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Ray
May 26, 2012, 6:26:33 PM5/26/12
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Hello,
I asked the following question below yesterday. Although those who
responded all agree that the Cairo Declaration is an agreement based
on the information, their replies seem confusing to me, Either they
said they don't understand the question, or they gave a big NO to my
question.
Could you please tell me why they said so? What is wrong with the way
the question is phrased? I am very confused and frustrated.
I'd appreciate your help.
Best,
Ray
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I have a question about the usage of 'other' and the kind of
inference
we can make on the basis of its meaning. Please examine the following
text:
The general objectives of the United States in regard to Japan are:
1. The unconditional surrender or total defeat of Japan;
2. The stripping from the Japanese Empire of territories, including
the Mandated Islands, in harmony with the Cairo Declaration and such
other pertinent agreements as may be reached by the United Nations,
and to which the United States is a party;...
In 2, 'other' is used. Can we infer that the Cairo Declaration is an
agreement on the basis of 'other'?
I asked the following question below yesterday. Although those who
responded all agree that the Cairo Declaration is an agreement based
on the information, their replies seem confusing to me, Either they
said they don't understand the question, or they gave a big NO to my
question.
Could you please tell me why they said so? What is wrong with the way
the question is phrased? I am very confused and frustrated.
I'd appreciate your help.
Best,
Ray
===============================
I have a question about the usage of 'other' and the kind of
inference
we can make on the basis of its meaning. Please examine the following
text:
The general objectives of the United States in regard to Japan are:
1. The unconditional surrender or total defeat of Japan;
2. The stripping from the Japanese Empire of territories, including
the Mandated Islands, in harmony with the Cairo Declaration and such
other pertinent agreements as may be reached by the United Nations,
and to which the United States is a party;...
In 2, 'other' is used. Can we infer that the Cairo Declaration is an
agreement on the basis of 'other'?
Horace LaBadie
May 26, 2012, 7:53:28 PM5/26/12
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In article
<d6b65253-ba38-440d...@c19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
The underlying assumption is that the speaker thinks that everyone is
aware that the Cairo Declaration is an agreement that involves stripping
Japan of certain territories. Even if one does not understand that
before reading the statement, the idea is made clear that the Cairo
Declaration states that Japan will be stripped of territories. That
someone must have agreed to this is implicit. The additional information
supplied by "other such agreements" is, therefore, negligible in regard
to the Cairo Declaration. It does reaffirm what we already had inferred,
if you like.
<d6b65253-ba38-440d...@c19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
aware that the Cairo Declaration is an agreement that involves stripping
Japan of certain territories. Even if one does not understand that
before reading the statement, the idea is made clear that the Cairo
Declaration states that Japan will be stripped of territories. That
someone must have agreed to this is implicit. The additional information
supplied by "other such agreements" is, therefore, negligible in regard
to the Cairo Declaration. It does reaffirm what we already had inferred,
if you like.
fabzorba
May 26, 2012, 11:08:49 PM5/26/12
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posted my pop quiz asking for another country which has Cairo (and
other middle eastern cities) as towns within it, and their is your
post on the Cairo Declaration. Well,
de dee dee dee / de dee dee de as the Twilight Zone theme had it.
What is the Cairo Declaration? I thought it was something like: "Hey,
you bum, your camel is shitting on my jeep!"
myles [but now that the Arab Spring has sprung there, I suppose we had
better watch out for the fatwa] paulsen
Don Phillipson
May 27, 2012, 11:20:20 AM5/27/12
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"fabzorba" <myles....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f743858e-e64e-489f...@n8g2000pbv.googlegroups.com...
> > The general objectives of the United States in regard to Japan are:
> > 1. The unconditional surrender or total defeat of Japan;
> > 2. The stripping from the Japanese Empire of territories, including
> > the Mandated Islands, in harmony with the Cairo Declaration and such
> > other pertinent agreements as may be reached by the United Nations,
> > and to which the United States is a party;...
> . . .
of Japan, an event unique in recent centuries?
For background, there occurred during the Second World War fewer than
half a dozen summit conferences, of two or more heads of allied governments,
to negotiate and agree on common policy. Each secret meeting generated a
public announcement afterwards, often called a Declaration. The best-
known were:
Casablanca (1942): policy of unconditional surrender
Cairo (1943): postwar policy for the Japanese Empire
Teheran (1943): postwar policy for the Japanese Empire
Yalta (1945): occupation of Germany
Potsdam (1945): occupation of Germany
(Most conferences also included secret agreements never announced.)
