Art please come back!
Bert Herald
I don't know if Art's back is really so severe that he can't do a show, or
if that was an excuse to break away from the network. I do know that he
owns a radio station in Pahrump (KNYE). Maybe he could at least do a show
from there, and simulcast it on the net? Surely that couldn't be as
difficult to do as Coast? Or maybe he could come up with a shortwave gig?
In any case I feel he will come back, in some form or another, after some
time elapses. How could he not?
I think that if you miss Art you ought to drop him an email and let him
know. He gets his email now through the KNYE radio station's site, at
http://www.knye.com/. Just go there and you'll see a link. Maybe if enough
people beg and plead, he'll expedite his return.
There's not much more point in bashing the current "Coast" program. It's a
disaster and obviously has lost a lot of audience as stations are dumping
it. My local station has actually dumped it and replaced with some other
late-night ghost program. I think Norry is in the same chair as Siegel was.
It was impossible for these guys to fill Art's shoes and they were doomed to
failure from the start. I think the only hope would be for Coast to totally
revamp the show, get a more dynamic host, and maybe an altered focus. Since
they can't be Art, they shouldn't try anymore, and do something unique and
different instead (heck, at least change the theme music!). But again, I'm
not sure if anything will save that sinking ship except for Art coming out
of retirement yet again. And I don't see that happening, at least not with
the current radio network.
-=ratz0fratzo=-
<bert....@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>I think that if you miss Art you ought to drop him an email and let him
>know. He gets his email now through the KNYE radio station's site, at
>http://www.knye.com/. Just go there and you'll see a link. Maybe if enough
>people beg and plead, he'll expedite his return.
Art doesn't read his email. He's afraid it might contain anthrax.
________________________________
-=ratz0fratzo=-
LOSMYSTERIOS
>Like many of you, I haven't listened to Coast much or at all since Art left.
I don't know if Art's back is really so severe that he can't do a show, or if
that was an excuse to break away from the network. I do know that he owns a
radio station in Pahrump (KNYE). Maybe he could at least do a show from there,
and simulcast it on the net? Surely that couldn't be as difficult to do as
Coast? Or maybe he could come up with a shortwave gig? In any case I feel he
will come back, in some form or another, after some time elapses. How could he
not?
>
Just like one day learning the real reasons we are presently at war,
perhaps one day we'll learn what really has been going on with Art Bell.
>I think that if you miss Art you ought to drop him an email and let him
know. He gets his email now through the KNYE radio station's site, at
http://www.knye.com/. Just go there and you'll see a link. Maybe if enough
people beg and plead, he'll expedite his return.
>
Maybe the daily grind got to him. Now, he can pick and choose his
hours because he has an understanding boss. At least I think she is.
>There's not much more point in bashing the current "Coast" program. It's a
disaster and obviously has lost a lot of audience as stations are dumping it.
>
The bigger concern is the disrespect being shown (again) to the Art
Bell audience. The Network does not seem to care whether this
audience is properly served or not.
>My local station has actually dumped it and replaced with some other
late-night ghost program. I think Norry is in the same chair as Siegel was.
It was impossible for these guys to fill Art's shoes and they were doomed to
failure from the start. I think the only hope would be for Coast to totally
revamp the show, get a more dynamic host, and maybe an altered focus. Since
they can't be Art, they shouldn't try anymore, and do something unique and
different instead (heck, at least change the theme music!). But again, I'm not
sure if anything will save that sinking ship except for Art coming out of
retirement yet again. And I don't see that happening, at least not with the
current radio network.
>
Good as he is, Art Bell is not the only competent host in the universe.
There are other qualified and knowledgeable people who could do well
with this show. For some reason, these people are not being contacted.
LosMysterios
Don Brady
======================================================
posted 28 March 2003 06:29 PM
Word is that Art has signed with Infinity and will be back on air soon ???
He bought out his contract ???
Anyone else hear that ?
PLEASE, tell me it's true !
miso
music, but of course the complete songs. I like it, though I don't
like the early 60's stuff. [You can't please everyone all the time.]
Once in a while, the station goes live. I have heard Art's wife Ramona
give weather warnings and other announcements. On Saturdays, they do
Trade-io, as in trade and radio. Art hosts an on air swap meet of
sorts, with listeners from Pahrump or the Las Vegas relay station.
Personally, I think Art made his money and is enjoying life. If he
comes back, it won't be soon.
What they really have to do is dump Barbara Simpson. She has always
had a fake personality for her work on coast, and the veneer is
wearing thin. If you hear her on local radio (KSFO), you would be
shocked to hear how nasty she can be. Her true personality has been
coming through on Coast since the war began. Anyway, Simpson simply
isn't geeky enough (basically not at all) to really pull off coast to
coast.
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Spread Eagle
> What they really have to do is dump Barbara Simpson. She has always
> had a fake personality for her work on coast, and the veneer is
> wearing thin. If you hear her on local radio (KSFO), you would be
> shocked to hear how nasty she can be. Her true personality has been
> coming through on Coast since the war began. Anyway, Simpson simply
> isn't geeky enough (basically not at all) to really pull off coast to
> coast.
Translation: Barbara doesn't suffer fools gladly, and the fools
therefore object to her.
Spread Eagle
Spread Eagle
> I don't know if Art's back is really so severe that he can't do a show, or
> if that was an excuse to break away from the network. I do know that he
> owns a radio station in Pahrump (KNYE). Maybe he could at least do a show
> from there, and simulcast it on the net? Surely that couldn't be as
> difficult to do as Coast? Or maybe he could come up with a shortwave gig?
> In any case I feel he will come back, in some form or another, after some
> time elapses. How could he not?
Your post is to the wrong audience. Believe it or not, there was a
time when Art actually posted here, but those days are long gone.
Once his show went nationwide, one of Art's earliest public on-air
displeasures was with a certain cadre of a-holes that populate this
newsgroup. You know, the pisant pipsqueaks that derive their juvenile
delights by flaming, belittling, and dissing on anyone who posts here,
especially if they try to discuss something seriously or ask for
information. Art didn't want this stuff going on in his name, so he
cut all ties to this newsgroup. I don't think he even bothers to lurk
anymore. Why would he?
