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Carter Jefferson  
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 More options Dec 22 2003, 10:38 pm
Newsgroups: alt.english.usage
From: Carter Jefferson <carter...@mindspring.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 03:38:57 GMT
Local: Mon, Dec 22 2003 10:38 pm
Subject: Re: Err Pronunciation
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:45:05 -0000, "Alan Jones"

<a...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>"Carter Jefferson" <carter...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:49lcuv8u8eef5efqt1dthe6in4am2delc4@4ax.com...
>[...]
>> I can know perfectly well that an author is using a fairly
>> popular, but ungrammatical or non-standard, usage, but
>> I have to call the author on it and change it to the
>> standard way. You're willing to accept something 44
>> percent of the usage panel usage says is okay, but I feel
>> obligated to adhere pretty closely to the majority opinion
>> in AHD4. I have to draw the line somewhere; the purely
>> descriptivist position just won't work. Sometimes, as in
>> the case of "persuade" and "convince," I'm more strict
>> than the panel, on the ground that there's no point in
>> offending the purists, when the non-purists won't care
>> either way, though I don't meet the Walker standard.

>> For example, I find a good many, maybe most, of the
>> writers I edit using "like" as a conjunction. I use it that
>> way myself in informal speech. But AHD4 says writers
>> who use it that way are likely to be "accused of illiteracy
>> or worse." (I can't think of anything worse for a writer.)
>> So I make writers use the formal locution, except in
>> dialogue, of course.

>That (mutatis mutandis) describes my own attitude in almost forty years of
>teaching--though I should have insisted on "stricter" rather than "more
>strict" ... It's a bold line to take with alert and cocky teenage boys, who
>sometimes spotted my own lapses. But the more they spotted the more
>gratifying, of course.

>Alan Jones

"Stricter" or "more strict," that is the question.

I can't think of a rule that would preclude the use of either. I
suspect I used "more strict" to give the sentence better rhythm. Also,
"strict" is one of those words that for some reason sounds complete in
itself (to me). Using the comparative seems to me to weaken it. I have
absolutely no rationale for this.

Also, some words simply don't sound right in the comparative. Nobody
says "beautifuler" except babies or, possibly, someone else just
beginning to learn the language. "Stricter" isn't as bad as that to
me, but I just don't like the sound.

These days, by the way, I'm teaching senior citizens, most of whom are
younger than I am. They aren't as hard to deal with as teenagers, but
they surely can be stubborn. Fortunately, I'm bigger than most of
them.

Carter

Carter Jefferson
carter...@mindspring.com
http://carterj.homestead.com/


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