33-S and the D.D. Battlemover
Alemann
skills of piloting Orca IV and the D.D., knowledge of motorcycle
riding, and the knock-out optical devices show otherwise. My theory is
that each 33-S's primary function wasn't sexual service but piloting a
D.D. Battlemover. With each D.D. shipped to communists, there was a 33-
S ready for piloting.
Another hint, next to Sylvie's behavior, is Sylia's mentioning how the
33-S series is easy synchronous with battlemovers when they have C-
series parts in them. One such C-series part is the knock-out optical
device Sylvie used on Flint. That's why she easily synchronized with
D.D. I've read on fan pages that those eyes are used for sexual
stimulating humans, but it was never given from which source they
acquired that information.
Alemann
Dartz
Source was the BGC-RPG sourcebook.
Dunno... C-series could refer to Mason's boomer-women. They could
share basic parts with the 33-S, being essentially the same thing,
only with added weapons and armour. Like different car models by the
same manufacturer, some parts would probably be pretty
interchangeable, they might even share the same basic AI, with the
same synchronisation parts embedded, originally designed to allow
those Boomer women to sync with machinery. 33-S might even be the
pretty, shiny vain Hummer H1 to the full blown Humvee that is the 33-
C's from Born to Kill.
-Dartz
Alemann
> Source was the BGC-RPG sourcebook.
The RPG sourcebook is a combination of the B-club pictures,
translation, and authors' speculations. Take it with a grain of salt.
> Dunno... C-series could refer to Mason's boomer-women.
Mason's boomer female bodyguards are not 33-C. It's something fans
added. They have no model designation because they're custom made for
Mason at GPCC and not for the assembly line. The only C-class boomers
we see is 55-C, and they're both massively built and made for battle.
Also, I see no connection between the number 33 and gender. Just
because all the 33-S we see are female, it doesn't follow the 33
refers to gender. If I had to speculate, the letter stands for
cyberdroid class and the ascending cardinals for various versions,
each newer and more advanced.
> They could share basic parts with the 33-S, being essentially the same thing,
> only with added weapons and armour. Like different car models by the
> same manufacturer, some parts would probably be pretty
> interchangeable, they might even share the same basic AI, with the
> same synchronisation parts embedded, originally designed to allow
> those Boomer women to sync with machinery.
The only thing they share in common is a similar endoskeleton. Mason's
boomers are custom made with features specifically made for him. And
they can't have the same A.I. Mason's bodyguards appear less
intelligent.
Alemann
Dartz
Now then?
Where does it say that they're custom made for Mason, and not off the
shelf models? I know 33-C was a fanon thing, I used it because I
couldn't be arsed saying Boomer Women all the time because that's all
the RPG sourcebook calls them. Besides, even if they are custom made,
there's no reason they don't pick and choose parts from the GENOM
boomer parts-bin, and so would end up sharing the same basic elements
as other biomimetic models.
33 doesn't refer to gender... it's specifically said that there are
male 33-S's. And not even going to bother with that.
Just because they're less intelligent, doesn't mean they don't use the
same basic AI. It's something car manufacturers do with engines all
the time to artificially stratify the market. Just by changing a chip
in the ECU, you can have an engine that makes 100bhp with good fuel
economy, or 120bhp "sports" engine. The basic mechanicals will be
same, only the ECU chip will have changed.
In software, Microsoft do the same thing... the differences between
Windows Vista Starter (Piss poor cheap edition) and Vista Ulimate are
determined by settings in the registry somewhere, which can be
modified. The basic operating system and kernel remain the same, it
just unlocks more features, the more you pay for it.
Boomer !== Cars or Software I know, but
Boomers are built on an industrial scale, the same sort of rules
apply.
-Dartz
Alemann
> Where does it say that they're custom made for Mason, and not off the
> shelf models?
Nowhere. It's the best explanation that seamlessly goes into the
plot.
There's a visual cue that connects Mason and Largo even more, but no
one noticed it. Largo is wearing same clothes like Mason's female
bodyguards, so they were manufactured by the same source - GPCC.
Mason, having personal influence in GPCC, made himself custom boomers,
and, later on, GPCC made Largo. It all fits.
