Elvis' Famous Kiss from the Train
Dawn
with Elvis from '58-'59 and even going over to Germany to be with him.
Isn't this the same time Elvis and Anita Wood were quite serious? Knowing that
Anita left Elvis when she learned of his fondness for Priscilla I can't imagine
her staying around while this supposed affair took place.
Dawn
Here's the article from desototimes.com
Hernando woman caught Elvis' eye as he became the King
HERNANDO - She's the girl that caught the eye of Elvis Presley just before he
was shipped off to Germany.
The famous picture of Elvis kissing Jane Wilbanks Gowen as he leaned out of a
train leaving Memphis was published worldwide.
During the 25th anniversary of his death last week, one of his most famous
biographers came to Hernando to meet the girl in the photo. The photo also is
scheduled for publication - again - in a new book about Elvis.
For the past 40 years, Gowen has been living quietly in Hernando.
Unlike movie starlets and former girlfriends of "The King" who have cashed in
on their remembrances, Gowen has resisted.
"If I had to do it over again, I would," Gowen said. "It was an adventure. I
did something that millions of girls would have liked to have done, although
some wouldn't have admitted it."
During "Elvis Week" famed Elvis biographer Peter Guralnick, author of "Last
Train to Memphis" and "Careless Love," drove down from his home in Boston to
visit her and listen to her story. The story of her courtship with Elvis in
1958-59 was chronicled in Gurlanick's acclaimed biography.
"I had been wanting to meet Jane ever since she and I first got in touch,"
Guralnick said as he sat in Gowen's living room. "George Klein (one of Elvis'
friends) told me the story," said Guralnick,describing the encounter in which
Elvis spotted her while on board the train and motioned for Klein and Alan
Fortas to put her on the steps of the train so that he could kiss her.
Guralnick said Gowen's name kept coming up in other interviews.
"I wanted to hear the real story - from her," said the soft-spoken Guralnick.
Guralnick said he's intrigued by Gowen's remembrances. "This is Jane's story,"
he said deferring further questions about himself.
In September, Gowen's story and the famous photo will be published in Sergeant
Presley: Our Untold Story of Elvis' Missing Years by Rex Mansfield, Elisabeth
Mansfield and Zoe Terrill as told to Marshall Terrill. Mansfield and his wife
knew Elvis in his U.S. Army days.
What makes her story even more compelling is that Gowen, more so than other
Presley girlfriends, dated Elvis during one of the darkest chapters in his
life.
His mother Gladys had just died at age 42. "Janie" Wilbanks, as Elvis
endearingly called her, had flown to Germany to see Elvis at his request. She
lived at the time with her uncle who was a U.S. Army chaplain stationed there.
Gowen spent Christmas with Elvis and drove around the snow-covered streets with
the legendary singer looking at all the twinkling lights around the German
countryside. What made the evening so poignant was that his mother had recently
passed away and Elvis was sad. The King even began to cry.
Stunned, Gowen hardly knew what to say. She was young and both of her parents
were still living.
Yet, Elvis could be himself with Gowen and reveal his vulnerability. She was
from the small town of New Albany and he was, at heart, still a lonely kid from
Tupelo. The press learned of their romance. Gowen was featured in numerous fan
magazines. He bought her a pink sweater to show his affection.
Gowen still has the sweater and keeps it locked up in a safe along with
personally autographed photos of Elvis and the couple together in candid
snapshots. Along with Elvis, Jane is shown with Vernon Presley, Elvis's father,
and his grandmother Minnie Mae Presley, who struck up a close friendship with
Jane.
Jane visited Graceland several times after Elvis came home from Germany. Jane
went to college at Ole Miss.
"He was busy with his career and I was ready to go back to college," she said.
"There wasn't really an ending to our relationship. He went on with his life
and I went on with mine."
Still, some say Elvis never forgot her. He called her years later and asked her
to a party at Graceland. She was dating someone else and politely declined.
About four years before his death, Elvis asked an acquaintance how she was
doing.
However, Gowen has been happily married to husband Jerry for the past two
decades. She can still wear the size-2 pink sweater Elvis gave her.
"I couldn't change my life if I wanted to," she said. "That's the way it is.
That's what Elvis would have said."
