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From: "Raymond S. Wise" <mplsrayNOS...@gbronline.com>
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Subject: Re: From the companion volume to PBS television's *Do You Speak American*
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:39:43 -0600
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don groves wrote:
> In article <iLCdncZmacOszUfcRVn...@gbronline.com>, Raymond S.
> Wise at mplsrayNOS...@gbronline.com hath writ:
>> don groves wrote:
>>> In article <XNWdnf5otuqXZkTcRVn...@gbronline.com>, Raymond S.
>>> Wise at mplsrayNOS...@gbronline.com hath writ:
>>>> raymond o'hara wrote:
>>>>> "Raymond S. Wise" <mplsrayNOS...@gbronline.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:EY-dnfXqm4oSfETcRVn-vw@gbronline.com...
>>>>>> *Do You Speak American* is a program which will appear on the US
>>>>>> television
>>>>>> network PBS ("Public Broadcasting System," a government-owned
>>>>>> network)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Fom the PBS website.
>>>>> PBS, headquartered in Alexandria  Va., is a PRIVATE, non-profit,
>>>>> media enterprise owned and operated by the nations 349 public
>>>>> television stations.
>>>>>
>>>>>  The Government does not own the PBS.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Interesting. I took Roland Hutchinson's "Oy!" to be a comment on my
>>>> having used "Public Broadcasting System" instead of "Public
>>>> Broadcasting Service."
>>>
>>> Since the others missed it, I'll Oy! the comma inside the ending
>>> quote mark.  This has happened here a couple of times recently.
>>
>>
>> You mean the commas in the following? "('Public Broadcasting
>> System,' a government-owned network)" and "The subject discussed in
>> the first chapter, 'The Language Wars,' is prescriptivism versus
>> descriptivism." Those represent standard American punctuation
>> practice, no more "Oy!"able than is "in hospital" when used by a
>> speaker of British English.
>>
>> A punctuation error which I did make was the quotation mark
>> preceding the title of the book, since the name of the book is set
>> off with asterisks rather than, as in the case of the chapter title,
>> quotation marks.
>>
>> (The use of asterisks rather than either slashes or underscores is
>> deliberate on my part: Using underscores complicates finding past
>> material in Google Groups archive and slashes are used in these
>> groups for pronunciations represented in ASCII IPA.)
>
> I Oy!ed _PBS ("Public Broadcasting System," a government-owned
> network)_.  You quoted the name of something of which the comma
> is not a part.  How can this be anyone's standard practice?
>
> It's like saying, "Last night I watched "Mask," a great film"
> instead of "Last night I watched "Mask", a great film."


You ask "How can this be anyone's standard practice?" That's like asking,
"How can it be anyone's standard practice to write 'favourite' for
'favorite'?" (If there were a period instead of a question mark there, it
would go inside both the single and double ending quotation marks: "He
wondered how it could be anyone's standard practice to write 'favourite' for
'favorite.'")


-- 
Raymond S. Wise
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA

E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo . com