I know Elvis claimed that blacks could only buy his records and shine
his shoes in the '50's, but it seems that Elvis must really have looked up to
black musicians. What's the real story? Did Elvis hate blacks as much as
blacks hate Elvis?
"NewJoanison" <newjo...@aol.com> skrev i melding
news:20050108004117...@mb-m23.aol.com...
The original news item which quoted Elvis saying
that has proved to be a complete fabrication !
Colin B
"NewJoanison" <newjo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Allen, you're talking out of your ass again.
_________________________________________________
Marty
"Broadway" <broadwa...@aol.comisGroovy> wrote in message
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.H.
"Colin B" <colin....@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Allen, you also loved being a 48 year old virgin who still wears
diapers and has an abnormal fetish for masked men who can't sing.
~MS
NOW CAN WE DROP THIS BULLSHIT.
AND IF SOME PRESENT DAY BLACK ARTIST WANTS TO TALK OUT OF HIS ASS ABOUT
SOMETHING HE DOESN'T HAVE A CLUE ABOUT--SO WHAT. IT DON'T MEAN
SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Marty
"Hadji Derabertis" <stephen...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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Because generally if there are 2 different messages here. One being a
previous message. With Marilee replying to that of Allen. Allen's
message
would have a >> all in front of his.
Now I am wondering, can anybody help me here?
Charmaine
WRONNGO !
Boy, I thought we were TRUE FIRENDS, but NOW i know yur no friend of me
or MY ORION , but just a fan of NASSTEYNESS ! Boy oh Boy I sure have
better than things to than to have a BITCH FIT with PMS on the ol
computer 24/7 posting NASSTEYS ! Oh and what does your posts have to do
with ELVIS ? NOTHING OK !
Bless,Friends,PMS,GIP,MS
Allen, I thought you deflated your girlfriend over the holidays because
your masked boyfriend inflatable got a bit jealous.
~MS
Don't know HOW or WHERE or WHEN that rumor got started but:
1. It is as FAR from the Truth as one can get.
2. Jet magazine, the nation's largest black reader magazine, assigned one
of its best reporters to chase that "quote" down and after a year of
research (unlike the Weasel's "research"), said writer wrote (a) that he
could find NO trace Elvis ever uttered that and (b) all the blacks he talked
with who knew Elvis, who had associations with Elvis, said it could never be
true.
It's just something that keeps rising up from time to time, like the RUMOR
of Elvis still being alive.
Incidentally, I plan to bring this very quote to the fore when I publish my
new book next month -- talking to numerous local black entertainers who knew
and worked with Elvis thru the years.
007
--
******************
Bill E. Burk
Publisher, Elvis World Magazine
[Remove "NOSP" from my e-mail address]
>Incidentally, I plan to bring this very quote to the fore when I publish my
>new book next month -- talking to numerous local black entertainers who knew
>and worked with Elvis thru the years.
>
>007
Bill, do you have a title for this book and a price?
I believe you're Marilee.
What girlfriend and what kind of Elvis things took you all day?
Is there a local Elvis village in your town?
Any collable holographic Jesoos that turn into a caped Elvis?
Impossible to say the least. He would never have been able to hide such
a thing. People who have that sort of hate also do not like a "Black"
person cooking their meals. End of story.
~Aladdin
Allen, I also heard you enjoy playing with big black inflatables.
You've got pics of those also ?
~MS
See the original magazine here
http://www.geocities.com/elvistouchglasgow/jetphotos.html
I used to hear old Arthur Crudup bang his box
Keeping Elvis #1
Ian
(remove 'Naespam' from address for email)
Because they don't have a clue about Elvis. Someone says it and because
some like to use it they repeat it until some others start to believe it.
Forget it.
Marty
It was near the end of the night and I looked over to see every member of the
bar staff (exclusively black) standing watching this spectacle.
They should really be warned about this - rightly or wrongly, the flag is seen
as a symbol of slavery to blacks.
There was a photographer on the stage at the time - let's hope to god we wasn't
an american photographer.
You are you fool
.H.
"Hadji Derabertis" <stephen...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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>Thank God no bootleg recordings have surfaced with our man using the N word a la
>Buddy Holly. With all of the bootleg stuff of Buddy Holly singing about "N..ers"
>(I'm just quoting the N word here from Buddy's lips and songs) why does our man
>constantly get this slack from black entertainers and never Buddy Holly.
>There's recorded evidence of Holly's racism ...
Jason -
You're doing the same thing to Buddy that others do to Elvis.
FYI -- that's NOT Buddy Holly on those bootlegs.
