I don't want to start a bad conversation here but i found something
incredible in the web site of Kathy.
Here's what i found...
http://www.kathywestmoreland.us/askkathy.html
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Dear Kathy,
Is it true that Elvis was dying of bone cancer? And when did Charlie
Hodge & Dr. Nick tell you about it - 1976 or 1977? Is it true Elvis had
maybe 3 heart attacks before the last one?
Ray Covey
Dear Ray,
Yes, Elvis had bone cancer. He told me himself when I first met him in
August 1970. Also, the doctors told three of us the day of the funeral, that
it had been confirmed during the autopsy. It had spread all over his body,
but is NOT what killed him. Just caused SEVERE PAIN and exhaustion. When
cancer spreads to the glands, it also causes bloating. Elvis got bloated for
more than one reason. It was NOT FAT! IT was WATER RETENTION from the
congestive heart disease, the spread of the cancer to the glands, and the
twisted, spastic colon. I could just touch his hands, and my touch left an
indentation. He would just look at them, stare and say..."look, swollen,
bloated again....water." It hurt him greatly that people thought he was
'just fat' as he said. One day he would appear bloated(which is what all the
news shows--the tabloids in particular) and the VERY NEXT DAY, he would
appear his normal, svelte thin self(which the media NEVER DOCUMENTED). This
is going to be shown to be true in a new book that is coming out by a fan, a
dear friend, Sandi Pichon, who followed our tours and who took photos from
day to day. Guess History is just stuck with this Falsehood about an
important historical figure, too, sadly. And about the HEART ATTACKS...Yes,
he had at least THREE just prior to his death. One occurred while I was
taking care of him in Baltimore, Maryland. He just refused to go to a
hospital, to lie there and 'wait to die'...said,"I want to die on
stage"...... Elvis also suffered from pernicious anemia (his body could not
metabolize B complex vitamins), diabetes, GLAUCOMA--extremely painful
vascular headaches from this, and seizures (inflammation of the brain from
all of the illnesses...which, if you read about seizure disorders can make a
person APPEAR TO BE DRUNK OR DRUGGED. CHECK OUT 'EPILEPTIC SEIZURES' OR
SEIZURE DISORDERS. THEY MAKE ONE APPEAR TO BE DRUGGED OR DRUNK on many
occasions. Also, Elvis and his dad were sufferers of 'sleepwalking'...when
Elvis was a child, he found himself outside in his underwear. He was so
embarrassed. We always had someone guarding the door of our room so he would
not just walk out in his pajamas! I caught him many times doing this. He
would bump into things and injure himself on occasion. THIS WAS A CLINICAL
SLEEP DISORDER.....thus the sleeping pills to help here, and remember, no
one knew THEN what we know NOW...about how dangerous prescription drugs (he
only took five -6 different ones) Are.... There were NO BETTY FORD CLINICS
THEN. We all trusted doctors implicitly in those days. Elvis HATED ILLEGAL
DRUGS, and really wanted to be a doctor. He had TOTAL trust in them. In
defense of the physicians who treated Elvis, THEY DID NOT KNOW OF THE
DANGERS IN THOSE DAYS EITHER! Thanks for the fantastic question. Sure wish
the entire world really wanted to know the TRUTH and not just scandalous
trash about anyone. It still grieves me.
Kathy
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The story about the bone cancer and 3 heart attacks is true??? I am
completely astonished by that, I thought that it was only a rumour. If those
facts are true, well, this revelation is totally new for me and i understand
more things about his health now.
As far as I can remember, Kathy, Grob and Charlie are the only ones telling
this story and it's highly unlikely for a few reasons, but the ficticious
'cancer' story was allegedly planted into Charlie's brain by Vernon so that he
can see who was talking and who wasn't. Marty'll tell you.
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well, if it was confirmed during autopsy, there should be records of that.
but ask yourself this....
why would Elvis' family and the 'estate' allow the world to think elvis was
a prescription drug addict, while all they would have to do is to release
and reveal the truth? that would have won him huge sympathy and
understanding. instead, we are still quarreling about his dependance... in
2004......
.H.
"happy" <ha...@smiling.com> wrote in message
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True but a lot of people are like some in the media in that they think they
have a right to know what was or wasn't found in the autopsy report. Why
should've anyone outside of Elvis's family and maybe close friends had a need
to know?
Oh, he was a celebrity? Still doesn't give you or me or anyone else the right
to see what they found during the autopsy.
