Re: ISLAM: CALL IT A CULT AND SHUT IT DOWN!

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Now watch the atheist kooks defend islam.

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ISLAM: CALL IT A CULT AND SHUT IT DOWN!

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=95548
http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_8241.shtml
May 17, 2005
J. Grant Swank, Jr.

Islam is a cult — a killing cult. America shuts down killing cults.

Then let’s do it. Islam is labeled as a world religion. Is it? If you
want to categorize it as that, go ahead. But it’s more than a world
religion. It’s a killing cult. And that foremost.

There is no other religion on the planet that sets forth killing as
its prime postulate. Buddhism, Hinduism, Confucianism, Shintoism,
Judaism, and Christianity do not set forth the dictum that devotees
kill off non-devotees.

Islam, sometimes referred to as the Muslim religion, dictates,
according to its deity, Allah, that Islamics kill all non-Islamics.
The latter are called "infidels." That would mean that the planet
eventually would be populated only by Islamics. That is the goal of
Islam — to extinguish all others than their own.

That’s a cult — plain and simple. Killing off is the ethic. Murder it
the moral base. Slaying is the virtue.

And to commit suicide in order to see through the leveling of
non-Muslims guarantees males an eternity of cavorting sexually with
females "on the other side." There is nothing promised females for
women don’t count except for dung in Islam.

In reality then, according to the Christian faith, Islam does have its
actual quotients. It’s not merely a myth. It’s a reality spun from a
literal hell. Therefore, Allah is Lucifer. The Koran is demented
revelation from demons. Mosques are meeting places for demonic
preaching and activity. Clerics are agents from The Pit.

There is no such person as a holy deity in Islam. There is no such
book as a Holy Book in Islam. There are no such persons as holy clergy
in Islam.

There is no gospel in Islam — no good news of salvation. There is only
the promise of orgies aplenty in the next sphere, that is, for the
suicide prone. And for the others, an eternity in Islam paradise, the
definition left to Allah.

Now there are Islamics who contest all of this. These are Muslims who
are not at all knowledgeable concerning their own cult. They are akin
to church goers within Christendom who are ignorant of the Bible and
Christian doctrine.

In any religion there are those who go along for the ride but have
little or no idea the details about the map. It’s the same with Islam.
There are therefore those Islamics who are aghast when the truth about
their cult is spelled out.

For instance, the webmaster of Faithfreedom.org spends most of his
time dialoguing with naïve Muslims. He, an ex-Muslim, knows the
reality of Islam being a killing cult. He seeks via his site to expose
Islam as just that.

However, he gets numerous communications daily from Muslims who
contest his every revelation. These Muslims, in other words, are the
Islamics along for the ride. They pray five times a day. They attend a
mosque or don’t attend a mosque. They wear the garb or don’t wear the
garb. They have certain rituals that they see through. However, as to
the killing dictates of the Koran, they are ignorant.

America must come to its senses. With that, America must call Islam
what it is — a murdering scheme by which to wipe out Americans except
those Muslims now inhabiting the nation.

The killing cult then is not to be tolerated by the White House,
Congress, the Supreme Court, the National Educational Association, the
World Council of Churches, the National Council of Churches, any
Christian denomination, any Jewish body, any town hall, no one.

It’s insane for a democracy such as the United States to remain so
utterly naïve about Islam. Further, it’s suicide for our politic to
continue to baptize Islam as a "peace religion."

It’s asking for big time trouble to continue to court Muslims in the
school systems, even inviting them to speak to faculty and
administration, as is done in some school districts.

In a high school near where I live there is even a room set aside for
Muslim students to go to pray there five times a day. I don’t know of
any accommodations made for Jews or Christians who may seek to pray in
a prayer room during a school day, let alone any tolerance for these
two religions’ holy days to be observed within the school year.

Islam fosters "honor killing." That is the custom of killing Muslim
women who offend males. The Muslim female is considered cursed from
conception. She has ten curses upon her existence. The curse is
defined as exposing her genitals publicly. Therefore, the female is as
dung to the male community. That’s why she is garbed from head to
foot, never revealing her identity, thus voiding her of
self-expression and self-respect.

If the Muslim woman offends the Muslim male in any way, she may be
shot in the head or her neck slit. Hussein’s soccer stadiums were not
used so much for athletics as for shooting Muslim women in the head.

Slaying the offending female is to retain the honor of the household.
She must be done away with in order for the family not to lose its
respect. That is known as "honor killing." It happens every day
somewhere.

Sometimes it’s reported to the local police; most of the time it’s not
for the local police are males who back up the killing males.
Sometimes it’s reported in the local paper; most of the time it’s not.
Why make a fuss?

Therefore, Islam not only kills off non-Islamics but also its own,
particularly its females. Further, Islam kills off Islamics who do not
follow through with the Koran killing dictates. That is, if a Muslim
refuses to wipe out a non-Muslim, that Muslim is up for being slain by
a devout Muslim.

Now in America that is not easy to see through because of our laws.
But in Muslim countries it is easy to take care of. If a Muslim is
expected to murder a non-Muslim in a particular situation, yet
refuses, that Muslim is to be slain for being a renegade. Cowardly
Muslims cannot be tolerated. A backslidden Muslim must be done away
with as an example to others to abide by the Koran killing paragraphs.

Killing is the alpha and omega of Islam. Murdering is the fine virtue.
Slaying is the predominant ethic. Therefore, Islam is a killing cult.

It has nothing in common with the other world religions, though its
public relations arm says that it does. But it does not for Islamics
lie. They lie because lying is permitted as a part of the overtaking
of the world for Allah.

An example of the daily Islamic lie is the web site for CAIR — Council
for American-Islamic Relations. It’s not only a web site but also has
satellite offices throughout the nation.

CAIR inverts everything about Islam in order to make that cult to
appear civil. It says that there is no such thing as a killing
dictate, no such demand of murdering infidels, no "honor killing," no
mosque infiltration to take over communities, no clerics out to
unravel America, no Koran paragraphs setting forth Allah’s demands to
slaughter. CAIR lies.

To read the CAIR web site would give the impression that it’s an off
shoot of some local civic organization. In other words, CAIR is out to
do good for America, to foster pleasant relations with other religions
and to enhance the local village. That’s CAIR’s party line — the lie
for the killing cult known as a religion.

CAIR lies. Whatever you read on CAIR’s web site, just read into it the
opposite and you will derive the truth from that site. That kind of
lying goes on around the world via the Islamic public relations
efforts on the Internet, literature handouts, local seminars in
mosques and so forth.

Now America has lived with a bundle of ignoramuses who have espoused
their nonsense from ocean to ocean. But America never tolerates those
ignoramuses who set forth killing innocent citizens of this country.

Yet Islam does just that. It exists to kill us all off, one by one.

Consequently, America, from the White House down to the local
villager, must wipe out Islam from this nation or it will eventually
wipe us out. It’s that stark a threat.

And for those Americans who care about the world, the same goes for
every country on the globe. Every nation, other than the Muslim
countries, is under fire from the Islamics. Every nation, none
excluded.

Therefore, it’s past time for the world community, excluding of course
the killing Muslim nations, to put to flight this global cult intent
on doing us all in.

FOOTNOTE:

SLAY THE NON-MUSLIMS: DIRECT QUOTES FROM THE QURAN

2:191, And slay them wherever ye catch them.

4:84, Then fight in Allah’s cause.

4:141, And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way (to
triumph) over the believers.

5:33, The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His
Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the
land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and
feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their
disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the
Hereafter.

8:12, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite
ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.

8:17, It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah.

8:60, Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your
power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of)
the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye
may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the
cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated
unjustly.

8:65, O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty
amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred:
if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers.

9:5, But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the
Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie
in wait for them in every stratagem.

9:14, Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them
with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of
Believers,

9:23, O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your
brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so,
they do wrong.

9:28, O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not,
after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque.

9:29, Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold
that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger,
nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the
People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission,
and feel themselves subdued.

9:39, Unless ye go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish you with a
grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not
harm in the least.

9:73, O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the
Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell - an evil
refuge indeed.

9:111, Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their
goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight
in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in
truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur’an

9:123, O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and
let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who
fear Him.

22:9, (Disdainfully) bending his side, in order to lead (men) astray
from the Path of Allah: for him there is disgrace in this life, and on
the Day of Judgment We shall make him taste the Penalty of burning
(Fire).

22:19-22, These two antagonists dispute with each other about their
Lord: But those who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a
garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water.
With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as
(their) skins. In addition there will be maces of iron (to punish)
them. Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they
will be forced back therein, and (it will be said), "Taste ye the
Penalty of Burning!"

25:52, So obey not the disbelievers, but strive against them herewith
with a great endeavour.

25:68, Those who invoke not, with Allah, any other god, nor slay such
life as Allah has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit
fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment.
(But) the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to him, and
he will dwell therein in ignominy.

37:22-23, "Bring ye up", it shall be said, "The wrong-doers and their
wives, and the things they worshipped- Besides Allah, and lead them to
the Way to the (Fierce) Fire!

47:4, Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at
their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a
bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity
or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.

48:13, And if any believe not in Allah and His Messenger, We have
prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!

48:29, Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him
are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each
other.

69:30-37, (The stern command will say): "Seize ye him, and bind ye
him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a
chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would
not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of
the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food
except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat
but those in sin."

FaithFreedom.org site states: Advance permission is given for any
article of this site to be printed free of charge with attribution to
the author and the site.

Moderate Mammal

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On Tue, 17 May 2005 18:35:44 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-a...@org.webmaster> wrote:

>In our last episode <3esk81p6q2sjo06ri...@4ax.com>, Moderate
>Mammal pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:

>
>> There is no other religion on the planet that sets forth killing as its
>> prime postulate. Buddhism, Hinduism, Confucianism, Shintoism, Judaism, and
>> Christianity do not set forth the dictum that devotees kill off
>> non-devotees.
>

>And yet Christianity was one of the driving forces behind the near total
>extermination of an entire continent of human beings.
>

I told you so. Bwhahahahaha!

--
Keith

>Funny that...

Zephyr

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May 17, 2005, 7:39:42 PM5/17/05

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Might perhaps not be the best of references but look at what some Indians
have put up here:

http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/

Go down the first few paragraphs and check out the articles about the
"wonders" of this cult. Some home truths there, boys and girls.

Break some fresh wind.

Zephyr

"Moderate Mammal" <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> ISLAM: CALL IT A CULT AND SHUT IT DOWN!
>
> http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=95548
> http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_8241.shtml
> May 17, 2005
> J. Grant Swank, Jr.
>

> Islam is a cult - a killing cult. America shuts down killing cults.

>
> Then let's do it. Islam is labeled as a world religion. Is it? If you
> want to categorize it as that, go ahead. But it's more than a world
> religion. It's a killing cult. And that foremost.
>
> There is no other religion on the planet that sets forth killing as
> its prime postulate. Buddhism, Hinduism, Confucianism, Shintoism,
> Judaism, and Christianity do not set forth the dictum that devotees
> kill off non-devotees.
>
> Islam, sometimes referred to as the Muslim religion, dictates,
> according to its deity, Allah, that Islamics kill all non-Islamics.
> The latter are called "infidels." That would mean that the planet
> eventually would be populated only by Islamics. That is the goal of

> Islam - to extinguish all others than their own.
>
> That's a cult - plain and simple. Killing off is the ethic. Murder it

> the moral base. Slaying is the virtue.
>
> And to commit suicide in order to see through the leveling of
> non-Muslims guarantees males an eternity of cavorting sexually with
> females "on the other side." There is nothing promised females for
> women don't count except for dung in Islam.
>
> In reality then, according to the Christian faith, Islam does have its
> actual quotients. It's not merely a myth. It's a reality spun from a
> literal hell. Therefore, Allah is Lucifer. The Koran is demented
> revelation from demons. Mosques are meeting places for demonic
> preaching and activity. Clerics are agents from The Pit.
>
> There is no such person as a holy deity in Islam. There is no such
> book as a Holy Book in Islam. There are no such persons as holy clergy
> in Islam.
>

