On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:21:13 -0500, Elvi...@webtv.net (Kevin) wrote: >>>>Whenever a fan blames Elvis' death on >>>>somebody else, I get a mental picture of >>>>the accused tying Elvis to his barber chair >>>>while cramming pills, burnt bacon and >>>>endless spoons of peanut butter down his >>>>throat.
>>>Funny one, Kevin, I like your wit.
>>t's not wit. It's one of Kevin's fantasies. >>Richard
Richard Palmer wrote: > On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:21:13 -0500, Elvi...@webtv.net (Kevin) wrote:
>>>>> Whenever a fan blames Elvis' death on >>>>> somebody else, I get a mental picture of >>>>> the accused tying Elvis to his barber chair >>>>> while cramming pills, burnt bacon and >>>>> endless spoons of peanut butter down his >>>>> throat. >>>> Funny one, Kevin, I like your wit. >>> t's not wit. It's one of Kevin's fantasies. >>> Richard >> Do they have dandelions in England?
>> Kevin
> Have them? I am one.
> Richard
So YOU'RE the one the Stones wrote that song about.
>Richard Palmer wrote: >> On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:21:13 -0500, Elvi...@webtv.net (Kevin) wrote:
>>>>>> Whenever a fan blames Elvis' death on >>>>>> somebody else, I get a mental picture of >>>>>> the accused tying Elvis to his barber chair >>>>>> while cramming pills, burnt bacon and >>>>>> endless spoons of peanut butter down his >>>>>> throat. >>>>> Funny one, Kevin, I like your wit. >>>> t's not wit. It's one of Kevin's fantasies. >>>> Richard >>> Do they have dandelions in England?
>>> Kevin
>> Have them? I am one.
>> Richard
>So YOU'RE the one the Stones wrote that song about.
>Bill
I tell no lies, and I'll make you wise, plus, I'm getting to be bald enough on top so it looks like somebody blew my hair away.
> > >> Whenever a fan blames Elvis' death on > > >> somebody else, I get a mental picture of > > >> the accused tying Elvis to his barber chair > > >> while cramming pills, burnt bacon and > > >> endless spoons of peanut butter down his > > >> throat.
> > > Funny one, Kevin, I like your wit.
> > But on a serious note, Kevin would realise that Elvis increased that > > destructive behaviour as a result of being bored and unchallenged. Most > > people acknowledge this as a cause of Elvis' demise...and maybe Kevins also!
> > > With Vernon, I don't know if he tried to get Elvis to change his ways. > > > One would think that he would've had more clout with Elvis than anyone
> > But Vernon wasn't very sophisticated in business, nor did he have the > > ability to make Elvis see the light in regard to the Colonel, as Gladys > > Presley would have done.
> > > But, if Elvis wouldn't listen to his > > > father, he wouldn't listen to his friends or to his doctors, would he > > > have listened to the fans?
> > If we stopped buying his stuff, he would have, Elvis loved that lifestyle > > you know, where the money flowed in and then flowed out just as fast.
> > Blair
> Just Taking Elvis off the road wasn't the answer. When he was off the > road he was still doing drugs. So you either have a choice of him > sitting at Graceland doing drugs and not making money. or go on the > road, do drugs, get paid and do what he loved to do which was perform. > Let's remember that Elvis was refusing to get any help. I am talking > about in the mid seventies. Not the early seventies.
> I don't think The Colonel was purposely trying to hurt Elvis. The > Colonel probably didn't know what the hell do with the drug situation > either.
Horseshit! Parker could have sat Elvis down and told him he was not booking him anywhere until Elvis went to someplace like Mayo Clinic and got himself well. Not only from the pills but all of Elvis' ailments, whatever they were. The pills or food didn't make him bloated, it was something else and he needed to take about six months to a year off and just spend as much time as needed at Mayo.
Back then there were not any Betty Ford Clinics but Mayo was one of the best all around medical facilities in the world.
He would also have to tell Elvis that if he tried to get work with another manager he would sue him for everything he's got and then top it off he'd ruin his career. That would have a a great chance of Elvis getting himself well.
Just relying on Dr. Nick or any Memphis facility would not work, he tried that but they could not control him.
