Cross University Posting. Hurrah!

[Zebedee [Boing!]]

Just thought I'd start a thread that went both to dur.general and
ed.general for no apparent reason. Hello Edinburgh!
Anyone fancy joining in this friendly little cross uni chit chat?
What do people talk about in Edinburgh. Answers on the back of an e-mail
please. Most obscene gets a finger of fudge. ooo-er.

love 'n' hugs,

J.

p.s. anyone fancy writing my essay for me???

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[J A W Phillips]

Some strange person called Cathryn wrote:

: I read ed.general once and it was crap and boring and had nothing in it
: except crap and boring stuff. Like BUY MY CAR cos I'm selling it. Or
: COME TO THIS SOCIAL EVENT. Or I'VE LOST MY RING, IF ANYONE FINDS IT
: PLEASE RETURN IT TO THIS ADDRESS:. etc. I think dur.general rules and
: nobody else from any other university has the initiative or intelligence
: to create such an interesting and informative newsgroup as ours.

Anybody who is insane enough to make ANOTHER durge must be truly warped.
( convieniently forgets alt.durge )

John

P.S It would appear that this IS going to ed.general ( if I got the
headers right anyway )

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[Sandy Nicholson]

J.P.M....@durham.ac.uk writes in a cross-posting to dur.general,
alt.dur.general, alt.test, dur.test and ed.general:

`Just thought I'd start a thread that went both to dur.general and
ed.general for no apparent reason...fancy joining in this friendly
little cross uni chit chat?'

This is all very well in principal (though it seems a trifle ill-motivated),
but:
a) why include the three other groups, particularly the test groups?
b) ed.general is a city-wide newsgroup; eduni.general is the newsgroup
for miscellaneous discussion pertaining to Edinburgh University.

If people from Durham and Edinburgh Universities do wish to engage in some
inter-varsity discussion along academic or other lines, I have set follow-
ups to this post to go to dur.general and eduni.general alone. (I have to
confess that I can't think of anything interesting to talk about myself,
but, in a fit of pedantry, posted this followup!)
--
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http://www.maths.ed.ac.uk/~anich

[G T Clark]

> Cathryn wrote:

> I read ed.general once and it was crap and boring and had nothing in it
> except crap and boring stuff. Like BUY MY CAR cos I'm selling it. Or
> COME TO THIS SOCIAL EVENT. Or I'VE LOST MY RING, IF ANYONE FINDS IT
> PLEASE RETURN IT TO THIS ADDRESS:. etc. I think dur.general rules and
> nobody else from any other university has the initiative or intelligence
> to create such an interesting and informative newsgroup as ours.

Well, that'll teach her to leave her terminal logged in.

G.

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[H M Lehrach]

Andrew (A.J.D...@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
: On Tue, 18 Feb 1997, Zebedee [Boing!] wrote:

: Isn't that obvious, they talk about how dissapointed they are that they
: can't be English!

I thought all the students were!?
hans...knows a sample of 3

[Jasper Taylor]

Sandy Nicholson wrote:

> a) why include the three other groups, particularly the test groups?

I think the test groups are because a news host in one site will not
recognize the newsgroup that is local to the other, so will not send the
post off site unless there is another, recognized, global newsgroup in
the list. Once it has been sent worldwide, the news host in the other
city will recognize its local newsgroup and put the message on it. I've
used the same trick to post to groups not carried by my server.

[Shepton Mallet]

What has Zebedee [Boing!] (J.P.M....@durham.ac.uk) been taking? I mean, look:
: Just thought I'd start a thread that went both to dur.general and
: ed.general for no apparent reason. Hello Edinburgh!
: Anyone fancy joining in this friendly little cross uni chit chat?
: What do people talk about in Edinburgh. Answers on the back of an e-mail

: please. Most obscene gets a finger of fudge. ooo-er.

<flame bait>
They talk about how DUBC are going to slaughter EUBC at Nottingham and
Tyne Heads.
</flame bait>

Unless Davros lends a hand again.

Jon

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[David Marshall]

In a post, Sandy Nicholson <an...@holyrood.edinburgh.ac.uk> wrote:
> This is all very well in principal (though it seems a trifle ill-motivated),
> but:

> a) why include the three other groups, particularly the test groups?

alt.dur.general is the global extension of dur.general. alt.test needs to
be included so that posts to alt.dur.general get out of and into Durham as
Durham's ITS refuse to carry alt.dur.general for reasons of pedantry. dur.test
was a bit unnecessary.

> b) ed.general is a city-wide newsgroup; eduni.general is the newsgroup
> for miscellaneous discussion pertaining to Edinburgh University.

