a good thing. Your dishonesty is revealing Vance.
>>
>> >> >> MM
>>
>> >> >> --
>>
>> >> >Yep, typical disgruntled blabberings. =3DA0She should have picked on
>> >> >Christ and the apostles as well. =3DA0I wonder why she didn't go into
>> >> >every aspect of gov't, education, and anything organized? =3DA0She co=
>uld
>> >> >have come up with much more.
>>
>> >> >People want to act like JW's because it's what the Bible requests and
>> >> >demands. =3DA0It's tough when virtue is such an obstacle for whiners.
>> >> >have come up with much more.
>>
>> >> >People want to act like JW's because it's what the Bible requests and
>>
>> >> >wg
>>
>> >> I'm not a she... =3DA0and why do you continue to believe you are Winst=
>on Gr=3D
>> >oom when
>> >> you are Gary Bergman?
>>
>> >> Is it virtuous to allow a child to die because its parents belong to a
>> >> 'religion' that forbids blood transfusions?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >Jehovah's Witnesses obey the Christian
>> >Law on blood which makes those who
>> >should look at usually a little lacking
>> >on conviction on the issue. =A0
>> >> you are Gary Bergman?
>>
>> >> Is it virtuous to allow a child to die because its parents belong to a
>> >> 'religion' that forbids blood transfusions?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >Jehovah's Witnesses obey the Christian
>> >Law on blood which makes those who
>> >should look at usually a little lacking
>>
>> It's the Watchtower law - not a Christian law. =A0And, by God, you must o=
>bey the
>
>No, it's in the Bible,
No, it's not!
>
>No, it's in the Bible,
>Acts 20 and Acts 28. If you are a Bible
>believer you must see that it's there in black and white. So, when
>people do take those words seriously, it doesn't do well to think that
>it's not worthy to consider by someone apparently anti-Bible.
>
>
>tower
>> laws have changed so many times is more than enough proof that they do no=
>t
>> originate with any God. =A0At one time the Watchtower said that accepting=
> donor
>> organs was tantamount to cannibalism. =A0But then they reversed that law.=
> =A0At one
>> time their laws said no one could take any type of blood transfusion. =A0=
>Now, many
>> types of blood fractions are acceptable.
>>
>So, when the Bible says blood's refrainment is equal to "good health
>to you", does that mean you are taking a stance that it is somehow
>healthy for you and not unhealthy?
You are utterly and completely brainwashed.
>> types of blood fractions are acceptable.
>>
>So, when the Bible says blood's refrainment is equal to "good health
>to you", does that mean you are taking a stance that it is somehow
>healthy for you and not unhealthy?
>> >BTAIM, the doctrine has exposed how
>> >many people actually do die from
>> >transfusion and it is enormous much
>> >less the diseases and complication
>>
>> Exposed? =A0Are you trying to invent another conspiracy, Gary Bergman? =
>=A0Any
>> medical professional knows the risks of any complicated procedure. =A0It =
>is not a
>> dirty little secret. =A0The medical profession has allowed people to live=
> on
>> average many more years than before the advancement of medicine. =A0That'=
>s what
>> the medical profession has done for us. =A0What the JWs have done is sit =
>back and
>> be as ignorant as cave men by saying inoculations are the Devil's work an=
>d
>> accepting a blood transfusion is going to anger their God.
>>
>Yes, exposed. The figures don't lie, and hyping something that is
>'only good' and hiding the statistics that people are adversly
>affected by blood transfusion is conspiratorial and sinful. And of
>course the Watchtower uses the medical professions own words and
>doesn't have to be coining any new thoughts.
You are utterly and completely brainwashed.
>> accepting a blood transfusion is going to anger their God.
>>
>Yes, exposed. The figures don't lie, and hyping something that is
>'only good' and hiding the statistics that people are adversly
>affected by blood transfusion is conspiratorial and sinful. And of
>course the Watchtower uses the medical professions own words and
>doesn't have to be coining any new thoughts.
>> >It's obvious that many get in precarious
>> >situations that put people in danger
>> >from blood leaving the body which has
>> >been around since the beginning of life,
>>
>> That makes no sense.
>>
>Obviously there is nothing new about blood loss being the cause of
>death is there? How can you NOT understand??!!
many, many people.
>So, all humans and
>animals have died, from the fall of Adam and Eve forward, and yes even
>little children. I guess there wasn't any life saving commandments
>medical-wise from the Bible to advance any worthiness of putting some
>blood in, was there?
>> >and JW's have diligently found better
>> >procedures and have enhanced the study of
>> >medical people to find ways to alleviate
>>
>> Explain that to a grieving mother. =A0
>>
>People die from all sorts of issues. It's not above explaining over
>anything else. How does one explain that the blood didn't take and
>was the cause of death to a grieving mother?
You are utterly and completely brainwashed.
>People die from all sorts of issues. It's not above explaining over
>anything else. How does one explain that the blood didn't take and
>was the cause of death to a grieving mother?
>> Anyway, the statement here, is just
>>
>> >mire venemous propaganda designed to
>> >attract the ignorant into a Satanic
>> >view.
>>
>s the cult
>> for what it is, is called 'Satanic.' =A0In the JW mind nothing further ne=
>eds to be
>> said because their thinking automatically stops there.
>>
>Not really,
Yes, really.
>> said because their thinking automatically stops there.
>>
>Not really,
>since the Bible states that the whole world is RULED by
>Satan. Therefore, when the things contrived that are anti-God by the
>things in the world are in opposition to Bible protocol it is merely
>Satanic.
who opposes the cult is Satanic. I am not Satanic, fool!
>You could say that the Bible says to love ones enemies and not to take
>up weaponry. It's obviously a deterrant against death that could be
>avoided. Sure wouldn't have to explain to any grieving person about
>the loss of life, yet you would use that as proper, wouldn't you and
>many?
>> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_and_blood_transfus...
>>
>> >wg
>>
>> http://www.cftf.com/comments/kidsdied.html
>>
>> "Onlookers are troubled when they see eighty people die in a burning cult
>under
>> the direction of Rev. Jim Jones at Jonestown, Guyana, but we manage someh=
>ow to
>> dismiss these incidents with the thought that the world has always had it=
>s share
>> of kooks and lunatics. When a hundred or a thousand of them assemble toge=
>ther to
>> perform their lunacy in unison, they grab world attention for a brief tim=
>e but
>> are soon forgotten. Jehovah's Witnesses, however, deserve closer scrutiny
>> because although their people are just as committed as those who died at =
>> are soon forgotten. Jehovah's Witnesses, however, deserve closer scrutiny
>Waco
>> and Jonestown, they are not huddled together in a small group in some far=
> off
>> cult compound."
>>
>Wow, when millions die from drug habits, war, and famine, it somehow
>becomes 'inconvenient'.
While your God is frothing at the mouth to kill billions.
>> cult compound."
>>
>Wow, when millions die from drug habits, war, and famine, it somehow
>becomes 'inconvenient'.
>> It is disgustingly sick to parade pictures of children and venerate them =
>for
>> committing suicide.
>
>Yes, especially when one is barking up a wrong tree to use a sleight
>of hand for that wrong picture.
>
>wg
You are utterly and completely brainwashed.
>> committing suicide.
>
>Yes, especially when one is barking up a wrong tree to use a sleight
>of hand for that wrong picture.
>
>wg
Greegor
Sep 14, 2011, 12:50:16 AM9/14/11
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G > Since you are so eager to attack JW's
G > on the basis they are a cult, Fred, why
G > won't you state what your current religion is?
G >
G > Concealing what your current religion is
G > seems to be a cult like behavior.
G >
G > What religion supports or tolerates your
G > attacks on another religion, Fred?
G >
G > Or are you an atheist now?
G >
G > Are you going to try to create a new denomination
G > with many but not all of the JW tenets?
G >
G > Baptist? ( Onward Christian Soldier! )
G >
G > Whether you're creating your own denomination
G > or if you joined another existing denomination
G > then how did you conveniently decide that
G > one is a cult but your current one is not?
G >
G > Your definition re the holy trinity would
G > have you declaring every Eastern religion
G > and of course Judaism to be a cult.
G >
G > If you just refuse to answer this in a
G > substantial way, Fred, then you will
G > be exhibiting behavior more widely
G > seen as cult behavior.
G > on the basis they are a cult, Fred, why
G > won't you state what your current religion is?
G >
G > Concealing what your current religion is
G > seems to be a cult like behavior.
G >
G > What religion supports or tolerates your
G > attacks on another religion, Fred?
G >
G > Or are you an atheist now?
G >
G > Are you going to try to create a new denomination
G > with many but not all of the JW tenets?
G >
G > Baptist? ( Onward Christian Soldier! )
G >
G > Whether you're creating your own denomination
G > or if you joined another existing denomination
G > then how did you conveniently decide that
G > one is a cult but your current one is not?
G >
G > Your definition re the holy trinity would
G > have you declaring every Eastern religion
G > and of course Judaism to be a cult.
G >
G > If you just refuse to answer this in a
G > substantial way, Fred, then you will
G > be exhibiting behavior more widely
G > seen as cult behavior.
wg > Dead silence (and telling) as usual.
G > For Carol and A.R. to single out JW's as
G > a CULT but acting cult like themselves
G > just doesn't make sense to me.
G >
G > What are you trying to hide, Carol and AR?
AR > Say, Gary, Greegor is a convicted wife beater.
AR > That doesn't mean much to you, does it, Gary?
AR > At least not as long as the sides with the cult.
I am not a Jehovah's Witness and never have been.
Do my old misdemeanors make me disqualified
to question your story, AR?
For a guy in a hate campaign against JW's
as a CULT, you sure do seem defensive
about answering common sense questions.
If you're going to attack a CULT, wouldn't
openness and honesty be a better strategy
than secrecy and defensiveness?
Wouldn't you as a warrior against CULTS
encourage people to ASK QUESTIONS
before and after joining such a group?
You claim you were in JW's for 30 YEARS
and you turned against them.
Why wouldn't you be open and honest
about the precise details of WHY you
REVERSED position, AR?
Is this your current religion, AR?
What makes this group any less of a CULT than JW's?
http://thejehovahswitnesses.org/who-is-the-fatihful-and-discreet-slave.php
KabukiBob
Sep 14, 2011, 6:38:18 AM9/14/11
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On Sep 13, 9:29 pm, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
wrote:
> In article <b872c4e4-43de-4a1f-bdc3-3fd85173f...@br5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
wrote:
> In article <b872c4e4-43de-4a1f-bdc3-3fd85173f...@br5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Wait is this Monk or Jabbers?
Wgroom, I assume you follow the Bible, If yuo do here is a verse
about calling another a fool:
Matthew 5:22 ESV
But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be
liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the
council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of
fire.
Guess you are going to hell.
Moe
Bob L. Head
Sep 14, 2011, 12:00:12 PM9/14/11
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On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 03:38:18 -0700, KabukiBob wrote:
> Guess you are going to hell.
Wanna hear Maureen's lovely voice?
> Guess you are going to hell.
Check out the stammering.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr1ku07Eybo
MadMonkey
Sep 14, 2011, 11:06:33 AM9/14/11
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KabukiBob wrote:
>
> But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be
> liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the
> council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of
> fire.
>
> Guess you are going to hell.
>
> Moe
I will get the hotdogs
>
> But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be
> liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the
> council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of
> fire.
>
> Guess you are going to hell.
>
> Moe
Moe, bring the beer
--
=You don't want a Mad Monkey on your back=
wgroom
Sep 14, 2011, 1:34:10 PM9/14/11
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On Sep 13, 10:14 pm, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
wrote:
> In article <1a2f64bd-66f8-4360-ba4d-2246e66a5...@a7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
> does it, Gary? At least not as long as the sides with the cult.- Hide quoted text -
onto a name means something. Rather sick IMO. I'm here to just
discuss the Bible or related topics and not exactly care about who I
am posting to.
wg
wrote:
> In article <1a2f64bd-66f8-4360-ba4d-2246e66a5...@a7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
I don't involve myself with people here. I guess to some, latching
> - Show quoted text -
onto a name means something. Rather sick IMO. I'm here to just
discuss the Bible or related topics and not exactly care about who I
am posting to.
wg
wgroom
Sep 14, 2011, 1:32:34 PM9/14/11
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On Sep 13, 10:29 pm, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
wrote:
> In article <b872c4e4-43de-4a1f-bdc3-3fd85173f...@br5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,Well, this about sums it up. I guess this God wasn't good enough for
you, therefore you must have found another god or something else.
Surely you aren't divulging any respect for the Bible or what you
might be following in regard to that. (I am afraid that's what
happens when people get disgruntled. They blame and point the finger,
and there respect for God is somehow dimininshed to the point of not
ever having any passion towards their professed former belief.) And
of course they must have been so weak-minded as to be brainwashed, and
now they blame that instead of something else.
wrote:
> In article <b872c4e4-43de-4a1f-bdc3-3fd85173f...@br5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
you, therefore you must have found another god or something else.
Surely you aren't divulging any respect for the Bible or what you
might be following in regard to that. (I am afraid that's what
happens when people get disgruntled. They blame and point the finger,
and there respect for God is somehow dimininshed to the point of not
ever having any passion towards their professed former belief.) And
of course they must have been so weak-minded as to be brainwashed, and
now they blame that instead of something else.
wg
> >> It is disgustingly sick to parade pictures of children and venerate them =
> >for
> >> committing suicide.
>
> >Yes, especially when one is barking up a wrong tree to use a sleight
> >of hand for that wrong picture.
>
> >wg
>
> You are utterly and completely brainwashed. - Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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Greegor
Sep 14, 2011, 3:13:03 PM9/14/11
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> I don't involve myself with people here. I guess to some, latching
> onto a name means something. Rather sick IMO. I'm here to just
> discuss the Bible or related topics and not exactly care about who I
> am posting to.
>
> wg
Annointed Remnant Fred/Vance joined Carol Gully's
> onto a name means something. Rather sick IMO. I'm here to just
> discuss the Bible or related topics and not exactly care about who I
> am posting to.
>
> wg
FIFTEEN YEAR OLD ongoing online hate campaign
against Jehovah's Witnesses, calling them a CULT.
His definition of CULT vs. the general public's
definition of CULT therefore became an
important issue.
AR claimed to be a Vietnam War Vet and
a 30 year member of JW's as some kind of
support for his position, making his
position a bit less Socratic and a bit more
about himself.
AR refuses to outright state what his
current religion is, but the very name
he posts with is a denomination of
ex-JW's and as you would expect, their
doctrine appears to be only slightly different.
It appears that the anti-JW hate campaign
is less about CULTISM and more about
anomosity between extremely close rival
denominations.
Greegor
Sep 14, 2011, 3:24:10 PM9/14/11
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> > While your God is frothing at the mouth to kill billions.
> Well, this about sums it up. I guess this God wasn't good enough for
> you, therefore you must have found another god or something else.
> Surely you aren't divulging any respect for the Bible or what you
> might be following in regard to that. (I am afraid that's what
> happens when people get disgruntled. They blame and point the finger,
> and there respect for God is somehow dimininshed to the point of not
> ever having any passion towards their professed former belief.) And
> of course they must have been so weak-minded as to be brainwashed, and
> now they blame that instead of something else.
>
> wg
I asked AR to share his opinion on
> Well, this about sums it up. I guess this God wasn't good enough for
> you, therefore you must have found another god or something else.
> Surely you aren't divulging any respect for the Bible or what you
> might be following in regard to that. (I am afraid that's what
> happens when people get disgruntled. They blame and point the finger,
> and there respect for God is somehow dimininshed to the point of not
> ever having any passion towards their professed former belief.) And
> of course they must have been so weak-minded as to be brainwashed, and
> now they blame that instead of something else.
>
> wg
whether or when he was weak willed or strong
willed and at what points in his experience.
AR declined answering those questions,
as he has so many others.
He overlooks the PAGAN and the garage burglar's
background, because it's convenient for him, while
trying to exaggerate mine because that is
also convenient for him.
MadMonkey
Sep 14, 2011, 4:14:34 PM9/14/11
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Jw's. He is very bitter, the man is 60, and basically lost his Youth
years to his "cult".
