THE MYSTERY OF THE WTC COLLAPSE
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Title: THE MYSTERY OF THE WTC COLLAPSE Source: SKYDRIFTER URL Source:
http://N/A Published: Aug 9, 2003 Author: SKYDRIFTER Post Date:
2003-08-09 23:54:39 by SKYDRIFTER
THE MYSTERY OF THE WTC COLLAPSE
The more one reads about the WTC collapse, the more skeptical they
should become of the "official" account. The following presentation
is speculation, but well worth thinking about.
WHY?
Because the investigators at the WTC site were hampered to the
maximum, documentation efforts were equally hampered; and the debris
was too quickly - and profitably - disposed of; overseas.
Just for starters, 9-11 represented the first collapse of a
steel-framed building, allegedly from fire. BUT - there were three
such occurrences; not just one. That's asking too much from
'coincidence,' just by virtue of two separate architectural styles;
within a ten-hour period of time. Most spectacularly, no 'official'
questions were asked. WHY?
COVERUP is the unique legacy of ALL of the 9-11 events, as is true
of subsequent events. That leaves the obvious question, "SO, what's
being covered up? The planes hit the buildings, they burned &
collapsed. What's the big deal?"
Originally, that was my question.
"Christine" recently insisted that I buy the book, "Painful Questions."
She was adamant that there was something which she believed that I
would see. She didn't know what, but she was sure that I could
"...pick the sand out of the pepper," as the saying goes. That
"woman's intuition" again.
The book centers on the flaws in the "official" accounts of 9-11.
The color illustrations and the photographs are worth the price of
the book. It took about five minutes to see that something was
something very badly wrong in the "official" account. Nothing new,
when it comes to anything associated with 9-11. I was slow; Christine
was correct - she knew! Don't ask me how; she just knew.
One must first go to the reports and descriptions of the molten
steel at the base of all three buildings, including 7-WTC. Those
reports are too strange to ignore; particularly given the associated
thermal imagery of the post-collapse WTC site. Those reports are
not limited to a single individual, or any "group." The 'pools of
molten steel' descriptions quickly lead the military mindset to
something on the order of massive Thermite charges. Try to imagine
that the mechanical energy of the collapse could "melt and pool"
any steel. Forget it!
Bending steel with horrendous energy is one thing, melting it is
another. For those uninformed, Thermite charges can be either
'passive' (melt-down only) or dynamic, in the form of "shape charges."
Yes, such would be one hell of an undertaking; no argument.
Forty-seven center-core steel columns (or a high percentage) would
have to be rigged. But, just the obvious and well-documented
"official" deceptions of 9-11 were massive undertakings. Thus, the
term 'impossible' is not particularly appropriate, here
Steel will do all kinds of "tricks," but melting requires the basic
melting temperature - or greater. To obtain melting temperature,
one needs the external temperature of approximately 2,700 degrees
(F) with enough time for the metal to convert from a solid to a
liquid.
The process can be accelerated, but only with a much higher temperature
- such as Thermite - approximately 4,000 degrees (F). All the jet
fuel in the world won't burn hot enough to produce molten steel -
under any conditions.
The center-section supporting structure of the buildings broke apart
as it collapsed. An argument for 'mechanical energy transmission'
doesn't hold up. It's not the same as hitting a nail with a
sledge-hammer. A 'shattering' sledge-hammer would not carry the
force to strike, deform and 'heat' a nail.
The south WTC tower is most representative of the collapses. Remember
that it lost it's "cap" - - therefore the energy from the structure
above would - in theory - be adequately diverted so as NOT to induce
a continued - and total - vertical collapse of the remainder of the
structure. In theory, the "cap" should have torn loose and independently
fallen. However, if there had been an independent - and nearly
simultaneous - collapse of the core, the collapse would continue -
vertically. The "cap" tilted by approximately 22 degrees, but did
not fall off; it collapsed - in "formation" - with the rest of the
structure. The simultaneous "fall"
of the two sections tells a story, by itself.
The mechanical tilt of the "cap" should have relieved a major portion
of the purely vertical stress from above; alleviating any tendency
for the immediate lower structure to "pancake;" as was witnessed.
With the outer walls being vertically self-supporting, any interior
dynamics would be hidden from view. Remember that the shattering
of the outer walls followed the collapse of the building core.
By all that's sensible, the individual floor "plates" might have
been able to let go ("peeling" from around the columns and the outer
walls), but - as a minimum - the lower (ground level) segments of
the inner columns should have been left standing, somewhat vertically,
like stray swizzle-sticks. Yet, clearly something major also happened
at the very base of the building.
Given that the lower columns were radically thicker steel, and
obviously stronger, some of the columns should have still been
standing - in some significant number. Yet, from the post-collapse
photographs, the outer walls appeared to be the strongest vertical
sections; which they were not. Yet, the lower outer walls were left
standing; not the more massive "core" columns.
Depending on the size descriptions of the "molten steel," available,
the suggestion goes to the idea that there might have been 'over-kill'
Thermite charges at the very bottom, guaranteeing the total vertical
collapse. Strictly as a guess, one might estimate an eight-foot
section abruptly melted down - or was taken down by Thermite "shape
charges."
In the videos & pictures of the collapsing segments, it is clear
that the lower windows were exploding significantly below the
collapsing section above. That could only be a "plunger" effect,
expelling the air as the core collapsed - independently of the outer
shell. In simple terms, those images represent the differential
between gravity accelerating the core, versus the outer walls,
resisting collapse, with their independent vertical support. As the
core collapsed, the shell segments let go from the lateral forces,
which they were not stressed for.
An interesting effect is seen in many images of the collapse. As
the entirety of the buildings' mass accelerates downward, the effect
of "Bournili's Principle" is illustrated. A low pressure is created,
causing the respective column of dust and smoke to be briefly sucked
inward, above the collapsing structure.
In the overall mechanics of such a collapse, the lowest floor would
only have traveled the distance of the missing "basement" segment.
[For the sake of argument, again, let's call that eight feet.] The
lower floor would have traveled eight feet, then stopped. However,
with that collapse (transmitted the full length of the core - to
the very top of the building) the upper segment would experience
an acceleration effect in the classic 'mass-times-acceleration'
equation. Thus, with the impact and fire damage, at the top, the
weakened and 'segmented' upper portion would be dynamically converted
into a "plunger." Gravity did the rest.
To keep such an operation simple, it's necessary to entertain the
idea also that ONLY the base of the columns were rigged with Thermite
charges. With enough induced force (collapse), the upper "core"
column attachment joints could conceivably shear/shatter in a domino
effect from the downward accelerating mass.
Beyond the mechanics of the collapse, it should be noted that ANY
mechanics which approach this description betray an extensive and
remarkable engineering and operational feat; make no mistake about
it. Such an effort couldn't possibly have come from the caves of
Afghanistan!
It's more than just "interesting" that nobody wants to go near the
"coincidence" of the 7-WTC collapse, not even FEMA, in their WTC
report. The video captures of 7-WTC display every characteristic
of a commercial demolition collapse. Once again, the core of the
building led the collapse of the outer walls.
FEMA's association with the WTC should be instantly regarded in a
jaundiced light - period. That statement is inspired by their
"influenced" report on the Murrah building bombing in Oklahoma City.
The report was based on a blast crater of 28 feet. The photographic
evidence shows an 18-foot crater; clearly far too small to account
for the damage. The seismic data demonstrated two blasts, not one.
The argument of the secondary "reflected" (echo) signal doesn't
hold up, as the magnitude of a "reflected" signal would have been
diminished, which it was not. Two seismic stations show identical
timing between the blasts. A reflected" signal would have shown an
increased time differential; between the close-in station, and the
distant station (20 miles away).
The one unexplained WTC issue is the continuing fire from below the
collapsed debris. That was NOT jet fuel, just by virtue of the smoke
color. Any residual liquid fuel would have been burned or dispersed
- essentially evaporated, on the way down. There would not have
been enough remaining liquid fuel to account for the subterranean
temperatures; jet fuel doesn't "smolder." By all evidence, and
pragmatic thinking, the smoke was smoldering debris and escaping
residual heat. BUT the post-collapse temperatures were radically
too high to be just smoldering "building debris;" even with any
remaining jet fuel being factored. However, the residual heat from
the required Thermite charges would account for the temperatures
recorded.
Again, this presentation is speculation. I don't have "hard"
evidence. Yet, the description above goes to the core issue, that
the "official" account is far too inadequate.
As to "Motivation" -
Documented history leaves no doubt that the Afghan war was pre-planned,
by approximately a year. The money trail instantly answers the "que
bono" question - who benefits? The cover-ups serve to certify the
remaining conclusions. The history leading to the Iraq War leaves
not one, but two invasions as nothing less than international War
Crimes. The Geneva Conventions and the binding effect of the U.N.
Charter leave no doubt.
The Viet Nam War leaves a pre-existing model of the cold-blooded
Texas "corporate" greed. Viet Nam, the Gulf War, Afghanistan and
Iraq - always with the uninterrupted theme of "blood-for-oil." Any
denials are wasted energy; the documentation is far to clear.
Given the billions - if not trillions - in profit potential and the
indicators of history - before and after 9-11 - the above account
should NOT be taken - or dismissed - as mere "Conspiracy Theory."
Yet there is the usual expected question, "WHY should ANYBODY buy
into this rubbish?" Because there is NO "theory" associated with
the non-investigations of the pandered "failures" which lead to
9-11. The "whistle-blowers" who tried to prevent what was to become
9-11 were hammered - and remain hammered. Their expertise is crucial,
regardless of the alleged politics. Those facts alone point to the
terrible truth of an obvious Inside-Job; whatever the relevant
details may be - OR; not be.
* * * * *
noobie
Answer: Airplanes crashed into it.