Note: Buddy was so "racist" he brought Little Richard to his Lubbock home for dinner when they
toured together in 1957.
Johnny
Johnny Savage wrote:
Would you put money on that? Of course I can't say one hundred percent it's Buddy Holly, but if I had
to put money on it I would put my cash on it being Holly. If it looks like a duck annd quacks like a
.....
At first I found it hard to believe myself. But when I thought about it, the times he lived in, where
he was from , the deep south, it doesnt seem too far fetched that he had some racism in him.
Are you saying the Buddy Holly bootleg 'The Basement Tapes' isnt Buddy Holly? If you've heard the
song ' Ni**r hating me', it's pretty hard to say it's not the real McCoy singing that lil ditty.
Jason~~
It's Johnny Rebel. Jason, you know better than to take the word of
bootleggers in terms of authenticity.
Bill
Do you know Mrs. Buddy Holley?
Do you know Buddy's friend Richard Pennimann a.k.a. Little Richard?
I have Elvis bootlegs with songs Elvis never recorded! They just fool the
people by putting songs by "slightly sound a likes" on those.
I'd never heard any of this, but I can't imagine this "Johnny Rebel" guy did
this without malice.
And Jason, Elvis too was from the "deep south". People have used where he
came from to justify their assumption that he had to be an ignorant racist
redneck, too.
Cathy
>And Jason, Elvis too was from the "deep south". People have used where he
>came from to justify their assumption that he had to be an ignorant racist
>redneck, too.
>
Not to mention the fact that Buddy Holly's widow is Puerto Rican.
Bill wrote:
Actually it was a Buddy Holly fan who first brought it to my attention. Apparently there are other boots
out there where you can hear Holly use the N word during some in studio banter.
Jason~~
Taxman wrote:
Sure. But maybe this song was recorded by someone else because there is such a
strong argument that Holly was a racist?
Jason~~
Cathy wrote:
True. I don't think Elvis was a true blue hard-core racist. I also believe that
for the most part he really liked and didnt have a problem with black people.
But I also think he had a little wee bit of racism in him. I believe this was
due to where and when he grew up, and who influenced him along the way. Friends
of his have mentioned this in books.
Jason~~
Gosh, what if someone did a tape of Elvis saying the quote about shinning
shoes and somebody pointed out that it wasn't Elvis, do you want people to
justify it?: "Oh well, you know there is a strong argument that because he
was from the deep south and all and this rumor that he said this has been
around for years so, yeah, we'll use a fake tape as "evidence" of his
racism."
C'mon Jason. You're a great fan and a good guy. You're argument here is
real flimsy.
Cathy
I'm from the south, too. Sometimes I think we are even more sensitive about
it and feel stronger about it because of what we've seen and grown up with.
I abhor racism, can't stand the "n" word uttered for any reason. But, I too
have my prejudices. No one's pure on this.
I think with Buddy you're building on a falsehood. The same thing has been
done to Elvis. It's wrong no matter what you think is reasonable to believe
about either man.
Cathy
Hadji Derabertis wrote:
>
> Bill wrote:
> > It's Johnny Rebel. Jason, you know better than to take the word of
> > bootleggers in terms of authenticity.
> >
> > Bill
>
> Actually it was a Buddy Holly fan who first brought it to my attention. Apparently there are other boots
> out there where you can hear Holly use the N word during some in studio banter.
> Jason~~
Yeah, and I've had Beatle fans tell me that Oh, I Need You is a lost
Beatles track. I've heard the song and I can tell you that it's Johnny
Rebel who recorded a whole lot of this kind of stuff.
Is there anything out there in a biography of Buddy, an interview with
someone who knew Buddy or anything more reliable than possible bootlegs
that back this story up?
Bill
Like Cathy said, we ALL have our prejudices, even black people do. I
live in the south. I wish the people that have never lived or been in
the south would get an education!!
Racism exists everywhere.
Elvis was no more racist than you.
The people that keep bringing up this same old tired "reason" to hate
ELVIS are the racists. It is sour grapes...pure and simple. JEALOUSY.
So Jason, the next time you say Elvis could have been racist because of
where he came from, please think again. Racism is everywhere. The
south doesn't own the patent on it.....just because northerners say so.
Rejoice and be happy, Jason, the civil war has been over for a long,
long time.
Scottie++++++TLC
Cathy wrote:
Flimsy,,,, absolutely. Possible.....yes.
Jason~~
Cathy wrote:
I very well could be. Since I'm not really a fan of Buddy's and outside of
viewing 'The Buddy Holly' story many years ago I don't know much about the guy.