> There is no gospel in Islam - no good news of salvation. There is only

> the promise of orgies aplenty in the next sphere, that is, for the
> suicide prone. And for the others, an eternity in Islam paradise, the
> definition left to Allah.
>
> Now there are Islamics who contest all of this. These are Muslims who
> are not at all knowledgeable concerning their own cult. They are akin
> to church goers within Christendom who are ignorant of the Bible and
> Christian doctrine.
>
> In any religion there are those who go along for the ride but have
> little or no idea the details about the map. It's the same with Islam.
> There are therefore those Islamics who are aghast when the truth about
> their cult is spelled out.
>
> For instance, the webmaster of Faithfreedom.org spends most of his
> time dialoguing with naïve Muslims. He, an ex-Muslim, knows the
> reality of Islam being a killing cult. He seeks via his site to expose
> Islam as just that.
>
> However, he gets numerous communications daily from Muslims who
> contest his every revelation. These Muslims, in other words, are the
> Islamics along for the ride. They pray five times a day. They attend a
> mosque or don't attend a mosque. They wear the garb or don't wear the
> garb. They have certain rituals that they see through. However, as to
> the killing dictates of the Koran, they are ignorant.
>
> America must come to its senses. With that, America must call Islam

> what it is - a murdering scheme by which to wipe out Americans except

> An example of the daily Islamic lie is the web site for CAIR - Council

> for American-Islamic Relations. It's not only a web site but also has
> satellite offices throughout the nation.
>
> CAIR inverts everything about Islam in order to make that cult to
> appear civil. It says that there is no such thing as a killing
> dictate, no such demand of murdering infidels, no "honor killing," no
> mosque infiltration to take over communities, no clerics out to
> unravel America, no Koran paragraphs setting forth Allah's demands to
> slaughter. CAIR lies.
>
> To read the CAIR web site would give the impression that it's an off
> shoot of some local civic organization. In other words, CAIR is out to
> do good for America, to foster pleasant relations with other religions

> and to enhance the local village. That's CAIR's party line - the lie

Mark K. Bilbo

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May 17, 2005, 7:35:44 PM5/17/05

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In our last episode <3esk81p6q2sjo06ri...@4ax.com>, Moderate
Mammal pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:

> There is no other religion on the planet that sets forth killing as its

> prime postulate. Buddhism, Hinduism, Confucianism, Shintoism, Judaism, and
> Christianity do not set forth the dictum that devotees kill off
> non-devotees.

And yet Christianity was one of the driving forces behind the near total

extermination of an entire continent of human beings.

Funny that...

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Mike Painter

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May 17, 2005, 8:07:54 PM5/17/05

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Moderate Mammal wrote:
> ISLAM: CALL IT A CULT AND SHUT IT DOWN!

I'm to lazy to quote all the christian reasons for killing but we should let
the Muslim death score catch up first before shutting them down.

>
>
> Fed up with illegal immigration?

Then stop making it illegal.

Mark K. Bilbo

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May 17, 2005, 8:45:11 PM5/17/05

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In our last episode <rvvk81hb00p1snql1...@4ax.com>, Moderate

Mammal pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:

> On Tue, 17 May 2005 18:35:44 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
> <alt-a...@org.webmaster> wrote:
>
>>In our last episode <3esk81p6q2sjo06ri...@4ax.com>,
>>Moderate Mammal pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
>>
>>> There is no other religion on the planet that sets forth killing as its
>>> prime postulate. Buddhism, Hinduism, Confucianism, Shintoism, Judaism,
>>> and Christianity do not set forth the dictum that devotees kill off
>>> non-devotees.
>>
>>And yet Christianity was one of the driving forces behind the near total
>>extermination of an entire continent of human beings.
>>
>>
> I told you so. Bwhahahahaha!

There's some guys in some real cool white jackets that wanna see you...

John Griffin

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Moderate Mammal <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 17 May 2005 22:43:25 GMT, Moderate Mammal
> <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote:
>
> <snipped>
>
> Now watch the atheist kooks defend islam.

Watch for a stream of reminders of some of the centuries-past
misbehavior of Christians in "defense" of that disgusting,
primitive cult. So far, everyone who has been stupid enough to
argue in favor of Islam has been stupid enough to think that
those things justify the backward cult's savagery.

Islam can not ever be a part of human civilization, because The
Pervert Mohammed dictated every moment of the primitive life of a
Mohammedan in his stupid fucking book. Any Moslem who tries to
join the 21st century (or even the 18th) forfeits his life.

Islam is a cancer.

AnonMoos

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May 17, 2005, 9:40:14 PM5/17/05

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Why is it that people who think they know more than they actually do
are so fond of using the completely bogus and non-existent word
"Islamics"?

--
Hamas motto: لا إله لهم
إلا الموت،
«حماس» رسول
الموت (The death-worshipping cult)
Murderers are not martyrs! http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/

Jeffrey McCann

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"AnonMoos" <anon...@io.com> wrote in message
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> Why is it that people who think they know more than they actually do
> are so fond of using the completely bogus and non-existent word
> "Islamics"?

Please explain.

Jeff

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May 17, 2005, 9:39:09 PM5/17/05

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Most Muslims do not kill anyone.

Mike Painter

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May 17, 2005, 9:46:06 PM5/17/05

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AnonMoos wrote:
> Why is it that people who think they know more than they actually do
> are so fond of using the completely bogus and non-existent word
> "Islamics"?

http://www.nelc.ucla.edu/Courses_Islamics.htm

Where UCLA offers a course in apparently nothing since we have it that the
word does not exist.
Near the top of 33,400 Google hits on "Islamics"

chibiabos

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May 17, 2005, 9:47:40 PM5/17/05

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In article <3esk81p6q2sjo06ri...@4ax.com>, Moderate
Mammal <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote:

> ISLAM: CALL IT A CULT AND SHUT IT DOWN!
>
> http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=95548
> http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_8241.shtml
> May 17, 2005
> J. Grant Swank, Jr.
>
> Islam is a cult — a killing cult. America shuts down killing cults.
>
> Then let’s do it. Islam is labeled as a world religion. Is it? If you
> want to categorize it as that, go ahead. But it’s more than a world
> religion. It’s a killing cult. And that foremost.
>
> There is no other religion on the planet that sets forth killing as
> its prime postulate. Buddhism, Hinduism, Confucianism, Shintoism,
> Judaism, and Christianity do not set forth the dictum that devotees
> kill off non-devotees.

Christianity is founded on the notion of killing someone, you idiot.

-chib

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NerdRevenge

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May 17, 2005, 9:52:03 PM5/17/05

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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-a...@org.webmaster> wrote in message
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> In our last episode <3esk81p6q2sjo06ri...@4ax.com>, Moderate
> Mammal pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
>
>> There is no other religion on the planet that sets forth killing as its
>> prime postulate. Buddhism, Hinduism, Confucianism, Shintoism, Judaism,
>> and
>> Christianity do not set forth the dictum that devotees kill off
>> non-devotees.
>
> And yet Christianity was one of the driving forces behind the near total
> extermination of an entire continent of human beings.
>
> Funny that...
>

Uh...When was this?

Ike

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"Moderate Mammal" <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote in message
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>
>

> ISLAM: CALL IT A CULT AND SHUT IT DOWN!
>

PLONK! I shut you down in the meantime. It's a lot easier to do.

AnonMoos

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May 17, 2005, 10:32:16 PM5/17/05

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"Mike Painter" <mddotp...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>AnonMoos wrote:

>> Why is it that people who think they know more than they actually
>> do are so fond of using the completely bogus and non-existent word
>> "Islamics"?

> http://www.nelc.ucla.edu/Courses_Islamics.htm Where UCLA offers a
> course in apparently nothing since we have it that the word does not
> exist.

Ah, but that's an abstract uncountable mass noun, while the "J. Grant
Swank, Jr." character was attempting to use it as a pluralizable
concrete individual noun. As an abstract, it's merely slightly
eccentric and semi-non-standard terminology (like "Informatics"), but
as a supposed synonym for "Muslim" it's completely and utterly bogus!

> Near the top of 33,400 Google hits on "Islamics"

That's nice -- the phrase "Islamic studies" gets over twenty times more
hits (785,000), while "Muslims" gets almost 400 times as many hits
12,100,000.

--
المتبرجة خير
من الإرهابي
المنتحر

Darkwing (Official Disinformation Agent of Usenet)

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"Moderate Mammal" <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote in message
news:3esk81p6q2sjo06ri...@4ax.com...
>
>

> ISLAM: CALL IT A CULT AND SHUT IT DOWN!
>
> http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=95548
> http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_8241.shtml
> May 17, 2005
> J. Grant Swank, Jr.
>

> Islam is a cult - a killing cult. America shuts down killing cults.

>
> Then let's do it.

Sounds like a plan, where is the big red button I need to push????

---------------------------------------------------
DW

The +Revd

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May 18, 2005, 12:21:04 AM5/18/05

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This deserves a matzo, jewlover. You'll have to wait until Saturday,
though.
<schnigger>

On 18 May 2005 01:07:11 GMT, the jewloving shabbos goy John Griffin

No One

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May 18, 2005, 1:05:09 AM5/18/05

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Moderate Mammal <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> writes:

> Islam, sometimes referred to as the Muslim religion, dictates,
> according to its deity, Allah, that Islamics kill all non-Islamics.

Since I'm not a Muslim, perhaps someone can explain what the
following passage from the Koran means in context:

The Disbelievers

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
[109.1] Say: O unbelievers!
[109.2] I do not serve that which you serve,
[109.3] Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve:
[109.4] Nor am I going to serve that which you serve,
[109.5] Nor are you going to serve Him Whom I serve:
[109.6] You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.

It seems consistent with the opinion of an expert I once met while
visiting an Islamic country, as he claimed that Islam stressed tolerance.

Given the state of the world today, tolerance is sorely needed.

wcb

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May 18, 2005, 1:28:02 AM5/18/05

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Moderate Mammal wrote:

>
>
> ISLAM: CALL IT A CULT AND SHUT IT DOWN!
>
> http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=95548
> http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_8241.shtml
> May 17, 2005
> J. Grant Swank, Jr.
>
> Islam is a cult — a killing cult. America shuts down killing cults.
>
> Then let’s do it. Islam is labeled as a world religion. Is it? If you
> want to categorize it as that, go ahead. But it’s more than a world
> religion. It’s a killing cult. And that foremost.
>

Good! Yes! Sure! Sign up, enlist today, ask for an M-16
and GO GET THEM RAGHEADS!
Lead on George! Everybody is right behind you.
Hopefully not trigger happy.

Maybe first you should recruit some likeminded buddies.
All them right winged Clinton hating, Drugs Limpbrain
loving gimps who will sign up to fight Islam today.

What! You say they ain't coming? You mean these
blathering, yelping war mongerers aren't lining up to
help Bush out with his Iraq problem?
Why those unAmerican cowardly sissies!

This is gonna be tough, if you guys can't get your shit
together in Iraq, how do you propose to cruch Islam underheel
like the maggot infested cult it really is?

> _____

--

When I shake my killfile, I can hear them buzzing!

Cheerful Charlie

Moderate Mammal

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May 18, 2005, 1:21:25 AM5/18/05

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On Tue, 17 May 2005 19:45:11 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-a...@org.webmaster> wrote:

>In our last episode <rvvk81hb00p1snql1...@4ax.com>, Moderate
>Mammal pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
>
>> On Tue, 17 May 2005 18:35:44 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
>> <alt-a...@org.webmaster> wrote:
>>
>>>In our last episode <3esk81p6q2sjo06ri...@4ax.com>,
>>>Moderate Mammal pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
>>>
>>>> There is no other religion on the planet that sets forth killing as its
>>>> prime postulate. Buddhism, Hinduism, Confucianism, Shintoism, Judaism,
>>>> and Christianity do not set forth the dictum that devotees kill off
>>>> non-devotees.
>>>
>>>And yet Christianity was one of the driving forces behind the near total
>>>extermination of an entire continent of human beings.
>>>
>>>
>> I told you so. Bwhahahahaha!
>
>There's some guys in some real cool white jackets that wanna see you...

Rich in irony coming from an islam apologist.

--
Keith

Moderate Mammal

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May 18, 2005, 1:29:21 AM5/18/05

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On Tue, 17 May 2005 23:39:42 GMT, "Zephyr" <zep...@no.spam> wrote:

>Might perhaps not be the best of references but look at what some Indians
>have put up here:
>
>http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/
>
>Go down the first few paragraphs and check out the articles about the
>"wonders" of this cult. Some home truths there, boys and girls.
>
>Break some fresh wind.

Excellent link. I added an Indian and Assyrian genocide link to my
islamic atrocities collected. BTW, the Armenian Genocide Page link is
broken.

Thanks.
--
Keith

Moderate Mammal

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May 18, 2005, 1:33:34 AM5/18/05

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Yet another crack debater from the Left. So do tell us why we need 25
million illegals in the US? And who is going to pay for their free
health care, housing, education, food stamps and prison stays. You,
idiot?