Result: Mystery solved.
-noob
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What's it like to be mindless?
bookman
"Napalm Deaf" <spamsp...@spam.spam> wrote in message
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> "noobie" <not...@notreal.com> wrote in news:ErWZa.41300$Bp2.26027
> @fed1read07:
>
> >> Title: THE MYSTERY OF THE WTC COLLAPSE
> >
> > Answer: Airplanes crashed into it.
> >
> > Result: Mystery solved.
> >
> > -noob
> >
> >
> >
>
> What's it like to be mindless?
One would imagine it would involve re-posting 14k of
idiotic Kookery, and asking "What's it like to be mindless?".
Enjoy the Konspiracy: We are coming for you - Soon!
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Harry MF Teasley
> Great post.
You mispelled "boring and unfunny".
> Stick around for all the disinfo people to argue you into the
> ground with inane comments...
You mispelled, "Hey, let's post this to AFU where everyone now wants to
ram an airplane up Napalm Deaf's ass and then form a conspiracy to make it
look like Naplam just has an overabundance of Boeing in his diet and died
during an attack of acute gastric distress."
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Filth Estate
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> In alt.folklore.urban Napalm Deaf <spamsp...@spam.spam> wrote:
>
>> Great post.
>
> You mispelled "boring and unfunny".
>
>> Stick around for all the disinfo people to argue you into the
>> ground with inane comments...
>
> You mispelled, "Hey, let's post this to AFU where everyone now wants
> to ram an airplane up Napalm Deaf's ass and then form a conspiracy to
> make it look like Naplam just has an overabundance of Boeing in his
> diet and died during an attack of acute gastric distress."
>
> Harry "have a nice day, don't visit again too soon" Teasley
>
Thanks for proving my point nicely, Harry.
Irony Alert
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>
> Title: THE MYSTERY OF THE WTC COLLAPSE Source: SKYDRIFTER URL Source:
> http://N/A Published: Aug 9, 2003 Author: SKYDRIFTER Post Date:
> 2003-08-09 23:54:39 by SKYDRIFTER
>
> THE MYSTERY OF THE WTC COLLAPSE
Whats the mystery? A big plane flew into each one of the towers, weakening
the structural integrity and the heat from the jet fuel caused them to
collapse.
Filth Estate
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Does that explain pools of molten steel beneath the WTCs?
Mister Sinister
wrote:
>What's it like to be mindless?
Spot The Irony?
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John Griffin
"Napalm Deaf" <spamsp...@spam.spam> wrote
> anon...@nyx10.nyx.net (Name withheld by request) wrote in
> >
> > Title: THE MYSTERY OF THE WTC COLLAPSE Source: SKYDRIFTER URL Source:
> > http://N/A Published: Aug 9, 2003 Author: SKYDRIFTER Post Date:
> > 2003-08-09 23:54:39 by SKYDRIFTER
> >
> > THE MYSTERY OF THE WTC COLLAPSE
> >
> > The more one reads about the WTC collapse, the more skeptical they
> > should become of the "official" account. The following presentation
> > is speculation, but well worth thinking about.
How about that. He thinks his fantasies are worth thinking about.
> >
> > WHY?
>> [ Stupid thermite story snipped ]
....except for this paragraph.
> > An interesting effect is seen in many images of the collapse. As
> > the entirety of the buildings' mass accelerates downward, the effect
> > of "Bournili's Principle" is illustrated. A low pressure is created,
> > causing the respective column of dust and smoke to be briefly sucked
> > inward, above the collapsing structure.
> >
> > * * * * *
>
> Great post. Stick around for all the disinfo people to argue you into the
> ground with inane comments...
Yours got that program off to a fine start.
Hey, would one of you turkeys please take a moment and tell
us more about "Bournili's Principle"?
vince
Actually it was the heat from the contents fire. The jet fuel acted
as a large "molotov cocktail" to ignite the contents. #7 WTC also
collapsed from a contents fire, and it was not hit by an airplane.
Professor Vincent Brannigan
Department of Fire Protection Engineering
University of Maryland
College Park Md.
Filth Estate
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> On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 03:10:18 GMT, Napalm Deaf <spamsp...@spam.spam>
> wrote:
>
>>What's it like to be mindless?
> Spot The Irony?
Smell the IKYABWAI?
Filth Estate
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>
I'll tell you about Bernoulli right after you explain pools of molten
steel, and a building that falls at the speed of gravity, without
resistance.
Filth Estate
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You are a very sick man.
Does that explain the pools of molten steel?
Or how ***3*** buildings collapsed in the manner of a controlled
demolition?
Russell Ranshaw
us more about "Bournili's Principle"?
Could it be a variation on Bernoulli's Principle?
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John Griffin
"Russell Ranshaw" <rran...@cogeco.ca> wrote
> <Hey, would one of you turkeys please take a moment and tell
> us more about "Bournili's Principle"?
>
>
>
> Could it be a variation on Bernoulli's Principle?
I took it as evidence that the guy had absolutely no idea
what he was talking about. There was lots more evidence,
but that was the funniest part.
John Griffin
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> fir...@pressroom.com (vince) wrote in
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>
> > "Irony Alert" <Irony...@DumbassDetection.BIZ> wrote in message
> > news:<pM%Za.124865$Ho3.15913@sccrnsc03>...
> >> "Name withheld by request" <anon...@nyx10.nyx.net> wrote in message
> >> news:10606460...@irys.nyx.net...
> >> >
> >> > Title: THE MYSTERY OF THE WTC COLLAPSE Source: SKYDRIFTER URL
> >> > Source: http://N/A Published: Aug 9, 2003 Author: SKYDRIFTER Post
> >> > Date: 2003-08-09 23:54:39 by SKYDRIFTER
> >> >
> >> > THE MYSTERY OF THE WTC COLLAPSE
> >>
> >> Whats the mystery? A big plane flew into each one of the towers,
> >> weakening the structural integrity and the heat from the jet fuel
> >> caused them to collapse.
> >
> > Actually it was the heat from the contents fire. The jet fuel acted
> > as a large "molotov cocktail" to ignite the contents. #7 WTC also
> > collapsed from a contents fire, and it was not hit by an airplane.
> >
> > Professor Vincent Brannigan
> > Department of Fire Protection Engineering
> > University of Maryland
> > College Park Md.
> >
>
> You are a very sick man.
>
> Does that explain the pools of molten steel?
>
> Or how ***3*** buildings collapsed in the manner of a controlled
> demolition?
Tell us you believe that idiotic thermite story explains it. (Just for
laughs.)
Filth Estate
185531.news.uni-berlin.de:
Like the pools of molten steel you don't want to talk about?
The speed at which the towers collapsed?
WTC 7's controlled demolition?
You're a goofy typo pouncer. Let's see "lot's more evidence"...
Filth Estate
185531.news.uni-berlin.de:
I have no overall theory as to what was used to bring the towers down,
specifically.
Can you explain the documented pools of molten steel?
How the tower collapsed even though the top was falling off?
How the towers came down almost at the same speed as a falling rock?
How and why WTC 7 collapsed straight down?
John Griffin
"Filth Estate" <spamsp...@spam.spam> wrote in message
The speed of gravity! Whoa!
<snicker>
John Griffin
"Filth Estate" <spamsp...@spam.spam> wrote
> Mister Sinister <1...@123.mil> wrote
>
> > On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 03:10:18 GMT, Napalm Deaf <spamsp...@spam.spam>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>What's it like to be mindless?
> > Spot The Irony?
>
> Smell the IKYABWAI?
You are, fool. Seriously. You really swallowed that idiotic
thermite story, didn't you?
Matthew Kriebel
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> fir...@pressroom.com (vince) wrote in
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>
> > "Irony Alert" <Irony...@DumbassDetection.BIZ> wrote in message
> > news:<pM%Za.124865$Ho3.15913@sccrnsc03>...
> >> "Name withheld by request" <anon...@nyx10.nyx.net> wrote in message
> >> news:10606460...@irys.nyx.net...
> >> >
> >> > Title: THE MYSTERY OF THE WTC COLLAPSE Source: SKYDRIFTER URL
> >> > Source: http://N/A Published: Aug 9, 2003 Author: SKYDRIFTER Post
> >> > Date: 2003-08-09 23:54:39 by SKYDRIFTER
> >> >
> >> > THE MYSTERY OF THE WTC COLLAPSE
> >>
> >> Whats the mystery? A big plane flew into each one of the towers,
> >> weakening the structural integrity and the heat from the jet fuel
> >> caused them to collapse.
> >
> > Actually it was the heat from the contents fire. The jet fuel acted
> > as a large "molotov cocktail" to ignite the contents. #7 WTC also
> > collapsed from a contents fire, and it was not hit by an airplane.
> >
> > Professor Vincent Brannigan
> > Department of Fire Protection Engineering
> > University of Maryland
> > College Park Md.
> >
>
> You are a very sick man.
>
> Does that explain the pools of molten steel?
What about them?
> Or how ***3*** buildings collapsed in the manner of a controlled
> demolition?
You have a very loose definition of a "controlled demolition".
Controlled demolitions don't cover half a city in smoke and debris for
the better part of a day.
Jack
> "noobie" <not...@notreal.com> wrote in news:ErWZa.41300$Bp2.26027
> @fed1read07:
>
> >> Title: THE MYSTERY OF THE WTC COLLAPSE
> >
> > Answer: Airplanes crashed into it.
> >
> > Result: Mystery solved.