--
=You don't want a Mad Monkey on your back=
MadMonkey
Sep 14, 2011, 4:40:32 PM9/14/11
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MadMonkey
Sep 14, 2011, 4:42:45 PM9/14/11
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Greegor wrote:
> G >
> G > What are you trying to hide, Carol and AR?
>
> AR > Say, Gary, Greegor is a convicted wife beater.
> AR > That doesn't mean much to you, does it, Gary?
> AR > At least not as long as the sides with the cult.
>
> I am not a Jehovah's Witness and never have been.
That is why he ignores you. He has no power over you.
> G >
> G > What are you trying to hide, Carol and AR?
>
> AR > Say, Gary, Greegor is a convicted wife beater.
> AR > That doesn't mean much to you, does it, Gary?
> AR > At least not as long as the sides with the cult.
>
> I am not a Jehovah's Witness and never have been.
>
> Do my old misdemeanors make me disqualified
> to question your story, AR?
>
> For a guy in a hate campaign against JW's
> as a CULT, you sure do seem defensive
> about answering common sense questions.
>
> If you're going to attack a CULT, wouldn't
> openness and honesty be a better strategy
> than secrecy and defensiveness?
>
> Wouldn't you as a warrior against CULTS
> encourage people to ASK QUESTIONS
> before and after joining such a group?
>
> You claim you were in JW's for 30 YEARS
> and you turned against them.
>
> Why wouldn't you be open and honest
> about the precise details of WHY you
> REVERSED position, AR?
>
> Is this your current religion, AR?
> What makes this group any less of a CULT than JW's?
>
> http://thejehovahswitnesses.org/who-is-the-fatihful-and-discreet-slave.php
MadMonkey
Sep 14, 2011, 4:44:22 PM9/14/11
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wonder why your congregation won't be getting a letter?
Ips-Switch
Sep 14, 2011, 6:54:17 PM9/14/11
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"wgroom" <wgr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:0b7ffa10-1997-4013...@h6g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
I would think if you didn't agree with their version of the kingdom or
the signs given by Jesus and the appointed times of the nation you
wouldn't have joined! Of course, no one is not going to bar the door
if you do seem to change one's mind, huh?
seeking recruits. Or if you're poor and ask for compensation for your
carfare or gas for your car.
People sometimes don't
realize that congregations should be perfect.
hide their pedophiles and sex perverts? Their congs are no cleaner than any
other group, cult or sect.
Jesus prophesied and
exposed about behaviors in congregations in Rev. 2 and 3. So people
should not excuse themselves over behaviors, but they should still be
there to support Jesus and Jehovah for the ones that simply will not
be denied in trying to do the right thing and staying.
--
"Men never do evil so completely and
cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
~ Blaise Pascal (1623-1662) ~
~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~*
Greegor
Sep 14, 2011, 10:52:32 PM9/14/11
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MM > You are not a JW. There is nothing he
MM > can do to you. His target are Jw's. He
MM > is very bitter, the man is 60, and
MM > basically lost his Youth years to his "cult".
Only to join an "Anointed Remnant International Ministries" church?
MM > can do to you. His target are Jw's. He
MM > is very bitter, the man is 60, and
MM > basically lost his Youth years to his "cult".
Only to join an "Anointed Remnant International Ministries" church?
Annointed Remnant
Sep 15, 2011, 8:27:38 AM9/15/11
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In article <122a69d5-6062-4033...@hg2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
wgroom says...
>
>On Sep 13, 10:14=A0pm, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
>wrote:
>> In article <1a2f64bd-66f8-4360-ba4d-2246e66a5...@a7g2000yqb.googlegroups.=
>com>,
>> wgroom says...
child abuser says? Do you think it a little odd that you are the only JW
posting to this forum? This is a newsgroup dedicated to JWs and you are the
only one out of over seven million posting here. Do you ever go to the Kingdom
Hall, Gary? Do you ever remember any of the elders saying that you have no
business being here? If you are not worried about it, then why not use you real
name, Gary Bergman? You have nothing to fear from man; your God will protect
you, won't he, Gary?
wgroom says...
>
>On Sep 13, 10:14=A0pm, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
>wrote:
>> In article <1a2f64bd-66f8-4360-ba4d-2246e66a5...@a7g2000yqb.googlegroups.=
>com>,
>> wgroom says...
>>
>> >On Sep 11, 9:08=3DA0am, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Since you are so eager to attack JW's
>> >> on the basis they are a cult, Fred, why
>> >> won't you state what your current religion is?
>>
>> >> Concealing what your current religion is
>> >> seems to be a cult like behavior.
>>
>> >> What religion supports or tolerates your
>> >> attacks on another religion, Fred?
>>
>> >> Or are you an atheist now?
>>
>> >> Are you going to try to create a new denomination
>> >> with many but not all of the JW tenets?
>>
>> >> Baptist?( Onward Christian Soldier! )
>> >On Sep 11, 9:08=3DA0am, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Since you are so eager to attack JW's
>> >> on the basis they are a cult, Fred, why
>> >> won't you state what your current religion is?
>>
>> >> Concealing what your current religion is
>> >> seems to be a cult like behavior.
>>
>> >> What religion supports or tolerates your
>> >> attacks on another religion, Fred?
>>
>> >> Or are you an atheist now?
>>
>> >> Are you going to try to create a new denomination
>> >> with many but not all of the JW tenets?
>>
>>
>> >> Whether you're creating your own denomination
>> >> or if you joined another existing denomination
>> >> then how did you conveniently decide that
>> >> one is a cult but your current one is not?
>>
>> >> Your definition re the holy trinity would
>> >> have you declaring every Eastern religion
>> >> and of course Judaism to be a cult.
>>
>> >> If you just refuse to answer this in a
>> >> substantial way, Fred, then you will
>> >> be exhibiting behavior more widely
>> >> seen as cult behavior.
>>
>> >Dead silence (and telling) as usual.
>>
>> >wg
>>
>> Say, Gary, Greegor is a convicted
>> wife beater. That doesn't mean much
>> to you, does it, Gary? At least
>> not as long as the sides with the
>> cult.
>
>> >> Whether you're creating your own denomination
>> >> or if you joined another existing denomination
>> >> then how did you conveniently decide that
>> >> one is a cult but your current one is not?
>>
>> >> Your definition re the holy trinity would
>> >> have you declaring every Eastern religion
>> >> and of course Judaism to be a cult.
>>
>> >> If you just refuse to answer this in a
>> >> substantial way, Fred, then you will
>> >> be exhibiting behavior more widely
>> >> seen as cult behavior.
>>
>> >Dead silence (and telling) as usual.
>>
>> >wg
>>
>> Say, Gary, Greegor is a convicted
>> wife beater. That doesn't mean much
>> to you, does it, Gary? At least
>> not as long as the sides with the
>> cult.
>
>I don't involve myself with people
>here. I guess to some, latching
>onto a name means something. Rather
>sick IMO. I'm here to just discuss
>the Bible or related topics and not
>exactly care about who Iam posting
>to.
So, as a Jehovah's Witness, you are in agreement with what this wife beater and
>here. I guess to some, latching
>onto a name means something. Rather
>sick IMO. I'm here to just discuss
>the Bible or related topics and not
>exactly care about who Iam posting
>to.
child abuser says? Do you think it a little odd that you are the only JW
posting to this forum? This is a newsgroup dedicated to JWs and you are the
only one out of over seven million posting here. Do you ever go to the Kingdom
Hall, Gary? Do you ever remember any of the elders saying that you have no
business being here? If you are not worried about it, then why not use you real
name, Gary Bergman? You have nothing to fear from man; your God will protect
you, won't he, Gary?
Greegor
Sep 15, 2011, 12:22:33 PM9/15/11
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On Sep 15, 7:27 am, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
wrote:
> In article <122a69d5-6062-4033-ac56-3241442b8...@hg2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Um, AR, a domestic abuse conviction
does not specify BEATING.vs pushing.
Neither were for BEATING.
My ex from 16 years ago was bipolar.
I have never been convicted of child neglect
or child abuse.
I was accused of child neglect but
not even in the family court.
Do you think every accused person is GUILTY, AR?
> Do you think it a little odd that you are the only JW
> posting to this forum?
Kind of a cheap shot for you to engage in an
internet attack on a religion that forbids
members to use the internet, wouldn't you say?
Going to run an internet hate campaign
against the Amish next?
> This is a newsgroup dedicated to JWs
Are you sure it's not a newsgroup dedicated
to a FIFTEEN YEAR hate campaign against
JW's, but apparently launched by a variant church?
> and you are the
> only one out of over seven million posting here. Do you ever go to the Kingdom
> Hall, Gary? Do you ever remember any of the elders saying that you have no
> business being here?
> If you are not worried about it, then why not use you real
> name, Gary Bergman?
When are you going to use YOUR real name, AR?
> You have nothing to fear from man; your God will protect
> you, won't he, Gary?
What IS your current denomination, AR?
Are you in a church affiliated with
Anointed Remnant Intermational MInistries (ARIM) ?
Are you really just promoting a RIVAL faith
to the JW's you harass, or are you just
another atheist, AR?
wrote:
> In article <122a69d5-6062-4033-ac56-3241442b8...@hg2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
does not specify BEATING.vs pushing.
Neither were for BEATING.
My ex from 16 years ago was bipolar.
I have never been convicted of child neglect
or child abuse.
I was accused of child neglect but
not even in the family court.
Do you think every accused person is GUILTY, AR?
> Do you think it a little odd that you are the only JW
> posting to this forum?
internet attack on a religion that forbids
members to use the internet, wouldn't you say?
Going to run an internet hate campaign
against the Amish next?
> This is a newsgroup dedicated to JWs
to a FIFTEEN YEAR hate campaign against
JW's, but apparently launched by a variant church?
> and you are the
> only one out of over seven million posting here. Do you ever go to the Kingdom
> Hall, Gary? Do you ever remember any of the elders saying that you have no
> business being here?
> If you are not worried about it, then why not use you real
> name, Gary Bergman?
> You have nothing to fear from man; your God will protect
> you, won't he, Gary?
Are you in a church affiliated with
Anointed Remnant Intermational MInistries (ARIM) ?
Are you really just promoting a RIVAL faith
to the JW's you harass, or are you just
another atheist, AR?
wgroom
Sep 15, 2011, 2:10:57 PM9/15/11
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On Sep 15, 6:27 am, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
wrote:
> In article <122a69d5-6062-4033-ac56-3241442b8...@hg2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> you, won't he, Gary?- Hide quoted text -
some up.
wg
wrote:
> In article <122a69d5-6062-4033-ac56-3241442b8...@hg2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
Sounds like a hateful man not dealing with an issue and trying to make
> - Show quoted text -
some up.
wg
wgroom
Sep 15, 2011, 2:12:20 PM9/15/11
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>
> - Show quoted text -
I think Jesus would be saying a little more than "get behind me Satan"
> - Show quoted text -
as he said to Peter.
wg
MadMonkey
Sep 15, 2011, 3:50:15 PM9/15/11
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Annointed Remnant wrote:
>
> So, as a Jehovah's Witness, you are in agreement with what this wife beater and
> child abuser says? Do you think it a little odd that you are the only JW
> posting to this forum? This is a newsgroup dedicated to JWs and you are the
> only one out of over seven million posting here. Do you ever go to the Kingdom
> Hall, Gary?
You mean you haven't run him off yet?
>
> So, as a Jehovah's Witness, you are in agreement with what this wife beater and
> child abuser says? Do you think it a little odd that you are the only JW
> posting to this forum? This is a newsgroup dedicated to JWs and you are the
> only one out of over seven million posting here. Do you ever go to the Kingdom
> Hall, Gary?
> Do you ever remember any of the elders saying that you have no
> business being here? If you are not worried about it, then why not use you real
> name, Gary Bergman? You have nothing to fear from man; your God will protect
> you, won't he, Gary?
>
by the way does Databasesix rings a Bell?
Annointed Remnant
Sep 16, 2011, 7:47:58 AM9/16/11
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In article <65f5d297-3943-4d8a...@o15g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
wgroom says...
>
>On Sep 13, 10:29=A0pm, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
>wrote:
>> In article <b872c4e4-43de-4a1f-bdc3-3fd85173f...@br5g2000vbb.googlegroups=
>.com>,
>> wgroom says...
>> >> another conspiracy, Gary Bergman?
>> >> Any medical professional knows the
>> >> done is sit back and be as ignorant
articles decades ago about the risks of blood transfusions. Those risks have
been greatly minimized since then. There's nothing sinful about blood
transfusions. At one time the JWs believed that inoculations were sinful but
they changed their mind. The only reason they don't change their opinion about
blood transfusions are the lawsuits that it would generate. Notice that just
about every fraction of blood is acceptable now. Why is that Gary? And even
now if a parent 'fights' a court order but loses, he is considered venerated.
>> >> Explain that to a grieving mother.
>>
parents love their children and will do their utmost to protect them. You, on
the other hand, would watch your child die because you believe in a cult's
nonsense.
>Well, this about sums it up. I guess
>this God wasn't good enough for you,
>therefore you must have found another
>god or something else.
You are not worshiping a God, Gary. You are worshiping a cult. The cult
leaders tell you what you can and can not do, and you cannot question them.
wgroom says...
>
>On Sep 13, 10:29=A0pm, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
>wrote:
>> In article <b872c4e4-43de-4a1f-bdc3-3fd85173f...@br5g2000vbb.googlegroups=
>.com>,
>> wgroom says...
>>
>>
>> >> >BTAIM, the doctrine has exposed how
>> >> >many people actually do die from
>> >> >transfusion and it is enormous much
>> >> >less the diseases and complication
>> >> >from receiving blood have.
>>
>> >> Exposed? Are you trying to invent
>>
>> >> >BTAIM, the doctrine has exposed how
>> >> >many people actually do die from
>> >> >transfusion and it is enormous much
>> >> >less the diseases and complication
>> >> >from receiving blood have.
>>
>> >> another conspiracy, Gary Bergman?
>> >> Any medical professional knows the
>> >> risks of any complicated procedure.
>> >> That is not a dirty little secret.
>> >> The medical profession has allowed
>> >> people to live on average many
>> >> more years than before the
>> >> advancement of medicine. That's
>> >> what the medical profession has
>> >> done for us. What the JWs have
>> >> done is sit back and be as ignorant
>> >> as cave men by saying inoculations
>> >> are the Devil's work and accepting
>> >> a blood transfusion is going to
>> >> anger their God.
>>
>> >Yes, exposed. The figures don't lie,
>> >and hyping something that is 'only
>> >good' and hiding the statistics that
>> >people are adversly affected by
>> >blood transfusion is conspiratorial
>> >and sinful. And of course the
>> >Watchtower uses the medical
>> >professions own words and doesn't
>> >have to be coining any new thoughts.
There is no conspiracy, Gary. You are relying on the Watchtower which wrote
>> >> anger their God.
>>
>> >Yes, exposed. The figures don't lie,
>> >and hyping something that is 'only
>> >good' and hiding the statistics that
>> >people are adversly affected by
>> >blood transfusion is conspiratorial
>> >and sinful. And of course the
>> >Watchtower uses the medical
>> >professions own words and doesn't
>> >have to be coining any new thoughts.
articles decades ago about the risks of blood transfusions. Those risks have
been greatly minimized since then. There's nothing sinful about blood
transfusions. At one time the JWs believed that inoculations were sinful but
they changed their mind. The only reason they don't change their opinion about
blood transfusions are the lawsuits that it would generate. Notice that just
about every fraction of blood is acceptable now. Why is that Gary? And even
now if a parent 'fights' a court order but loses, he is considered venerated.
>> >> Explain that to a grieving mother.
>>
>> >People die from all sorts of issues.
>> >It's not above explaining over
>> >anything else. How does one explain
>> >that the blood didn't take and
>> >was the cause of death to a grieving
>> >mother?
No one but a brainwashed cult member would think like you do, Gary. Normal
>> >It's not above explaining over
>> >anything else. How does one explain
>> >that the blood didn't take and
>> >was the cause of death to a grieving
>> >mother?
parents love their children and will do their utmost to protect them. You, on
the other hand, would watch your child die because you believe in a cult's
nonsense.
>Well, this about sums it up. I guess
>this God wasn't good enough for you,
>therefore you must have found another
>god or something else.
leaders tell you what you can and can not do, and you cannot question them.