Spread Eagle
Ruxoid
>> shocked to hear how nasty she can be. Her true personality has been
>> coming through on Coast since the war began. Anyway, Simpson simply
>> isn't geeky enough (basically not at all) to really pull off coast to
>> coast.
>
>
>Translation: Barbara doesn't suffer fools gladly, and the fools
>therefore object to her.
>
>Spread Eagle
For starters, suffering fools is what C2C is all about.
More to the point Babs is a right wing hack. Any divergent thought is not
permitted. Fine for her, not fine for me.
"J R"
DrPostman
wrote:
>Your post is to the wrong audience. Believe it or not, there was a
>time when Art actually posted here, but those days are long gone.
>Once his show went nationwide, one of Art's earliest public on-air
>displeasures was with a certain cadre of a-holes that populate this
>newsgroup. You know, the pisant pipsqueaks that derive their juvenile
>delights by flaming, belittling, and dissing on anyone who posts here,
>especially if they try to discuss something seriously or ask for
>information. Art didn't want this stuff going on in his name, so he
>cut all ties to this newsgroup. I don't think he even bothers to lurk
>anymore. Why would he?
Now how would that explain all the other attempts at having discussion
boards and mailing lists failing? He couldn't control the criticism
there either and punked out. Bell has never posted more than 3 or
4 messages. He doesn't have the balls to defend his bullshit, and
never has.
Spread Eagle
> For starters, suffering fools is what C2C is all about.
>
> More to the point Babs is a right wing hack. Any divergent thought is not
> permitted. Fine for her, not fine for me.
>
> "J R"
She seems to be conservative, but so what? She doesn't push it. It's
not the focus of her show on C2C. Art was a conservative on most
issues, like the military. He made a big deal out of switching from
Republican to Libertarian a few years ago, and, it appeared, for the
sole reason that he likes to smoke grass and the Libertarians are for
legalization of drugs. Other than that he's conservative. Almost all
of talk radio is conservative. **Successful** talk radio, that is.
If any national talk show host were to declare themselves liberal and
begin advocating liberal ideas, well, it'd be the kiss of death for
them. The giant sound you'd hear would be all the listeners (but a
few like you, apparantly) turning off their radios.
Spread Eagle
Spread Eagle
> On 31 Mar 2003 08:33:00 -0800, red...@virtualhosts.net (Spread Eagle)
> wrote:
>
>
> >Your post is to the wrong audience. Believe it or not, there was a
> >time when Art actually posted here, but those days are long gone.
> >Once his show went nationwide, one of Art's earliest public on-air
> >displeasures was with a certain cadre of a-holes that populate this
> >newsgroup. You know, the pisant pipsqueaks that derive their juvenile
> >delights by flaming, belittling, and dissing on anyone who posts here,
> >especially if they try to discuss something seriously or ask for
> >information. Art didn't want this stuff going on in his name, so he
> >cut all ties to this newsgroup. I don't think he even bothers to lurk
> >anymore. Why would he?
>
>
> Now how would that explain all the other attempts at having discussion
> boards and mailing lists failing?
I remember him having a dial-in BBS **before** this group existed and
before he had a website. Then the internet exploded and along came
this group.
> He couldn't control the criticism
> there either and punked out.
I don't think it was the "criticism" per se. I think it was vicious
unreasoned flames, and people being rude, crude, and mean, just for
the fun of it. Before that no one knew that it was going to turn into
the wild wild west. Usenet was a more genteel place, say, pre-1995.
> Bell has never posted more than 3 or
> 4 messages. He doesn't have the balls to defend his bullshit, and
> never has.
Anyone who didn't like it could call in. His calls weren't screened.
**They** are the ball-less ones. I remember when he disassociated
himself from this group. He talked about it on the air. People were
posting things about him and his wife personally, as I recall.
Something like that. I don't blame him a bit.
Spread Eagle
DrPostman
wrote:
>DrPostman <Lo...@mysig.foremail> wrote in message news:<n22h8vcek4is892nb...@4ax.com>...
>I remember him having a dial-in BBS **before** this group existed and
>before he had a website. Then the internet exploded and along came
>this group.
I remember the BBS too. I even went there to get the pic of the
Hubble shot of the Eagle"s Head nebula.
>> He couldn't control the criticism
>> there either and punked out.
>
>I don't think it was the "criticism" per se. I think it was vicious
>unreasoned flames, and people being rude, crude, and mean, just for
>the fun of it. Before that no one knew that it was going to turn into
>the wild wild west. Usenet was a more genteel place, say, pre-1995.
Bell could never stand any criticism. Remember the credibility poll
on
his web site? That idea was short lived. He can't stand any sort
of criticism. That's why all the mailing lists and the web
discussions had to be shut down. Bell couldn't handle it.
>> Bell has never posted more than 3 or
>> 4 messages. He doesn't have the balls to defend his bullshit, and
>> never has.
>
>Anyone who didn't like it could call in. His calls weren't screened.
Pure bullshit. Many times over the years I have seen people come
here and post how they were cut off and hung up on with that "Do the
Wild Thing" recording with Bell claiming they were doing something
wrong - that something wrong was asking hard questions. THAT was
how he screened calls.
>**They** are the ball-less ones. I remember when he disassociated
>himself from this group. He talked about it on the air. People were
I remember it too. He called the regulars "a bunch of anonymous
cowards". The following day at least half of us posted our names
and numbers and dared him to call us. He never did.
>posting things about him and his wife personally, as I recall.
>Something like that. I don't blame him a bit.
They posted the truth, and it hurt him too much. But how does
that explain the failures of the mailing lists and bulletin boards
that were kept tightly censored? They died from Bell's control
issues.
Thomas Paine
wrote:
>Word is that Art has signed with Infinity and will be back on air soon ???
>He bought out his contract ???
