Columbia Pacific University...of Montana!
John Bear
1. They are closing their offices in Novato, California.
2. Simultaneously, they are opening offices in Missoula, Montana.
3. There will be a new, small "Alumni Affairs" office in California.
4. They are exploring Indian accreditation in Montana.
5. Dick Crews has retired after 22 years as president.
6. Les Carr becomes president.
7. They have filed an appeal in federal court hoping to
overrule the state appellate court that turned down their
appeal of the order to close down.
The best news (for me) is that they did all this in time for me to make
appropriate changes in my 14th edition. Now if only Greenwich would . . .
John Bear
http://www.degree.net
harves...@my-deja.com
confident that John Gray will be pleased that the small "Alumni
Affairs" office will remain in California.
Regards,
HH
In article <qwRV5.622$IB6.1...@den-news1.rmi.net>,
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Before you buy.
Earon Kavanagh
CPU alumni I am in regular contact with. Here is a response from one of
them, who posted same response to the rest of the group. I have removed his
name.
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Response of One CPU Alum to News of CPU's Move to Montana
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Dr. Bear's information nails the lid on things. No matter when one obtained
a
degree from CPU, it is a worthless piece of paper. My regrets to those who
do
not have other academic credentials to fall back on. What a tremendous
disservice to all of us who took Carr, et al, at their word. With so many
opportunities over the many years to do the right thing and do what was
required to maintain approval by the State, the fools just couldn't get it
right. It's as if they, by a lack of moral values, were ordained to
failure,
with the graduates having to pay the price. Moving to Montana? What a joke!
Seeking Indian accreditation? What a load of crap! Dr. Carr, take Frank
Zappa's advice and get yourself a dental floss farm. You have screwed
hundreds
if not thousands, but at least we have credibility and integrity that
remains
in tact. Sleep well Dr. Carr.
End of CPU Alum's Response
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<harves...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Earon Kavanagh
responds:
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I couldn't agree more. The CPU degree is a wothless piece of paper-I am in
the
process of denying mine-sort of like repression, but I just can't seem to
shake it
totally until I get my legitimate PhD next year. Most educational
institutions
take very seriously their responsibility and accountability to have proper
authorization, evaluation, and approval-the University I teach at will go
through
three processes this year alone to be approved, externally evaluated and
accredited. But good ole CPU my ala mater unfortunately chose not to do the
right
thing,but decided to take the back door route-and guess whose stuck. I
couldn't
give a rat's ass where Les Carr set up shop-CPU is a shadey outfit. I join
ranks
with all of you who are keeping up the pressure to expose this kind of
fradulant
actions. Does the State of Montana know about this operation, and what are
their
regulations.
End of response
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"Earon Kavanagh" <earonk...@mortimer.com> wrote in message
news:3a281...@portal.ca...
Earon Kavanagh
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This is terrible news.I put a lot of work and effort into my masters degree
-- even had a former FBI chief act as my mentor during my project.
I'm stuck since the college I work for knows I have an MA. And CPU has
credibility because the State University of New York listed CPU in their
"Innovative Graduate Programs" catalog (1983-84 and 1985-86).
Why hasn's CPU contacted me to tell me how I maintain my degree? It's too
late to deny having it. Man, this is something I never expected from CPU.
I
went there in 1984 because the State of California required at least a
seminar in order to receive an "approved" degree. I enjoyed my time on
CPU's
campus in Northern CA. Great people, terrific degree program, and wondeful
weather. Ya can't beat that. Man, this whole situation is terrible.
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"Earon Kavanagh" <earonk...@mortimer.com> wrote in message
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Bill Dayson
> WOW! A Xerox copier for Montana, so they
> too can produce diplomas! I am confident that
> John Gray will be pleased that the small
> "Alumni Affairs" office will remain in California.
I don't know Harvesthills. Perhaps you are right, and it has gotten to
the "xerox machine" stage.
I can't help thinking that this is a tragedy though. I used to be a fan
of Columbia Pacific's way back in the late 70's. I thought it was cool,
and even considered it myself. They seemed to be pretty credible, and
were putting real effort into developing their programs. If they had
kept at it, and perhaps if WASC had been a little more receptive, they
might have become another Union Institute.
Didn't Dr. Bear say that Les Carr was the former president of the New
College of California that steered it to regional accreditation? They
aren't everyone's cup of tea, but I kind of like them. (You can't find
that concentration of dressed in black club-kids with cool haircuts
anywhere else this side of New York. But hey, it's what they do, they
don't try to be all things for all people.)
Then Carr went into doctorates and research with Columbia Pacific, and
that seemed to have a lot of potential too, even though it was more iffy
being without accreditation. But they showed an openness to esoteric
subjects that it was hard to find anywhere else. You could actually do a
Ph.D in parapsychology (my interest at the time.) Seeing as how their
president had a credible track record, I really don't blame John Gray
for enrolling.
Now, twenty years later, it's reduced to crossing state lines to stay
ahead of the law and claiming weird and worthless Indian tribe
accreditation. I guess the next step downwards will be New Utopia under
the sea.