--
Keith

>
>

-------------------------------------

Fed up with illegal immigration?

Moderate Mammal

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May 18, 2005, 1:35:42 AM5/18/05

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On 17 May 2005 18:39:09 -0700, nitin_pa...@hotmail.com wrote:

>Most Muslims do not kill anyone.

Denial of holocausts is a sign of insanity. You agree?

--
Keith

http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_8241.shtml

ISLAM: CALL IT A CULT AND SHUT IT DOWN!

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-honor20mar20,1,4697145,print.story?coll=la-headl

Honor Killings' Show Culture Clash in Berlin

http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/02/muslim-rape-epidemic-in-sweden-and.html

Muslim Rape epidemic in Norway and Sweden

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3806689

Genital Mutilation on the increase in Europe by muslims

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/GrantSwank41116.htm

The enemy can be just down the street: How immigration can destabilize
a country

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16125

Swedes reach muslim breaking point

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/7/10/160934.shtml

Some details of Europe's hostage by islamo fascism.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=5152

Islam in Belgium.

http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=9583

Muslim plans for the takeover of Germany.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/12/07/nrace07.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/12/07/ixhome.html

Blacks attacked in UK by muslims.

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16191

Sexual amputation of Women in Europe.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/GrantSwank41106.htm

Muslims terrorize Rotterdam.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina40828.htm

Islamic Kingdom of England?

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16117

Swedish children for sale.

http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/

Islamic Genocide in India.

http://aina.org/martyr.htm

Islamic Genocide Against The Assyrian Nation

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5887

Holland: Trouble in Multiculturalist Utopia.

http://www.genoeg.nu/

Theo Van Gogh

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/003131.php

Sweden an Islamic State?

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5802

Genital Mutilation among European Immigrants.

http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=1&story_id=5482

'Dutch' muslims join jihad.

http://www.bnp.org.uk/news_detail.php?newsId=28

'Peaceful islam' in the UK.

http://washingtontimes.com/commentary/20041114-103944-4700r.htm

The end of Holland?

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=6485

Islamo fascism rising in Holland.

http://pub.tv2.no/nettavisen/english/article284238.ece

'Peaceful muslims' in Norway.

http://pub.tv2.no/nettavisen/english/article254421.ece

Fear of islam in Norway.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2757&highlight=norway

Moderate Mammal

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On Tue, 17 May 2005 21:32:16 -0500, AnonMoos <anon...@io.com> wrote:

>"Mike Painter" <mddotp...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>AnonMoos wrote:
>
>>> Why is it that people who think they know more than they actually
>>> do are so fond of using the completely bogus and non-existent word
>>> "Islamics"?
>
>> http://www.nelc.ucla.edu/Courses_Islamics.htm Where UCLA offers a
>> course in apparently nothing since we have it that the word does not
>> exist.
>
>Ah, but that's an abstract uncountable mass noun, while the "J. Grant
>Swank, Jr." character was attempting to use it as a pluralizable
>concrete individual noun. As an abstract, it's merely slightly
>eccentric and semi-non-standard terminology (like "Informatics"), but
>as a supposed synonym for "Muslim" it's completely and utterly bogus!

In the over 7 years on Usenet, this by far is the most fecal compacted
attempt at evasion I've ever seen.

--
Keith

>
>> Near the top of 33,400 Google hits on "Islamics"
>
>That's nice -- the phrase "Islamic studies" gets over twenty times more
>hits (785,000), while "Muslims" gets almost 400 times as many hits
>12,100,000.

-------------------------------------

Moderate Mammal

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May 18, 2005, 1:42:46 AM5/18/05

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So how do explain reality?

--
Keith

>
>-chib

Moderate Mammal

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May 18, 2005, 1:43:55 AM5/18/05

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On Wed, 18 May 2005 01:54:47 GMT, "Ike" <accord...@mindspring.com>
wrote:

Yes, by all means censor yourself.

Thank you.
--
Keith

Moderate Mammal

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May 18, 2005, 1:50:25 AM5/18/05

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On 18 May 2005 01:07:11 GMT, John Griffin <thathi...@yahooie.com>
wrote:

And malignant.

Moderate Mammal

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May 18, 2005, 1:48:44 AM5/18/05

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On Wed, 18 May 2005 05:05:09 GMT, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net>
wrote:

For whom?

--
Keith

>
>Given the state of the world today, tolerance is sorely needed.

-------------------------------------

Mountain Orc

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May 18, 2005, 1:50:27 AM5/18/05

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The +Revd wrote:

> I think I had a synapse?

You were actually zapped by lightning, you fucktard.
--
Beaner...the greasy meat no one wants or needs.

Gunner

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May 18, 2005, 2:15:57 AM5/18/05

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On Wed, 18 May 2005 05:39:50 GMT, Moderate Mammal
<BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 17 May 2005 21:32:16 -0500, AnonMoos <anon...@io.com> wrote:
>
>>"Mike Painter" <mddotp...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>AnonMoos wrote:
>>
>>>> Why is it that people who think they know more than they actually
>>>> do are so fond of using the completely bogus and non-existent word
>>>> "Islamics"?
>>
>>> http://www.nelc.ucla.edu/Courses_Islamics.htm Where UCLA offers a
>>> course in apparently nothing since we have it that the word does not
>>> exist.
>>
>>Ah, but that's an abstract uncountable mass noun, while the "J. Grant
>>Swank, Jr." character was attempting to use it as a pluralizable
>>concrete individual noun. As an abstract, it's merely slightly
>>eccentric and semi-non-standard terminology (like "Informatics"), but
>>as a supposed synonym for "Muslim" it's completely and utterly bogus!
>
>In the over 7 years on Usenet, this by far is the most fecal compacted
>attempt at evasion I've ever seen.

I hope no one energizes the impeller..that stuff will go far and wide.

Gunner

"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
unknown

The +Revd

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May 18, 2005, 2:19:59 AM5/18/05

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On Wed, 18 May 2005 00:50:27 -0500, Mountain Orc
<crunch_bugs@ben_crammer_the_bug.com> wrote:

> I think I had a synapse?

It's possible. Anything's possible.

>I was actually zapped by lightning, fucktard that I am.

Standing under trees in storms is something asshole like you do.

The Department of Defense

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"The +Revd" <reneg*de@anglic*n.org> wrote in message
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Shut up Rev. You hold an Umbrella... Asswipe.....

Guardian Pegasus

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On Wed, 18 May 2005 05:05:09 GMT, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net>
wrote:

>Since I'm not a Muslim, perhaps someone can explain what the

>following passage from the Koran means in context:

For every verse and hadith you can find that shows islam in a positive
light, I can show you a dozen highly disturbing ones.

Islam is a pedophile death cult. Deal with it.

The +Revd

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May 18, 2005, 3:52:52 AM5/18/05

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Piss off, Doodoo. Get yourself a lightning conductor and hold that
the next time you get caught in a thunderstorm. Hey, it works for
churches. Cretin...

Dirk McQuigley

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May 18, 2005, 8:57:06 AM5/18/05

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"Moderate Mammal" <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> ISLAM: CALL IT A CULT AND SHUT IT DOWN!
>

> http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=95548
> http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_8241.shtml
> May 17, 2005
> J. Grant Swank, Jr.

> Islam, sometimes referred to as the Muslim religion, dictates,

> according to its deity, Allah, that Islamics kill all non-Islamics.

> The latter are called "infidels." That would mean that the planet
> eventually would be populated only by Islamics. That is the goal of
> Islam - to extinguish all others than their own.

Almost right. Jews and Christians may be allowed to become dhimmis. Dhimmis
are granted limited protection, but have no rights (other than to exist) and
must pay their Islamic masters special taxes. As long as they stay silent,
pay the taxes and do what they are told, dhimmis may exist on the fringes of
Islamic society.

Many Europeans were dhimmis during the middle ages.

http://www.answers.com/topic/dhimmi

Nosterill

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May 18, 2005, 9:48:53 AM5/18/05

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In future I shall think of you as Mammal. The word "moderate" does not
sit well with these rants.

Frank White

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May 18, 2005, 10:02:41 AM5/18/05

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In article <3esk81p6q2sjo06ri...@4ax.com>, BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net says...

>
>
>
>ISLAM: CALL IT A CULT AND SHUT IT DOWN!
>
>http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=95548
>http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_8241.shtml
>May 17, 2005
>J. Grant Swank, Jr.
>

>Islam is a cult — a killing cult. America shuts down killing cults.

That's odd. It doesn't seem to have done anything about Catholicism
(that's little business called the Inquisition, hint hint).

(And people wonder why the Muslim world is uniting against us. It's
because we're always crouched this in terms of the need for us to
commit genocide against them to prevent them from doing it to us,
and they're reacting accordingly. Only the fanatical Muslims held
that view before; now, all of them are starting to think they have
no other option...)

(I blame the Cold War for this. Back then we got in the habit of
thinking "It's them or us" regarding Communism, and now we can't
stop. This 'You're with us or you're against us' attitude is
killing us, internationally...)

FW

Douglas Berry

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On Tue, 17 May 2005 22:43:25 GMT, Moderate Mammal

<BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> drained his beer, leaned back in the
alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed the following

>There is no such person as a holy deity in Islam.

Allah, the Wise and Powerful fits that bill.

>There is no such book as a Holy Book in Islam.

Never heard of the Holy Koran?

>There are no such persons as holy clergy in Islam.

Go look up "Iman"
--

Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.

Douglas Berry

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On Wed, 18 May 2005 01:52:03 GMT, "NerdRevenge" <nob...@spamcop.net>

drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
>

>"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-a...@org.webmaster> wrote in message
>news:P7ednaRiVd5...@megapath.net...

>> In our last episode <3esk81p6q2sjo06ri...@4ax.com>, Moderate
>> Mammal pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
>>

>>> There is no other religion on the planet that sets forth killing as its
>>> prime postulate. Buddhism, Hinduism, Confucianism, Shintoism, Judaism,
>>> and
>>> Christianity do not set forth the dictum that devotees kill off
>>> non-devotees.
>>

>> And yet Christianity was one of the driving forces behind the near total
>> extermination of an entire continent of human beings.
>>

>> Funny that...
>
>Uh...When was this?

16th-19th Centuries, in the Americas. Christians slaughtered the
Incas and Aztec empires, and destroyed the North American native
cultures.

Gunner

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May 18, 2005, 11:11:38 AM5/18/05

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On 18 May 2005 06:48:53 -0700, "Nosterill" <ro...@davinoptronics.com>
wrote:

>In future I shall think of you as Mammal. The word "moderate" does not
>sit well with these rants.

Perhaps not from your view point on the fringe...

Gunner

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May 18, 2005, 11:19:25 AM5/18/05

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On 18 May 2005 14:02:41 GMT, fwhite*NOSPAM*@colfax.com (Frank White)
wrote:

>In article <3esk81p6q2sjo06ri...@4ax.com>, BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net says...
>>
>>
>>
>>ISLAM: CALL IT A CULT AND SHUT IT DOWN!
>>
>>http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=95548
>>http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_8241.shtml
>>May 17, 2005
>>J. Grant Swank, Jr.
>>
>>Islam is a cult — a killing cult. America shuts down killing cults.
>
><space saving snip>
>
>That's odd. It doesn't seem to have done anything about Catholicism
>(that's little business called the Inquisition, hint hint).

Which started in the early years of the 15th century and ended in the
17th century..and then only for the most part in Spain.

You equate this with Jihad today?

>
>(And people wonder why the Muslim world is uniting against us. It's
>because we're always crouched this in terms of the need for us to
>commit genocide against them to prevent them from doing it to us,
>and they're reacting accordingly. Only the fanatical Muslims held
>that view before; now, all of them are starting to think they have
>no other option...)
>

Actually, the reverse is true. The sentiment is developing that
perhaps radical Islam is a Bad Thing. Time will tell which faction
wins.

>(I blame the Cold War for this. Back then we got in the habit of
>thinking "It's them or us" regarding Communism, and now we can't
>stop. This 'You're with us or you're against us' attitude is
>killing us, internationally...)
>

For some reason, when dealing with an emplacable enemy..you dont think
a "us vrs them" attitude is legitimate?

Thats tofu thinking.

Gunner

>FW

The Department of Defense

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May 18, 2005, 11:18:28 AM5/18/05

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"The +Revd" <reneg*de@anglic*n.org> wrote in message

news:428af40e...@news.onetel.net.uk...

