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akh...@netdoor.com

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Nov 17, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/17/97
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Hello, all.
I'm a recent follower (reader only) of this newgroup, so I have a couple
of questions. The First: Didn't Tesla come up with some sort of "free
energy collector"? I've heard and read rumors of such, but I can't seem
to find any information.
and now the second: Are there any reccomended links for someone
looking to become independant of the local electric company?
Thanks for any help.


Gene Alan Townsend

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Nov 18, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/18/97
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Tesla invented AC electrical machines, like motors, generators, and
transformers. He never invented any free energy devices, NOR HAS
ANYONE. However, as often happens to great people, he went a little
nutty in his old age, believing he was in touch with alien
intelligence. In this time, he did a lot of whacky science. A lot of
present day dillusionaries have rallied around his call.

Best place to go is the "Home Power Magazine" web site.

Cheers,

Gene A. Townsend

philip de cadenet

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Nov 19, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/19/97
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Hi Gene,

>Tesla invented AC electrical machines, like motors, generators, and
>transformers. He never invented any free energy devices, NOR HAS
>ANYONE. However, as often happens to great people, he went a little
>nutty in his old age, believing he was in touch with alien
>intelligence. In this time, he did a lot of whacky science. A lot of
>present day dillusionaries have rallied around his call.
>
>Best place to go is the "Home Power Magazine" web site.
You seem to be an enlightened fella with strong views on these subjects.
I wonder what your views are on zero or near zero emissions high milage
EFI (electronic fuel injection) ideas which have been banded about now
for many years.
The proponents of this technology seem to say that the introduction (for
vested interests) of additives into gasoline are to nothing more than an
attempt to cancel any improvements in combustion by choking up the
catalysers.
I hope I've explained that correctly!
Always wishing to play 'devils advocate' I did do a search on the Pogue
carburettor which proportedly offered nearly 200mpg back in the 30's.
Both the patent and the carb did, it seem exist. Our good friend Henry
Ford bought the patent and duly shelved the idea.
I wonder why, maybe it did'nt work after all?

Philip de Cadenet. / UK

akh...@netdoor.com

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Nov 20, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/20/97
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Thanks for the help, Gene. You seem to be quite knowledgable in this
area. I wasn't aware of Tesla's dementia. It must be contaigous,
however, because someone recently tried to hard-sell me into buying a
Tesla T-SHIRT (supposedly to help support a Tesla Non-profit group).
Anyway, I see alot of help requests on the groups I susbscribe to, but
not many thank-you's. I figured it was about time I saw one. Thanks
again.


Gene Alan Townsend

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Nov 21, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/21/97
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philip de cadenet wrote:


> I wonder what your views are on zero or near zero emissions high milage
> EFI (electronic fuel injection) ideas which have been banded about now
> for many years.
> The proponents of this technology seem to say that the introduction (for
> vested interests) of additives into gasoline are to nothing more than an
> attempt to cancel any improvements in combustion by choking up the
> catalysers.

Philip:

I don't have any strong feeling on EFI. It's not really my field of
interest. Generally, the auto manufacturers are a closed group of
insiders. They do not accept developments from outside entities.

Don Lancaster, in his book "The Secret Money Machine", calls this the
NIH (not invented here) syndrome.

> I hope I've explained that correctly!
> Always wishing to play 'devils advocate' I did do a search on the Pogue
> carburettor which proportedly offered nearly 200mpg back in the 30's.
> Both the patent and the carb did, it seem exist. Our good friend Henry
> Ford bought the patent and duly shelved the idea.
> I wonder why, maybe it did'nt work after all?

I am familiar with the common "vapor carburetor" high mileage carb scams
from the sixties and seventies. Was the Pogue a vapor type?

The vapor carbureror was the first carburetor used with gas engines.
Originally, they were large, shallow tanks of gasoline, with close
fitting lids, the intake air being drawn over the surface of the fuel.
These were used with huge stationary engines circa 1890.

The vapor carburetor is able to raise the efficiency of the engine by
around 10 to 15% by ensuring that no raw fuel enters the intake
manifold, and that therefore the amount of fuel delivered per cylinder
is the same, provided an extremely lean mixture is used.

The engine will run with a leaner mixture in this manner than is
possible with either a standard jetted carb or fuel injection. However,
this results in reduced specific output power. It also requires a
change in ignition timing.

Vapor carbs are impractical. They make the engine very hard to start,
and are inherently dangerous, since a volume of air-fuel mix is sitting
there ready to ignite should a backfire occur.

Anyway, today's cars don't have carburetors anyway. So I guess the days
of the 200 mpg carb scam are over! Does anyone have a 200 mpg chip set
for my fueld injection computer? ;-)

Just kidding. I drive an old Toyota Corolla with standard carb.


Regards,

Gene A. Townsend

Edward Stevenson

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Nov 24, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/24/97
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Gene Alan Townsend <wi...@primenet.com> wrote:
>akh...@netdoor.com wrote:
>>
>> Hello, all.
>> I'm a recent follower (reader only) of this newgroup, so I have a couple
>> of questions. The First: Didn't Tesla come up with some sort of "free
>> energy collector"? I've heard and read rumors of such, but I can't seem
>> to find any information.
>> and now the second: Are there any reccomended links for someone
>> looking to become independant of the local electric company?
>> Thanks for any help.
>
>Tesla invented AC electrical machines, like motors, generators, and
>transformers. He never invented any free energy devices, NOR HAS
>ANYONE.


Interesting you should say that. The atom has been running for billions
of years without running down. Yet clearly, no machine, even the atom, is
totally perfect.

Of course, we have gravity in the presence of the atom. Perhaps, just
perhaps, the atom is burning a fuel we cannot see, and thus sustaining
it's impossible lifespan.


> However, as often happens to great people, he went a little
>nutty in his old age, believing he was in touch with alien
>intelligence. In this time, he did a lot of whacky science. A lot of
>present day dillusionaries have rallied around his call.
>
>Best place to go is the "Home Power Magazine" web site.
>

>Cheers,
>
>Gene A. Townsend

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