Greegor
Sep 16, 2011, 1:05:07 PM9/16/11
to
On Sep 16, 6:47 am, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
wrote:
> In article <65f5d297-3943-4d8a-b35b-6dbe45571...@o15g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
AR > There is no conspiracy, Gary.
Just a FIFTEEN YEAR hate campaign against JW's
carried out by people hiding behind anonymous
remailers and changing their own name a lot.
> You are relying on the Watchtower which wrote
> articles decades ago about the risks of blood transfusions. Those risks have
> been greatly minimized since then. There's nothing sinful about blood
> transfusions. At one time the JWs believed that inoculations were sinful but
> they changed their mind. The only reason they don't change their opinion about
> blood transfusions are the lawsuits that it would generate. Notice that just
> about every fraction of blood is acceptable now. Why is that Gary? And even
> now if a parent 'fights' a court order but loses, he is considered venerated.
>
> >> >> Explain that to a grieving mother.
>
> >> >People die from all sorts of issues.
> >> >It's not above explaining over
> >> >anything else. How does one explain
> >> >that the blood didn't take and
> >> >was the cause of death to a grieving
> >> >mother?
>
> No one but a brainwashed cult member would think like you do, Gary. Normal
> parents love their children and will do their utmost to protect them.
AR > You, on the other hand, would watch your
AR > child die because you believe in a cult's
AR > nonsense.
What IS your current religion exactly, AR?
Are you part of an ARIM church?
> >Well, this about sums it up. I guess
> >this God wasn't good enough for you,
> >therefore you must have found another
> >god or something else.
AR > You are not worshiping a God, Gary.
AR > You are worshiping a cult.
Whereas your current religion is NOT a CULT??
You hint at being in an ARIM church, but
refuse to acknowledge that.
AR > The cult leaders tell you what you can and
AR > can not do, and you cannot question them.
Like how YOU don't want to answer questions, AR?
There are several religions that have dietary
or medical restrictions.
Does that really trouble you?
Are you in a "Charismatic" church now, AR?
Identify it so we can discuss the quirks of
that church.
I bet Kent, Moe and the atheists would
all enjoy that!
wrote:
> In article <65f5d297-3943-4d8a-b35b-6dbe45571...@o15g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
Just a FIFTEEN YEAR hate campaign against JW's
carried out by people hiding behind anonymous
remailers and changing their own name a lot.
> You are relying on the Watchtower which wrote
> articles decades ago about the risks of blood transfusions. Those risks have
> been greatly minimized since then. There's nothing sinful about blood
> transfusions. At one time the JWs believed that inoculations were sinful but
> they changed their mind. The only reason they don't change their opinion about
> blood transfusions are the lawsuits that it would generate. Notice that just
> about every fraction of blood is acceptable now. Why is that Gary? And even
> now if a parent 'fights' a court order but loses, he is considered venerated.
>
> >> >> Explain that to a grieving mother.
>
> >> >People die from all sorts of issues.
> >> >It's not above explaining over
> >> >anything else. How does one explain
> >> >that the blood didn't take and
> >> >was the cause of death to a grieving
> >> >mother?
>
> No one but a brainwashed cult member would think like you do, Gary. Normal
> parents love their children and will do their utmost to protect them.
AR > child die because you believe in a cult's
AR > nonsense.
What IS your current religion exactly, AR?
Are you part of an ARIM church?
> >Well, this about sums it up. I guess
> >this God wasn't good enough for you,
> >therefore you must have found another
> >god or something else.
AR > You are worshiping a cult.
Whereas your current religion is NOT a CULT??
You hint at being in an ARIM church, but
refuse to acknowledge that.
AR > The cult leaders tell you what you can and
AR > can not do, and you cannot question them.
Like how YOU don't want to answer questions, AR?
There are several religions that have dietary
or medical restrictions.
Does that really trouble you?
Are you in a "Charismatic" church now, AR?
Identify it so we can discuss the quirks of
that church.
I bet Kent, Moe and the atheists would
all enjoy that!
Annointed Remnant
Sep 16, 2011, 1:11:05 PM9/16/11
to
In article <0a6d05b9-a3af-4a71...@m5g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
wgroom says...
>
>On Sep 15, 10:22=A0am, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 15, 7:27=A0am, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > In article <122a69d5-6062-4033-ac56-3241442b8...@hg2g2000vbb.googlegrou=
>ps.com>,
>> > wgroom says...
>>
>> > >On Sep 13, 10:14=3DA0pm, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.c=
>om>
>> > >wrote:
>> > >> In article <1a2f64bd-66f8-4360-ba4d-2246e66a5...@a7g2000yqb.googlegr=
>oups.=3D
>> > >com>,
>> > >> wgroom says...
>> > >here. =A0I guess to some, latching
>> > >onto a name means something. =A0Rather
>> > >sick IMO. =A0I'm here to just discuss
>he Kingdom
>> > Hall, Gary? =A0Do you ever remember any of the elders saying that you h=
>ave no
>> > business being here?
>> >=A0If you are not worried about it, then why not use you real
imagine what he would do to wife beaters and child abusers?
wgroom says...
>
>On Sep 15, 10:22=A0am, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 15, 7:27=A0am, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > In article <122a69d5-6062-4033-ac56-3241442b8...@hg2g2000vbb.googlegrou=
>ps.com>,
>> > wgroom says...
>>
>> > >On Sep 13, 10:14=3DA0pm, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.c=
>om>
>> > >wrote:
>> > >> In article <1a2f64bd-66f8-4360-ba4d-2246e66a5...@a7g2000yqb.googlegr=
>oups.=3D
>> > >com>,
>> > >> wgroom says...
>> > >onto a name means something. =A0Rather
>> > >sick IMO. =A0I'm here to just discuss
>> > >the Bible or related topics and not
>> > >exactly care about who Iam posting
>> > >to.
>>
>> > So, as a Jehovah's Witness, you are in agreement with what this wife be=
>> > >exactly care about who Iam posting
>> > >to.
>>
>ater and
>> > child abuser says?
>>
>> Um, AR, a domestic abuse conviction
>> does not specify BEATING.vs pushing.
>> Neither were for BEATING.
>>
>> My ex from 16 years ago was bipolar.
>>
>> I have never been convicted of child neglect
>> or child abuse.
>>
>> I was accused of child neglect but
>> not even in the family court.
>>
>> Do you think every accused person is GUILTY, AR?
>>
>> > Do you think it a little odd that you are the only JW
>> > posting to this forum?
>>
>> Kind of a cheap shot for you to engage in an
>> internet attack on a religion that forbids
>> members to use the internet, wouldn't you say?
>>
>> Going to run an internet hate campaign
>> against the Amish next?
>>
>> > This is a newsgroup dedicated to JWs
>>
>> Are you sure it's not a newsgroup dedicated
>> to a FIFTEEN YEAR hate campaign against
>> JW's, but apparently launched by a variant church?
>>
>> > and you are the
>> > only one out of over seven million posting here. =A0Do you ever go to t=
>> > child abuser says?
>>
>> Um, AR, a domestic abuse conviction
>> does not specify BEATING.vs pushing.
>> Neither were for BEATING.
>>
>> My ex from 16 years ago was bipolar.
>>
>> I have never been convicted of child neglect
>> or child abuse.
>>
>> I was accused of child neglect but
>> not even in the family court.
>>
>> Do you think every accused person is GUILTY, AR?
>>
>> > Do you think it a little odd that you are the only JW
>> > posting to this forum?
>>
>> Kind of a cheap shot for you to engage in an
>> internet attack on a religion that forbids
>> members to use the internet, wouldn't you say?
>>
>> Going to run an internet hate campaign
>> against the Amish next?
>>
>> > This is a newsgroup dedicated to JWs
>>
>> Are you sure it's not a newsgroup dedicated
>> to a FIFTEEN YEAR hate campaign against
>> JW's, but apparently launched by a variant church?
>>
>> > and you are the
>he Kingdom
>> > Hall, Gary? =A0Do you ever remember any of the elders saying that you h=
>ave no
>> > business being here?
>> >=A0If you are not worried about it, then why not use you real
>> > name, Gary Bergman?
>>
>> When are you going to use YOUR real name, AR?
>>
>> >=A0You have nothing to fear =A0from man; your God will protect
>>
>> When are you going to use YOUR real name, AR?
>>
>> > you, won't he, Gary?
>>
>> What IS your current denomination, AR?
>>
>> Are you in a church affiliated with
>> Anointed Remnant Intermational MInistries (ARIM) ?
>>
>> Are you really just promoting a RIVAL faith
>> to the JW's you harass, or are you just
>> another atheist, AR?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>I think Jesus would be saying a little more than "get behind me Satan"
>as he said to Peter.
>
>wg
I do believe you're right. If Jesus threw money changers out of temples,
>>
>> What IS your current denomination, AR?
>>
>> Are you in a church affiliated with
>> Anointed Remnant Intermational MInistries (ARIM) ?
>>
>> Are you really just promoting a RIVAL faith
>> to the JW's you harass, or are you just
>> another atheist, AR?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>I think Jesus would be saying a little more than "get behind me Satan"
>as he said to Peter.
>
>wg
imagine what he would do to wife beaters and child abusers?
wgroom
Sep 16, 2011, 1:50:11 PM9/16/11
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wg
wgroom
Sep 16, 2011, 1:54:15 PM9/16/11
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On Sep 16, 11:11 am, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
wrote:
> In article <0a6d05b9-a3af-4a71-b3fe-0ad914c5e...@m5g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
> imagine what he would do to wife beaters and child abusers?- Hide quoted text -
to live under God's constant observation, and will do so until Eden
gets rectified, which is more than 1,000+ years away.
wg
wrote:
> In article <0a6d05b9-a3af-4a71-b3fe-0ad914c5e...@m5g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
Righteous Judgment shouldn't be hard to understand. It's why we have
> - Show quoted text -
to live under God's constant observation, and will do so until Eden
gets rectified, which is more than 1,000+ years away.
wg
wgroom
Sep 16, 2011, 1:49:31 PM9/16/11
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On Sep 16, 5:47 am, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
wrote:
> In article <65f5d297-3943-4d8a-b35b-6dbe45571...@o15g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
> leaders tell you what you can and can not do, and you cannot question them.- Hide quoted text -
same one that anointed the Christ. They don't blaspheme and use that
position to make mockery of it by using a disgusting named nic.
I never question the true God, Jehovah, who Christ describes as "his
God", and what he has made me personally experience.
wg
wrote:
> In article <65f5d297-3943-4d8a-b35b-6dbe45571...@o15g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
No, they are Christ's brothers who are anointed by the true God, the
> - Show quoted text -
same one that anointed the Christ. They don't blaspheme and use that
position to make mockery of it by using a disgusting named nic.
I never question the true God, Jehovah, who Christ describes as "his
God", and what he has made me personally experience.
wg
wgroom
Sep 16, 2011, 1:59:43 PM9/16/11
to
On Sep 16, 5:47 am, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
wrote:
> In article <65f5d297-3943-4d8a-b35b-6dbe45571...@o15g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
A lot of interesting stuff goes thru my mailbox each day....
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> >> >> Explain that to a grieving mother.
>
> >> >People die from all sorts of issues.
> >> >It's not above explaining over
> >> >anything else. How does one explain
> >> >that the blood didn't take and
> >> >was the cause of death to a grieving
> >> >mother?
>
> No one but a brainwashed cult member would think like you do, Gary. Normal
> parents love their children and will do their utmost to protect them. You, on
> the other hand, would watch your child die because you believe in a cult's
> nonsense.
>
> >Well, this about sums it up. I guess
> >this God wasn't good enough for you,
> >therefore you must have found another
> >god or something else.
>
> You are not worshiping a God, Gary. You are worshiping a cult. The cult
> leaders tell you what you can and can not do, and you cannot question them.- Hide quoted text -
wrote:
> In article <65f5d297-3943-4d8a-b35b-6dbe45571...@o15g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
Dear NaturalNews readers,
Explosive new evidence has emerged that Gardasil vaccines appear to be
contaminated with a genetically engineered Human Papillomavirus
recombinant DNA. This has been revealed by SANE Vax, Inc., which
conducted the laboratory testing which found contamination in 13
vaccine vials purchased in countries across the globe.
Could this help explain the devastating (and sometimes deadly) side
effects being experienced by adolescent girls who take HPV vaccine
shots? Read more to find out:
http://www.naturalnews.com/033585_Gardasil_contamination.html
Also today: We publish the transcript of a secret interview featuring
Dr. Maurice Hilleman, a top Merck vaccine scientist, who openly admits
that vaccines contained leukemia, SV40 and cancer viruses that cause
tumors. A shocking admission from the history of western medicine.
Read the full transcript and listen to the interview yourself. You
will be stunned:
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Medical societies maintain secret financial ties to drug companies.
Surprised? You shouldn't be:
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What's safer than mammography? Thermography! It detects breast cancer
by sensing heat:
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cramps, check out this article on lemon grass:
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P.S. I'm on the Robert Scott Bell show today, discussing the Greg
Caton case and other topics. Tune in at www.NaturalNewsRadio.com
P.P.S. I'm also hosting the Alex Jones show today, which broadcasts at
11 a.m. central time. Guests include Dr. Andrew Wakefield and a
surprise guest from the Rawesome Foods raid! Listen in at www.PrisonPlanet.com
More news continues below, including a breaking story on methyl iodide
(the deadly pesticide being used on strawberries grown in
California)...
> >> >> Explain that to a grieving mother.
>
> >> >People die from all sorts of issues.
> >> >It's not above explaining over
> >> >anything else. How does one explain
> >> >that the blood didn't take and
> >> >was the cause of death to a grieving
> >> >mother?
>
> No one but a brainwashed cult member would think like you do, Gary. Normal
> parents love their children and will do their utmost to protect them. You, on
> the other hand, would watch your child die because you believe in a cult's
> nonsense.
>
> >Well, this about sums it up. I guess
> >this God wasn't good enough for you,
> >therefore you must have found another
> >god or something else.
>
> You are not worshiping a God, Gary. You are worshiping a cult. The cult
Annointed Remnant
Sep 16, 2011, 2:46:31 PM9/16/11
to
In article <5e877294-282c-4090...@h7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
wgroom says...
>
>On Sep 16, 5:47=A0am, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
>wrote:
>> In article <65f5d297-3943-4d8a-b35b-6dbe45571...@o15g2000vbe.googlegroups=
>.com>,
>> wgroom says...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Sep 13, 10:29=3DA0pm, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com=
>>
>> >wrote:
>> >> In article <b872c4e4-43de-4a1f-bdc3-3fd85173f...@br5g2000vbb.googlegro=
>ups=3D
>> There is no conspiracy, Gary. =A0You are relying on the Watchtower which =
>wrote
>> articles decades ago about the risks of blood transfusions. =A0Those risk=
>s have
>> been greatly minimized since then. =A0There's nothing sinful about blood
>> transfusions. =A0At one time the JWs believed that inoculations were sinf=
>ul but
>> they changed their mind. =A0The only reason they don't change their opini=
>on about
>> blood transfusions are the lawsuits that it would generate. =A0Notice tha=
>t just
>> about every fraction of blood is acceptable now. =A0Why is that Gary? =A0=
>And even
>> now if a parent 'fights' a court order but loses, he is considered venera=
>rmal
>> parents love their children and will do their utmost to protect them. =A0=
>You, on
>> the other hand, would watch your child die because you believe in a cult'=
>s
>> nonsense.
>>
>> >Well, this about sums it up. =A0I guess
>cult
>> leaders tell you what you can and can not do, and you cannot question the=
not only said you were in Vietnam but that you were the character behind Forrest
Gump. In fact you said you told your story to Winston Groom, who wrote the
book, "Forrest Gump." And then you went on to say you wrote the book,
"Gumpisms." That's why you use the nym, wgroom.
Actually, Gary, you are a liar. After your wife dumped you, you lived with her
father awhile and now you live alone and penniless in an old boarding house in
upstate New York. You used post on webtv, then you went to the library in
Corning NY, while now you use the computer for the boarding house guests.
All you have left in this world in your delusions of grandeur, conspiracy
theories, and your cult. Do your elders know what you are doing on the
computer, Gary?
wgroom says...