> >
> > -noob
> >
> >
> >
>
> What's it like to be mindless?
what's it like to be paranoid, stupid and uneducated?
just so you know, the guy who works next to you wrapping burgers is
really with the CIA.
jsette
> "Napalm Deaf" <spamsp...@spam.spam> wrote
> > anon...@nyx10.nyx.net (Name withheld by request) wrote in
>
> > >
> > > Title: THE MYSTERY OF THE WTC COLLAPSE Source: SKYDRIFTER URL Source:
> > > http://N/A Published: Aug 9, 2003 Author: SKYDRIFTER Post Date:
> > > 2003-08-09 23:54:39 by SKYDRIFTER
> > >
> > > THE MYSTERY OF THE WTC COLLAPSE
> > >
MYSTERY? Two fucking planes hit them. Turn on the news, ya maroon.
Filth Estate
@ID-185531.news.uni-berlin.de:
How would you phrase it?
Filth Estate
@ID-185531.news.uni-berlin.de:
You have yet to explain what created pools of molten steel in the
basement of the WTC, haven't you?
Filth Estate
26307F.070...@cnews.newsguy.com:
Where did they come from? What caused them?
>> Or how ***3*** buildings collapsed in the manner of a controlled
>> demolition?
>
> You have a very loose definition of a "controlled demolition".
No, I do not. Have you seen footage of the WTC buildings collapsing? WTC
7 in particular?
Why was the top falling to the side on one of the buildings, but the
entire structure still collapsed straight down?
What was the editor of Fire Safety/Engineering/whatever complaining about
the "investigation" for?
Why did Van Romero say it looked exactly like a controlled demolition?
> Controlled demolitions don't cover half a city in smoke and debris for
> the better part of a day.
>
Is that what the WTC 7 did?
It collapsed straight down. For different reasons than are claimed for
the other two buildings. With an entirely different architecture.
Controlled demolitions don't involve smoke, true. Do you see a lot of
very, very tall buildings demolished? WTC-sized buildings?
Filth Estate
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Is that why you can't explain these things?:
1. Lack of a right side engine - with conflicting stories
2. Lack of 757 in Security Camera Frames
3. Trail of White Smoke in Security Camera Frames
4. WRONG ANGLE OF APPROACH ON THE SECURITY CAMERA FRAMES
5. Smoke at the Pentagon 15 minutes too early for a 757.
6. Looping mystery plane over the White House
7. Conflicting eyewitnesses
http://www.bedoper.com/pentagon
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Look at one of the movies showing the WTC-7 building and explain how a fire can make the whole
building over its complete length give way, when NOT a controlled demolition.
IOW.. Where is the random factor in those pictures.?
Where & what point gives way first?
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Filth Estate
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Careful, the "skeptics" and "urban legend" people don't actually like to
discuss these things at all. I wonder why that is, with so many
unanswered questions? Everything is very pat and set in their world, it
seems. So much for skepticism and the discussion of urban legends, I
guess.
Keep an eye on the newsgroups line, they keep redirecting to
alt.conspiracy and alt.fan.art-bell. Like the weasels and cowards they
are.
salerio
I'm not suprised you want to remain nameless!
<crap snipped>
Can you cite your engineering qualifications to justify your post please.
And don't go saying "I was just quoting". That would indicate you're
spamming and are not capable of understanding.
So if you want us to believe what you just posted, justify your
position, and let us have some finite state analysis by way of proof.
Hand waving is NOT enough!
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I hope you don't expect a rational response. That kook has been spamming
afa-b, amongst other newsgroups for nearly a year with that bullshit, and
now he is relying upon an equally ficticious sockpuppet to do his arguing
for him. He (or she or it) thinks that repetition makes it true.
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Content of Post is for Entertainment Purposes Only
Why?
Because laughter is the best medicine, so shut the
hell up and have gutbuster or a chuckle or two. A
good laugh will do you some good. Besides, if you
take someone like ME seriously, you really do need
help.
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Carl R. Osterwald
Estate <spamsp...@spam.spam> wrote:
> How the towers came down almost at the same speed as a falling rock?
Its called physics. You might want to learn something about it.
-=-=-=-=-
Carl R. Osterwald
Estate <spamsp...@spam.spam> wrote:
> Keep an eye on the newsgroups line, they keep redirecting to
> alt.conspiracy and alt.fan.art-bell. Like the weasels and cowards they
> are.
NOTICE TO CROSS-POSTERS!
This group is called alt.fan.art-bell. It's for talking about Art Bell,
his radio show, his guests, and especially his fans. We've got plenty
of foolishness right here in this group without having to go trolling
for more.
Unfortunately, every nutcake crystal-rubbing, bunny-hugging,
tofu-eating, Volvo-driving, whale-watching, New-Age,
backyard-preaching, Bible-thumping, god-bothering, bigfoot-chasing,
spoon-bending, remote-viewing, star-gazing, reverse-swearing,
reptile-fucking, toad-licking, goat-sucking, Clinton-loving,
flame-trolling, obfuscating, double-talking, pamphlet-peddling,
horoscope-reading, alien abductee seems to think it's fun to post his
or her dreck into afa-b.
Not only that, but we're also plagued by every goddam hypocritical,
brain-dead, mega-dittoing, Reagan-worshipping, Newtie-following,
Clinton-bashing, Hillary-hating, gun-hugging, miltia-joining,
bunny-bopping, forest-raping, earth-paving, river-damming,
species-exterminating, ozone-trashing, pickup-with-gun-rack-driving,
Medicare-killing, tax-avoiding, mind-controlling, trickle-downing,
"liberal"-bashing, femiNazi-spewing, hate-spouting, Bible-thumping,
Moral Mafia, jack-booted, cross-burning, Klan-joining, Commie-baiting,
conspiracy-theorist, neo-Nazi, crypto-Fascist, radical-right-wing
ditto-head that comes down the pike.
And as if that weren't enough, we even have our very own Kook Of The
Month crossposting his nonsense in here on a daily basis.
Then, when a few of us shred these fatheads to bits by debunking their
favorite fantasy, they start whining.
If you can't stand the heat, stay the hell out of our newsgroup.
"This is not a gentle place."
In the interest of evenhandedness, and to enjoy one of our
favorite kooks rants, we also present The Woo Woo View:
"AFAB = alt.fan.art-bell newsgroup. It is a prime example of
a gathering place for hooded, cowardly, government/media
disinformation agents who operate behind multiple aliases as they
prey on others, intimidating and misdirecting attention away from
those who engage in serious dialog. It is a meeting place of
ignoramuses who seek to promote the Bassackward societal traits
of irresponsibility, violence, human degradation, and ignorance
under the guise of Free Speech." By Ray "Linenoise" Karczewski
If STILL you ask "Where the hell is the FAQ" then go read
that poor old outdated relic from our earlier days here:
http://whiskeytown.net/curiosities/airstream/afab-faq.php
Hope This Helps.
(Revised 10/21/2001)
-=-=-=-=-
Jake_Dragon
"vince" <fir...@pressroom.com> wrote in message
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> "Irony Alert" <Irony...@DumbassDetection.BIZ> wrote in message
news:<pM%Za.124865$Ho3.15913@sccrnsc03>...
> > "Name withheld by request" <anon...@nyx10.nyx.net> wrote in message
> > news:10606460...@irys.nyx.net...
> > >
> > > Title: THE MYSTERY OF THE WTC COLLAPSE Source: SKYDRIFTER URL Source:
> > > http://N/A Published: Aug 9, 2003 Author: SKYDRIFTER Post Date:
> > > 2003-08-09 23:54:39 by SKYDRIFTER
> > >
> > > THE MYSTERY OF THE WTC COLLAPSE
> >
> > Whats the mystery? A big plane flew into each one of the towers,
weakening
> > the structural integrity and the heat from the jet fuel caused them to
> > collapse.
>
> Actually it was the heat from the contents fire. The jet fuel acted
> as a large "molotov cocktail" to ignite the contents.
Anybody can put "molotov cocktail" in quotation marks and sound like an
expert. This is just a blanket statement, with no supporting evidence.
Just as the author of the original post should have provided outside
sources, so should you.
>#7 WTC also
> collapsed from a contents fire, and it was not hit by an airplane.
>
Wouldn't this lend even MORE credibility to the conspiracy theorists'
arguments? #7 WTC went down from regular run-of-the-mill fire, not the
never-before-seen jet fuel fire that took down the towers. Since there have
been plenty of fires in tall buildings, and those buildings haven't
collapsed... This is a major premise of the argument you're trying to argue
against, and you just repeated it back to him.
Am playing Devil's Advocate here. I realize that #7 WTC was right at the
site of two major building collapses. Being in close proximity to two
building collapses, in addition to being on fire, it doesn't surprise me
that it went down. (The alleged controlled demolition of #7 WTC is mostly
irrelevent anyway; since nobody knows just how controlled the collapse of
the other two buildings were, even if they were internally sabotaged.)
I'm just pointing out that, the way you stated it, it wasn't a very good
counter argument.
> Professor Vincent Brannigan
> Department of Fire Protection Engineering
> University of Maryland
> College Park Md.
On the Internet, nobody knows if you're a dog, much less a Professor of Fire
Protection Engineering. For that matter, even expert witnesses can lie or
be misled. So... this response has zero value as a rebuttal. I'm not
saying the self-identified Professor of Fire Protection Engineering is a
liar, just that I have no evidence to believe otherwise.
-----
I'm not arguing for or against this conspiracy theory. I agree that it's
not worth much without verification of the engineering figures used. As a
reader, this level of conspiracy doesn't interest me much anyway. This is
Tom Clancy stuff. I'm more interested in the conspiracies of Kurt Vonnegut.
This response should not be interpreted as an attack on the alleged
Professor Brannigan. I'm replying to his post because it was the best of
all the skeptic posts here. I am also saying, though, that it's not good
enough. These responses haven't contributed enough information to make
reading them worthwhile.
To seriously debunk this theory, you must do one of two things (or better
yet, both):
1) Attack the logic of the argument itself -- the internal logic of the
argument.
