No roaming
peter prictoe
requesting tourists not to wander about a cathedral during services.
(This is in a country where English is the second language and the best they
have come up with so far is a somewhat inelegant
"No roaming during services")
I am finding it a little difficult to supply what is required and would
appreciate suggestions.
Peter Prictoe
jan...@mailexcite.com
Please remain seated during services.
Please stay at your seat during services.
During services, please remain in pews.
Stop wandering around like gormless sheep disrupting the people
who are actually here to worship. This is a cathedral,
goddammit, not an amusement park!
jane
peter prictoe
jan...@mailexcite.com wrote in message
<372B0BCC...@mailexcite.com>...
>>
>> PP I like it Jane and it gets better as it goes along.
>> The layout of this particular place however is such that visitors are
>> required to remain standing at the vestibule
>> and gaze upon both the interior and its occupants whilst the latter
commune
>> with their Maker.
>> visitors are welcome but must be requested politely not to disturb
>> worshippers
>> during services
>> any advance on above?
>>
>> Peter Prictoe
>
>VISITORS: Please remain behind this door during services.
PP I do not wish to outstay my welcome or unduly try your patience Jane
but who said anything about a door ?
One enters the outer doors into a tiny vestibule but the present notice is
on the wall facing those who enter the inner doors and stand at the back of
the cathedral nave whilst their eyes get used to the dark interior and can
see the congregation from the rear. They are welcome to remain there but the
notice is to restrain them from perambulating about the aisles and main body
of the cathedral during a service. Surely someone can put me out of my
misery by concocting a short polite pithy sentence and I can then leave you
all in peace.
Several years knocked off purgatory for anyone who can supply a good
one-liner.
Peter Prictoe.
Ellen Mizzell
> One enters the outer doors into a tiny vestibule but the present notice is
> on the wall facing those who enter the inner doors and stand at the back of
> the cathedral nave whilst their eyes get used to the dark interior and can
> see the congregation from the rear. They are welcome to remain there but the
> notice is to restrain them from perambulating about the aisles and main body
> of the cathedral during a service. Surely someone can put me out of my
> misery by concocting a short polite pithy sentence and I can then leave you
> all in peace.
> Several years knocked off purgatory for anyone who can supply a good
> one-liner.
PP, I think you're being too kind to them. While the service is on,
put a notice outside saying something like
"A service is in progress. Please do not enter
unless you wish to worship."
It really doesn't seem a lot to ask.
--
Ellen Mizzell
Tom Tobin
>
>jan...@mailexcite.com wrote in message
><372B0BCC...@mailexcite.com>...
>>>
>>> PP I like it Jane and it gets better as it goes along.
>>> The layout of this particular place however is such that visitors are
>>> required to remain standing at the vestibule
>>> and gaze upon both the interior and its occupants whilst the latter
>commune
>>> with their Maker.
>>> visitors are welcome but must be requested politely not to disturb
>>> worshippers
>>> during services
>>> any advance on above?
>>>
>>> Peter Prictoe
>>
>>VISITORS: Please remain behind this door during services.
>
>PP I do not wish to outstay my welcome or unduly try your patience Jane
>but who said anything about a door ?
>on the wall facing those who enter the inner doors and stand at the back of
>the cathedral nave whilst their eyes get used to the dark interior and can
>see the congregation from the rear. They are welcome to remain there but
the
>notice is to restrain them from perambulating about the aisles and main
body
>of the cathedral during a service. Surely someone can put me out of my
>misery by concocting a short polite pithy sentence and I can then leave you
>all in peace.
>
>Several years knocked off purgatory for anyone who can supply a good
>one-liner.
Following jane's example....
VISITORS: Please remain at the rear of the cathedral during services.
I'd go for something a little stronger.
During services visitors must stay at the back of the cathedral.
Why not have <WORSHIPPERS - VISITORS>
and put a physical barrier in the visitors area.
Visitors will ignore the sign; as they ignore any notice saying:
restrict souvenir-hunting to the shop
wear suitable clothing
be quiet
stop children and animals running around
take all litter home
no hawking
no spitting
no hanky-panky in the aisles
no pick-pocketing
no photography
etc.
Call me a crotchety old cynic, if you like.
