Bad News for 'Moon Hoax' Buffs
Bunn E. Rabbit
Well, it looks like you Humans went to the Moon after all. But we
Animals were the first in space!
--
Bunn E. Rabbit
http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/050304_moon_snoop.html
<lots of links from the page>
End of Conspiracy Theories? Spacecraft Snoops Apollo Moon Sites
By Leonard David
Senior Space Writer
posted: 04 March 2005
12:26 pm ET
A European spacecraft now orbiting the Moon could turn out to be a
time machine of sorts as it photographs old landing sites of Soviet
robotic probes and the areas where American Apollo crews set down and
explored.
New imagery of old Apollo touchdown spots, from the European Space
Agency’s (ESA) SMART-1 probe, might put to rest conspiratorial
thoughts that U.S. astronauts didn’t go the distance and scuff up the
lunar landscape. NASA carried out six piloted landings on the Moon in
the time period 1969 through 1972.
Fringe theorists have said images of the waving flag -- on a Moon with
no atmosphere -- and other oddities show that NASA never really went
to the Moon. No serious scientist or spaceflight historian doubts the
success of the Apollo program, however.
"We are observing some of the landing sites for calibration and ground
truth purposes," said Bernard Foing, Chief Scientist of the ESA
Science Program.
Foing told SPACE.com that the SMART-1 orbiter circling the Moon has
already covered the Apollo 11, 16, 17 landing sites, as well as spots
where the former Soviet Union’s Luna 16 and Luna 20 automated vehicles
plopped down. The images have not yet been released.
Detailed search planned
Given SMART-1’s initial high orbit, however, it may prove difficult to
see artifacts, Foing explained. Using its ion engine, the probe has
successfully spiraled down further to an altitude closer to the Moon.
Foing said that each Apollo site, where the engine blast of the
two-person landing craft stirred up the landscape, could be worthwhile
targets for SMART-1 imaging.
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"We shall search for them, with measurements not only in black and
white, but also in three colors giving some information about
minerals, weathering or [rocket engine] plume disturbance," he said.
SMART-1 operators also plan sequences that keep the probe’s camera
specially trained on some landing sites as it sweeps overhead, Foing
said. Along with these observations and others, the spacecraft will
also be busy gleaning data in preparation for future international
lunar exploration missions, he emphasized.
SMART-1 arrived in lunar orbit last November. Last month, ESA
announced that the lunar mission would be extended by one year,
pushing back the mission end date from August 2005 to August 2006.
The extension permits stereo measurements of select areas of interest.
Doing so, topography maps of specific lunar real estate can be
created. Mapping prospective landing sites for future robotic and
human missions are possible too.
Why not Hubble?
If SMART-1 can get an eyeful, why not use the Hubble space telescope
to take photos of the Apollo landing sites? Hubble did photograph the
Moon, in 1999.
"Anything left on the Moon cannot be resolved in any Hubble image,"
According to the Space Telescope Science Institute, which operates
Hubble for NASA. "It would just appear as a dot."
Meanwhile, the trickiest task that the SMART-1 scientists have set
themselves is to use a spacecraft spectrometer to look for the
infrared signature of water ice, and perhaps frozen carbon dioxide and
carbon monoxide too. Previous missions have provided evidence for
water ice tucked away in permanently shadowed polar craters.
Any water on the lunar surface would be very helpful in the creation
of permanent bases on the Moon, as outlined last year by President
Bush. Other nations have Moon plans, too.
But to have survived, the water must be in the form of ice in places
always hidden from the Sun. Such dark places exist, notably in the
bottoms of small craters in the Moon’s polar regions.
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Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)
<BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
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>
>Foing said that each Apollo site, where the engine blast of the
>two-person landing craft stirred up the landscape, could be worthwhile
>targets for SMART-1 imaging.
Offishul VG Predicshun: The k00ks will claim the pictures are fake.
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Darkwing (Double Secret Disinformation Agent)
"Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)" <vgor...@pobox.alaska.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 01:49:51 GMT, Bunn E. Rabbit
> <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
> <c3cn215odbt1v36cv...@4ax.com>:
>
>>
>>Foing said that each Apollo site, where the engine blast of the
>>two-person landing craft stirred up the landscape, could be worthwhile
>>targets for SMART-1 imaging.
>
> Offishul VG Predicshun: The k00ks will claim the pictures are fake.
> --
> V.G.
>
They won't be fake, they will just send rockets with robots up there and put
a mock lander and rover up there and a "footbot" to put some shoe prints
around. DUH.
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DW
John Griffin
> On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 01:49:51 GMT, Bunn E. Rabbit
> <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in
> message <c3cn215odbt1v36cv...@4ax.com>:
>
>>
>>Foing said that each Apollo site, where the engine blast of
>>the two-person landing craft stirred up the landscape, could
>>be worthwhile targets for SMART-1 imaging.
>
> Offishul VG Predicshun: The k00ks will claim the pictures are
> fake. --
Since when are unequivocal predictions allowed here?
Paul Tibbets
"Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)" <vgor...@pobox.alaska.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 01:49:51 GMT, Bunn E. Rabbit
> <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
> <c3cn215odbt1v36cv...@4ax.com>:
>
> >
> >Foing said that each Apollo site, where the engine blast of the
> >two-person landing craft stirred up the landscape, could be worthwhile
> >targets for SMART-1 imaging.
>
> Offishul VG Predicshun: The k00ks will claim the pictures are fake.
Now you did it.
I can't get that "Merry Melodies" theme song out my head.
brumac
If you do not believe, no proof is sufficient
> > Offishul VG Predicshun: The k00ks will claim the pictures are
fake.
> > --
Vorpal
CWatters
"Bunn E. Rabbit" <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote in message
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> If SMART-1 can get an eyeful, why not use the Hubble space telescope
> to take photos of the Apollo landing sites? Hubble did photograph the
> Moon, in 1999.
>
> "Anything left on the Moon cannot be resolved in any Hubble image,"
> According to the Space Telescope Science Institute, which operates
> Hubble for NASA. "It would just appear as a dot."
..and Hubble has much better things to look at!
Cardinal Chunder
> Well, it looks like you Humans went to the Moon after all. But we
> Animals were the first in space!
>
The kook brigade don't care any more. The moon landing hoax is already
canon in their thick heads, and now they're busily integrating 9/11 into
it too. Facts or evidence to the contrary are to be ignored.
Gregory L. Hansen
I knew there are 9/11 conspiracy theories, but integrating them into the
moon landing hoax?
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"Are those morons getting dumber or just louder?" -- Mayor Quimby
Cardinal Chunder
> In article <d0h65...@news1.newsguy.com>,
> Cardinal Chunder <cchunder_S_P@A_M.foiler.yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Bunn E. Rabbit wrote:
>>
>>>Well, it looks like you Humans went to the Moon after all. But we
>>>Animals were the first in space!
>>>
>>
>>The kook brigade don't care any more. The moon landing hoax is already
>>canon in their thick heads, and now they're busily integrating 9/11 into
>>it too. Facts or evidence to the contrary are to be ignored.
>
> I knew there are 9/11 conspiracy theories, but integrating them into the
> moon landing hoax?
It's all part of a larger conspiracy you see, involving the illuminati,
freemasons and / or an international zionist conspiracy!
C Sar
> Animals were the first in space!
>
> --
> Bunn E. Rabbit
>
>
> http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/050304_moon_snoop.html
>
> <lots of links from the page>
>
> End of Conspiracy Theories? Spacecraft Snoops Apollo Moon Sites
what garbage. this piece does nothing to debunk the moon hoax conspiracies:
"Given SMART-1's initial high orbit, however, it may prove difficult to see
artifacts..."
and
"Anything left on the Moon cannot be resolved in any Hubble image,"
According to the Space Telescope Science Institute, which operates Hubble
for NASA. "It would just appear as a dot."
present lies to cover past lies. our most expensive telescopes can't resolve
the landing site? rovers? flag? it's total bullshit. man never went to the
moon.
Randy Poe
C Sar wrote:
> "Anything left on the Moon cannot be resolved in any Hubble image,"
> According to the Space Telescope Science Institute, which operates
Hubble
> for NASA. "It would just appear as a dot."
>
> present lies to cover past lies. our most expensive telescopes can't
resolve
> the landing site? rovers? flag? it's total bullshit. man never went
to the
> moon.
Why don't you look up the resolution of the Hubble,
and work out how big an object that corresponds to
on the moon's surface?
I'll give you a hint: The resolution of the Hubble is
about 3.2*10^-7. That is, at a distance of X, the Hubble
can resolve something which is 3 ten-millionth's of X in
size.
Sounds pretty good, right? That means 100 km away, it could
resolve something which is 3 cm across. That is indeed
a very small angle. Unfortunately, at the distance of
the moon, this very small angle corresponds to something
over 100 m.
- Randy
Sam Wormley
> I'll give you a hint: The resolution of the Hubble is
> about 3.2*10^-7.
Radians, degrees, arc seconds? He many need a better hint. :-)
Darkwing (Double Secret Disinformation Agent)
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HEY FUCKHOLE.
Kook Moonhoax Stance #1, the flag waves (though the guys damn hand is on the
flag) so there is "air" in the studio.
So what happens when they drop the feather and hammer at the same time? They
hit the ground at the same time! Because there is no AIR RESISTANCE because
they are on the airless fucking MOON!
You MOON kooks can't have it both ways! If NASA really did cover it up they
would have had an airless studio the whole time.
---------------------------------------------------
DW
Martin
>
> Meanwhile, the trickiest task that the SMART-1 scientists have set
> themselves is to use a spacecraft spectrometer to look for the
> infrared signature of water ice, and perhaps frozen carbon dioxide and
> carbon monoxide too. Previous missions have provided evidence for
> water ice tucked away in permanently shadowed polar craters.
I'm an engineer, not a scientist.....
I'm a little suprised it hasn't all sublimated before before now, low
gravity and no atmosphere would presumably hurry the process of
sublimation, then again the lack of atmosphere would keep the shaded
parts of the craters very, very cold.
How long does water ice last under these conditions? I can see loads of
the stuff arriving in the early days of the solar system, but figured it
would have all gone by now.
cheers
Julian Love God
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It arrives on Earth, as both ice and oxygen and hydrogen gasses
(solar wind). There should be some equilibrium value...
David A. Smith
Uncle Al
The Hubble could not tolerate the light intensity even if it had the
resolution. Two Hubbles phase-locked into an optical interferometer
would pull it off, except for the bright light.
Why doesn't NASA (Not A Space Agency) put the Hubble up for bid? One
suspects China would enjoy getting it at deep discount, then solicit
People's volunteers and rent a Space Scuttle mission to upgrade their
new toy. Or drop some cash on Scaled Composites and have them design
a real surface-to-orbit heavy lifter. Or dust the cobwebs off a
surplus Saturn booster and upgrade,
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/nasa3.htm
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mme...@cars3.uchicago.edu
>In article <d0h65...@news1.newsguy.com>,
>Cardinal Chunder <cchunder_S_P@A_M.foiler.yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>Bunn E. Rabbit wrote:
>>> Well, it looks like you Humans went to the Moon after all. But we
>>> Animals were the first in space!
>>>
>>
>>The kook brigade don't care any more. The moon landing hoax is already
>>canon in their thick heads, and now they're busily integrating 9/11 into
>>it too. Facts or evidence to the contrary are to be ignored.
>
>I knew there are 9/11 conspiracy theories, but integrating them into the
>moon landing hoax?
>
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
me...@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
Brad Guth
There's no question that we went to and orbited the moon, same goes for
those dirty rotten Russian landers that AI/robotic fly-by-rocket suck
almost as bad off as did our manned landers. And, there's no question
that stuff got sent down to the surface where it summarily impacted and
caused a great deal raw lunar basalt to being exposed for a good
hundred meters in all directions, thus the 3~5% reflective index of
each and every supposed landing sight is entirely correct, whereas
whatever vaporised upon impact accomplished exactly what was at the
time the best humanity could muster.