Why are you babbling, Rev. Go back to tokin on some peat.

menotyou

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May 18, 2005, 11:20:53 AM5/18/05

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as a former correctional office i will say that we never considered islam as
a cult. we considered it a gang just like any sane person would. no
different than the barrio aztecas,mexican mafia,po boys,crips,bloods,etc.
they preach destruction of anyone not of their belief just as the
kkk,ayrian's or others do. but the biggest problem with them is that unlike
the klan or others their meeting are not allowed to be monitored for
criminal intent. the aclu say that would be religious discrimination. so if
you can't control them in a so called controlled setting,what chance do you
have in the free world.

--

----=----
if at first you don't succeed ...

...slit your throat and watch it bleed

"Moderate Mammal" <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote in message

news:rssk81dcrrs9l8llr...@4ax.com...

> On Tue, 17 May 2005 22:43:25 GMT, Moderate Mammal

> <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote:
>
> <snipped>
>
> Now watch the atheist kooks defend islam.
>

> --
> Keith

The Department of Defense

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May 18, 2005, 11:23:03 AM5/18/05

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> "Considering the events of recent years,
> the world has a long way to go to regain
> its credibility and reputation with the US."
> unknown

Nice and timely quote, although the leftists and french would disagree. But
then again the french are hated by everyone it seems.Check this out:

Language, history, cooking and support for rival football teams still divide
Europe. But when everything else fails, one glue binds the continent
together: hatred of the French.

Britons described them as "chauvinists, stubborn, nannied and humourless".
However, the French may be more shocked by the views of other nations.

For the Germans, the French are "pretentious, offhand and frivolous". The
Dutch describe them as "agitated, talkative and shallow." The Spanish see
them as "cold, distant, vain and impolite" and the Portuguese as
"preaching". In Italy they comes across as "snobs, arrogant, flesh-loving,
righteous and self-obsessed" and the Greeks find them "not very with it,
egocentric bons vivants". Interestingly, the Swedes consider them
"disobedient, immoral, disorganised, neo-colonialist and dirty".

But the knockout punch to French pride came in the way the poll was
conducted. People were not asked what they hated in the French, just what
they thought of the French.

Elf M. Sternberg

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May 18, 2005, 11:45:10 AM5/18/05

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Moderate Mammal <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> writes:

> >It seems consistent with the opinion of an expert I once met while
> >visiting an Islamic country, as he claimed that Islam stressed tolerance.

> For whom?

For dhimmis, of course. For anyone who pays jezya.

Elf

John Griffin

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May 18, 2005, 11:55:51 AM5/18/05

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Moderate Mammal <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 18 May 2005 05:05:09 GMT, No One
> <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>>Moderate Mammal <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> writes:
>>
>>> Islam, sometimes referred to as the Muslim religion,
>>> dictates, according to its deity, Allah, that Islamics kill
>>> all non-Islamics.
>>
>>Since I'm not a Muslim, perhaps someone can explain what the
>>following passage from the Koran means in context:
>>
>> The Disbelievers
>>
>> In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
>> [109.1] Say: O unbelievers!
>> [109.2] I do not serve that which you serve,
>> [109.3] Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve:
>> [109.4] Nor am I going to serve that which you serve,
>> [109.5] Nor are you going to serve Him Whom I serve:
>> [109.6] You shall have your religion and I shall have
>> my religion.
>>
>>It seems consistent with the opinion of an expert I once met
>>while visiting an Islamic country, as he claimed that Islam
>>stressed tolerance.
>
> For whom?

I tried to find an answer for you. I'm still looking, but you
might be interested in this:

http://islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=13536

I suppose some dumb asshole will react to that with "Well, the
Christians used to be as fucked up as that, too. neener neener"

u2 fan

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One cult ( usa ) shuts down another ( islam ) ... justice ? Bizzare

Go Red horse Go ! Ride 'em cowboy ( Bush )

Zech 6v2 Rev 6v4

The +Revd

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On Wed, 18 May 2005 10:18:28 -0500, "The Department of Defense"
<the...@ss.mil> wrote:

>
>"The +Revd" <reneg*de@anglic*n.org> wrote in message
>news:428af40e...@news.onetel.net.uk...
>> On Wed, 18 May 2005 06:25:25 GMT, "The Department of Defense"
>> <the...@ss.mil> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"The +Revd" <reneg*de@anglic*n.org> wrote in message
>> >news:428ade45...@news.onetel.net.uk...
>> >> On Wed, 18 May 2005 00:50:27 -0500, Mountain Orc
>> >> <crunch_bugs@ben_crammer_the_bug.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I think I had a synapse?
>> >>
>> >> It's possible. Anything's possible.
>> >>
>> >>>I was actually zapped by lightning, fucktard that I am.
>> >>
>> >> Standing under trees in storms is something asshole like you do.
>> >
>> >Shut up Rev. You hold an Umbrella... Asswipe.....
>>
>> Piss off, Doodoo. Get yourself a lightning conductor and hold that
>> the next time you get caught in a thunderstorm. Hey, it works for
>> churches. Cretin...
>
>Why are you babbling, Rev. Go back to tokin on some peat.

Just say NO to drugs, Doodoo.

Cary Kittrell

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"humourless" but "bon vivants"?

"cold" but "flesh-loving"?

"distant" but "talkative" and "agitated"?

"Disobedient"? Why, that's just what George Bush
thought of them too.

-- cary

Gunner

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On Wed, 18 May 2005 15:07:02 GMT, Douglas Berry
<pengu...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 18 May 2005 05:48:44 GMT, Moderate Mammal
><BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> drained his beer, leaned back in the

>alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed the following
>

>>>It seems consistent with the opinion of an expert I once met while
>>>visiting an Islamic country, as he claimed that Islam stressed tolerance.
>>
>>For whom?
>

>Infidels. During my time in Saudi Arabia, we were welcomed as guests
>by the Bedu, who informed us (through translators) that their tents
>were our tents, their food our food, and their water our water for as
>long as we wished to stay. Incredible people, and hospitality and
>tolerance were part of their Muslim faith.
>
>I had similar experiences in Jordan and Turkey. Only the extremists
>ignore the Koran's instructions to the faithful to be tolerant of
>others in favor of the orders to kill those who threaten the
>believers.
>
>Ever actually read the rules for the third Jihad, war against the
>unfaithful?
>
>"Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but
>begin not hostilities. Indeed God does not love transgressors (Koran
>2:192-193)."
>
> "..So if they hold aloof from you and wage not war against you and
>offer you peace. God allows you no way against them (KORAN 4:90)."
>
>"And if any of the idolaters seeks of you protection, grant him (her)
>protection till he hears the words of God, then convey him to his
>place of security. That is because they are a folk who know
>not..(KORAN 9:6-8)."
>
>"How is it with you that you do not fight in God's way, when the
>feeble among the men, women and children are saying, "Our lord, bring
>us forth from this place whose people are tyrants. O God give us from
>your presence some protector and helper.'(KORAN 4:75-76)."

Douglas is quite correct. On the other hand..the Extremists of the
Whabi sect interpret the Quran the way they see fit and they are the
current movers and shakers behind the current Jihad.

It doesnt hurt that a significant percentage of Muslims in the ME are
fairly ignorant with little grasp of geopolitics other than blood fued
against real or drummed up enemies.

Gunner

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LOL, yeah they are all over the place.

> "Disobedient"? Why, that's just what George Bush
> thought of them too.

They were, and they should be quarantined.

Cary Kittrell

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I did think that interesting (to whatever extent it's
at all accurate): the "flaws" of one culture as
filtered through the, um, "ways" of another culture.

>
> > "Disobedient"? Why, that's just what George Bush
> > thought of them too.
>
> They were, and they should be quarantined.

Well, that's what the "sovereign" in "sovereign nation"
is supposed to be about.

-- cary

John Graeme

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No One wrote:

>It seems consistent with the opinion of an expert I once met while
>visiting an Islamic country, as he claimed that Islam stressed
tolerance.

>Given the state of the world today, tolerance is sorely needed.

If Islam is so tolerant, why did major Muslim leaders condemn Salman
Rushdie to death for blasphemy--which consisted only of some passages
in a novel?! This wasn't some radical splinter group--It was the
leading Muslim clerics in Iran and elsewhere. And this was not some
exceptional case; such nonsense is commonplace for Muslims. It's a
serious crime to even criticize Islam in many Muslim countries.

The Department of Defense

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"Cary Kittrell" <ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message

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Interesting yes indeed.

> > > "Disobedient"? Why, that's just what George Bush
> > > thought of them too.
> >
> > They were, and they should be quarantined.
>
> Well, that's what the "sovereign" in "sovereign nation"
> is supposed to be about.

There was heavy sarcasm above. Although for me its the manner in which the
french do things I find so disgusting. Canada say was against Iraq, but they
were at least principled on the matter.

chibiabos

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In article <o9ll811oq0159vbv8...@4ax.com>, Moderate
Mammal <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 17 May 2005 18:47:40 -0700, chibiabos <ch...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <3esk81p6q2sjo06ri...@4ax.com>, Moderate

> >Mammal <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote:
> >
> >> ISLAM: CALL IT A CULT AND SHUT IT DOWN!
> >>
> >> http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=95548
> >> http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_8241.shtml
> >> May 17, 2005
> >> J. Grant Swank, Jr.
> >>
> >> Islam is a cult — a killing cult. America shuts down killing cults.
> >>

> >> Then let’s do it. Islam is labeled as a world religion. Is it? If you
> >> want to categorize it as that, go ahead. But it’s more than a world
> >> religion. It’s a killing cult. And that foremost.

> >>
> >> There is no other religion on the planet that sets forth killing as
> >> its prime postulate. Buddhism, Hinduism, Confucianism, Shintoism,
> >> Judaism, and Christianity do not set forth the dictum that devotees
> >> kill off non-devotees.
> >

> >Christianity is founded on the notion of killing someone, you idiot.
>
> So how do explain reality?

As opposed to late stone age middle eastern myth?

-chib

--
Member of SMASH
Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
(email: change out to in)

Cary Kittrell

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In article <PBLie.74756$NC6....@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net> "The Department of Defense" <the...@ss.mil> writes:
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> "Cary Kittrell" <ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
> news:d6fs9d$stt$1...@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
> > In article <GpKie.74745$NC6....@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net> "The
> Department of Defense" <the...@ss.mil> writes:
> > >
> > > "Cary Kittrell" <ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
> > > news:d6fnvs$mhr$1...@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
> > >

{...}

> >
> > I did think that interesting (to whatever extent it's
> > at all accurate): the "flaws" of one culture as
> > filtered through the, um, "ways" of another culture.
>
> Interesting yes indeed.
>
> > > > "Disobedient"? Why, that's just what George Bush
> > > > thought of them too.
> > >
> > > They were, and they should be quarantined.
> >
> > Well, that's what the "sovereign" in "sovereign nation"
> > is supposed to be about.
>
> There was heavy sarcasm above.

Ah. Got it.

> Although for me its the manner in which the
> french do things I find so disgusting. Canada say was against Iraq, but they
> were at least principled on the matter.

Actually, back in cheerier times, before this flap-de-frappe
came along, I once had the insight that we're all bigots, all
possessed of a built-in need of someone to feel
superior to -- so I consciously chose the French for
my sneer-group. Not only could I come up with rationalizations,
I knew they'd LIKE it that way.

-- cary

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you know how they treat cancer? radiation.

--

----=----
if at first you don't succeed ...

...slit your throat and watch it bleed

"John Griffin" <thathi...@yahooie.com> wrote in message
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> Moderate Mammal <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 17 May 2005 22:43:25 GMT, Moderate Mammal
>> <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote:
>>
>> <snipped>
>>
>> Now watch the atheist kooks defend islam.
>

> Watch for a stream of reminders of some of the centuries-past
> misbehavior of Christians in "defense" of that disgusting,
> primitive cult. So far, everyone who has been stupid enough to
> argue in favor of Islam has been stupid enough to think that
> those things justify the backward cult's savagery.
>
> Islam can not ever be a part of human civilization, because The
> Pervert Mohammed dictated every moment of the primitive life of a
> Mohammedan in his stupid fucking book. Any Moslem who tries to
> join the 21st century (or even the 18th) forfeits his life.
>
> Islam is a cancer.
>
>

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I also say no to Pure_breds.

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"Cary Kittrell" <ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message

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There is alot of truth to that.

>all possessed of a built-in need of someone to feel
> superior to

I am not so sure thats true in *every* instance, but it is intersting to
ponder.

-- so I consciously chose the French for
> my sneer-group. Not only could I come up with rationalizations,
> I knew they'd LIKE it that way.

LOL...

> -- cary

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>
> Fed up with illegal immigration?

Hell yes. Thanks for Below, I am gonna repost.

