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AGGWHhoax
Mar 2, 2012, 11:40:06 PM3/2/12
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Poor, Deluded Alarmists Don't Have Any Real Targets To Hit Back At [Sob ..]
The problem the alarmists had, was that there was never anything substantial
to hit back at.
They had the equivalents of the big guns and the massive air support but
there never was a skeptic HQ to be pounded, no big central organization, no
massed ranks of skeptic soldiers or even any third-party backing the
resistance.
Every one of the skeptics was a lone volunteer guerrilla fighter, who needed
absolutely no logistical support of any kind to continue the fight
indefinitely.
The alarmists never understood this, preferring to think that there simply
had to be some massive hidden organization orchestrating the resistance.
While they wasted time and effort attacking targets that only existed in
their head, each of the guerrillas chewed on them mercilessly in their own
particular way.
http://thepointman.wordpress.com/2012/03/02/the-climate-wars/
Warmest Regards
B O N Z O
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists
worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
from natural variation."
Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
"A major problem has been the co-option of climate science by politics,
ambition, greed, and what seems to be a hereditary human need for a
righteous cause."
"What better cause than "saving" the planet, especially if one can get
ample, secure funding at the same time?"
William Happer, Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics, Princeton
University.
"The claim is that the temperature has changed from ~288.0 to ~288.8ºK in
about 150 years, which, if true, means to me that the temperature has been
amazingly stable, and both human health and happiness have definitely
improved in this 'warming' period,".
Nobel Laureate Dr. Ivar Giaever:
"If climate has not "tipped" in over 4 billion years it's not going to tip
now due to mankind. The planet has a natural thermostat"
Richard S. Lindzen, Atmospheric Physicist, Professor of Meteorology MIT,
Former IPCC Lead Author
"A core problem is that science has given way to ideology. The scientific
method has been dispensed with, or abused, to serve the myth of man-made
global warming."
"The World Turned Upside Down", Melanie Phillips
"Computer models are built in an almost backwards fashion: The goal is to
show evidence of AGW, and the "scientists" go to work to produce such a
result. When even these models fail to show what advocates want, the data
and interpretations are "fudged" to bring about the desired result"
"The World Turned Upside Down", Melanie Phillips
"Ocean acidification looks suspiciously like a back-up plan by the
environmental pressure groups in case the climate fails to warm: another try
at condemning fossil fuels!"
http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/threat-ocean-acidification-greatly-exaggerated
Before attacking hypothetical problems, let us first solve the real problems
that threaten humanity. One single water pump at an equivalent cost of a
couple of solar panels can indeed spare hundreds of Sahel women the daily
journey to the spring and spare many infections and lives.
Martin De Vlieghere, philosopher
"All it takes to find oneself called a 'denier' is to seek a sense of
proportion about environmental problems"
Mark Lynas, The God Species
The problem the alarmists had, was that there was never anything substantial
to hit back at.
They had the equivalents of the big guns and the massive air support but
there never was a skeptic HQ to be pounded, no big central organization, no
massed ranks of skeptic soldiers or even any third-party backing the
resistance.
Every one of the skeptics was a lone volunteer guerrilla fighter, who needed
absolutely no logistical support of any kind to continue the fight
indefinitely.
The alarmists never understood this, preferring to think that there simply
had to be some massive hidden organization orchestrating the resistance.
While they wasted time and effort attacking targets that only existed in
their head, each of the guerrillas chewed on them mercilessly in their own
particular way.
http://thepointman.wordpress.com/2012/03/02/the-climate-wars/
Warmest Regards
B O N Z O
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists
worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
from natural variation."
Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
"A major problem has been the co-option of climate science by politics,
ambition, greed, and what seems to be a hereditary human need for a
righteous cause."
"What better cause than "saving" the planet, especially if one can get
ample, secure funding at the same time?"
William Happer, Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics, Princeton
University.
"The claim is that the temperature has changed from ~288.0 to ~288.8ºK in
about 150 years, which, if true, means to me that the temperature has been
amazingly stable, and both human health and happiness have definitely
improved in this 'warming' period,".