>Anyone else hear that ?
>PLEASE, tell me it's true !
it's not, sorry
Infinity showed interest in late 2000 for Art but his demeanor at the
preliminary first meeting put the Kibosh on the offer
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>Trade-io, as in trade and radio. Art hosts an on air swap meet of
>sorts, with listeners from Pahrump or the Las Vegas relay station.
when it comes down to it, Art is a lame dog in the radio game.
LOSMYSTERIOS
>
>Personally, I think Art made his money and is enjoying life. If he
>comes back, it won't be soon.
>
I don't think Art likes staying with one thing for very long. I think he
was surprised when Coast/Dreamland took off like it did, and he does not appear
comfortable with "celebrity". He's a talented guy that also
happened to be in the right place at the right time. If he ever came
back in a national way, he should host a one-night-a-week show like
Dreamland was. He doesn't appear to have the patience to put in
a full week.
>What they really have to do is dump Barbara Simpson.
These last few weeks have not been her finest hour. Like Noory, her
star seems to be fading fast.
LosMysterios
LOSMYSTERIOS
>
>Almost all of talk radio is conservative. **Successful** talk radio, that is.
If any national talk show host were to declare themselves liberal and
begin advocating liberal ideas, well, it'd be the kiss of death for them.
>
Everyone has opinions, but do we really need to have various radio
hosts telling us versions of basically the same thing all day long? The
people who share the hosts' opinions already know they agree with them. Those
who don't agree already know they don't. All this does is
further entrench each side and ignore any meaningful exchange.
Everyone would be served better by having a little variety on the air.
But soon, one network will own every radio station in the country so
there's not much chance of that.
LosMysterios
Aozotorp
>Bell could never stand any criticism
Bell = How about Postal Unit Nutcase???
Spread Eagle
> Everyone has opinions, but do we really need to have various radio
> hosts telling us versions of basically the same thing all day long? The
> people who share the hosts' opinions already know they agree with them. Those
> who don't agree already know they don't. All this does is
> further entrench each side and ignore any meaningful exchange.
I agree with you, particularly on C2C, which is not really a political
show. But I don't see Barbara pushing her conservative views.
Callers challenge her, and she responds. On her own and without
provocation, she pretty much stays apolitical. Personally, I like
Barbara better than George, Better than Ian Punnett, and better than
Mike Siegle. My taste. YMMV.
> Everyone would be served better by having a little variety on the air.
> But soon, one network will own every radio station in the country so
> there's not much chance of that.
It's economics: What attracts listeners and what doesn't, and,
ultimately, what makes money and what doesn't. When someone comes
along with a different format that does those things, that different
format will then be all the rage.
Spread Eagle
Spread Eagle
> Bell could never stand any criticism. Remember the credibility poll
> on
> his web site? That idea was short lived. He can't stand any sort
> of criticism. That's why all the mailing lists and the web
> discussions had to be shut down. Bell couldn't handle it.
What Art couldn't handle was fame, especially the way he got it. He
went from a small market schtick to national fame virtually overnight,
and did it with a format and theme that left him wide open for
ridicule. He wasn't ready for it, and, basically, it was much more
than he wanted. He enjoyed the success and the money it brought, but
he didn't at all like the rest that came with it. The kookier his
shows were, the greater his success was, but the sharper the criticism
was too. The Hale-Bopp companion deal and the Heavens Gate suicides
was the beginning of the end for him. Add to that his doing his show
from his home in Parumph. You've got to figure that all national talk
show hosts get ample scorn and ridicule heaped on them from a hefty
percentage of the public. Look at Rush Limbaugh. You **know** that
alot of people give it to him in a way and in a volume that makes what
Bell got look like child's play. But Limbaugh doesn't let it bother
him, and he simply disappears into his South Florida jet set
lifestyle. Bell can't disappear in Parumph, because there's nowhere
to disappear to. Bell should've continued to do his show from a
studio in Vegas, and kept his mouth shut about living in Parumph,
thereby making his home there a private refuge from the craziness.
Either that, or he should have went a whole lot lighter on the
paranormal stuff. Personally, I always thought his "hard science"
shows were much better than the kooky stuff anyway. His network might
have grown more slowly, but it would have been a better program and it
wouldn't have burned him out. All in all, Bell didn't handle any of it
very well, and that's why he's gone.
Spread Eagle
Ruxoid
>show. But I don't see Barbara pushing her conservative views.
>Callers challenge her, and she responds. On her own and without
>provocation, she pretty much stays apolitical. Personally, I like
>Barbara better than George, Better than Ian Punnett, and better than
>Mike Siegle. My taste. YMMV.
Nonsence, Babs is very political and very God soaked. I quit listening to
Snorry, and I hoped to save at least the weekend stuff, but Babs started her
right wing shit, and frankly, that's not why I'd listen.
I have heard her be horrible to anyone with a differning opinion and on
numerous shows she has been pushing her God views like crazy.
I was happy Snorry stopped his God crap, but alas he's just to hard to listen
to. If I want religion or rightwing (or for that matter left wing) I know where
to go to hear it
Ya know, Ian, though a theology buff, never pushed his brand of God. I like
the guy.
"J R"
DrPostman
wrote:
>DrPostman <Lo...@mysig.foremail> wrote in message news:<5khh8voiggtk6a00q...@4ax.com>...
Do you remember, back in the mid 90's, when the show was run by the
callers, and not weird guests? THAT was when his show was good.
It was all the woo woo promotion that ended up causing so many
problems for him that he couldn't handle it.
Mr. Red
rux...@aol.compost (Ruxoid) wrote:
You gotta know she's out on the fringes of the far-right.
Read her columns at worldnetdaily http://www.wnd.com
Cheers,
Mr. Red
--
"There is the soft and willing and alcoholic blonde who doesn't care what
she wears as long as it is mink or where she goes as long as it is the
Starlight Room and there is plenty of dry champagne.
--Raymond Chandler
The Long Goodbye (1953)
Mr. Red
losmys...@aol.com (LOSMYSTERIOS) wrote:
Speaking of Dreamland...What ever happened to Shitley Strieber?