Which is actually pretty pointless online, considering most writers are not
trained academics, nor do their careers rest on using precision logic to
stand up to the high standards of academic publication.
To explain.... Being right is different from being logical, and writing a
convincing argument is far removed from writing a good thesis for academic
publication. I am not suggesting that one should abandon logic, just that
in reality we all know news anchors, politicians, lawyers, and especially
amateur conspiracy theorists have a lower standard for logic than any
academic publication. It is this high level of attention to logic that
seperates Noam Chomsky from the conspiracy theorists.
However, because the logic is not held up to exacting standards, this
sometimes makes it easy to counter. Considering that so many people accuse
this man of being a lunatic, why has nobody attacked the logic of his
argument?
2) Use FACTS and LOGIC to attack the premises.
For example, you might start by pointing us to evidence that either a) steel
WILL liquefy at 4,700 degrees, or b) that jet fuel CAN heat steel up to
7,500 degrees in the time alloted. If this premise is untrue, it should be
easy to disprove. So, why hasn't anyone done this?
If you really believe that spreading this type of conspiracy theory is
dangerous, why don't you stop it by educating people? Insults and blanket
statements provided without supporting evidence do not count.
vince
all "fire induced" collapses look like controlled demolitions. The
reason is that the fires cut the supports in the same ways as
explosives. Buildings collase inwards becasue they hve to, that is the
way they are designed.
for more information on Building Collapse in fire see "building
Construction for the fire service" 3rd edition NFPA by Francis L
Brannigan Fellow of the Society of Fire protection engineers and
incidentally, my father.
there were no "pools of molten steel"
Prof. Vince Brannigan
King Azzy I
> On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 03:09:49 GMT, Napalm Deaf <spamsp...@spam.spam>
> wrote:
>
> <snip - o/t crossposted shit>
>
Who asked you to do this? Chill with the ego, monkeyboy. This is a
free forum.
mellstrrr
>
> there were no "pools of molten steel"
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/bollyn2.htm
Mr. Bollyn quotes reputable businessmen involved in the cleanup who found
molten steel at the bottom of the WTC elevator shafts 4 to 5 weeks after
9-11.
Are you calling him, and these businessmen, liars?
mellstrr
Jack
> heavyf...@yahoo.com (Jack) wrote in
> news:c8e41214.03081...@posting.google.com:
>
> > Napalm Deaf <spamsp...@spam.spam> wrote in message
> > news:<Xns93D4E417E2C40sp...@bedoper.com>...
> >> "noobie" <not...@notreal.com> wrote in news:ErWZa.41300$Bp2.26027
> >> @fed1read07:
> >>
> >> >> Title: THE MYSTERY OF THE WTC COLLAPSE
what I'm curious about this is what makes Konspiracy morons tick.
this is a far more interesting topic than the yawner claims made by
the Gummints'-Out-Ta-Get-Me crowd. in fact, a study of the Konspiracy
Kreep would be a good topic for a graduate psychology student.
I'd like to know what's the motivation for their Belief that
everything is the result of some massive gubmint Konspiracy, the more
improbable the better. is it boredom with life? a failed career as a
fiction writer? a hobby? teenaged angst? I find it difficult to
believe that the Konspiracy loons manage to get through a single day
without mentally breaking down, if, and that's a big if, they were
serious about this to begin with.
I suspect the typical Kooks finds life's complexities too overwhelming
and needs a tangible excuse for personal disappointment or failure,
and Gubbermint Konspiracies are the handiest and easiest.
is SMERSH keeping you from being hired at the primo job at Hollywood
Video?
when the fast food drive-through screws up your order, is the Moscow
Centre behind it?
are all those red traffic lights the result of the KAOS machinations?
did your high school football team lose again because of rays from DSE
satellites?
did SAVAK steal your prom date?
do you feel Really Important 'cuz you and you alone have Figured Out
The Real Deal and the rest of us are just -- to use your favorite term
- sheeple?
the internet provides a strange kind of positive feedback loop for
kooks. my guess is that the typical
Gobmint-Ate-My-Homework-And-Knocked-Down-The-WTC kook gets most of his
information from reading other kook's posts to usenet: afterall, why
bother actually learning engineering or reading legitimate news
sources when all the validation needed is found on
alt.Ill.believe.anything or another 14 year old's website?
the basic Konspiracy Kook also feeds off the attention he gets from
other kooks spiced at times by the casual, dismissive contempt
displayed when a normal usenet reader bothers to comment. so maybe a
few twists of their panties is a good thing, if it keeps them at home
in the basement, glued to the internet and off the streets.
the sci.astro group was plagued for years by a flock of rabid loons
who believed that the earth was going to be smashed by an undiscovered
planet in May of 2003. no amount of patient, rational discussion by
the sci.astro regulars could dissuade them. now that May has passed,
the loons remain in force, fearlessly misinterpreting any fact to
support their believe the the end is near. I really can't see the
substantial difference between the Konspiracy morons who believe the
Goobermunt destroyed the WTC and the nutcases who are still awaiting
armageddon from the skies.
look at it this way, kids, the reason you yammer on usenet and usenet
only is because no one takes you seriously outside this particular
forum. and that is a good thing, because if, one day, you left your
basement, entered the world of the living, and tried to explain your
"theory" to a family relative of someone who died on 911, you'd get
more than just a flame.
Jack
dayum, ya boys dun caught us. time to 'fess up:
>
>
> 1. Lack of a right side engine - with conflicting stories
The Queen of England is responsible.
>
> 2. Lack of 757 in Security Camera Frames
That would be due to timely intervention by the Rockefellers.
>
> 3. Trail of White Smoke in Security Camera Frames
JFK Jr was flying a CITABRIA, making smoke.
>
> 4. WRONG ANGLE OF APPROACH ON THE SECURITY CAMERA FRAMES
this clip was inexcusably not retouched by Industrial Light& Magic.
>
> 5. Smoke at the Pentagon 15 minutes too early for a 757.
accidental early BBQ celebration of success of the 911 Plot by the Elite.
>
> 6. Looping mystery plane over the White House
Snoopy, rolling out of an Immelman Loop, chasing the Red Baron.
>
> 7. Conflicting eyewitnesses
well, what do you expect, they're eyewitnesses.
>
> http://www.bedoper.com/pentagon
http://www.IcouldMakeYouBelieveAnythingYoureBeyondStupid.com
now that you've got more attention than you deserved, go take a nap.
John Griffin
"mellstrrr" <mell...@spamthis.com> wrote
> "vince" <fir...@pressroom.com> wrote
> >
> > there were no "pools of molten steel"
>
> http://www.serendipity.li/wot/bollyn2.htm
> Mr. Bollyn quotes reputable businessmen involved in the cleanup who found
> molten steel at the bottom of the WTC elevator shafts 4 to 5 weeks after
> 9-11.
>
> Are you calling him, and these businessmen, liars?
>
> mellstrr
Holy shit, man, no one would dare mess with any anonymous
reputable businessmen. Don't be silly. "Mr. Bollyn," on the
other hand, is just another guy making up stories to mess
with the heads of people who are dumb enough to swallow
every crazy story that comes along, like that idiotic thermite
bullshit, for example.
John Griffin
>
> I'm not suprised you want to remain nameless!
Actually, it was his family that requested the anonymity.
>
> <crap snipped>
>
> Can you cite your engineering qualifications to justify your post please.
>
> And don't go saying "I was just quoting". That would indicate you're
> spamming and are not capable of understanding.
>
> So if you want us to believe what you just posted, justify your
> position, and let us have some finite state analysis by way of proof.
> Hand waving is NOT enough!
He has shown that he has virtually no knowledge of the stuff he
copies and pastes and posts here. He's an idiot. Even his
mama says he's an idiot.
John Griffin
"Filth Estate" <spamsp...@spam.spam> wrote
> Hit1Hard <Hit.On...@iaehv.nl> wrote in
> > On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:09:07 -0400, Matthew Kriebel wrote:
> >> Filth Estate <spamsp...@spam.spam> wrote:
> >>> fir...@pressroom.com (vince) wrote
Hilarious. You gullible fools want to "discuss these things" like
I want to stick my hose into a meat grinder. You want to parrot
the nonsense people make up, even though they're laughing
at you along with the normal people.
> Keep an eye on the newsgroups line, they keep redirecting to
> alt.conspiracy and alt.fan.art-bell. Like the weasels and cowards they
> are.
>
> --
Lose the idiotic sig.
mellstrrr
"John Griffin" <thathi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "mellstrrr" <mell...@spamthis.com> wrote
> > "vince" <fir...@pressroom.com> wrote
> > >
> > > there were no "pools of molten steel"
> >
> > http://www.serendipity.li/wot/bollyn2.htm
> > Mr. Bollyn quotes reputable businessmen involved in the cleanup who
found
> > molten steel at the bottom of the WTC elevator shafts 4 to 5 weeks after
> > 9-11.
> >
> > Are you calling him, and these businessmen, liars?
> >
> > mellstrr
>
> Holy shit, man, no one would dare mess with any anonymous
> reputable businessmen.
Read the link. It contains identities.
mellstrr
John Griffin
"Filth Estate" <spamsp...@spam.spam> wrote
> "John Griffin" <thathi...@yahoo.com> wrote
> > "Filth Estate" <spamsp...@spam.spam> wrote
> >> Mister Sinister <1...@123.mil> wrote
> >>
> >> > On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 03:10:18 GMT, Napalm Deaf
> <spamsp...@spam.spam>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>What's it like to be mindless?
> >> > Spot The Irony?
> >>
> >> Smell the IKYABWAI?
> >
> > You are, fool. Seriously. You really swallowed that idiotic
> > thermite story, didn't you?