Nobel Laureate Dr. Ivar Giaever:
"If climate has not "tipped" in over 4 billion years it's not going to tip
now due to mankind. The planet has a natural thermostat"
Richard S. Lindzen, Atmospheric Physicist, Professor of Meteorology MIT,
Former IPCC Lead Author
"A core problem is that science has given way to ideology. The scientific
method has been dispensed with, or abused, to serve the myth of man-made
global warming."
"The World Turned Upside Down", Melanie Phillips
"Computer models are built in an almost backwards fashion: The goal is to
show evidence of AGW, and the "scientists" go to work to produce such a
result. When even these models fail to show what advocates want, the data
and interpretations are "fudged" to bring about the desired result"
"The World Turned Upside Down", Melanie Phillips
"Ocean acidification looks suspiciously like a back-up plan by the
environmental pressure groups in case the climate fails to warm: another try
at condemning fossil fuels!"
http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/threat-ocean-acidification-greatly-exaggerated
Before attacking hypothetical problems, let us first solve the real problems
that threaten humanity. One single water pump at an equivalent cost of a
couple of solar panels can indeed spare hundreds of Sahel women the daily
journey to the spring and spare many infections and lives.
Martin De Vlieghere, philosopher
"All it takes to find oneself called a 'denier' is to seek a sense of
proportion about environmental problems"
Mark Lynas, The God Species
Surfer
Mar 3, 2012, 12:02:09 AM3/3/12
to
On Sat, 3 Mar 2012 15:40:06 +1100, "AGGWHhoax" <AGGWHhoax@AGGWHhoax>
wrote:
>
>"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
>US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists
>worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
>from natural variation."
>
>Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
>
That is a false claim.
The Decadal Land-Surface Average Temperature by the Berkley Earth Team
clearly shows warming.
http://berkeleyearth.org/images/decadal-surface-temperature-anomaly-comparison.jpg
http://www.skepticalscience.com/empirical-evidence-for-global-warming.htm
".....Satellite and surface measurements find less energy is escaping
to space at CO2 absorption wavelengths. Ocean and surface temperature
measurements find the planet continues to accumulate heat. This gives
a line of empirical evidence that human CO2 emissions are causing
global warming."
The following graph shows that since 1979 the amount of Arctic sea ice
measured in September each year has been declined at an average rate
of 12% per decade, with a faster decline since 1998.
ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/DATASETS/NOAA/G02135/Sep/N_09_plot.png
And according to the following paper,
Acceleration of the contribution of the Greenland and Antarctic ice
sheets to sea level rise
Monaghan et al.
GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH LETTERS, VOL. 38, L05503
http://ess.uci.edu/researchgrp/velicogna/files/rignot_etal_grl2011.pdf
"..... we determine that ice sheet loss is accelerating by
36.3 +/- 2 Gigatonnes per year per year, or 3 times larger than from
mountain glaciers and ice caps (GIC). The magnitude of the
acceleration suggests that ice sheets will be the dominant
contributors to sea level rise in forthcoming decades, and will likely
exceed the IPCC projections for the contribution of ice sheets to sea
level rise in the 21st century [Meehl et al., 2007]...."
wrote:
>
>"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
>US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists
>worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
>from natural variation."
>
>Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
>
The Decadal Land-Surface Average Temperature by the Berkley Earth Team
clearly shows warming.
http://berkeleyearth.org/images/decadal-surface-temperature-anomaly-comparison.jpg
http://www.skepticalscience.com/empirical-evidence-for-global-warming.htm
".....Satellite and surface measurements find less energy is escaping
to space at CO2 absorption wavelengths. Ocean and surface temperature
measurements find the planet continues to accumulate heat. This gives
a line of empirical evidence that human CO2 emissions are causing
global warming."
The following graph shows that since 1979 the amount of Arctic sea ice
measured in September each year has been declined at an average rate
of 12% per decade, with a faster decline since 1998.
ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/DATASETS/NOAA/G02135/Sep/N_09_plot.png
And according to the following paper,
Acceleration of the contribution of the Greenland and Antarctic ice
sheets to sea level rise
Monaghan et al.
GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH LETTERS, VOL. 38, L05503
http://ess.uci.edu/researchgrp/velicogna/files/rignot_etal_grl2011.pdf
"..... we determine that ice sheet loss is accelerating by
36.3 +/- 2 Gigatonnes per year per year, or 3 times larger than from
mountain glaciers and ice caps (GIC). The magnitude of the
acceleration suggests that ice sheets will be the dominant
contributors to sea level rise in forthcoming decades, and will likely
exceed the IPCC projections for the contribution of ice sheets to sea
level rise in the 21st century [Meehl et al., 2007]...."
AGGWHhoax
Mar 3, 2012, 12:24:26 AM3/3/12
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"Surfer" <n...@spam.invalid> wrote in message
news:vd93l7lvohqt1c62v...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 3 Mar 2012 15:40:06 +1100, "AGGWHhoax" <AGGWHhoax@AGGWHhoax>
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
>>US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of
>>scientists
>>worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
>>from natural variation."
>>
>>Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University,
>>Townsville
>>
>
> That is a false claim.
Sorry it is correct.
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
>>US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of
>>scientists
>>worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
>>from natural variation."
>>
>>Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University,
>>Townsville
>>
>
> That is a false claim.
No evidence for manmade CO2 warming.
> The Decadal Land-Surface Average Temperature by the Berkley Earth Team
> clearly shows warming.
> http://berkeleyearth.org/images/decadal-surface-temperature-anomaly-comparison.jpg
>
>
> http://www.skepticalscience.com/empirical-evidence-for-global-warming.htm
>
> ".....Satellite and surface measurements find less energy
> is escaping
> to space at CO2 absorption wavelengths. Ocean and surface temperature
> measurements find the planet continues to accumulate heat. This gives
> a line of empirical evidence that human CO2 emissions are causing
> global warming."
>
>
> The following graph shows that since 1979 the amount of Arctic sea ice
> measured in September each year has been declined at an average rate
> of 12% per decade, with a faster decline since 1998.
> ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/DATASETS/NOAA/G02135/Sep/N_09_plot.png
Arctic Ice free To 81 Degrees 20 Minutes Latitude!
The Arcric seems to be warming up ..
Hope Valley Advertiser
Apr 26 1923
HERE IS THE IMAGE OF THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLE
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=wKZUAAAAIBAJ&sjid=UDsNAAAAIBAJ&pg=1574,6789241&dq=ice+free+arctic&hl=en
> And according to the following paper,
>
> Acceleration of the contribution of the Greenland and Antarctic ice
> sheets to sea level rise
> Monaghan et al.
> GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH LETTERS, VOL. 38, L05503
> http://ess.uci.edu/researchgrp/velicogna/files/rignot_etal_grl2011.pdf
>
> "..... we determine that ice sheet loss is accelerating by
> 36.3 +/- 2 Gigatonnes per year per year, or 3 times larger than from
> mountain glaciers and ice caps (GIC). The magnitude of the
> acceleration suggests that ice sheets will be the dominant
> contributors to sea level rise in forthcoming decades, and will likely
> exceed the IPCC projections for the contribution of ice sheets to sea
> level rise in the 21st century [Meehl et al., 2007]...."
>
Antarctic Temperatures Running Far Below Normal With Heavy Snowfall Greet
Foolhardy Trekkers
Shock News : Heavy Snow Is Associated With Cold!
Nove 19 2011
Temperatures are running far below normal in Antarctica, and they are having
the heaviest snowfall in years.
Meteorologists monitoring Antarctic conditions say it is the highest
snowfall in the region in years.
THEY'VE been on the ice less than three weeks but hell has already frozen
over for Aussie adventurers James Castrission and Justin Jones.
Nightmare winds, heavy snowfall and days of total white-out have turned what
was already a monumental challenge into an epic battle of will versus
weather.
The pair, who made world headlines three years ago after crossing the Tasman
in a kayak, are aiming to become the first people to trek 2200km from the
edge of the Antarctic to the South Pole and back, unassisted.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/
AND whatever happened to the "catastrophic" Greenland glacier retreat of
1940 then?
Greenland Glacier Retreat Is Near Catastrophic!
HERE IS THE IMAGE OF THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLE
HERE IS THE TEXT OF THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLE
The Courier Mail
Monday 6 May 1940
Greenland's Climate Becoming Milder
Is the Arctic climate becoming more temperate?
Remarkable new information given by the famous Swedish authority, Professor
H. W. Ahlmann in a lecture to the Swedish Geographical Society, suggests
that this may be the case.