The nonsense that we could have done anything is just nonsense. Some of us did talk with him about his pills to no avail. He told us to stop trying to tell him how to live his life and that he knew what he was doing and he was in control of his pills. Typical addict remark. The fans who make those comments about us, don't want to blame Elvis because they think he was perfect and a victim. That's horseshit too. They say that shit because they think it makes them sound good.
I have said this before, the only two people who could legally commit him to a facility was Vernon and Priscilla when she was married to him, neither one tried.
> Horseshit! Parker could have sat Elvis down and told him he was not booking > him anywhere until Elvis went to someplace like Mayo Clinic and got himself > well. Not only from the pills but all of Elvis' ailments, whatever they > were. The pills or food didn't make him bloated, it was something else and > he needed to take about six months to a year off and just spend as much time > as needed at Mayo.
Horseshit indeed lol
What made him bloated then ?
Did he get up and swallow New Hampshire one morning ?
> Why do you bother to go back and forth with this nitwit?
> Most of us have him filtered and when you answer him we read his nonsense > because we usually like your posts.
> Marty
My apologies, Marty. Those of us who are still posting through google can't filter him out. But, he's posted some comments under this particular topic, comments which I thought shouldn't go unchallenged. His comments suggesting Lennon's murder evened things out for Lennon having turned kids on to drugs (if that was what he meant -- I read it that way) struck me as being insensitive and callously cold. His comment in his defense of Parker, as to Vernon having fired members of the MM for their dishonesty was itself dishonest. I'm still wanting to know where he came across that one as I've never heard that one before. But, I've said what I wanted to say and having looked at his replies, he's just repeating himself and I see no need to keep repeating myself.
> > Why do you bother to go back and forth with this nitwit?
> > Most of us have him filtered and when you answer him we read his nonsense > > because we usually like your posts.
> > Marty
> My apologies, Marty. Those of us who are still posting through google > can't filter him out. But, he's posted some comments under this > particular topic, comments which I thought shouldn't go unchallenged. > His comments suggesting Lennon's murder evened things out for Lennon > having turned kids on to drugs (if that was what he meant -- I read it > that way) struck me as being insensitive and callously cold. His > comment in his defense of Parker, as to Vernon having fired members of > the MM for their dishonesty was itself dishonest. I'm still wanting to > know where he came across that one as I've never heard that one > before. But, I've said what I wanted to say and having looked at his > replies, he's just repeating himself and I see no need to keep > repeating myself.
He does that to annoy. It's his way of getting people to keep answering him, thus giving him the attention he craves.
He makes all that shit up because he knows it will annoy people.
> >> Whenever a fan blames Elvis' death on > >> somebody else, I get a mental picture of > >> the accused tying Elvis to his barber chair > >> while cramming pills, burnt bacon and > >> endless spoons of peanut butter down his > >> throat.
>> Why do you bother to go back and forth with this nitwit?
>> Most of us have him filtered and when you answer him we read his nonsense >> because we usually like your posts.
>> Marty
> My apologies, Marty. Those of us who are still posting through google > can't filter him out. But, he's posted some comments under this > particular topic, comments which I thought shouldn't go unchallenged. > His comments suggesting Lennon's murder evened things out for Lennon > having turned kids on to drugs (if that was what he meant -- I read it > that way) struck me as being insensitive and callously cold. His > comment in his defense of Parker, as to Vernon having fired members of > the MM for their dishonesty was itself dishonest. I'm still wanting to > know where he came across that one as I've never heard that one > before. But, I've said what I wanted to say and having looked at his > replies, he's just repeating himself and I see no need to keep > repeating myself.
Lennon was a particularly callous and vindictive man himself.
>>> Why do you bother to go back and forth with this nitwit?
>>> Most of us have him filtered and when you answer him we read his nonsense >>> because we usually like your posts.
>>> Marty
>> My apologies, Marty. Those of us who are still posting through google >> can't filter him out. But, he's posted some comments under this >> particular topic, comments which I thought shouldn't go unchallenged. >> His comments suggesting Lennon's murder evened things out for Lennon >> having turned kids on to drugs (if that was what he meant -- I read it >> that way) struck me as being insensitive and callously cold. His >> comment in his defense of Parker, as to Vernon having fired members of >> the MM for their dishonesty was itself dishonest. I'm still wanting to >> know where he came across that one as I've never heard that one >> before. But, I've said what I wanted to say and having looked at his >> replies, he's just repeating himself and I see no need to keep >> repeating myself.