However, the supposed very best raw 30 meter/pixel capability of the
SMART-1 imaging absolutely sucks almost worse off than a cell-phone
camera using those 2.2 micron/pixel CCDs.
None the less, I'd believe those SMART-1 images are not so much fake as
resolution modified and/or restricted from being enhanced via stacking
and/or of any photoshop improvements prior to being released to the
public. At least that's exactly what NASA/NSA did with the shuttle SAR
images of Earth which provided merely 30 meter/pixel when the German
team had reported 1.5 meters/pixel. Of course, that's only a 20:1
matter of fact which supposedly is not going to be the case with
whatever SMART-1 provides.
Of course, being the village idiot that I am, I've somewhat disagreed
and, lo and behold they don't much like it when folks disagree with
their all-knowing expertise, as that's exactly why they're situated
here within this internet cesspool of disinformation-R-us instead of
actually accomplishing something/anything on behalf of humanity,
devoting all of their talents and expertise at our expense into
whatever it takes as to bashing others for even so much as looking
outside of their cozy publicly funded mainstream (NASA/Apollo) status
quo box. Thus they're not actually intellectual bigots, just your plain
old biologically run of the mill two faced incest cloned bigots that'll
accomplish whatever it takes (without remorse), as to further
perpetrate whatever cold-war ruse or sting on behalf of their resident
warlord agenda of global energy domination, or bust.
On the other hand, and since I'm not so warm and fuzzy all-knowing, I
have a couple of testy topics, some of which dealing with the likes of
our moon, and others with photons, and of course as to other life upon
Venus which really pisses them off;
Photons/Universe or Neutrinos/Universe
How much of Earth is shrinking; 10 mm/year?
Terraforming the moon, before doing Mars or Venus
Anti-Matter/Photons as Blackholes, or 1e100 photons/atom
The Moon, LSE-CM/ISS, Venus and beyond, with He3 to burn
Lunar/Moon Space Elevator, plus another ISS within the CM
Space Policy Sucks, while there's Life on Venus
Ice Ages directly regulated by Sirius
SETI/GUTH Venus, no kidding
Terraforming the moon
Relocate ISS to ME-L1
And, if none of those are worth your time or within your expertise, in
that case I have a few dozen other topics I'd like nothing better than
improved math and of whatever otherwise makes the most sense, of which
having to make sense doesn't necessarily have to be what the status quo
has been insisting, as God forbid should they could be even 1% wrong
and it's 'nondisclosure' self-destruct.
Basic township that's situated upon Venus:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
Basic LSE (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Regards, Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS topics:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
robert j. kolker
Uncle Al wrote:
> new toy. Or drop some cash on Scaled Composites and have them design
> a real surface-to-orbit heavy lifter. Or dust the cobwebs off a
> surplus Saturn booster and upgrade,
You are aware, I assume, that the blueprints and technicals specs for
the Saturn booster have been trashed. The only way to get a Saturn is to
start its design and construction from scratch. A new Saturn would be
better than the original because it can incorporate some of the new
technology.
Bob Kolker
mme...@cars3.uchicago.edu
>In article <d0ik9j$aq3$1...@rainier.uits.indiana.edu>,
>Geoff Cashman <theobviou...@theobviousindiana.edu> wrote:
>>In article <d0ihvc$66m$1...@xenon.Stanford.EDU>,
>>Alan Morgan <amo...@xenon.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
>>>
>>>Irrefutable evidence had been uncovered that would prove to everyone
>>>(yeah, even you. I'm talking to YOU buddy) that we had never landed
>>>on the moon.
>>>
>>
>>Like what? The evil Van Allen belts being lethal to any humans
>>that go into them? Sorry. Dr. Van Allen public stated it was
>>safe to transit them. Oops.
>
>Woo hoo! I snagged one! How many troll points do I get for being
>taken seriously?
>
Not too many. On sci.physics, its like shooting fish in a barrel.
Douglas Berry
theobviou...@theobviousindiana.edu (Geoff Cashman) drained his
beer, leaned back in the alt.conspiracy beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
>Owned. You got me :)
>
>But hey, there's so many of the stupid moon hoaxers out there...
It's hard to spot the satire amongst the idiocy at times.
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Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)
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Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)
Disinformation Agent\)" <theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote in
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>So what happens when they drop the feather and hammer at the same time? They
>hit the ground at the same time! Because there is no AIR RESISTANCE because
>they are on the airless fucking MOON!
>
>You MOON kooks can't have it both ways! If NASA really did cover it up they
>would have had an airless studio the whole time.
They obviously used a MAGNET, YOU NASA STOOGE DICKHEAD!
Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)
wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
>None the less, I'd believe those SMART-1 images are not so much fake as
>resolution modified and/or restricted from being enhanced via stacking
>and/or of any photoshop improvements prior to being released to the
>public.
I'm GOOD, Baby!
George
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Bhwhahahahahaha!!!!! One ADFB coming right up!
George
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>
> "Uncle Al" <Uncl...@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
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>
>> The Hubble could not tolerate the light intensity even if it had the
>> resolution.
>
> The problem is both the angular resolution of a 98 inch mirror
> and that the moon is moving too fast for Hubble to lock
> on to properly - so some resolution is lost to slight motion blur.
>
It sure has. Here are the images:
http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/newsdesk/archive/releases/1999/14/
George
"Douglas Berry" <pengu...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:52:24 +0000 (UTC),
> theobviou...@theobviousindiana.edu (Geoff Cashman) drained his
> beer, leaned back in the alt.conspiracy beanbag and drunkenly
> proclaimed the following
>
>>Owned. You got me :)
>>
>>But hey, there's so many of the stupid moon hoaxers out there...
>
> It's hard to spot the satire amongst the idiocy at times.
Speaking of satire, here is definitive (big grin) "proof" that the Apollo moon
landings were fake:
http://www.gaiaguys.net/moontruth.htm
enjoy!
kOoK E. Rabbit
theobviou...@theobviousindiana.edu (Geoff Cashman) wrote:
>In article <d0ihvc$66m$1...@xenon.Stanford.EDU>,
>Alan Morgan <amo...@xenon.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
>>
>>Irrefutable evidence had been uncovered that would prove to everyone
>>(yeah, even you. I'm talking to YOU buddy) that we had never landed
>>on the moon.
>>
>
>Like what? The evil Van Allen belts being lethal to any humans
>that go into them? Sorry. Dr. Van Allen public stated it was
>safe to transit them. Oops.
>
OMG! Van Allen is in on the hoax too?
--
kOoK E. Rabbit
>Like what? Flag waving on the surface? Except, it doesn't move
>when it's not being touched. Oops.
>
>Like what? No blast crater beneath the lander? The energy needed
>by the descent engine spread out over the engine bell's diameter
>results on some simple physics that shows the pressure exerted was
>about what you could exert with your hand on a horizontal surface. Oops.
>
>Like what? Come on. Be specific!
>
>-Geoff
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Yea right..the next thing you're going to tell is the Hubble can't see
the "dark side" of the moon 'cause it's um..dark.
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KoOk E. Rabbit
So where's the flag and the golf ball?
George
"KoOk E. Rabbit" <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 05:43:56 GMT, "George"
> <geo...@wtfiswrongwithyou.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"chosp" <ch...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>news:L04Xd.159664$0u.117816@fed1read04...
>>>
>>> "Uncle Al" <Uncl...@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
>>> news:422C99AF...@hate.spam.net...
>>>
>>>> The Hubble could not tolerate the light intensity even if it had the
>>>> resolution.
>>>
>>> Not true. Hubble has imaged the moon.
>>> The problem is both the angular resolution of a 98 inch mirror
>>> and that the moon is moving too fast for Hubble to lock
>>> on to properly - so some resolution is lost to slight motion blur.
>>>
>>
>>It sure has. Here are the images:
>>
>>http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/newsdesk/archive/releases/1999/14/
>>
>
> So where's the flag and the golf ball?
That's the point, isn't it? Hubble cannot resolve the Apollo landing sites.
Cardinal Chunder
> Martin,
> Better than 4 decades and there's still no hard-science with regard to
> ice or even dry-ice in space.
>
> I suppose that sort of science was simply far too costly to accomplish,
> and besides I've been informed by so many others that it doesn't even
> matter.
>
So what is a comet oh illustrious one?
lensm...@hotmail.com
If you could pull in the Hubble image close enough to resolve the moon
landing sites, you'd be in so close you couldn't see anything around
them but grey. At which point the conspiracists (sp?) would simply
scream that the photos had been faked! The only way to convince them
would be to take them to the Moon and dump them outside the landing
sites so they could see for themselves. Oh, let's not forget to drop
them off WITHOUT helmets since everybody knows you could project moon
images onto the helmets as a trick.
George
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I'll have to put that one into my bag of tricks. Thanks.
Carl Wilting
yourselves how right you are, but then the next thing you do is crash
and burn. That's Mother Natures way of telling you that you are
completely full of shit! If you weren't such ignorant asses, it
wouldn't be so funny. You poor fools will never learn. 35 years later
the Europeans send a small Robot to the Moon, even if they get any
images all you are proving is that they snt a Robot to the Moon. But
you've already made up your mind, because you obviously have no
understanding of real Spaceflight. The real amazing fact is that
thetre are still people in the 21st Century that believe in the Man on
the Moon, that is an amazing monument to American Ignorance. These
poor fools waste all their time "proving" that they must be right,
simply because their minds are to small to even consider the
possibility that they could be wrong. Look around you, your kiddies TV
show has faded into nothingness. William Shatner is more famous than
all the Apollo astronauts combined. Why dont you try actually flying
to the Moon? You cant even get off the ground. You get so exited
aboout some pathetic 60 mile high suborbital launch, you dont know
enough about spaceflight to realize how insignificant that is. You can
go back to worshipping your magical Moonrocks and pretending that you
can fly to the Moon powered by nothing but ignorance and vanity. The
only reason the idea of the Moon hoax bothers you so is because its
true, it wont go away. Your Apollo program has disappeared without a
trace decades ago and I don't have to even lift a finger. Fooling
people like you is pathetically easy, flying to the Moon is difficult
beyond your ability to comprehenmd. Remember, we tried to educate you,
but you proved too ignorant to even grasp something as obvious as the
fact you cant fly to the Moon. Your loss, because as the real world
keeps demonstrating, things your little minds can't even begin to
comprehend can kill you, and you dont even have to go to the Moon to
discover that. Dream on, you are only fooling yourselves.
George
"Carl Wilting" <loot...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:13198605.05030...@posting.google.com...
Whoa there fella. Your aluminum foil deflector beanie is not properly seated.
Let me help you with that:
lensm...@hotmail.com
Carl Wilting wrote:
> You people can vainly listen to the sound of your own voices tell
> yourselves how right you are, but then the next thing you do is crash
> and burn. That's Mother Natures way of telling you that you are
> completely full of shit! If you weren't such ignorant asses, it
> wouldn't be so funny. You poor fools will never learn. 35 years later
> the Europeans send a small Robot to the Moon, even if they get any
> images all you are proving is that they snt a Robot to the Moon. But
> you've already made up your mind, because you obviously have no
> understanding of real Spaceflight. The real amazing fact is that
> thetre are still people in the 21st Century that believe in the Man
on
> the Moon, that is an amazing monument to American Ignorance.
Carl, somewhere in this rant would you like to give us some evidence of
what you are claiming? Would you like to explain how they managed the
telemetry so that nations around the world were tracking the Apollo
capsules during their voyage? Would you like to explain how they filmed
in an airless environment without actually BEING in an airless
environment? Would you like to explain why the flag on the Moon doesn't
move unless someone is adjusting the pole (or when the camera shot
outside the LEM window at liftoff)? Oh, and please make certain you
give the creditials for anybody you quote. I'd rather not read about
the "NASA engineer" who turned out to be a copywriter in the office
somewhere.
Thank you.
Randy Poe
Geoff Cashman wrote:
> In article <13198605.05030...@posting.google.com>,
> Carl Wilting <loot...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >[..snip...essentially more of 'it's a hoax! it's a hoax!'
> > out any proof to show it's a hoax...snip..]