Lazyike67

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Moderate Mammal wrote:

>
> ISLAM: CALL IT A CULT AND SHUT IT DOWN!
>
> http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=95548
> http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_8241.shtml
> May 17, 2005
> J. Grant Swank, Jr.
>
> Islam is a cult — a killing cult. America shuts down killing cults.

No more than Christianity or Judaism... No less.

> Then let’s do it. Islam is labeled as a world religion. Is it? If you
> want to categorize it as that, go ahead. But it’s more than a world
> religion. It’s a killing cult. And that foremost.

WRONG... Yes it like any faith has those of the Ultra Conservative
Fundamentalist bent but so does Christianity (Fred Phelps, Oral Roberts,
Jimmy Swaggart, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell) & Judaism (Dr. Laura)

>
> There is no other religion on the planet that sets forth killing as
> its prime postulate. Buddhism, Hinduism, Confucianism, Shintoism,
> Judaism, and Christianity do not set forth the dictum that devotees
> kill off non-devotees.

WRONG again nutball... You forget The various Inquisitions. The Near
Genocide of the Native American, The Salem Witch Paranoia, the various
Crusades... All of Christian vs non Christian....

Israel was built by Jews killing Non Jews. This goes on even today.

Many Hindu Cults are known for being killers... So try again....

>
> Islam, sometimes referred to as the Muslim religion, dictates,
> according to its deity, Allah, that Islamics kill all non-Islamics.

> The latter are called "infidels." That would mean that the planet
> eventually would be populated only by Islamics. That is the goal of
> Islam — to extinguish all others than their own.

Again NOT true... But lets see you PROVE it so Cite the verse please...
From what I have read so far there is no such word as "Infidel" in
their Bible. What is listed is "Unbeliever" This is defined as
A. Pagans
B. Atheists
C. Agnostics

Now our Bible like theirs is often misquoted to serve the purpose of the
Reader.

Vegans say that the bible often says that God forbids us from eating ALL
meat.

Now here from www.islamicity.com on the topic:

Ahl al-Kitab (ahl al-kee-taab) Click Here to Hear
Literally, "People of the Book." This term, found in the Qur'an,
describes adherents of divinely revealed religions that preceeded Islam.
Most commonly, the term refers to Jews and Christians, and confers upon
these two groups a special status within Muslim society, owing to the
monotheistic basis of their religions. (Source:CIE)

Dhimmi (dhim-mee)
A person belonging to the category of "protected people" (ahl
ad-dhimmah) within the Islamic state. Historically, Jews and Christians
traditionally received this status due to their belief in One God, but
others such as Zoroastrians, Buddhists and Hindus were also included.
Dhimmis had full rights to practice their faith and implement their own
religious laws within their communities. In exchange for a guarantee of
protection and exemption from military service, dhimmis payed a specific
tax to the state, just as their fellow Muslim citizens did. (Source:CIE)

Ibrahim (ib-raa-heem)
Abraham, a prophet and righteous person revered by Muslims, Jews, and
Christians alike as the patriarch (father-figure) of monotheism. Muslims
commemorate Abraham's devotion, struggles, and sacrifices during the
annual Hajj rites. (Source:CIE)
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Gee not a word here on Killing Jews & Christians... Heck it all seems
to FORBID killing Jews & Christians as they view us as "protected
people" or "People of the Book." IOW those who Have no other gods aBOVE
God himself.

>
> That’s a cult — plain and simple. Killing off is the ethic. Murder it
> the moral base. Slaying is the virtue.
Cite please... Where in the Quoan does it state this so that WE can read
it for ourselves & NOT take YOUR word for it?
>
> And to commit suicide in order to see through the leveling of
> non-Muslims guarantees males an eternity of cavorting sexually with
> females "on the other side." There is nothing promised females for
> women don’t count except for dung in Islam.

Cite please?? From the same site I get:
Jihad (JIHAAD) Click Here to Hear

It is an Arabic word the root of which is Jahada, which means to strive
for a better way of life. The nouns are Juhd, Mujahid, Jihad, and
Ijtihad. The other meanings are: endeavor, strain, exertion, effort,
diligence, fighting to defend one's life, land, and religion.

Jihad should not be confused with Holy War; the latter does not exist in
Islam nor will Islam allow its followers to be involved in a Holy War.
The latter refers to the Holy War of the Crusaders.

Jihad is not a war to force the faith on others, as many people think of
it. It should never be interpreted as a way of compulsion of the belief
on others, since there is an explicit verse in the Qur'an that
says:There is no compulsion in religionAl-Qur'an: Al-Baqarah (2:256).

Jihad is not a defensive war only, but a war against any unjust regime.
If such a regime exists, a war is to be waged against the leaders, but
not against the people of that country. People should be freed from the
unjust regimes and influences so that they can freely choose to believe
in Allah.

Not only in peace but also in war Islam prohibits terrorism, kidnapping,
and hijacking, when carried against civilians. Whoever commits such
violations is considered a murderer in Islam, and is to be punished by
the Islamic state. during wars, Islam prohibits Muslim soldiers from
harming civilians, women, children, elderly, and the religious men like
priests and rabies. It also prohibits cutting down trees and destroying
civilian constructions.
(Source:MSA-USC)

Hmmm Can you say that about Christianity? Or need I remind you of the
tactics used in the US Civil War & Vietnam?

>
> In reality then, according to the Christian faith, Islam does have its
> actual quotients. It’s not merely a myth. It’s a reality spun from a
> literal hell. Therefore, Allah is Lucifer. The Koran is demented
> revelation from demons. Mosques are meeting places for demonic
> preaching and activity. Clerics are agents from The Pit.

BONK... Yet again your ignorance on the subject PROVES your a troll.
Allah is Arabic for GOD... therefore to them Christ is the son of Allah.
the only satan Worshiper here seems to be YOU...

>
> There is no such person as a holy deity in Islam. There is no such
> book as a Holy Book in Islam. There are no such persons as holy clergy
> in Islam.

Again cite please as they clearly state GOD is their holy Diety.
>
> There is no gospel in Islam — no good news of salvation. There is only
> the promise of orgies aplenty in the next sphere, that is, for the
> suicide prone. And for the others, an eternity in Islam paradise, the
> definition left to Allah.

Cite plese... Here is mine:
Tawhid (tow-heed tawheed)
The doctrine of the "Oneness of God." This is a central tenet of Islam,
upon which all other beliefs and doctrines are based. Acknowledging the
Unity (Oneness) of God is the primary basis for salvation in Islam.
(Source:CIE)

Where is yours?

>
> Now there are Islamics who contest all of this. These are Muslims who
> are not at all knowledgeable concerning their own cult. They are akin
> to church goers within Christendom who are ignorant of the Bible and
> Christian doctrine.

ROFMAO.... Where is your "proof"? the ONLY Ignorant is YOU...
Seeing that you crossposted this in alt.religion.Islam I would
love to see those responses that blast your shit out of the water...

[snipped ignorant ranting]
>
> America must come to its senses. With that, America must call Islam
> what it is — a murdering scheme by which to wipe out Americans except
> those Muslims now inhabiting the nation.

Cite please?

>
> The killing cult then is not to be tolerated by the White House,
> Congress, the Supreme Court, the National Educational Association, the
> World Council of Churches, the National Council of Churches, any
> Christian denomination, any Jewish body, any town hall, no one.

That is becase they unlike you realize that the nutcases like YOU do not
speack for the "faith" they claim to represent.
>
> It’s insane for a democracy such as the United States to remain so
> utterly naïve about Islam. Further, it’s suicide for our politic to
> continue to baptize Islam as a "peace religion."

Re-reat the first Amendment... its that text ABOVE the 2nd. amendment...
If your copy lists nothing above or below the 2nd. you have a bad copy.

>
> It’s asking for big time trouble to continue to court Muslims in the
> school systems, even inviting them to speak to faculty and
> administration, as is done in some school districts.

so that idiots like you can spew forth your bullshit? We have enough of
that shit from the Athiests...
>
> In a high school near where I live there is even a room set aside for
> Muslim students to go to pray there five times a day. I don’t know of
> any accommodations made for Jews or Christians who may seek to pray in
> a prayer room during a school day, let alone any tolerance for these
> two religions’ holy days to be observed within the school year.

And how many times do YOU pray? I do not NEED a room to pray. When I
went to school there were many kids who before lunch said grace.
Now if you need to follow a spacific ritual as do Muslems then Yes
you get a room or special considerations...

>
> Islam fosters "honor killing." That is the custom of killing Muslim
> women who offend males. The Muslim female is considered cursed from
> conception. She has ten curses upon her existence. The curse is
> defined as exposing her genitals publicly. Therefore, the female is as
> dung to the male community. That’s why she is garbed from head to
> foot, never revealing her identity, thus voiding her of
> self-expression and self-respect.

See Jihad... Oh and how many fights did you get into as a kid (if your
an adult) defending your mother's honor? Well this is the same thing...
From what I'm reading "Honor Killing" PREDATES Islam & falls under
Murder. From what I can see this is an UNJUST murder in their belief.

As this would require a better answer from someon efar more qualified in
Islamic Law than I, I will leave them to answer this.

Now I just found this on the topic:
does Islam allow honor killings?
Date: February 07, 2003 | 5 Dhu-l-Hijjah 1423 Hijriah
Blog: veiled4allah

Zack Ajmal has been posting recently about honor killings (1 and 2).

To make it clear, honor killings are FORBIDDEN by Islam. Honor killing
is murder and must be punished accordingly. Honor killing was one of
many abuses of women in pre-Islamic Arabia that Islamic teachings
eradicated. It is terrible and sad how some Muslims act as though Islam
had never come to them. Istighfirullah!

Here are some links about what Islam actually teaches: Whose Honor?
Muslim Women and Crimes of Honor, Honor Killings: Condemnations Are Not
Enough, and Muslim Women's League Position Paper on Honor Killings.
~ Posted by Al-Muhajabah, a member of the reality-based community, at
09:20 AM
------
So we can pretty much assume you don't know what your talking about.
Oh and this:
Pakistan outlaws 'honor' killings | csmonitor.com

as Islam is their National Religeion you are proven wrong AGAIN.

>
> If the Muslim woman offends the Muslim male in any way, she may be
> shot in the head or her neck slit. Hussein’s soccer stadiums were not
> used so much for athletics as for shooting Muslim women in the head.
>
> Slaying the offending female is to retain the honor of the household.
> She must be done away with in order for the family not to lose its
> respect. That is known as "honor killing." It happens every day
> somewhere.
What about all the Bible refrences to Killing people for whatever
offence? Remember Stoning was a popular form of exicution.

> Sometimes it’s reported to the local police; most of the time it’s not
> for the local police are males who back up the killing males.
> Sometimes it’s reported in the local paper; most of the time it’s not.
> Why make a fuss?
>
> Therefore, Islam not only kills off non-Islamics but also its own,
> particularly its females. Further, Islam kills off Islamics who do not
> follow through with the Koran killing dictates. That is, if a Muslim
> refuses to wipe out a non-Muslim, that Muslim is up for being slain by
> a devout Muslim.
>
Cite please...

[more snipped ranting nonsense]

>
>
> FOOTNOTE:
>
>
> SLAY THE NON-MUSLIMS: DIRECT QUOTES FROM THE QURAN
>

Err please cite the ENTIRE verse

> 2:191, And slay them wherever ye catch them.

Here is the ENTIRE context of the quotes:
Al-Baqara (The Cow) - (Arabic)
Recite (Baset) - Recite (Hussari) - Recite (Minshawi) - English Translation

2:190 Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not
transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.

2:191 And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from
where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse
than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they
(first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is
the reward of those who suppress faith.

2:192 But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

Ok what I get from this is they fight for God against all
Pagans & Atheists. If these two groups attack you attack back
But never in a church UNLESS they walki in to a chuirch & start
a fight. Should they then ill em..

So basically if an Athiest Comes to your church & starts trashing the
place then you may use deadly force to prevent it.

I think I have it correct? If not someone in a.r.i. will correct me.

>
> 4:84, Then fight in Allah’s cause.
>

Parial Quote is from An-Nisa (The Women)
84. Then fight in Allah's (God's) cause - Thou art held responsible only
for thyself - and rouse the believers (All Monothieists). It may be that
Allah will restrain the fury of the Unbelievers; for Allah is the
strongest in might and in punishment.

These two follow:
85. Whoever recommends and helps a good cause becomes a partner therein:
And whoever recommends and helps an evil cause, shares in its burden:
And Allah hath power over all things.

