Sylia and cooking
Alemann
kitchen, but isn't it a bit unSylish to get her hands dirty? I always
imagine Sylia going into fancy restaurants while Mackie shares a can
of baked beans with Dr. Raven they cooked on an open fire in front of
Raven's :D
Alemann
Dartz
The same thing as everyone else, I'll bet.
She has to eat. To eat she has to cook. She doesn't seem to have any
sort of housekeeper to do it for her, so if it's not her cooking, it's
either Mackie's job, or she orders in takeout daily. Of course, she
does have to get her hands dirty... she designed and constructed the
hardsuits after all. We just don't see it.
-Dartz
Rob Kelk
wrote:
>On Aug 20, 9:36=A0pm, Alemann <zanzibar.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Has anybody asked himself what Sylia and Mackie eat? They have a
>> kitchen, but isn't it a bit unSylish to get her hands dirty? I always
>> imagine Sylia going into fancy restaurants while Mackie shares a can
>> of baked beans with Dr. Raven they cooked on an open fire in front of
>> Raven's =A0:D
>>
>> Alemann
>
>The same thing as everyone else, I'll bet.
>
>She has to eat. To eat she has to cook. She doesn't seem to have any
>sort of housekeeper to do it for her, so if it's not her cooking, it's
>either Mackie's job, or she orders in takeout daily.
Or she gets her butler Henderson to cook for her. <VBG>
> Of course, she
>does have to get her hands dirty... she designed and constructed the
>hardsuits after all. We just don't see it.
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Alemann
> The same thing as everyone else, I'll bet.
>
> She has to eat. To eat she has to cook. She doesn't seem to have any
> sort of housekeeper to do it for her, so if it's not her cooking, it's
> either Mackie's job, or she orders in takeout daily. Of course, she
> does have to get her hands dirty... she designed and constructed the
> hardsuits after all. We just don't see it.
>
> -Dartz
The way Sylia's presented, I can't visualize her with any sort or
manual labor. They heaviest she ever lifted is an eye liner. :D
Alemann
Dartz
And if you met her on the street, you'd never consider herself
actually being the leader of a band of high-tech vigilanté's either,
would you? All you'd see was a succesful businesswoman, not the type
to battle boomers at night. Just because a person doesn't 'seem' like
the type to do something, doesn't mean they don't.
-Dartz
Alemann
> And if you met her on the street, you'd never consider herself
> actually being the leader of a band of high-tech vigilanté's either,
> would you? All you'd see was a succesful businesswoman, not the type
> to battle boomers at night. Just because a person doesn't 'seem' like
> the type to do something, doesn't mean they don't.
>
> -Dartz
These categories are to far off to compare them. I can't deduce from
Sylia's appearance that's she's a mercenary leader, but I can
plausibly speculate on some of her personality features based on
what's presented in the show.
Alemann
Dartz
How are they too far off?
Anyway, one thing she doesn't have is a driver. Day to day, she drives
her own car. She prefers not to use a chauffeur. If she prefers to
drive for herself, perhaps she likes to cook for herself, to be
independant? How many people of similar wealth and status prefer
limousines? Wouldn't that be the expected choice for a sophisticated
Tokyo lady?
Never mind the topic is up there with the strangest excesses of the
EVA community..... I know those epileptic trees are around her
somewhere.
-Dartz
Amanda Stair
As has already been stated before, Sylia doesn't have a driver. She
drives that (probably replica, but who knows) Mercedes Gullwing
herself, and we've never seen a maid/housekeeper in her place either,
nor a cook. Also consider that she and Mackie were left alone for
days, perhaps weeks at a time while Dr. Stingray was doing his
research. She probably had to learn to cook by necessity because of
being left unsupervised so often.
Sure, she *could* dine out for every meal if she wanted to. But
knowing what her taste probably is, she'd run up a higher bill than
Priss' lunch at the Ragu Steakhouse (which was $100+ at today's
exchange rate -- also remember the $40 coffee at the St. Regis
Hotel). Plus there's the trust issue. You really think Sylia would
risk having eavesdroppers, knowing the kind of 'business' she runs?
Methinks not. Au contraire, I believe Sylia knows her way around a
kitchen very well, and could probably whip up a very healthy and
delicious meal in no time flat at all.
