Will be stood

Thomas

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Sep 16, 2009, 5:28:56 PM9/16/09

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Hello

A circular came home from school today containing the phrase: "I will be
stood next to a coned area where your children can safely get out of the
car.....". This grates on me - I would have said: "I will be standing....".

So, which of the two is correct - or are both acceptable?

Many Thanks
Thomas

Robert Lieblich

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Sep 16, 2009, 5:48:05 PM9/16/09

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Unless someone carries the teacher to the spot next to the coned area
and plunks her down there like a mannequin, I'd say that only
"standing" is correct in Standard English. It may be okay in some
dialects, though.

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Bob Lieblich
Who shoulda stood in bed

Thomas

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Sep 16, 2009, 6:20:12 PM9/16/09

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"Robert Lieblich" <r_s_li...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Thanks

Yes, the speaker is a lancastrian so I think this is more a matter of
dialect than grammer.

If I understand correctly, the phrase, if interpretted as Standard English,
would be a passive use of the transitive form of the verb "to stand" - which
is mainly used actively and intransitively. Does that sound correct?

Thanks again
Thomas

Thomas

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Sep 16, 2009, 6:22:25 PM9/16/09

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"Thomas" <som...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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> Yes, the speaker is a lancastrian so I think this is more a matter of
> dialect than grammer.
>

oooops, obviously I meant "grammar"

Thomas

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Sep 16, 2009, 8:35:21 PM9/16/09

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On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:20:12 +0100, "Thomas" <som...@somewhere.com>
wrote:

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>"Robert Lieblich" <r_s_li...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> Thomas wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> A circular came home from school today containing the phrase: "I will be
>>> stood next to a coned area where your children can safely get out of the
>>> car.....". This grates on me - I would have said: "I will be
>>> standing....".
>>>
>>> So, which of the two is correct - or are both acceptable?
>>
>> Unless someone carries the teacher to the spot next to the coned area
>> and plunks her down there like a mannequin, I'd say that only
>> "standing" is correct in Standard English. It may be okay in some
>> dialects, though.
>>
>
>Thanks
>
>Yes, the speaker is a lancastrian so I think this is more a matter of
>dialect than grammer.

I think the grammar is correct.

>If I understand correctly, the phrase, if interpretted as Standard English,
>would be a passive use of the transitive form of the verb "to stand" - which
>is mainly used actively and intransitively. Does that sound correct?

But it's also used transitively.

>Thanks again
>Thomas

Stand the ladder next to the tree. Stand the statue in the center of
the garden. The ladder was stood next to the tree. The statue was
stood in the garden. However, unless people are describing the time
right after those things were put there, people in the US usually say,
the ladder stood (or was stading) next to the tree and the statue
stood in the garden.

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Sep 16, 2009, 11:35:53 PM9/16/09

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Thomas wrote:

That use of "stood" is British English, as I have been told, and
perhaps a little colloquial. I don't think it implies any kind of
actor, anyone to perform the act of standing the speaker anywhere: if
it's a passive, it's a very impersonal one. Think of it as a parallel
to "I will be stationed".

White Spirit

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Sep 17, 2009, 6:52:03 AM9/17/09

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Thomas wrote:

> Hello

'Will be stood' is passive, so it implies that the person will be forced
to stand there. Both are correct but I prefer 'will be standing'.

Ian Jackson

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Sep 17, 2009, 5:26:22 PM9/17/09

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In message <zwdsm.148162$LX3....@newsfe17.ams2>, Thomas
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Phrases like "I was stood" and "I was sat" (and there may be a few more
which I can't think of at the moment) are becomingly increasingly used
by people who really should know better. These include 'educated'
presenters and commentators on the radio and TV - including the BBC!
--
Ian

John Varela

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Sep 17, 2009, 6:43:49 PM9/17/09

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I prefer "...will be stationed..." or "...positioned..."

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John Varela
Trade NEWlamps for OLDlamps for email

D. Stussy

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Sep 17, 2009, 10:13:57 PM9/17/09

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"Thomas" <som...@somewhere.com> wrote in message

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Different meanings. Both are grammatically correct.

I will be standing - simple future.
You are the subject - transitive.
(You move their under your own power.)

I will be stood - "future past."
You are the OBJECT - intransitive.
(Someone/something will place you there.)

"In languages that have a passive voice, a transitive verb can be used in
the passive voice in order to turn it into an intransitive one."
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intransitive_verb

Bill McCray

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Sep 18, 2009, 9:34:00 AM9/18/09

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On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:13:57 -0700, "D. Stussy"
<sp...@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote:

> "Thomas" <som...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
> news:tMcsm.173768$e%2.6...@newsfe13.ams2...
> > Hello
> >
> > A circular came home from school today containing the phrase: "I will be
> > stood next to a coned area where your children can safely get out of the
> > car.....". This grates on me - I would have said: "I will be
> standing....".
> >
> > So, which of the two is correct - or are both acceptable?
>
> Different meanings. Both are grammatically correct.
>
> I will be standing - simple future.
> You are the subject - transitive.
> (You move their under your own power.)

Intransitive and "there".

> I will be stood - "future past."
> You are the OBJECT - intransitive.
> (Someone/something will place you there.)

Transitive.

Bill in Kentucky

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