Notroll2003
Translation: Babs is a mean spirited right wingnut who has her Texas
big hair so far up Dubya's ass that he can taste the peroxide. She
does not listen to either her callers or her guests, is rude, and in a
comparison to the folks on Springer makes them seem like mental
giants. I suspect Babs needs a man. Badly.
Carl R. Osterwald
Eagle <red...@virtualhosts.net> wrote:
> DrPostman <Lo...@mysig.foremail> wrote in message
> news:<n22h8vcek4is892nb...@4ax.com>...
> > On 31 Mar 2003 08:33:00 -0800, red...@virtualhosts.net (Spread Eagle)
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > >You know, the pisant pipsqueaks that derive their juvenile
> > >delights by flaming, belittling, and dissing on anyone who posts here,
> > >especially if they try to discuss something seriously or ask for
> > >information. Art didn't want this stuff going on in his name, so he
> > >cut all ties to this newsgroup. I don't think he even bothers to lurk
> > >anymore. Why would he?
Bell deserved every bit of derision. *He* was the one giving a free
mouthpiece to Fake Wolf, the frozen burrito alien, Richard CEE, Major
Head Games, ad nauseum. And don't try to claim it all tongue-in-cheek,
he *never* introduced anyone that way. The only kooks that were banned
from the show were the ones that made Bell look bad somehow.
> >
> >
> > Now how would that explain all the other attempts at having discussion
> > boards and mailing lists failing?
>
> I remember him having a dial-in BBS **before** this group existed and
> before he had a website. Then the internet exploded and along came
> this group.
The timing is irrelevant, Bell and KKKeith did everything they could
to prevent any dissenting opinions.
> > He couldn't control the criticism
> > there either and punked out.
>
> I don't think it was the "criticism" per se. I think it was vicious
> unreasoned flames, and people being rude, crude, and mean, just for
> the fun of it. Before that no one knew that it was going to turn into
> the wild wild west.
Wrong, see above.
> Usenet was a more genteel place, say, pre-1995.
Also dead wrong, usenet has always been usenet.
-=-=-=-=-
"The Entities' message for the day is that they are space
colonists from Sirius, who initially had settled on the
Red Planet Mars, before moving on to our Earth."
-- Kansan1225 on window pane again.
-=ratz0fratzo=-
wrote:
>Bell deserved every bit of derision. *He* was the one giving a free
>mouthpiece to Fake Wolf, the frozen burrito alien, Richard CEE, Major
>Head Games, ad nauseum. And don't try to claim it all tongue-in-cheek,
>he *never* introduced anyone that way. The only kooks that were banned
>from the show were the ones that made Bell look bad somehow.
Or the ones that didn't make him any money. All those kooks were
peddling something; books, videos, how tos, merchandize, etc... And
Bell made something off all of that.
________________________________
-=ratz0fratzo=-
Spread Eagle
> Do you remember, back in the mid 90's, when the show was run by the
> callers, and not weird guests? THAT was when his show was good.
Much better show then, much more diverse topic-wise, and Art really
seemed to really enjoy doing it too. He was never sick in those days.
> It was all the woo woo promotion that ended up causing so many
> problems for him that he couldn't handle it.
Yeah, it was about the time that he first booked Ed Dames. That was
kind of a line of demarcation. It was at that point that Art began
giving kooks credibility. And you notice how he protected Dames? He
was always very careful about not exposing him to too much scrutiny,
and never really held his feet to the fire all of his predictions that
never panned out. He basically threw David John Oates overboard
because he did speech reversals on Dames. I don't know the
listenership numbers, and I don't know if they were ever made public,
but it's obvious that Art believed that listenership spiked up when
Dames was on. Oates was a pretty popular guest too, but Art must have
thought that Dames was more popular. Doing reversals on Dames was a
stupid thing for Oates to do, since it was obvious that Dames was
Art's pet. Oates killed a good gig that he himself had going with
Art. That whole deal was weird. The battle of the kooks.
Remote viewing was a legitimate topic for Art to investigate, and,
over the years, he had all of the original remote viewers on at one
time or another, including the grandaddy of it, Ingo Swann, which was
good, but Art put way too much stock in Dames. To the listeners, it
was obvious that other remote viewers had better bona fides with
remote viewing than Dames, and it was also obvious that **none** of
them, including his former Army colleagues, thought much of Dames.
That should've been a big clue to Art to go slowly with Dames. I
enjoyed listening to Dames, I admit, in a train wreck kind of way, but
a little bit of him went a long way. Once a year or even less often
would've been fine. In the end, Dames was pretty benign, but he is a
good example of Art selling out to the kook element.
Spread Eagle
Company Man
"Mr. Red" <drj...@spam.spam.spam.concentric.net> wrote in message news:drj2000-ya0230800...@news.concentric.net...
>
> Speaking of Dreamland...What ever happened to Shitley Strieber?
>
unknowncountry.com has been hosting internet - only editions of Dreamland, hosted by the annointed, abducted one... New show each Saturday; about 1 in 3 have been interesting so far.
DrPostman
Being "man enough" for Babs might be so horrifying a thought as to
be avoided for the sake of sanity.
DrPostman
wrote:
>Remote viewing was a legitimate topic for Art to investigate, and,
>over the years, he had all of the original remote viewers on at one
>time or another, including the grandaddy of it, Ingo Swann, which was
>good, but Art put way too much stock in Dames. To the listeners, it
>was obvious that other remote viewers had better bona fides with
>remote viewing than Dames, and it was also obvious that **none** of
>them, including his former Army colleagues, thought much of Dames.
>That should've been a big clue to Art to go slowly with Dames. I
>enjoyed listening to Dames, I admit, in a train wreck kind of way, but
>a little bit of him went a long way. Once a year or even less often
>would've been fine. In the end, Dames was pretty benign, but he is a
>good example of Art selling out to the kook element.