> I know 33-C was a fanon thing, I used it because I
> couldn't be arsed saying Boomer Women all the time because that's all
> the RPG sourcebook calls them. Besides, even if they are custom made,
> there's no reason they don't pick and choose parts from the GENOM
> boomer parts-bin, and so would end up sharing the same basic elements
> as other biomimetic models.
They may have same basic elements like other boomers, but they're a
unique combination of these elements. They made for Mason's tastes.
> 33 doesn't refer to gender... it's specifically said that there are
> male 33-S's. And not even going to bother with that.
Have you read what I wrote? I said that, head.
> Just because they're less intelligent, doesn't mean they don't use the
> same basic AI. It's something car manufacturers do with engines all
> the time to artificially stratify the market. Just by changing a chip
> in the ECU, you can have an engine that makes 100bhp with good fuel
> economy, or 120bhp "sports" engine. The basic mechanicals will be
> same, only the ECU chip will have changed.
>
> In software, Microsoft do the same thing... the differences between
> Windows Vista Starter (Piss poor cheap edition) and Vista Ulimate are
> determined by settings in the registry somewhere, which can be
> modified. The basic operating system and kernel remain the same, it
> just unlocks more features, the more you pay for it.
>
> Boomer !== Cars or Software I know, but
>
> Boomers are built on an industrial scale, the same sort of rules
> apply.
The creators never went into details what boomers are, and Miss 80
Cents isn't exactly willing to help out. This part of discussion in
pointless.
Alemann
Dartz
Well you sure as hell started it.
I know full well they didn't go into detail... yet you did. You can't
hide behind that little caveat when it suits you, especially since
you're the one so keen to pick the little holes in things. You can't
just dismiss it as pointless. Face it, you're wrong.
It doesn't matter what the fuck Boomers are.... they could be toy
robots for all that matters. The fact is, they're being produced on a
production line, and being marketed and sold as a product. The same
rules of production and manufacture apply to them, as to cars, coffee
makers, computers and god knows what else that is produced on a bloody
assembly line.
I think we both have different definitions of custom-made. My opinion
is that the 33-S and Mason's bodyguards share parts due to the simple
fact that they are both manufactured by GENOM. This is based upon my
own knowledge of design and manufacturing best practice. Sharing parts
between different models is common in manufacturing.... why the hell
would you spend millions designing a single widget to be used in one
product only, and redesign your widget for each and ever product you
produce, when you can design one widget, and just use the same part
over and over again across your model range?
Which one makes the best business sense?
Car makers do this with engines/wheels/suspension/ECU/instrumentation/
seats/god knows what else... assuming GENOM follows industrial best
practices and intends to make a profit every know and then, chances
are that they do the exact same thing with cyberdroids. They share as
much parts and designs across the range as possible, enabling or
disabling features depending on how much money the end user wants to
pay. If you want a basic entry level model, you don't spend millions
designing a knew one, just cripple a few features on the high end one
and sell that as a new model.
Mason's bodyguards will not be custom made and developed from the
ground up... that's not good business practice, that's not good
manufacturing practice. They may have some built-to-order parts, a
face, some cosmetic details, but it's highly likely that the basic
guts of them will be based off of commercial-off-the-shelf parts. They
may be built-to-order, with some bespoke trim, but they're definitely
not custom-built.
Look at Rolls-Royce Phantom for an example of what I mean. When you
order a Royce, you spec the interior, the paint, the wheels, the
decor, you can even add custom bespoke features to the interior to
suit your whims. And you pay a fucktonne of cash for the privelege.
But underneath all that trim, there is the same basic chassis/engine/
drivetrain combination. The same basic sheetmetal/electrics etc....
only the surface of the car is bespoke, the rest is finished on a
production line, the same as every other phantom in the world. The
bespoke parts are skin deep.
When Mason orders his bodyguards, he gets a list of optional features
that can be supplied, and ticks off the ones he wants. It is highly
unlikely he would launch a full R&D project just for some bodyguards
for himself.... that's not good business. That's not the logical thing
to do. The CEO of Volkswagen doesn't order a car custom made and
developed downstairs in the factory, does he?