I enjoy reading biographies and have read many over the years, but not a one on
Buddy. Yet I always thought this was somewhat common knowledge about Buddy in
the whole Buddy Holly scene. Yet, of course swept under the carpet and never
discussed. I first heard these rumors about 7 maybe 8 years ago . I used to
attend a record/cd convention every 3 months which consisted of many dealers
selling and trading in bootleg/import music and video recordings. I became
friends with this one guy who had somewhat totally different tastes in music as
myself. My big three then as well as now has basically always been Elvis of
course, the Rolling Stones, and Led Zeppelin. These were the only three acts
which I collected in boots/imports. The guy I became friendly with was heavy
into Buddy Holly, the Beatles, and the Beach Boys. He didn't mind Elvis , but
hated my other two acts with a passion. Any ways he and this dealer got to
talking about Buddy, and it was those two who filled me in on the Buddy thing.
They both bought into it
Then , a few years later, turns out this friend of mine has heard the same
thing. He even played me the N song from the apartment tapes. So hey, what was
I to think? It doesn't sound too far fetched does it?
I never dwelled on it or really gave it a second thought for years, until I
brought it up in my post the other day. Maybe subconsciously I was hoping to get
some answers on this subject. I think I did have a couple glasses of wine that
night. :)
Jason~~
There is also a lot of racism in my little pocket of the world, Northwest
Indiana. I also abhor the "n" word. But the racism I see is equally bad on
both sides of the fence: black, white, and hispanic. As always, though, it all
comes down to the individual.
As Dr. King said, "judge a man not by the color of his skin, but by the content
of his character." All races are guilty of judging others by the color of the
skin. Nobody has the market cornered on racism.
Chuck
Oops, I meant all sides.
Chuck
Marty
"Hadji Derabertis" <stephen...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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>
>
It's not limited to just this ng; on the other ngs that I post to, the same
thing is happening. If the posts aren't repeating themselves, they're showing
up weeks after they were written. Very bizarre.
I wonder if it has something to do with
Google's new system.
Some newsgroups that usually get over 300 new
messages a day are now only showing less
than 100.
So true Chuck.
My father and his entire family was discriminated against his entire
life. To the point of actually warning me, "Never tell anyone of your
American Indian heritage."
It obviously was a bad thing then, but I have never experienced any
ugliness about it.
My friend was telling me just this morning that he almost reported a
man at the store on a cell phone....because he had been speaking in
another language and he was of the iraqi nationality, or look. He said
"When he spoke in English on that cell phone, he said: "I'll pick it up
don't worry. He wants 300 or so?"
Dear Lord, maybe he was sending hershey bars or chewing gum. I think it
was being paranoid and ridiculous, and he says I am too trusting. I
don't know which it is?
~Genie
>My father and his entire family was discriminated against his entire
>life. To the point of actually warning me, "Never tell anyone of your
>American Indian heritage."
Fuck him then...
My Father and Mother passed away in the 80's
but I thank you for your loving, decent contribution to my post. You
obviously want to play "War?" I do not.
~Aladdin
>My Father and Mother passed away in the 80's
>but I thank you for your loving, decent contribution to my post. You
>obviously want to play "War?" I do not.
>~Aladdin
Fuck him for being ashamed of who he was and who his children were.
If you want to walk a mile in his shoes.....then you have a right to
make that remark. Until then, you obviously were never an American
Indian trying to make a living and raise a family in the 30's or
40's..... what you are is a fast paced put down artist and that has
it's equality in racism, you are too busy trying to be correct so you
fail to see this is true.
~Aladdin
>If you want to walk a mile in his shoes.....
God, what's it been, a month since somebody used that line here? Send some
doves wearing TCB sunglasses next time to deliver the message...
>Until then, you obviously were never an American
>Indian trying to make a living and raise a family in the 30's or
>40's.....
Let me say it again; fuck him for being ashamed and teaching his children to be
ashamed. Be who you are, not who you never were.
>what you are is a fast paced put down artist and that has
>it's equality in racism, you are too busy trying to be correct so you
>fail to see this is true.
>~Aladdin
You use words, tossing them in a cup and dumping them out like so many tumbling
dice. Do you even know what you just wrote?
>Dog must be haveing PMS ?
>Do you also post this dip on Charzy sounds like you ?
>God Bless,Friendas,TCB,Allen
God bless and are you having PMS? You are a thrill a minute.
Jesus saves, take a bath...
Dammit Allen!! Get off the PMS references already!