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
news:f743858e-e64e-489f...@n8g2000pbv.googlegroups.com...
> > The general objectives of the United States in regard to Japan are:
> > 1. The unconditional surrender or total defeat of Japan;
> > 2. The stripping from the Japanese Empire of territories, including
> > the Mandated Islands, in harmony with the Cairo Declaration and such
> > other pertinent agreements as may be reached by the United Nations,
> > and to which the United States is a party;...
> What is the Cairo Declaration? I thought it was something like: "Hey,
> you bum, your camel is shitting on my jeep!"
Is it insufficiently clear that the CD had something to do with the defeat
> you bum, your camel is shitting on my jeep!"
of Japan, an event unique in recent centuries?
For background, there occurred during the Second World War fewer than
half a dozen summit conferences, of two or more heads of allied governments,
to negotiate and agree on common policy. Each secret meeting generated a
public announcement afterwards, often called a Declaration. The best-
known were:
Casablanca (1942): policy of unconditional surrender
Cairo (1943): postwar policy for the Japanese Empire
Teheran (1943): postwar policy for the Japanese Empire
Yalta (1945): occupation of Germany
Potsdam (1945): occupation of Germany
(Most conferences also included secret agreements never announced.)
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
May 27, 2012, 11:44:14 AM5/27/12
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United Nations organisation of today. It referred to the Allies of World
War II.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allies_of_World_War_II
During December 1941, US President Franklin Roosevelt devised the
name "United Nations" for the Allies.
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.english.usage)
Don Phillipson
May 28, 2012, 2:59:50 PM5/28/12
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"Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <ma...@peterduncanson.net> wrote in message
news:shi4s75k414aq6n82...@4ax.com...
>>> > . . . in harmony with the Cairo Declaration and such
>>> > other pertinent agreements as may be reached by the United Nations, .
>>> > . .
> Just one further point: the "United Nations" mentioned was not the
> United Nations organisation of today. It referred to the Allies of World
> War II.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allies_of_World_War_II
>
> During December 1941, US President Franklin Roosevelt devised the
> name "United Nations" for the Allies.
As Wikipedia makes plain, the United Nations Declaration of 1 Jan. 1942
mainly promulgated the UK-US "Atlantic Charter" as a statement of common
war aims of (initially) 26 governments (including some governments in exile
e.g. Belgium.)
But hardly anyone noticed this document, perhaps because of the catastrophic
events of early 1942. Most historians identify as the first proclamation
in the name of the "United Nations" that of 17 Dec. 1942 denouncing the
Holocaust in eastern Europe and promising, after victory, war criminals
would be prosecuted for their activities. (This was drafted by the British
Foreign Office and US State Department, consulting with no other
governments.)
The United Nations Organization was formally constituted at the San
Francisco Conference in the summer of 1945. For the next 15 or 20
years British news media named this as UNO and only later adopted
the American preference for UN = United Nations.
news:shi4s75k414aq6n82...@4ax.com...
>>> > . . . in harmony with the Cairo Declaration and such
>>> > other pertinent agreements as may be reached by the United Nations, .
>>> > . .
> Just one further point: the "United Nations" mentioned was not the
> United Nations organisation of today. It referred to the Allies of World
> War II.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allies_of_World_War_II
>
> During December 1941, US President Franklin Roosevelt devised the
> name "United Nations" for the Allies.
mainly promulgated the UK-US "Atlantic Charter" as a statement of common
war aims of (initially) 26 governments (including some governments in exile
e.g. Belgium.)
But hardly anyone noticed this document, perhaps because of the catastrophic
events of early 1942. Most historians identify as the first proclamation
in the name of the "United Nations" that of 17 Dec. 1942 denouncing the
Holocaust in eastern Europe and promising, after victory, war criminals
would be prosecuted for their activities. (This was drafted by the British
Foreign Office and US State Department, consulting with no other
governments.)
The United Nations Organization was formally constituted at the San
Francisco Conference in the summer of 1945. For the next 15 or 20
years British news media named this as UNO and only later adopted
the American preference for UN = United Nations.
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