>
> You have yet to explain what created pools of molten steel in the
> basement of the WTC, haven't you?
Every cockamamie story the crazies have contrived and you gulls
have swallowed is in conflict with the actual evidence and the
finding of engineers and scientists. This is only natural, since the
people who're contriving them are the same people who have
said "Bush stold (sic) the election," i.e., a pack of manipulable
fools, and the people who are swallowing them are fucking idiots.
John Griffin
"Filth Estate" <spamsp...@spam.spam> wrote in message
Since your inane yapping is incoherent and apparently related
to nothing, there is no way to phrase it.
Tell me how fast something would be moving when it hit the
ground after free-falling 1100 feet. No fair looking it up, now
that you've represented yourself as someone who knows
about that sort of thing. Now tell me how fast the uppermost
parts of the building were actually moving. Finally, tell me
how you measured that. If you prefer, just admit that you
don't know what the hell you're talking about. The admission
will be the only thing that surprises anyone.
Coppertop Killer
> > >> >> Title: THE MYSTERY OF THE WTC COLLAPSE
>
> what I'm curious about this is what makes Konspiracy morons tick.
We pay attention, Jack.
> this is a far more interesting topic than the yawner claims made by
> the Gummints'-Out-Ta-Get-Me crowd. in fact, a study of the Konspiracy
> Kreep would be a good topic for a graduate psychology student.
<kooky response snipped>
There is good reason for anyone to believe the gummint is no good...
have a looksie, jack.
http://csf.colorado.edu/forums/debt/archives/msg00687.html
--
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and I really don't care.
It's not that important. It's not our priority."
-- George W. Bush, March 13, 2002
John Griffin
"mellstrrr" <mell...@spamthis.com> wrote in message
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Oh, no! It's even more scary than I thought! Disagreeing with
identified reputable merchants' opinions on things they know
nothing about is really fuckin' dangerous!
Filth Estate
i...@mac.com:
Yes, and physics dictates that resistance would slow its fall.
Poindexter.
Filth Estate
> all "fire induced" collapses look like controlled demolitions.
What "fire-induced" collapses are you referring to?
Filth Estate
@ID-185531.news.uni-berlin.de:
You are a prime fucktard.
Do you realize the more you flail around and act stupid, the more you
discredit the things you are trying to promote?
Filth Estate
>> > on% 22&hl=xx-hacker&ie=UTF-8
>> >
>> > Look at one of the movies showing the WTC-7 building and explain
>> > how a fire can make the whole building over its complete length
>> > give way, when NOT a controlled demolition.
>> >
>> > IOW.. Where is the random factor in those pictures.?
>> > Where & what point gives way first?
>> >
>>
>> Careful, the "skeptics" and "urban legend" people don't actually like
>> to discuss these things at all. I wonder why that is, with so many
>> unanswered questions? Everything is very pat and set in their world,
>> it seems. So much for skepticism and the discussion of urban legends,
>> I guess.
>
> Hilarious. You gullible fools want to "discuss these things" like
> I want to stick my hose into a meat grinder. You want to parrot
> the nonsense people make up, even though they're laughing
> at you along with the normal people.
>
>> Keep an eye on the newsgroups line, they keep redirecting to
>> alt.conspiracy and alt.fan.art-bell. Like the weasels and cowards
>> they are.
>>
>> --
>
> Lose the idiotic sig.
>
>
>
>
>
So, why are you afraid to discuss these things, again?
Filth Estate
@ID-185531.news.uni-berlin.de:
So you have some sort of cite regarding this? Or just more hot air?
Filth Estate
The building fell at nearly the same speed as would a coin tossed from
the roof. Impossible, unless there was little to no resistance.
Is that what you're claiming?
I do enjoy watching you lose it, I might point out.
Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)
wrote in alt.fan.art-bell:
What, and ruin all his "theories"? Puh-leeze!
--
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>i...@mac.com:
>
>> In article <Xns93D55CA7F3C6Esp...@bedoper.com>, Filth
>> Estate <spamsp...@spam.spam> wrote:
>>
>>> How the towers came down almost at the same speed as a falling rock?
>>
>> Its called physics. You might want to learn something about it.
>>
>>
>> -=-=-=-=-
>>
>
>Yes, and physics dictates that resistance would slow its fall.
>Poindexter.
Jet fuel is pretty volatile stuff. I wonder what the temperature was
during it's initial combustion? Any idea on that one, Filth? Then,
lets look at the steel girders and what kind of heat they can
withstand. Until then, I'm just .... bored with your posts.
--
Jimmy Snibbler
Hit1Hard
So tell us John, why IYO are these witnesses less credible then people
passing the Pentagon (In their car on a highway at 45+ miles an hour.) when
it was attacked?
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> during it's initial combustion? Any idea on that one, Filth? Then,
> lets look at the steel girders and what kind of heat they can
> withstand. Until then, I'm just .... bored with your posts.
RECIPE FOR THE UNSPEAKABLE
The attack on the World Trade Center towers unleashed nearly 1,700 tons'
worth of TNT.
Average height of towers:
1,365 feet
Total
weight:
1.25 million tons
Collapse energy:
2 x
1012 joules
Equivalence to TNT:
500 tons
Energy in one gallon of jet fuel:
135,000 btu
Maximum fuel
capacity of a Boeing 767:
23,980 gallons
Approximate fuel detonated
at impact:
3,000 gallons
Explosive energy, both planes:
9 x
1011 joules
Equivalence to TNT:
180
tons
Burning energy from remaining fuel:
5 x 1012
joules
Equivalence to TNT:
990 tons
Maximum takeoff weight of a Boeing 767:
412,000 pounds
Typical
cruising speed:
530 mph
Kinetic energy, both planes:
9 x 109
joules
Equivalence to TNT:
2 tons
Energy released
(tons of TNT equivalent) by:
Tomahawk cruise missile: 0.5
U.S.
tactical nuclear warhead: 300 to 200,000
Typical tornado:
5,100
Hiroshima bomb: 20,000
Calculations by David
Appell
SOURCES: Skyscrapers.com; U.S. Geological Survey; U.S. Department
of Energy; Boeing Company; Chevron Corporation; Grolier's Encyclopedia; U.S.
Navy; Mark A. Horrell, Illinois Math and Science
Academy
Filth Estate
And hey, jet fuel alters the laws of physics...
Filth Estate
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>
>> Jet fuel is pretty volatile stuff. I wonder what the temperature was
>> during it's initial combustion? Any idea on that one, Filth? Then,
>> lets look at the steel girders and what kind of heat they can
>> withstand. Until then, I'm just .... bored with your posts.
>
>
> Not directly answering your question, but interesting and on-topic
> nonetheless (HTML to preserve exponents):
>
> From Scientific American, 11/16/01:
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> 812g6bk2jjj...@4ax.com</A>...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV><...></DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>> Jet fuel is pretty volatile stuff. I wonder what the
> temperature was<BR>> during it's initial combustion? Any idea
> on that one, Filth? Then,<BR>> lets look at the steel girders
> and what kind of heat they can<BR>> withstand. Until then,
> I'm just .... bored with your posts.<BR></DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Not directly answering your question, but interesting and
> on-topic nonetheless (HTML to preserve exponents):</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>From Scientific American, 11/16/01:</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>====================================</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>
> <DIV class=regtext>
> <DIV class=regtext>
> <P><B>RECIPE FOR THE UNSPEAKABLE</B>
> <P>The attack on the World Trade Center towers unleashed nearly 1,700
> tons' worth of TNT. <BR><BR>Average height of towers: <BR><B>1,365
> feet</B><BR>Total weight: <BR><B>1.25 million tons</B><BR>Collapse
> energy:<BR><B>2 x 10<SUP>12</SUP> joules</B><BR>Equivalence to
> TNT:<BR><B>500 tons</B> </P> <P>Energy in one gallon of jet
> fuel:<BR><B>135,000 btu</B><BR>Maximum fuel capacity of a Boeing
> 767:<BR><B>23,980 gallons</B><BR>Approximate fuel detonated at
> impact:<BR><B>3,000 gallons</B><BR>Explosive energy, both planes:
> <BR><B>9 x 10<SUP>11</SUP> joules</B><BR>Equivalence to TNT:<BR><B>180
> tons</B></P><STRONG></STRONG><STRONG></STRONG>
> <P><BR>Burning energy from remaining fuel:<BR><B>5 x 10<SUP>12</SUP>
> joules</B><BR>Equivalence to TNT:<BR><B>990 tons</B> </P>
> <P>Maximum takeoff weight of a Boeing 767:<BR><B>412,000
> pounds</B><BR>Typical cruising speed:<BR><B>530 mph</B><BR>Kinetic
> energy, both planes:<BR><B>9 x 109 joules</B><BR>Equivalence to
> TNT:<BR><B>2 tons</B> <BR><BR>Energy released <BR>(tons of TNT
> equivalent) by: <BR>Tomahawk cruise missile: <B>0.5</B><BR>U.S.
> tactical nuclear warhead: <B>300 to 200,000</B><BR>Typical tornado:
> <B>5,100</B><BR>Hiroshima bomb: <B>20,000</B><BR><BR>Calculations by
> David Appell<BR><BR>SOURCES: Skyscrapers.com; U.S. Geological Survey;
> U.S. Department of Energy; Boeing Company; Chevron Corporation;
> Grolier's Encyclopedia; U.S. Navy; Mark A. Horrell, Illinois Math and
> Science Academy</P></DIV></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>
>
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Nice HTML, cybertard.
What does any of that have to do with gravity?
Don Ocean
135,000BTUH is a bit high for jet fuel. Also there are some other
corrections needed.