The point you can't seem to understand is, when the basic elements of
the 33-S was being designed, chances are somebody went looking for a
smart AI, and just plonked in whatever AI came from a C-series,
tweaked it a little bit, and made it fit it's intended purpose (Or
vice-versa). If the C-series was designed to synchronise with
weaponry, chances are that ability would carry over to the 33-S by
virtue of this sharing of components. It saves money, saves
development time, and increases profits. GENOM is a business not a
'cool toy factory for executives.
That is the most likely reason for the synchronisation... a few
careless parts shared between model ranges. It's a good deal simpler
than your plan, especially since production of the 33-S is illegal.
Quite frankly, your theory is a load of crap.
Sylvie's skills probably came about when her first owner got to the
part on the order form marked [INSTALLED SKILLS] and ticked the boxes
beside 'Space Pilot', 'Drive vehicle', etc. Knockout eyes are probably
some form of non-violent self defence, in case of theft.
Now then, a shared style of clothes suggests Largo and the Boomer
women were produced at GPCC..... how? What that suggests to me is more
an continuity of taste, a continuity of being. Mason was the one who
chose the uniform for his bodyguards bosed on hsi own tastes, Largo
chose the same clothes style for himself based on his tastes. It's the
same personanility, more or less. It may be a visual cue alright, but
it ain't meant to link Largo to the Boomer women, it links Mason to
Largo. Really now, doesn't that seem more likely? I mean, it's common
sense that the owner provides the clothes for the boomer, not the
factory.
-Dartz
Alemann
> <SNIP>
Dude, uniques are always custom built. I'm not saying they don't have
something that every boomer has, I'm saying they are tweaked and
manufactured specifically for Mason on his order. He didn't get simple
upgraded 33-S, but unique boomers, just as Largo later got his
hyperboomers (another Mason/Largo hint) - at GPCC!
> That is the most likely reason for the synchronisation... a few
> careless parts shared between model ranges. It's a good deal simpler
> than your plan, especially since production of the 33-S is illegal.
> Quite frankly, your theory is a load of crap.
>
> Sylvie's skills probably came about when her first owner got to the
> part on the order form marked [INSTALLED SKILLS] and ticked the boxes
> beside 'Space Pilot', 'Drive vehicle', etc. Knockout eyes are probably
> some form of non-violent self defence, in case of theft.
The production of 33-S was legal. A cyberdroid produced exclusively
for sexual services. But, quoting Sylia, "When certain parts from the
C-class were transplanted into it making it easy to synchronize with
superweapons, it became a problem." The word "transplantation" alludes
to the fact that the S-series doesn't share any parts with the C-
series in original lineup. Sylvie, and possibly others, had such
transplantation, so they could be more efficient battlemover pilots.
> Sylvie's skills probably came about when her first owner got to the
> part on the order form marked [INSTALLED SKILLS] and ticked the boxes
> beside 'Space Pilot', 'Drive vehicle', etc. Knockout eyes are probably
> some form of non-violent self defence, in case of theft.
Why does a sex toy need such skills? Does piloting a space shuttle
makes you blowjob expert? The knockout eyes were added later for
defensive purposes when on a battlefield, possibly that C-class
part.
> Now then, a shared style of clothes suggests Largo and the Boomer
> women were produced at GPCC..... how?
Whoever made those boomer woman made Largo - at GPCC!
> What that suggests to me is more
> an continuity of taste, a continuity of being. Mason was the one who
> chose the uniform for his bodyguards bosed on hsi own tastes, Largo
> chose the same clothes style for himself based on his tastes. It's the
> same personanility, more or less. It may be a visual cue alright, but
> it ain't meant to link Largo to the Boomer women, it links Mason to
> Largo. Really now, doesn't that seem more likely? I mean, it's common
> sense that the owner provides the clothes for the boomer, not the
> factory.
It links Largo with the boomer woman in the sense that they have a
common source - GPCC! The same designer gave them such clothes because
he share the same aesthetics. And it's not Mason! ;)
Alemann
Dustin Kopplin
So i guess to sum things up, the 33-S and 33-C are like Malibu Barbie
and Malibu Barbie with a PHD, one just has more to offer than good
looks.
I dont have time to read everything, but from what i skimmed, thats
how i look at the difference between the 2...