> >
>
> Easy fella. Stop spewing spittle and get a grip. When you
> calm down enough, come back and provide some evidence we
> didn't go to the moon, ok?
I find this pretty convincing:
http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/~akapadia/moon.html
- Randy
George
"Randy Poe" <poespa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1110299771.4...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Great stuff. Thanks.
Brad Guth
What exactly did you mean by;
'AssLexa's "200+" alien-implanted IQ jumps the rails and crashes into a
grade school, killing all inside'
That nasty part about 'killed off all the infidels, would you?' seems
perfectly clear. However, what exactly does that have to do with this
topic?
It seems your 'Sarcasm is my sword, Apathy is my shield' is somewhat
better off than what I've got to work with. Would you care to join
forces against all the 'infidels'.
Randy Poe
Geoff Cashman wrote:
> In article <1110299771.4...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> http://www.geocities.com/beaver_militia/nasa.html
Excellent. Anyone have the link to the one with the
little puppets?
Somewhere I saw a post identifying the puppets as
characters from an old British children's show. Can
anyone confirm?
- Randy
dlzc1 D:cox T:net@nospam.com N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
"Randy Poe" <poespa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1110302246.7...@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Geoff Cashman wrote:
>> In article
>> <1110299771.4...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
>> Randy Poe <poespa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >Geoff Cashman wrote:
>> >> In article
>> >> <13198605.05030...@posting.google.com>,
>> >> Carl Wilting <loot...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >[..snip...essentially more of 'it's a hoax! it's a hoax!'
>> >> > out any proof to show it's a hoax...snip..]
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Easy fella. Stop spewing spittle and get a grip. When you
>> >> calm down enough, come back and provide some evidence we
>> >> didn't go to the moon, ok?
>> >
>> >I find this pretty convincing:
>> >http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/~akapadia/moon.html
>> >
>>
>> Amen brother! I think the Amish are behind this!
>> http://www.geocities.com/beaver_militia/nasa.html
>
> Excellent. Anyone have the link to the one with the
> little puppets?
This one?
URL:http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/MoonLanding/MoonLanding.html
... rescued from vandals by Dirk Van de moortel.
David A. Smith
Randy Poe
N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
> Dear Randy Poe:
>
> This one?
>
URL:http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/MoonLanding/MoonLanding.html
> ... rescued from vandals by Dirk Van de moortel.
>
Yes! Thank you. I've bookmarked all 3 of these now, and
am looking for other examples in the same genre.
Now, does anybody fan of old British kids TV remember
the name of those little characters?
- Randy
DrPostman
accordance with The Prophecy scribed:
>Sorry, I guess I'm not that smart.
Wow, I guess even a broken clock is right twice a day. You
finally got one right.
--
DrPostman USPS, MBMC, BsD; "Disgruntled, But Unarmed"
Member,Board of Directors, afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULT® #15-51506-253.
AFA-B Official Pollster & Hammer of Thor winner - August 2004
You can email me at: DrPostman(at)gmail.com
"Skepticism's bad rap arises from the impression
that, however necessary the activity, it can only
be regarded as a negative removal of false claims.
Not so... Proper debunking is done in the interest
of an alternate model of explanation, not as a nihilistic
exercise. The alternate model is rationality itself, tied
to moral decency--the most powerful joint instrument for
good that our planet has ever known."
-Stephen Jay Gould
Cardinal Chunder
>
> David A. Smith
>
>
Screen caps were from some UK kids show from the 70s called The Clangers.
Allan Matthews
poespa...@yahoo.com says...
Of course the whole "moon" thing is a hoax anyway -
http://www.revisionism.nl/Moon/The-Mad-Revisionist.htm
allan
--
=========================================
"And the real lesson of the story?
Don't leave things in the fridge."
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Darkwing (Double Secret Disinformation Agent)
"Brad Guth" <ieisbr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1110301683.8...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Sorry, I guess I'm not that smart.
>
> What exactly did you mean by;
>
> http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Sounds like that "space-elevator" doesn't go to the top floor, if you know
what I mean.
--------------------------------------------------
DW
Martin
The Clangers, and not forgetting the Soup Gragon
Oh well :)
I still remember Pugh, Pugh, Barney McGrew, Cuthbert, Dibble, Grubb. :)
Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)
wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
<1110301683.8...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>:
You could go fuck yourself with a power drill. That would be great.
Thanks.
--
V.G.
"i would blame them it they went on a holy jhiad and killed off all the infidels, would you?" - AssLexa's "200+" alien-implanted IQ jumps the rails and crashes into a grade school, killing all inside.
Change pobox dot alaska to gci.
Sarcasm is my sword, Apathy is my shield.
George
"Never anonymous Bud" <new...@katxyzkave.net> wrote in message
news:qtas21puqmououe2v...@4ax.com...
> Using a finger dipped in purple ink, "George" <geo...@wtfiswrongwithyou.com>
> scribed:
>
>>>>http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/newsdesk/archive/releases/1999/14/
>>>>
>>>
>>> So where's the flag and the golf ball?
>>
>>That's the point, isn't it? Hubble cannot resolve the Apollo landing sites.
>
> 280 feet.
>
Well, there ya go!
> The truth is out there,
>
> but it's not interesting enough for most people.
C Sar
http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/space/03/07/rocket.malfunction.ap/index.html
chosp
"C Sar" <n...@vatican.org> wrote in message
news:d56f2$422ef611$18d6c6ae$23...@KNOLOGY.NET...
> yeah we went to the moon. sure.
Exactly right.
are technology is awesome. ;-p
No. Our technology was barely adequate.
But it worked nonetheless.
Brad Guth
Of course that elevator floor thing is a wee bit of a problem,
especially when those folks that are so snookered are walking the
64,000 km worth of steps when they could be taking the ride of their
lives.
You do realize that other than my LSE-CM/ISS there's no viable
fly-by-rocket alternative on the books for safely getting so much as a
robotic instrument onto the moon, or do you know something our NASA and
their USSR/Russian spooks don't?
hanso...@hotmail.com
robert j. kolker wrote:
> Uncle Al wrote:
> > new toy. Or drop some cash on Scaled Composites and have them
design
> > a real surface-to-orbit heavy lifter. Or dust the cobwebs off a
> > surplus Saturn booster and upgrade,
>
> You are aware, I assume, that the blueprints and technicals specs for
> the Saturn booster have been trashed.
That is a myth, and wholly untrue.
--
Mike.
Prai Jei
<c3cn215odbt1v36cv...@4ax.com>:
> A European spacecraft now orbiting the Moon could turn out to be a
> time machine of sorts as it photographs old landing sites of Soviet
> robotic probes and the areas where American Apollo crews set down and
> explored.
>
> New imagery of old Apollo touchdown spots, from the European Space
> Agency’s (ESA) SMART-1 probe, might put to rest conspiratorial
> thoughts that U.S. astronauts didn’t go the distance and scuff up the
> lunar landscape. NASA carried out six piloted landings on the Moon in
> the time period 1969 through 1972.
All the landing site images will prove, is that six spacecraft from the
1969-72 era did make soft landings on the moon at the designated sites.
Nobody disputes that. They weren't the first soft-landers. But would the
pictures be able to prove that those spacecraft were *manned*?
(I don't subscribe to the "hoax" camp myself, but let's keep an open mind
about it for now.)
--
Paul Townsend
Pair them off into threes
Interchange the alphabetic letter groups to reply
Brad Guth
Bones' realm,
I don't believe 'habshi' and so many other friends of humanity are
British, at least thank God I'm not, and thereby I'm not so easily
snookered. Sorry about the following rant, as it's more of the same old
stuff that still doesn't add up on behalf of NASA/Apollo.
Besides the lack of and/or evidence exclusions upon those supposed 4D
fly-by-rocket landers that still can't be accomplished (no hard-science
of any other form of evidence in sight or on record), the available
hard-science of our moon (what little there is of it) is not actually
about seeing nor about believing in anything except the almighty
dollar, as they'll just as soon switch pagan Gods or warlords at the
drop of any old hat, or rather as the drop of one thin dime becomes yet
another blood-bath fight to their death in going after that dime. So,
I'm not exactly sure that there's even room for any discussion/argument
pertaining to the human eye, especially if it matters not what that eye
sees.
It seems that the human eye absolutely sucks; as in what the freaking
hell was God or that of our supposed intelligent designers thinking,
whereas many animals and even a good number of insects have evolved
with less impaired eyes than humans, and half of those have a better
brain as for interpreting what's to be seen, whereas the brain-dead
unfiltered Kodak eye sees and manages to records beyond human
perceptions, and as such the Kodak eye should have recorded the UV
blacklight secondary affect as generating a near-blue color shift. As
to whatever polarised filter should have made the lunar surface record
as darker (not lighter), and by having a point source of such raw solar
illumination should have created razor sharp and of extremely high
contrast prone shadows. The 11~12% average reflective surface index
should not have offered hardly any appreciable secondary fill-light
other than loads of secondary UV photons of at least near-blue,
therefore the red, white and fluorescent blue flags should have been
absolutely glowing as prime examples of what such a pesky raw solar
influx environment had to offer. Only extreme filters could have
otherwise prevented such color skewed distortions.
http://www.maxmax.com/aUVPowderUltraVis.htm
This link offers a good consumer level of a photographic example of
color spectrum shift. Obviously the special fluorescing powders being
offered do exactly what they're supposed accomplish under the 365 nm
source illumination. However, even though this wasn't a scientifically
monochromatic 365 nm but more likely that of 365 +/- 40 nm (raw solar
like) illumination, you should still be taking notice of the
non-fluoresing nutural (probably formica) background, as to how that
material also shifted rather significantly as to becoming noticably
bluish, and do remember that the source light was primarily that of 365
nm which is entirely invisible to the human eye but somewhat within the
far spectrum of what an unfiltered Kodak eye would have recorded, along
with obviously recording the secondary or photon-recoil bluish shift. I
believe the raw/unfiltered solar influx offers plenty of 350~400 nm
energy/m2 to work with, so go figure why there wasn't the slightest
hint of anything outside of what artificial xenon illumination would
have provided.
Not that any damn fool is ever going to employ the piss poor likes of
Kodak film on behalf of future lunar expeditions (especially within a
fully solar illuminated and secondary X-ray environment whereas Fuji
film would fair so much better) but, if one absolutely had a perverted
death-wish as to venture upon the hot and nasty and TBI moon with
camera and film in hand, here's a couple of essential filters I'd take
along for the ride (actually there's no good reason why both of these
filters or that of a custom milticoated version should not have been
(in addition to whatever polarised filter) standard, as integral upon
each and every lens.
Hoya Sharp Cut Filter:
http://www.hoyaoptics.com/pdf/L42.pdf
L42 offers a clear 420 nm cut-off filter = 72% block or cut at 420 nm
and way better than 95% at 400 nm.
http://www.hoyaoptics.com/pdf/LA140.pdf
LA-140 (amber) provides a broad spectrum light balancing filter that
would have cut most of the near-UV by 95%, virtually all of the UV/a
and even better than 25% of the primary IR that should have been worth
the effort since such a dark basalt surface would have been radiating
roughly 25% of the solar near-IR influx as secondary IR as also being
that of a spectrum shifted contribution, of which the photo emulsion
dye should not have recorded all that much of whatever's over 750 nm
anyway, thus it certainly would not have modified upon anything
photographically to the Kodak eye.
At least upon Venus is where the atmospheric filtering represents a
rather significant factor in favoring the lower half of our visual
spectrum, as in somewhat of a band-pass that's centered towards 450 nm.
Nearly all of what's greater than 550 nm and otherwise towards the
red(650+nm), near-IR and of the primary IR spectrum is absorbed and/or
reflected by the clouds plus whatever suspended S8 and
acidic(H2SO4/H2O) haze of exactly what such a dense CO2 atmosphere of
92 bar effectively accommodates. Only a slight surface impact of what's
IR contributes to the surface environment heat, and that's not my
science but that of many that'll offer way more than sufficient numbers
and their interpretations that are entirely within the laws of
geological science and the known laws of physics.