>
>On Sep 16, 5:47=A0am, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
>wrote:
>> In article <65f5d297-3943-4d8a-b35b-6dbe45571...@o15g2000vbe.googlegroups=
>.com>,
>> wgroom says...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Sep 13, 10:29=3DA0pm, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com=
>>
>> >wrote:
>> >> In article <b872c4e4-43de-4a1f-bdc3-3fd85173f...@br5g2000vbb.googlegro=
>ups=3D
>wrote
>> articles decades ago about the risks of blood transfusions. =A0Those risk=
>s have
>> been greatly minimized since then. =A0There's nothing sinful about blood
>> transfusions. =A0At one time the JWs believed that inoculations were sinf=
>ul but
>> they changed their mind. =A0The only reason they don't change their opini=
>on about
>> blood transfusions are the lawsuits that it would generate. =A0Notice tha=
>t just
>> about every fraction of blood is acceptable now. =A0Why is that Gary? =A0=
>And even
>> now if a parent 'fights' a court order but loses, he is considered venera=
>ted.
>>
>> >> >> Explain that to a grieving mother.
>>
>> >> >People die from all sorts of issues.
>> >> >It's not above explaining over
>> >> >anything else. =A0How does one explain
>>
>> >> >> Explain that to a grieving mother.
>>
>> >> >People die from all sorts of issues.
>> >> >It's not above explaining over
>> >> >that the blood didn't take and
>> >> >was the cause of death to a grieving
>> >> >mother?
>>
>> No one but a brainwashed cult member would think like you do, Gary. =A0No=
>> >> >was the cause of death to a grieving
>> >> >mother?
>>
>rmal
>> parents love their children and will do their utmost to protect them. =A0=
>You, on
>> the other hand, would watch your child die because you believe in a cult'=
>s
>> nonsense.
>>
>> >Well, this about sums it up. =A0I guess
>> >this God wasn't good enough for you,
>> >therefore you must have found another
>> >god or something else.
>>
>> You are not worshiping a God, Gary. =A0You are worshiping a cult. =A0The =
>> >therefore you must have found another
>> >god or something else.
>>
>cult
>> leaders tell you what you can and can not do, and you cannot question the=
>m.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>No, they are Christ's brothers who are anointed by the true God, the
>same one that anointed the Christ. They don't blaspheme and use that
>position to make mockery of it by using a disgusting named nic.
>
>I never question the true God, Jehovah, who Christ describes as "his
>God", and what he has made me personally experience.
What did you personally experience, Gary? Was it the Vietnam War, Gary? You
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>No, they are Christ's brothers who are anointed by the true God, the
>same one that anointed the Christ. They don't blaspheme and use that
>position to make mockery of it by using a disgusting named nic.
>
>I never question the true God, Jehovah, who Christ describes as "his
>God", and what he has made me personally experience.
not only said you were in Vietnam but that you were the character behind Forrest
Gump. In fact you said you told your story to Winston Groom, who wrote the
book, "Forrest Gump." And then you went on to say you wrote the book,
"Gumpisms." That's why you use the nym, wgroom.
Actually, Gary, you are a liar. After your wife dumped you, you lived with her
father awhile and now you live alone and penniless in an old boarding house in
upstate New York. You used post on webtv, then you went to the library in
Corning NY, while now you use the computer for the boarding house guests.
All you have left in this world in your delusions of grandeur, conspiracy
theories, and your cult. Do your elders know what you are doing on the
computer, Gary?
Annointed Remnant
Sep 16, 2011, 2:53:49 PM9/16/11
to
In article <d62aac15-d16a-40f3...@i2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
wgroom says...
>
>On Sep 16, 11:11=A0am, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
>wrote:
>> In article <0a6d05b9-a3af-4a71-b3fe-0ad914c5e...@m5g2000vbm.googlegroups.=
>com>,
>> wgroom says...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Sep 15, 10:22=3DA0am, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Sep 15, 7:27=3DA0am, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.co=
>m>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> > In article <122a69d5-6062-4033-ac56-3241442b8...@hg2g2000vbb.googleg=
>rou=3D
>> >ps.com>,
>> >> > wgroom says...
>>
>> >> > >On Sep 13, 10:14=3D3DA0pm, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@news=
>guy.c=3D
>> >om>
>> >> > >wrote:
>> >> > >> In article <1a2f64bd-66f8-4360-ba4d-2246e66a5...@a7g2000yqb.googl=
>egr=3D
>> >oups.=3D3D
>> >> > >com>,
>> >> > >> wgroom says...
>> >> > >here. =3DA0I guess to some, latching
>> >> > >onto a name means something. =3DA0Rather
>> >> > >sick IMO. =3DA0I'm here to just discuss
> be=3D
> to t=3D
>> >he Kingdom
>> >> > Hall, Gary? =3DA0Do you ever remember any of the elders saying that =
>you h=3D
go to prison and become someone's girlfriend.
wgroom says...
>
>On Sep 16, 11:11=A0am, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
>wrote:
>> In article <0a6d05b9-a3af-4a71-b3fe-0ad914c5e...@m5g2000vbm.googlegroups.=
>com>,
>> wgroom says...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Sep 15, 10:22=3DA0am, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Sep 15, 7:27=3DA0am, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.co=
>m>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> > In article <122a69d5-6062-4033-ac56-3241442b8...@hg2g2000vbb.googleg=
>rou=3D
>> >ps.com>,
>> >> > wgroom says...
>>
>> >> > >On Sep 13, 10:14=3D3DA0pm, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@news=
>guy.c=3D
>> >om>
>> >> > >wrote:
>> >> > >> In article <1a2f64bd-66f8-4360-ba4d-2246e66a5...@a7g2000yqb.googl=
>egr=3D
>> >oups.=3D3D
>> >> > >com>,
>> >> > >> wgroom says...
>> >> > >onto a name means something. =3DA0Rather
>> >> > >sick IMO. =3DA0I'm here to just discuss
>> >> > >the Bible or related topics and not
>> >> > >exactly care about who Iam posting
>> >> > >to.
>>
>> >> > So, as a Jehovah's Witness, you are in agreement with what this wife=
>> >> > >exactly care about who Iam posting
>> >> > >to.
>>
> be=3D
>> >ater and
>> >> > child abuser says?
>>
>> >> Um, AR, a domestic abuse conviction
>> >> does not specify BEATING.vs pushing.
>> >> Neither were for BEATING.
>>
>> >> My ex from 16 years ago was bipolar.
>>
>> >> I have never been convicted of child neglect
>> >> or child abuse.
>>
>> >> I was accused of child neglect but
>> >> not even in the family court.
>>
>> >> Do you think every accused person is GUILTY, AR?
>>
>> >> > Do you think it a little odd that you are the only JW
>> >> > posting to this forum?
>>
>> >> Kind of a cheap shot for you to engage in an
>> >> internet attack on a religion that forbids
>> >> members to use the internet, wouldn't you say?
>>
>> >> Going to run an internet hate campaign
>> >> against the Amish next?
>>
>> >> > This is a newsgroup dedicated to JWs
>>
>> >> Are you sure it's not a newsgroup dedicated
>> >> to a FIFTEEN YEAR hate campaign against
>> >> JW's, but apparently launched by a variant church?
>>
>> >> > and you are the
>> >> > only one out of over seven million posting here. =3DA0Do you ever go=
>> >> > child abuser says?
>>
>> >> Um, AR, a domestic abuse conviction
>> >> does not specify BEATING.vs pushing.
>> >> Neither were for BEATING.
>>
>> >> My ex from 16 years ago was bipolar.
>>
>> >> I have never been convicted of child neglect
>> >> or child abuse.
>>
>> >> I was accused of child neglect but
>> >> not even in the family court.
>>
>> >> Do you think every accused person is GUILTY, AR?
>>
>> >> > Do you think it a little odd that you are the only JW
>> >> > posting to this forum?
>>
>> >> Kind of a cheap shot for you to engage in an
>> >> internet attack on a religion that forbids
>> >> members to use the internet, wouldn't you say?
>>
>> >> Going to run an internet hate campaign
>> >> against the Amish next?
>>
>> >> > This is a newsgroup dedicated to JWs
>>
>> >> Are you sure it's not a newsgroup dedicated
>> >> to a FIFTEEN YEAR hate campaign against
>> >> JW's, but apparently launched by a variant church?
>>
>> >> > and you are the
> to t=3D
>> >he Kingdom
>> >> > Hall, Gary? =3DA0Do you ever remember any of the elders saying that =
>you h=3D
>> >ave no
>> >> > business being here?
>> >> >=3DA0If you are not worried about it, then why not use you real
>> >> > business being here?
>> >> > name, Gary Bergman?
>>
>> >> When are you going to use YOUR real name, AR?
>>
>> >> >=3DA0You have nothing to fear =3DA0from man; your God will protect
>>
>> >> When are you going to use YOUR real name, AR?
>>
>> >> > you, won't he, Gary?
>>
>> >> What IS your current denomination, AR?
>>
>> >> Are you in a church affiliated with
>> >> Anointed Remnant Intermational MInistries (ARIM) ?
>>
>> >> Are you really just promoting a RIVAL faith
>> >> to the JW's you harass, or are you just
>> >> another atheist, AR?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >I think Jesus would be saying a little more than "get behind me Satan"
>> >as he said to Peter.
>>
>> >wg
>>
>> I do believe you're right. If Jesus
>> threw money changers out of temples,
>> imagine what he would do to wife
>> beaters and child abusers?
>
>>
>> >> What IS your current denomination, AR?
>>
>> >> Are you in a church affiliated with
>> >> Anointed Remnant Intermational MInistries (ARIM) ?
>>
>> >> Are you really just promoting a RIVAL faith
>> >> to the JW's you harass, or are you just
>> >> another atheist, AR?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >I think Jesus would be saying a little more than "get behind me Satan"
>> >as he said to Peter.
>>
>> >wg
>>
>> I do believe you're right. If Jesus
>> threw money changers out of temples,
>> imagine what he would do to wife
>> beaters and child abusers?
>
>Righteous Judgment shouldn't be hard
>to understand.
It's not. Everyone hates wife beaters and child abusers. Those types need to
>to understand.
go to prison and become someone's girlfriend.
Annointed Remnant
Sep 16, 2011, 2:59:53 PM9/16/11
to
In article <87bf2c7a-8cc7-4aa9...@k28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
wgroom says...
>
>On Sep 16, 5:47=A0am, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
>wrote:
>> In article <65f5d297-3943-4d8a-b35b-6dbe45571...@o15g2000vbe.googlegroups=
>.com>,
>> wgroom says...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> There is no conspiracy, Gary. =A0You are relying on the Watchtower which =
>wrote
>> articles decades ago about the risks of blood transfusions. =A0Those risk=
>s have
>> been greatly minimized since then. =A0There's nothing sinful about blood
>> transfusions. =A0At one time the JWs believed that inoculations were sinf=
>ul but
>> they changed their mind. =A0The only reason they don't change their opini=
>on about
>> blood transfusions are the lawsuits that it would generate. =A0Notice tha=
>t just
>> now if a parent 'fights' a court order but loses, he is considered venera=
>surprise guest from the Rawesome Foods raid! Listen in at www.PrisonPlanet.=
You just can't find enough conspiracy theories, can you, Gary?
wgroom says...
>
>On Sep 16, 5:47=A0am, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
>wrote:
>> In article <65f5d297-3943-4d8a-b35b-6dbe45571...@o15g2000vbe.googlegroups=
>.com>,
>> wgroom says...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Sep 13, 10:29=3DA0pm, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com=
>>
>> >wrote:
>> >> In article <b872c4e4-43de-4a1f-bdc3-3fd85173f...@br5g2000vbb.googlegro=
>ups=3D
>>
>> >wrote:
>> >> In article <b872c4e4-43de-4a1f-bdc3-3fd85173f...@br5g2000vbb.googlegro=
>ups=3D
>wrote
>> articles decades ago about the risks of blood transfusions. =A0Those risk=
>s have
>> been greatly minimized since then. =A0There's nothing sinful about blood
>> transfusions. =A0At one time the JWs believed that inoculations were sinf=
>ul but
>> they changed their mind. =A0The only reason they don't change their opini=
>on about
>> blood transfusions are the lawsuits that it would generate. =A0Notice tha=
>t just
>> about every fraction of blood is acceptable now. =A0Why is that Gary? =A0=
>And even
>> now if a parent 'fights' a court order but loses, he is considered venera=
>com
>
>
>
>More news continues below, including a breaking story on methyl iodide
>(the deadly pesticide being used on strawberries grown in
>California)...
Conpiracy whackos! Gotta love 'em for trying though.
>
>
>
>More news continues below, including a breaking story on methyl iodide
>(the deadly pesticide being used on strawberries grown in
>California)...
You just can't find enough conspiracy theories, can you, Gary?
Greegor
Sep 16, 2011, 4:18:29 PM9/16/11
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> You just can't find enough conspiracy theories, can you, Gary?
Contaminants in vaccines are not merely a conspiracy theory.
MadMonkey
Sep 16, 2011, 5:41:08 PM9/16/11
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Annointed Remnant wrote:
> In article <65f5d297-3943-4d8a...@o15g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
>
> No one but a brainwashed cult member would think like you do, Gary. Normal
> parents love their children and will do their utmost to protect them.
Which includes allowing children to sign up in the arm forces where they
can get killed. When you volunteered, did your parent sign you in?
--
=You don't want a Mad Monkey on your back=
> In article <65f5d297-3943-4d8a...@o15g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
>
> No one but a brainwashed cult member would think like you do, Gary. Normal
> parents love their children and will do their utmost to protect them.
can get killed. When you volunteered, did your parent sign you in?
--
=You don't want a Mad Monkey on your back=
KabukiBob
Sep 17, 2011, 5:07:23 AM9/17/11
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Christian.
The deity that the JW's claim to believe in is a rather muted version
of the deity that Christians worship. They claim that Jesus was not,
as many Christians sincerely believe, God in the flesh and that his
sacrifice on the Cross did indeed pay for all our sins.
I don't know what AR believes now in terms of his personal religion
or no religion, but I do believe that he realized the harm being a JW
was to him and others and got out of the cult.
Monk dissing AR shows more of Monks own hypocrisy than anything I
could say.
Moe
KabukiBob
Sep 17, 2011, 5:13:48 AM9/17/11
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On Sep 16, 12:11 pm, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
wrote:
> In article <0a6d05b9-a3af-4a71-b3fe-0ad914c5e...@m5g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
He did say about children " to the least of these you do, you do to
Me."
Greg makes excuses for what he did to his mentally ill ex-wife and to
a seven year old girl, but the latter has the result of the girl no
longer being in the home where he resides and her mother choosing the
bum over her own daughter. He was the cause for the child's removal
from the home.
The JW's BTW, see no problem in covering up sexual crimes amongst the
KH such as rape and pedophilia. IOW Greg's kind of people.
Moe
wrote:
> In article <0a6d05b9-a3af-4a71-b3fe-0ad914c5e...@m5g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
Me."
Greg makes excuses for what he did to his mentally ill ex-wife and to
a seven year old girl, but the latter has the result of the girl no
longer being in the home where he resides and her mother choosing the
bum over her own daughter. He was the cause for the child's removal
from the home.
The JW's BTW, see no problem in covering up sexual crimes amongst the
KH such as rape and pedophilia. IOW Greg's kind of people.
Moe
MadMonkey
Sep 17, 2011, 8:03:21 AM9/17/11
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> The deity that the JW's claim to believe in is a rather muted version
> of the deity that Christians worship. They claim that Jesus was not,
> as many Christians sincerely believe, God in the flesh and that his
> sacrifice on the Cross did indeed pay for all our sins.
>
> I don't know what AR believes now in terms of his personal religion
> or no religion, but I do believe that he realized the harm being a JW
> was to him and others and got out of the cult.
>
> Monk dissing AR shows more of Monks own hypocrisy than anything I
> could say.
>
> Moe
KabukiBob
Sep 17, 2011, 10:51:18 AM9/17/11
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>
> > The deity that the JW's claim to believe in is a rather muted version
> > of the deity that Christians worship. They claim that Jesus was not,
> > as many Christians sincerely believe, God in the flesh and that his
> > sacrifice on the Cross did indeed pay for all our sins.