> He does that to annoy. It's his way of getting people to keep answering > him, thus giving him the attention he craves.
> He makes all that shit up because he knows it will annoy people.
>> He does that to annoy. It's his way of getting people to keep answering >> him, thus giving him the attention he craves.
>> He makes all that shit up because he knows it will annoy people.
> Since you have him filltered and can't see what he's written, I'm > seeing what you mean.
You can't see what a slimy bastard Lacker is. The best thing that ever happened was when Vernon fired him and the other rogues.
People who run their mouths off about others in books are the worse kind of scum. The thing is it is all to common and these people will stoop to nothing.
>>>>Do they have dandelions in England? >>>>Kevin >>>Have them? I am one. >>>Richard >>So YOU'RE the one the Stones wrote that >>song about. >>Bill >I tell no lies, and I'll make you wise, plus, >I'm getting to be bald enough on top so it >looks like somebody blew my hair away. >Richard
Well, it's taken a few years but Dennis Rodgers' assumption that you looked like Alfred Hitchcock has finally come true. Though I doubt he predicted that you'd have yellow ears...
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:27:50 -0500, Elvi...@webtv.net (Kevin) wrote: >>>>>Do they have dandelions in England? >>>>>Kevin
>>>>Have them? I am one. >>>>Richard
>>>So YOU'RE the one the Stones wrote that >>>song about. >>>Bill
>>I tell no lies, and I'll make you wise, plus, >>I'm getting to be bald enough on top so it >>looks like somebody blew my hair away. >>Richard
>Well, it's taken a few years but Dennis Rodgers' assumption that you >looked like Alfred Hitchcock has finally come true. Though I doubt he >predicted that you'd have yellow ears...
>Kevin
I'm reasonably tall - just over six foot - so most of the time people are looking up at me slightly, and my bald spot isn't noticeable. I don't even see it myself when I'm looking in a mirror.
But there's one place at the local shopping mall where they have what I assume are security mirrors overhead, and as you come up to them you can see yourself from above. Then you walk on a few feet, and there's overhead CCTV cameras and a monitor screen.
>But there's one place at the local shopping >mall where they have what I assume are >security mirrors overhead, and as you >come up to them you can see yourself >from above. Then you walk on a few feet, >and there's overhead CCTV cameras and >a monitor screen. >It's a fucking nightmare. >Richard
When I was at the big n' tall trying on a new pair of stretch pants, I kept a lookout for those cameras in the dressing room. I spent so much time looking up at the ceiling, I hadn't realized that the door was still hanging wide open. I had my pants halfway down before I noticed it. It's amazing how fast a person can move in a situation like that. My pants were pulled up to my neck and the door was slammed shut in about 2 seconds.
There was nobody in the store except a female clerk who was talking on the phone, and a guy who was busy putting socks on the rack. But I still opened the door back up and peaked out to see if anybody might have seen me. When I paid for my merchandise, I looked in their eyes to see if there was any sign of my underwear in them, but I really couldn't tell. I just had to assume that they had seen me, so I hurried out the door after I paid them and never looked back.
I spent the rest of the day imagining all of the bad things that could have happened during that whole mess. One scenario had me losing track of my pants and having to walk out with one of those round racks of clothes. My mind just goes off on something like that...
>> But there's one place at the local shopping >> mall where they have what I assume are >> security mirrors overhead, and as you >> come up to them you can see yourself >> from above. Then you walk on a few feet, >> and there's overhead CCTV cameras and >> a monitor screen. >> It's a fucking nightmare. >> Richard
> When I was at the big n' tall trying on a new pair of stretch pants, I > kept a lookout for those cameras in the dressing room. I spent so much > time looking up at the ceiling, I hadn't realized that the door was > still hanging wide open. I had my pants halfway down before I noticed > it. It's amazing how fast a person can move in a situation like that. My > pants were pulled up to my neck and the door was slammed shut in about 2 > seconds.