The night he had Kramer's (the Iron Butterfly band member who
disappeared) sister on was the last straw for me. It was about that
time I stopped listening. They way he allowed Dames to play with
that woman's emotions by claiming that he was 100% accurate
with his "viewing" of what happened to him (which proved to
be 100% wrong when they found his body) was despicable.
DrPostman
By "anointed" I suspect you are referring to those frequent anal
probes that he now misses so much, especially now that the
Greek Nights have been suspended.
LOSMYSTERIOS
>
>Ya know, Ian, though a theology buff, never pushed his brand of God. I like
the guy.
>
What comes across the airwaves with Ian is his respect for the
audience and different points of view. He reminds me of teachers
that care more about drawing students into discussions instead of ramming some
personal point of view or agenda down their throats.
Teachers that teach how to think instead of what to think.
LosMysterios
LOSMYSTERIOS
>
>What Art couldn't handle was fame, especially the way he got it. He
went from a small market schtick to national fame virtually overnight,
and did it with a format and theme that left him wide open for
ridicule. He wasn't ready for it, and, basically, it was much more
than he wanted. He enjoyed the success and the money it brought, but
he didn't at all like the rest that came with it.
>
Bell likes doing the show on his terms - when he wants, how he
wants, and with the audience at a safe distance. When he began to
understand how important he and his show were to some people,
this was the real beginning of the end. He doesn't want personal
fame. He doesn't want to be important to people. I remember a
caller he had one night (from Buffalo, I think). A lady called in and
told him how important he and the show had become to her. Bell seemed to
recoil a bit when he heard this, and after a pause replied
with something like "I don't know if I want to be that important
(to you)". That exchange spoke loudly.
LosMysterios
LOSMYSTERIOS
>
>Personally, I like Barbara better than George, Better than Ian Punnett, and
better than Mike Siegle. My taste. YMMV.
>
Whatever happened to Siegle? Is he still doing radio?
LosMysterios
Don Brady
>On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 20:59:23 -0500, Don Brady <dbr...@pobox.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Word is that Art has signed with Infinity and will be back on air soon ???
>>He bought out his contract ???
>>Anyone else hear that ?
>>PLEASE, tell me it's true !
>it's not, sorry
>Infinity showed interest in late 2000 for Art but his demeanor at the
>preliminary first meeting put the Kibosh on the offer
>
Please watch your attributions. I was quoting someone else - it's certainly
not my opinion - I just thought the rumor was interesting.
Spread Eagle
> Bell deserved every bit of derision. *He* was the one giving a free
> mouthpiece to Fake Wolf, the frozen burrito alien, Richard CEE, Major
> Head Games, ad nauseum. And don't try to claim it all tongue-in-cheek,
> he *never* introduced anyone that way. The only kooks that were banned
> from the show were the ones that made Bell look bad somehow.
It was all showmanship. The name of the game is money. That's what
it was always about. listeners = advertising = $$$
Follow the money, always. Besides, all that came later.
> The timing is irrelevant, Bell and KKKeith did everything they could
> to prevent any dissenting opinions.
Not *any* dissenting opinions. Just the crass ones, for the most
part.
> > > He couldn't control the criticism
> > > there either and punked out.
> Also dead wrong, usenet has always been usenet.
I've been online since 1988. Usenet was far different then. You
might be a good specimen to demonstrate how its changed. A living
example.
Spread Eagle
Carl R. Osterwald
Eagle <red...@virtualhosts.net> wrote:
> "Carl R. Osterwald" <i...@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:<010420031437498095%i...@mac.com>...
> > In article <7059619f.03033...@posting.google.com>, Spread
> > Eagle <red...@virtualhosts.net> wrote:
>
> > Bell deserved every bit of derision. *He* was the one giving a free
> > mouthpiece to Fake Wolf, the frozen burrito alien, Richard CEE, Major
> > Head Games, ad nauseum. And don't try to claim it all tongue-in-cheek,
> > he *never* introduced anyone that way. The only kooks that were banned
> > from the show were the ones that made Bell look bad somehow.
>
> It was all showmanship. The name of the game is money. That's what
> it was always about. listeners = advertising = $$$
> Follow the money, always. Besides, all that came later.
Nice evasion. How much revenue does water pipe magnet ads at 3 am
really generate?
> > The timing is irrelevant, Bell and KKKeith did everything they could
> > to prevent any dissenting opinions.
>
> Not *any* dissenting opinions. Just the crass ones, for the most
> part.
>
> > > > He couldn't control the criticism
> > > > there either and punked out.
>
> > Also dead wrong, usenet has always been usenet.
>
> I've been online since 1988.
Well pin a shiny cardboard star on you, I'm certainly impressed.
> Usenet was far different then. You
> might be a good specimen to demonstrate how its changed. A living
> example.
I guess you don't like having holes poked in the image of your hero.
Thomas Paine
>Translation: Babs is a mean spirited right wingnut who has her Texas
>big hair so far up Dubya's ass that he can taste the peroxide. She
>does not listen to either her callers or her guests, is rude, and in a
>comparison to the folks on Springer makes them seem like mental
>giants. I suspect Babs needs a man. Badly.
Well that lets you out, BTW are you naturally an intolerant asshole?,
or is that something they teach at the DNC seminars?
Thomas Paine
wrote:
>The only kooks that were banned
>from the show were the ones that made Bell look bad somehow.
OR couldn't pull a sale from whatever book/product/scam the "Guest"
was pushing.
Shon Howell
His greatest shame was Y2K... Gary North (a biblical apocolist, though
he hid that fact on C2C) was on every other week. Major Ed Dames was
pampered on that show, though he NEVER correctly predicted anything. Add
to that the fact that Art kicked David Oates out of the show rotation
for what sin? Why, doing a reverse of Dames and calling him a fraud. Art
went ballistic and not only shunned Oates, but badmouthed him
constantly. There's your truth-meister for you.
Notroll2003
"Thomas Paine" <1...@123.mil> wrote in message
news:uitn8voksd0da0f7s...@4ax.com...