Now perhaps that's what sucks, whereas even a certified village idiot
such as myself can manage to find loads of well documented photographic
examples, plus countless amateur, commercial and even Kodak official
examples of exactly what the UV/a, near-UV and secondary recoil-photons
should have offered as near-blue skewed illumination energy that would
have contributed as per having color-shifted a given unfiltered
exposure, and otherwise there's companies specializing in optical
filters that seem to have been providing their optical filters and
expertise because they know exactly what they're talking about, all
confirming upon the same photographic results having been obtained with
and without appropriate spectrum filters, as without filters would have
been the NASA/Apollo situation for the sort of raw lunar environment
hosting such a great amount of near-UV and UV/a raw solar energy. So,
instead of others proving my interpretation in error, I've been stalked
and bashed to a fairlywell by the mainstream status quo that seldom if
ever offers their examples or unapproved specifics, while intent upon
inflicting as much personal and physical harm as they think is possible
without tipping their dirty perpetrated cold-war hands.
Besides the solar illuminated environment that's tremendously hot and
nasty (as it should be whenever there's such an unobstructed 1.4 kw/m2
having nearly 89% of the visible spectrum absorbed), there's also the
secondary issues of hard-X-rays and of Gamma rays to contend with.
Atmosphere is what significantly cuts that impact down to a dull roar
(Earth having roughly 10 tonnes/m2 plus the Van Allen zone of death on
our side). However, residing upon the lunar nighttime side is certainly
damn cold but, at least it isn't exactly ever totally dark because of
the absolute vibrance of starlight is typically twice as bright as is
here upon Earth, and of whatever becomes earthshine is actually too
bright to even safely look directly at. However, as to the broader
spectrum sensitive Kodak eye or that of an unfiltered CCD, the
illumination of the Sirius star system and of many similar near-UV and
UV/a stars are 512~1024 times as intensified from whatever's observed
here upon Earth, whereas the IR spectrum remains somewhat of a constant
(slightly more intensified) but, upon the moon we must also include
whatever's being reflected as secondary IR that's nicely derived off
the raw solar illuminated lunar surface that's also representing an
absolutely terrific cosmic morgue of what a surface collected debris
field of meteorites and impact related shards that's entirely uneroded
and thus sharp as a tack, plus otherwise comprised of mostly dark lunar
basalt (not the sorts of 55+% reflective nature of those phony baloney
NASA/Apollo surface EVA obtained images, but as depicted by their
truthful sorts of images as NASA/Apollo obtained from orbit).
The following link to the ROSAT images were of various levels of moon
hard-X-rays having been greatly moderated by way of what our Van Allen
expanse (roughly 70,000 km worth) which tends to filter/moderate a fair
amount of such, and even so the ROSAT measurements clearly impress upon
the notion that the solar impacted moon is indeed chuck full of being
hard-X-ray nasty, and that's not by any small degree.
http://www.airynothing.com/high_energy_tutorial/sources/moon.html
"You may have noticed that there were a few dots of X-rays in the
Moon's dark half. Here, the moon is not reflecting the Sun's X-rays,
since it is not in the direct light of the Sun. Instead, charged
particles (like protons and electrons) in the Sun's solar wind can
reach the far side of the Moon, and they produce X-rays in much the
same way that cosmic rays produce gamma-rays on the Moon. Read the next
section of the gamma-ray Moon to learn about that."
"The Moon is brighter in gamma rays than the quiet Sun! In fact, the
most sensitive gamma-ray detector flown to date, EGRET aboard the CGRO
satellite, was not able to detect the quiet Sun. (The Sun goes into
periods of extreme activity, during which it is called an active Sun;
the Sun is said to be quiet when it is not experiencing such
activity.)"
I'm not your all-knowing radiation expert here but, I believe the likes
of secondary Gamma rays can be even nastier to our DNA than secondary
X-rays.
Here's a few other interesting spectrums of the moon, most of which are
indicating as expectedly somewhat serious reactions due to the fact
that our moon has not a worthy atmosphere as to attenuate and/or
spectrum filter squat.
http://coolcosmos.ipac.caltech.edu/cosmic_classroom/multiwavelength_astronomy/multiwavelength_museum/moon.html
http://www.airynothing.com/high_energy_tutorial/sources/moon.html
http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/2003/moon/
http://www.rednova.com/news/display/?id=12386
This next document is simply another example that's way over my
dyslexic limited three-brain-cell head. In other words, it says quite a
good deal without actually saying much of anything that you or I
comprehend (as intended), but it also manages to infer upon the aspects
of primary and secondary radiation as being somewhat unexpectedly nasty
as compared to the original NASA/Apollo data. Notice how this document
and of just about every other document that has the all-knowing NASA
stamp of approval, having been based upon hard scientific data of
specific numbers has consistantly avoided being all that specific as to
the hard-science of what such X-rays and Gamma rays actually amount to
in terms of the surface intensity/m2 or whatever. So, here comes the
unavoidably subjective interpretations from such data and images, that
which is what's driving my speculations as to the minimum of 100:1 and
as much as 1000:1 intensity differential existing between being raw
solar impacted as opposed to being situated within the sub-frozen
protective shade of lunar nighttime, and even of that much is excluding
upon the nastier solar flare and other horrific out-burst of solar
energies as continually recorded by the SOHO satellite, of which the
lack of any significant lunar atmosphere allows such solar flak to
impact with almost no measurable reduction in intensity and/or
velocity.
http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~maxim/papers/darkmoon_wargelin/darkmoon_wargelin.pdf
As to those intent upon watering the moon;
You can certainly transport fully contained units of water and/or ice
to the moon (though I don't have any clue as to how we could safely get
any of that physically onto the surface without involving an impact
phase of essentially vaporising everything to a fairlywell). Until
there's a substantially increased layer of an atmosphere (at the very
least 0.01 bar), the likes of free water or even ice openly surviving
is not going to stay put for long, perhaps minuts at best, although
less than a second is more likely.
Physically impacting the moon so as to vaporising roughly 1e6:1 of the
basalt into releasing it's 50% mass of O2 is certainly one viable
method of initiating the terraforming process of accomplishing the
terraforming of our moon. Besides such an atmosphere accommodating the
containment of water and/or ice, the need for greatly reducing the raw
solar and cosmic influx is absolutely imperative, however 0.01 bar or
roughly 100 kg/m2 simply isn't going to suffice for essentially naked
moonsuit EVAs, whereas a full tonne/m2 or 0.1 bar is going to start to
work on our behalf (still barely survivable without a moonsuit). If the
mixture of 50% O2 is augmented with much heavier elements than merely
N2 (actually N2 isn't much good for anything), then perhaps there's a
chance of short-term surviving without a moonsuit.
Going underground, such as into hollow rilles and/or into a substantial
geode pocket, as preferably having 100+ meters worth of solid basalt
between yourself and that of whatever's freely impacting the lunar
surface is what's going to cut the mustard, thereby saving your sorry
butt in more ways than you think. Of course, the interior of my CM/ISS
is offering far more than 10 tonnes/m2 of shielding (I believe that I
was thinking about accommodating 50 t/m2 as surrounding the 1e6 m3 ISS
abode) and, thank God that it's residing 64,000 km off the moon and
thus nowhere near being closely surrounded by millions of m2 of
clumping moon-dirt and even nastier dark scorching-hot basalt that's
radiating at everything from toasty IR to DNA lethal Gamma rays in
every which way but lose.
Of course, robotics can be configured for surviving such an
environment, and of having the likes of such interactive instruments
and of those nifty SAR image receiving apertures deployed upon the
surface of the moon is certainly offering one hell of an opportunity as
towards planetary and even deep space radar imaging on steroids (for
example 0.1 m/pixel of Titan at not 10% the cost of what we've seen via
probe, or 10 mm/pixel of Venus and Mars shouldn't be all that
unobtainable, and obviously impending NEOs could all become nailed down
once and for all).
Even the notion of deploying a fully interactive and if need be
adaptive optical secondary mirror for that of boosting conventional
optical/visual magnification is somewhat impressive, although I don't
honestly believe the open nature of any such raw optical lens or mirror
is going to survive for long within the fairly nasty gauntlet of
whatever the moon is continually gathering, as well as running itself
into at 30+ km/s. Once again, a robust atmosphere is what's needed, and
even if that's CO2/Rn is good enough for shielding such robotics, and
even as per somewhat moderating the thermal extremes (a key factor in
holding onto the likes of O2).
Of course I always appreciate some of the usual mainstream status quo
feedback, such as the offering of 'Horse manure' contributed by lord
whomever 'amontestru...@yahoo.com' is, that comes along with the same
usual crapolla of absolutely no hard-science, at least I uncovered
nothing of any such science study/report or otherwise even a link as to
anything related to the supposed hard-science of water/ice in space.
Exactly whom's kidding whom?.
I do believe the near absolute vacuum of space somewhat alters the
supposed 'triple point' factor of boiling and/or vaporising said water
(since there's actually no such wet/steam phase to water in space; it's
either a solid block of 'ice' or it's an extremely low density 'vapor'
of molecules with absolutely nothing surviving in between), as would
even be the case at the near vacuum of 0.01 bar as per existing upon
Mars, whereas upon Mars said water has to remain as sub-frozen and/or
physically covered by something fairly substantial, especially as the
Mars tropical day wears on, said water from ice would boil off into
becoming clouds of vapor and, Mars has damn few clouds that aren't
mostly of CO2 and dry-ice.
I've taken notice as to how no specifics as to the tonnage of those
sodium atoms being been excavated away from the moon, just the
subjective notion that it hardly amounted to anything. Well, I'm one of
those village idiots that would honestly I'd like to know the tonnage.
Don't suppose there's going to be any reply to that.
BTW; thanks to those providing this link:
http://www.sv.vt.edu/classes/MSE2094_NoteBook/96ClassProj/pics/941.jpg
of which this graphic also seems to specify that of transporting and/or
of existing within extremely low pressure, as such it seems there's no
freaking way of sustaining water in the raw without such returning to
vapor. Since there's no way of physically deploying even the likes of
your 'Horse manure' to the surface of the moon (without it impacting
and thereby vaporising), I'll have to ask as to what have you planned
and/or imagined as for the contained delivery of said water to the
lunar surface?
I totally agree that the extremely sub-frozen lunar nighttime is about
the only survivable environment for the likes of water as ice, as well
as survivable for whomever is within a suitable EVA moonsuit could
possibly survive for days before requiring the transplant of banked
bone marrow, plus a good amount of ductape for patching all of those
through-holes created by dust-bunnies and bits of sand arriving at
30+km/s, as otherwise God forbid a small pebble and your sorry butt is
all but history.
BTW No.2; it's easier said than accomplished as to shade whatever from
the sun unless you're situated within the lunar nighttime and/or via
earthshine, as per the surrounding lunar landscape that's absolutely
scorching hot by the raw solar spectrum day is also sharing off a great
deal of IR spectrum energy that's emitting such energy in every which
way imaginable, thus you'll need a great deal of physical shade that's
also shading the surrounding lunar terrain for nearly as far as the eye
can see. Of course, going underground is you're best alternative for a
whole lot more life saving reasons than being shaded.
I'm entirely for the honorable process and obtainable goal of
terraforming our moon, although perhaps initially on behalf of
robotics, then establishing the LSE-CM/ISS from which the final phase
of efficiently pulverising our moon with loads of it's own basalt. As
you've mentioned, and I'll reaffirm that it'll take a great deal of
atmospheric tonnage from vaporised basalt before man actually gets the
opportunity as to walk anywhere upon the moon, or even within the moon.
Although, for now above the moon is doable.
QUESTIONS
1) where the heck did all of the raw solar near-UV and UV/a energy go?
2) why wasn't there any hint of the landing site being the least bit
darkerker than of the outer surrounding areas?
3) where did all of the dark meteorites and their impact related shards
of the original meteorites and of the lunar related basalt shards go?