ROBERT LEE LONG/Community Editor
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DMagrann
affair with Elvis from '58-'59 and even going over to Germany to be with him.
Isn't this the same time Elvis and Anita Wood were quite serious? Knowing that
Anita left Elvis when she learned of his fondness for Priscilla I can't imagine
her staying around while this supposed affair took place.
Dawn>>
It's on the level, though Anita probably never knew about it at the time. Janie
visited Elvis in Germany while Elisabeth Stefaniak was working as Elvis'
secretary and living with Elvis, Vernon and Minnie Mae. Elisabeth said in the
book she and Rex wrote years ago (in German, translated into English) that she
was hurt at first to have to "share" Elvis with others, but eventually became
friends with Janie.
DMagrann
Rex: "From that first night Elvis met Elisabeth he started being with her or
seeing her every chance he got. Every night he would walk her home from the
movies. At night and sometime even during the day he would slip away to see
Elisabeth. At first I thought this was just another girl for Elvis to entertain
himself with while we were in Graf. However, a few days after we returned to
Friedberg, Elvis called Elisabeth to come to Bad Nauheim. Elvis was bringing
her there as his secretary, but she was a lot more to him than a secretary. I
remember him telling me, Red and Lamar and others to stay away from Elisabeth.
In all fairness Elvis expected the same with any girls he dated; however, with
Elisabeth he called a special meeting. I remember thinking at the time that
Elvis would never catch me even looking at one of his girls, especially
Elisabeth."
Elisabeth: "This GI came right up to me and said, "Elvis wants you to come down
and sit with him." I really thought I was going to faint. . . That first
glimpse of Elvis was the most fantastic feeling of my life up to that point. I
thought he was the most handsome, most beautiful hunk of man I had ever before
seen. He put his arm around me and asked my name and from that moment on I was
floating. I cannot remember anything I said to him. . . Here I was sitting
right next to the most famous GI in the world. He had one arm around me, he was
holding my hand and whispering sweet things in my ear. Needless to say, I just
couldn't hardly believe this was happening to me."
"After the movie, Elvis walked me home which was only ten minutes from the
theatre. . . Elvis had Thanksgiving dinner with us and my family was very
impressed with his manners. . . Elvis came to the house almost daily after that
Thanksgiving Day and my mother would fix his favorite foods for him. We
borrowed my stepfather's car quite often and would go for rides in the evening.
. . Elvis talked to me and my parents about how he badly needed a secretary who
could speak, read and write both German and English. He told my parents that he
wanted me to be this secretary, since I was qualified, and he wanted me to come
to Bad Nauheim and live in his home. . . I had no competition in Graf and he
was all mine and only mine for over two of the most indescribable weeks of my
life. It never occurred to me that there were and would always be many other
girls in the life of Elvis."
"About one week after I arrived in Bad Nauheim, Elvis informs me that this girl
Janie Wilbanks will be arriving and staying for a good while. Janie made
headlines in all the papers and magazines when Elvis came through Memphis by
train before coming to Germany. Rex has already told you about that scene which
was set up by George Klein, another Elvis friend from Memphis. Janie had an
uncle who was stationed in Germany and she was visiting her uncle at this time.
To be very honest I resented any girl coming and after seeing this girl Janie,
who was a very beautiful, sweet girl, I became very jealous of her at first.
As time went on and Janie made many more visits to Elvis, she and I became very
close friends and had many good times together. This friendship of ours really
did surprise me, after all she was my competition. Maybe it was because we were
only two peas in a big pot full of girls and we realizing this fact of life,
became friends. Janie was only the beginning of many more girls to come and I
realized pretty quick that there would always be other beautiful girls coming
and going and this fact I had to painfully accept. About every two weeks, Joe
the taxi driver was told to drive to Frankfurt and pick up Margit Burgin [sic],
the German girl that made all the headlines, and she would spend the evening at
the Hotel Grunewald. As I said, like it or not I had to get used to the many,
many other girls coming to see and be with Elvis."
Dawn
>From: dmag...@aol.com (DMagrann)
>Date: 8/25/2002 12:03 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <20020825010319...@mb-mj.aol.com>
Thanks Diana,
Needless to say I never read the book, maybe I will now. It might
be interesting to see her reaction to Priscilla.
Also, thank you again for the use of the Dolan house.