Professor Ahlmann was speaking on the collated results of his expedition to
north-east Greenland, and he stated that the glaciers there showed clear
signs of a change towards a warmer climate.
As had been observed in other parts of the Arctic, especially in
Spitzbergen, the melting had increased rapidly.
By far the largest number of local glaciers in north-east Greenland had
receded very greatly during recent decades, and it would not be exaggerating
to say that these glaciers were nearing a catastrophe.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/40934044?searchTerm=greenland%20%20melting&searchLimits=
"Fudger" Hansen has recently determined that the temperature measurements
from Greenland in 1940 were "suspiciously" too high, and has whacked a
couple of degrees of of them.
"Fudger" Hansen's magic computer has retroactively un-melted the glaciers.
People back then were too dumb to know what melting ice looks like anyway.
Warmest Regards
B O N Z O
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists
worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
from natural variation."
Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists
worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
from natural variation."
Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
Surfer
Mar 3, 2012, 2:02:54 AM3/3/12
to
On Sat, 3 Mar 2012 16:24:26 +1100, "AGGWHhoax" <AGGWHhoax@AGGWHhoax>
wrote:
>
>"Surfer" <n...@spam.invalid> wrote in message
>news:vd93l7lvohqt1c62v...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 3 Mar 2012 15:40:06 +1100, "AGGWHhoax" <AGGWHhoax@AGGWHhoax>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
>>>US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of
>>>scientists
>>>worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
>>>from natural variation."
>>>
>>>Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University,
>>>Townsville
>>>
>>
>> That is a false claim.
>
>Sorry it is correct.
>No evidence for manmade CO2 warming.
>
That's a head in the sand opinion, like the claims of not so long ago
that there was no evidence that smoking caused lung cancer.
>
>> The Decadal Land-Surface Average Temperature by the Berkley Earth Team
>> clearly shows warming.
>> http://berkeleyearth.org/images/decadal-surface-temperature-anomaly-comparison.jpg
>>
>>
>> http://www.skepticalscience.com/empirical-evidence-for-global-warming.htm
>>
>> ".....Satellite and surface measurements find less energy
>
>Less than what?
>
>> is escaping
>> to space at CO2 absorption wavelengths.
>>
The sentence implies that at CO2 absorption wavelengths, the amount of
energy that escapes to space is less than the amount emitted from the
earths surface.
IOW on its way through the atmosphere, a proportion of the energy is
being absorbed, thus warming the air and causing the CO2 greenhouse
effect.
>>
>>Ocean and surface temperature
>> measurements find the planet continues to accumulate heat. This gives
>> a line of empirical evidence that human CO2 emissions are causing
>> global warming."
>>
>>
>> The following graph shows that since 1979 the amount of Arctic sea ice
>> measured in September each year has been declined at an average rate
>> of 12% per decade, with a faster decline since 1998.
>> ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/DATASETS/NOAA/G02135/Sep/N_09_plot.png
>
>
>Like in 1923 you mean?
>
Unfortunately data from those days isn't accurate enough to usefully
combine with satellite data.
<snip>
>
>Temperatures are running far below normal in Antarctica, and they are having
>the heaviest snowfall in years.
>
Antarctic temperatures and snowfalls fluctuate above and below their
respective trendlines.
But that doesn't alter the observed fact that on average ice sheet
loss is accelerating.
>
>AND whatever happened to the "catastrophic" Greenland glacier retreat of
>1940 then?
>
Unfortunately the article doesn't give enough information to come to a
meaningful conclusion.
<snip>
The evidence I gave was "The Decadal Land-Surface Average Temperature
by the Berkley Earth Team", and that shows warming.
http://berkeleyearth.org/images/decadal-surface-temperature-anomaly-comparison.jpg
wrote:
>
>"Surfer" <n...@spam.invalid> wrote in message
>news:vd93l7lvohqt1c62v...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 3 Mar 2012 15:40:06 +1100, "AGGWHhoax" <AGGWHhoax@AGGWHhoax>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
>>>US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of
>>>scientists
>>>worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
>>>from natural variation."
>>>
>>>Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University,
>>>Townsville
>>>
>>
>> That is a false claim.
>
>Sorry it is correct.