The absurdity of the public's/media's right to know argument is shown in one
of the biographies or books dealing with Elvis and his death. At least one
author claimed Vernon, knowing about Elvis's drug use, ordered the autopsy so
as to beat the state from ordering an autopsy, so that was found during the
autopsy would stay private and keep the results from being made public. Vernon,
who was so filled with grief that others around him thought it possible the
shock of Elvis's death might kill him as well -- he was coherent enough to know
an autopsy ordered by the next of kin stays private versus a state ordered
autopsy is public information? Give me a break.
The fact is, I think Elvis's family, friends and even the fans knew what was
coming long before it happened. You can't deny the drug problems but you can't
deny the health problems he had and combined with being on the road much of the
time, it wasn't hard to see death as the inevitable outcome, whether it was the
result of an overdose or from heart failure brought about by being run ragged.
But, the autopsy report is still a private medical record and Elvis's family
is under no obligation to make it available to the public. Would it really make
that much difference? Not to the news media: they would probably give it little
or no coverage.
The news media has done its Orwellian damage -- it sold the public long ago
on the cause of death as being an overdose. If it was revealed the autopsy
determined the cause of death was from a heart attack, the public would still
believe overdose
And I'd be willing to bet that some in the media would still be crying
conspiracy if nothing in the report contradicted what was said twenty-seven
years ago.
If everything is true (bone cancer, 3 heart attacks, etc,), i think it's
time to say the truth and it's time to erase the fact that the drugs are the
principal cause of his death. I'm neutral in this story because i never met
Elvis and i'm not a doctor. But i think it's time to say that he was
unfortunately physically sick. Like i always said, Elvis got an unbelievable
talent, an incredible life but he was human. He got a lucky life, but if the
sickness is the main reason of his death or the deterioration of his
physical condition in the last 7 years of his life. The truth must be known
to replace the fact that he was only addicted to drugs. I don't like to read
different stories about that.
That's my opinion! :)
"H" <d_...@rogers.com> a écrit dans le message de
news: -NadncFvA8f...@rogers.com...
>http://www.findadeath.com/Decesed/p/Elvis%20Presley/Autopsy%202.JPG
>
It says nothing, pointess to post.
Jordan, I hope your penmanship is better than that.
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"Charmaine Jensen" <charmai...@sympatico.ca> a écrit dans le message de
news: VQixd.2327$Z%3.6...@news20.bellglobal.com...
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> "happy" <ha...@smiling.com> wrote in message
> news:10sb74c...@corp.supernews.com...
>> well, if it was confirmed during autopsy, there should be records of
>> that.
>
> Here is something that I found in reference to an autopsy report:-
>
> http://www.findadeath.com/Decesed/p/Elvis%20Presley/Autopsy%201.JPG
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> http://www.findadeath.com/Decesed/p/Elvis%20Presley/Autopsy%202.JPG
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>
>
Like I said, the autopsy is sealed and only Lisa Marie can reveal it.
Marty
"Shazam/TCB" <vinc...@videotron.ca> wrote in message
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Rebecca
> IT'S ALL BULLSHIT.
>
> Like I said, the autopsy is sealed and only Lisa Marie can reveal it.
>
> Marty
I have reading somewhere that Vernon closed this (for publication) in 1977
for the next 50 years! Is this true?
Mylema
He had the colon problem but he also had a problem with his liver as his
mother and Uncle Travis did. That also causes bloat.
Marty
Yes.
Marty
as does heart failure. it will cause one to bloat as the body is not able to
get rid of all the fluids. that will also cause huge changes in appereance
(bloated vs. normal) while the weight of the person in question will only
differ some pounds.
Colin B
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Colin B wrote:
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> If that's true, looks like I won't be reading it !
>
> Colin B
>
It's only 23 more years. You can hold on that long can't ya?
Bill
We already know or have heard all this.
If you want to help, leave bad enough alone.
~Aladdin
i think it can also cause the facial area to bloat
Well, I suppose I might at that !
Colin B
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Hardly :)
-Mr. Squiggly
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Interesting thread. It's possible that Elvis suffered from MILD CHF
(Congestive Heart Failure) some of Dr. Nick's notes have Lasix (a strong
diuretic) in Elvis' touring schedule of meds. Also, it does affect
people differently. Some people bloat exclusively in the lower
extremities, while it appeared Elvis' bloat was around the midsection
and none of his extremities. His face bloat during a portion of October
'73 and in June of '77 look more cushingoid than CHF which may correlate
with his use of cortisone for his intestinal problem. If he suffered
from anything other than mild CHF, the dilaudid and other CNS
deppresants would have made breathing a bit more difficult.
-Jordan
Charmaine Jensen wrote:
> "happy" <ha...@smiling.com> wrote in message
> news:10sb74c...@corp.supernews.com...