Amanda
Alemann
>
> Anyway, one thing she doesn't have is a driver. Day to day, she drives
> her own car. She prefers not to use a chauffeur. If she prefers to
> drive for herself, perhaps she likes to cook for herself, to be
> limousines? Wouldn't that be the expected choice for a sophisticated
> Tokyo lady?
>
Is Sylia wealthy enough to afford a chauffeur? She doesn't seem to me
to be abundantly wealthy. Upper middle class, lower high class at most
thanks to Katsuhito's prior work before the boomer prototype.
Ownership of one building and a high mercenary fee shows she ain't
exactly a multimillionaire.
Alemann
Alemann
>
> As has already been stated before, Sylia doesn't have a driver. She
> drives that (probably replica, but who knows) Mercedes Gullwing
> herself, and we've never seen a maid/housekeeper in her place either,
> nor a cook.
She's not that wealthy, and it's not like she's hiding she has more
than average financial means, so she'd have them if she could.
> Also consider that she and Mackie were left alone for
> days, perhaps weeks at a time while Dr. Stingray was doing his
> research. She probably had to learn to cook by necessity because of
> being left unsupervised so often.
How much do we know about Sylia's past? He was absent for a longer
period (two weeks) at least once. Because she lost her mother early
one, it seems implausible to me that Katsuhito, a caring father in my
opinion, would let his children unsupervised. If I would write a flash
back or Sylia's return to her past, she would have a house maid that
helps around when Katsuhito's working.
> Sure, she *could* dine out for every meal if she wanted to. But
> knowing what her taste probably is, she'd run up a higher bill than
> Priss' lunch at the Ragu Steakhouse (which was $100+ at today's
> exchange rate -- also remember the $40 coffee at the St. Regis
> Hotel). Plus there's the trust issue. You really think Sylia would
> risk having eavesdroppers, knowing the kind of 'business' she runs?
> Methinks not. Au contraire, I believe Sylia knows her way around a
> kitchen very well, and could probably whip up a very healthy and
> delicious meal in no time flat at all.
>
> Amanda
Amanda, I'm sure she cooks herself and for Mackie. She's not cold and
definitely caring for her brother. Her money didn't spoil her or made
her conceited. Doesn't talk down to Linna and Nene (middle class), nor
Priss (low class) but treats them as equals.
Alemann
Rob Kelk
That "one building" is in the middle of downtown Tokyo, though, and
Tokyo is the most expensive city in the world to live in. She might be a
multimillionaire just by owning Ladys633.
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Alemann
> That "one building" is in the middle of downtown Tokyo, though, and
> Tokyo is the most expensive city in the world to live in. She might be a
> multimillionaire just by owning Ladys633.
You can't use real life facts like real estate prices on a fictional
story, especially on an SF. The A.D. Police moved to a fashion
building bigger than Lady's 633, and they aren't exactly with a big
budget. I agree, as an individual you do have to have considerable
amount to buy a building, but not necessarily in millions. The
building was already built there.
She didn't turned the building into a commercial center without
reason, as even her money source isn't infinite. Hell yeah, maybe
she's still paying off the monthly payments when she bought it, the
building itself costing several millions but she doesn't have millions
literally (NB: a million yen isn't like a million dollars, and judging
for the BGC, the yen is the number one currency in the world. So the
mercenaries fee in yes doesn't make one a millionaire.)
The only in-series model to use is McClaren. He's a scientist like
Katsuhito and wealthy. Would anybody say he's a millionaire? A six
numbers annual salary maximum.
Alemann
Amanda Stair
Not that wealthy? How the heck do you think she built the hardsuits
then?
Amanda
Alemann
> Not that wealthy? How the heck do you think she built the hardsuits
> then?
>
> Amanda
I'm not saying she's not wealthy. I'm saying she's not Bill Gates/
Scrooge McDuck wealthy.
Alemann
trbot...@aol.com
You don't know what investments Sylia has -- it wouldn't surprise me
if she had a large and diverse business portfolio. There's a lot that
isn't covered in the OVAs -- just because something doesn't come up,
that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist....
Craig
Alemann
> You don't know what investments Sylia has -- it wouldn't surprise me
> if she had a large and diverse business portfolio. There's a lot that
> isn't covered in the OVAs -- just because something doesn't come up,
> that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist....
