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Jennymaseldorf

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Feb 8, 2003, 6:24:40 PM2/8/03
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Hello,

I was thinking of enrolling at American Military University to earn a bachelors
in Information Technology Management. I came to this board to find out more
about the program and stumbled into a few posts that disturb me. It looks like
the professor who instructs some of the classes for this degree is Quinn Tyler
Jackson, who some people here have said holds totally fake degrees. How is it
possible for an accredited school to allow this? I just don't want to enroll in
the school and be sorry later for this.

Does anyone know if he is still teaching there? Who can I contact at the school
about this question?

Jenny

dlkereluk

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Feb 8, 2003, 8:31:47 PM2/8/03
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"Jennymaseldorf" <jennyma...@aol.com> wrote in message
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He doesn't appear to be in the faculty list at
http://www.apus.edu/AMU/Undergraduate/uprofessors.asp, but this does not
mean that he isn't an adjunct. You might want to go to the AMU website to
check for contact info at
http://www.apus.edu/AMU/General_Information/contact.asp.
As always, please be sure that obtaining a degree with DETC accreditation
will be satisfactory in your chosen career.

Good luck in your studies!

Darren.


Jennymaseldorf

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Feb 8, 2003, 9:17:15 PM2/8/03
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>He doesn't appear to be in the faculty list at
>http://www.apus.edu/AMU/Undergraduate/uprofessors.asp, but this does not
>mean that he isn't an adjunct.

Thanks Darren. I checked the school's online catalog and he does teach at AMU.
He is even teaching what seems like a law class! Here is what I found. I
noticed he did not mention anything about his education like the rest of the
instructors do. Here is the link to his biography.

http://www.apus.edu/AMU/campus/course_information.asp?h_action=professor_b
iography&facultyid=606

I will be looking into another school it looks like.

Jenny

dlkereluk

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Feb 8, 2003, 9:27:25 PM2/8/03
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When you are dealing with the amount of money that a university education
involves, it always pays to be cautious. It's clear that you are doing a lot
of research before you make your final choice, so I think that it bodes well
for your future endeavours.

Darren.


Jennymaseldorf

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Feb 8, 2003, 9:39:28 PM2/8/03
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>When you are dealing with the amount of money that a university education
>involves, it always pays to be cautious. It's clear that you are doing a lot
>of research before you make your final choice, so I think that it bodes well
>for your future endeavours.
>
>Darren.
>
>
>
>

I guess the old saying is true about being careful what you pay for! I am
already looking at a few regionally accredited schools that offer information
technology degrees. I am glad I did my homework first!

Floyd Arguello

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Feb 8, 2003, 11:33:41 PM2/8/03
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I spent a lot of time looking for a distance ed IT program, and even
considered AMU. I decided that regional accreditation would be better for
myself, and I chose Regis University. If you would like, I could send you
all of the information that I received from their admissions department, and
you could look it over without any pressure. They offer Computer Information
Systems, Computer Science, and Computer Networking, and made US News and
Reports Top 10 list of schools in the west.

Floyd

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Jennymaseldorf

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Feb 9, 2003, 2:10:40 PM2/9/03
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>I spent a lot of time looking for a distance ed IT program, and even
>considered AMU. I decided that regional accreditation would be better for
>myself, and I chose Regis University. If you would like, I could send you

Hi Floyd. I went to the Regis site and requested information. I also wrote an
email to the school about this particular professor. It just pisses me off that
schools allow people from degree mills to teach courses. The son of a bitch
even says he is an "APA" nominee. So now he is a lawyer, a psychologist and a
computer expert? Count on me calling the APA tomorrow about Professor Jackson.

I am also looking at the Univ. of Colorado's Computer Certificate Program.
http://www.colorado.edu/ContinuingEducation/

If you know of any other schools, let me know.

Jenny


Ed

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Feb 9, 2003, 6:55:07 PM2/9/03
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jennyma...@aol.com (Jennymaseldorf) wrote in message news:<20030209141040...@mb-mn.aol.com>...