>
>>well, if it was confirmed during autopsy, there should be records of that.
>
>
> Here is something that I found in reference to an autopsy report:-
>
> http://www.findadeath.com/Decesed/p/Elvis%20Presley/Autopsy%201.JPG
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> http://www.findadeath.com/Decesed/p/Elvis%20Presley/Autopsy%202.JPG
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>
>
"More than three years before Elvis Presley collapsed and died next to the
toilet at Graceland, the FBI knew the singer was addicted to cocaine,
according to these two informant reports. But did the bureau try and
intervene to save the life of an American hero? Sadly, the answer is no.
They sat by and watched the music die. Please note that, in these reports,
"PC" stands for "person contacted," while "LCN" is the acronym for La Cosa
Nostra, or the Mafia. (4 pages)"
"leconnaway" <lecon...@grandecom.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
10seqv1...@corp.supernews.com...
That is all total bullshit and whoever the so-called informant was, he's
full of shit too.
Anybody can post anything on the internet doesn't mean it's true.
Marty
I always assumed his face was bloated from cortisone. Cortisone gives a
different look to the face and IMHO Elvis had that look.
Could that have explained the episode in the plane where Elvis experienced
some kind of breathing problem and believed he wasn't going to make it and had
the pilot land so he could get to a hospital? And which also could've suggested
an ailment far more severe than he or anyone else realized at the time?
And if memory serves, didn't he end up not going to the hospital for
treatment once the plane landed?
The rest... just crap! :)
"MARTY" <moon...@bellsouth.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
MnMxd.1319$yb3....@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
Toxicologists based at the University of Utah have completed laboratory studies
of autopsy specimens from the body of Elvis Presley and have found that 11
drugs were present in the singer's system at the time of his death, The Tribune
has learned.
All of those drugs were consistent with medical treatment, said the director of
the Center for Human Toxicology, Dr. Bryan S. Finkle. He spoke to The Tribune
in an exclusive interview. The Center had been called in to provide a third
toxicological analysis of typical autopsy specimens from Presley's body.
He reported, "We have not detected any drug in Elvis that doesn't have a
medical rationale to it - only agents prescribed for perfectly normal, rational
medical reasons."
Dr. Finkle said the singer had not been drinking prior to his sudden death,
which reportedly was blamed on an erratic heartbeat, last Aug. 16. Efforts by
the Tribune to obtain a copy of the report by the Center for Human Toxicology
have not been successful.
The Center received the first of the autopsy specimens on Oct. 4, and when The
Tribune learned of this Dr. Finkle postponed requested interviews for
professional reasons as he was acting in a consultant's role and in that,
cannot talk in specifics.
He spoke, when interviewed, in general that, yes, he had been involved in the
case and that he found 11 drugs, all consistent with medical treatment. Of
course, that the entertainer did have prescription drugs in his system at the
time of death has previously been reported. Most accounts mentioned from eight
to 10 drugs.
The Center for Human Toxicology, which has an international reputation among
toxicologists and forensic scientists, was the third organization called in in
this phase of the Presley autopsy. The others were the Baptist Memorial
Hospital in Memphis, Tenn.,and Bio-Science Laboratories, Van Nuys, Calif.
Bio-Science requested the Center of Human Toxicology conduct the third
examination, said Dr. Finkle.
While certain agencies, including the center based at the University of Utah,
and the Shelby County, Tennessee, Medical Examiner's Office, involved in this
story receive public monies, it appears unlikely that there will be disclosure
of specifics about the toxicological analysis. The autopsy performed was done
at the request of the Presley family.
In a nutshell, rights of privacy prevail and the parties appear to have no
legal duty and are not compelled to disclose certain documents, in particular
the toxicological report of the Center for Human Toxicology.
Dr. Finkle, as a consultant in the Presley case, said he wrote a two-page
report based on his findings at the request of Bio-Science. In it he lists the
found drugs, their concentrations and he concludes with an opinion as to the
potential or possible toxicological consequences of having this number of drugs
in these concentrations in a body.
The laboratory results here apparently satisfied Shelby County Medical Examiner
Dr. Jerry T. Francisco that Presley's death could not be attributed to drug
overdose. However , it was learned that the death certificate was signed before
the final Finkle report was mailed. Dr. Finkle's opinion was solicited earlier
by a phone call, and Dr. Francisco later said publicly that the prescriptions
drugs found in the singer's system were not a contributing factor.
The Associated Press, reporting on a press conference Dr. Francisco called last
Oct. 21, quoted the medical examiner as saying that four drugs were found in
significant quantities in the entertainer's bloodstream.