Dawn
DMagrann
might be interesting to see her reaction to Priscilla >>
That book is out of print, though I'll be glad to loan you my copy. There are
lots of photos! Here's some of what Rex and Elisabeth had to say about
Priscilla, Anita, and Janie:
Rex: "Currie and Carol became regular Sunday visitors to the house following
that first meeting. . . In late July Priscilla had come to the Eagle Club
(probably with her parents) and Currie says he spoke to her on first sight but
she was standoffish. In early August she found out Currie was a friend of and
was seeing Elvis on a regular basis and came looking for him. She found him in
the snack bar, came straight up to himn and asked if he would introduce her to
Elvis. The magic name of Elvis had made her suddenly lose her shyness and like
thousands of other 14 year olds all she could think about was a chance to meet
the King of Rock and Roll.
Currie says, and I quote, "After fooling around with her for a month I decided
I would take her. It was the 2nd week in September on a Sunday night. She had
to go to school the next day. Carol, my wife, was with me." After Elvis met
Priscilla, he took her upstairs till about 1 or 1:30 a.m. She was expected to
be home by 11 or 11:30.
I was in the house that night. I remember her as being so young and so
beautiful, like a little doll. Elvis went mad over her at first sight. He later
told me that Priscilla was exactly everything that he wanted. She was young and
innocent so that he could train her the way he wanted her to be. Those of us
sitting there that night in the living room including Elisabeth, Cliff, Lamar,
Charlie, myself and others who may have been there were sure that Priscilla
Beaulieu was going to be something very special in the life of Elvis.
Elisabeth: "Life was as usual at the house, except Priscilla was coming more
and more and for the first time I could see Elvis was treating this girl
different from all the other girls that he had been going with while in
Germany. Even though I had thought that he was in love with the Memphis girl,
Anita Wood, who had faithfully written to him and was waiting for him, Elvis
felt different about Priscilla. Elvis had been going with Anita for many years
and everyone thought she was the only girl he truly loved. I often wanted to
ask Elvis if he had fallen in love with Priscilla, but I knew better than to
ask that question. Priscilla being in the picture, of course, confused me even
more about my own feelings toward Elvis and Rex. . .
Priscilla came as often as she could during the last week. Usually Mr. Presley
and Lamar would drive to Wiesbaden to bring her to the house and take her back.
Elvis rarely went along on these trips. Since Priscilla was only 14 and still
in school, she was not allowed to stay out late. However, on the average, she
arrived back at her home between one and two hours late. She told me several
times that this created quite a problem with her parents.
One day before our departure the landlady and her lawyer asked to talk with
Elvis and Mr. Presley. Of course, I was included since I was the translator.
Frau P. wanted money for every scratch put on the furniture even though Elvis
paid a large sum for renting the furnished house. Elvis and Mr. Presley were
very upset over this and told me to tell Frau P. that they paid more than
enough rent to cover any small damages to the furniture. But Frau P. and her
lawyer started threatening a lawsuit and said they would call reporters in to
see the house. Elvis did not want any bad publicity over this, so he agreed to
pay a large sum of money to these greedy people. Here was another example of
how people took advantage of Elvis because they knew he had money and fame. It
was an education being around Elvis seeing what people were really like inside.
It was around March 7, 1960 when Elvis arrived at Graceland with Colonel
Parker, Tom Diskin, Rex, Lamar and Ken Moore. Anita Wood, his old sweetheart,
was nervously pacing up and down the floor of the big kitchen. The entrance
from the back of the house was through this big kitchen and this was the way
Elvis always came in. Some of the relatives, as well as old friends, were there
to greet him. At that time I was the only stranger there. I had heard much
about the relatives and friends from Elvis so I really didn't feel like a
stranger, rather I felt like one of the family. We were all real glad to see
Elvis as he kissed and hugged everybody. . . Elvis spent the rest of the
evening with Anita and friends except for about an hour he went down to the
front gate to sign autographs for his fans. . .
The next evening Elvis was ready to get his fancy motorcycle out and go for a
drive. He said, "Foghorn (a nickname he had always called me because of my low
voice), I'm going to take you for a motorcycle ride." And a fast ride it was,
especially as we attempted to get through the front gates. There were still a
lot of fans waiting at the gate and several of the cars chased after us but
Elvis lost them quickly. He really enjoyed being behind that motorcycle as it
reminded him of the good old times before going into the Army. . .