> On 1 Apr 2003 11:02:17 -0800, notro...@aol.com (Notroll2003) wrote:
>
> >Translation: Babs is a mean spirited right wingnut who has her Texas
> >big hair so far up Dubya's ass that he can taste the peroxide. She
> >does not listen to either her callers or her guests, is rude, and in a
> >comparison to the folks on Springer makes them seem like mental
> >giants. I suspect Babs needs a man. Badly.
> Well that lets you out, BTW are you naturally an intolerant asshole?,
> or is that something they teach at the DNC seminars?
Poor TP. Like most right wing homophobic burger flipping trailer trash his
response to a comment is to make a feeble attempt to question someones
manhood. To the extent educated at all, no doubt a product of right wing
"Christian" education. And to think Dubya wants us to give these people our
tax money.
Notroll2003
"Shon Howell" <cathe...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3E8C619...@earthlink.net...
Dames percentage of correct predictions is closely correlated with TP's IQ.
Like way below room temperature.
Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)
<cathe...@earthlink.net> wrote in alt.fan.art-bell:
>
>His greatest shame was Y2K... Gary North (a biblical apocolist, though
>he hid that fact on C2C) was on every other week. Major Ed Dames was
>pampered on that show, though he NEVER correctly predicted anything. Add
>to that the fact that Art kicked David Oates out of the show rotation
>for what sin? Why, doing a reverse of Dames and calling him a fraud. Art
>went ballistic and not only shunned Oates, but badmouthed him
>constantly. There's your truth-meister for you.
>
I guess that tells us whose books were selling better, doesn't it?
--
V.G.
"THis was is easy -------------------- NONE"
"Hawkeye" solves the eternal mystery, in message-ID: <NVpaa.6189$Xo3.9...@news20.bellglobal.com>
(This sig file contains not less than 80% recycled SPAM)
Sarcasm is my sword, Apathy is my shield.
Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)
<notro...@charter.net> wrote in alt.fan.art-bell:
>
>"Thomas Paine" <1...@123.mil> wrote in message
>news:uitn8voksd0da0f7s...@4ax.com...
>> On 1 Apr 2003 11:02:17 -0800, notro...@aol.com (Notroll2003) wrote:
>>
>> >Translation: Babs is a mean spirited right wingnut who has her Texas
>> >big hair so far up Dubya's ass that he can taste the peroxide. She
>> >does not listen to either her callers or her guests, is rude, and in a
>> >comparison to the folks on Springer makes them seem like mental
>> >giants. I suspect Babs needs a man. Badly.
>> Well that lets you out, BTW are you naturally an intolerant asshole?,
>> or is that something they teach at the DNC seminars?
>
>Poor TP. Like most right wing homophobic burger flipping trailer trash his
>response to a comment is to make a feeble attempt to question someones
>manhood.
No one's questioning your "manhood". I'm sure it's not only quite
real, but frighteningly large, in your fevered imagination.
Mr. Doobie
"LOSMYSTERIOS" <losmys...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030331213701...@mb-ff.aol.com...
<snippage for spacage>
> I don't think Art likes staying with one thing for very long.
Well whaddaya expect? He's a Gemini Sun! :-D
--
"Once free ideas are out of CASSANDRA'S box
nobody but nobody can stuff them back in again."
-- Sidereal astrologer Hugh Jeffcoat demonstrates
his vast knowledge of ancient Greek mythology
Mr. Doobie
"Shon Howell" <cathe...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3E8C619...@earthlink.net...
<snippage for spacage>
> His greatest shame was Y2K... Gary North (a biblical apocolist, though
> he hid that fact on C2C) was on every other week.
Perhaps not his greatest shame but certainly a mistake. At the time, I
thought it was wise to be concerned about Y2K potentialities, which was a
rather different thing than being hysterically apocolyptic about it, IMHO.
When January 2000 rolled around, the only difficulties of note that occured
were some ultimately benign screw-ups with air-traffic control computers
(not suprising, since some of those ATC computers are older than I am, and I
was born in 1967!). By the middle of the month, I was far more concerned
about dealing with my usual dysfucntional family crap than about Y2K. I
remember reading an article on the Internet posted by a Y2K apologist circa
February/ March 2000, which claimed that ordinary people who knew nothing
about computers were in no position to say whether or not Y2K had actually
panned out as a problem. Perhaps so, but the problem with this contention
was that these Y2K people were saying that the near-total collapse of modern
techonological society would be precipitated by Y2K and that it was too late
to do anything about it. This clearly did not come to pass, evidenced by
the fact that I was able to turn on my puter and read that article. :-D
I don't think the Heaven's Gate tragedy was actually Art's fault. The
cultists said in their departing note that they were ending their lives
because they believed the comet heralded the opening of some kind of
metaphysical dimenional portal (hence the name of the cult), not because
they wanted to be on some spaceship that was supposedly travelling with
Hale-Bopp (a pretty kook klaim, I will admit). Besides, the true fault in
all such cult tragedies resides with the cult leader to whom the members
make the mistake of giving away their personal spiritual power.
The thing about Art that disturbed me the most was learning that his format
prior to the Oklahoma City bombing was a militia format where many guests
advocated what might be construed as terroristic acts. President Clinton in
an address to the nation did say that he held far-right talk-radio partially
responsible for the OC tragedy. Whatever you may have thought of Clinton,
he was not a stupid man, and McVeigh could very well have been fired up by
things he heard from one or more of Art's militia-type guests (though the
psychological effects of Gulf War Syndrome may have contributed to McVeigh's
degeneration; perhaps I'm biased because McVeigh was a Taurus Sun, Pisces
Moon like me, and I don't want to believe someone with personality-template
similar to mine could do such a thing unless something more significant than
nutty talk-radio damaged his brain!).
--
MR. DOOBIE
Sun in Taurus
Moon in Pisces
Cancer Rising
LOSMYSTERIOS
>February/ March 2000, which claimed that ordinary people who knew nothing
about computers were in no position to say whether or not Y2K had actually
panned out as a problem. Perhaps so, but the problem with this contention was
that these Y2K people were saying that the near-total collapse of modern
techonological society would be precipitated by Y2K and that it was too late to
do anything about it.