86. When a (courteous) greeting is offered you, meet it with a greeting
still more courteous, or (at least) of equal courtesy. Allah takes
careful account of all things.

> 4:141, And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way (to
> triumph) over the believers.
Well this needs no traslation really... God will help those who
belive in him overcome those who do not... But here is the ENTIRE context:

139. Yea, to those who take for friends unbelievers rather than
believers: is it honour they seek among them? Nay,- all honour is with
Allah.

140. Already has He sent you Word in the Book, that when ye hear the
signs of Allah held in defiance and ridicule, ye are not to sit with
them unless they turn to a different theme: if ye did, ye would be like
them. For Allah will collect the hypocrites and those who defy faith -
all in Hell:-

141. (These are) the ones who wait and watch about you: if ye do gain a
victory from Allah, they say: "Were we not with you?"- but if the
unbelievers gain a success, they say (to them): "Did we not gain an
advantage over you, and did we not guard you from the believers?" but
Allah will judge betwixt you on the Day of Judgment. And never will
Allah grant to the unbelievers a way (to triumphs) over the believers.

142. The Hypocrites - they think they are over-reaching Allah, but He
will over- reach them: When they stand up to prayer, they stand without
earnestness, to be seen of men, but little do they hold Allah in
remembrance;

143. (They are) distracted in mind even in the midst of it,- being
(sincerely) for neither one group nor for another whom Allah leaves
straying,- never wilt thou find for him the way.

144. O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than
believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?

>
> 5:33, The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His
> Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the
> land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and
> feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their
> disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the
> Hereafter.

Surah 5. The Table, The Table Spread
32. On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any
one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in
the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one
saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.
Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet,
even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

33. The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His
Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land
is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from
opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this
world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

34. Except for those who repent before they fall into your power: in
that case, know that Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

IOW do good deeds get rewarded... do Bad ones then you will be
punished... And what are "the Wages of Sin" according to the bible?
>
> 8:12, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite
> ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.
>
Surah 8. Spoils Of War, Booty

12. Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with
you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the
hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all
their finger-tips off them."
--------------------------------------
Interesting what you CHOSE to cut isin't it?

> 8:17, It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah.
>
13. This because they contended against Allah and His Messenger. If any
contend against Allah and His Messenger, Allah is strict in punishment.

14. Thus (will it be said): "Taste ye then of the (punishment): for
those who resist Allah, is the penalty of the Fire."

15. O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers in hostile array,
never turn your backs to them.

16. If any do turn his back to them on such a day - unless it be in a
stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own)- he draws on
himself the wrath of Allah, and his abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed)!

17. It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah. when thou threwest (a
handful of dust), it was not thy act, but Allah.s: in order that He
might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself: for Allah is
He Who heareth and knoweth (all things).

> 8:60, Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your
> power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of)
> the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye
> may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the
> cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated
> unjustly.

59. Let not the unbelievers think that they can get the better (of the
godly): they will never frustrate (them).

60. Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power,
including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the
enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not
know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of
Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.

61. But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline
towards peace, and trust in Allah. for He is One that heareth and
knoweth (all things).

> 8:65, O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty
> amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred:
> if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers.
I think this summs up a better response:

70. O Messenger. say to those who are captives in your hands: "If Allah
findeth any good in your hearts, He will give you something better than
what has been taken from you, and He will forgive you: for Allah is
Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."
>

[Snipped more ranting]

Ok look folks go here:
http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/quran/1.htm#83

the /1.htm#83 part you just enter 9. or whatever number to get to the
proper book & read it for yourselves... I have other things to do today
than prove mammle is any more ignorant than he has proven himself.

Ike
Research time 3 hrs 46 min.

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Moderate Mammal wrote:

> On Wed, 18 May 2005 00:07:54 GMT, "Mike Painter"
> <mddotp...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Moderate Mammal wrote:
>>
>>>ISLAM: CALL IT A CULT AND SHUT IT DOWN!
>>

>>I'm to lazy to quote all the christian reasons for killing but we should let
>>the Muslim death score catch up first before shutting them down.

>>
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>>>Fed up with illegal immigration?
>>

>>Then stop making it illegal.
>
>
> Yet another crack debater from the Left. So do tell us why we need 25
> million illegals in the US? And who is going to pay for their free
> health care, housing, education, food stamps and prison stays. You,
> idiot?

Because Salma Hyak will STILL look better naked than yo mamma?
As for the second Question ... You Idiots that's who...

Ike

Lazyike67

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AnonMoos wrote:

> Why is it that people who think they know more than they actually do
> are so fond of using the completely bogus and non-existent word
> "Islamics"?
>
In one word...

Oxycontin

Lazyike67

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Moderate Mammal wrote:

> On 17 May 2005 18:39:09 -0700, nitin_pa...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
>>Most Muslims do not kill anyone.
>
>
> Denial of holocausts is a sign of insanity. You agree?
>
> --
> Keith
>
> http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_8241.shtml

>
> ISLAM: CALL IT A CULT AND SHUT IT DOWN!
>
>

> http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-honor20mar20,1,4697145,print.story?coll=la-headl
>
> Honor Killings' Show Culture Clash in Berlin
>
>
> http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/02/muslim-rape-epidemic-in-sweden-and.html
>
> Muslim Rape epidemic in Norway and Sweden
>
>
> http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3806689
>
> Genital Mutilation on the increase in Europe by muslims
>
>
> http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/GrantSwank41116.htm
>
> The enemy can be just down the street: How immigration can destabilize
> a country
>
> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16125
>
> Swedes reach muslim breaking point
>
> http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/7/10/160934.shtml
>
> Some details of Europe's hostage by islamo fascism.
>
>
> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=5152
>
> Islam in Belgium.
>
>
> http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=9583
>
> Muslim plans for the takeover of Germany.
>
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/12/07/nrace07.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/12/07/ixhome.html
>
> Blacks attacked in UK by muslims.
>
>
> http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16191
>
> Sexual amputation of Women in Europe.
>
>
> http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/GrantSwank41106.htm
>
> Muslims terrorize Rotterdam.
>
>
> http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina40828.htm
>
> Islamic Kingdom of England?
>
>
> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16117
>
> Swedish children for sale.
>
> http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/
>
> Islamic Genocide in India.
>
> http://aina.org/martyr.htm
>
> Islamic Genocide Against The Assyrian Nation
>
> http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5887
>
> Holland: Trouble in Multiculturalist Utopia.
>
>
> http://www.genoeg.nu/
>
> Theo Van Gogh
>
>
> http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/003131.php
>
> Sweden an Islamic State?
>
>
> http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5802
>
> Genital Mutilation among European Immigrants.
>
>
> http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=1&story_id=5482
>
> 'Dutch' muslims join jihad.
>
>
> http://www.bnp.org.uk/news_detail.php?newsId=28
>
> 'Peaceful islam' in the UK.
>
>
>
> http://washingtontimes.com/commentary/20041114-103944-4700r.htm
>
> The end of Holland?
>
>
> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=6485
>
> Islamo fascism rising in Holland.
>
>
> http://pub.tv2.no/nettavisen/english/article284238.ece
>
> 'Peaceful muslims' in Norway.
>
>
> http://pub.tv2.no/nettavisen/english/article254421.ece
>
> Fear of islam in Norway.
>
>
> http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2757&highlight=norway
>
> More from a Norwegian.
>
>
> http://www.radioislam.org/
>
> A 'peaceful' website by muslims in Sweden.
>
>
> http://www.cphpost.dk/get/82655.html
>
>
> Islam in Denmark.
>
> http://www.sharia.dk/Skribenter/hedegaard/rotten_denmark.html
>
>
> Something rotten in Denmark?
>
> http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5624&highlight=denmark
>
> Muslim politician in Denmark condones stonings of women.
>
>
> http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3893&highlight=sweden
>
> Sweden held hostage by muslims.
>
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,2763,1318586,00.html
>
> Mosque in London linked to genocide of children.
>
>
> http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4791&highlight=london+iman
>
> Canadian student in fearful of critiquing islam.
>
>
> http://breaking.tcm.ie/2004/09/11/story166049.html
>
> Muslims in London celebrate 9/11.
>
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/09/05/wosse705.xml
>
> Cleric in the UK supports terror of children in schools.
>
>
> http://www.memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP44702
>
> Islamic clerics plans to conquer Rome.
>
>
> http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/News/Trifkovic/NewsST022702.htm
>
> Islamic terrorism in Italy.
>
>
> http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=81&story_id=5496
>
> The Madrid Massacre.
>
>
> http://www.nationalreview.com/derbyshire/derbyshire200409300813.asp
>
> France headed for Civil War?
>
>
> http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1096959302006
>
> Sale of suicide bomber toys in Paris.
>
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3904943.stm
>
> French Jews told to leave France to escape muslim attacks.
>
>
> http://www.richardmullenax.com/?page=columns&art=32895
>
> Danger of islam, especially in Europe.
>
>
> http://members.optushome.com.au/jimball/realracists.htm
>
> Muslim rape in Europe.
>
>
> http://www.time.com/time/europe/magazine/2002/1202/crime/bellil.htm
>
> Muslim rape in France.
>
>
> http://www.hvk.org/articles/0702/140.html
>
> Muslim rape in France and Australia.
>
>
> http://www.windsofchange.net/archives/002566.php
>
> http://www.windsofchange.net/archives/002562.php
>
> Muslim rape in Norway.
>
>
> http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/001604.html
>
> Muslim rape in Denmark.
>
>
> http://www.wog.com.au/article_main.asp?ArticleID=286&PageNo=70
>
> Muslim rape in Australia.
>
>
> http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/003269.php
>
> Muslim rape in Sweden.
>
>
> http://multigraphic.dk/lounge/wordpress/index.php?p=905
>
> Muslim rape of children in Russia.
>
>
> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15983
>
> Khomeini in Dearborn, Michigan.
>
> _____________________
>
> And some more links:
>
>
> http://www.faithfreedom.info/
>
> Gallery of islamic extremism and atrocities.
>
>
> http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=1134012002
>
> Islamic Camel races and the torture, rape and murder of Children.
>
>
> http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=9602
>
> Honor violence in Pakistan.
>
>
> http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Subway/5507/augustus99/TIM-women_concern.html
>
> Islamic genocide in East Timor.
>
>
> http://www.crocifissofena.com/islam/3.asp
>
> Barbaric pictorial of islamic culture.
>
>
> http://213.92.16.98/ESW_articolo/0,2393,42015,00.html
>
> Islamic slavery of Blacks in Africa.
>
>
> http://www.intelligence.org.il/eng/sib/11_04/najah.htm
>
> Muslim education.
>
>
> http://www.abc.net.au/foreign/content/2004/s1068052.htm
>
> Muslim "Honor" killings of Women
>
>
> http://womensissues.about.com/cs/honorkillings/a/honorkillings.htm
>
> Facts about honor killings.
>
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3721932.stm
>
> Treatment of women by islam.
>
>
> http://www.alhannah.com/cgi-bin/guide.cgi?a;niqab
>
> Dress code for Politically correct Women in the West who deny the
> threat of islam.
>
>
> http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3825
>
> X-muslim in fear of being discovered.
>
>
> http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Default.htm#Attacks
>
> list of terror attacks since 9/11.
>
>
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/041202/481/vah10312021751
>
> Muslim "father" prepares daughter for terrorism.
>
>
> http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD81904
>
> Muslim "mothers" wish to sacrifice more children.
>
>
> http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5356879
>
> Muslim treatment of Buddhists in Thailand.
>
>
> http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/
>
> Islam and their Nazis allies during WWII and beyond-Pictorial.
>
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/11/25/falluja.weapons/index.html
>
> Weapons in mosques.
>
>
> http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/ParisaHafezi41002.htm
>
> Iranian Cleric Says Atomic Program will continue.
>
> ____________________
>
> And more links to website's dedicated to educating the sleeping masses
> on the danger of islam.
>
>
>
>
Try as I might Earthlink will NOT allow me to post my 30 gb counter so
as the Brit's say... Piss off..

Ike

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No One wrote:

> Moderate Mammal <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> writes:
>
>
>>Islam, sometimes referred to as the Muslim religion, dictates,
>>according to its deity, Allah, that Islamics kill all non-Islamics.
>
>

> Since I'm not a Muslim, perhaps someone can explain what the
> following passage from the Koran means in context:
>
> The Disbelievers
>
> In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
> [109.1] Say: O unbelievers!
> [109.2] I do not serve that which you serve,
> [109.3] Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve:
> [109.4] Nor am I going to serve that which you serve,
> [109.5] Nor are you going to serve Him Whom I serve:
> [109.6] You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.
>

> It seems consistent with the opinion of an expert I once met while
> visiting an Islamic country, as he claimed that Islam stressed tolerance.
>
> Given the state of the world today, tolerance is sorely needed.