>
> Craig
Of course, that would be an argument for ignorance. But until you go
into more speculative fanwankery, use what's stated in the show and
make the most out of it. Sylia has two official income sources. Lady's
633 who's space she's renting out to other people, and her own
lingerie shop (What's peculiar is that she's working as the cash
register. If she's a wealthy owner of the building, why does she work
at the counter as a mere worker?) Just maintaining this takes much of
her time. Next to that, she leads a mercenary group what burdens her
to the maximum what a single person can do. The only thing reasonable
I can conclude is that she doesn't own more property that already
shown in the OVAs.
Alemann
trbot...@aol.com
So, by your logic, we have no proof that Priss and Linna's parents are
dead because we didn't see them get killed on-screen. Or that Sylia's
Mother is dead. Or the Sabers get paid for their work.
We can make reasonable conclusion, based on the data we have. Maybe
Sylia likes running her store as a Hands-on owner/operator. It's a
small business -- most small business are run by the people who own
them.
It's not Fanwankery as you describe it. It's conclusins based on what
we see and can flesh out on our own.
Craig
Rob Kelk
<trbot...@aol.com> wrote:
>On Aug 26, 2:20=EF=BF=BDpm, Alemann <zanzibar.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 26, 7:41=EF=BF=BDpm, "trb_tur...@aol.com" <trbotur...@aol.com> wro=
>te:
>>
>> > You don't know what investments Sylia has -- it wouldn't surprise me
>> > if she had a large and diverse business portfolio. There's a lot that
>> > isn't covered in the OVAs -- just because something doesn't come up,
>> > that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist....
>>
>> > Craig
>>
>> Of course, that would be an argument for ignorance.
Argument from ingorance, actually... (They're different things.)
I'm reminded of the April Fool's FAQ I once put together, where the
reason I gave for GENOM never bringing its full might to bear on the
Knight Sabers was that Sylia owned enough of the corporation's stock to
vote down the "do something about those mercenaries" motions at the
annual meetings. One could even justify that by saying it was her
father's stock... but it's so unlikely that it's only good for a laugh.
Craig's idea, OTOH, is at least plausible.
>> But until you go
>> into more speculative fanwankery, use what's stated in the show and
>> make the most out of it. Sylia has two official income sources. Lady's
>> 633 who's space she's renting out to other people, and her own
>> lingerie shop (What's peculiar is that she's working as the cash
>> register. If she's a wealthy owner of the building, why does she work
>> at the counter as a mere worker?) Just maintaining this takes much of
>> her time. Next to that, she leads a mercenary group what burdens her
>> to the maximum what a single person can do. The only thing reasonable
>> I can conclude is that she doesn't own more property that already
>> shown in the OVAs.
>>
>> Alemann
>
>So, by your logic, we have no proof that Priss and Linna's parents are
>dead because we didn't see them get killed on-screen. Or that Sylia's
>Mother is dead. Or the Sabers get paid for their work.
>
>We can make reasonable conclusion, based on the data we have. Maybe
>Sylia likes running her store as a Hands-on owner/operator. It's a
>small business -- most small business are run by the people who own
>them.
Considering that the only time we ever saw Sylia in the lingerie store
was when Linna and Nene came in, it's quite possible that she usually
doesn't work the cash. She might only be in the store the one afternoon
a week (or whatever) that the other Knight Sabers come in to check
whether they've got work...
>It's not Fanwankery as you describe it. It's conclusins based on what
>we see and can flesh out on our own.
It's interpolation - filling in the holes left by was wasn't shown in
the source material. The source of many a good fanfic, come to think of
it...
Alemann
> So, by your logic, we have no proof that Priss and Linna's parents are
> dead because we didn't see them get killed on-screen.
It's stated in the B-Club.
> Or that Sylia's Mother is dead.
It's stated in Soldier Blue, and it's clearly obvious from the show
itself.
> Or the Sabers get paid for their work.
Linna alludes to it in Tinsel City and confirms it in Revenge Road.
> We can make reasonable conclusion, based on the data we have. Maybe
> Sylia likes running her store as a Hands-on owner/operator. It's a
> small business -- most small business are run by the people who own
> them.
She doesn't own just a small business. She owns the entire building.
It's like Donald Trump working as a receptionist in one of his hotels.