Yes, I know very well what I wrote. More than I can say for your
useless old "F" words... so what I use that well known phrase about
"Walk a mile in my shoes" I like it, Elvis liked it, if you don't like
it eat it. I am proud of who and what I am, I am proud of my heritage
and I'm enough to take his place with the likes of you!
How about that for a dice roll?
~Aladdin
>Yes, I know very well what I wrote. More than I can say for your
>useless old "F" words...
Oh fuck...
>so what I use that well known phrase about
>"Walk a mile in my shoes" I like it, Elvis liked it, if you don't like
>it eat it.
People like you that have this tendency to quote Elvis like he was Christ, make
me sick. He isn't a dashboard Jesus or some religious icon. Quit taking the
sexuality out of Elvis.
>I am proud of who and what I am, I am proud of my heritage
>and I'm enough to take his place with the likes of you!
Be proud of your kookieness!
>How about that for a dice roll?
>~Aladdin
You aren't touching MY dice...
Allen,
Debbie is right....I cringe at those "PMS" posts.
Please remember that "Dogs" don't have PMS and I am past having PMS,
the reference your using is to a female, which in Devildogs case might
be a thought. lol Please don't put us ladies down. Okay? ; )
Please do not make wise cracks to the big guys and gals...I can't get
you out of moves like that.Some are nice and don't deserve it like
Dawn. Others are too hardcore to rescue you from.Not that anyone needs
any help from me. Just an opinion of course.
~Genie
>
>
> >so what I use that well known phrase about
> >"Walk a mile in my shoes" I like it, Elvis liked it, if you don't
like
> >it eat it.
>
>
> People like you that have this tendency to quote Elvis like he was
Christ, make
> me sick. He isn't a dashboard Jesus or some religious icon. Quit
taking the
> sexuality out of Elvis.
I in no way take sexuality out of Elvis or put Elvis in place of
Christ! When he was right (either /or) why waste a great phrase. Your
usual in low class bar room brawl.
> >I am proud of who and what I am, I am proud of my heritage
> >and I'm enough to take his ....(my Fathers)... place with the likes
of you!
>
>
> Be proud of your kookieness!
I am proud of who I am. If I am "Kooky" It is because I am an
individual with my own style and my own ideals. They differ from yours,
and if that makes me the "Kooky" one, so be it.
> >How about that for a dice roll?
> >~Aladdin
>
>
> You aren't touching MY dice...
LOL! Never wanted to anyway. So we agree on something.
>I in no way take sexuality out of Elvis or put Elvis in place of
>Christ! When he was right (either /or) why waste a great phrase. Your
>usual in low class bar room brawl.
Hail Priscilla, full of mace
Mike Stone was with thee...
>I am proud of who I am. If I am "Kooky" It is because I am an
>individual with my own style and my own ideals. They differ from yours,
>and if that makes me the "Kooky" one, so be it.
Baby, you're rolling in kookiness
>LOL! Never wanted to anyway. So we agree on something.
>
You are probably one of those old broads with the boney fingers and huge
knuckles. I'll bet Rising Sun cringed and puckered his ass when he saw you
coming with the rubber gloves...
You Dear are a Horses Ass of another color.
I have said several times, I am certain they are in the archives with
my name on them....I did not work on large animals. I saw a couple of
the horses. I petted them, suggested the regular Veterinarian see to a
slight limp. By this time..you want me to discribe the horse or
remember it's name? lol I couldn't take my eyes of Elvis.... what would
you expect? I was as professional as any human red blooded girl of 20
could expect to be under those weird luck of the draw circumstances.
Yeah, I am rolling in "Kookiness." I am trying to juggle answering
posts and enjoying a movie....
I guess compared to you, I might be your Mothers age. Or not even
that.You have seen photo's and I have a couple under my profile..they
were not taken 80 years ago. lol I have strong hands, years of hard
work. Weight training, etc.
I find it most enjoyable that you try so hard to dislike me, and I try
so hard to like you....can't we meet someplace in the middle?
~Genie
He once got on a "so called" kick, I mean it was "so called" this and "so
called" that, every other sentence. I swear it lasted nearly a year.
That's why I was surprised to see him lash out at Dawn for, in his words
"she just can't let it rest..."
Well, I wasn't really surprised. Maybe I was so called surprised.
Cathy
yeah really..esp. when I have it right NOW..Be very aware Allen! I live in Va.,
too. hehe Seriously, PMS is no joking matter. It is very real and men are
nothing more than penis wrinkles when they crack jokes and make light of it.