They are Ethinamate, Methaqualone, codeine and barbiturates. The first two are
sedatives; codeine is a narcotic analgesic or milder, secondary pain killer,
and barbiturates are "downers" or sedatives or depressants. Dr. Francisco was
quoted as saying that four other drugs-the antihistamine chlorpheniramine,
meperidine, morphine and Valium-were found in what were said to be
insignificant amounts.
Meperidine and morphine are pain killers and Valium is a tranquilizer. Presley
was not taking morphine per se; the morphine was a byproduct of the codeine.
The AP said Dr. Francisco said the amount of drugs found in Presley's body,
collectively, would not have constituted a drug overdose. And he said it was
unlikely that the drugs' chemical reactions within the body could have
contributed to his death.
He said Presley died of a heart disease. "Had these drugs not been there, he
still would have died." Dr. Francisco was quoted as saying that the press
conference. But at this time the Finkle report was not in hand. It was not
completed until December.
Nonetheless, the death certificate was signed at a point-just prior to the
release of the Finkle report-where tests were sufficiently completed so that
authorities could conclude that the drugs did not contribute to the death.
Officially, Dr. Francisco said in Memphis in October that Presley's death was
caused by hypertensive heart disease with coronary artery disease as a
contributing factor. The autopsy was conducted by Dr. Eric Muirhead, chief of
pathology at Baptist Memorial Hospital. The autopsy was reportedly most
thorough.
While Dr. Finkle would not be specific, he did give some solid information. He
said that he found no Ritalin in the specimens. Ritalin is a stimulant and a
trade name for preparations of methylphenidate. Dr. Finkle said he had been
specifically asked to look for this drug among other agents.
As a toxicologist and not a medical doctor, Dr. Finkle will not even remotely
discuss or determine cause of death. If he has an opinion he is keeping it to
himself.
The 42-year-old- Presley was found face down on the floor of a bathroom at
Graceland, his 18-room mansion, at 2:30 p.m. Aug. 16. He had been last seen
alive that day about 6 a.m. after playing racquet ball with members of his
entourage. He was a sick man. He had hypertension and a colon problem. Efforts
to revive the singer were abandoned that day at 3:30 p.m. at Baptist Memorial
Hospital.
The autopsy was reportedly very thorough and careful with several doctors
participating. Dr. Finkle explained that it is routine in any medical-legal
investigation for there to be three facets to a scene investigation of what
were the circumstances surrounding the death; the medical-legal autopsy, and
support investigation in clinical or toxicological laboratories.
And, the Presley case was reportedly conducted along routine lines. When taken
to the hospital, there was reportedly suspicion that Presley died of what might
loosely be called a heart attack; there were signs of cardiac arrest and
cardiovascular blood flow problems. Autopsy specimens were routinely sent to
the laboratory, and it was decided to have two toxicology labs do the work-the
hospital's and Bio-Science. Dr. Finkle said, "as far as I know" there was no
conflict between the two toxicologists, but there was some medical opinion
differences as to what quantitative amounts of the drugs might mean relative to
Presley's death.
The physician who conducted the autopsy, Dr. Muirhead, did not respond to a
telephone call and letters from The Tribune. Shelby County Medical Examiner Dr.
Francisco responded that the autopsy was done at the family request and with
family authorization by the pathology staff of Baptist Memorial Hospital. This
separated him for authorized toxicology studied and he is unauthorized to
release any reports, he said.
"What he have done," said Dr. Finkle, "is to conduct a routine, complete series
of forensic toxicological analyses on specimens and determine quantitatively
what drugs were present in the victim and in what breakdown and we were asked
what this means: is it germane to his death, did he die of drugs or didn't he?"
said Dr. Finkle.
Presley's illnesses included hypertension, some cardiovascular compromise and a
colon obstruction. He fought a losing battle with a weight problem for several
years.
"As a toxicologist, if you ask me why he had the drugs (in his system), the
answer is that he needed them medically. All the drugs were in a range
consistent with therapy and therapeutic requirements for known conditions of
illnesses which he had," Dr. Finkle said.
Mary
Strangely I don't see any hint of cancer all thru his body or 3 heart attacks
noted in here.
>He reported, "We have not detected any drug in Elvis that doesn't have a
>medical rationale to it - only agents prescribed for perfectly normal,
>rational
>medical reasons."
How did Elvis miss this guy?
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How many times do I have to say, BULLSHIT!
Why do you continue to post this bogus crap?
Marty
As does prednisone. I've been on prednisone since April of this year. I
recently saw some friends I hadn't seen in a while and she said she was
shocked at how bloated my face was.
Rebecca