>
> > I don't know what AR believes now in terms of his personal religion
> > or no religion, but I do believe that he realized the harm being a JW
> > was to him and others and got out of the cult.
>
> > Monk dissing AR shows more of Monks own hypocrisy than anything I
> > could say.
>
> > Moe
>
> Picking a fight with me----not working---
Moe
wgroom
Sep 17, 2011, 1:07:25 PM9/17/11
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On Sep 16, 12:46 pm, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
wrote:
> In article <5e877294-282c-4090-a967-0b58f848e...@h7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> computer, Gary?- Hide quoted text -
to cast one's pearls before swine. Still waiting on your 'new god'
theory now.
wg
wrote:
> In article <5e877294-282c-4090-a967-0b58f848e...@h7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
I am sorry, I would have much more to divulge if the Master said not
> - Show quoted text -
to cast one's pearls before swine. Still waiting on your 'new god'
theory now.
wg
wgroom
Sep 17, 2011, 1:09:33 PM9/17/11
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On Sep 16, 12:59 pm, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
wrote:
> In article <87bf2c7a-8cc7-4aa9-8708-074830d12...@k28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
> You just can't find enough conspiracy theories, can you, Gary? - Hide quoted text -
conspiracy by God's Adversary to rule the earth. The devil is in the
details one should know. Thankfully, Jehovah's Son is relegated to a
new position to be Ruler Over The Kings of the Earth in Rev. 1:5.
wg
wrote:
> In article <87bf2c7a-8cc7-4aa9-8708-074830d12...@k28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
Actually the most quoted and admired person on earth said there was a
> - Show quoted text -
conspiracy by God's Adversary to rule the earth. The devil is in the
details one should know. Thankfully, Jehovah's Son is relegated to a
new position to be Ruler Over The Kings of the Earth in Rev. 1:5.
wg
wgroom
Sep 17, 2011, 1:22:55 PM9/17/11
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proclamation of Rev. 18:4 says "to get out of her my people" if one
doesn't want to share in her plagues. Most would read and apply that
to the broad and not narrow of Christendom if they look at the
surrounding material.
> The deity that the JW's claim to believe in is a rather muted version
> of the deity that Christians worship. They claim that Jesus was not,
> as many Christians sincerely believe, God in the flesh and that his
> sacrifice on the Cross did indeed pay for all our sins.
>
Oh it's the same deity that the Christ believed in in Matt. 4 and
Matt. 22. And of course the real annointed brothers of Christ worship
that same deity, since they are anointed like he was. They know and
have purpose and worship Christ's God as in Rev. 1:6. They also know
that the real issue is about God's creation having a created choice
characteristic and that includes angels in heaven and won't be
remedied until the end of the 1,000 year reign of Christ and his
anointed brothers. There would have been no victory or answer to the
devil's accusation if it wasn't one of God's created beings. Prov.
8:22-36, Rev. 1:5, 3:14
> I don't know what AR believes now in terms of his personal religion
> or no religion, but I do believe that he realized the harm being a JW
> was to him and others and got out of the cult.
>
Don't forget scriptures of many that have people leave because of
their own devices and would justify it by labelling the morals laid
out by God, Christ, and the apostles as being too much ______. In
essence most people leave because of wanting to enjoy selfish-
motivated behaviours and that's why most hang out in these places.
> Monk dissing AR shows more of Monks own hypocrisy than anything I
> could say.
>
Hardly. He is trying to make AR give his reason for showing any
religious allegiance of denying possibly the existence of God. That's
exposing, not humiliating.
wg
> Moe- Hide quoted text -
Annointed Remnant
Sep 17, 2011, 3:50:10 PM9/17/11
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In article <f0cc4aae-7f84-4832...@1g2000vbu.googlegroups.com>,
wgroom says...
>
>On Sep 16, 12:46=A0pm, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
>wrote:
>> In article <5e877294-282c-4090-a967-0b58f848e...@h7g2000yqm.googlegroups.=
>com>,
>> wgroom says...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Sep 16, 5:47=3DA0am, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >> In article <65f5d297-3943-4d8a-b35b-6dbe45571...@o15g2000vbe.googlegro=
>y.com=3D
>>
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> >> In article <b872c4e4-43de-4a1f-bdc3-3fd85173f...@br5g2000vbb.google=
>gro=3D
>> >ups=3D3D
>> >> There is no conspiracy, Gary. =3DA0You are relying on the Watchtower w=
>hich =3D
>> >wrote
>> >> articles decades ago about the risks of blood transfusions. =3DA0Those=
> risk=3D
>> >s have
>> >> been greatly minimized since then. =3DA0There's nothing sinful about b=
>lood
>> >> transfusions. =3DA0At one time the JWs believed that inoculations were=
> sinf=3D
>> >ul but
>> >> they changed their mind. =3DA0The only reason they don't change their =
>opini=3D
>> >on about
>> >> blood transfusions are the lawsuits that it would generate. =3DA0Notic=
>e tha=3D
>> >t just
>> >> about every fraction of blood is acceptable now. =3DA0Why is that Gary=
>? =3DA0=3D
>> >And even
>> >> now if a parent 'fights' a court order but loses, he is considered ven=
>era=3D
>> >You, on
>> >> the other hand, would watch your child die because you believe in a cu=
>lt'=3D
>> >s
>> >> nonsense.
>>
>> >> >Well, this about sums it up. =3DA0I guess
>=3DA0The =3D
>> >cult
>> >> leaders tell you what you can and can not do, and you cannot question =
>the=3D
>? =A0You
>> not only said you were in Vietnam but that you were the character behind =
>Forrest
>> Gump. =A0In fact you said you told your story to Winston Groom, who wrote=
> the
>> book, "Forrest Gump." =A0And then you went on to say you wrote the book,
>> "Gumpisms." =A0That's why you use the nym, wgroom.
>>
>> Actually, Gary, you are a liar. =A0After your wife dumped you, you lived =
>with her
>> father awhile and now you live alone and penniless in an old boarding hou=
>se in
>> upstate New York. =A0You used post on webtv, then you went to the library=
say not to cast pearls, then, by God, you will not cast pearls. You will not
think or reason outside the Watchtower. You know that, so whatever you do,
don't cast your pearls.
>Still waiting on your 'new god'
>theory now.
What 'new god' theory? Trying to start another conspiracy, Gary? Why don't you
start addressing your lies about being a famous author and being a Vietnam vet?
You know how Jehovah hates liars, don't you, Gary? Did you confess to the
elders that you are an habitual liar?
wgroom says...
>
>On Sep 16, 12:46=A0pm, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
>wrote:
>> In article <5e877294-282c-4090-a967-0b58f848e...@h7g2000yqm.googlegroups.=
>com>,
>> wgroom says...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Sep 16, 5:47=3DA0am, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >> In article <65f5d297-3943-4d8a-b35b-6dbe45571...@o15g2000vbe.googlegro=
>ups=3D
>> >.com>,
>> >> wgroom says...
>>
>> >> >On Sep 13, 10:29=3D3DA0pm, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsgu=
>> >.com>,
>> >> wgroom says...
>>
>y.com=3D
>>
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> >> In article <b872c4e4-43de-4a1f-bdc3-3fd85173f...@br5g2000vbb.google=
>gro=3D
>> >ups=3D3D
>hich =3D
>> >wrote
>> >> articles decades ago about the risks of blood transfusions. =3DA0Those=
> risk=3D
>> >s have
>> >> been greatly minimized since then. =3DA0There's nothing sinful about b=
>lood
>> >> transfusions. =3DA0At one time the JWs believed that inoculations were=
> sinf=3D
>> >ul but
>> >> they changed their mind. =3DA0The only reason they don't change their =
>opini=3D
>> >on about
>> >> blood transfusions are the lawsuits that it would generate. =3DA0Notic=
>e tha=3D
>> >t just
>> >> about every fraction of blood is acceptable now. =3DA0Why is that Gary=
>? =3DA0=3D
>> >And even
>> >> now if a parent 'fights' a court order but loses, he is considered ven=
>era=3D
>> >ted.
>>
>> >> >> >> Explain that to a grieving mother.
>>
>> >> >> >People die from all sorts of issues.
>> >> >> >It's not above explaining over
>> >> >> >anything else. =3DA0How does one explain
>>
>> >> >> >> Explain that to a grieving mother.
>>
>> >> >> >People die from all sorts of issues.
>> >> >> >It's not above explaining over
>> >> >> >that the blood didn't take and
>> >> >> >was the cause of death to a grieving
>> >> >> >mother?
>>
>> >> No one but a brainwashed cult member would think like you do, Gary. =
>=3DA0No=3D
>> >> >> >was the cause of death to a grieving
>> >> >> >mother?
>>
>> >> No one but a brainwashed cult member would think like you do, Gary. =
>> >rmal
>> >> parents love their children and will do their utmost to protect them. =
>=3DA0=3D
>> >> parents love their children and will do their utmost to protect them. =
>> >You, on
>> >> the other hand, would watch your child die because you believe in a cu=
>lt'=3D
>> >s
>> >> nonsense.
>>
>> >> >Well, this about sums it up. =3DA0I guess
>> >> >this God wasn't good enough for you,
>> >> >therefore you must have found another
>> >> >god or something else.
>>
>> >> You are not worshiping a God, Gary. =3DA0You are worshiping a cult. =
>> >> >therefore you must have found another
>> >> >god or something else.
>>
>=3DA0The =3D
>> >cult
>> >> leaders tell you what you can and can not do, and you cannot question =
>the=3D
>> >m.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >No, they are Christ's brothers who are anointed by the true God, the
>> >same one that anointed the Christ. =A0They don't blaspheme and use that
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >No, they are Christ's brothers who are anointed by the true God, the
>> >position to make mockery of it by using a disgusting named nic.
>>
>> >I never question the true God, Jehovah, who Christ describes as "his
>> >God", and what he has made me personally experience.
>>
>> What did you personally experience, Gary? =A0Was it the Vietnam War, Gary=
>>
>> >I never question the true God, Jehovah, who Christ describes as "his
>> >God", and what he has made me personally experience.
>>
>? =A0You
>> not only said you were in Vietnam but that you were the character behind =
>Forrest
>> Gump. =A0In fact you said you told your story to Winston Groom, who wrote=
> the
>> book, "Forrest Gump." =A0And then you went on to say you wrote the book,
>> "Gumpisms." =A0That's why you use the nym, wgroom.
>>
>> Actually, Gary, you are a liar. =A0After your wife dumped you, you lived =
>with her
>> father awhile and now you live alone and penniless in an old boarding hou=
>se in
>> upstate New York. =A0You used post on webtv, then you went to the library=
> in
>> Corning NY, while now you use the computer for the boarding house guests.
>>
>> All you have left in this world in your delusions of grandeur, conspiracy
>> theories, and your cult. =A0Do your elders know what you are doing on the
>> Corning NY, while now you use the computer for the boarding house guests.
>>
>> All you have left in this world in your delusions of grandeur, conspiracy
>> computer, Gary?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>I am sorry, I would have much more to divulge if the Master said not
>to cast one's pearls before swine.
Your masters is the collective governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses. If they
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>I am sorry, I would have much more to divulge if the Master said not
>to cast one's pearls before swine.
say not to cast pearls, then, by God, you will not cast pearls. You will not
think or reason outside the Watchtower. You know that, so whatever you do,
don't cast your pearls.
>Still waiting on your 'new god'
>theory now.
start addressing your lies about being a famous author and being a Vietnam vet?
You know how Jehovah hates liars, don't you, Gary? Did you confess to the
elders that you are an habitual liar?
Annointed Remnant
Sep 17, 2011, 3:57:43 PM9/17/11
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In article <2c40e63e-77af-4c1e...@17g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>,
wgroom says...
>
>On Sep 16, 12:59=A0pm, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
>wrote:
>> In article <87bf2c7a-8cc7-4aa9-8708-074830d12...@k28g2000yqh.googlegroups=
>.com>,
>> wgroom says...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Sep 16, 5:47=3DA0am, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >> In article <65f5d297-3943-4d8a-b35b-6dbe45571...@o15g2000vbe.googlegro=
>> >> There is no conspiracy, Gary. =3DA0You are relying on the Watchtower w=
>hich =3D
>> >wrote
>> >> articles decades ago about the risks of blood transfusions. =3DA0Those=
> risk=3D
>> >s have
> sinf=3D
>> >ul but
>> >> they changed their mind. =3DA0The only reason they don't change their =
>opini=3D
>> >on about
>> >> blood transfusions are the lawsuits that it would generate. =3DA0Notic=
>e tha=3D
>> >t just
>> >> now if a parent 'fights' a court order but loses, he is considered ven=
>era=3D
>> >surprise guest from the Rawesome Foods raid! Listen in atwww.PrisonPlane=
>t.=3D
is one individual. One individual does not make a conspiracy. You do know what
a conspiracy is don't you, Gary Bergman? I don't believe Jesus used the word
'conspiracy,' Gary. Did you invent that or did you read it in the Watchtower?
wgroom says...
>
>On Sep 16, 12:59=A0pm, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
>wrote:
>> In article <87bf2c7a-8cc7-4aa9-8708-074830d12...@k28g2000yqh.googlegroups=
>.com>,
>> wgroom says...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Sep 16, 5:47=3DA0am, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >> In article <65f5d297-3943-4d8a-b35b-6dbe45571...@o15g2000vbe.googlegro=
>ups=3D
>> >.com>,
>> >> wgroom says...
>>
>> >.com>,
>> >> wgroom says...
>>
>> >> >On Sep 13, 10:29=3D3DA0pm, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsgu=
>y.com=3D
>>
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> >> In article <b872c4e4-43de-4a1f-bdc3-3fd85173f...@br5g2000vbb.google=
>gro=3D
>> >ups=3D3D
>y.com=3D
>>
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> >> In article <b872c4e4-43de-4a1f-bdc3-3fd85173f...@br5g2000vbb.google=
>gro=3D
>> >ups=3D3D
>hich =3D
>> >wrote
>> >> articles decades ago about the risks of blood transfusions. =3DA0Those=
> risk=3D
>> >s have
>> >> been greatly minimized since then. =3DA0There's nothing sinful about b=
>lood
>> >> transfusions. =3DA0At one time the JWs believed that inoculations were=
>lood
> sinf=3D
>> >ul but
>> >> they changed their mind. =3DA0The only reason they don't change their =
>opini=3D
>> >on about
>> >> blood transfusions are the lawsuits that it would generate. =3DA0Notic=
>e tha=3D
>> >t just
>> >> about every fraction of blood is acceptable now. =3DA0Why is that Gary=
>? =3DA0=3D
>> >And even
>? =3DA0=3D
>> >> now if a parent 'fights' a court order but loses, he is considered ven=
>era=3D
>t.=3D
>> >com
>>
>> >More news continues below, including a breaking story on methyl iodide
>> >(the deadly pesticide being used on strawberries grown in
>> >California)...
>>
>> Conpiracy whackos! Gotta love 'em for trying though.
>>
>> You just can't find enough conspiracy theories, can you, Gary?
>
>>
>> >More news continues below, including a breaking story on methyl iodide
>> >(the deadly pesticide being used on strawberries grown in
>> >California)...
>>
>> Conpiracy whackos! Gotta love 'em for trying though.
>>
>> You just can't find enough conspiracy theories, can you, Gary?
>
>Actually the most quoted and admired person on earth said there was a
>conspiracy by God's Adversary to rule the earth.
According to the Watchtower, that would be Satan. Satan, whether real or not,
>conspiracy by God's Adversary to rule the earth.
is one individual. One individual does not make a conspiracy. You do know what
a conspiracy is don't you, Gary Bergman? I don't believe Jesus used the word
'conspiracy,' Gary. Did you invent that or did you read it in the Watchtower?
Bob L. Head
Sep 17, 2011, 5:25:19 PM9/17/11
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On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 02:07:23 -0700, KabukiBob wrote:
> They claim that Jesus was not,
> as many Christians sincerely believe, God in the flesh and that his
> sacrifice on the Cross did indeed pay for all our sins.
Search Moe's Google profile:
> They claim that Jesus was not,
> as many Christians sincerely believe, God in the flesh and that his
> sacrifice on the Cross did indeed pay for all our sins.