That was his Indian name you know - "Denies His Heritage". Father was
"Kiss That White Ass" and mother was "Fucky Sucky Five Bucky".
Richard
>Please remember that "Dogs" don't have PMS
I do believe at least once a year ....
~AL~
Hey Allen, PMS this :
/´¯/)
...................,/¯../
................../..../
............/´¯/'...'/´¯¯`·¸
........./'/.../..../......./¨¯\
.......('(...´...´.... ¯~/'...')
........\.................'.../
.........''...\.......... _.·´
...........\..............(
.............\.............\..
~MS
LOL
Allen,
What the hell do you think you've been doing here every day. Bitching,
griping and complaining what others are posting. It's about time you
stopped.
Marty
>
>>>That was his Indian name you know - "Denies His Heritage". Father
was
"Kiss That White Ass" and mother was "Fucky Sucky Five Bucky".
Richard
Pathetic morons!
>I have strong hands, years of hard
>work. Weight training, etc.
Doubtless from your years as a stunt woman...
Reply:
Your thinking of Male menopause AL.... at least this is what they
finally think happens, when levels of Testosterone decline in middle
age. Once it was only Women who had PMS pre-menopausal and full blown
menopause (funny word btw) especially following a hysterectomy, which
can toss a 20 yr old female into it. Never heard of PMS in men.
~Genie
>>>>That was his Indian name you know - "Denies His Heritage". Father
>was
>"Kiss That White Ass" and mother was "Fucky Sucky Five Bucky".
>Richard
>
>
>Pathetic morons!
Was that a cousin?
And is this not exactly the mentality of a racist comment..by you and
Richard both!? You two have lost the meaning of decency here. I suggest
you find it. Your not funny.
~Aladdin
>Never heard of PMS in men.
Luuk
I did not spend a lot of "Years" as a stunt woman.
I spent more years in school and at my chosen profession. I spent
years working hard. Playing hard. No regrets really. How about you? I
still work hard. I still play hard.
I spent years in a gym...weight lifting. For fun.
Yes, I have arthritis in my hands, I am double jointed..no surprise
there. But I am still strong.
This is the misconception of the smart mouth younger generation, that
if your over 50 or 60 your walking around with gray hair and cane. tsk
tsk.......I am also strong willed so put a sock in it already, your
boring me to death.
~Genie
>And is this not exactly the mentality of a racist comment..by you and
>Richard both!?
I criticize your father for his shame in his heritage and I'm branded a racist,
if anything he was the racist.
PS...yes I understand the "Bitch in heat thing with dogs."
My Father was not a racist.
My Father was denied jobs on the premis that he might be a drunken bum
from the reservation.
He was denied housing because idiots on the block thought it meant
pow-wows and tee-pees in the backyard!
He was attacked by a white man, being stabbed several times....guess
who went to jail for the fight?
Now shut your inconsiderate, uninformed mouth. You have no right to
call my Father anything. You didn't know him or live his life. Your
just barely living your own right now.
~Genie
>This is the misconception of the smart mouth younger generation, that
>if your over 50 or 60 your walking around with gray hair and cane.
I'll bet you own an oversized gun too...
>>Please remember that "Dogs" don't have PMS
>I do believe at least once a year ....
>~AL~
>Your thinking of Male menopause
No ... I'm referring to dogs having PMS ...
~AL~
Is that called Doggiepaws?
Marty
In the female, canine and felines, they go through "Estrus cycles" but
it is far fetched to actually conclude they have what Pre mentrual
syndrom as the human female, because we cannot ask them...lol
~Genie
Marty
LOL Very Good MArty
~Genie
I own a .25 automatic. It is small and easy to carry.
My guess is Mr. Macho guy has a sawed off shotgun? ; )
~Genie
> You can bring up all the evidence you want that shows
>Elvis was not a racist and they won't believe you.
>.H.
Sad to say but most of them are nothing more then racists themselves ....
~AL~
.H.
"AFriend" <rkennedy...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> NewJoanison wrote:
>> I read an interview with Ray Charles in which Ray had some very
> negative
>> things to say about Elvis; Ray claimed Elvis only ripped off black
> musicians,
>> etc.
>> Mary J. Blige calls Elvis an extreme racist. (!)
>>
>> I know Elvis claimed that blacks could only buy his records
> and shine
>> his shoes in the '50's, but it seems that Elvis must really have
> looked up to
>> black musicians. What's the real story? Did Elvis hate blacks as
> much as
>> blacks hate Elvis?
> Actually, he hated people who said he hated blacks.
>