I was invited along about this time to spend the night with Anita Wood. Anita
invited me to spend the night with her because she wanted to know what happened
in Germany. I didn't ask Elvis, I told him that I was spending the night with
Anita. Immediately, he warned me saying, "Foghorn, now you be careful what you
say to Anita and what she don't know won't hurt her," as he winked at me with
his sheepish grin. On the inside I wanted to say that I would tell it all to
her because of what you have and are doing to me; however, I only said to Elvis
that I wouldn't say anything to Anita that would cause any problems.
Anita was really a sweet person and I liked her very much. In a way I felt
sorry for her because I knew she loved Elvis, maybe even more than I once did,
and Elvis would hurt her too, someday. Spending the night with Anita was very
nice and I enjoyed myself with the freedom of being away from the house. This
freedom feeling reconfirmed that my decision to go with Rex was right.
Eventually, Anita did get around to asking me some hard to answer questions but
she asked them in a "soft sale" manner. I was very careful with my answers and
didn't really tell her anything that she didn't already know.
Another friend I could talk to was Janie Wilbanks. Janie was now living in
Memphis and she had come to the house a couple of times to visit Grandma and I.
Janie was the girl whom George Klein had brought to the train to meet Elvis
when he was on his way from Fort Hood to New York Harbour and the train had
stopped in Memphis for a little while. Just like me, Janie knew the score with
Elvis and she knew about Rex and I. I had told her that I wanted to leave with
Rex and she said that she would help me, if I needed her.
Q. When Elvis first met Priscilla, could you tell then that he would later
marry her? A. Not when he first met her, but within a couple of weeks I could
tell that he felt different about her than other girls he had dated. I heard
Elvis say that he thought Priscilla looked like a little angel and I never
heard him say that about any other girl.
Q. What do you know about the supposed affair with Vera Tschechova? A. It was
just a publicity thing put out by her agent. There was never any serious affair
between them as she only visited about twice and both times were for only a
couple of hours.
Q. Was Elvis really shy? A. Not at all, sometimes he may have appeared to be
shy but this was only an act.
Q Did Elvis watch German televisin? A. No. He did not have a TV in Germany.
~ And thank you and Jordan for being such gracious hosts to the fans.
Dawn
>Message-id: <20020825131844...@mb-mj.aol.com>
Diana,
That was very interesting.
Maybe I can find that book somewhere online. Now I know for sure I want to read
it!
Thanks for all of your typing.
Dawn
Tony
For those who don't know, Rex and Elisabeth have a new book due out in
September.
DMagrann
For those who don't know, Rex and Elisabeth have a new book due out in
September. >>
I thought I read something about that in Dawn's original post. Is Peter
Guralnick involved in that project? If so, I hope he got the girls' eye and
hair color right. (That's an inside joke because I think he had Kathy as a
blonde and Ginger with blue eyes in Careless Love/Careless Author.)
But I like Elisabeth and Rex and will buy their book.
Luuk
DMagrann <dmag...@aol.com> schreef in berichtnieuws
20020826035001...@mb-cs.aol.com...
> << That was very interesting, Diana.
> For those who don't know, Rex and Elisabeth have a new book due out in
> September. >>
>
Is this a re-write of their 1980's book "Elvis the soldier"? Did they come
up with newly discovered memories? More previously unpublished photos?
Dawn
>From: "Luuk" luukbo...@nospamhotmail.com
>Date: 8/26/2002 6:11 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <akdji4$17h$1...@cyan.nl.gxn.net>
I just found out that Jordan bought the book "Sergeant Presley,Untold Story of
Elvis' Missing Years". Is this the book due out in Sept?
Is it different from the original by the Mansfields?
Dawn
Bill Burk
in September. >>
The Mansfield book has been out since 12 August. I was selling them all
during Elvis Week in Memphis and have been selling them via our ELVIS WORLD
Shoppers Service for weeks. Cost is $23 (mailing included).
>>
I thought I read something about that in Dawn's original post. Is Peter
Guralnick involved in that project? If so, I hope he got the girls' eye and
hair color right. (That's an inside joke because I think he had Kathy as a
blonde and Ginger with blue eyes in Careless Love/Careless Author.)