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=aG7k3hEAAABkeDd0BupG...
for "907 moose".
Maureen is such an angel!
Bob L. Head
Sep 17, 2011, 5:25:42 PM9/17/11
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On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 02:13:48 -0700, KabukiBob wrote:
> He was the cause for the child's removal
> from the home.
> He was the cause for the child's removal
> from the home.
Bob L. Head
Sep 17, 2011, 5:28:39 PM9/17/11
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On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 07:51:18 -0700, KabukiBob wrote:
> He has a right to be bitter.
None of the anony posters are me, imbecile.
> He has a right to be bitter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr1ku07Eybo
Maureen ( Born Again Pagan ) stutters
WHY lie about stuttering or stammering, Moe?
http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/174409_1590888229_258656...
Annointed Remnant
Sep 17, 2011, 4:45:27 PM9/17/11
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In article <c76de64c-b259-4327...@p4g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
wgroom says...
>
>On Sep 17, 3:07=A0am, KabukiBob <fvrn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Watchtower!
wgroom says...
>
>On Sep 17, 3:07=A0am, KabukiBob <fvrn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 14, 3:14=A0pm, MadMonkey <MadMon...@monkeyismad.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't know what AR believes now
>> in terms of his personal religion
>> or no religion, but I do believe
>> that he realized the harm being a
>> JW was to him and others and got
>> out of the cult.
>
>Don't forget scriptures of many
>that have people leave because of
>their own devices and would
>justify it by labelling the morals
>laid out by God, Christ, and the
>apostles as being too much ______.
>In essence most people leave
>because of wanting to enjoy
>selfish-motivated behaviours and
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't know what AR believes now
>> in terms of his personal religion
>> or no religion, but I do believe
>> that he realized the harm being a
>> JW was to him and others and got
>> out of the cult.
>
>Don't forget scriptures of many
>that have people leave because of
>their own devices and would
>justify it by labelling the morals
>laid out by God, Christ, and the
>apostles as being too much ______.
>In essence most people leave
>because of wanting to enjoy
>that's why most hang out in these
>places.
What a pile of cult contrived bullshit straight from the pages of the
>places.
Watchtower!
Saba
Sep 17, 2011, 11:17:21 PM9/17/11
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"KabukiBob" <fvr...@yahoo.com> skrev i melding
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worship
of the Watchtower organisation. The rest of the people is going to
have no use of Christs sacrifice.
I don't know what AR believes now in terms of his personal religion
or no religion, but I do believe that he realized the harm being a JW
was to him and others and got out of the cult.
He has already been harmed by the WTS. His writing is manic and
obsessed about mystical knowledge and the doctrines of the society
is written all over it.
S
Saba
Sep 17, 2011, 11:19:04 PM9/17/11
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S
Saba
Sep 17, 2011, 11:25:09 PM9/17/11
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yapping all their phrases and lines so much that I wonder if you
have a mind of your own anymore (this is normal for JW's after
a while.) Most people don't leave because they want to sin. They
leave because they want to get out of the sins of the organisation,
and won't take part in its misery that it loads onto their members.
S
Saba
Sep 17, 2011, 11:25:58 PM9/17/11
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"Annointed Remnant" <Annointe...@newsguy.com> skrev i melding
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Well how could you not.
S
>
Saba
Sep 17, 2011, 11:37:59 PM9/17/11
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>> You just can't find enough conspiracy theories, can you, Gary?
>
> Contaminants in vaccines are not merely a conspiracy theory.
The wormhole goes incredibly deep on that one. MOney money money.
>
> Contaminants in vaccines are not merely a conspiracy theory.
Lives = worth 0. The WT corporations probably has stocks in this as well.
S
Saba
Sep 17, 2011, 11:44:06 PM9/17/11
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Satan is real and has a master plan to rule the earth through a terror
regime.
It is all lies and superficiality among people so that this whole agenda is
camoflaged. It is true evil lying beneath and it will raise against God and
that
is why God has to save the humans in the end, from this Satanic terror
regime.
Sounds wacked, but you have no idea. They're just testing out what to do
with all the constructed crisises they produce to gain control.
S
>
Annointed Remnant
Sep 17, 2011, 11:50:19 PM9/17/11
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In article <G7ednYXFh_O7_ujT...@posted.comnet>, Saba says...
Heh. I thought you had someone else in mind. (;
Saba
Sep 18, 2011, 1:11:01 AM9/18/11
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On Sep 11, 2:30 pm, "Verooo~" <veron...@frisurf.no> wrote:
> "wgroom" <wgr...@hotmail.com> skrev i
> meldingnews:0c0edb56-166a-4a41...@o26g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 9, 8:30 am, MadMonkey <MadMon...@monkeyismad.org> wrote:> B.B.
> Johnson wrote:
>
> > > "Annointed Remnant" <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> > >news:j4c33...@drn.newsguy.com...
> > >> This is an excellent article about cult mind control with specific
> > >> references to
> > >> Jehovah's Witnesses:
>
> Yep, typical disgruntled blabberings. She should have picked on
> Christ and the apostles as well. I wonder why she didn't go into
> every aspect of gov't, education, and anything organized? She could
> have come up with much more.
>
> People want to act like JW's because it's what the Bible requests and
> demands. It's tough when virtue is such an obstacle for whiners.
>
> wg
>
> -But they don't follow bible, not at all. It is all an image.
> They're mean as hell as soon as it fits the agenda (unchristian
> acts are common). They DF if you don't follow the leadership
> manmade rules, but if you do evil things and are greedy, alcoholic,
> materialistic (mentioned in the same verse as those whom should
> be df'd) they don't disfellowship. Massive problems with mean,
> greedy, evil, alcoholic, abusive etc. folks in the WT org, but
> you get kicked out for rightfully saying 1914 isn't correct, or
> taking a smoke or whatever rediculous reason. It goes on.
> They don't preach the Gospel, only savior through men.
>
> You don't see this, manipulated as you are by them.
>
> S
I would think if you didn't agree with their version of the kingdom or
the signs given by Jesus and the appointed times of the nation you
wouldn't have joined! Of course, no one is not going to bar the door
if you do seem to change one's mind, huh? People sometimes don't
realize that congregations should be perfect. Jesus prophesied and
exposed about behaviors in congregations in Rev. 2 and 3. So people
should not excuse themselves over behaviors, but they should still be
there to support Jesus and Jehovah for the ones that simply will not
be denied in trying to do the right thing and staying.
wg
-I practically was forced into it as a child, no christmas, no birthdays
the 9 yards. I was deeply indoctrinated to think I would die if I wasn't
a Jehovah witness by my mother. Yes I changed my mind, once I
matured and started learning and studying, I saw the wrong beliefs
and the wrongdoings of the org,and its only growing more crystal clear.
My morality is better, coming from within, like others who join I feel
lighthearted and charitable, with more room, space and time for
others, as well as energy to think and feel. So you don't know what
you're talking about, unless you try the other alternative first.
But you're pretty caught, everything you say is laced with JW babble.
S
On Sep 11, 2:30 pm, "Verooo~" <veron...@frisurf.no> wrote:
> "wgroom" <wgr...@hotmail.com> skrev i
> meldingnews:0c0edb56-166a-4a41...@o26g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 9, 8:30 am, MadMonkey <MadMon...@monkeyismad.org> wrote:> B.B.
> Johnson wrote:
>
> > > "Annointed Remnant" <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> > >news:j4c33...@drn.newsguy.com...
> > >> This is an excellent article about cult mind control with specific
> > >> references to
> > >> Jehovah's Witnesses:
>
> Yep, typical disgruntled blabberings. She should have picked on
> Christ and the apostles as well. I wonder why she didn't go into
> every aspect of gov't, education, and anything organized? She could
> have come up with much more.
>
> People want to act like JW's because it's what the Bible requests and
> demands. It's tough when virtue is such an obstacle for whiners.
>
> wg
>
> -But they don't follow bible, not at all. It is all an image.
> They're mean as hell as soon as it fits the agenda (unchristian
> acts are common). They DF if you don't follow the leadership
> manmade rules, but if you do evil things and are greedy, alcoholic,
> materialistic (mentioned in the same verse as those whom should
> be df'd) they don't disfellowship. Massive problems with mean,
> greedy, evil, alcoholic, abusive etc. folks in the WT org, but
> you get kicked out for rightfully saying 1914 isn't correct, or
> taking a smoke or whatever rediculous reason. It goes on.
> They don't preach the Gospel, only savior through men.
>
> You don't see this, manipulated as you are by them.
>
> S
I would think if you didn't agree with their version of the kingdom or
the signs given by Jesus and the appointed times of the nation you
wouldn't have joined! Of course, no one is not going to bar the door
if you do seem to change one's mind, huh? People sometimes don't
realize that congregations should be perfect. Jesus prophesied and
exposed about behaviors in congregations in Rev. 2 and 3. So people
should not excuse themselves over behaviors, but they should still be
there to support Jesus and Jehovah for the ones that simply will not
be denied in trying to do the right thing and staying.
wg
-I practically was forced into it as a child, no christmas, no birthdays
the 9 yards. I was deeply indoctrinated to think I would die if I wasn't
a Jehovah witness by my mother. Yes I changed my mind, once I
matured and started learning and studying, I saw the wrong beliefs
and the wrongdoings of the org,and its only growing more crystal clear.
My morality is better, coming from within, like others who join I feel
lighthearted and charitable, with more room, space and time for
others, as well as energy to think and feel. So you don't know what
you're talking about, unless you try the other alternative first.
But you're pretty caught, everything you say is laced with JW babble.
S
Saba
Sep 18, 2011, 1:18:32 AM9/18/11
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As long as he lies to those outside the WT org, it isn't lying but
theocratic
warfare. Yea right, like Jesus said lie to your enemies.
S
theocratic
warfare. Yea right, like Jesus said lie to your enemies.
S
Saba
Sep 18, 2011, 2:01:25 AM9/18/11
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> meldingnews:fe4a5f5c-58aa-42b4...@en1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 9, 3:55 pm, MadMonkey <MadMon...@monkeyismad.org> wrote:
>
> > >>> This is an excellent website. I hope JW lurkers here read it. It's
> > >>> an
> > >>> eye opener.
>
> > >> The only posting JW is currently on hiatus, no?
>
> > >> However I did look up the information and I found it suspect. The
> > >> article was written by Jan Groenveld. She was a JW for 15 years.
>
> > >> Have you ever read an article from an atheist where they say religion
> > >> is
> > >> a good thing. Your dishonesty is revealing Vance.
>
> > >> MM
>
> > --
> > =You don't want a Mad Monkey on your back=- Hide quoted text -
> won't be all the bad virtuosos but a lot of harmony and living like
> there has never been before. I Cor: 2:9
>
> Let me speak for your fooled little self: you wouldn't want to
> live in a Watchtower Society ruled new world order.
>
Really, with people that are actually annointed, that have this
penchant for not ever killing a soul, and would be happy taking
instructions on growing food and making perfect shelters to house
you? They might actually make a nice golf course or have a band of
instruments that you could enjoy too. And all those nagging medical
issues that plague mankind, might be a little more tolerable if they
weren't any death or diseases. I'll take the I Cor: 2;9 which is
associated with the new earth in Isa. 65 anytime over such a defiant
attitude.
-Never killing a soul, are you for real? The Governing body has
thousands of lives on their no blood rule, that would've been life saving
to those poor souls. Now they have a pick and choose list of what
fragments of blood you can give. Do you think you would stand there
and bother with a list if your kid lied there dying, in need of blood?
Do you think Jesus would approve of that list?
Living in the Watchtower paradise would mean detailed ruling
of everybody's daily lives, and neck shots if you don't comply.
I'd rather be dead, as that would be hell.
But yea, Jesus shall heal the world once people like the
watchtowerists are gone.
S
wg
> S
> wg- Hide quoted text -
> meldingnews:fe4a5f5c-58aa-42b4...@en1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 9, 3:55 pm, MadMonkey <MadMon...@monkeyismad.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > wgroom wrote:
> > > On Sep 9, 8:30 am, MadMonkey <MadMon...@monkeyismad.org> wrote:
> > >> B.B. Johnson wrote:
>
> > >>> "Annointed Remnant" <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> > >>>news:j4c33...@drn.newsguy.com...
> > >>>> This is an excellent article about cult mind control with specific
> > >>>> references to
> > >>>> Jehovah's Witnesses:
>
> > >>>>http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-totalism.html
>
>
>
>
> > wgroom wrote:
> > > On Sep 9, 8:30 am, MadMonkey <MadMon...@monkeyismad.org> wrote:
> > >> B.B. Johnson wrote:
>
> > >>> "Annointed Remnant" <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> > >>>news:j4c33...@drn.newsguy.com...
> > >>>> This is an excellent article about cult mind control with specific
> > >>>> references to
> > >>>> Jehovah's Witnesses:
>
>
> > >>> This is an excellent website. I hope JW lurkers here read it. It's
> > >>> an
> > >>> eye opener.
>
> > >> The only posting JW is currently on hiatus, no?
>
> > >> However I did look up the information and I found it suspect. The
> > >> article was written by Jan Groenveld. She was a JW for 15 years.
>
> > >> Have you ever read an article from an atheist where they say religion
> > >> is
> > >> a good thing. Your dishonesty is revealing Vance.
>
> > >> MM
>
> > >> --
> > >> =You don't want a Mad Monkey on your back=
>
> > >> --
> > >> =You don't want a Mad Monkey on your back=
>
> > > Yep, typical disgruntled blabberings. She should have picked on
> > > Christ and the apostles as well. I wonder why she didn't go into
> > > every aspect of gov't, education, and anything organized? She could
> > > have come up with much more.
>
> > > People want to act like JW's because it's what the Bible requests and
> > > demands. It's tough when virtue is such an obstacle for whiners.
>
> > > wg
>
> > Her hatred and that of AR is against JW's
> > > Christ and the apostles as well. I wonder why she didn't go into
> > > every aspect of gov't, education, and anything organized? She could
> > > have come up with much more.
>
> > > People want to act like JW's because it's what the Bible requests and
> > > demands. It's tough when virtue is such an obstacle for whiners.
>
> > > wg
>
>
> > --
> > =You don't want a Mad Monkey on your back=- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> It's all prophesied, good and well for the time being. One day there
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> won't be all the bad virtuosos but a lot of harmony and living like
> there has never been before. I Cor: 2:9
>
> Let me speak for your fooled little self: you wouldn't want to
> live in a Watchtower Society ruled new world order.
>
Really, with people that are actually annointed, that have this
penchant for not ever killing a soul, and would be happy taking
instructions on growing food and making perfect shelters to house
you? They might actually make a nice golf course or have a band of
instruments that you could enjoy too. And all those nagging medical
issues that plague mankind, might be a little more tolerable if they
weren't any death or diseases. I'll take the I Cor: 2;9 which is
associated with the new earth in Isa. 65 anytime over such a defiant
attitude.
-Never killing a soul, are you for real? The Governing body has
thousands of lives on their no blood rule, that would've been life saving
to those poor souls. Now they have a pick and choose list of what
fragments of blood you can give. Do you think you would stand there
and bother with a list if your kid lied there dying, in need of blood?
Do you think Jesus would approve of that list?
Living in the Watchtower paradise would mean detailed ruling
of everybody's daily lives, and neck shots if you don't comply.
I'd rather be dead, as that would be hell.
But yea, Jesus shall heal the world once people like the
watchtowerists are gone.
S
wg
> S
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Annointed Remnant
Sep 18, 2011, 8:54:46 AM9/18/11
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In article <K-qdnUMPloq74ujT...@posted.comnet>, Saba says...
>>>> >> There is no conspiracy, Gary. You are relying on the Watchtower
>>>> >> minimized since then. There's
>>>> >> nothing sinful about blood
>>>> >> transfusions. At one time the
>>>> >> JWs believed that inoculations
>>>> >> were sinful but they changed
>>>> >> their mind. The only reason
He has gone beyond lying for the org. He is unhappy about his lot in life so he
lies about who he is. He has claimed that he was a war hero. He has claimed
that he was a recording artist. He has claimed that he was a famous author. If
he was truly happy about being a Jehovah's Witness, he wouldn't be wishing he
was someone else.