>
The collapse of modern technological society will not be brought
about by machines. It will be brought about the old-fashioned way,
by the actions of human beings. That is, unless one of the hundreds
of rogue asteriods that are whizzing by gets us first.
(snips)
>I don't think the Heaven's Gate tragedy was actually Art's fault.
>
>Besides, the true fault in all such cult tragedies resides with the cult
leader to whom the members make the mistake of giving away their personal
spiritual power.
>
You say the true fault resides with the cult leader to whom the
members make the mistake of giving away their personal spiritual
power. I don't agree. The greater fault is not with the leader, but
with all the people who decide to be robots and give up their personal power to
him. Without people surrending this power to them, any
leader is nothing. Leaders all over are vying for our attention and
allegience. The power is always within us, not them. It is our
ultimate responsibility to choose wisely.
LosMysterios
DrPostman
<stop...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>The thing about Art that disturbed me the most was learning that his format
>prior to the Oklahoma City bombing was a militia format where many guests
>advocated what might be construed as terroristic acts. President Clinton in
>an address to the nation did say that he held far-right talk-radio partially
>responsible for the OC tragedy.
Bell did let a few nut jobs on that went too far back then. But by
and large the callers ran the show and it was great fun to listen to.
The Benson cartoon really got to Bell. He wanted to sue Benson.
All the cartoon had was Bell's name (among many others) on a pennant
hanging from the antennae off a radio back pack on a well armed
militia nut. When Linda Howe threatened to march to Washington
and hang congress by the lamp poles Bell stopped letting her on
the air. It was about this time that Bell started having more and
more "paranormal" guests on his show and it went all the way down
the woo woo hill from there.
I loved the show when it was caller driven. I wish some other show
would do that.
--
Dr.Postman USPS, MBMC, BsD; "Disgruntled, But Unarmed"
Member,Board of Directors of afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULT® member #15-51506-253.
You can email me at: jamieeckles(at)hotmail.com
Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)
>Whatever you may have thought of Clinton,
>he was not a stupid man, and McVeigh could very well have been fired up by
>things he heard from one or more of Art's militia-type guests (though the
>psychological effects of Gulf War Syndrome may have contributed to McVeigh's
>degeneration; perhaps I'm biased because McVeigh was a Taurus Sun, Pisces
>Moon like me, and I don't want to believe someone with personality-template
>similar to mine could do such a thing unless something more significant than
>nutty talk-radio damaged his brain!).
>--
>MR. DOOBIE
>Sun in Taurus
>Moon in Pisces
>Cancer Rising
>
Put your fears to rest. Since asstrology is all bullshit anyway, you
may rest easy in the knowledge that McVeigh was not poisoned by the
celestial bodies, or the Gulf War, and that his predisposition towards
having a weak mind was taken advantage of by his militia buddies,
after he came back to "the world".
Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)
in alt.fan.art-bell:
>You say the true fault resides with the cult leader to whom the
>members make the mistake of giving away their personal spiritual
>power. I don't agree. The greater fault is not with the leader, but
>with all the people who decide to be robots and give up their personal power to
>him. Without people surrending this power to them, any
>leader is nothing. Leaders all over are vying for our attention and
>allegience. The power is always within us, not them. It is our
>ultimate responsibility to choose wisely.
>
>LosMysterios
Cults prey upon the mentally weak, whose numbers are Legion. Do not
expect the phenomenon to dissipate any time soon.
Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)
wrote in alt.fan.art-bell:
>On Sun, 6 Apr 2003 15:08:35 -0500, "Mr. Doobie"
><stop...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>>The thing about Art that disturbed me the most was learning that his format
>>prior to the Oklahoma City bombing was a militia format where many guests
>>advocated what might be construed as terroristic acts. President Clinton in
>>an address to the nation did say that he held far-right talk-radio partially
>>responsible for the OC tragedy.
>
>Bell did let a few nut jobs on that went too far back then. But by
>and large the callers ran the show and it was great fun to listen to.
>The Benson cartoon really got to Bell. He wanted to sue Benson.
>All the cartoon had was Bell's name (among many others) on a pennant
>hanging from the antennae off a radio back pack on a well armed
>militia nut. When Linda Howe threatened to march to Washington
>and hang congress by the lamp poles Bell stopped letting her on
>the air.
Linda Howe is also seriously k00ky, and should also be banned from
being on the radio, but it was actually a different Linda-k00k, Linda
Thompson, who called for the armed march on Washington.
DrPostman
<vgor...@pobox.alaska.net> wrote:
>On Mon, 07 Apr 2003 03:25:54 GMT, DrPostman <Lo...@mysig.foremail>
>wrote in alt.fan.art-bell:
>
>>On Sun, 6 Apr 2003 15:08:35 -0500, "Mr. Doobie"
>><stop...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The thing about Art that disturbed me the most was learning that his format
>>>prior to the Oklahoma City bombing was a militia format where many guests
>>>advocated what might be construed as terroristic acts. President Clinton in
>>>an address to the nation did say that he held far-right talk-radio partially
>>>responsible for the OC tragedy.
>>
>>Bell did let a few nut jobs on that went too far back then. But by
>>and large the callers ran the show and it was great fun to listen to.
>>The Benson cartoon really got to Bell. He wanted to sue Benson.
>>All the cartoon had was Bell's name (among many others) on a pennant
>>hanging from the antennae off a radio back pack on a well armed
>>militia nut. When Linda Howe threatened to march to Washington
>>and hang congress by the lamp poles Bell stopped letting her on
>>the air.
>
>Linda Howe is also seriously k00ky, and should also be banned from
>being on the radio, but it was actually a different Linda-k00k, Linda
>Thompson, who called for the armed march on Washington.
Aha, I got my Lindas mixed up.