Not one myself but I'll give it a go... First by unbelievers they refer
to as Pagans, Atheists & Terrorists. Hence the book Name:
Surah 109. The Disbelieves, Atheists

Second Believers are anyone who in our terms:
Salt not have any gods before God/Allah Ref:

Allah (ALLA ALAH)

The true name for the creator of the Universe is Allah. He is the
Merciful, the Beneficent, the Knowledgeable, the Protector, the Mighty,
the God, the Provider, the Exalted, the Lord, the All-Knowing, the
All-Hearing, the All-Seeing, the Magnificent, the Wise, the Loving, the
First, the Last, and the Eternal.

The Qur'an mentions around 100 beautiful names for Allah through which
Muslims may understand and recognize Him, and His responsibilities for
the whole Universe.
(Source:MSA-USC)

Allah ()
The Name of the Creator of the Universe and all that it contains
according to Islam. Derives from the word "Ilah" which means "the One
deserving all worship", the One to Whom all hearts submit in love, fear,
reverence, desire, trust and sincerity, and to Whom all limbs submit in
all forms of worship such as prayers, supplications, sacrifices,
invocations, etc.(Source:IslamIQ)

Allah (al-lah) Click Here to Hear
Literally, "The God." Muslims use this Arabic term as the proper name
for God. Muslims view Allah as the Creator and Sustainer of everything
in the universe, Who is transcendent, has no physical form, and has no
associates who share in His divinity. In the Qur'an, God is described as
having at least ninety-nine Divine Names, which describe His attributes.
(Source:CIE)

http://www.islamicity.com/Quransearch/
or
http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/quran/108.htm#83

the number refers to the book.

Now what I would like confirmation on is verses like:
Surah 110. Succour, Divine Support

3. Celebrate the praises of thy Lord, and pray for His Forgiveness: For
He is Oft-Returning (in Grace and Mercy).

Now to Christians this would refer to Jesus Christ... Not sure whom this
refers to in Islam.

One more thing This section seems to resemble the book of Psalms in our
bible... For the folks in (ari) am I reading this correct?

Ike

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Guardian Pegasus wrote:

> On Wed, 18 May 2005 05:05:09 GMT, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net>
> wrote:
>
>

>>Since I'm not a Muslim, perhaps someone can explain what the
>>following passage from the Koran means in context:
>
>

> For every verse and hadith you can find that shows islam in a positive
> light, I can show you a dozen highly disturbing ones.
>
> Islam is a pedophile death cult. Deal with it.

I can do the same in both the old & new Testaments of the Bible
both Catholic & Protestant versions.

Does this mean that Christianity & Judaism are "pedophile death
cults" as well under YOUR Definition?

Ike

Mountain Orc

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May 18, 2005, 4:47:47 PM5/18/05

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u2 fan wrote:

> Why do people always tell me to quit breathing their clean air?

Mountain Orc

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May 18, 2005, 4:49:15 PM5/18/05

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The +Revd wrote:

An awful lot about his sexual meetings with other perverts in public
restrooms.

Mountain Orc

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May 18, 2005, 4:50:02 PM5/18/05

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The +Revd wrote:

> Will drinking my piss save me in the desert?

Try it and tell us...if you live of course.

Mountain Orc

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The +Revd wrote:

> I like peat. I'm too stupid to know of anything else to smoke.

Too stupid about anything else period.

Guardian Pegasus

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On Wed, 18 May 2005 16:06:42 GMT, Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net>
wrote:

>Douglas is quite correct. On the other hand..the Extremists of the
>Whabi sect interpret the Quran the way they see fit and they are the
>current movers and shakers behind the current Jihad.

Oy, you think it's limited to Wahabis? There isn't really that much to
seperate them from the rest. Especially when they cheer on every time
they kill lots of innocent westerners.

Guardian Pegasus

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May 18, 2005, 5:15:57 PM5/18/05

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On Wed, 18 May 2005 15:07:02 GMT, Douglas Berry
<pengu...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:

>Infidels. During my time in Saudi Arabia, we were welcomed as guests
>by the Bedu, who informed us (through translators) that their tents
>were our tents, their food our food, and their water our water for as
>long as we wished to stay. Incredible people, and hospitality and
>tolerance were part of their Muslim faith.
>
>I had similar experiences in Jordan and Turkey. Only the extremists
>ignore the Koran's instructions to the faithful to be tolerant of

People are people everywhere. Crowds of people on the other hand are
stupid and dangerous. I also have trouble believing your experiences
are particularely representative. Sure, if you go to tourist places,
people will be nice, because they want your money. Likewide, the Bedu
are a tribal people, who have never been completely in tune with the
"new" islam and have kept their traditions alive. The same is true for
kurds etc.

You don't have to go far to realize most muslims are fucked up. My
wife and I are frequently spat after and have derogatory comments
flung after us because I'm white and she *looks* like she might be a
muslim. She's brazillian. You would not believe some of the comments
we've gotten. But worst of all is the stares... frequent stares, by
most all muslims we pass on the street. I've been pretty close to
losing my cool several times.

Sure, most muslims are like all other people... the problem is the
disproportationate ammount of them who are brainwashed fucked up nazi
shitheads.

Agki

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>Does this mean that Christianity & Judaism are "pedophile death cults"
as well under >YOUR Definition?

>Ike

Why not dump all of them? Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, the
Sky Gods Who Make Thunder... All of them... except maybe Buddhism which
has no god.

Agki

Moderate Mammal

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On Wed, 18 May 2005 15:07:02 GMT, Douglas Berry
<pengu...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 18 May 2005 05:48:44 GMT, Moderate Mammal
><BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> drained his beer, leaned back in the
>alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed the following
>

>>>It seems consistent with the opinion of an expert I once met while
>>>visiting an Islamic country, as he claimed that Islam stressed tolerance.
>>

>>For whom?

>
>Infidels. During my time in Saudi Arabia, we were welcomed as guests
>by the Bedu, who informed us (through translators) that their tents
>were our tents, their food our food, and their water our water for as
>long as we wished to stay. Incredible people, and hospitality and
>tolerance were part of their Muslim faith.

Bullshit. First, if you're a women your presence is barely tolerated
as a 'guest'. Second, she must abide by the strict code of dress.

And if you dare leave the tent, the 'tolerance' of the fascist death
cult will get you in serious trouble for minor infractions of
'hospitality'. Including your cute 'drunkenly'. Never mind the
insane restrictions on non muslims in muslim nations. And the overt
racism.

--
Keith

>
>I had similar experiences in Jordan and Turkey. Only the extremists
>ignore the Koran's instructions to the faithful to be tolerant of

>others in favor of the orders to kill those who threaten the
>believers.
>
>Ever actually read the rules for the third Jihad, war against the
>unfaithful?
>
>"Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but
>begin not hostilities. Indeed God does not love transgressors (Koran
>2:192-193)."
>
> "..So if they hold aloof from you and wage not war against you and
>offer you peace. God allows you no way against them (KORAN 4:90)."
>
>"And if any of the idolaters seeks of you protection, grant him (her)
>protection till he hears the words of God, then convey him to his
>place of security. That is because they are a folk who know
>not..(KORAN 9:6-8)."
>
>"How is it with you that you do not fight in God's way, when the
>feeble among the men, women and children are saying, "Our lord, bring
>us forth from this place whose people are tyrants. O God give us from
>your presence some protector and helper.'(KORAN 4:75-76)."

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On Wed, 18 May 2005 20:26:06 GMT, Lazyike67
<lazy...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote:

>Guardian Pegasus wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 18 May 2005 05:05:09 GMT, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Since I'm not a Muslim, perhaps someone can explain what the
>>>following passage from the Koran means in context:
>>
>>
>> For every verse and hadith you can find that shows islam in a positive
>> light, I can show you a dozen highly disturbing ones.
>>
>> Islam is a pedophile death cult. Deal with it.
>
>I can do the same in both the old & new Testaments of the Bible
>both Catholic & Protestant versions.

Blah, blah...same old retort by idiots defending islam. If you cannot
*DEMONSTRATE* with evidence based in reality the violence perpetrated
by islam is the same juxtaposed with other religions you're wasting
everyone's time. The reason of course is because you can't.

--
Keith

>
>Does this mean that Christianity & Judaism are "pedophile death
>cults" as well under YOUR Definition?
>
>Ike

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Moderate Mammal

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On 18 May 2005 06:48:53 -0700, "Nosterill" <ro...@davinoptronics.com>
wrote:

>In future I shall think of you as Mammal. The word "moderate" does not
>sit well with these rants.

Moderates do not support raving lunatic death cults, murder, genocide,
rape, torture, beheadings, honor killings, racism, slavery, sexism,
bigotry, taxes on infidels and forced conversions.

http://freedomhouse.org/religion/news/bn2005/bn-2005-01-28.htm

What is taught in US Mosques

http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_8241.shtml

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-honor20mar20,1,4697145,print.story?coll=la-headl

http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/02/muslim-rape-epidemic-in-sweden-and.html

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3806689

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/GrantSwank41116.htm

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16125

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/7/10/160934.shtml

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=5152

Islam in Belgium.

http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=9583

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/12/07/nrace07.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/12/07/ixhome.html

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16191

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/GrantSwank41106.htm

Muslims terrorize Rotterdam.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina40828.htm

Islamic Kingdom of England?

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16117

Swedish children for sale.

http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/

Islamic Genocide in India.

http://aina.org/martyr.htm

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5887

http://www.genoeg.nu/

Theo Van Gogh

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/003131.php

Sweden an Islamic State?

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5802

http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=1&story_id=5482

'Dutch' muslims join jihad.

http://www.bnp.org.uk/news_detail.php?newsId=28

http://washingtontimes.com/commentary/20041114-103944-4700r.htm

The end of Holland?

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=6485

http://pub.tv2.no/nettavisen/english/article284238.ece

'Peaceful muslims' in Norway.

http://pub.tv2.no/nettavisen/english/article254421.ece

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2757&highlight=norway

Moderate Mammal

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May 18, 2005, 6:29:44 PM5/18/05

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Thanks for the cogent reply. Like all other replies from the neo left
and right.

--
Keith

>As for the second Question ... You Idiots that's who...
>
>Ike

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May 18, 2005, 6:30:37 PM5/18/05

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In other words, you can't.

--
Keith

Moderate Mammal

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May 18, 2005, 6:34:58 PM5/18/05

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On Wed, 18 May 2005 11:27:34 -0700, chibiabos <ch...@outreach.com>
wrote:

Geez, how come muslim and atheist nations are run as fascist
theocracies or communist dictatorships and Christian, Jewish, Hindu,
et al majority nations are democracies? And why aren't those that
think islam is so hip moving there?

--
Keith

>-chib

Moderate Mammal

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On 18 May 2005 14:02:41 GMT, fwhite*NOSPAM*@colfax.com (Frank White)
wrote:

>In article <3esk81p6q2sjo06ri...@4ax.com>, BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net says...

>>
>>
>>
>>ISLAM: CALL IT A CULT AND SHUT IT DOWN!
>>
>>http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=95548
>>http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_8241.shtml
>>May 17, 2005
>>J. Grant Swank, Jr.
>>
>>Islam is a cult — a killing cult. America shuts down killing cults.
>

><space saving snip>
>
>That's odd. It doesn't seem to have done anything about Catholicism
>(that's little business called the Inquisition, hint hint).

Pssst! I have a shocking revelation(no pun intended). It's 2005.

hth
--
Keith

>
>(And people wonder why the Muslim world is uniting against us. It's
>because we're always crouched this in terms of the need for us to
>commit genocide against them to prevent them from doing it to us,
>and they're reacting accordingly. Only the fanatical Muslims held
>that view before; now, all of them are starting to think they have
>no other option...)
>
>(I blame the Cold War for this. Back then we got in the habit of
>thinking "It's them or us" regarding Communism, and now we can't
>stop. This 'You're with us or you're against us' attitude is
>killing us, internationally...)
>
>FW

Scipio

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May 18, 2005, 8:21:56 PM5/18/05

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On Wed, 18 May 2005 05:05:09 GMT, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net>
wrote:

>Moderate Mammal <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> writes:

>
>> Islam, sometimes referred to as the Muslim religion, dictates,
>> according to its deity, Allah, that Islamics kill all non-Islamics.
>

>Since I'm not a Muslim, perhaps someone can explain what the
>following passage from the Koran means in context:
>

> The Disbelievers
>
> In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
> [109.1] Say: O unbelievers!
> [109.2] I do not serve that which you serve,
> [109.3] Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve:
> [109.4] Nor am I going to serve that which you serve,
> [109.5] Nor are you going to serve Him Whom I serve:
> [109.6] You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.
>

>It seems consistent with the opinion of an expert I once met while
>visiting an Islamic country, as he claimed that Islam stressed tolerance.
>

>Given the state of the world today, tolerance is sorely needed.