It seems that Mars (having a relatively significant atmospheric buffer
that defends the surface of Mars from many such impacts) offers
absolute loads of meteorites and strewn impact shards, in places 100
fold more than what's has been NASA/Apollo depicted upon the surface of
our moon, at least if we're having to go by those supposed surface
obtained images, whereas the extremely good quality images obtained
from orbit have always indicated the lunar surface as providing the
expected 11~12% reflected index that's specifically due to all of the
accumulated meteorites and related impact strewn shards, so much of
which having exposed the darkest of basalt that's associated with
specific impact sites as per offering as little as a 3%(coal like)
reflective index.
For some reason the unusually bright terrain that's devoid of such
meteorites and strewn shards has not otherwise ever been independently
substantiated, whereas the NASA/Apollo observationology upon their
subjectively interpreting those lunar EVA photos of what's depicting as
mostly 55+% reflective (clearly that's in direct relationship to those
80~85% reflective moonsuits and numerous other known items of
reflective index) is just been perfectly fine and dandy science,
whereas the more believable and better truth qualified 12-look per
pixel of 8 bit SAR images obtained of Venus apparently aren't worth
squat. Even though the physics and the hard-science of what could very
well be the remains of whatever a previous life that once upon a time
existed upon Venus is certainly within the realms of what's physically
doable, and even survivable as of today (unless you're another
certified village idiot moron), none the less it seems their
conditional laws of physics that entirely approves of all that's
NASA/Apollo can't be applied on behalf of anything related to Venus.
Even the instruments within SMART-1 are clearly those focused upon
obtaining only what can't possibly contradict upon anything that's been
previously established and subsequently published as the truth and
nothing but the truth by way of whatever satisfies NASA/Apollo and of
their cold-war ruse/sting of the century. Thus SMART-1 offers the
extremely poor resolution of CCD and radar images, even though
off-the-shelf technology has advanced enough as to accomplish sub-meter
per pixel worth of visual and certainly of radar imaging data, as well
as per obtaining whatever hard-x-ray readings and most certainly of
what the dark basalt of such a basalt dark lunar surface temperature
actually amounts to are systematically being moderated to death, and/or
entirely excluded (at least from public view).
There's lot more to say, although I'm not sure if GOOGLE has the
storage capacity.
DrPostman
accordance with The Prophecy scribed:
>George, Bunn E. Rabbit and so forth borgs of the all-knowing "Skull and
>Bones' realm,
>I don't believe 'habshi' and so many other friends of humanity are
>British, at least thank God I'm not, and thereby I'm not so easily
>snookered. Sorry about the following rant, as it's more of the same old
>stuff that still doesn't add up on behalf of NASA/Apollo.
Nothing you post every adds up to the slightest bit of sense.
Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)
>George, Bunn E. Rabbit and so forth borgs of the all-knowing "Skull and
>Bones' realm,
>I don't believe 'habshi' and so many other friends of humanity are
>British, at least thank God I'm not, and thereby I'm not so easily
>snookered. Sorry about the following rant,
Liar. If you were sorry about it, you wouldn't have posted it.
Brad Guth
For once you're absolutely right, I'm not the least bit sorry, nor am I
going to stop being sorry in my dyslexic best possible way of lose
cannon butt kicking at every possible opportunity.
Here's another ongoing topic with what I've posted in more than a
couple of places, that which only sucks because folks exactly like
yourself are either doing all you can to banish such topics, and/or
you're actively stalking and bashing under some other assumed borg ID
so that no one can honestly tell whomever's doing what.
With damn good reason everyone's going to the moon; and I believe
here's how others are going to accomplish that feat.
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/browse_frm/thread/138043d113cf0840/437511cf5e7ad2ec#437511cf5e7ad2ec
Fortunately, for the likes of China and India can really utilize that
sort of lift capacity for establishing their one and only LSE-CM/ISS.
In fact, I believe they can individually afford it to boot. Too bad
we've blown all of our budget and then some on snipe hunting down all
of those extremely stealth WMD, and otherwise upon not so very hard
looking for Osama bin Laden, but thankfully we did manage to get the
bastard (Saddam) that was responsible for keeping the global oil
profits artificially low.
It's also another good thing that Russia (our perpetrated cold-war
partner in crimes against humanity) no longer gives a flying hock puck
about American interest in space or about continuing the grand cold-war
ruse/sting of the century, especially if it's going to take away any
portion of their fair share in the LSE and related star-wars rights,
and/or negatively impact the future taking of He3 from the moon.
On the Venus-Express side of this argument, there's the need of
establishing the VL2 (TRACE-II) transponder and signal relay platform
on behalf of keeps us interfaced with whomever's still on the hot and
nasty deck. That alone should become worth trillions.
I can't but wonder whom's going to become the first trillionaire upon
Earth?
Since my PC is still being so thoughtfully infected by best of the best
NSA/MI6 spooks, as well as experiencing loads of online delays while
others tap into and/or block whatever I'm doing, in fact there's so
much of their MS accommodated back-door mainstream status quo incest
sperm as DNA poison on my hard-drive, so much so that if I exported my
PC contents into the internet I believe that mine alone could bring
down the entire global network within hours, and/or it'll somehow
infect the world with a worse form of mad-cow.
In spite of their ongoing and orchestrated efforts at sucking the very
life out of humanity, fortunately I do have file backups and if need be
I'll go into a local library or University in order to continue my
personal quest of overthrowing this snookered world with the truth and
nothing but the truth, that is unless you've got a better idea.
Actually, for getting myself somewhat back on topic of what our moon is
good for, it's looking as though a lunar solar farm that's using a
combination of sterling solar/thermal energy conversion, mylar-mirrors
incorporating PV conversion cells, and of course direct thermal
heat-exchange storage and subsequent redistribution for whatever
secondary process heating should contribute at the very least 750
watts/m2, and there's obviously no limits as to the coverage of which
solar farms can occupy, as there's not a tree-hugger in sight.
Certainly the near vacuum of the unterraformed moon and/or of otherwise
being nicely insulated by way of R-1024/m worth of basalt
micro-balloons or just via that magic clumping moon-dirt that's
selectively retro-reflective yet somehow non-reactive according to the
NASA/Apollo wizards like Jay Utah, in spite of all that's seemingly
going against our moon, it is going to yield a fair amount of lunar
surface area for obtaining solar energy that can be effectively stored
into massive gyros (especially by way of those absolutely massive
counter-rotating gyros situated interactively at nearly zero-G at ME-L1
zone that's along the tether that's securing the CM/ISS and of it's
tether dipole element that's streaming off towards Earth) and/or
otherwise into well insulated thermal-wells is certainly going to save
the day if you're planning upon staying the lunar night.
Of directly focused raw solar energy, as onto a process of
melting/boiling basalt should obtain nearly a full kw/m2. Thereby each
km X km robotic solar farm should contribute a MW of basalt pot melting
energy that's going to produce the most absolutely pure fibers that are
of the least amount contaminated with the likes of nasty O2 and N2,
thus the final GPa results should become impressive to say the least. I
suppose the very same can be said of processing silica, of which raw
silica should also coexist somewhere upon the moon.
Onward to the other somewhat important topic of 'Life on Venus'
As certified as a village idiot that I supposedly am, it seems that I
do recall in high school being informed as to how hot and nasty Venus
was, thus never a word as to any possible form of life to being had.
However, it seems I don't recall being informed that the laws of
physics do not apply to the likes of Venus, nor that only conditional
laws of physics apply to our moon.
Apparently there's been new and improved laws of physics that actually
involves energy-in being equal to energy-out, and that of the laws of
thermal dynamics wherever there's a compression of a given gas always
involves a transition of energy being converted into heat (at least up
until the point of said gas becoming a sufficient solid), or vise
versa, and of subsequently removing that pressure from a given volume
of compressed gas accomplishes the exact opposit, and I suppose that's
still why refrigeration works as well as air conditioning via any form
of gas that's compressible, heat-exchangeable and thus available for
extracting heat so that the pesky physics rule of energy-in =
energy-out.
I believe such a compressible gas can be that of freon, common air,
hydrogen and lo and behold CO2 seems to have represented another
perfectly sound element (in fact better than most freons) for that of
energy storage and thereby on-demand heat transfer. Oddly, in high
school we were never informed of such things, so perhaps the laws of
thermaldynamics simply didn't exist way back then, as that would make
perfect sense as to why we weren't being informed of what's possible
whenever you have an unlimited resource of energy and absolute loads of
CO2.
Speaking about available energy;
Mars absolutely sucks, Earth is some what so-so, our moon is absolutely
clumping-pay-dirt overloaded with energy and, it seems the likes of
Venus is entirely off the freaking scale.
Or perhaps this too is yet another one of those new law of physics,
that of kinetics as to what any moving volume of gas and that of what
must transpire as that volume and mass equalizes it's way through a
radial power turbine, or through just about any other form of turbine,
piston of rotor having a physical differential of displacement. As lo
and behold, on Venus there's 65+kg/m3 that's everywhere you'd care to
look, and hot-damn if there's not 4+bar/km and otherwise 10°K/km just
off the deck, whereas a 10 km differential represents nearly 40 bar and
100°K (especially potent if we're starting off somewhat below the
average or somewhat sealevel elevation, or otherwise well into their
nifty season of nighttime where instead of 92 bar we've got better than
97 bar to start off with).
Thus the real honest to God question with regard to Venus hasn't
actually been about where said energy shall come from, but as to how
many mega, giga or tera watts would you like?
So, what I'd be interested to know is where can I locate the sorts of
minion talents and resources in order to expand research upon the
possibilities of how some other forms of life (including whatever
imported ETs) could have been managing quite nicely right under our
pathetically dumbfounded noses?
Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)
wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
>Dear incest cloned borg 'Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)',
>For once you're absolutely right, I'm not the least bit sorry,
So, you are a liar, just like I said. Case dismissed.
Gregory L. Hansen
Bunn E. Rabbit <In English not Espanol> wrote:
>
>Well, it looks like you Humans went to the Moon after all. But we
>Animals were the first in space!
>
>--
>Bunn E. Rabbit
>
>
>http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/050304_moon_snoop.html
>
><lots of links from the page>
>
>End of Conspiracy Theories? Spacecraft Snoops Apollo Moon Sites
>
>By Leonard David
>Senior Space Writer
>posted: 04 March 2005
>12:26 pm ET
I just read in the January Physics Today (I'm a little behind) about an
intensification of interest in the Moon among various countries throughout
the world. The US, ESA, Indians, Chinese, Japanese, and maybe I've left
someone out, are planning a series of Moon missions. And the US and
Chinese are talking about men on the Moon again.
That makes me wonder how the conspiracy theories will evolve if men go the
the Moon again.
And I suppose if we send someone to Mars (astronauts preserved for Mars by
scuttling those dangerous Hubble repair missions...) there'll be Mars
conspiracy theories, too.
--
"What are the possibilities of small but movable machines? They may or
may not be useful, but they surely would be fun to make."
-- Richard P. Feynman, 1959
jmfb...@aol.com
glha...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory L. Hansen) wrote:
<snip>
>I just read in the January Physics Today (I'm a little behind) about an
>intensification of interest in the Moon among various countries throughout
>the world. The US, ESA, Indians, Chinese, Japanese, and maybe I've left
>someone out, are planning a series of Moon missions. And the US and
>Chinese are talking about men on the Moon again.
>
>That makes me wonder how the conspiracy theories will evolve if men go the
>the Moon again.
>
>And I suppose if we send someone to Mars (astronauts preserved for Mars by
>scuttling those dangerous Hubble repair missions...) there'll be Mars
>conspiracy theories, too.
Those conspiracies will mock the claim that there were humnas
on Earth.
/BAH
Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.
Brad Guth
happen we'll need to accomplish a well certified and fully 4D
fly-by-rocket capable lander, and even more so capably for the likes of
accomplishing our moon as having zilch worth of an atmosphere as to
buffer any sort of landing craft.
Surface robotics that can become fully interactive with their
terrestrial operators is about as good as it'll get, and even for that
task we simply have nothing on the books for getting so much a kilogram
safely onto the lunar deck.