I did even used a strong adjective. I said it's peculiar not
"strange", "odd", or "bizarre". If there ever could be a reason why
she's downplaying herself, then it's the thing that she's selling -
lingerie. She's very feminine, so she likes lingerie and selling it to
other woman. A quirk.
> It's not Fanwankery as you describe it. It's conclusins based on what
> we see and can flesh out on our own.
Where do we see "a large and diverse business portfolio"?
Alemann
Alemann
> Considering that the only time we ever saw Sylia in the lingerie store
> was when Linna and Nene came in, it's quite possible that she usually
> doesn't work the cash. She might only be in the store the one afternoon
> a week (or whatever) that the other Knight Sabers come in to check
> whether they've got work...
We see her in the store at the very beginning of Tinsel City. There's
a scrapped alternative Scoop Chase's opening where Nene goes by
Sylia's store and waves at her. Soldier Blue hammers it to all of us.
It's her day job.
Alemann
Amanda Stair
Oh? This is the first I've heard of the scrapped Scoop Chase
opening. We all know about the scrapped shower scene from Revenge
Road, but where did you see this info about a scrapped OP for Scoop
Chase?
And BTW, you did mention to me you're writing a fanfic. If you're
gonna go by what's shown in the OVA and alluded to in the B-Club and
nothing else, you're gonna be very limited in your scope of how you're
depicting the Sabers. You ARE allowed to have an imagination and add
other things, you know. Within the scope of realism, of course.
Amanda
Alemann
> Oh? This is the first I've heard of the scrapped Scoop Chase
> opening. We all know about the scrapped shower scene from Revenge
> Road, but where did you see this info about a scrapped OP for Scoop
> Chase?
Right on this newsgroup. Someone had an art book about Nene. There was
the scrapped ending witch sketches.
> And BTW, you did mention to me you're writing a fanfic. If you're
> gonna go by what's shown in the OVA and alluded to in the B-Club and
> nothing else, you're gonna be very limited in your scope of how you're
> depicting the Sabers. You ARE allowed to have an imagination and add
> other things, you know. Within the scope of realism, of course.
>
> Amanda
If I want to write an ORIGINAL, I better be limited by the OVA. The
official canon is the basis, and it's that what sets the parameter
inside which I can write my story. I can be creative, but inside the
boundaries of the official canon.
Alemann
Dartz
This isn't the Catholic church. Please don't talk about canon like
it's some sort of law where you'll be excommunicated from the group
and burned at the stake like a heretic for disagreeing with. Show
isn't even completely self consistent in itself.... shrug....
Don't let canon get in the way of a good plot. Otherwise you'll just
end up rewriting the series. I did that once.....it's not fun for the
reader. And it lacks imagination man.
-Dartz
Alemann
> Don't let canon get in the way of a good plot. Otherwise you'll just
> end up rewriting the series.
These are contradictory statements. By ignoring the canon, *I am*
rewriting the series.
> I did that once.....it's not fun for the
> reader. And it lacks imagination man.
It takes more creativity (adult's imagination) to make a story that
seamlessly into the established canon, than to brake and bend it, so
it can fit your story. Form the story around the canon and not the
canon around the story.
Alemann
Dartz
> On 27 kol, 21:08, Dartz <dartz....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Don't let canon get in the way of a good plot. Otherwise you'll just
> > end up rewriting the series.
>
> These are contradictory statements. By ignoring the canon, *I am*
> rewriting the series.
>
No... I meant rewritting the series... word for bloody word. Why would
anyone want to read something they've already watched?
You want to write a continuation, I gather? Fair enough, you can make
that consistant with canon. But it's fun to explore the might've been.
What if Priss had died at the hands of Largo and Vision taken her
place? What is Sylia beyond "Different somehow"?
> > I did that once.....it's not fun for the
> > reader. And it lacks imagination man.
>
> It takes more creativity (adult's imagination) to make a story that
Was that a shot? Seems to me you're the one being snitty mate....
> seamlessly into the established canon, than to brake and bend it, so
> it can fit your story. Form the story around the canon and not the
> canon around the story.
>
> Alemann
Why not.... It's you're story, you can do whatever the bloody hell you
want with it. Change things, manipulate events, fill in one background
elements that aren't explored to add to your plot. Priss knows Sho and
his mother somehow.... that's all canon gives us. Expand on how they
met maybe? Sylia is 'different' to humans.... how is she different?