Regards,
Tom Tobin.
vellov
peter prictoe wrote
>
> I am required to produce a brief notice
> requesting tourists not to wander about a cathedral during services.
> (This is in a country where English is the second language and the best
>they
> have come up with so far is a somewhat inelegant
> "No roaming during services")
'Roaming' sounds good to me. It's a little bit humorous, in a gentle kind of
way, and everybody knows what it means because of 'Home on the Range.'
'Do not/Visitors are requested not to roam around/about during services'
May I ask where the cathedral is?
With respect,
vellov
baldy...@mindspring.com
>requesting tourists not to wander about a cathedral during services.
>(This is in a country where English is the second language and the best they
>have come up with so far is a somewhat inelegant
>"No roaming during services")
Since tourist of all types generally ignore signs, you could try
KEEP OUT!
But even that wouldn't work.
A nice length of rope would do the job.
Dave
jan...@mailexcite.com
>
> PP I do not wish to outstay my welcome or unduly try your patience Jane
> but who said anything about a door ?
> One enters the outer doors into a tiny vestibule but the present notice is
> on the wall facing those who enter the inner doors and stand at the back of
> the cathedral nave whilst their eyes get used to the dark interior and can
> see the congregation from the rear. They are welcome to remain there but the
> notice is to restrain them from perambulating about the aisles and main body
> of the cathedral during a service. Surely someone can put me out of my
> misery by concocting a short polite pithy sentence and I can then leave you
> all in peace.
My experience is that you are much better off telling people
precisely what you want them to do. Apparently, people are
convincing themselves that "roaming" does not apply to wandering
around the church during services. I guarantee that if you post
a sign like: Please Do Not Disrupt Services, then some people
will rationalize that allowing their children to play tag in the
pews at the back of the church is really not disrupting the
service going on in the front.
First, I'd get some of those Service In Progress placards Ellen
suggested and hang them on the outside door handles during
services. Then, I would post a sign telling the tourists what
you want them to do. The best I've come up with is: VISITORS:
Please remain in this nave or in the museum during services.
Even though it contradicts everything I have just said, I also
like:
VISITORS: No Entry During Services.
WORSHIPPERS: Please Enter Silently.
jane
Ellen Mizzell
[..]
> Even though it contradicts everything I have just said, I also
> like:
> VISITORS: No Entry During Services.
> WORSHIPPERS: Please Enter Silently.
So do I. In this town, there is a day once a year when all sorts of
buildings are open to the public. Some of them are open at other
times, some are usually private. It's a really interesting day out.
Last year, one of the buildings I visited was a church in the city
centre run by the Little Brothers of the Poor I think, or some sort
of relations of the Poor. There was a sign demanding absolute
silence in the church, and to my surprise it seemed that people
were complying. It greatly enhanced the visit. I theorize that
people are more likely to obey a somewhat totalitarian notice than
one that tries to ask them to be moderately or even minimally
considerate.
--
Ellen Mizzell
Tom Tobin
<7gn9uq$1go$1...@tictac.demon.co.uk>...
"visitors must...." works best. Also I think any sign should include
"our" - to make it obvious that it's not just another old building, but
that people use, and care for, the cathedral.
Something on the lines of: "Staff will remove any visitor who...."
should be added.
Why not a little bit of theatre every hour, or so? Where a member
of staff physically - and noisily - ejects a pretend-offender and says
(while he stands on the cathedral steps and wipes his hands
together): "He dropped a sweet-paper." Or: "He farted."
I think jane's idea of treating them like sheep is right.
How do I feel about being treated like that?
Baa-baaaa.... Baaad....
BTW - Ellen, what are your going to do with you B&B windfall?
Have you noticed (now it's been decided) that the amount seems
to be getting smaller? Or is it my (greedy) imagination?
Regards,
Tom Tobin.
(ObAue: any email showing any corrections to my English would
be welcome. I'm beginning to realise how little I know.)
Tom Tobin
<925893602.2805.0...@news.demon.co.uk>...
My apologies...
>BTW - Ellen, what are your going to do with you B&B windfall?
That should be "your B&B windfall?"
And a far greater offence:
>(ObAue: any email showing any corrections to my English would
>be welcome. I'm beginning to realise how little I know.)