Not Russian and certainly not via our LLPOF NASA.
Basic township that's situated upon Venus:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
Basic LSE (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Other available topics by; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)
wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
>Before we manage a manned mission to Mars
I nominate you and Dick Hoagland to go, and the sooner, the better.
Carl Wilting
other foot. The issue is what more nonsense can your sort cook up to
continue fooling yourselves as it becomes increasingly obvious that
you can't fly to the Moon. You haven't returned to the Moon for 35
years and speculate, what excuses will they cook up when there are
weekly Moon trips? You obviously can't tell the difference between
fantasy and reality. Your Apollo program is fantasy. Reality is all
around you, you ain't flying to no Moon, nor do you have any craft
capable of going anywhere close to the Moon, and you hardly have a
craft on the drawing board. It's been 35 years, when will you wake up?
dlzc1 D:cox T:net@nospam.com N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
news:13198605.0503...@posting.google.com...
> Unfortunately you fail to realize that the shoe is
> entirely on the other foot.
Yes. They have shaken you so bad, you didn't even bother to
direct your response TO anyone, nor even quote text.
> The issue is what more nonsense can your
> sort cook up to continue fooling yourselves as
> it becomes increasingly obvious that you can't
> fly to the Moon.
"I just flew back from the Moon, and boy are my arms tired!"
> You haven't returned to the Moon for 35
> years and speculate, what excuses will they
> cook up when there are weekly Moon trips?
Who is sleeping with your wife? Those kinds of excuses?
> You obviously can't tell the difference
> between fantasy and reality.
Ze plane! Ze plane!
> Your Apollo program is fantasy.
Your non-responsiveness is yours.
> Reality is all
> around you, you ain't flying to no Moon, nor
> do you have any craft capable of going
> anywhere close to the Moon, and you hardly
> have a craft on the drawing board.
Got all kinds. It is BS artists that keep people from ponying up
the bucks to go back.
> It's been
> 35 years, when will you wake up?
I've asked a couple of cranks if they'd accept an offer to go see
for themselves. Yet they always refuse. So "facts" are not in
the repertoire.
It has been months. When will you open your eyes?
David A. Smith
DrPostman
accordance with The Prophecy scribed:
>Unfortunately you fail to realize that the shoe is entirely on the
So, how did they fake all those moon rocks again?
Bob Casanova
sci.skeptic, posted by loot...@hotmail.com (Carl Wilting):
Would have been a good troll, except that no one is actually
that stupid. Try again?
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
Brad Guth
'Skull and Bones' cult members',
It seems that it's LLPOF and the beat of their incest cloning peckers
goes on and on for the likes of such incest cloned borgs having to
survive without an actual brain of their own (other than whatever's
between their butt-cheaks).
Not to go on and on like 'tj Frazir' as to mentioning whatever's
physically in-frame related that absolutely sucks, but you can't
possibly cover your stinking perpetrated cold-war butt-cracks upon the
near-UV and UV/a lack of photographic proof-positive that your
otherwise radiation and micro-meteorite proof astronauts walked upon
the dark-basalt and thereby roasting hot moon. Instead you've been
nothing but the usual incest of LLPOF from the very get-go.
Obviously, since your pagan Lord and master GOOGLE has taken over the
likes of DEJA and whatever else suites their information superhighway
that only supports NASA's 'uplink.space.com' forum that sucks, all of
which leads directly into the perpetrated cold-war bellies of
NSA/DoD/CIA and MI6 agendas so that only of what's moderated and
scripted as certified disinformation remains, and whereas such Lord
GOOGLE (as clearly stated within their charter) owns the rights as to
display and promote whatever and within whichever format suits their
DNA cloning pecker's best interest, therefore it's not at all
surprising that individual computers and/or of their user IDs are being
thoughtfully treated as per receiving individually customised pages
when and wherever need be (at least I'm fairly certain that's exactly
what a certain Pope that was going after Cathars and that of Hitler
having a fetish for tormenting Jews beyond the point of no return would
have wanted).
Thus we have the GOOGLE WYSINWYG V-Chip swinging into hyper-action if
you're on their anti-mainstream crapolla list, and/or it's possibly
even WYSINWYG V-Chip automatic 'nondisclosure' filtering that's
enforced entirely on your sorry behalf, that is if they're actually
doing you a big ass favor by way of excluding whatever evidence that
might otherwise get you and anyone associated summarily terminated in
more ways than just unplugged.
It's actually damn nice of the Usenet God to be doing such warm and
fuzzy favors on your sorry dumbfounded behalf, and it's even nicer if
that Usenet God somehow managed to accommodate others in their
stealth/WMD mode as having special benefits and privileges in spite of
their only intent being that of their well documented efforts at
author/topic stalking and summarily bashing of those the least bit
outside of their mainstream status quo box. Of course, this is another
one of those Texas style 'high standards and accountability' boxes that
was responsible in part for supporting their very own Skull and Bones
'so what's the difference' policy that brought us into 9/11 and,
perhaps soon to follow will be their necessary WW-III amendment that's
to become 'up yours', which shouldn't be all that far behind (if you
know what I mean).
It's always nice to realize when there are cloned do-gooders like these
enforcing the GOOGLE V-Chip applied technology, as wizards making the
very best possible usage of those spendy NSA/MI6 parallel processing
computers.
DrPostman
accordance with The Prophecy scribed:
>Dear incest cloned borgs, moles and to all other cloak and dagger
>'Skull and Bones' cult members',
>It seems that it's LLPOF and the beat of their incest cloning peckers
>goes on and on for the likes of such incest cloned borgs having to
>survive without an actual brain of their own (other than whatever's
>between their butt-cheaks).
>
Do you ever make any sense, or are you always this delusional?
Bob Casanova
sci.skeptic, posted by DrPostman <Lo...@mysig.foremail>:
>On 14 Mar 2005 16:45:50 -0800, "Brad Guth" <ieisbr...@yahoo.com> in
>accordance with The Prophecy scribed:
>>Dear incest cloned borgs, moles and to all other cloak and dagger
>>'Skull and Bones' cult members',
>>It seems that it's LLPOF and the beat of their incest cloning peckers
>>goes on and on for the likes of such incest cloned borgs having to
>>survive without an actual brain of their own (other than whatever's
>>between their butt-cheaks).
>Do you ever make any sense, or are you always this delusional?
By observation, that would be "No" and "Apparently"...
Brad Guth
friends of humanity,
Stop wasting your talents and whatever resources on the likes of
Lord/wizard 'bz', as for this incest cloned borg has disclosed upon a
hidden agenda and ulterior motives that'll eat you alive.
No matter's what you've started or merely contributed, the likes of
'bz' will only string you along so far, that is before they start in
with their collectived approved and provided VX gas that's intended to
put a stop and/or at least derail whatever your topic or intent of any
given topic. Essentially 'bz' sucks whenever it gets down to actually
contributing anything that's even coming close to his 'nondisclosure'
policy that actually lethal with respect to his sorry butt should
something slip out
As you already know better than most, some folks (actually a great
many) have a truly sickening and perverted form of humor, as they'll
suggest and/or specify upon what's actually public knowledge as from
those that already know all there is to know, as though their
need-to-know methods of helping a given topic is by way of sharing so
damn little that's usually focused upon defending whatever's their
position, and if need be by way of 'evidence exclusions', rather than
offering a gram towards exployting upon the possiblies of whatever
others are having to offer, and this tactic especially within the
highly subjective realm of observationology.
Keeping in mind that folks like 'bz' seldom originate a topic but
seemingly arrive like ETs coming out of nowhere with their all-knowing
vaporware, as focused onto the given topic scene after the fact and
then seldom if ever contribute squat that doesn't fully comply with
their NASA/Apollo approved bible of 'so what's the difference' and of
their supposed 'high standards and accountability' that subsequently
needs that nifty amendment of 'up yours', especially applied whevever
there's without a stitch of hard-science that you're bring thought of
as having WMD. Sorry folks, but that sucks ripe and big time,
especially when there are so many dead and otherwise dying bodies of
friends and perfectly innocent folks surrounding the one and only
smoking gun as well as their bloody feet.
Unlike what Lord/wizard 'bz' has suggested, I'm certainly not the one
that's trying to change the laws of physics to suit anything, just
trying to apply them without their usual social/political conditions
that so happen to suit their mainstream status quo of whatever our
perpetrated cold-war(s) and of so much other collateral damage and
strife that so happens to include the ongoing carnage of the innocent,
as such having to offer their side of a given argument merrit that's
clearly against humanity is absolutely 'Hitler' sick, though apparently
of which the likes of 'bz' sees absolutely nothing whatsoever improper
nor the least bit worth a gram of remorse about our past, present nor
future that's become beyond sucking for those that are either dead or
about to die for no apparent good reason. As it's just another 'bz'
status quo of business as usual all the way into the intellectual
space-toilet of life as seen fit by those directly and indirectly (like
'bz') having remained as resident whatever administration supportive
and thereby more than willing to continue the great ruse/sting of the
century without a stitch of hard-science, much less remorse.
That puts the likes of 'bz' way past the realm of just being immorally
sick to the soul.
Now it seems the likes of Lord/wizard 'bz' is (without ever once
asking) proclaiming without ever putting up or even so much as
suggesting squat of their own image interpretation as proof on their
side of the argument, that I don't have a freaking clue as to
interpreting a hard-science worth upon whatever an 8-bit and 12
looks/pixel radar image that was obtained at roughly 43° as for
accomplishing a damn near 3D look-see at what's most likely artificial
and/or even as to contemplating as to whatever's perfectly natural but
extremely interesting about Venus. This two-faced nutbag discredits
whatever and whomever suits a perverted criteria of snookering thy
humanity. Well damn, the only village idiot 'fool on the hill' that's
being snookered this time around isn't me, and I certainly hope 'tj
Frazir' is not falling for any of his certified crapolla either.
As far as I can tell, the only actual flames coming out of this forum
that sucks are those being fueled along by the 'bz' intellectual
flatulence that'll accomplish whatever it takes to disqualify every
other honest soul upon Earth, and if that's something unacceptable for
myself to be sharing and stating, then so be it. This would not be the
first bridge that I've burned and, it probably will not be my last.
-
This closing part is being contributed for the ongoing benefit of
others (news media and general topic newcomers), and not that it
matters to those without a stitch of remorse outside of whatever
appeases their NASA/Apollo cold-war or bust God, as in spite of their
flak having the intent as to kill-off my PC if not myself, within my
spare dyslexic time I've slightly polished on my external 'gv-topics'
page, and I'm working on other pages as soon to be improved. As I learn
more that can be independently supported by sufficient hard-science,
I'll share that knowledge, which will likely include revisions and
retractions of what I've offered thus far. Unfortunately, since I'm
unfunded and on the usual 'need-to-know' bases with regard to anything
that might rock a mainstream boat, this process is going to take many
thousands of my lose cannon shots before the truth and nothing but the
truth is going be told. And I bet you thought the likes of big and
fully loaded aircraft smashing into fully occupied tall buildings was
as bad as it gets; think again.
Art Deco
> This is actual [108-line guthscreed snipped]
Translation: "Notice me! Notice me! PLEEEEEEEZE Notice ME!"
--
Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler
"a photon can travel faster than light when it is not excited"
"Ions are attracted to IRON"
"The dense ions in the ionosphere are simulating a
much higher gravitational pull to earth."
-- Alexa Cameron demonstrates her 200+ alien-implanted IQ
"I really don't care too much for humans"
"Just think of all the fun watching them from above while they
dance their kooker-step on their burning planet ..."
-- Chuckweasel Bohnehead's delusional non-human self-image
Brad Guth
I thought I'd posted this one earlier. However, please take further
notice how I didn't specifically call you an incest cloned borg this
time around.
OK, so I'll take it that yourself and even the utmost incest cloned
borgs have finally noticed that I'm not going away any time soon.
Of course I could just limit my contributions to that of quoting
others, exactly as some of your collective can't hardly accomplish all
that much other than posting another quote, either that or you're being
restricted as to offering whatever's the next MI6/NSA approved script.