Somewhere along the way this thing went seriously off the rails. And I
hate to see innovative educational ideas (and idealistic educational
innovators) end their careers like this....
Dr. Leland M. Goldblatt
> confident that John Gray will be pleased that the small "Alumni
> Affairs" office will remain in California.
>
--
Without prejudice; Dr. Goldblatt pontificates:
Dr. Goldblatt thought the man are from mars and chicks are from Haiti's
attended Columbia when it was an accredited university?
If not, does this mean Dr. Goldblatt can have info commercials and be a guru
to the stars?
Shalom,
Leland Milton Goldblatt
"Ignore 'em, m'dear, they're beneath your dignity." -W.C. Fields
www.miltong.com
http://goldblatt.faithweb.com
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<harves...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> WOW! A Xerox copier for Montana, so they too can produce diplomas! I am
> confident that John Gray will be pleased that the small "Alumni
> Affairs" office will remain in California.
>
Earon Kavanagh
This one is from Australia, name removed by me:
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To all alumni
What have we all done to deserve the attitude and despicable actions of the
CPU administration?now I know why my many requests went unanswered when I
requested new documentation of my degree after their loss in an earthquake
in 89, all I have is a photocopy of a photocopy of ... well!! and as we now
know is worthless!! .. I sympathize with all who have now no other
qualification to fall back on... the shock is being felt down under here in
Australia.. our institutions of higher learning also take very seriously
their attendant responsibilities... well, back to the drawing board...I do
sympathize with john Bear as it was his communique that enticed me to CPU in
the eighties!! and that was when they had some sort of accreditation!! but
the gaining of my BE was one of hard financial struggle and tremendous brain
strain...a lot of bloody work!! now I will start to look at my degree with
some sense that I got the worthless scrap of paper only on my hard work and
struggle - my self-worth!!! I cannot in reality accept what Les Carr and
associates have done ... ethics be damned!! they have shown us that they
have no ethics and as an alumni we should pursue them to their own end ..
the discreditation of their own degrees with the alma mater that they
received them from - for their despicable actions!! surely the ethical thing
to do is that they shoot themselves??? We all worked hard for these
shysters, suggest our alumni stick together as referees to each other ... it
may help some of our own who are no doubt now feeling very vulnerable to
their present if not future employers....
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"Bill Dayson" <cis...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Harvesthills writes:
>
> > WOW! A Xerox copier for Montana, so they
> > too can produce diplomas! I am confident that
> > John Gray will be pleased that the small
> > "Alumni Affairs" office will remain in California.
>
harves...@my-deja.com
The CA state approved schools did have a certain attraction, as well as
potential. Some of them still do. Nor do I think all of the schools in
that category are degree mills.
And you are correct in your observation, that it is a tragedy,
considering what many of these schools could have become. Even now, it
would appear that some of the CA schools have the potential to become
regionally accredited, if they would pursue such a route with integrity.
However, given the recent decision to close CPU, and Oregon's decision
to make the use of a Cal Coast degree illegal in that state, a degree
from one of these schools certainly has a limited market value.
Regards,
HH
In article <14574-3A2...@storefull-246.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
far...@my-deja.com
"John Bear" <john...@mac.com> wrote:
> The word from Les Carr, owner of Columbia Pacific, this very day is:
>
> 1. They are closing their offices in Novato, California.
> 2. Simultaneously, they are opening offices in Missoula, Montana.
> 3. There will be a new, small "Alumni Affairs" office in California.
> 4. They are exploring Indian accreditation in Montana.
> 5. Dick Crews has retired after 22 years as president.
> 6. Les Carr becomes president.
> 7. They have filed an appeal in federal court hoping to
> overrule the state appellate court that turned down their
> appeal of the order to close down.
>
> The best news (for me) is that they did all this in time for me to
make
> appropriate changes in my 14th edition. Now if only Greenwich
would . . .
>
> John Bear
> http://www.degree.net
>
I've heard that this will also be discussed in detail in John Grays'
forthcoming book "Les Carr is from Mars and Richard Crews is from
Venus".
far...@my-deja.com
harves...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Bill,
>
> The CA state approved schools did have a certain attraction, as well
as
> potential. Some of them still do. Nor do I think all of the schools in
> that category are degree mills.
Does that mean that it is up to the consumer to make the determination
as to which schools are mills and which are not? What then is the value
of approval status?
>
> And you are correct in your observation, that it is a tragedy,
> considering what many of these schools could have become. Even now, it
> would appear that some of the CA schools have the potential to become
> regionally accredited, if they would pursue such a route with
integrity.
Perhaps the real tragedy is that they were approved in the first
place.Given the remarkably corrupt history of these types of schools
maybe they just took advantage of the opportunity afforded them by
Calif. The passage of time has merely allowed them to sink to the level
expected from such nonsense.
>
> However, given the recent decision to close CPU, and Oregon's decision
> to make the use of a Cal Coast degree illegal in that state, a degree
> from one of these schools certainly has a limited market value.
And given that several Calif. approved DL degree holders have been
publicly humiliated in news articles perhaps these degrees are
dangerous too.
>
> Regards,
> HH
>
Dan