Filth Estate
news:qncjjvoomsv64ocff...@4ax.com:
> On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:17:52 -0600, "Carl R. Osterwald" <i...@mac.com>
> wrote in alt.fan.art-bell:
>
>>In article <Xns93D55CA7F3C6Esp...@bedoper.com>, Filth
>>Estate <spamsp...@spam.spam> wrote:
>>
>>> How the towers came down almost at the same speed as a falling rock?
>>
>>Its called physics. You might want to learn something about it.
>>
>>
>>-=-=-=-=-
>
> What, and ruin all his "theories"? Puh-leeze!
Can you both please tell me how there is no such thing as resistance?
Thanks in advance.
> --
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>
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<...>
> Nice HTML, cybertard.
I'm sorry you're stuck with a last century newsreader, pal, but as I said in the
post, I put it in HTML to preserve the exponents.
> What does any of that have to do with gravity?
Nothing, as I said. Again, my sympathies regarding your newsreader.
Jim
Clave
> "Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)" <vgor...@pobox.alaska.net> wrote in
> news:qncjjvoomsv64ocff...@4ax.com:
>
> > On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:17:52 -0600, "Carl R. Osterwald" <i...@mac.com>
> > wrote in alt.fan.art-bell:
> >
> >>In article <Xns93D55CA7F3C6Esp...@bedoper.com>, Filth
> >>Estate <spamsp...@spam.spam> wrote:
> >>
> >>> How the towers came down almost at the same speed as a falling rock?
> >>
> >>Its called physics. You might want to learn something about it.
> >>
> >>
> >>-=-=-=-=-
> >
> > What, and ruin all his "theories"? Puh-leeze!
>
> Can you both please tell me how there is no such thing as resistance?
Um, resistance to what?
Jim
John Griffin
"Hit1Hard" <Hit.On...@iaehv.nl> wrote
> On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:09:35 -0400, John Griffin wrote:
> > "mellstrrr" <mell...@spamthis.com> wrote
> >> > "mellstrrr" <mell...@spamthis.com> wrote
> >> > > "vince" <fir...@pressroom.com> wrote
> >> > > >
> >> > > > there were no "pools of molten steel"
> >> > >
> >> > > http://www.serendipity.li/wot/bollyn2.htm Mr. Bollyn quotes
> >> > > reputable businessmen involved in the cleanup who
> >> found
> >> > > molten steel at the bottom of the WTC elevator shafts 4 to 5 weeks
> > after
> >> > > 9-11.
> >> > >
> >> > > Are you calling him, and these businessmen, liars?
> >> > >
> >> > > mellstrr
> >> >
> >> > Holy shit, man, no one would dare mess with any anonymous reputable
> >> > businessmen.
> >>
> >> Read the link. It contains identities.
> >>
> >> mellstrr
> >
> > Oh, no! It's even more scary than I thought! Disagreeing with
> > identified reputable merchants' opinions on things they know nothing
> > about is really fuckin' dangerous!
>
> So tell us John, why IYO are these witnesses less credible then people
> passing the Pentagon (In their car on a highway at 45+ miles an hour.)
when
> it was attacked?
It's just the nature of things. Anyway, if you swallowed the
thermite bullshit, you couldn't be expected to be able to
understand even the most rudimentary explanation.
You guys could have more fun making up goofy stories about
the attacks if you'd relax and see that everyone else knows
what happened and isn't all that interesting your vaporing.
Just learn to enjoy being laughed at, and you'll feel better.
Clave
news:3F39B917...@amerion.com...
> Please recheck your stats for the inacurracies contained therein.
> 135,000BTUH is a bit high for jet fuel. Also there are some other
> corrections needed.
I posted what was printed in the magazine, and the sources for the calculations
were cited. Feel free to provide your own.
Jim
John Griffin
"Filth Estate" <spamsp...@spam.spam> wrote
> > wrote in alt.fan.art-bell:
> >
> >>In article <Xns93D55CA7F3C6Esp...@bedoper.com>, Filth
> >>Estate <spamsp...@spam.spam> wrote:
> >>
> >>> How the towers came down almost at the same speed as a falling rock?
> >>
> >>Its called physics. You might want to learn something about it.
> >>
> >>
> >>-=-=-=-=-
> >
> > What, and ruin all his "theories"? Puh-leeze!
>
> Can you both please tell me how there is no such thing as resistance?
>
> Thanks in advance.
He thinks he's on to something big here. Hilarious.
John Griffin
"Filth Estate" <spamsp...@spam.spam> wrote in message
What!? Every moment of your life is a delusion?!
Get some help with that. You're way beyond help
on the physics problem.
Speaking of "losing," your answers to my questions
seem to have gotten lost.
John Griffin
"Filth Estate" <spamsp...@spam.spam> wrote
> "John Griffin" <thathi...@yahoo.com> wrote
> > "Filth Estate" <spamsp...@spam.spam> wrote
> >> "John Griffin" <thathi...@yahoo.com> wrote
> >> > "Filth Estate" <spamsp...@spam.spam> wrote
> >> >> Mister Sinister <1...@123.mil> wrote
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 03:10:18 GMT, Napalm Deaf
> >> <spamsp...@spam.spam>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>What's it like to be mindless?
> >> >> > Spot The Irony?
> >> >>
> >> >> Smell the IKYABWAI?
> >> >
> >> > You are, fool. Seriously. You really swallowed that idiotic
> >> > thermite story, didn't you?
> >>
> >> You have yet to explain what created pools of molten steel in the
> >> basement of the WTC, haven't you?
> >
> > Every cockamamie story the crazies have contrived and you gulls
> > have swallowed is in conflict with the actual evidence and the
> > finding of engineers and scientists. This is only natural, since the
> > people who're contriving them are the same people who have
> > said "Bush stold (sic) the election," i.e., a pack of manipulable
> > fools, and the people who are swallowing them are fucking idiots.
>
> So you have some sort of cite regarding this? Or just more hot air?
Since you swallowed the idiotic thermite story, it isn't
surprising that you didn't understand its motivation.
Jimmy Snibbler
Mahalo. My interpretation of the data is that the conspiracy guys are
on the wrong track. Instead, they might consider another absurd angle,
such as government collusion with the hijacksters.
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Clave
<...>
> Mahalo. My interpretation of the data is that the conspiracy guys are
> on the wrong track. Instead, they might consider another absurd angle,
> such as government collusion with the hijacksters.
Consider too that each floor was supported by the infrastructure, *not* the
floors beneath. Once the collapse began, there's no fucking *way* any of the
floors could absorb the kinetic energy contained in all the above floors falling
into them. There appeared to be no "resistance" to the collapse, precisely
because in any meaningful sense of the word (for our purposes, anyway), there
just wasn't any.
And as for the relative "neatness" of the collapse, *that* much was designed
into the towers in the first place for the eventual day when they would have to
be voluntarily brought down. Such is the case with *all* modern steel/glass
skyscrapers. No exceptions.
Jim
John Baker
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Ah, there you go, John. Your error in logic lies in the first two words of
your reply, "He thinks." With regard to "Filth Estate", there's absolutely
no evidence for that. <BG>
>
>
>
>
Hit1Hard
Ah.. The nature of things eh?
The people that enhance common beliefs get support, the rest gets cut down.
> Anyway, if you swallowed the thermite bullshit,
> you couldn't be expected to be able to understand even the
> most rudimentary explanation.
Ah. Is that so eh? Who briefed you? Fox-News? Hosannah Oh Sannity himself?
> You guys could have more fun making up goofy stories about the attacks
> if you'd relax and see that everyone else knows what happened and isn't
> all that interesting your vaporing.
Goofy stories.. Most goofy stories fall when the right questions are
asked.. Like the ones you don't want to adress.
> Just learn to enjoy being laughed
> at, and you'll feel better.
I rather have them laugh, then cry, since that event only lasts 3 days
And then one may consider oneself very lucky. (Dutch saying.)
Ok.. Now after this public relieving, I hope you feel so much better, that you
can adress the question you replied to.. Witnesses and such.
Over?
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Allthought the hammer of ?30+? floors came down in one piece (As the movie goes..) The
floors below the falling floors were designed to bear the weight of the floors
above.. (For the construction to be stable.) One might expect the centre
core to be a little bit more resistant to pressure. (And even for the top
to topple over.)
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Very funny Mr Abbot. Thank you Mr Castello..
You don't have to be right, if you get everyone to laugh eh?
Manni Heumann
> Do you realize the more you flail around and act stupid, the more you
> discredit the things you are trying to promote?
All right! This is the first time you utter something that seems to
make some sense. Now I want you to sit down, take a couple of deep
breaths, and read your own sentence above until you grasp its meaning.
John Griffin
"Hit1Hard" <Hit.On...@iaehv.nl> wrote
I could have said "God didn't mean for you to understand that."
I suppose I should have been specific. I will now. You have
more than adequately demonstrated that you intend to keep
on living in a fantasy about the WTC attacks, and you wouldn't
be willing to assimilate the refutation of any of the bullshit into
it even if you could understand it.
> > Anyway, if you swallowed the thermite bullshit,
> > you couldn't be expected to be able to understand even the
> > most rudimentary explanation.
>
> Ah. Is that so eh? Who briefed you? Fox-News?
Outside of your kind of life, there are information sources
other than television. Take my word for it.
> Hosannah Oh Sannity... himself?
Anyone who is willing to humiliate himself by writing something that
lame deserves a prize. How about a nice "I'm Lamer Than A
Three-legged Dung Beetle" tattoo on your forehead?
> > You guys could have more fun making up goofy stories about the attacks
> > if you'd relax and see that everyone else knows what happened and isn't
> > all that interesting your vaporing.
>
> Goofy stories.. Most goofy stories fall when the right questions are
> asked.. Like the ones you don't want to adress.
You'll have to look elsewhere for help with your problem. My only
intent is to let you know you're mildly amusing.