> There was nobody in the store except a female clerk who was talking on > the phone, and a guy who was busy putting socks on the rack. But I still > opened the door back up and peaked out to see if anybody might have seen > me. When I paid for my merchandise, I looked in their eyes to see if > there was any sign of my underwear in them, but I really couldn't tell. > I just had to assume that they had seen me, so I hurried out the door > after I paid them and never looked back.
> I spent the rest of the day imagining all of the bad things that could > have happened during that whole mess. One scenario had me losing track > of my pants and having to walk out with one of those round racks of > clothes. My mind just goes off on something like that...
> > > >> Whenever a fan blames Elvis' death on > > > >> somebody else, I get a mental picture of > > > >> the accused tying Elvis to his barber chair > > > >> while cramming pills, burnt bacon and > > > >> endless spoons of peanut butter down his > > > >> throat.
> > > > Funny one, Kevin, I like your wit.
> > > But on a serious note, Kevin would realise that Elvis increased that > > > destructive behaviour as a result of being bored and unchallenged. Most > > > people acknowledge this as a cause of Elvis' demise...and maybe Kevins > also!
> > > > With Vernon, I don't know if he tried to get Elvis to change his ways. > > > > One would think that he would've had more clout with Elvis than anyone
> > > But Vernon wasn't very sophisticated in business, nor did he have the > > > ability to make Elvis see the light in regard to the Colonel, as Gladys > > > Presley would have done.
> > > > But, if Elvis wouldn't listen to his > > > > father, he wouldn't listen to his friends or to his doctors, would he > > > > have listened to the fans?
> > > If we stopped buying his stuff, he would have, Elvis loved that > lifestyle > > > you know, where the money flowed in and then flowed out just as fast.
> > > Blair
> > Just Taking Elvis off the road wasn't the answer. When he was off the > > road he was still doing drugs. So you either have a choice of him > > sitting at Graceland doing drugs and not making money. or go on the > > road, do drugs, get paid and do what he loved to do which was perform. > > Let's remember that Elvis was refusing to get any help. I am talking > > about in the mid seventies. Not the early seventies.
> > I don't think The Colonel was purposely trying to hurt Elvis. The > > Colonel probably didn't know what the hell do with the drug situation > > either.
> Horseshit! Parker could have sat Elvis down and told him he was not booking > him anywhere until Elvis went to someplace like Mayo Clinic and got himself > well. Not only from the pills but all of Elvis' ailments, whatever they > were. The pills or food didn't make him bloated, it was something else and > he needed to take about six months to a year off and just spend as much time > as needed at Mayo.
> Back then there were not any Betty Ford Clinics but Mayo was one of the best > all around medical facilities in the world.
> He would also have to tell Elvis that if he tried to get work with another > manager he would sue him for everything he's got and then top it off he'd > ruin his career. That would have a a great chance of Elvis getting himself > well.
> Just relying on Dr. Nick or any Memphis facility would not work, he tried > that but they could not control him.
> The nonsense that we could have done anything is just nonsense. Some of us > did talk with him about his pills to no avail. He told us to stop trying to > tell him how to live his life and that he knew what he was doing and he was > in control of his pills. Typical addict remark. The fans who make those > comments about us, don't want to blame Elvis because they think he was > perfect and a victim. That's horseshit too. They say that shit because > they think it makes them sound good.
> I have said this before, the only two people who could legally commit him to > a facility was Vernon and Priscilla when she was married to him, neither one > tried.
> Marty- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
The Colonel probably could have tried to do that. I don't think Elvis would have done it for no other reason than it would reveal his problems to the public. But in hindsight everything is easier. I don't think The Colonel wanted him to be fucked up or sick. There were attempts to lesson his schedule. His vegas appearances were shortened from 4 weeks to 2 weeks. He had four straight months off in 1973. He had 5 straight months off from late 1974 until the first months of 1975. I don't think anyone could have convinced him to get help unless it was forced like what you said about being committed.
> > > > >> Whenever a fan blames Elvis' death on > > > > >> somebody else, I get a mental picture of > > > > >> the accused tying Elvis to his barber chair > > > > >> while cramming pills, burnt bacon and > > > > >> endless spoons of peanut butter down his > > > > >> throat.