I hate people who say "Stop the Hate".

Guardian Pegasus

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May 18, 2005, 9:28:09 PM5/18/05

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On Wed, 18 May 2005 17:21:56 -0700, Scipio <iluvt...@actd.net>
wrote:

>>Given the state of the world today, tolerance is sorely needed.
>
>I hate people who say "Stop the Hate".

I hate people who want us to tolerate the intolerable. Why should we
tolerate people who by any means will wipe us out of existence, given
the chance? Destructive, evil, fascism under any other name is still
fascism. Islam camoflagues itself as a religion, which makes it nearly
immune from scrutiny... and that is the greatest danger of all.
Unchallenged fascism. And not only is it largely unchallenged... lots
of liberals EMBRACE them, because they see them as the victims. Boy,
are they going to learn a sore lesson this century.

Lawrence Glickman

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On Thu, 19 May 2005 03:28:09 +0200, Guardian Pegasus
<Pope.Been-a-Dick.Adolf.Panze...@holysee.va>
wrote:

Taking the rest of us along unwillingly....

Dan

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May 18, 2005, 9:53:13 PM5/18/05

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"Moderate Mammal" <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> ISLAM: CALL IT A CULT AND SHUT IT DOWN!
>
> http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=95548
> http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_8241.shtml
> May 17, 2005
> J. Grant Swank, Jr.
>

> Islam is a cult - a killing cult. America shuts down killing cults.

Sorry, but christianity is not shut down, so your argument fails.

Dan

--
"...a terrorist would have to be really stupid to attack George's office,
because the odds of George being there are so slim. "

Ben Tripp

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May 18, 2005, 10:38:29 PM5/18/05

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On Wed, 18 May 2005 22:16:09 GMT, Moderate Mammal

<BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> drained his beer, leaned back in the
alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed the following

>On Wed, 18 May 2005 15:07:02 GMT, Douglas Berry
><pengu...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:

>>Infidels. During my time in Saudi Arabia, we were welcomed as guests
>>by the Bedu, who informed us (through translators) that their tents
>>were our tents, their food our food, and their water our water for as
>>long as we wished to stay. Incredible people, and hospitality and
>>tolerance were part of their Muslim faith.
>
>Bullshit. First, if you're a women your presence is barely tolerated
>as a 'guest'. Second, she must abide by the strict code of dress.

Not among the Bedu, nor in Jordan and Turkey. Saudi Arabia and Iran
are not the entire Islamic world.

>And if you dare leave the tent, the 'tolerance' of the fascist death
>cult will get you in serious trouble for minor infractions of
>'hospitality'. Including your cute 'drunkenly'. Never mind the
>insane restrictions on non muslims in muslim nations. And the overt
>racism.

I see that facts get in the way of your bigotry.
--

Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.

Gunner

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May 18, 2005, 11:03:52 PM5/18/05

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On Wed, 18 May 2005 23:07:29 +0200, Guardian Pegasus
<Pope.Been-a-Dick.Adolf.Panze...@holysee.va>
wrote:

>On Wed, 18 May 2005 16:06:42 GMT, Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net>

Limited to? Hardly...see the part about "current movers and
shakers".

Its not hard for an extremist Cleric to give the old 72 Virgins and
all the hash you can smoke schtick to the goat herders kid and send
him off for the Glory of Allah (praise be his name)

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

Darkwing (Official Disinformation Agent of Usenet)

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May 18, 2005, 11:09:38 PM5/18/05

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"Gunner" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
news:bspm81d9b8i1s96hl...@4ax.com...

> On Wed, 18 May 2005 15:07:02 GMT, Douglas Berry

> <pengu...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 18 May 2005 05:48:44 GMT, Moderate Mammal

>><BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> drained his beer, leaned back in the
>>alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed the following
>>

>>>>It seems consistent with the opinion of an expert I once met while
>>>>visiting an Islamic country, as he claimed that Islam stressed
>>>>tolerance.
>>>

>>>For whom?

>>
>>Infidels. During my time in Saudi Arabia, we were welcomed as guests
>>by the Bedu, who informed us (through translators) that their tents
>>were our tents, their food our food, and their water our water for as
>>long as we wished to stay. Incredible people, and hospitality and
>>tolerance were part of their Muslim faith.
>>

>>I had similar experiences in Jordan and Turkey. Only the extremists
>>ignore the Koran's instructions to the faithful to be tolerant of
>>others in favor of the orders to kill those who threaten the
>>believers.
>>
>>Ever actually read the rules for the third Jihad, war against the
>>unfaithful?
>>
>>"Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but
>>begin not hostilities. Indeed God does not love transgressors (Koran
>>2:192-193)."
>>
>> "..So if they hold aloof from you and wage not war against you and
>>offer you peace. God allows you no way against them (KORAN 4:90)."
>>
>>"And if any of the idolaters seeks of you protection, grant him (her)
>>protection till he hears the words of God, then convey him to his
>>place of security. That is because they are a folk who know
>>not..(KORAN 9:6-8)."
>>
>>"How is it with you that you do not fight in God's way, when the
>>feeble among the men, women and children are saying, "Our lord, bring
>>us forth from this place whose people are tyrants. O God give us from
>>your presence some protector and helper.'(KORAN 4:75-76)."
>

> Douglas is quite correct. On the other hand..the Extremists of the
> Whabi sect interpret the Quran the way they see fit and they are the
> current movers and shakers behind the current Jihad.
>

> It doesnt hurt that a significant percentage of Muslims in the ME are
> fairly ignorant with little grasp of geopolitics other than blood fued
> against real or drummed up enemies.
>
> Gunner

Most EDUCATED Muslims in the Middle East were not aware that the USA is the
largest supplier of aid money in the world according to a recent poll. The
USA is only the Great Satan because bad men tell ignorant men that it is
true.

---------------------------------------------------------
DW

The +Revd

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On Wed, 18 May 2005 13:51:17 -0500, "The Department of Defense"
<the...@ss.mil> wrote:

>
>"The +Revd" <reneg*de@anglic*n.org> wrote in message

>news:428b6703...@news.onetel.net.uk...

>> On Wed, 18 May 2005 10:18:28 -0500, "The Department of Defense"
>> <the...@ss.mil> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"The +Revd" <reneg*de@anglic*n.org> wrote in message
>> >news:428af40e...@news.onetel.net.uk...
>> >> On Wed, 18 May 2005 06:25:25 GMT, "The Department of Defense"
>> >> <the...@ss.mil> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >"The +Revd" <reneg*de@anglic*n.org> wrote in message
>> >> >news:428ade45...@news.onetel.net.uk...
>> >> >> On Wed, 18 May 2005 00:50:27 -0500, Mountain Orc
>> >> >> <crunch_bugs@ben_crammer_the_bug.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> I think I had a synapse?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It's possible. Anything's possible.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>I was actually zapped by lightning, fucktard that I am.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Standing under trees in storms is something asshole like you do.
>> >> >
>> >> >Shut up Rev. You hold an Umbrella... Asswipe.....
>> >>
>> >> Piss off, Doodoo. Get yourself a lightning conductor and hold that
>> >> the next time you get caught in a thunderstorm. Hey, it works for
>> >> churches. Cretin...
>> >
>> >Why are you babbling, Rev. Go back to tokin on some peat.
>>

>> Just say NO to drugs, Doodoo.
>
>I also say no to Pure_breds.

That's appropriate for someone from a mongrel country, Doodoo.

The +Revd

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On Wed, 18 May 2005 15:49:15 -0500, Mountain Orc
<crunch_bugs@ben_crammer_the_bug.com> wrote:

>Want to hear about my sexual meetings with other perverts in public
>restrooms?

No thanks. You're a sick asshole.

The +Revd

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On Wed, 18 May 2005 15:50:02 -0500, Mountain Orc
<crunch_bugs@ben_crammer_the_bug.com> wrote:

>Will drinking my piss save me in the desert?

>I'll try it and tell you...if I live of course.

Don't bother. Nobody gives a flying fuck.

The +Revd

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On Wed, 18 May 2005 15:51:23 -0500, Mountain Orc
<crunch_bugs@ben_crammer_the_bug.com> wrote:

>> On Wed, 18 May 2005 10:18:28 -0500, "The Department of Defense"
>> <the...@ss.mil> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"The +Revd" <reneg*de@anglic*n.org> wrote in message
>>>news:428af40e...@news.onetel.net.uk...
>>>> On Wed, 18 May 2005 06:25:25 GMT, "The Department of Defense"
>>>> <the...@ss.mil> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >"The +Revd" <reneg*de@anglic*n.org> wrote in message
>>>> >news:428ade45...@news.onetel.net.uk...
>>>> >> On Wed, 18 May 2005 00:50:27 -0500, Mountain Orc
>>>> >> <crunch_bugs@ben_crammer_the_bug.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> I think I had a synapse?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It's possible. Anything's possible.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>I was actually zapped by lightning, fucktard that I am.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Standing under trees in storms is something asshole like you do.
>>>> >
>>>> >Shut up Rev. You hold an Umbrella... Asswipe.....
>>>>
>>>> Piss off, Doodoo. Get yourself a lightning conductor and hold that
>>>> the next time you get caught in a thunderstorm. Hey, it works for
>>>> churches. Cretin...
>>>
>>>Why are you babbling, Rev. Go back to tokin on some peat.
>>
>I like peat. I'm too stupid to know of anything else to smoke.
>Too stupid about anything else period.

Tell us something we don't already know already.

DirtyLiberal

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It IS a cult.
--
Ronald Schwarts
http://www.DirtyLiberal.com (ask about the free right wing bumper stickers
:-)

"The +Revd" <reneg*de@anglic*n.org> wrote in message

news:428ac25d...@news.onetel.net.uk...
> This deserves a matzo, jewlover. You'll have to wait until Saturday,
> though.
> <schnigger>
>
> On 18 May 2005 01:07:11 GMT, the jewloving shabbos goy John Griffin

> bot <thathi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Moderate Mammal <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote:
>>

>>> On Tue, 17 May 2005 22:43:25 GMT, Moderate Mammal
>>> <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snipped>
>>>
>>> Now watch the atheist kooks defend islam.
>>
>>Watch for a stream of reminders of some of the centuries-past
>>misbehavior of Christians in "defense" of that disgusting,
>>primitive cult. So far, everyone who has been stupid enough to
>>argue in favor of Islam has been stupid enough to think that
>>those things justify the backward cult's savagery.
>>
>>Islam can not ever be a part of human civilization, because The
>>Pervert Mohammed dictated every moment of the primitive life of a
>>Mohammedan in his stupid fucking book. Any Moslem who tries to
>>join the 21st century (or even the 18th) forfeits his life.
>>
>>Islam is a cancer.
>>
>>
>

The Department of Defense

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"The +Revd" <reneg*de@anglic*n.org> wrote in message

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I would not have it any other way, Jackass. As much as I bitch about illegal
immigration, I love that my country which is still the best melting pot,
hands down. I am sorry for your fellow countrymen like Ariadne, jackkincaid
and others that have to live with sorry shitbags like yourself.

The +Revd

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On Thu, 19 May 2005 06:58:26 GMT, "The Department of Defense"
<the...@ss.mil> wrote:

You wouldn't have any other choice, shithead.

> As much as I bitch about illegal
>immigration, I love that my country which is still the best melting pot,

For "melting pot" read "menagerie". E pluribus multi. LOL

>hands down. I am sorry for your fellow countrymen like Ariadne, jackkincaid
>and others that have to live with sorry shitbags like yourself.

Ariadne and the other jew assholes don't have to live here. They know
which way 'Israel' is.

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"The +Revd" <reneg*de@anglic*n.org> wrote in message

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Indeed you racial cocksucker.

>>hands down. I am sorry for your fellow countrymen like Ariadne,
>>jackkincaid
>>and others that have to live with sorry shitbags like yourself.
>
> Ariadne

Is just one, and a fine Brit as well. What about jackkincaid? He is a white
boy?

>and the other jew assholes don't have to live here. They know
> which way 'Israel' is.

Your an ass Rev. but whats new?

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