What are the consequences of this difference? What about Mackie, is he
the same? What sort of jobs do the Knight Sabers take when they're not
making the OVA plot running forwards...
And I gotta cut short my battery is about to die... I'll finish when I
get home in three-four hours
Rob Kelk
<zanzib...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Aug 26, 10:02=A0pm, "trb_tur...@aol.com" <trbotur...@aol.com> wrote:
>> So, by your logic, we have no proof that Priss and Linna's parents are
>> dead because we didn't see them get killed on-screen.
>
>It's stated in the B-Club.
>
>> Or that Sylia's Mother is dead.
>
>It's stated in Soldier Blue, and it's clearly obvious from the show
>itself.
In reply to Amanda elsewhere in this thread, you said "If I want to
write an ORIGINAL, I better be limited by the OVA." You can't have it
both ways - either you're limited by the OAV or you aren't. Soldier
Blue, the B-Clubs, and other such supplementary information are just
that - supplementary, not canon.
And a lot of the suggestions other people have made in this thread and
that you've objected to are also "clearly obvious from the show
itself".
(BTW, all fanfic is original, unless the writer was plagarizing. The
term you're looking for is "continuation".)
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Dartz
Alright.... to finish..
How do we define cannon even? Just what's been seen on screen (Like
Star Trek), or each and every background piece of material (Like Star
Wars)? Do we include Crash, Soldier Blue, Grand Mal, production
drawings and notes? Interviews and responses omn this very newsgroup
even.... I think it's here than one of the US dub staff mentioned the
fact that Sylia had a nanotech enhanced brain, and that he'd been told
as much direct from the horses mouth, so to speak (Somebody correct me
on who's and whats, I'm still a n00b here)
But it's not mentioned in the series...
So then, in my hypothetical story, I decide to say that Sylia is a
human with a boomer body, like Largo. I play this angle, and hint at
it, and generally explore the consequences of it. It's not
nescesarilly the major plotpoint... that could be Nené/Linna/Priss
being killed somehow and being reborn using the same tech. And your
first argument would be that it's Against Canon because some
background materials contradict a little? Well, you just ruined an
interesting story mate.
-Dartz
Alemann
> In reply to Amanda elsewhere in this thread, you said "If I want to
> write an ORIGINAL, I better be limited by the OVA." You can't have it
> both ways - either you're limited by the OAV or you aren't. Soldier
> Blue, the B-Clubs, and other such supplementary information are just
> that - supplementary, not canon.
The B-Clubs are second tier information. If it doesn't contradict the
first tier information, the OVAs, then it's canon. Just because it's
supplementary doesn't make it less relevant.
> And a lot of the suggestions other people have made in this thread and
> that you've objected to are also "clearly obvious from the show
> itself".
Well, I don't see them.
> (BTW, all fanfic is original, unless the writer was plagarizing. The
> term you're looking for is "continuation".)
I use Wigda's categorization of BGC fan fiction, as it's the most
known repository of it. Yes, it's continuation. Duh!
Alemann
Alemann
> > No... I meant rewritting the series... word for bloody word. Why would
> > anyone want to read something they've already watched?
When did I ever stated I'm intending to do that? And why can't it be
good? You use the basic skeleton and put more meat into it. If
evangelion fans are stupid and naive to pay for the same thing they
already watched, why can't you pull it of? At least, in my case, I
would make sure the readers would get a new experience from it.
> > You want to write a continuation, I gather? Fair enough, you can make
> > that consistant with canon. But it's fun to explore the might've been.
> > What if Priss had died at the hands of Largo and Vision taken her
> > place? What is Sylia beyond "Different somehow"?
I'm not saying it isn't. It's just not my current focus of interest.
> > Why not.... It's you're story, you can do whatever the bloody hell you
> > want with it. Change things, manipulate events, fill in one background
> > elements that aren't explored to add to your plot. Priss knows Sho and
> > his mother somehow.... that's all canon gives us. Expand on how they
> > met maybe? Sylia is 'different' to humans.... how is she different?
> > What are the consequences of this difference? What about Mackie, is he
> > the same? What sort of jobs do the Knight Sabers take when they're not
> > making the OVA plot running forwards...
Read above.