Erm, hello people in Edinburgh. I've never been, but my gran tells me it's
nice.

Dave
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[Timothy Lee]

J A W Phillips (J.A.W.P...@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
: Some strange person called Timothy Lee wrote:
: : Stu (S.D.Te...@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
: : : On the fine day of 18 Feb 1997 16:36:08 GMT T S Auton Penned:
: : : : anybody know of any other x.generals? Or shall we just use a few carrier
: : : : groups and try a few places out.
: <SNIP>
: : : Isn't there a cam.local?

: : Well let us see if anyone responds to this and we might find out.

: Except of course that nobody from Edinburgh has responded yet ( well to
: the ng at least ) so perhaps that means that Edinburgh doesn't exist...
: Come on guys, get you acts together...

If the cambridge one is correct we should get a response from them since
some of their colleges have connexions in their rooms. I know someone with
an old HP and a Linux box connected up from his room. I suppose we could
ask someone what their group is actually called.

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Stu (S.D.Te...@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
: On the fine day of 18 Feb 1997 16:36:08 GMT T S Auton Penned:
: : anybody know of any other x.generals? Or shall we just use a few carrier

: : groups and try a few places out. Not that I would advocate such an action,
: : of course. If it is against ITS regs. If it isn't then let's do it. Or let
: : somebody else do it as it's a bit pointless an I can't be arsed.

: Isn't there a cam.local?

Well let us see if anyone responds to this and we might find out.

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[J A W Phillips]

Some strange person called Timothy Lee wrote:

: Stu (S.D.Te...@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
: : On the fine day of 18 Feb 1997 16:36:08 GMT T S Auton Penned:
: : : anybody know of any other x.generals? Or shall we just use a few carrier
: : : groups and try a few places out.

<SNIP>
: : Isn't there a cam.local?

: Well let us see if anyone responds to this and we might find out.

Except of course that nobody from Edinburgh has responded yet ( well to

the ng at least ) so perhaps that means that Edinburgh doesn't exist...
Come on guys, get you acts together...

John

[Timothy Lee]

Andrew (A.J.D...@durham.ac.uk) wrote:

: Ed.general isn't on the Durham newsgroup server, which most people are on,
: so does that mean that none of our messages get there?

Neither is alt.durge but we can route stuff through there by using
alt.test

[Andrew]

On 19 Feb 1997, J A W Phillips wrote:

>Some strange person called Timothy Lee wrote:
>: Stu (S.D.Te...@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
>: : On the fine day of 18 Feb 1997 16:36:08 GMT T S Auton Penned:
>: : : anybody know of any other x.generals? Or shall we just use a few carrier
>: : : groups and try a few places out.
><SNIP>
>: : Isn't there a cam.local?
>
>: Well let us see if anyone responds to this and we might find out.
>
>Except of course that nobody from Edinburgh has responded yet ( well to
>the ng at least ) so perhaps that means that Edinburgh doesn't exist...
>Come on guys, get you acts together...

Ed.general isn't on the Durham newsgroup server, which most people are on,

so does that mean that none of our messages get there?

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[Otto Bahn]

Timothy Lee wrote:

>
> J A W Phillips (J.A.W.P...@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
> : Some strange person called Timothy Lee wrote:
> : : Stu (S.D.Te...@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
> : : : On the fine day of 18 Feb 1997 16:36:08 GMT T S Auton Penned:
> : : : : anybody know of any other x.generals? Or shall we just use a few carrier
> : : : : groups and try a few places out.
> : <SNIP>
> : : : Isn't there a cam.local?
>
> : : Well let us see if anyone responds to this and we might find out.
>
> : Except of course that nobody from Edinburgh has responded yet ( well to
> : the ng at least ) so perhaps that means that Edinburgh doesn't exist...
> : Come on guys, get you acts together...

Edinburgh...wait a minute...the British are coming!

> If the cambridge one is correct we should get a response from them since
> some of their colleges have connexions in their rooms. I know someone with
> an old HP and a Linux box connected up from his room. I suppose we could
> ask someone what their group is actually called.

There's a Durham and Cambridge over here too, with two of
our finer institutions. So yes, alt.test should get you
about anywhere ya want but don't you get those autoresponder
emails? (guess I'll find out soon enough...)

--oTTo--

[R P W Richards]

A great philosopher Timothy Lee once wrote:
: J A W Phillips (J.A.W.P...@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
: : Some strange person called Timothy Lee wrote:
: : : Stu (S.D.Te...@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
: : : : On the fine day of 18 Feb 1997 16:36:08 GMT T S Auton Penned:
: : : : : anybody know of any other x.generals? Or shall we just use a few carrier
: : : : : groups and try a few places out.
: : <SNIP>

: If the cambridge one is correct we should get a response from them since

: some of their colleges have connexions in their rooms. I know someone with
: an old HP and a Linux box connected up from his room. I suppose we could
: ask someone what their group is actually called.