BTW; if you "really don't care too much for humans", how about taking a
reasonably considerate look-see at what my exoskeletal Cathars had
accomplished on Venus, at least I don't believe they're Islamic nor
Muslim, just nice Cathars trying to keep some reasonable distance
between themselves and our blood-thirsty Pope.
Too bad that I'm not being funded as to focus my talents and those of
other minions that I'd put to work on the Venus discovery of what still
looks way more artificial than not.
-
This closing rant is contributed for the ongoing benefit of others
(news media and general topic newcomers), and not that any of this
topic matters to those without a stitch of remorse outside of whatever
appeases their pagan NASA/Apollo cold-war or bust God(s), as in spite
of their spermware flak having the intent as to kill-off my PC if not
myself, within my spare dyslexic time I've slightly polished on my
external 'gv-topics.htm' page, and I'm remaining intent upon working on
other pages as soon to be improved. As I learn more that can be
independently supported by sufficient hard-science and subjectively
honest interpretations of whatever I have to work with, as best I'll
share that knowledge, which will likely include revisions and
retractions upon any number of what I've offered thus far.
Unfortunately, since I'm unfunded and on the usual 'need-to-know' bases
with regard to anything that might rock a mainstream boat, and that my
PC is being continually attacked with NSA/MI6 spermware, it seems this
process is going to take many thousands of my lose cannon shots before
the truth and nothing but the truth is ever going be told. And I bet
Brad Guth
collective of incest cloned borgs than within the sic.physics version
of 'Bad News for 'Moon Hoax' Buffs', so I might as well contribute what
I'd offered to 'tj Frazir'. At least that way you will not has to go as
far for your usual topic/author stalking an bashing.
tj Frazir,
As I've said before and I'll keep saying it so that you'll eventually
understand. These are not such nice folks, even the most recent influx
of what incest cloned borg 'bz' has to offer is 100% MI6/NSA
disinformation-R-us on steroids, and that's been arriving without a
stitch of remorse.
Remember that 'in war there are no stinking rules', whereas everything
and anything goes.
The fact that you and I know as a matter of hard-science fact as to a
greater portion of the cold-war truth than most, this gives us the game
advantage of returning the topic/author stalking and bashing favor with
love, whereas in your case it may be in the form of a return 'With Love
from Russia'. Either way we need to focus not so much upon these
perverted bastards that have zilch worth of hard-science on their side
of the argument because, there really isn't an honest argument here to
behold, unless LLPOF is the ultimate task and goal of snookering thy
humanity, as in which case we're seriously out-classed, as in no
contest whatsoever as to what these incest cloned Hitlers have stashed
within their underpants and are capable of delivering.
The matter of fact that NASA/Apollo still have nothing interactive
sharing squat with regard to lunar hard-science or even Earth-science
as from the terrific robotic instrumentation though somewhat coal like
testy lunar environment is further proof-positive that it's a wide open
market for the likes of Russia, China or even India to accomplish what
we Americans can only lie our stinking perpetrated cold-war butts off
about, as supposedly accomplishing what's been published to death as to
the Apollo era of exploring the surface of our moon (too bad it's not
true).
Instead of busting our honest chops at the continued risk of getting
our PCs chuck full of their incest spermware, we'll need to create
those new and improved topics that shouldn't suck until these same
topic/author stalking borgs start showing up, of which I'm fairly
certain they will.
So 'tj Frazir', since I have lots of honest questions that I'm thinking
you or someone you might know of can answer better than most, instead
of our wasting valuable time and whatever limited resources we have
that's in this limited topic context merely confusing the troops as
well as whatever investigative news media types to no end, let us start
off with an entirely new topic, or perhaps any number of topics as I've
suggested below, and if need be between the two of us and a few others
we can summarily swamp these intellectually as well as scientifically
sucking forums with the likes of such other topics that don't suck;
The Moon and What's it Good For
Other ET Life That Actually Doesn't Suck
Dropa/Dzopa Arrive Upon Earth (big mistake)
Life upon the MOON isn't all it's cracked up to be
Life on Venus is getting safer than being Islamic
Terraforming the Moon for GW Bush
Impacting the Moon with Scum Sucking Humans
6.5e6 Humans That Should Live On The Moon
Chinese LSE-CM/ISS Lords Over Earth
Russia Blows China Off LSE-CM/ISS
If none of those fit the task, I'll continually revise and update my
'gv-topics.htm' page.
-
This closing rant is being contributed for the ongoing benefit of
others (news media and general topic newcomers), and not that any of
this matters to those without a stitch of remorse outside of whatever
appeases their pagan NASA/Apollo cold-war or bust God(s), as in spite
of their flak having the intent as to kill-off my PC if not myself,
within my spare dyslexic time I've slightly polished on my external
'gv-topics.htm' page, and I'm remaining intent upon working on other
pages as soon to be improved. As I learn more that can be independently
supported by sufficient hard-science and subjectively honest
interpretations of whatever I have to work with, as best I'll share
that knowledge, which will likely include revisions and retractions
upon any number of what I've offered thus far. Unfortunately, since I'm
unfunded and on the usual 'need-to-know' bases with regard to anything
that might rock a mainstream boat, and that my PC is being continually
attacked with NSA/MI6 spermware, it seems this process is going to take
many thousands of my lose cannon shots before the truth and nothing but
the truth is ever going be told. And I bet you thought the likes of big
++The Commentator++
>
> That's it? 'solar wind', you've got to be kidding.
>
> That's the very best that an incest cloned borg can manage?
>
> Shouldn't you actually be flushing another space-toilet somewhere?
>
>
If the toilet is flushed enough, will you go down the drain and
into the sewer where you belong?
++The Commentator++
>
You are a travesty engine, aren't you?
++The Commentator++
>
>
>
> However, the supposed very best raw 30 meter/pixel capability of the
> SMART-1 imaging absolutely sucks almost worse off than a cell-phone
> camera using those 2.2 micron/pixel CCDs.
>
>
Care to name a cell phone camera with a resolution of 2.2
microns/pixel?
Didn't think so.
Thanks for playing, bring on the next k00k spouting
dingbattery...
++The Commentator++
>
>
Jesus Tapdancing Keerist, boy, if you were any dumber we would
have to water you twice a week.
++The Commentator++
>
> Hi borg DW,
> Of course that elevator floor thing is a wee bit of a problem,
> especially when those folks that are so snookered are walking the
> 64,000 km worth of steps when they could be taking the ride of their
> lives.
>
> You do realize that other than my LSE-CM/ISS there's no viable
> fly-by-rocket alternative on the books for safely getting so much as a
> robotic instrument onto the moon, or do you know something our NASA and
> their USSR/Russian spooks don't?
>
>
I know more than you do, as does anyone who has mastered high
school physics.
Check and mate, BadGut.
++The Commentator++
>
Cleanup on aisle 6, k00kdrool meltdown, BadGut variety so wear
your hazmat suits.
++The Commentator++
>
What colors are the skies on your home world, BadGut?
mme...@cars3.uchicago.edu
That's called pampering. A modest application of a weed killer every
other month should be more than enough.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
me...@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
++The Commentator++
>
>
Human isn't your native language, is it?
Serious suggestion: Seek professional help. Electroshock may
work.
Art Deco
> Dear 'Art Deco',
> I thought I'd posted this one earlier. However, please take further
> notice how I didn't specifically call you an incest cloned borg this
> time around.
Do you really think I care what silly labels you toss out, Guthball?
>
> OK, so I'll take it that yourself and even the utmost incest cloned
> borgs have finally noticed that I'm not going away any time soon.
Good, your pseudoscientific blatherings are entertaining.
>
> Of course I could just limit my contributions to that of quoting
> others, exactly as some of your collective can't hardly accomplish all
> that much other than posting another quote, either that or you're being
> restricted as to offering whatever's the next MI6/NSA approved script.
Delusional much?
>
> BTW; if you "really don't care too much for humans", how about taking a
You are an idiot, Guthball. Learn what a sig is, and learn what
quotation marks indicate.
> reasonably considerate look-see at what my exoskeletal Cathars had
> accomplished on Venus, at least I don't believe they're Islamic nor
> Muslim, just nice Cathars trying to keep some reasonable distance
> between themselves and our blood-thirsty Pope.
What's this "our" business, kook?
>
> Too bad that I'm not being funded as to focus my talents and those of
> other minions that I'd put to work on the Venus discovery of what still
> looks way more artificial than not.
Keep up your kookdance.
Art Deco
Guthball is quite the work of art, yes?
George
"++The Commentator++" <nos...@no.trolls> wrote in message
news:424283FD...@no.trolls...
He appears to be in a persistent vegetative state. I suggest that someone pull
his feeding tube, and put him out of our misery.
Carl Wilting
ever invented! Love to see those idiots dieing! That's the real World.
You need your childish fantasies because your reality is so pathetic.
You do it to yourselves from pure idiocy. How about being shipped off
to Iraq, once again the real World, once again you do it to
yourselves. Why should I bother trying to educate you? You have proven
over and over that you are way to stupid to ever learn, I can just sit
back and watch you morons die from excess stupidity. If they can make
you believe in the Man on the Moon, they can make you believe in
anything. I do enjoy watching you all die, if you weren't such
complete assholes it wouldn't be so funny!
George
Wow. What an amazing insight into the mind of a faving lunatic.
Congratulations. Oh, and your tin foil hat is on backwards. Check this link
out, and do read the instructions of the proper way to wear it:
Brad Guth
sorry folks but, it seems as though our MI6/NSA and NASA/Apollo ruse
still sucks.
Snookered fools or otherwise newly assimilated borgs like 'bz' keep
using those nifty conditional laws of physics like so much
toilet-paper, having stipulating from their MI6/NSA sources as to the
notion that space travel within essentially Earth orbit except while
being 24/7 illuminated is extremely cold, and even apparently colder
yet with three sweating astronauts crapping in their pants all the way
to/from the moon. Thus unlike ISS, apparently our NASA/Apollo freaks
had to utilize cabin heat all the way, and now that's supposedly
another reason why the surface of the moon was so survivable while in
the 1.4 kw/m2 blazing raw sun.
Then the likes of borg collective member 'bz' is suggesting again as
founded entirely upon his or her MI6/NSA sourced and thereby moderated
information as to seismic instruments that managed to get deployed and
gave us a signal which otherwise could have been pre-recorded at any
local RadioShack and feed to the transponder(s) drifting in the ME-L1
zone for far less than 0.1% of actually getting anything onto or rather
into the moon. Although, I'll have to admit that an impact tolerant
probe similar to my 'Javelin Probe' or those of the LUNAR-A mission
that for more than a decade have never been allowed to transpire is
about all that could have survived, thus conceivably the technology may
have existed for accomplishing that much (though why bother when a
transponder accommodated signal is whatever fits the mold at not 0.1%
the cost).
Even though this level of incest cloned borgism has been pretending at
having an 'open mind', in fact there's not a shred of independent
hard-science on behalf of the 'we walked on the moon' analogy, only the
entirely subjective science as obtained from orbit which isn't half
bad, just not conclusive of squat as to anything surface obtained that
was performed by that of an EVA which simply could not have transpired
unless the laws of physics works differently upon the moon than upon
Earth, such as for those unfiltered Kodak laws of physics and, not to
mention the near coal like dust and dark basalt environment that was
cooking and otherwise badly reacting by creating all of the nasty
secondary/recoil photons as it should have with the raw solar influx.
"bz; Data from remote sensors is consistent with data that I can go
into the laboratory and collect. Both are consistent with the 'laws of
physics'. So, I need a very strong reason to doubt them. Do you have
such a reason?