> > > > > Funny one, Kevin, I like your wit.
> > > > But on a serious note, Kevin would realise that Elvis increased that > > > > destructive behaviour as a result of being bored and unchallenged. Most > > > > people acknowledge this as a cause of Elvis' demise...and maybe Kevins > > also!
> > > > > With Vernon, I don't know if he tried to get Elvis to change his ways. > > > > > One would think that he would've had more clout with Elvis than anyone
> > > > But Vernon wasn't very sophisticated in business, nor did he have the > > > > ability to make Elvis see the light in regard to the Colonel, as Gladys > > > > Presley would have done.
> > > > > But, if Elvis wouldn't listen to his > > > > > father, he wouldn't listen to his friends or to his doctors, would he > > > > > have listened to the fans?
> > > > If we stopped buying his stuff, he would have, Elvis loved that > > lifestyle > > > > you know, where the money flowed in and then flowed out just as fast.
> > > > Blair
> > > Just Taking Elvis off the road wasn't the answer. When he was off the > > > road he was still doing drugs. So you either have a choice of him > > > sitting at Graceland doing drugs and not making money. or go on the > > > road, do drugs, get paid and do what he loved to do which was perform. > > > Let's remember that Elvis was refusing to get any help. I am talking > > > about in the mid seventies. Not the early seventies.
> > > I don't think The Colonel was purposely trying to hurt Elvis. The > > > Colonel probably didn't know what the hell do with the drug situation > > > either.
> > Horseshit! Parker could have sat Elvis down and told him he was not booking > > him anywhere until Elvis went to someplace like Mayo Clinic and got himself > > well. Not only from the pills but all of Elvis' ailments, whatever they > > were. The pills or food didn't make him bloated, it was something else and > > he needed to take about six months to a year off and just spend as much time > > as needed at Mayo.
> > Back then there were not any Betty Ford Clinics but Mayo was one of the best > > all around medical facilities in the world.
> > He would also have to tell Elvis that if he tried to get work with another > > manager he would sue him for everything he's got and then top it off he'd > > ruin his career. That would have a a great chance of Elvis getting himself > > well.
> > Just relying on Dr. Nick or any Memphis facility would not work, he tried > > that but they could not control him.
> > The nonsense that we could have done anything is just nonsense. Some of us > > did talk with him about his pills to no avail. He told us to stop trying to > > tell him how to live his life and that he knew what he was doing and he was > > in control of his pills. Typical addict remark. The fans who make those > > comments about us, don't want to blame Elvis because they think he was > > perfect and a victim. That's horseshit too. They say that shit because > > they think it makes them sound good.
> > I have said this before, the only two people who could legally commit him to > > a facility was Vernon and Priscilla when she was married to him, neither one > > tried.
> > Marty- Hide quoted text -
> > - Show quoted text -
> The Colonel probably could have tried to do that. I don't think Elvis > would have done it for no other reason than it would reveal his > problems to the public. But in hindsight everything is easier. I don't > think The Colonel wanted him to be fucked up or sick. There were > attempts to lesson his schedule. His vegas appearances were shortened > from 4 weeks to 2 weeks. He had four straight months off in 1973. He > had 5 straight months off from late 1974 until the first months of > 1975. I don't think anyone could have convinced him to get help unless > it was forced like what you said about being committed.
You're wrong. If he was faced with not working anymore because of a threat Parker made he would have gone somewhere and got well.
An excuse could have been made for being in Mayo other than drying out. he had other ills and they could have said that's what he was there for and also because he was getting a thorough general checkup which is something he hadn't had in awhile. Yes, he was off those months but he was not threatened by not being booked anymore. he knew he'd be back on tour and in Vegas.
In that stage of his life, his career meant a great deal to him. He wouldn't risk losing it.
>>>>>>> Whenever a fan blames Elvis' death on >>>>>>> somebody else, I get a mental picture of >>>>>>> the accused tying Elvis to his barber chair >>>>>>> while cramming pills, burnt bacon and >>>>>>> endless spoons of peanut butter down his >>>>>>> throat.
