Fees or Tuition - Let's Call it What it is.
Mark S.
tuition free are long gone. Yet the state persists in maintaining the
fiction that tuition is not charged California residents when they
attend a public college or university within the state. Though the
"education fees" charged to students now cover a substantion fraction
of the educational costs at these institutions, the word "tuition" has
been avoided both on the campuses and in the Legislature. For a long
time this was just a matter of semantics. But recently, this
distinction has begun to have real financial consequences.
Read the Irascible Professor's commentary on the issue to see why:
http://irascibleprofessor.com/comments-06-18-09.htm
Sincerely,
Dr. Mark H. Shapiro
Editor and Publisher
The Irascible Professor
http://irascibleprofessor.com
pubkeybreaker
> The days when California's public colleges and universities were
> tuition free are long gone. �Yet the state persists in maintaining the
> fiction that tuition is not charged California residents when they
> attend a public college or university within the state. �Though the
> "education fees" charged to students now cover a substantion fraction
> of the educational costs at these institutions, the word "tuition" has
> been avoided both on the campuses and in the Legislature. �For a long
It is the same way here in the not-so-great state
of Taxachusetts. Total costs for U.Mass Amherst are
among the highest in the country for state colleges.
'Tuition' is less than 10%. The rest is 'fees'.
Larry Hewitt
Honestly, who cares?
Neither costs nor tax support contributions will change with a name
change. Access to loans or grants will not be affected.
Here fees are minimal, $100 or less for students not taking certain
classes like art or photography. But tuition is omg. But that is because
people here hate fees, and tuition raises are politically palatable ---
even 20% per annum. (as an aside, tuition here is actually used to
offset costs most other schools charge fees for, like athletic or lab
fees. so even if you are not taking a chemistry class or using the gym
the fee is rolled into your tuition)
Why stir up a nest of hornets --- Californians will go ballistic if a
true tuition system is implemented --- for absolutely no gain?
Larry
pubkeybreaker
> pubkeybreaker wrote:
> > On Jun 18, 3:42 pm, "Mark S." <doctorma...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> The days when California's public colleges and universities were
> >> tuition free are long gone. Yet the state persists in maintaining the
> >> fiction that tuition is not charged California residents when they
> >> attend a public college or university within the state. Though the
> >> "education fees" charged to students now cover a substantion fraction
> >> of the educational costs at these institutions, the word "tuition" has
> >> been avoided both on the campuses and in the Legislature. For a long
> >> time this was just a matter of semantics.
>
> > It is the same way here in the not-so-great state
> > of Taxachusetts. Total costs for U.Mass Amherst are
> > among the highest in the country for state colleges.
> > 'Tuition' is less than 10%. The rest is 'fees'.
>
> Honestly, who cares?
>
> Neither costs nor tax support contributions will change with a name
> change. Access to loans or grants will not be affected.
But it does matter. Grants ARE affected.
Taxachusetts offers scholarships (named Adams scholarships) for
students
attending a Taxachusetts public college or university. These
scholarships are
given to students who score sufficiently high on the MCAS, SATs, or
PSAT
exams. The scholarships cover 'tuition'. They do not cover 'fees'.
Since
'tuition' is such a tiny part of costs, it means that these
scholarships are
not worth very much.
Larry Hewitt
Would it, though?
My state offers grants for tuition, too, But the budget for grants is
fixed. It was politically unpalatable to pay the full boat for some and
nothing for others with the exact same qualifications (grades, exam
scores, etc.)
So they set a number of grants to award at the projected number of
qualifying HS graduates and divided available money by that. Everyone
got about 2/3 of tuition. (at least until further budget cuts forced the
elimination of the largest tier of the grants).
You said tuition was 10% of cost. Do you really think the legislature
will increase the grant budget 900% to cover the new billing paradigm?
Larry