Sorry - I got my forums mixed up.
BTW - There does not appear to be a FAQ explaining why there
*are* two forums, what the differences are, etc. I'd like to write one.
I'd welcome any email on that.
Regards,
Tom Tobin.
Ellen Mizzell
> Tom Tobin wrote in message
> <925893602.2805.0...@news.demon.co.uk>...
> My apologies...
>>BTW - Ellen, what are your going to do with you B&B windfall?
Go carpetbagging.
> That should be "your B&B windfall?"
> And a far greater offence:
>>(ObAue: any email showing any corrections to my English would
>>be welcome. I'm beginning to realise how little I know.)
> Sorry - I got my forums mixed up.
> BTW - There does not appear to be a FAQ explaining why there
> *are* two forums, what the differences are, etc. I'd like to write one.
> I'd welcome any email on that.
Does it need an explanation?
Once you write a FAQ saying "aue is like this and aeu is like this",
some people will treat it as though it were a charter and reproach
others for posting in any way that doesn't fit whatever's been
enshrined in the FAQ. Seen it before. Why not just go with the
flow?
I'd say: "aeu is the one without a FAQ".
--
Ellen Mizzell
MeJane
the form of a FAQ (which I assumed to mean Frequently Asked Questions). Is this true of AEU? If
so, where can one find this FAQ (charter/mission-statement/whatever!)?
Thank you,
Jane
Tom Tobin wrote:
> BTW - There does not appear to be a FAQ explaining why there
> *are* two forums, what the differences are, etc. I'd like to write one.
> I'd welcome any email on that.
>
> Regards,
> Tom Tobin.
Aaron Baugher
> FAQ? Would you please explain. I read somewhere that newsgroups
> often have a charter, commonly in the form of a FAQ (which I assumed
> to mean Frequently Asked Questions). Is this true of AEU? If so,
> where can one find this FAQ (charter/mission-statement/whatever!)?
A charter and a FAQ are two different things. A charter is a written
statement of a newsgroup's purpose, and is posted to the appropriate
newsgroup by someone who wants to create a new newsgroup. A good
charter will explain the need for the group, outline the subject
matter for which the group is intended, and list any other details
about the new group.
A FAQ is exactly what it claims to be -- a list of Frequently Asked
Questions. A FAQ is an attempt to pick out questions that are asked
very frequently on a newsgroup, and put them, with answers, into a
list that can be posted to the newsgroup on a regular basis. FAQs are
very common on technical newsgroups, where most common questions have
one absolute answer; but they are less common on groups like this one,
where the simplest question may bring several different
(contradictory) answers. :-)
Good Usenet ettiquette suggests that before posting questions to a
newsgroup, you check the FAQ first, to see if your question has
already been answered. Some newsgroups automatically post their FAQs
anywhere from weekly to monthly, while others put their FAQs on the
web and just post a URL to Usenet periodically.
In this case, AEU doesn't have a FAQ. Alt.usage.english does have
one, and there is probably some overlap between the questions in it
and those that come up frequently on this group, so new visitors to
AEU may be interested in the AUE FAQ. However, if it contains any
charter-type information -- what's appropriate to post, for example --
then that applies only to AUE, and not to AEU.
As an alternative, anyone with web access can use www.dejanews.com to
search past postings for a subject. For example, to see if anyone has
talked about 'charter' in this group before, do a search there for
"alt.english.usage AND charter".
Aaron
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Tom Tobin
>FAQ? Would you please explain. I read somewhere that newsgroups often have
a charter, commonly in
>the form of a FAQ (which I assumed to mean Frequently Asked Questions). Is
this true of AEU? If
>so, where can one find this FAQ (charter/mission-statement/whatever!)?
Look for the regular posting "Related news groups" (by John Davies).
This contains helpful information on other English ngs and their FAQs.
HTH
Regards,
Tom Tobin.
J. Kagie
No sightseeing during services, please.
Regards, John
peter prictoe heeft geschreven in bericht ...
>I am required to produce a brief notice
>requesting tourists not to wander about a cathedral during services.
>(This is in a country where English is the second language and the best
they
>have come up with so far is a somewhat inelegant
>"No roaming during services")