Jenny, you are making the right choice. Write a letter to the DETC to
complain at in...@detc.org. You can also call the West Virginia Higher
Education Policy Commission at (304) 558-2101. This is the only way to
get rid of bad apples like Jackson at schools. Many times, these
institutions do not even know that the staff hold fake degrees.

Putney

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Feb 9, 2003, 10:27:40 PM2/9/03
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First of all, let me state that I do not know the full particulars of
this case...too many snips. I do not know whether the person in question
who has been identified as someone who got a degree from a degree mill is
passing that degree off as his only credential.

But I do have any important question. What is this Jackson fellow
teaching? and does he have expertise in what he is teaching? I know a
fully accredited campus based state school somewhere on the east coast
that hired a friend of mine to teach sculpting. This person in question
had not even received a bachelors degree, but in the area of sculpture,
he was second to none and was an amazing artist. He had not become famous
(nor to my knowledge, has anyone "discovered" his work yet) but he KNEW
what he was talking about.

So I want to ask you...are you ticked that this person is passing himself
off as an expert in something that he is not and therefore cannot teach
in a subject properly? Or are you just upset that an expert in something
decided to get a degree mill document to try to lend legitimacy to
something he truly does know? If this is just a witch-hunt to scourge the
land of people who have a degree mill in their past...then its a sad
commentary...Universities used to be places one went to learn something,
not to simply get credits and come out at the other end with a piece of
parchment and a transcript (legitimate or otherwise).

Having said all this, I do believe in the accreditation standards that
are put in place to protect academia and the average student who truly
does want to acquire a degree that is "worth something". I have a
bachelor's and a Master's from accredited institutions and would never
try to fake anything I was not entitled to. At this moment I am
contemplating a Ph.D. also through a traditional accredited campus-based
university...however, if one of my professors wasn't the holder of a
Bachelor's, and yet he/she really Really REALLY knew their stuff...it
wouldn't bother me in the slightest. If the university is satisfied that
they could get no one better in the field...and stood behind them, its
good enough for me. Come to think about it...in one of my bachelor's
courses, the instructor held only a bachelors themselves and yet, in the
field he was teaching in...I know not many would be better qualified - I
learned tons from him!

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Wes Grady

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Feb 10, 2003, 11:19:28 AM2/10/03
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For whatever it's worth.......


Quinn is a prolific writer. He has published a number of books, articles
and lots of poems. Most of his books were published by Xliberis, a vanity
publisher, but are carried by both Barnes and Noble and Amazon, giving them
credibility.

His stated area of expertise is in parsing. I make absolutely no comment
about that, since I could not even hazard a guess as to what this amount to,
but whatever it is, he is supposed to be an expert in that area.

He did, for quite some time, have a website that listed his academic
credentials. That site is no longer up and running and his current website
is void of any reference. Based upon his prior posts, he has completed 3
courses in a community college and then obtained his BA, MA and Ph.D. all
from American Coastline University.

He has posted the following comment, albeit some time ago: Fact of the
matter is ... I don't really want to be a professor of Computer Science, or
anything else. If I ever in the future need a doctorate for "utility" -- it
would be in something like educational psychology, not computer science.
Why? I find teaching to be extremely draining. It doesn't suit my
personality at all. Sharing knowledge through writing, yes ... but in an
undergraduate setting -- just no way I have the personality or
inclination -- and I know it.


And his current website has the following information, based upon his
interview with a student (the comments were written by the student in 2001)

Quinn Tyler Jackson is a philosopher, computer scientist, poet, editor,
columnist, novelist, and sketch artist, amongst other things. Jackson has a
B.A. in English Literature, an M.Sc. in Computer Science, and a Ph.D. in
Computer Science (Computational Linguistics). He is considered by many
measures to be well into the genius range. I am elated to be given the
privilege to interview such a highly gifted individual who has been awarded
so many honors. Jackson has published many works on a variety of topics,
which are included in his website.

Additional poems written by Jackson can also be viewed on the Raven Seeking
website.