>No evidence for manmade CO2 warming.
>
that there was no evidence that smoking caused lung cancer.
>
>> The Decadal Land-Surface Average Temperature by the Berkley Earth Team
>> clearly shows warming.
>> http://berkeleyearth.org/images/decadal-surface-temperature-anomaly-comparison.jpg
>>
>>
>> http://www.skepticalscience.com/empirical-evidence-for-global-warming.htm
>>
>> ".....Satellite and surface measurements find less energy
>
>Less than what?
>
>> is escaping
>> to space at CO2 absorption wavelengths.
>>
energy that escapes to space is less than the amount emitted from the
earths surface.
IOW on its way through the atmosphere, a proportion of the energy is
being absorbed, thus warming the air and causing the CO2 greenhouse
effect.
>>
>>Ocean and surface temperature
>> measurements find the planet continues to accumulate heat. This gives
>> a line of empirical evidence that human CO2 emissions are causing
>> global warming."
>>
>>
>> The following graph shows that since 1979 the amount of Arctic sea ice
>> measured in September each year has been declined at an average rate
>> of 12% per decade, with a faster decline since 1998.
>> ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/DATASETS/NOAA/G02135/Sep/N_09_plot.png
>
>
>Like in 1923 you mean?
>
combine with satellite data.
<snip>
>
>
>> And according to the following paper,
>>
>> Acceleration of the contribution of the Greenland and Antarctic ice
>> sheets to sea level rise
>> Monaghan et al.
>> GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH LETTERS, VOL. 38, L05503
>> http://ess.uci.edu/researchgrp/velicogna/files/rignot_etal_grl2011.pdf
>>
>> "..... we determine that ice sheet loss is accelerating by
>> 36.3 +/- 2 Gigatonnes per year per year, or 3 times larger than from
>> mountain glaciers and ice caps (GIC). The magnitude of the
>> acceleration suggests that ice sheets will be the dominant
>> contributors to sea level rise in forthcoming decades, and will likely
>> exceed the IPCC projections for the contribution of ice sheets to sea
>> level rise in the 21st century [Meehl et al., 2007]...."
>>
<snip>
>
>> And according to the following paper,
>>
>> Acceleration of the contribution of the Greenland and Antarctic ice
>> sheets to sea level rise
>> Monaghan et al.
>> GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH LETTERS, VOL. 38, L05503
>> http://ess.uci.edu/researchgrp/velicogna/files/rignot_etal_grl2011.pdf
>>
>> "..... we determine that ice sheet loss is accelerating by
>> 36.3 +/- 2 Gigatonnes per year per year, or 3 times larger than from
>> mountain glaciers and ice caps (GIC). The magnitude of the
>> acceleration suggests that ice sheets will be the dominant
>> contributors to sea level rise in forthcoming decades, and will likely
>> exceed the IPCC projections for the contribution of ice sheets to sea
>> level rise in the 21st century [Meehl et al., 2007]...."
>>
>
>Temperatures are running far below normal in Antarctica, and they are having
>the heaviest snowfall in years.
>
respective trendlines.
But that doesn't alter the observed fact that on average ice sheet
loss is accelerating.
>
>AND whatever happened to the "catastrophic" Greenland glacier retreat of
>1940 then?
>
meaningful conclusion.
<snip>
>
>http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/40934044?searchTerm=greenland%20%20melting&searchLimits=
>
>
>"Fudger" Hansen has recently determined that the temperature measurements
>from Greenland in 1940 were "suspiciously" too high, and has whacked a
>couple of degrees of of them.
>
What Hansen may have done is irrelevant here.
>http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/40934044?searchTerm=greenland%20%20melting&searchLimits=
>
>
>"Fudger" Hansen has recently determined that the temperature measurements
>from Greenland in 1940 were "suspiciously" too high, and has whacked a
>couple of degrees of of them.