Dartz
Sigh...
You don't understand the difference between custom, and built-to-
order, do you?
Custom machines are designed, developed and built exactly to
specifications, from the ground up.
Built-to-order.... you specify, the guy on the assembly line picks out
the parts you tell him to, put them together, and you get exactly what
you want. You pay a high price, the company saves money by using off-
the-shelf parts... everyone wins. Mason could not design and develop a
custom boomer, from scratch, for his own personal use. Companies have
a term for employees such as this.... it's 'Terminated'. No matter how
much power he had, Mason was still just an executive.
At most, they would be prototypes for a production model. Quincy
wouldn't just throw money at every random project that comes his way,
and not expect any payback, any profit... that's a great way to go
bankrupt. Mason was subservient to Quincy, so he has to justify costs.
Largo could be justified as a research development project.
The hyperboomers could be justified as a next generation combat model.
And if there was no justification, they would have to remain hidden,
because Quincy would be rightfully pissed at corporate resources being
pissed against the wall on a personal whim for an
executive's pet.
Largo/Boomer women/GPCC thing..... yeah, they shared the same designer/
project manager. Mason. There's your link. Mason's personal tastes
override all. Honestly, it's the simplest explanation, isns't it?
Mason decides his boomers clothes, Largo decides what he wears because
he is Mason.
Transplantable components? Why would they be transplantable unless the
C-series and the 33-S shared basic components? Like different engines
between different cars made by the same manufacturer.
Why does a sex-toy need such skills? Ask the person who ordered her. I
don't know. Maybe whoever ordered Sylvie liked the action-chick type?
In all honestly, what does it matter?
Let me guess... you're the sort of person who'd watch Independance Day
and get the greatest kick from pointing out that their Morse Code is
wrong, or that the senders aren't properly adjusted, aren't you? You
love demonstrating how your so much smarter than the rest of us
because you can pick itty bitty holes in things, things most people
don't even care about. You're that person who watched the Indiana
Jones movie and points out that motorcycles weren't commonly fitted
with disk brakes in 1955, and think that everyone in the theater needs
to know about it, and if they don't answer you, they must not have
heard you so you'd better shout louder.
There's a reason very few people answer....
-Dartz
Alemann
> Sigh...
>
> You don't understand the difference between custom, and built-to-
> order, do you?
> Custom machines are designed, developed and built exactly to
> specifications, from the ground up.
> Built-to-order.... you specify, the guy on the assembly line picks out
> the parts you tell him to, put them together, and you get exactly what
> you want. You pay a high price, the company saves money by using off-
> the-shelf parts... everyone wins.
Look, we can agree those boomers are not mass market models. Mason has
them and nobody else. Their only for his private use. Whether they
should be called custom made or built-to-order is a petty semantics
game I don't wanna to play.
> Mason could not design and develop a custom boomer, from scratch, for his own personal use. Companies have a term for employees such as this.... it's >'Terminated'. No matter how much power he had, Mason was still just an executive.
Mason has no knowledge of robotics. He probably has a business school
degree. Corporate sharks like Mason have many accommodations. Free
parking space, dental, boomer bodyguards etc. He has a lifestyle to
live, and those female boomers show.
> At most, they would be prototypes for a production model. Quincy
> wouldn't just throw money at every random project that comes his way,
> and not expect any payback, any profit... that's a great way to go
> bankrupt. Mason was subservient to Quincy, so he has to justify costs.
The justification is: I need bodyguards. And because he has an
inflated ego or feels sexually inferior, he doesn't use the 55-C, the
standard boomer model used for protection but exquisite personal
boomers. Not until they're destroyed he uses Funk.
> Largo could be justified as a research development project.
Made behind Quincy's back by the same person who authorized Mason
robotic femme fatales. People like Flint show you can do many things
the old man doesn't need to know.
> The hyperboomers could be justified as a next generation combat model.
Largo confirmed they were next generation. He only accelerated the
production.
> And if there was no justification, they would have to remain hidden,
> because Quincy would be rightfully pissed at corporate resources being
> pissed against the wall on a personal whim for an
> executive's pet.
The were hidden. Quite obvious from the show.