>>
No, Peter Guralnick is NOT involved in this project. The Mansfields wrote
their book from their own memories, NOT "researching" 100s of other books
and re-writing them in their own words. If Guralnick had Kathy's hair and
Ginger's eye colors wrong, it's because he read them in someone else's book
! Copy cat!
>>
But I like Elisabeth and Rex and will buy their book.
>>
They are both wonderful people and made a lot of new friends while in
Memphis during Elvis Week.
And if you want their book, send check to:
BURK ENTERPRISES
Box 16792
Memphis TN 38186 USA
They're autographed.
007
--
******************
Bill E. Burk
Publisher, Elvis World Magazine
A.R.
Thank you for your reports on Elvis Week. Given the extent to which
you had your hands full, it's great that you took the time to give us
the rundown on events we might not have had the chance to enjoy.
Sorry I missed you in Memphis this time around, but I'll be going back
at Christmastime, and it would be great to meet you then if you're
around.
With all due respect, I've never understood this criticism you have
here of Peter Guralnick. I don't know of any biographer that does not
use research of other people's "material" as one of their main primary
sources for gathering the information needed to put together a book.
A biographer HAS to rely on the other people's material. And since
his primary subject is no longer available to talk to, this limits his
options as well.
I don't have the books handy, but do recall that he didn't litter his
two volumes with footnotes that would have been distracting, but
rather put his references at the end and he was pretty comprehensive
with those if I remember correctly. So, I'm not sure what the beef is
here regarding Guralnick's methods. He seems to have followed the
standard procedure. I don't see any other way he could have written
the two biographies that he did.
By the way, Bill, while at Marlowe's on the 17th, which incidentally
has the BEST mushroom burgers in the world, I picked up "Elvis World
65". I have to tell you that the color photo you have on the back
cover of Elvis with the little boy on stage is priceless. Thank you
for printing that photo. I'd never seen it before. Thanks, too, for
all your continued work through the years. I envy you for having had
the opportunity to meet and talk with Elvis while he was alive.
A.
^^^^
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Broadwaychris
>here of Peter Guralnick. I don't know of any biographer that does not
>use research of other people's "material" as one of their main primary
>sources for gathering the information needed to put together a book.
>A biographer HAS to rely on the other people's material. And since
>his primary subject is no longer available to talk to, this limits his
>options as well.
I enjoyed Guralnick's 'Last Train..', as I think he did a splendid job with the
'uncomplicated' portion of Elvis' life. It's been sometime since I've read it,
but I remember that it flowed like a novel and in that sense, painted a
tangible picture of those years which I find fascinating.
He's got talent to write, but, I understand the informed criticism he's taken
for his work. If he's pilfering (sp?) stuff and getting things wrong in the
process, as he clearly did with 'Careless', a choppier read, he loses
credibility.
I think of it like this, if you're making notoriously gorgeous fruit salads
that everyone is raving about, but the fruit you used was picked off of your
neighbor's trees, it diminishes the glory of your acclaimed fruit salad or
makes it a rogue fruit salad, which can be tasty, but tainted.
Bill Burk
>With all due respect, I've never understood this criticism you have
>here of Peter Guralnick. I don't know of any biographer that does not
>use research of other people's "material" as one of their main primary
>sources for gathering the information needed to put together a book.
>A biographer HAS to rely on the other people's material. And since
>his primary subject is no longer available to talk to, this limits his
>options as well.
BChris: >>
I enjoyed Guralnick's 'Last Train..', as I think he did a splendid job with
the
'uncomplicated' portion of Elvis' life. It's been sometime since I've read
it,
but I remember that it flowed like a novel and in that sense, painted a
tangible picture of those years which I find fascinating.
He's got talent to write, but, I understand the informed criticism he's
taken
for his work. If he's pilfering (sp?) stuff and getting things wrong in the
process, as he clearly did with 'Careless', a choppier read, he loses
credibility.
I think of it like this, if you're making notoriously gorgeous fruit salads
that everyone is raving about, but the fruit you used was picked off of your
neighbor's trees, it diminishes the glory of your acclaimed fruit salad or
makes it a rogue fruit salad, which can be tasty, but tainted. >>
Well put, Chris. And if the fruit you picked WAS off a neighbor's tree, at
LEAST give the neighbor credit for taking his fruit.