Now this collective member besides trashing down upon the likes of
Kodak and everything that's photographic via evidence exclusions
because there's absolutely nothing that'll fix that little screw-up, is
implying that our MI6/NSA collective had to have been to the surface of
the moon because in this case they weren't quite smart enough to match
their disinformation-R-us up with whatever would have been easily
compared by others, as for being very much unlike any other form of
their controlled disinformation, as well as the usage of 'evidence
exclusions' (common place within the likes of MI6/NSA CIA/FBI, DoD and
all other branches of government) whenever and wherever that benefits
and/or reinfoeces their desired ruse/sting outcome, including job and
retirement benefit securtity. All of the sudden we're supposed to
believe in the absolute height of our perpetrated cold-war(s) that the
one and only government agency that's actually sharing the truth and
nothing but the truth is NASA. I guess that means that I'm more than
lightly suggesting that these folks all utilized the very same infected
toilet-seat, yet some how that veriliant form of AIDS and Mad-Cow
desese never spread from butt to butt, of which I could appreciated if
those toilet seats werer being utilized purely by their hybrid incest
cloned borgs having biological immunity to such.
"bz; So, you believe the NASA information about Saturns moons but not
the information about our moon? What makes you think Saturn has moons?
Have YOU been there? Do you have independent proof?
This is about A-typical of what sort of damage-control I've had to deal
with all along, whereas instead of obtaining a put-up or shut-up worth
of their proof-positive in support of the NASA/Apollo fiasco, all that
I get are more of their usual and predictable incest worth of
questioning that's specifically suggesting that I'm the only one that's
outside the mainstream box because I wont believe and accept unverified
science as hard-science, and worse being is that I don't accept their
social/political conditional physics with same lack of remorse as per
going after those WMD. All of the sudden the cold-war motives, means
and opportunity are having absolutely noting to do with apparently our
one and only honest government agency that still can't demonstrate so
much as a prototype fly-by-rocket lander.
BTW; if in fact there's a bit more of a heavy although somewhat thin
atmosphere upon the surface of the moon, and for certain there are moon
rocks that are darker than 12% upon average (possibly as offering as
little as 3% albedo) that are somewhat like that tip of an iceberg
that's indicating as to what's mostly insulated by the surround of
non-clumping (vacuum packed) moon dust and dirt, of the sorts of moon
basalt rocks that are in fact going to get hotter than 123°C.
Insulating anything having a primary influx of 1.4 kw plus other
reflected and radiated energy from as derived from the surrounding IR
reflective terrain and as efficiently radiated from other hot-rocks is
going to more than fry an egg on the spot, and eventually that entire
rock (especially if the majority of said rock is so well insulated
underground) is likely going to exceed something above the 123°C mark
unless there's a layer of reflective aluminum foil and/or a conduction
mode of thermal transfer that's getting involved.
"bz; Do you think the Russians would have kept their mouths shut if
they had evidence that the landings were fakes? The US did not have the
only radiotelescopes in the world. Signals from the lunar orbital
command center were even picked up by amateur radio operators.
What can I say; if we're perpetrating along with our half of the
cold-war, whereas so was the USSR. In fact, the USSR/Russia offers but
one official near-surface image of the moon before their lander rather
embarrassingly summarily sank into that deep and near-black moon-dust
and, as such it was hardly landing upon the likes of any clumping
moon-dirt, as otherwise at 1/6th G their probe shouldn't have sank out
of sight.
-
This closing rant is contributed for the ongoing benefit of others
(news media and general topic newcomers), and not that any of this
topic matters to those without a stitch of remorse outside of whatever
appeases their MI6/NSA pagan NASA/Apollo cold-war or bust God(s), as in
spite of their spermware flak having the intent as to kill-off my PC if
not myself, within my spare dyslexic time I've slightly polished on my
external 'gv-topics.htm' page, and I'm remaining intent upon working on
other pages as soon to be improved. As I learn more that can be
independently supported by the regular laws of physics, by sufficient
hard-science and subjectively honest interpretations of whatever I have
been given to work with, as best I'll share that knowledge, which will
likely include revisions and retractions upon any number of what I've
offered thus far. Unfortunately, since I'm unfunded and on the usual
'need-to-know' bases with regard to anything that might rock a
mainstream boat, and that my PC is being continually attacked with
NSA/MI6 spermware, it seems this process is going to take many
thousands of my lose cannon shots before the truth and nothing but the
truth is ever going be told. And I bet you thought the likes of big and
Mark Martin
[1]- The lunar surface rocks & soil are thermally passive, and will not
attain a temperature higher than that of their source of heat, solar
radiation. If spacesuits can withstand the incident heat of the Sun at
low Earth orbit, then they could do it on the lunar surface.
[2]- The early Soviet lunar probe squeesed off one photo, then failed.
There is NO data which indicates that it sank into lunar quicksand. All
that's known is that it stopped sending back data. This has happened a
large number of times with other spacecraft. Do you suppose that the
Mars probe which ceased communication enroute did so because it sank
into an interplanetary cloud of Moon soil?
[3]- As I pointed out to Frazir, the now non-extant Soviet Union
purportedly landed more than one robotic Lunokhod on the Moon, each
equipped with a laser reflector. Scientific literature is there for the
asking at many universities with data aquired from laser pulses at both
U.S. & Soviet reflectors. Even you cannot be so dense as to believe
that every scientist to have reported data from these reflectors is
really just in on the Apollo scam. Therefore you have to agree that
there are reflectors on the Moon, and thus there have been probes which
haven't sunk into the dirt, never to be heard from again. Data are
available directly from the surface above & beyond that of a single
grainy snapshot taken over 45 years ago.
[4]- There's a hell of a difference between being a NASA stooge and
actually figuring out for ourselves what is & isn't worth believing. I
for one have never been instructed to report to a barb wire encased
NASA re-education camp.
-Mark Martin
Gregory L. Hansen
Brad Guth <ieisbr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Dear incest cloned borgs of this all-knowing forum that sucks,
>sorry folks but, it seems as though our MI6/NSA and NASA/Apollo ruse
>still sucks.
>
>Snookered fools or otherwise newly assimilated borgs like 'bz' keep
Ahh... truly the voice of reason.
--
"A nice adaptation of conditions will make almost any hypothesis agree
with the phenomena. This will please the imagination but does not advance
our knowledge." -- J. Black, 1803.
Brad Guth
Dear GOOGLE V-Chip spooks of MI6/NSA, and otherwise to all other incest
cloned borgs of this all-knowing forum that sucks. The New York Times
and The Washington Post may have to run another one of those
'counterfeit news' infomercials of disinformation-R-us on behalf of
supporting the NASA/Apollo ruse of the century, as that's about all
that'll work since the laws of physics don't seem to be cooperating.
Sorry folks, I had to fix a few words. Although, it seems as though our
MI6/NSA and NASA/Apollo ruse is still (thanks to 'bz') sucking itself
right along, and it seems as though I have obtained yet another entire
mainstream all to myself, especially since all the rats and spooks have
jumped ship. All that I have to do is post something about those Kodak
moments failing to record the raw solar near-UV and UV/a, or request
something as to 'where's Venus' or 'where's Sirius' or 'where's the
secondary/recoil photons' and lo and behold, all of the incest borg
competition vanishes, especially if there's something contributed by
'tj Frazir' about all of that rather nasty moon-dust that's accumulated
rather deep and not clumping.
This effort is intended for all the snookered fools or otherwise newly
assimilated borgs like 'bz' that have to keep using those nifty
conditional laws of physics like so much toilet-paper, this time having
been stipulating from their MI6/NSA sources as to the notion that space
travel within essentially Earth orbit and while being 24/7 illuminated
is extremely cold, and even apparently colder yet with three sweating
astronauts crapping in their pants all the way to/from the moon. Thus
unlike ISS, apparently our NASA/Apollo freaks had to utilize cabin heat
all the way, and now that's supposedly another reason why the surface
of the moon was so survivable while within the 1.4 kw/m2 blazing raw
sun.
As for the likes of this newest borg collective member 'bz' is their
latest assigned borg on the block that's been trying to side-track my
efforts while suggesting once again as founded entirely upon his or her
MI6/NSA sourced and thereby moderated information, or perhaps
disinformation, as to seismic instruments that managed to get deployed
and gave us a signal which otherwise could have been pre-recorded at
any local RadioShack and feed to the transponder(s) drifting in the
ME-L1 zone for far less than 0.1% the cost of actually getting anything
onto or rather into the moon. Although, I'll have to admit that an
impact tolerant probe similar to my 'Javelin Probe' or those of the
LUNAR-A mission that for more than a decade have never been allowed to
transpire is about all that could have survived, thus conceivably the
technology may have existed for accomplishing that much without ever
setting an extremely dusty hot-foot onto the moon (though why bother
when a ME-L1 transponder accommodated signal is offering whatever fits
the mold at not 0.1% the cost).
Even though this recent level of intellectual incest cloned borgism has
been pretending at having an 'open mind', when in fact there's not a
shred of remorse, much less independent hard-science on behalf of the
'we walked on the moon' analogy, only their entirely subjective science
as obtained from orbit which actually isn't half bad, just not the
least bit conclusive of squat as to anything surface obtained that was
performed by manner of any EVA which simply could not have transpired
unless the laws of physics works differently upon the moon than upon
Earth, such as for those unfiltered Kodak laws of physics and, not to
mention the near coal like dust and dark basalt environment that was
seriously cooking and otherwise badly reacting by creating all of the
nasty secondary/recoil photons as it should have from the raw solar
influx.
"bz; Data from remote sensors is consistent with data that I can go
into the laboratory and collect. Both are consistent with the 'laws of
physics'. So, I need a very strong reason to doubt them. Do you have
such a reason?
Now this collective member is like others knowingly trashing down upon
the likes of Kodak and everything that's photographic via 'evidence
exclusions' because there's absolutely nothing that'll fix that little
MI6/NSA screw-up, is having to imply that our MI6/NSA collective had to
have been upon the surface of the moon because, as for some reason in
this instance they weren't going to be quite smart enough to match
their disinformation-R-us data up with whatever would have been easily
compared by others, and/or suggesting there was no alternative method
of getting that seismic probe into the moon.
As for the actual surface of the moon being very much unlike any other
form of their controlled disinformation, this effort required the usage
of 'evidence exclusions' (common place within the likes of MI6/NSA
CIA/FBI, DoD and all other branches of government) whenever and
wherever that benefits and/or reinforces their desired ruse/sting
outcome, plus including whatever job and retirement benefit security.
Whereas all of the sudden we're supposed to believe in the absolute
height of our perpetrated cold-war(s) that the one and only government
agency that's actually sharing the truth and nothing but the truth was
NASA. I guess that means that I'm more than suggesting that these folks
all utilized the very same infected toilet-seat, yet some how that
virulent form of AIDS and Mad-Cow disease never spread from butt to
butt, of which I could appreciated if those toilet seats were being
embarrassingly and summarily sank into that deep and near-black
moon-dust and, as such it was hardly landing upon the likes of any
clumping moon-dirt, as otherwise at 1/6th G their probe shouldn't have
sank out of sight.
BTW; there's a new topic in town; ISS needs to go to the MOON, with or
w/o crew
This new topic having something to do with Earth-science and of our
environment via our moon, thus nothing per say on the topic of photons
nor intended to fool anyone that's not already a certified fool for
believing in our perpetrated cold-war, the NASA/Apollo ruse or of those
WMD.
-
This closing rant is contributed for the ongoing benefit of others
(news media and general topic newcomers), and not that any of this
topic matters to those without a stitch of remorse outside of whatever
appeases their MI6/NSA pagan NASA/Apollo cold-war or bust God(s), as in
spite of their spermware flak having the intent as to kill-off my PC if
not myself, within my spare dyslexic time I've slightly polished on my
external 'gv-topics.htm' page, and I'm remaining intent upon working on
other pages as soon to be improved. As I learn more that can be
independently supported by the regular laws of physics, by sufficient
hard-science and subjectively honest interpretations of whatever I have
been given to work with, as best I'll share that knowledge, which will
likely include revisions and retractions upon any number of what I've
offered thus far. Unfortunately, since I'm unfunded and on the usual
'need-to-know' bases with regard to anything that might rock a
mainstream boat, and that my PC is being continually attacked with
NSA/MI6 spermware, it seems this process is going to take many
thousands of my lose cannon shots before the truth and nothing but the
truth is ever going be told. And I bet you thought the likes of big and