> > Just learn to enjoy being laughed
> > at, and you'll feel better.
>
> I rather have them laugh, then cry, since that event only lasts 3 days
> And then one may consider oneself very lucky. (Dutch saying.)
WTF? (American saying)
> Ok.. Now after this public relieving, I hope you feel so much better, that
you
> can adress the question you replied to.. Witnesses and such.
What part of your shitting yourself should make me feel better, fool?
John Griffin
"Jimmy Snibbler" <m...@my.forest> wrote in message
Maybe it's just that the current cretin herd hasn't found that web site yet.
mellstrrr
> > >
> > > "mellstrrr" <mell...@spamthis.com> wrote
> > > > "vince" <fir...@pressroom.com> wrote
> > > > >
> > > > > there were no "pools of molten steel"
> > > >
> > > > http://www.serendipity.li/wot/bollyn2.htm
> > > > Mr. Bollyn quotes reputable businessmen involved in the cleanup who
> > found
> > > > molten steel at the bottom of the WTC elevator shafts 4 to 5 weeks
> after
> > > > 9-11.
> > > >
> > > > Are you calling him, and these businessmen, liars?
> > > Holy shit, man, no one would dare mess with any anonymous
> > > reputable businessmen.
Are you calling Bollyn and the named businessmen liars?
> >
> > Read the link. It contains identities.
>
>
> Oh, no! It's even more scary than I thought! Disagreeing with
> identified reputable merchants' opinions on things they know
> nothing about is really fuckin' dangerous!
So you know more about it, then?
Are you saying that you believe that this report is nonsense, and that the
person writing it--and his sources and witnesses--are lying? Tell us why. Be
specific.
I mean, if all you can do is be a smartass about it, you must not have
anything of real substance to say.
mellstrr--pardon me for pointing out the obvious, but....
mellstrrr
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
That's your 'opinion'?? Oh, that's sooooo enlightening. Tell us more!
Here's my opinion on 'nature of things'. In John Griffin World, it's the
'nature of things' to believe the tripe du jour from the American Mainstream
FAUX news without questioning...
(sigh) He's just another lemming-troll in complete denial. How sad.
I feel a <ploink> coming on...
mellstrr
Matthew Kriebel
"mellstrrr" <mell...@spamthis.com> wrote:
> "vince" <fir...@pressroom.com> wrote in message
> news:b81eb99d.03081...@posting.google.com...
>
> >
> > there were no "pools of molten steel"
>
> http://www.serendipity.li/wot/bollyn2.htm
> Mr. Bollyn quotes reputable businessmen involved in the cleanup who found
> molten steel at the bottom of the WTC elevator shafts 4 to 5 weeks after
> 9-11.
>
> Are you calling him, and these businessmen, liars?
>
> mellstrr
Hundreds of people worked in and around the World Trade Center and sall
we have is this second hand report of alleged "pools of steel". No
photos, no evidence whatsoever, just one allegation out of hundreds of
people.
He may not be a liar, but you are an idiot.
Matthew Kriebel
> "vince" <fir...@pressroom.com> wrote in message
> news:b81eb99d.03081...@posting.google.com...
>
> >
> > there were no "pools of molten steel"
>
> http://www.serendipity.li/wot/bollyn2.htm
> Mr. Bollyn quotes reputable businessmen involved in the cleanup who found
> molten steel at the bottom of the WTC elevator shafts 4 to 5 weeks after
> 9-11.
>
> Are you calling him, and these businessmen, liars?
>
> mellstrr
Incidently, the guy quoted there apparently admits he didn't see any
molten steel himself. At least acording to this kook who emailed him.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1033061598.890887%40cswreg.cos.agile
nt.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
Jack
> "Jack" <heavyf...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > >>
> > > >> >> Title: THE MYSTERY OF THE WTC COLLAPSE
> >
>
> We pay attention, Jack.
>
>
> > this is a far more interesting topic than the yawner claims made by
> > the Gummints'-Out-Ta-Get-Me crowd. in fact, a study of the Konspiracy
> > Kreep would be a good topic for a graduate psychology student.
>
> <kooky response snipped>
>
> There is good reason for anyone to believe the gummint is no good...
> have a looksie, jack.
> http://csf.colorado.edu/forums/debt/archives/msg00687.html
you're not paying attention, Copper. I didn't say the gummint is
good, I'm saying you Konspiracy Loonies are insane. The gobmunt, like
any large institution, has covered up its own negligence, bad judgment
and sometimes even intentional misconduct in the past. But it passes
stupidity to believe that the gobbermint is, on one hand, smart and
twisted enough to plan 911 yet dumb enough to fool everyone except a
few internet konspiracy morons.
but here's the real difference between us. I'm not an engineer, so I
don't have a personal understanding of the mechanics of how steel is
softened by the combustion of thousands of gallons of jet fuel and
other burning material, but I've read the reports and summmaries of
reports of people who are engineers and have accepted the obvious
conclusion of 99.999% of the population. You aren't an engineer
either, and for you, lack of professional training aggravated by
inability to understand or accept the assessment of those do do have
is what makes you a Kook.
what passes for thinking in your world is reading what you want to
hear on other kook's websites and newsgroups. but we all know that,
I'm still curious why you need to Believe.
you haven't answered that.
Besides, if you were really paying attention you'd have noticed the
communists under your bed and in the state department, the brigade of
three inch high dragoons in your back yard and the fact that your
gardener is also your congressman.
Hit1Hard
Sieg heil to you to.
>> > Anyway, if you swallowed the thermite bullshit,
>> > you couldn't be expected to be able to understand even the most
>> > rudimentary explanation.
>>
>> Ah. Is that so eh? Who briefed you? Fox-News?
>
> Outside of your kind of life, there are information sources other than
> television. Take my word for it.
I would take your word, if it was handed on a gold platter.
>> Hosannah Oh Sannity... himself?
>
> Anyone who is willing to humiliate himself by writing something that
> lame deserves a prize.
Anyone that can only talk about Clinton while his hero gave the guy a
presidential pardon deserves whatever he gets.
> How about a nice "I'm Lamer Than A Three-legged
> Dung Beetle" tattoo on your forehead?
Wow, do they look nice when you look in the mirror?
>> > You guys could have more fun making up goofy stories about the
>> > attacks if you'd relax and see that everyone else knows what happened
>> > and isn't all that interesting your vaporing.
>>
>> Goofy stories.. Most goofy stories fall when the right questions are
>> asked.. Like the ones you don't want to adress.
>
> You'll have to look elsewhere for help with your problem. My only
> intent is to let you know you're mildly amusing.
Who cares about your intent?
>> > Just learn to enjoy being laughed
>> > at, and you'll feel better.
>>
>> I rather have them laugh, then cry, since that event only lasts 3 days
>> And then one may consider oneself very lucky. (Dutch saying.)
>
> WTF? (American saying)
Yeah.. and regularly used when something flies right over.
>> Ok.. Now after this public relieving, I hope you feel so much better,
>> that
> you
>> can adress the question you replied to.. Witnesses and such.
>
> What part of your shitting yourself should make me feel better, fool?
I love the way you adress your points...
Now back to the issue at hand.. What makes you think (?Oxymoron?) that one
kind of witnesses is more credible then an other kind of witnesses ?
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rotmfflmmfao. Why didn't you just call me names or something,
since you're so pissed off at me for writing such an accurate
description of a small sample of your problems?
>
> >> > Anyway, if you swallowed the thermite bullshit,
> >> > you couldn't be expected to be able to understand even the most
> >> > rudimentary explanation.
> >>
> >> Ah. Is that so eh? Who briefed you? Fox-News?
> >
> > Outside of your kind of life, there are information sources other than
> > television. Take my word for it.
>
> I would take your word, if it was handed on a gold platter.
If I said Osama bin Laden is actually Billy Graham in drag or some
zany thing like that, you'd take my word for it. You've shown that you
open wide and swallow whenever anyone makes up a lame story..
> >> Hosannah Oh Sannity... himself?
> >
> > Anyone who is willing to humiliate himself by writing something that
> > lame deserves a prize.
>
> Anyone that can only talk about Clinton while his hero gave the guy a
> presidential pardon deserves whatever he gets.
If I didn't already know you're a fucking idiot, I'd be amazed that
you think that remark has anything to do with what I said.
> > How about a nice "I'm Lamer Than A Three-legged
> > Dung Beetle" tattoo on your forehead?
>
> Wow, do they look nice when you look in the mirror?
Zinger! Wow! That was real clever! I bet you're telling all
the other kids you said that, and you think they all wish they
had been first to say it. <snicker>
> >> > You guys could have more fun making up goofy stories about the
> >> > attacks if you'd relax and see that everyone else knows what happened
> >> > and isn't all that interesting your vaporing.
> >>
> >> Goofy stories.. Most goofy stories fall when the right questions are
> >> asked.. Like the ones you don't want to adress.
> >
> > You'll have to look elsewhere for help with your problem. My only
> > intent is to let you know you're mildly amusing.
>
> Who cares about your intent?
You asked me to try to explain your problems for you, moron.
My answer was and is that it's all too complex to try to dumb
down to your level and I don't intend to try.
> >> > Just learn to enjoy being laughed
> >> > at, and you'll feel better.
> >>
> >> I rather have them laugh, then cry, since that event only lasts 3 days
> >> And then one may consider oneself very lucky. (Dutch saying.)
> >
> > WTF? (American saying)
>
> Yeah.. and regularly used when something flies right over.
Good grief.
> >> Ok.. Now after this public relieving, I hope you feel so much better,
> >> that
> > you
> >> can adress the question you replied to.. Witnesses and such.
> >
> > What part of your shitting yourself should make me feel better, fool?
>
> I love the way you adress your points...