>>>> >> w=
>>>hich =3D
>>>> >wrote
>>>> >> articles decades ago about
>>>> >> the risks of blood transfusions.
>>>> >> Those risks have been greatly
>>>hich =3D
>>>> >wrote
>>>> >> articles decades ago about
>>>> >> the risks of blood transfusions.
>>>> >> minimized since then. There's
>>>> >> nothing sinful about blood
>>>> >> transfusions. At one time the
>>>> >> JWs believed that inoculations
>>>> >> were sinful but they changed
>>>> >> their mind. The only reason
>>>> >> they don't change their
>>>> >> opinion about blood
>>>> >> transfusions are the lawsuits
>>>> >> that it would generate.
>>>> >> Notice that just about every
>>>> >> that it would generate.
>>>> > fraction of blood is acceptable
>>>> >> now. Why is that Gary? And even
>>>> >> now if a parent 'fights' a court
>>>> >> order but loses, he is
>>>> >> considered venerated.
>>>> >> order but loses, he is
lies about who he is. He has claimed that he was a war hero. He has claimed
that he was a recording artist. He has claimed that he was a famous author. If
he was truly happy about being a Jehovah's Witness, he wouldn't be wishing he
was someone else.
Ips-Switch
Sep 18, 2011, 11:07:46 AM9/18/11
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> "wgroom" <wgr...@hotmail.com> skrev i melding
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> "wgroom" <wgr...@hotmail.com> skrev i melding
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> Really, with people that are actually annointed, that have this
> penchant for not ever killing a soul, and would be happy taking
> instructions on growing food and making perfect shelters to house
> you? They might actually make a nice golf course or have a band of
> instruments that you could enjoy too. And all those nagging medical
> issues that plague mankind, might be a little more tolerable if they
> weren't any death or diseases. I'll take the I Cor: 2;9 which is
> associated with the new earth in Isa. 65 anytime over such a defiant
> attitude.
~~~~~~~~~~
> penchant for not ever killing a soul, and would be happy taking
> instructions on growing food and making perfect shelters to house
> you? They might actually make a nice golf course or have a band of
> instruments that you could enjoy too. And all those nagging medical
> issues that plague mankind, might be a little more tolerable if they
> weren't any death or diseases. I'll take the I Cor: 2;9 which is
> associated with the new earth in Isa. 65 anytime over such a defiant
> attitude.
> -Never killing a soul, are you for real? The Governing body has
> thousands of lives on their no blood rule, that would've been life saving
> to those poor souls. Now they have a pick and choose list of what
> fragments of blood you can give. Do you think you would stand there
> and bother with a list if your kid lied there dying, in need of blood?
> Do you think Jesus would approve of that list?
He would let his child die and feel all self righteous about it. They same
> thousands of lives on their no blood rule, that would've been life saving
> to those poor souls. Now they have a pick and choose list of what
> fragments of blood you can give. Do you think you would stand there
> and bother with a list if your kid lied there dying, in need of blood?
> Do you think Jesus would approve of that list?
puffed up pride they feel when they disown a family member for rejecting the
WTS Org. Notice they don't call themselves a religion. They call themselves
an Org. They're an Org of book and magazine purveyors that are forced to
labor without any form of compensation. The WTS doesn't even provide some
kind of Ins in case they're attacked by a dog or irate person at their door.
>
> Living in the Watchtower paradise would mean detailed ruling
> of everybody's daily lives, and neck shots if you don't comply.
> I'd rather be dead, as that would be hell.
time, the WTS wont be ruling anything.
>
> But yea, Jesus shall heal the world once people like the
> watchtowerists are gone.
>
> S
Speaking at 'Bible Students' convention in Winnipeg, Manitoba in the early
1920's, Rutherford (Jehovah's Witness) described a Jew as 'the hooked-nosed,
stooped-shouldered little individual who stands on the street corner trying
to
gyp you out of every nickel you've got.'"
AVOID THIS CULT LIKE THE PLAGUE!
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B.B. Johnson
Sep 18, 2011, 11:10:47 AM9/18/11
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NGs. They sin and hide it just like the elders hid the pedophiles and wife
beaters.
> -I can tell you're going to all the JW meetings, you are a parrot
> yapping all their phrases and lines so much that I wonder if you
> have a mind of your own anymore (this is normal for JW's after
> a while.) Most people don't leave because they want to sin. They
> leave because they want to get out of the sins of the organisation,
> and won't take part in its misery that it loads onto their members.
>
> S
They don't have to leave the Org to sin as we've seen right here on these
> yapping all their phrases and lines so much that I wonder if you
> have a mind of your own anymore (this is normal for JW's after
> a while.) Most people don't leave because they want to sin. They
> leave because they want to get out of the sins of the organisation,
> and won't take part in its misery that it loads onto their members.
>
> S
NGs. They sin and hide it just like the elders hid the pedophiles and wife
beaters.
B.B. Johnson
Sep 18, 2011, 11:12:52 AM9/18/11
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the Org.
>
> "KabukiBob" <fvr...@yahoo.com> skrev i melding
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> "KabukiBob" <fvr...@yahoo.com> skrev i melding
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>
> I don't know what AR believes now in terms of his personal religion
> or no religion, but I do believe that he realized the harm being a JW
> was to him and others and got out of the cult.
>
> -He is in no shape to determine what is harming him or anybody else.
> He has already been harmed by the WTS. His writing is manic and
> obsessed about mystical knowledge and the doctrines of the society
> is written all over it.
>
> S
I think you're confusing AR with someone else. AR saw the light and left
> or no religion, but I do believe that he realized the harm being a JW
> was to him and others and got out of the cult.
>
> -He is in no shape to determine what is harming him or anybody else.
> He has already been harmed by the WTS. His writing is manic and
> obsessed about mystical knowledge and the doctrines of the society
> is written all over it.
>
> S
the Org.
Ips-Switch
Sep 18, 2011, 11:16:56 AM9/18/11
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He's lost all other interests in his life. All he does is dwell every
waking hour on Armageddon and getting that young beautiful wife to have sex
with.
--
A good read about Camping and his false predictions.
http://www.eaec.org/bibleanswers/Harold-
Camping-A-Man-With-No-Shame.htm
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ }(((o>
>
> I am talking about Obves..
>
> S
I've been watching OBVES slowly sink into a form of insanity for years.
> I am talking about Obves..
>
> S
He's lost all other interests in his life. All he does is dwell every
waking hour on Armageddon and getting that young beautiful wife to have sex
with.
--
A good read about Camping and his false predictions.
http://www.eaec.org/bibleanswers/Harold-
Camping-A-Man-With-No-Shame.htm
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ }(((o>
Saba
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he couldn't stay in forever. They never do.
S
>
Greegor
Sep 18, 2011, 2:10:50 PM9/18/11
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On Sep 18, 7:54 am, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
wrote:
> In article <K-qdnUMPloq74ujTnZ2dnUVZ_hadn...@posted.comnet>, Saba says...
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> >"Annointed Remnant" <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com> skrev i melding
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> >> In article
> >> <f0cc4aae-7f84-4832-8314-03d16dc9f...@1g2000vbu.googlegroups.com>,
Let me get this straight.
AR refuses to be honest and confirm his own new
religion but keeps accusing opponents of dishonesty.
AR slaps at someone else about being unhappy JW's,
yet AR was in JW for THIRTY YEARS and left disgruntled.
AR accuses opponents of not being truly happy
with their JW faith, but AR won't even confirm
his current religion.
As for them wishing they were someone else,
again, AR's THIRTY YEARS in JW and his
falling out implies that he was
"wishing he was someone else".
AR was in JW's for THIRTY YEARS which
supposedly means that he would have advanced
to being an ELDER. Was AR an Elder?
If not, then why not?
What is your exact denomination now, AR?
Your name implies you are in an ARIM church.
http://remnantinternationalministries.com/biography.html
http://gatesofdominion.org/home/about-us/our-pastors
wrote:
> In article <K-qdnUMPloq74ujTnZ2dnUVZ_hadn...@posted.comnet>, Saba says...
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> >"Annointed Remnant" <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com> skrev i melding
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> >> In article
> >> <f0cc4aae-7f84-4832-8314-03d16dc9f...@1g2000vbu.googlegroups.com>,
AR refuses to be honest and confirm his own new
religion but keeps accusing opponents of dishonesty.
AR slaps at someone else about being unhappy JW's,
yet AR was in JW for THIRTY YEARS and left disgruntled.
AR accuses opponents of not being truly happy
with their JW faith, but AR won't even confirm
his current religion.
As for them wishing they were someone else,
again, AR's THIRTY YEARS in JW and his
falling out implies that he was
"wishing he was someone else".
AR was in JW's for THIRTY YEARS which
supposedly means that he would have advanced
to being an ELDER. Was AR an Elder?
If not, then why not?
What is your exact denomination now, AR?
Your name implies you are in an ARIM church.
http://remnantinternationalministries.com/biography.html
http://gatesofdominion.org/home/about-us/our-pastors
Saba
Sep 20, 2011, 12:33:41 AM9/20/11
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-It's a private matter what people believe, no groping
JW's needed thanks.
AR slaps at someone else about being unhappy JW's,
yet AR was in JW for THIRTY YEARS and left disgruntled.
-That's why nobody should be in contact with the JW's
their brainwash makes it hard to get out ones you discover
its a pack of lies.
AR accuses opponents of not being truly happy
with their JW faith, but AR won't even confirm
his current religion.
-It's non of your fucking business what he believes.
As for them wishing they were someone else,
again, AR's THIRTY YEARS in JW and his
falling out implies that he was
"wishing he was someone else".
AR was in JW's for THIRTY YEARS which
supposedly means that he would have advanced
to being an ELDER. Was AR an Elder?
-What if he was, what's it to you? Elders are brainwashed
too. You have no understanding for people caught up
in your cult, needless to say. Like indoctrination doesn't apply
to your sorry asses. Keep obsessing with AR,
you kooks can't live another day without sensationalist
thinking.
S
JW's needed thanks.
AR slaps at someone else about being unhappy JW's,
yet AR was in JW for THIRTY YEARS and left disgruntled.
their brainwash makes it hard to get out ones you discover
its a pack of lies.
AR accuses opponents of not being truly happy
with their JW faith, but AR won't even confirm
his current religion.
As for them wishing they were someone else,
again, AR's THIRTY YEARS in JW and his
falling out implies that he was
"wishing he was someone else".
AR was in JW's for THIRTY YEARS which
supposedly means that he would have advanced
to being an ELDER. Was AR an Elder?
too. You have no understanding for people caught up
in your cult, needless to say. Like indoctrination doesn't apply
to your sorry asses. Keep obsessing with AR,
you kooks can't live another day without sensationalist
thinking.
S
Ips-Switch
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condition or disease called Asperger's Syndrome. No use you trying to
reason with him. It's like trying to reason with someone who is drunk or on
illegal drugs or like a frustrated angry ignored troll. As you can see no
one can reason with him and he attacks strangers for attention.
Remember the young man Antonio/Jabriol encouraged to commit suicide as being
found "unfit" to live? The young man did commit suicide after Antonio's
goading. His name was Chris Dubose. Chris also suffered from Asperger's
Syndrome. But Chris was very nice and not a troll that attacked people and
libeled them online. Not all those with this disease are filled with hate
and anger toward others.
>
> "Greegor" <gree...@gmail.com> skrev i melding
> news:72a562ba-d9c4-4ca6...@s20g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
>
> "Greegor" <gree...@gmail.com> skrev i melding
> news:72a562ba-d9c4-4ca6...@s20g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
>
> AR was in JW's for THIRTY YEARS which
> supposedly means that he would have advanced
> to being an ELDER. Was AR an Elder?
>
> -What if he was, what's it to you? Elders are brainwashed
> too. You have no understanding for people caught up
> in your cult, needless to say. Like indoctrination doesn't apply
> to your sorry asses. Keep obsessing with AR,
> you kooks can't live another day without sensationalist
> thinking.
>
> S
Hi Saba, it's well known on these groups that Greeger suffers from a mental
> supposedly means that he would have advanced
> to being an ELDER. Was AR an Elder?
>
> -What if he was, what's it to you? Elders are brainwashed
> too. You have no understanding for people caught up
> in your cult, needless to say. Like indoctrination doesn't apply
> to your sorry asses. Keep obsessing with AR,
> you kooks can't live another day without sensationalist
> thinking.
>
> S
condition or disease called Asperger's Syndrome. No use you trying to
reason with him. It's like trying to reason with someone who is drunk or on
illegal drugs or like a frustrated angry ignored troll. As you can see no
one can reason with him and he attacks strangers for attention.
Remember the young man Antonio/Jabriol encouraged to commit suicide as being
found "unfit" to live? The young man did commit suicide after Antonio's
goading. His name was Chris Dubose. Chris also suffered from Asperger's
Syndrome. But Chris was very nice and not a troll that attacked people and
libeled them online. Not all those with this disease are filled with hate
and anger toward others.
wgroom
Sep 20, 2011, 11:34:00 AM9/20/11
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On Sep 17, 1:50 pm, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
wrote:
> In article <f0cc4aae-7f84-4832-8314-03d16dc9f...@1g2000vbu.googlegroups.com>,
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bonafide Bible student, and are more of a curmudgeon. Here's some
more on forced vaccinations that you can't 'originate' into
Watchtowerism.
http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2011/09/18/california-passes-bill-allowing-12-year-old-children-to-be-vaccinated-without-parental-knowledge-or-consent/
wg
wrote:
> In article <f0cc4aae-7f84-4832-8314-03d16dc9f...@1g2000vbu.googlegroups.com>,
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I just stick to Bible issues. Sorry you can't be relegated as a
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bonafide Bible student, and are more of a curmudgeon. Here's some
more on forced vaccinations that you can't 'originate' into
Watchtowerism.
http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2011/09/18/california-passes-bill-allowing-12-year-old-children-to-be-vaccinated-without-parental-knowledge-or-consent/
wg
wgroom
Sep 20, 2011, 11:35:02 AM9/20/11
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wrote:
> In article <2c40e63e-77af-4c1e-b6bb-20e1e94ef...@17g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>,> 'conspiracy,' Gary. Did you invent that or did you read it in the Watchtower?- Hide quoted text -
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> In article <2c40e63e-77af-4c1e-b6bb-20e1e94ef...@17g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>,
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Yes one person can originate a conspiracy, as Satan was the first and
got many angels in heaven and people on earth to follow in his
conspiracy to defame God and take over earth's rulership.
wg
wgroom
Sep 20, 2011, 11:36:48 AM9/20/11
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anything, which is what you seem to do, just fly off the handle
without any substance.
wg
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Oh, I quite have had my own mind for quite awhile. And you can't tell
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anything, which is what you seem to do, just fly off the handle
without any substance.
wg
wgroom
Sep 20, 2011, 11:39:14 AM9/20/11
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It sounds like you are thinking that not partaking of birthdays and
christmas was detrimental in your upbringing. I can only be amused at
the selfishness, where if one isn't having a good time, that the earth
is all right, and that religion would be allright. I think having
God's view would be the decision-maker, and not your 'little world'
wg
Greegor
Sep 20, 2011, 12:57:10 PM9/20/11
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G > Let me get this straight.
G >
G > AR refuses to be honest and confirm his own new
G > religion but keeps accusing opponents of dishonesty.
Saba > -It's a private matter what people believe,
Saba > no groping JW's needed thanks.
I am neither a groper nor a JW.
Carol's FIFTEEN YEAR hate campaign
and Anointed Remnant's preaching HATE
for part of the last 4 years made their
religion less than private.
If you're going to publicly slam one religion by
calling it a CULT, you'll have to define that word
better and explain your actual experience that
started you on this cathartic hate campaign.
Your resistance to questions is very revealing.
G > AR slaps at someone else about being unhappy JW's,
G > yet AR was in JW for THIRTY YEARS and left disgruntled.
Saba > -That's why nobody should be in contact with the JW's
Saba > their brainwash makes it hard to get out
Saba > ones [ once? ] you discover its a pack of lies.
G > AR accuses opponents of not being truly happy
G > with their JW faith, but AR won't even confirm
G > his current religion.
Saba > -It's non of your fucking business what he believes.
AR made it EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS what
he believes once he joined Carol's FIFTEEN YEAR
hate campaign and began to preach HATE of JW's.