>
The evidence I gave was "The Decadal Land-Surface Average Temperature
by the Berkley Earth Team", and that shows warming.
http://berkeleyearth.org/images/decadal-surface-temperature-anomaly-comparison.jpg
AGGWHhoax
Mar 3, 2012, 2:07:37 AM3/3/12
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"Surfer" <n...@spam.invalid> wrote in message
> On Sat, 3 Mar 2012 16:24:26 +1100, "AGGWHhoax" <AGGWHhoax@AGGWHhoax>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Surfer" <n...@spam.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:vd93l7lvohqt1c62v...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 3 Mar 2012 15:40:06 +1100, "AGGWHhoax" <AGGWHhoax@AGGWHhoax>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of
>>>>perhaps
>>>>US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of
>>>>scientists
>>>>worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is
>>>>distinct
>>>>from natural variation."
>>>>
>>>>Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University,
>>>>Townsville
>>>>
>>>
>>> That is a false claim.
>>
>>Sorry it is correct.
>>No evidence for manmade CO2 warming.
>>
> That's a head in the sand opinion,
That's a struly scientific position, NOT OPINION!
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Surfer" <n...@spam.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:vd93l7lvohqt1c62v...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 3 Mar 2012 15:40:06 +1100, "AGGWHhoax" <AGGWHhoax@AGGWHhoax>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of
>>>>perhaps
>>>>US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of
>>>>scientists
>>>>worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is
>>>>distinct
>>>>from natural variation."
>>>>
>>>>Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University,
>>>>Townsville
>>>>
>>>
>>> That is a false claim.
>>
>>Sorry it is correct.
>>No evidence for manmade CO2 warming.
>>
> That's a head in the sand opinion,
The null hypothesis is the staring point and so far holds.
> like the claims of not so long ago
> that there was no evidence that smoking caused lung cancer.
There was solid evidence for the causes of lung cancer.
Warmest Regards
B O N Z O
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists
worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
from natural variation."
Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists
worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
from natural variation."
Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
Oy Rool Out a Carbon Tax
Mar 3, 2012, 8:42:46 AM3/3/12
to
On 3/03/2012 6:02 PM, Surfer wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Mar 2012 16:24:26 +1100, "AGGWHhoax"<AGGWHhoax@AGGWHhoax>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Surfer"<n...@spam.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:vd93l7lvohqt1c62v...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 3 Mar 2012 15:40:06 +1100, "AGGWHhoax"<AGGWHhoax@AGGWHhoax>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
>>>> US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of
>>>> scientists
>>>> worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
>>> >from natural variation."
>>>>
>>>> Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University,
>>>> Townsville
>>>>
>>>
>>> That is a false claim.
>>
>> Sorry it is correct.
>> No evidence for manmade CO2 warming.
>>
> That's a head in the sand opinion, like the claims of not so long ago
> that there was no evidence that smoking caused lung cancer.
Difference being that over time, evidence for smoking-related health
> On Sat, 3 Mar 2012 16:24:26 +1100, "AGGWHhoax"<AGGWHhoax@AGGWHhoax>
> wrote:
>
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>> "Surfer"<n...@spam.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:vd93l7lvohqt1c62v...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 3 Mar 2012 15:40:06 +1100, "AGGWHhoax"<AGGWHhoax@AGGWHhoax>
>>> wrote:
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>>>>
>>>> "It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
>>>> US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of
>>>> scientists
>>>> worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
>>> >from natural variation."
>>>>
>>>> Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University,
>>>> Townsville
>>>>
>>>
>>> That is a false claim.
>>
>> Sorry it is correct.
>> No evidence for manmade CO2 warming.
>>
> That's a head in the sand opinion, like the claims of not so long ago
> that there was no evidence that smoking caused lung cancer.
risks became stronger and stronger. By contrast, as time passes and data
accumulates, evidence for AGW is becoming weaker and weaker. Only
evidence for the scam is on the (ever) increase.
--
"If we cut emissions today, global temperatures are not likely to drop
for about a thousand years. "
-- Tim (it ain't a gonna rain no more) Flannery
- Australian Climate Commissar
Doug Bashford
Mar 9, 2012, 9:05:07 PM3/9/12
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bout: Re: Poor, Deluded Alarmists Don't Have Any Real
Targets To Hit Back At [Sob ..];
It often seems they want to return us to
the Dark Ages. Now *WHO* could desire absolute
theocracy and the suppression of thought itself??
Clue: Why was William Tydale burned at the stake?
Global Warming denial propaganda is not an Evil
Plot by Wall Street and the Oil industry.
It's simple economics.
The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
The rational change their world view to fit the facts.
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