> How do we define cannon even? Just what's been seen on screen (Like
> Star Trek), or each and every background piece of material (Like Star
> Wars)? Do we include Crash, Soldier Blue, Grand Mal, production
> drawings and notes? Interviews and responses omn this very newsgroup
> even.... I think it's here than one of the US dub staff mentioned the
> fact that Sylia had a nanotech enhanced brain, and that he'd been told
> as much direct from the horses mouth, so to speak (Somebody correct me
> on who's and whats, I'm still a n00b here)
It depends on you what you consider canon. The A.D. Police OVAs, A.D
Police comic, and the BGC OVAs is what I consider canon, plus the B-
Club as supplemental information. Solider Blue and Crash is canon but
rejected from majority of fans who pretend it never happened.
Grand Mal is a comic by Adam Warren. It's not canon. Technically, it's
fan fiction. I didn't read it, but it's supposed to be bad. He made a
jab at Sylia's alleged augmentation and supposedly Suzuki liked the
idea. Suzuki himself doesn't know it, as he didn't think the entire
idea through.
For me, this all idea of Sylia being augmented or being a boomer is
nonsense. She's a full human from head to toe who got large data
inputted into her brain by whoever wanted from her to start all this
mess.
> So then, in my hypothetical story, I decide to say that Sylia is a
> human with a boomer body, like Largo. I play this angle, and hint at
> it, and generally explore the consequences of it. It's not
> nescesarilly the major plotpoint... that could be Nené/Linna/Priss
> being killed somehow and being reborn using the same tech. And your
> first argument would be that it's Against Canon because some
> background materials contradict a little? Well, you just ruined an
> interesting story mate.
> -Dartz
Dude, write about anything you want. It's just not my interest at this
moment.
Alemann
Amanda Stair
> On 28 kol, 00:52, robk...@deadspam.com (Rob Kelk) wrote:
>
> > In reply to Amanda elsewhere in this thread, you said "If I want to
> > write an ORIGINAL, I better be limited by the OVA." You can't have it
> > both ways - either you're limited by the OAV or you aren't. Soldier
> > Blue, the B-Clubs, and other such supplementary information are just
> > that - supplementary, not canon.
>
> The B-Clubs are second tier information. If it doesn't contradict the
> first tier information, the OVAs, then it's canon. Just because it's
> supplementary doesn't make it less relevant.
>
> > And a lot of the suggestions other people have made in this thread and
> > that you've objected to are also "clearly obvious from the show
> > itself".
>
> Well, I don't see them.
>
> > (BTW, all fanfic is original, unless the writer was plagarizing. The
> > term you're looking for is "continuation".)
>
> I use Wigda's categorization of BGC fan fiction, as it's the most
> known repository of it. Yes, it's continuation. Duh!
>
> Alemann
Goodness, there must be no fanfiction that you like, since very few if
any go by your strict set of rules. Heaven forbid people put their
own twist on the show.
Amanda
Alemann
> Goodness, there must be no fanfiction that you like, since very few if
> any go by your strict set of rules. Heaven forbid people put their
> own twist on the show.
>
> Amanda
People have absolute freedom to write about what they want and how
they want, Amanda. But it will never come close to ORIGINAL/
continuation (Satisfied, Kelk?) - an "elite" fan fiction category.
Alemann
Dartz
> On 28 kol, 00:57, Dartz <dartz....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > No... I meant rewritting the series... word for bloody word. Why would
> > > anyone want to read something they've already watched?
>
> When did I ever stated I'm intending to do that? And why can't it be
> good? You use the basic skeleton and put more meat into it. If
> evangelion fans are stupid and naive to pay for the same thing they
> already watched, why can't you pull it of? At least, in my case, I
> would make sure the readers would get a new experience from it.
>
How can there be a new experience when you know that ultimately, in
the end... Sylvie will die? That's what happens when you stick rigidly
to cannon. Your story is pretty much spoiled completely before you
start. We just get a few more details, rather than a completely
different story like Rebuild of Eva. Something that has the same basic
essence and themes, but takes them in a different direction. (Or Tokyo
2040 if you want to keep it in the same family, I think the Trope is
called 'Broad Strokes', though that might be an inferior comparison)
If you want a new experience, you're going to have to do *something*
different somewhere matey, or all you'll end up doing is retreading
the same series. Of course, there's that 6 months or so between Double
Vision and Scoop Chase to fill in....