Carl R. Osterwald
<Lo...@mysig.foremail> wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Apr 2003 21:56:47 -0800, "Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)"
> <vgor...@pobox.alaska.net> wrote:
>
> >Linda Howe is also seriously k00ky, and should also be banned from
> >being on the radio, but it was actually a different Linda-k00k, Linda
> >Thompson, who called for the armed march on Washington.
>
>
> Aha, I got my Lindas mixed up.
>
Oh yeah, she was the one "analysing" IR images from Waco.
Jack
> On Mon, 07 Apr 2003 21:56:47 -0800, "Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)"
> <vgor...@pobox.alaska.net> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 07 Apr 2003 03:25:54 GMT, DrPostman <Lo...@mysig.foremail>
> >wrote in alt.fan.art-bell:
> >
> >>On Sun, 6 Apr 2003 15:08:35 -0500, "Mr. Doobie"
> >><stop...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>The thing about Art that disturbed me the most was learning that his format
> >>>prior to the Oklahoma City bombing was a militia format where many guests
> >>>advocated what might be construed as terroristic acts. President Clinton in
> >>>an address to the nation did say that he held far-right talk-radio partially
> >>>responsible for the OC tragedy.
> >>
> >>Bell did let a few nut jobs on that went too far back then. But by
> >>and large the callers ran the show and it was great fun to listen to.
> >>The Benson cartoon really got to Bell. He wanted to sue Benson.
> >>All the cartoon had was Bell's name (among many others) on a pennant
> >>hanging from the antennae off a radio back pack on a well armed
> >>militia nut. When Linda Howe threatened to march to Washington
> >>and hang congress by the lamp poles Bell stopped letting her on
> >>the air.
> >
> >Linda Howe is also seriously k00ky, and should also be banned from
> >being on the radio, but it was actually a different Linda-k00k, Linda
> >Thompson, who called for the armed march on Washington.
>
>
> Aha, I got my Lindas mixed up.
>
my first recollection of bell was sometime in 1997, but by then he had
established C2C as a paranormal/UFO style show. his original Vegas
station KDWN 720 was and remains a voice for gubbermint conspiracy
nuts/sagebrush rebels and can be heard over quite a bit of Nevada,
southern California and Arizona at night so art, when he started, must
have been another in this parade of kooks. When did art tone down the
politics? in '97, I don't remember any really outrageous political
rants. in fact, when he gave the interview to Penthouse (?) (maybe
this was the night of the "crying man" from Area 51/satellite uplink
loss) he pointed out that he would cut off any caller who proposed
armed rebellion or killing of government officials.
I wish he hadn't died.
el...@no.spam
DrPostman <Lo...@mysig.foremail> wrote:
>Aha, I got my Lindas mixed up.
That's ok. But be very careful with the Ricks.
DrPostman
>my first recollection of bell was sometime in 1997, but by then he had
>established C2C as a paranormal/UFO style show. his original Vegas
>station KDWN 720 was and remains a voice for gubbermint conspiracy
>nuts/sagebrush rebels and can be heard over quite a bit of Nevada,
>southern California and Arizona at night so art, when he started, must
>have been another in this parade of kooks. When did art tone down the
>politics? in '97, I don't remember any really outrageous political
>rants. in fact, when he gave the interview to Penthouse (?) (maybe
>this was the night of the "crying man" from Area 51/satellite uplink
>loss) he pointed out that he would cut off any caller who proposed
>armed rebellion or killing of government officials.
>
>I wish he hadn't died.
It was back in 96 when he would still have people like Charlie Liberal
on. He owes Charlie $1000 over a bet they made on the air that
Clinton would not get reelected. Bell welshed on the bet. Just
another reason to push the woo woo guests.
--
Dr.Postman USPS, MBMC, BsD; "Disgruntled, But Unarmed"
Member,Board of Directors of afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULT® member #15-51506-253.
You can email me at: eckles(at)midsouth.rr.com
Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)
wrote in alt.fan.art-bell:
>On Mon, 07 Apr 2003 21:56:47 -0800, "Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)"
><vgor...@pobox.alaska.net> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 07 Apr 2003 03:25:54 GMT, DrPostman <Lo...@mysig.foremail>
>>wrote in alt.fan.art-bell:
>>
>>>On Sun, 6 Apr 2003 15:08:35 -0500, "Mr. Doobie"
>>><stop...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>The thing about Art that disturbed me the most was learning that his format
>>>>prior to the Oklahoma City bombing was a militia format where many guests
>>>>advocated what might be construed as terroristic acts. President Clinton in
>>>>an address to the nation did say that he held far-right talk-radio partially
>>>>responsible for the OC tragedy.
>>>
>>>Bell did let a few nut jobs on that went too far back then. But by
>>>and large the callers ran the show and it was great fun to listen to.
>>>The Benson cartoon really got to Bell. He wanted to sue Benson.
>>>All the cartoon had was Bell's name (among many others) on a pennant
>>>hanging from the antennae off a radio back pack on a well armed
>>>militia nut. When Linda Howe threatened to march to Washington
>>>and hang congress by the lamp poles Bell stopped letting her on
>>>the air.
>>
>>Linda Howe is also seriously k00ky, and should also be banned from
>>being on the radio, but it was actually a different Linda-k00k, Linda
>>Thompson, who called for the armed march on Washington.
>
>
>Aha, I got my Lindas mixed up.
It's quite understandable.
Thomas Paine
<vgor...@pobox.alaska.net> wrote:
>No one's questioning your "manhood". I'm sure it's not only quite
>real, but frighteningly large, in your fevered imagination.
its a real example of the left wing's paranoia fuel'd world, reading
comprehension falls at the same rate as their parties's credibility
loveable losers!
Thomas Paine
>Poor TP. Like most right wing homophobic burger flipping trailer trash his
>response to a comment is to make a feeble attempt to question someones
>manhood. To the extent educated at all, no doubt a product of right wing
>"Christian" education. And to think Dubya wants us to give these people our
>tax money.
>
Evasion Noted
Please answer the question you left wing intolerable secular-humanist
fraudulent hypocrite.