> Largo/Boomer women/GPCC thing..... yeah, they shared the same designer/
> project manager. Mason. There's your link. Mason's personal tastes
> override all. Honestly, it's the simplest explanation, isns't it?
> Mason decides his boomers clothes, Largo decides what he wears because
> he is Mason.
Mason wears a plain suit and tie. Since when he has taste for female
fashion or general eye for aesthetics? Another, very significant
person made them.
> Transplantable components? Why would they be transplantable unless the
> C-series and the 33-S shared basic components? Like different engines
> between different cars made by the same manufacturer.
Wait? Boomers actually exists? You know how these things operate? Do
tell, do!
> Why does a sex-toy need such skills? Ask the person who ordered her. I
> don't know. Maybe whoever ordered Sylvie liked the action-chick type?
If I want to have a sexual fantasy about having sex on a dentist chair
with a lady dentist, the hooker has to have an actual degree in
dentistry?
> In all honestly, what does it matter?
It matters because it solves a large plot hole in Moonlight Rambler.
How come mere sex dolls know how to escape from Genaros as if they had
basic military training, fly a space shuttle, and operate an illegal
weapon?
> Let me guess... you're the sort of person who'd watch Independance Day
> and get the greatest kick from pointing out that their Morse Code is
> wrong, or that the senders aren't properly adjusted, aren't you? You
> love demonstrating how your so much smarter than the rest of us
> because you can pick itty bitty holes in things, things most people
> don't even care about. You're that person who watched the Indiana
> Jones movie and points out that motorcycles weren't commonly fitted
> with disk brakes in 1955, and think that everyone in the theater needs
> to know about it, and if they don't answer you, they must not have
> heard you so you'd better shout louder.
No, man, I'm just your average anime fanboy. ;)
Alemann
Dartz
I could write out another long load of waffle, but I couldn't be
arsed. So, In order.
Petty semantics games? I thought you loved those?
Yes he has bodyguards... they may be built to his tastes... but not
designed and developed yadda yadda yadda
I know they were hidden, that was the bloody point.
"Another very important person who we don't see."..... if we don't see
him, they're not important.
Boomers are machines manufactured on an assembly line. Same as cars.
Same basic principles apply.
It's not a plot hole... certainly not something I would consider a
plot hole. Where Priss' Typhoon 2 came from is a bigger mystery....
especially since it was never spoken of again.
That concludes that... from now on, I'm just going to through rocks in
your general direction. A much more satisfying use of my time, even if
it is very distressing for the neighbour's cat.
-Dartz
Dustin Kopplin
Guys, i dont think it worth it to put this much thought into this
series the same way people put life work in trying to figure out all
the meanings to Neon Genesis Evangelion (lord knows you got more holes
than shotgun pellets through a paper target). I really dont think it
needs that much thought into it.
Granted, you guys have good points, but its just a show, its
entertaining and awesome at the same time. As far as i know,
Evangelion takes about 50 theology classes and a MIT degree to get the
just of the series, or if your stoned and watch it, either way.
I guess this is more than a series, but more of a "whats this than
that" and the correct terminology of custom and off the line.
And regarding the Dentist quote, you can kill 2 birds with one stone,
get your teeth fixed AND get laid, thats win win, and even more if you
can get it for free, free dentail work is hard to come buy, because it
will NEVER HAPPEN...
Dartz
Yeah, we're both recovering Evangelion addicts. Sometimes we drop off
the wagon and slip back to type. Willingly or accidentally. Blame
evageeks.org.
Just ignore the 'recovering' bit.
-Dartz
Dustin Kopplin
For me, being into Eva comes and goes, i have an obsession for a
while, then forget about it until something Eva related comes out,
then i kinda get into it. Its kinda like the movies and all the merch
thats coming with it, like theres a 1500 dollar cell phone by one of
the phone companies in japan that they made for the Eva 2.0 movie,
because the exact phone was in it. Its pretty sweet looking, but i
would have to go through the trouble to unlock the device.
To me, Eva has alot of unanswered questions, which is good to think
about, but theres no need to put that mentality (or nearly 95 precent
of that) into BGC universe.
