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Dave Mennenoh

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Oct 11, 2007, 6:10:44 PM10/11/07
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I had an idea for a pm the other day... seems too simple, but I keep
thinking it should work. Essentially it is this: take a volume of H2O and
place it in a vacuum - it will boil at room temp - forever right? Suspend an
array of piezo electric generators above the boil so that the bubbles tap
the generators and produce electricity?

Anyone think this sounds workable?

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Dave Mennenoh

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Oct 11, 2007, 7:26:04 PM10/11/07
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I suppose the water will boil until it freezes, won't it. Would a partial
vacuum work? hmmmm

harry k

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Nov 11, 2007, 11:35:07 AM11/11/07
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On Oct 11, 2:10 pm, "Dave Mennenoh" <d...@blurredistinction.com>
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Have you considered the cost of maintaining the vacuum? It will far
outweigh any possible energy return.

Harry K

Vince Morgan

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Nov 29, 2007, 4:21:14 AM11/29/07
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"harry k" <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Oct 11, 2:10 pm, "Dave Mennenoh" <d...@blurredistinction.com>
> wrote:
> > I had an idea for a pm the other day... seems too simple, but I keep
> > thinking it should work. Essentially it is this: take a volume of H2O
and
> > place it in a vacuum - it will boil at room temp - forever right?
Suspend an
> > array of piezo electric generators above the boil so that the bubbles
tap
> > the generators and produce electricity?
> >
> > Anyone think this sounds workable?

Nope. The water will boil until it has lost enough thermal energy to
freeze, and then the boiling stops. If you add enough heat then, it will
again boil. But then you are back where you started before the vacuum.
Vince


SB

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Mar 3, 2008, 4:15:15 PM3/3/08
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I wonder what would happen if you hit vacumm solution with 22-25khz sound
waves...to cavitate the bubbles.


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Mr A Clarke

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Mar 4, 2008, 5:16:47 PM3/4/08
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"SB" <sme...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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All mechanical contraptions can be made workable for over-unity with
minor modifications to their theoretical construction!
It`s not what you are doing which is wrong but the way you`re doing it.


harry k

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Mar 6, 2008, 11:23:27 AM3/6/08
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On Mar 4, 2:16 pm, "Mr A Clarke" <aclarke2...@toucansurf.com> wrote:
> "SB" <sme...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> news:CoWdnd9Ca_7p91Ha...@comcast.com...
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>
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> >I wonder what would happen if you hit vacumm  solution with 22-25khz sound
> >waves...to cavitate the bubbles.
>
> > "Vince Morgan" <vinharAtHereoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> >news:474e842e$0$20911$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
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> >> "harry k" <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> >>news:1194798907.5...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> >>> On Oct 11, 2:10 pm, "Dave Mennenoh" <d...@blurredistinction.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > I had an idea for a pm the other day... seems too simple, but I keep
> >>> > thinking it should work. Essentially it is this: take a volume of H2O
> >> and
> >>> > place it in a vacuum - it will boil at room temp - forever right?
> >> Suspend an
> >>> > array of piezo electric generators above the boil so that the bubbles
> >> tap
> >>> > the generators and produce electricity?
>
> >>> > Anyone think this sounds workable?
>
> >> Nope.  The water will boil until it has lost enough thermal energy to
> >> freeze, and then the boiling stops.  If you add enough heat then, it will
> >> again boil.  But then you are back where you started before the vacuum.
> >> Vince
>
>    All mechanical contraptions can be made workable for over-unity with
> minor modifications to their theoretical construction!
>    It`s not what you are doing which is wrong but the way you`re doing it.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

Well if it is such a minor thing, why hasn't it been done? The kooks
have been trying for a hundred years now.

Harry K

Mr A Clarke

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Mar 6, 2008, 3:25:50 PM3/6/08
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"harry k" <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"I`ll show what I want".

Well if it is such a minor thing, why hasn't it been done? The kooks
have been trying for a hundred years now.

Harry K

"Thoughts of a non-ceasing power go way back in history tens of thousands of
years".
"There are several factors which have prevented the development of
Perpetual-Motion;
the main one being the development of the Human Brain; we haven`t always
been as
generally intelligent as we are today".
"The other main factor of prevention is the question of Perpetual Motions'
usefullness".
"Animals already have Perpetual systems built-in and have survived since the
first
beginnings of life utilising them unconciously". "Heating, Cooking and
Powered Transport
are also relatively new inventions - taken for granted"!
"Science has gone through many stages throughout the ages but has always
reflected on
the requirements of the Civilization in focus at that period of time".

"My personal success in discovering the phenomena of Perpetual Motion is
through
analyzing EVERYTHING within my environment, mentally adding and subtracting
forces and imagining what would happen to it. Contemporary Science doesn`t
work
in this fashion".
"From these observations (to double quote) there are clear similarities with
the way
forces operate to move objects".

Ashley Clarke.


harry k

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Mar 8, 2008, 12:08:28 PM3/8/08
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On Mar 6, 12:25 pm, "Mr A Clarke" <aclarke2...@toucansurf.com> wrote:
> "harry k" <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

Don't need to see much more than "animals have perpetual motion" to
recognize a certifiable kook.

Yes, there have been dreams of over-unity for ever. Too bad that the
laws of physics make it impossible. Again: If it is a 'Minor
adjusstment" - have at it. I will be one of the happiest around to
find out I am wrong.


Harry K

Mr A Clarke

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Mar 8, 2008, 1:19:45 PM3/8/08
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"harry k" <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 6, 12:25 pm, "Mr A Clarke" <aclarke2...@toucansurf.com> wrote:

> Don't need to see much more than "animals have perpetual motion" to
> recognize a certifiable kook.

Certified? Under what catagory?
It`s plain to observe that species have replicated over millions of years
and that certain cells exhibit more energy than they consume.

> Yes, there have been dreams of over-unity for ever. Too bad that the
> laws of physics make it impossible. Again: If it is a 'Minor
> adjusstment" - have at it. I will be one of the happiest around to
> find out I am wrong.
>
> Harry K

You won`t be dissapointed. I guarantee!


harry k

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Mar 8, 2008, 10:42:26 PM3/8/08
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On Mar 8, 10:19 am, "Mr A Clarke" <aclarke2...@toucansurf.com> wrote:
> "harry k" <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

WTH!!?? What does normal reproduction have to do with perpetual
motion? I am sure the physicists will be stunned to find out that
there are cells out there that never import food or energy. If you
can prove that, a Nobel prize and fame awaits yuou.

That post has to be one of the dumbest ones I have ever seen in print.

Harry K

Mr A Clarke

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Mar 9, 2008, 5:47:42 PM3/9/08
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"harry k" <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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That`s a good answer, thankyou.
I fully understand that if you can`t see a way Perpetual Motion can work
then how could it relate to anything else?!

Perpetual Motion discovery is maybe too controversial to win a Nobel
Prize?

I don`t claim to know everything either.

Ashley Clarke.

harry k

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Mar 9, 2008, 8:43:10 PM3/9/08
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> Ashley Clarke.- Hide quoted text -

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From your posts I would say you know dick all about physics.

Harry K

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