>>>>>> Funny one, Kevin, I like your wit. >>>>> But on a serious note, Kevin would realise that Elvis increased that >>>>> destructive behaviour as a result of being bored and unchallenged. Most >>>>> people acknowledge this as a cause of Elvis' demise...and maybe Kevins >>> also!
>>>>>> With Vernon, I don't know if he tried to get Elvis to change his ways. >>>>>> One would think that he would've had more clout with Elvis than anyone >>>>> But Vernon wasn't very sophisticated in business, nor did he have the >>>>> ability to make Elvis see the light in regard to the Colonel, as Gladys >>>>> Presley would have done.
>>>>>> But, if Elvis wouldn't listen to his >>>>>> father, he wouldn't listen to his friends or to his doctors, would he >>>>>> have listened to the fans?
>>>>> If we stopped buying his stuff, he would have, Elvis loved that lifestyle >>>>> you know, where the money flowed in and then flowed out just as fast. >>>>> Blair
>>>> Just Taking Elvis off the road wasn't the answer. When he was off the >>>> road he was still doing drugs. So you either have a choice of him >>>> sitting at Graceland doing drugs and not making money. or go on the >>>> road, do drugs, get paid and do what he loved to do which was perform. >>>> Let's remember that Elvis was refusing to get any help. I am talking >>>> about in the mid seventies. Not the early seventies. >>>> I don't think The Colonel was purposely trying to hurt Elvis. The >>>> Colonel probably didn't know what the hell do with the drug situation >>>> either.
>>> Horseshit! Parker could have sat Elvis down and told him he was not >>> booking him anywhere until Elvis went to someplace like Mayo Clinic and got >>> himself well. Not only from the pills but all of Elvis' ailments, whatever >>> they were. The pills or food didn't make him bloated, it was something >>> else and he needed to take about six months to a year off and just spend as >>> much time as needed at Mayo.
>>> Back then there were not any Betty Ford Clinics but Mayo was one of the >>> best all around medical facilities in the world.
>>> He would also have to tell Elvis that if he tried to get work with another >>> manager he would sue him for everything he's got and then top it off he'd >>> ruin his career. That would have a a great chance of Elvis getting himself >>> well.
>>> Just relying on Dr. Nick or any Memphis facility would not work, he tried >>> that but they could not control him.
>>> The nonsense that we could have done anything is just nonsense. Some of us >>> did talk with him about his pills to no avail. He told us to stop trying >>> to tell him how to live his life and that he knew what he was doing and he >>> was in control of his pills. Typical addict remark. The fans who make >>> those comments about us, don't want to blame Elvis because they think he >>> was perfect and a victim. That's horseshit too. They say that shit >>> because they think it makes them sound good.
>>> I have said this before, the only two people who could legally commit him >>> to a facility was Vernon and Priscilla when she was married to him, neither >>> one tried.
>>> Marty- Hide quoted text -
>>> - Show quoted text -
>> The Colonel probably could have tried to do that. I don't think Elvis >> would have done it for no other reason than it would reveal his >> problems to the public. But in hindsight everything is easier. I don't >> think The Colonel wanted him to be fucked up or sick. There were >> attempts to lesson his schedule. His vegas appearances were shortened >> from 4 weeks to 2 weeks. He had four straight months off in 1973. He >> had 5 straight months off from late 1974 until the first months of >> 1975. I don't think anyone could have convinced him to get help unless >> it was forced like what you said about being committed.
> You're wrong. If he was faced with not working anymore because of a threat > Parker made he would have gone somewhere and got well.
> An excuse could have been made for being in Mayo other than drying out. he > had other ills and they could have said that's what he was there for and > also because he was getting a thorough general checkup which is something he > hadn't had in awhile. Yes, he was off those months but he was not > threatened by not being booked anymore. he knew he'd be back on tour and in > Vegas.
> In that stage of his life, his career meant a great deal to him. He > wouldn't risk losing it.
> Marty
Why not just tell the fucking truth instead of all this lying horseshit. If it was said he was drying out do you think it would have made him unpopular ?
You just gave away a good insight into how you think Marty !
Or maybe he just did not have the guts or the will power to dry out, not even for his daughter !
