A Query on Pronounciation
Torbj�rn Svensson Diaz
Consider the first phoneme in "child" and the first phoneme in
"jungle". Which phoneme do you use at the end of "advantage"?
According to some dictionaries I've looked in, the latter phoneme
should be used. When I _read_ what www.m-w.com has to say about it,
they list the former phoneme but when I _listen_ to the
pronounciation, the latter phoneme seems to be used. Also, I think I
encounter this a lot in movies. Is this some dialectal feature
prominent in some parts in America, e.g. California, where most movies
are recorded anyway, or is it simply a matter of my mishearing?
Best regards,
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I'm an American speaker, living mostly in the east.
For
me, the J in jungle.Same sound as in refrigerator.
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"Torbj�rn Svensson Diaz" <tobi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Jungle.
Patok
>> "jungle". Which phoneme do you use at the end of "advantage"?
>
That's correct. If you hear somebody pronounce it with the 'ch'
from "child", it's likely they are non-native English speakers from
Eastern Europe. For example, I pronounce it that way, although I know I
shouldn't. I can't help it. The 'feature' of de-voicing the final
consonants is too deeply ingrained and automatic. If I was an actor, and
took pronunciation lessons, I would have mastered it. However, I'm not,
and it slips through when I'm not paying attention.
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GFH
> Hi!
>
> Consider the first phoneme in "child" and the first phoneme in
> "jungle". Which phoneme do you use at the end of "advantage"?
>
> According to some dictionaries I've looked in, the latter phoneme
> they list the former phoneme but when I _listen_ to the
> pronounciation, the latter phoneme seems to be used. Also, I think I
> encounter this a lot in movies. Is this some dialectal feature
> prominent in some parts in America, e.g. California, where most movies
> are recorded anyway, or is it simply a matter of my mishearing?
To quote Harold Geneen:
"J as in Jesus; not G as in God."
GFH
Cece
> Hi!
>
> Consider the first phoneme in "child" and the first phoneme in
> "jungle". Which phoneme do you use at the end of "advantage"?
>
> According to some dictionaries I've looked in, the latter phoneme
> they list the former phoneme but when I _listen_ to the
> pronounciation, the latter phoneme seems to be used. Also, I think I
> encounter this a lot in movies. Is this some dialectal feature
> prominent in some parts in America, e.g. California, where most movies
> are recorded anyway, or is it simply a matter of my mishearing?
>
> Best regards,
>
> --
M-W's written pronunciation respelling has "j" -- as in jungle. /dZ/
in ASCII IPA. "Child" uses /tS/. I may have heard /tS/ at the end of
"advantage," but not usually, and I can't remember context or speaker.
mm
<ceceliaa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Nov 22, 3:50�pm, Torbj�rn Svensson Diaz <tobit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> Consider the first phoneme in "child" and the first phoneme in
>> "jungle". Which phoneme do you use at the end of "advantage"?
>>
>> According to some dictionaries I've looked in, the latter phoneme
>> should be used. When I _read_ whatwww.m-w.comhas to say about it,
>> they list the former phoneme but when I _listen_ to the
>> pronounciation, the latter phoneme seems to be used. Also, I think I
>> encounter this a lot in movies. Is this some dialectal feature
>> prominent in some parts in America, e.g. California, where most movies
>> are recorded anyway, or is it simply a matter of my mishearing?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> --
>> Torbj�rn Svensson Diaz
>
>M-W's written pronunciation respelling has "j" -- as in jungle.
She's right. A little too much happy juice, OP?
> /dZ/
>in ASCII IPA. "Child" uses /tS/. I may have heard /tS/ at the end of
>"advantage," but not usually, and I can't remember context or speaker.
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