But A . . . 1st, any writer who relies at least 90% on others' writings is
nothing but pure lazy. A lot of those people are still alive. I have
written the "Early Elvis" trilogy, covering E's life, from roots in Scotland
in 1745 to E going with RCA ... and I conducted over 100 personal interviews
with the actual sources (friends, family, neighbors, teachers, etc). I
"could" have read others' works and called that "research" and taken the
lazy way out. But had I done so ... as a professional ... I would be honor
bound to write the story exactly as I "researched" it from another's book
... and I would give that writer's book the proper credit.
We me, personally, and with others that I know and have heard from,
Guralnick not only "researched" our books without proper credits in the
back, but also changed some stories ... plus, he went overboard in at least
one case (researching "Revelations") and, I am told by good authority,
"borrowed" far more material than legally allowed ... to the point he and/or
his publisher had to pay a penalty.
Also, when future Elvis biographers "research" Elvis, and they come across a
story from "Careless Love" that came directly (and ONLY) out of my book,
"Elvis: Thru My Eyes," and they see two different stories, WHO are these
future biographers going to "research" from? And yet "I" was there, alone
with Elvis, when that event took place ... but in "CL," I am not even
mentioned and neither is my book credited.
A LOT of my criticism of the Great One is personal -- him and me -- and as
is my method, I have gone straight to his face with my points. He, on the
other hand, tried to change the Truth in his replies to me ... to the point
that a professional friendship of a few years is no longer.
It's not an ego thing. He's PETER GURALNICK and I know how that goes. He
has the media wrapped around his little finger, and I can understand that.
I covered the recording industry as a journalist for 26 years, and as Marty
will tell you from being IN that industry, there are STARS ... and there are
LOTS of singers in the studios and clubs who are as good, or better than,
those who get the headlines, the contracts, the stardom.
That's Life.
Maybe I've helped you some here, A. Otherwise, I am not going to dip into
the personals. The person who didn't do the right things KNOWS my feelings,
my points, and that's all that matters.
Bill Burk
That's Life.
007
******************
CLCrandall963
That's Life.
007
My criticisms of Peter - who I like as a person and appreciated his writing
before I ever met him - are smaller and more personal. I was present when he
conducted an important interview and felt he barely scratched the surface.
HOWEVER, he knew that person had been ill and perhaps he was simply being
considerate of their time.
But at his L.A. book signing when some agitated fans demanded to know why he'd
reprinted Priscilla's fairytales from her book instead of the real truths that
some fans knew, he gave what I thought was a particularly lame answer: "If
someone has written something in their own book, how do you bring up the
subject again? Do you say, 'Now tell me the REAL story?'' 007 has already
addressed that, eloquently. (Yes. You ASK.)
At that point, of course, he was already cozy with EPE and probably didn't want
to upset his gravy train. But it seemed a less-than-professional approach to
writing a history that, after all, is going to be quoted for generations as The
Truth.
A.R.
Thanks very much for taking the time to respond. This does not sound
like a pleasant subject for you to talk about, so I appreciate your
reply.
I guess it's a matter of degree to a large extent. Any biographer
will and often has to rely on the works of others. However, it all
depends on what he does then with the material. With someone like
Elvis, every author (and there have been MANY) that writes about him
is going to sound a whole lot like all the others because there are so
many common denominators. You can take someone like Winston Churchill
or Adolf Hitler, about whom so many biographies have been written as
well, and you are going to definately find similarities in them all.
I understand what you are saying. I'm sorry that things turned out
the way they did, and I can certainly appreciate your resentment. I
think that a big part of what gives Peter Guralnick his "credibility"
and his stature as the resident "expert" is that he wrote
"professionally" about the music business prior to taking on Elvis as
his subject matter (and it took him 10 years if I remember his
introduction correctly) to put all of his Elvis material together.
But you are a professional as well, and it sounds like you adhere to
professional principles.
Always remember that you have one thing over Peter Guralnick that's a
real biggie, among other things, I'm sure. You personally met and
knew Elvis Presley. Guralnick will never have that privilege.
Thanks again, Bill, and take good care of those principles you work
by. They are needed in this world today.
A.
^^^^
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