> > > You want to write a continuation, I gather? Fair enough, you can make
> > > that consistant with canon. But it's fun to explore the might've been.
> > > What if Priss had died at the hands of Largo and Vision taken her
> > > place? What is Sylia beyond "Different somehow"?
>
> I'm not saying it isn't. It's just not my current focus of interest.
>
What is, can I ask?
Pick and choose what we like and what we don't like.... nothing wrong
with that. It'd bloody complicated anyway. Impression your posting was
giving was that anything with an 'Official BGC' stamp on it was
canon... which is obviously wrong. I like the augmented Sylia theory,
mostly because it's fun.
> > So then, in my hypothetical story, I decide to say that Sylia is a
> > human with a boomer body, like Largo. I play this angle, and hint at
> > it, and generally explore the consequences of it. It's not
> > nescesarilly the major plotpoint... that could be Nené/Linna/Priss
> > being killed somehow and being reborn using the same tech. And your
> > first argument would be that it's Against Canon because some
> > background materials contradict a little? Well, you just ruined an
> > interesting story mate.
> > -Dartz
>
> Dude, write about anything you want. It's just not my interest at this
> moment.
>
> Alemann
Same.... sort of
-Dartz
Alemann
> How can there be a new experience when you know that ultimately, in
> the end... Sylvie will die? That's what happens when you stick rigidly
> to cannon. Your story is pretty much spoiled completely before you
> start.
It can be done.
> We just get a few more details, rather than a completely
> different story like Rebuild of Eva. Something that has the same basic
> essence and themes, but takes them in a different direction.
Where does Rebuild distinctively converge from the TV series? I
haven't watched the second movie, but to me people are paying for what
they already seen with added superficial, cosmetic changes.
> What is, can I ask?
>
> -Dartz
I want to write an unofficial ninth part of BGC OVA.
Alemann
Amanda Stair
> On 28 kol, 19:18, Dartz <dartz....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > How can there be a new experience when you know that ultimately, in
> > the end... Sylvie will die? That's what happens when you stick rigidly
> > to cannon. Your story is pretty much spoiled completely before you
> > start.
>
> It can be done.
Prove it.
>
> > We just get a few more details, rather than a completely
> > different story like Rebuild of Eva. Something that has the same basic
> > essence and themes, but takes them in a different direction.
>
> Where does Rebuild distinctively converge from the TV series? I
> haven't watched the second movie, but to me people are paying for what
> they already seen with added superficial, cosmetic changes.
>
> > What is, can I ask?
>
> > -Dartz
>
> I want to write an unofficial ninth part of BGC OVA.
You already started, from what you showed me. Why don't you show
everyone here a snippet?
Amanda
Alemann
> Prove it.
In time, Amanda, in time. :)
> You already started, from what you showed me. Why don't you show
> everyone here a snippet?
>
> Amanda
Sent! :)
Alemann
Dartz
> On 28 kol, 19:18, Dartz <dartz....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > How can there be a new experience when you know that ultimately, in
> > the end... Sylvie will die? That's what happens when you stick rigidly
> > to cannon. Your story is pretty much spoiled completely before you
> > start.
>
> It can be done.
>
> > We just get a few more details, rather than a completely
> > different story like Rebuild of Eva. Something that has the same basic
> > essence and themes, but takes them in a different direction.
>
> Where does Rebuild distinctively converge from the TV series? I
> haven't watched the second movie, but to me people are paying for what
> they already seen with added superficial, cosmetic changes.
>
Part 2 goes off on a tangent, sort of comes back again, then goes all
weird. It's delicious. The first *was* a rehash, but when you see the
second, the differences in the first begin to make perfect sense.
> > What is, can I ask?
>
> > -Dartz
>
> I want to write an unofficial ninth part of BGC OVA.
>
> Alemann
Oh, *un*official..... I misread that there for a second.
>>On Aug 28, 12:40 pm, Alemann <zanzibar.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I want to write an unofficial ninth part of BGC OVA.
>You already started, from what you showed me. Why don't you show
>everyone here a snippet?
>Amanda
Seconded.
-Dartz.
Amanda Stair
E-mailed you back.
Amanda
Alemann
> E-mailed you back.
>
> Amanda
Me too.
Alemann