Jackson is a Mega Society East - Candidate Member, and a member of the
Poetic Genius Society and Ultranet. His website was given the following
awards: BTDesign Award; the Sinapsis Bronze Award for Intellectual Attitude;
The Critical Mass Award; Shadow Poetry Bronze Award; Kokopelli Bronze Award;
Krista's Korner Bronze Award of Excellence; Ultraweb Level 2 Award; Web
Worksite - Cool Site Bronze Award; and the 2001-2002 Golden Web Award.

Jackson holds BrainBench certifications in the following: Master Written
English; Written French; Master Business Writing; Technical Writing; Editing
& Proofing (Chicago Style); English Vocabulary; Master Spelling (U.S.);
Publishing Industry Knowledge (U.S.); Interpersonal Communications;
Counseling Techniques; Sexual Harassment Awareness (U.S.); Master Childcare
Fundamentals (U.S.); Telephone Etiquette; Medical Terminology; Typing Speed
and Accuracy; Speedwriting; Internet Industry Knowledge; Master E-Commerce
Concepts; HTML 4.0; Telecommunications Industry Knowledge; Master Computer
Fundamentals (WIN 95/98); Internet Security; Computer Technical Support;
Object-Oriented Developer; Project Management; Software Quality Assurance;
Programmer / Analyst Aptitude; C++ Programmer; C; Visual C++; Windows
Application Program Interface; and he is an E-Certified Professional in both
English Grammar / Usage and Master C++ Programmer.


Quinn and I have crossed swords a number of times and I do consider his
degrees subpect, but he has never misrepresented his degrees and has never
been less than forthright.

For whatever its worth......

Wes

Jennymaseldorf

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Feb 10, 2003, 5:17:29 PM2/10/03
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Hello Wes, I wanted to jot down a few things afte reading your post.

>He has posted the following comment, albeit some time ago: Fact of the
>matter is ... I don't really want to be a professor of Computer Science,

But the fact is, he is a professor of computer science at AMU. According to
what you posted, he says one thing and then does another. Sounds like he is a
huge liar.

>I find teaching to be extremely draining. It doesn't suit my
>personality at all.

So why is he instructing at AMU? Doesn't this seem strange to you?

>He is considered by many
>measures to be well into the genius range.

A real "genius"does not broadcast to the world on his website that he is
intellegent. Sorry but it sounds like the man is trying to pretend to be
something he is not.


Jennymaseldorf

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Feb 10, 2003, 5:28:14 PM2/10/03
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>Jackson holds BrainBench certifications

Brainbench certifications can be taken by anyone. This is not like miscrosoft
certification or something official. it may sound impressive, but when you look
closer it is no big deal. I can go to the site now and pay a fee to take a test
and I will have a "brainbench" certification too.

>BA, MA and Ph.D. all
>from American Coastline University.

I just looked up the website and looked at the school. It has no telephone
number and has a forwarding address. You can look for yourself on the website
at http://www.amercoastuniv.edu They also claim accreditation from Russia or
whatever.

>Most of his books were published by Xliberis, a vanity
>publisher

So he paid a few bucks to have his books published from a vanity place. Can't
anyone do that sort of thing?

>He did, for quite some time, have a website that listed his academic
>credentials. That site is no longer up and running and his current website

I wonder why? Would you list a bunch of fake degrees from a mill?

Jenny

Bakz

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Feb 13, 2003, 6:43:58 PM2/13/03
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Gee Wes, I didn't know Quinn was a client.

:>)

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Wes & Linda Grady

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Feb 13, 2003, 7:19:00 PM2/13/03
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I would be his worst nightmare, and he mine.....

Wes


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> Gee Wes, I didn't know Quinn was a client.
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Bakz

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Feb 14, 2003, 2:19:30 PM2/14/03
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Counselor,

Yes, I've read a few of your battles at degree.com, and some of Quinn's
efforts at his site. The shame is, Quinn could easily acquire some RA
credentials and add some credence to his resume.
Oh well! I admire your restraint, and the mutuality of respect.

Bakz
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