Actually, you don't. You're an idiot. You believe that your
dissembling is a real reaction.
> Now back to the issue at hand.. What makes you think (?Oxymoron?) that one
> kind of witnesses is more credible then an other kind of witnesses ?
You and the like are one kind, and non-idiots are another, for example.
It's hilarious that you would even hint that you might be able to decide
who's credible, after your showing here. Once you swallow something
as idiotic as that thermite story, any comments you make about
credibility could wreck a whole generation of irony meters.
John Griffin
Cretin "mellstrrr" <mell...@spamthis.com> wrote
That's a fact, not an opinion. By nature, people of average or better
intelligence are more credible than, for example, you. The fact that
you don't know it is part of the proof.
> Here's my opinion on 'nature of things'. In John Griffin World, it's the
> 'nature of things' to believe the tripe du jour from the American
Mainstream
> FAUX news without questioning...
"FAUX news"! Wow! More cretin wit! Why do so many of you
amazingly stupid people always start shrieking about something
that isn't even part of the discussion when you get frustrated?
Hasn't your mom told you to just shut the fuck up when you can't
think of anything to say?
> (sigh) He's just another lemming-troll in complete denial. How sad.
>
> I feel a <ploink> coming on...
>
> mellstrr
Hell no. I read your idiotic gobble for laughs. Oh...wait...you mean
you're afraid to continue embarrassing yourself by trying to answer.
It would be a good move, cretin. Anyone who is so fucking stupid
that he thinks all people are equally credible (or equally anything),
should stay out of sight...unless you're some kind of masochist.
John Griffin
>
> "John Griffin" <thathi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:bhcaaf$10ct7v$1...@ID-185531.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > "mellstrrr" <mell...@spamthis.com> wrote in message
> > news:bhc76...@enews3.newsguy.com...
> > >
> > > "John Griffin" <thathi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:bhc2b8$100ait$1...@ID-185531.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > >
> > > > "mellstrrr" <mell...@spamthis.com> wrote
> > > > > "vince" <fir...@pressroom.com> wrote
> > > > > >
> > > > > > there were no "pools of molten steel"
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.serendipity.li/wot/bollyn2.htm
> > > > > Mr. Bollyn quotes reputable businessmen involved in the cleanup
who
> > > found
> > > > > molten steel at the bottom of the WTC elevator shafts 4 to 5 weeks
> > after
> > > > > 9-11.
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you calling him, and these businessmen, liars?
>
> > > > Holy shit, man, no one would dare mess with any anonymous
> > > > reputable businessmen.
>
> Are you calling Bollyn and the named businessmen liars?
Why do you ask? Of course they're liars, if they parroted or invented
any part of the idiotic thermite story. Why do you keep asking people
that question? I get the feeling that you think there's some danger in
mentioning the fact that the story is bogus.
> > >
> > > Read the link. It contains identities.
> >
> >
> > Oh, no! It's even more scary than I thought! Disagreeing with
> > identified reputable merchants' opinions on things they know
> > nothing about is really fuckin' dangerous!
>
> So you know more about it, then?
I suppose you think I already said that, but now I will. Yes.
> Are you saying that you believe that this report is nonsense, and that the
> person writing it--and his sources and witnesses--are lying? Tell us why.
Be
> specific.
What the fuck is with that fixation? Get some help. The story is
pure bullshit. If those people are actually stupid enough to believe
that nonsense, they aren't lying. Otherwise, they are. It's obvious,
cretin.
> I mean, if all you can do is be a smartass about it, you must not have
> anything of real substance to say.
Now, that was funny. Show us your substance. Show us how you
recognize substance when you see it. har de har har
> mellstrr--pardon me for pointing out the obvious, but....
Merely obvious is nowhere near within your mental grasp.
You've shown that you can't even get the glaringly obvious.
That's not an opinion. It's an observation based on your
empty yapping.
Richard Bell
Hit1Hard <Hit.On...@iaehv.nl> wrote:
>
>Allthought the hammer of ?30+? floors came down in one piece (As the
>movie goes..) The
>floors below the falling floors were designed to bear the weight of the floors
>above.. (For the construction to be stable.) One might expect the centre
>core to be a little bit more resistant to pressure. (And even for the top
>to topple over.)
>
There is an incredible difference between supporting a thirty floor building
and surviving the impact of having a thirty floor building dropped from
a height of ten feet. The first is a static load that slowly grows from
zero to the full weight as the building is completed. The second incident
is a dynamic load of several times the weight that must be resisted without
shattering. The difference can be compared to balancing a bowling ball on your
head, and catching a bowling ball with your head.
Filth Estate
news:bhdnp4$39u$3...@tabloid.uwaterloo.ca:
You people are still discounting resistance entirely.
Not to mention the fact that the top of one of the towers was initially
falling to the side, yet the entire building still pancaked.
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Filth Estate
news:c8e41214.03081...@posting.google.com:
You people with absolutely no ground to stand on whatsoever crack me up.
DrPostman
Oops! Mellstrr steps into his own shit again.
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<spamsp...@spam.spam> wrote:
>heavyf...@yahoo.com (Jack) wrote in
>news:c8e41214.03081...@posting.google.com:
>> what passes for thinking in your world is reading what you want to
>> hear on other kook's websites and newsgroups. but we all know that,
>> I'm still curious why you need to Believe.
>>
>> you haven't answered that.
>
>You people with absolutely no ground to stand on whatsoever crack me up.
Only because you are completely unable to grasp the obvious.
Jack
you were cracked long before I got on the scene. anyway, your total
evasion is noted.
but before you return to your Gubbermint-Ate-My-Dessert Konspiracies,
why don't you explain what deep psychological need you are getting
fulfilled by these pretty ridiculous fantasies?
are you feeling unique?
are you a professional victim in the "them against us" mode?
are you bonding with all the other basement dwelling kooks quailing in
fear of gubbmint-issue jackboots kicking your door in?
something's gotta be motivating you to act stupid, even if it is only
on usenet.
according to a UFO cult, the US Navy is resetting all the clocks in
the country, if you hurry, you can catch them in the act.
salerio
> Allthought the hammer of ?30+? floors came down in one piece (As the movie goes..) The
> floors below the falling floors were designed to bear the weight of the floors
> above.. (For the construction to be stable.) One might expect the centre
> core to be a little bit more resistant to pressure. (And even for the top
> to topple over.)
bwahahahahahaha
you guys are frigging morons! Go on, show me your engineering analysis
of this! I just have to see it.
Dear all that is good, you are really showing your stupidity now.
Come on, no arm waving, show us the maths. What? You can't? Then why
should you even believe yourselves?
>
>
>>Jim
>
>
salerio
> You people are still discounting resistance entirely.
>
> Not to mention the fact that the top of one of the towers was initially
> falling to the side, yet the entire building still pancaked.
>
show us your engineering stress analysis as to why YOU think it would do
anyhting different to what it did.
You can't? So why should anyone believe you. Geez! The maths are not
even hard, any 18YO maths student should be able to do it given enough
time. Statics and dynamics are not hard.
salerio
> On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 18:14:20 GMT, Filth Estate
> <spamsp...@spam.spam> wrote:
>
>
>>heavyf...@yahoo.com (Jack) wrote in
>>news:c8e41214.03081...@posting.google.com:
>
>
>>>what passes for thinking in your world is reading what you want to
>>>hear on other kook's websites and newsgroups. but we all know that,
>>>I'm still curious why you need to Believe.
>>>
>>>you haven't answered that.
>
>
>>You people with absolutely no ground to stand on whatsoever crack me up.
>
>
>
> Only because you are completely unable to grasp the obvious.
so show us some engineering maths to back up your claim.
You can't? Oh dear.
mellstrrr
"DrPostman" <Lo...@mysig.foremail> wrote in message
news:ku2ljv0jo07a3ks6o...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 07:23:57 -0700, Matthew Kriebel
> <mkr...@cruzio.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <bhbn7...@enews2.newsguy.com>,
> > "mellstrrr" <mell...@spamthis.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "vince" <fir...@pressroom.com> wrote in message
> >> news:b81eb99d.03081...@posting.google.com...
> >>
> >> >
> >> > there were no "pools of molten steel"
> >>
> >> http://www.serendipity.li/wot/bollyn2.htm
> >> Mr. Bollyn quotes reputable businessmen involved in the cleanup who
found
> >> molten steel at the bottom of the WTC elevator shafts 4 to 5 weeks
after
> >> 9-11.
> >>
> >> Are you calling him, and these businessmen, liars?
> >>
> >molten steel himself. At least acording to this kook who emailed him.
Incidentally, you didn't answer my question.
> >
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1033061598.890887%40cswreg.cos.agilent
.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
>
>
> Oops! Mellstrr steps into his own shit again.
>
"his"??
Pay attention, Doc. You've obviously missed a few things. You're still
batting zero. Again.
This is what the man says in this newsgroup post:
>>>>>>I didn't personally see molten steel at the World Trade Center site.
It was
reported to me by contractors we had been working with. Molten steel was
encountered primarily during excavation of debris around the South Tower
when large hydraulic excavators were digging trenches 2 to 4 meters deep
into the compacted/burning debris pile. There are both video tape and still
photos of the molten steel being "dipped" out by the buckets of excavators.
I'm not sure where you can get a copy.
Sorry I cannot provide personal confirmation.
Regards,
==========================
Mark Loizeaux, President
CONTROLLED DEMOLITION, INC.
2737 Merryman's Mill Road
Phoenix, Maryland USA 21131
Tel: 1-410-667-6610
Fax: 1-410-667-6624
www.controlled-demolition.com<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
It was reported by contractors, and Loizeaux says that there are videotapes
and pictures. Bollyn stands by the story.
So I'm gonna ask again--are you calling these guys liars, or not?
mellstrr