For me, i got a good price on the Platinum Tin Case DVD set on ebay
and found a cheap copy of End of Eva at my local blockbuster, so now i
have a physical copy of the series. I made my brother watch the series
and the movie friday night, he seemed pretty messed up friday night
after watching it, yet for me thats the first time i saw it in about 6
years, i just told him "You can thank me later for f'ing up you
weekend"...
Alemann
Kinuko Ohmori sung the ending song "My Precious Trick Star" of Nadia -
Secret of Blue Water directed by Hideaki Anno.
Megumi Hayashibara, Rei Ayanami's voice actor, had a small role in
Moonlight Rambler.
Koichi Yamadera, Ryoji Kaji's voice actor, voiced Fargo.
Alemann
Amanda Stair
Yes, Megumi voiced Nam. And Sylvie's seiyuu also voiced Nadia
herself.
Michie Tomizawa (Linna) also voiced Rei Hino/Sailor Mars, C-ko, and
Roberta. Yoshiko Sakakibara (Sylia) did Angel, Integra and Queen
Nehelenia. Akiko Hiramatsu (Nene) did Miyuki, as well as twins Elaine
and Diana. Aya Hisakawa (Lisa) did Ami Mizuno/Sailor Mercury. Yuuko
Mizutani (Anri) did Mihoshi. Miki Itou (Irene) did A-ko, Android 18,
and Miyo Takano. Toshio Furukawa (Leon) did Ataru and Piccolo. Junko
Asami (Naoko) did Fubuki Kai. Adama's seiyuu did Nabiki. And for my
grand finale...
Koichi Yamadera also voiced Myuu. Yes, Myuu.
Amanda
Alemann
> On Sep 29, 12:33 pm, Alemann <zanzibar.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Pointless trivia:
>
> > Kinuko Ohmori sung the ending song "My Precious Trick Star" of Nadia -
> > Secret of Blue Water directed by Hideaki Anno.
>
> > Megumi Hayashibara, Rei Ayanami's voice actor, had a small role in
> > Moonlight Rambler.
>
> > Koichi Yamadera, Ryoji Kaji's voice actor, voiced Fargo.
>
> > Alemann
>
> Yes, Megumi voiced Nam. And Sylvie's seiyuu also voiced Nadia
> herself.
I only wanted to establish a BGC/Evangelion connection...
Alemann
Dustin Kopplin
Really the only connections avalible are the voice actors/actress.
Pretty much, everyone who did seiyuu for BGC is in like 200 more anime
since then.
Funny thing is, Kinuko only has that as her VA role, since she
finished high school and did music after that, which good for her.
Another thing is, the american VA's never did anything other than
Crisis and Crash.
I need to check out Nadia, especially since Kinuko did the ending
theme, or ill just download the ending theme and skip the anime (...
because im that lazy).
Kinuko also worked on Gunsmith Cats providing the image music to the
anime.
Alemann
> Really the only connections avalible are the voice actors/actress.
> Pretty much, everyone who did seiyuu for BGC is in like 200 more anime
> since then.
If we already began talking about Evangelion, let's put it in BGC
context. I didn't want a complete BGC VA past works list. The last
thing I want is get charged 80 cents per role.
> Another thing is, the american VA's never did anything other than
> Crisis and Crash.
The VA were practically picked from the streets.
> I need to check out Nadia, especially since Kinuko did the ending
> theme, or ill just download the ending theme and skip the anime (...
> because im that lazy).
It's on YouTube. It's also a track on her album Face.
Alemann
Amanda Stair
The BGC/Eva connection is pretty thin if the only link is Megumi (who
voiced one minor character who got killed five minutes into the
episode). You can see from my list there's more of a BGC/SM
connection than BGC/Eva. If all you wanted to do was show the link,
then say so.
Oh yeah, Akiko did one of the villains in Sailor Moon R as well, and
Kazeyuki Sogabe (Largo) voiced Kunzite, IIRC =P
Amanda
Alemann
> The BGC/Eva connection is pretty thin if the only link is Megumi (who
> voiced one minor character who got killed five minutes into the
> episode).
I called it pointless trivia. And it's not only Megumi but Koichi also
as Fargo. And Kinuko singing in another Anno work.
Alemann