G > As for them wishing they were someone else,
G > again, AR's THIRTY YEARS in JW and his
G > falling out implies that he was
G > "wishing he was someone else".
G >
G > AR was in JW's for THIRTY YEARS which
G > supposedly means that he would have advanced
G > to being an ELDER. Was AR an Elder?
Saba > -What if he was, what's it to you?
Considering ALL of AR's other boasts and claims,
it's odd that he never mentioned having been an Elder.
Saba > Elders are brainwashed too. You have
Saba > no understanding for people caught
Saba > up in your cult,
I'm not JW and I'm waiting for you to explain
how YOUR belief is somehow NOT a cult.
How is one a cult and the other not?
Totally fair questions to ask somebody of
one denomination who is active in a hate
campaign against another denomination
and accusing "those guys" of being a CULT.
Saba > needless to say. Like indoctrination
Saba > doesn't apply to your sorry asses.
Saba > Keep obsessing with AR,
Sometime in the last 4 years
Anointed Remnant ( misspelled ) joined Carol's
FIFTEEN YEAR ONLINE HATE CAMPAIGN
against JW's.
Who is ranting and raving?
The hate campaigners or the few who
ask easy obvious qualifier questions of
the hate campaigners?
Saba > you kooks can't live another day
Saba > without sensationalist thinking.
Is it sensational to ask hate campaigners
Carol and AR some qualifier questions?
Is it sensational to ask Carol and AR to
explain what REALLY drove them out
of the JW's?
It's readily apparent they are acting out
some serious CATHARSIS, but while
attacking JW's they are concealing their
true agenda.
Carol has been at this single minded
hate campaign for FIFTEEN YEARS!
MadMonkey
Sep 20, 2011, 3:52:14 PM9/20/11
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Ips-Switch wrote:
>
> "Saba" <vero...@frisurf.no> wrote in message
> news:5OydnbOK5eU_iuXT...@posted.comnet...
>>
>> "Greegor" <gree...@gmail.com> skrev i melding
>> news:72a562ba-d9c4-4ca6...@s20g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> AR was in JW's for THIRTY YEARS which
>> supposedly means that he would have advanced
>> to being an ELDER. Was AR an Elder?
>>
>> -What if he was, what's it to you? Elders are brainwashed
>> too. You have no understanding for people caught up
>> in your cult, needless to say. Like indoctrination doesn't apply
>> to your sorry asses. Keep obsessing with AR,
>> you kooks can't live another day without sensationalist
>> thinking.
>>
>> S
>
Written by people who were obsessed with Jabriol LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> "Saba" <vero...@frisurf.no> wrote in message
> news:5OydnbOK5eU_iuXT...@posted.comnet...
>>
>> "Greegor" <gree...@gmail.com> skrev i melding
>> news:72a562ba-d9c4-4ca6...@s20g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> AR was in JW's for THIRTY YEARS which
>> supposedly means that he would have advanced
>> to being an ELDER. Was AR an Elder?
>>
>> -What if he was, what's it to you? Elders are brainwashed
>> too. You have no understanding for people caught up
>> in your cult, needless to say. Like indoctrination doesn't apply
>> to your sorry asses. Keep obsessing with AR,
>> you kooks can't live another day without sensationalist
>> thinking.
>>
>> S
>
> Hi Saba, it's well known on these groups that Greeger suffers from a
> mental condition or disease called Asperger's Syndrome. No use you
> trying to reason with him. It's like trying to reason with someone who
> is drunk or on illegal drugs or like a frustrated angry ignored troll.
> As you can see no one can reason with him and he attacks strangers for
> attention.
>
strangers,
Annointed Remnant
Sep 21, 2011, 5:25:44 AM9/21/11
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In article <8b60fe6f-be7d-4dc1...@z7g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
wgroom says...
>
>On Sep 17, 1:50=A0pm, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
>wrote:
>> In article <f0cc4aae-7f84-4832-8314-03d16dc9f...@1g2000vbu.googlegroups.c=
>om>,
>> wgroom says...
>>
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>>
>>
>> >On Sep 16, 12:46=3DA0pm, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com=
>>
>> >wrote:
>> >> In article <5e877294-282c-4090-a967-0b58f848e...@h7g2000yqm.googlegrou=
>ps.=3D
>> >com>,
>> >> wgroom says...
>>
>> >> >On Sep 16, 5:47=3D3DA0am, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy=
>.com>
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> >> In article <65f5d297-3943-4d8a-b35b-6dbe45571...@o15g2000vbe.google=
>ewsgu=3D
>> >y.com=3D3D
>>
>> >> >> >wrote:
>> >> >> >> In article <b872c4e4-43de-4a1f-bdc3-3fd85173f...@br5g2000vbb.goo=
>gle=3D
>> >gro=3D3D
>> >> >ups=3D3D3D
>> >> >> There is no conspiracy, Gary. =3D3DA0You are relying on the Watchto=
>wer w=3D
>> >hich =3D3D
>> >> >wrote
>> >> >> articles decades ago about the risks of blood transfusions. =3D3DA0=
>Those=3D
>> > risk=3D3D
>> >> >s have
>> >> >> been greatly minimized since then. =3D3DA0There's nothing sinful ab=
>out b=3D
>> >lood
>> >> >> transfusions. =3D3DA0At one time the JWs believed that inoculations=
> were=3D
>> > sinf=3D3D
>> >> >ul but
>> >> >> they changed their mind. =3D3DA0The only reason they don't change t=
>heir =3D
>> >opini=3D3D
>> >> >on about
>> >> >> blood transfusions are the lawsuits that it would generate. =3D3DA0=
>Notic=3D
>> >e tha=3D3D
>> >> >t just
>> >> >> about every fraction of blood is acceptable now. =3D3DA0Why is that=
> Gary=3D
>> >? =3D3DA0=3D3D
>> >> >And even
>> >> >> now if a parent 'fights' a court order but loses, he is considered =
>ven=3D
>> >era=3D3D
>> >> >rmal
>> >> >> parents love their children and will do their utmost to protect the=
>m. =3D
>> >=3D3DA0=3D3D
>> >> >You, on
>> >> >> the other hand, would watch your child die because you believe in a=
> cu=3D
>> >lt'=3D3D
>> >> >s
>> >> >> nonsense.
>>
>> >> >> >Well, this about sums it up. =3D3DA0I guess
>t. =3D
>> >=3D3DA0The =3D3D
>> >> >cult
>> >> >> leaders tell you what you can and can not do, and you cannot questi=
>on =3D
>> >the=3D3D
> Gary=3D
>> >? =3DA0You
>> >> not only said you were in Vietnam but that you were the character behi=
>nd =3D
>> >Forrest
>> >> Gump. =3DA0In fact you said you told your story to Winston Groom, who =
>wrote=3D
>> > the
>> >> book, "Forrest Gump." =3DA0And then you went on to say you wrote the b=
>ook,
>> >> "Gumpisms." =3DA0That's why you use the nym, wgroom.
>>
>> >> Actually, Gary, you are a liar. =3DA0After your wife dumped you, you l=
>ived =3D
>> >with her
>> >> father awhile and now you live alone and penniless in an old boarding =
>hou=3D
>> >se in
>> >> upstate New York. =3DA0You used post on webtv, then you went to the li=
>brary=3D
>> > in
>> >> Corning NY, while now you use the computer for the boarding house gues=
>ts.
>>
>> >> All you have left in this world in your delusions of grandeur, conspir=
>acy
>> >> theories, and your cult. =3DA0Do your elders know what you are doing o=
>>
>> Your masters is the collective governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses. =A0=
>If they
>> say not to cast pearls, then, by God, you will not cast pearls. =A0You wi=
>ll not
>> think or reason outside the Watchtower. =A0You know that, so whatever you=
according to the Bible, so why did you tell all those lies? Is it because you
are unhappy being a Jehovah's Witness and you would rather be someone rich and
famous? Or are you just an habitual liar?
>Here's some more on forced vaccinations
>that you can't 'originate' into
>Watchtowerism.
>
>http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2011/09/18/california-passes-bill-allowing-1=
>2-year-old-children-to-be-vaccinated-without-parental-knowledge-or-consent/
What I see is a State government trying to protect the lives of our precious
young ones. What do you see, Gary? Do you see a conspiracy? You see a lot of
conspiracies, don't you, Gary? If you spent more time reading your Watchtower
you wouldn't be so involved in goofy conspiracies.
wgroom says...
>
>On Sep 17, 1:50=A0pm, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
>wrote:
>> In article <f0cc4aae-7f84-4832-8314-03d16dc9f...@1g2000vbu.googlegroups.c=
>om>,
>> wgroom says...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Sep 16, 12:46=3DA0pm, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com=
>>
>> >wrote:
>> >> In article <5e877294-282c-4090-a967-0b58f848e...@h7g2000yqm.googlegrou=
>ps.=3D
>> >com>,
>> >> wgroom says...
>>
>> >> >On Sep 16, 5:47=3D3DA0am, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy=
>.com>
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> >> In article <65f5d297-3943-4d8a-b35b-6dbe45571...@o15g2000vbe.google=
>gro=3D
>> >ups=3D3D
>> >> >.com>,
>> >> >> wgroom says...
>>
>> >> >> >On Sep 13, 10:29=3D3D3DA0pm, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@n=
>> >ups=3D3D
>> >> >.com>,
>> >> >> wgroom says...
>>
>ewsgu=3D
>> >y.com=3D3D
>>
>> >> >> >wrote:
>> >> >> >> In article <b872c4e4-43de-4a1f-bdc3-3fd85173f...@br5g2000vbb.goo=
>gle=3D
>> >gro=3D3D
>> >> >ups=3D3D3D
>wer w=3D
>> >hich =3D3D
>> >> >wrote
>> >> >> articles decades ago about the risks of blood transfusions. =3D3DA0=
>Those=3D
>> > risk=3D3D
>> >> >s have
>> >> >> been greatly minimized since then. =3D3DA0There's nothing sinful ab=
>out b=3D
>> >lood
>> >> >> transfusions. =3D3DA0At one time the JWs believed that inoculations=
> were=3D
>> > sinf=3D3D
>> >> >ul but
>> >> >> they changed their mind. =3D3DA0The only reason they don't change t=
>heir =3D
>> >opini=3D3D
>> >> >on about
>> >> >> blood transfusions are the lawsuits that it would generate. =3D3DA0=
>Notic=3D
>> >e tha=3D3D
>> >> >t just
>> >> >> about every fraction of blood is acceptable now. =3D3DA0Why is that=
> Gary=3D
>> >? =3D3DA0=3D3D
>> >> >And even
>> >> >> now if a parent 'fights' a court order but loses, he is considered =
>ven=3D
>> >era=3D3D
>> >> >ted.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Explain that to a grieving mother.
>>
>> >> >> >> >People die from all sorts of issues.
>> >> >> >> >It's not above explaining over
>> >> >> >> >anything else. =3D3DA0How does one explain
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Explain that to a grieving mother.
>>
>> >> >> >> >People die from all sorts of issues.
>> >> >> >> >It's not above explaining over
>> >> >> >> >that the blood didn't take and
>> >> >> >> >was the cause of death to a grieving
>> >> >> >> >mother?
>>
>> >> >> No one but a brainwashed cult member would think like you do, Gary.=
> =3D
>> >=3D3DA0No=3D3D
>> >> >> >> >was the cause of death to a grieving
>> >> >> >> >mother?
>>
>> >> >> No one but a brainwashed cult member would think like you do, Gary.=
> =3D
>> >> >rmal
>> >> >> parents love their children and will do their utmost to protect the=
>m. =3D
>> >=3D3DA0=3D3D
>> >> >You, on
>> >> >> the other hand, would watch your child die because you believe in a=
> cu=3D
>> >lt'=3D3D
>> >> >s
>> >> >> nonsense.
>>
>> >> >> >Well, this about sums it up. =3D3DA0I guess
>> >> >> >this God wasn't good enough for you,
>> >> >> >therefore you must have found another
>> >> >> >god or something else.
>>
>> >> >> You are not worshiping a God, Gary. =3D3DA0You are worshiping a cul=
>> >> >> >therefore you must have found another
>> >> >> >god or something else.
>>
>t. =3D
>> >=3D3DA0The =3D3D
>> >> >cult
>> >> >> leaders tell you what you can and can not do, and you cannot questi=
>on =3D
>> >the=3D3D
>> >> >m.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >> >No, they are Christ's brothers who are anointed by the true God, the
>> >> >same one that anointed the Christ. =3DA0They don't blaspheme and use =
>>
>> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >> >No, they are Christ's brothers who are anointed by the true God, the
>that
>> >> >position to make mockery of it by using a disgusting named nic.
>>
>> >> >I never question the true God, Jehovah, who Christ describes as "his
>> >> >God", and what he has made me personally experience.
>>
>> >> What did you personally experience, Gary? =3DA0Was it the Vietnam War,=
>> >> >position to make mockery of it by using a disgusting named nic.
>>
>> >> >I never question the true God, Jehovah, who Christ describes as "his
>> >> >God", and what he has made me personally experience.
>>
> Gary=3D
>> >? =3DA0You
>> >> not only said you were in Vietnam but that you were the character behi=
>nd =3D
>> >Forrest
>> >> Gump. =3DA0In fact you said you told your story to Winston Groom, who =
>wrote=3D
>> > the
>> >> book, "Forrest Gump." =3DA0And then you went on to say you wrote the b=
>ook,
>> >> "Gumpisms." =3DA0That's why you use the nym, wgroom.
>>
>> >> Actually, Gary, you are a liar. =3DA0After your wife dumped you, you l=
>ived =3D
>> >with her
>> >> father awhile and now you live alone and penniless in an old boarding =
>hou=3D
>> >se in
>> >> upstate New York. =3DA0You used post on webtv, then you went to the li=
>brary=3D
>> > in
>> >> Corning NY, while now you use the computer for the boarding house gues=
>ts.
>>
>> >> All you have left in this world in your delusions of grandeur, conspir=
>acy
>> >> theories, and your cult. =3DA0Do your elders know what you are doing o=
>n the
>> >> computer, Gary?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >I am sorry, I would have much more to divulge if the Master said not
>> >to cast one's pearls before swine. =A0
>> >> computer, Gary?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >I am sorry, I would have much more to divulge if the Master said not
>>
>> Your masters is the collective governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses. =A0=
>If they
>> say not to cast pearls, then, by God, you will not cast pearls. =A0You wi=
>ll not
>> think or reason outside the Watchtower. =A0You know that, so whatever you=
> do,
>> don't cast your pearls.
>>
>> >Still waiting on your 'new god'
>> >theory now.
>>
>> What 'new god' theory? Trying to
>> start another conspiracy, Gary?
>> Why don't you start addressing
>> your lies about being a famous
>> author and being a Vietnam vet?
>> You know how Jehovah hates liars,
>> don't you, Gary? Did you confess
>> to the elders that you are an
>> habitual liar?
>
>> don't cast your pearls.
>>
>> >Still waiting on your 'new god'
>> >theory now.
>>
>> What 'new god' theory? Trying to
>> start another conspiracy, Gary?
>> Why don't you start addressing
>> your lies about being a famous
>> author and being a Vietnam vet?
>> You know how Jehovah hates liars,
>> don't you, Gary? Did you confess
>> to the elders that you are an
>> habitual liar?
>
>I just stick to Bible issues. Sorry
>you can't be relegated as a bonafide
>Bible student, and are more of a
>curmudgeon.
Lying is a Bible issue, Gary Bergman. Liars do not inherit God's Kingdom
>you can't be relegated as a bonafide
>Bible student, and are more of a
>curmudgeon.
according to the Bible, so why did you tell all those lies? Is it because you
are unhappy being a Jehovah's Witness and you would rather be someone rich and
famous? Or are you just an habitual liar?
>Here's some more on forced vaccinations
>that you can't 'originate' into
>Watchtowerism.
>
>2-year-old-children-to-be-vaccinated-without-parental-knowledge-or-consent/
What I see is a State government trying to protect the lives of our precious
young ones. What do you see, Gary? Do you see a conspiracy? You see a lot of
conspiracies, don't you, Gary? If you spent more time reading your Watchtower
you wouldn't be so involved in goofy conspiracies.
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