I know someone in Oxford who has a connection to his room, and he tells me
there is an ox.general.... so here goes!

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[Timothy Lee]

R P W Richards (R.P.W.R...@durham.ac.uk) wrote:

: I know someone in Oxford who has a connection to his room, and he tells me

: there is an ox.general.... so here goes!

ed.local has been removed from this thread as well because as some of us
are aware, they do not seem to be at all light hearted.

[A D Stribblehill]

Zebedee [Boing!] (J.P.M....@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
: p.s. anyone fancy writing my essay for me???

Here you go: an essay for you. Just point any friendly Web browser in the
direction of http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d518cj/11dim.html

Considering I knew nothing of this at 20:00 yesterday, and now I've done
over 1500 words on the topic, I'm well chuffed.

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[Benjamin Webb]

Timothy Lee wrote:
>
> R P W Richards (R.P.W.R...@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
>
> : I know someone in Oxford who has a connection to his room, and he tells me
> : there is an ox.general.... so here goes!
>
> ed.local has been removed from this thread as well because as some of us
> are aware, they do not seem to be at all light hearted.

Yes, there is indeed an ox.general. So now you know.

Ben
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[Ian Collier]

In article <330E04...@sable.ox.ac.uk>, Benjamin Webb <wadh...@sable.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
>Yes, there is indeed an ox.general. So now you know.

And incidentally, just in case you lot thought this "cross-university
posting" lark was new, we in Oxford did all that back in December and
as a result now have an "oxbridge" news hierarchy (well, hierarchy is
probably a bit grandiose for two newsgroups). So there.
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[J A W Phillips]

Some strange person called Timothy Lee wrote:
: R P W Richards (R.P.W.R...@durham.ac.uk) wrote:

: : I know someone in Oxford who has a connection to his room, and he tells me
: : there is an ox.general.... so here goes!

: ed.local has been removed from this thread as well because as some of us
: are aware, they do not seem to be at all light hearted.

Don't seem to be having much luck with cam.local either ( though they
haven't told us to sod off yet... ). Perhaps we should inform them of the
thrilling(?) range of topics we discuss. Oh but then again, we want them
to post here don't we ;)

Oh yes, and are we sure than cam.local and ox.general are local
university groups, because we don't really want a repeat of that
ed.general buisness, now, do we...

[Timothy Lee]

J A W Phillips (J.A.W.P...@durham.ac.uk) wrote:

: Some strange person called Timothy Lee wrote:
: : R P W Richards (R.P.W.R...@durham.ac.uk) wrote:

: : : I know someone in Oxford who has a connection to his room, and he tells me
: : : there is an ox.general.... so here goes!

: : ed.local has been removed from this thread as well because as some of us
: : are aware, they do not seem to be at all light hearted.

: Don't seem to be having much luck with cam.local either ( though they
: haven't told us to sod off yet... ). Perhaps we should inform them of the
: thrilling(?) range of topics we discuss. Oh but then again, we want them
: to post here don't we ;)

: Oh yes, and are we sure than cam.local and ox.general are local
: university groups, because we don't really want a repeat of that
: ed.general buisness, now, do we...

I have added ucam.chat to the newsgroups list for this, which is
apparently the name of the cambridge one (well that is what a 2nd yr
engineer there says) so we might get some responses, I think there are
also ucam.wanted and ucam.forsale or something similar.

[Barry Young]

In article <5ek6kb$1...@mercury.dur.ac.uk>, J A W Phillips wrote:
>Oh yes, and are we sure than cam.local and ox.general are local
>university groups, because we don't really want a repeat of that
>ed.general buisness, now, do we...

Hmmmmmmm, not sure if ox.general is the best place for this. Perhaps ox.talk
or even (*shudder*) ox.test - I just tend to think of ox.general as having
some sort of vaguely useful purpose. No evidence for this of course, but
you'd be less likely to annoy people by using either of those two groups. I
think.

B.

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[David Lecomber]

In a previous article i...@ecs.ox.ac.uk (Ian Collier) scribbled

>In article <330E04...@sable.ox.ac.uk>, Benjamin Webb <wadh...@sable.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
>>Yes, there is indeed an ox.general. So now you know.
>
>And incidentally, just in case you lot thought this "cross-university
>posting" lark was new, we in Oxford did all that back in December and
>as a result now have an "oxbridge" news hierarchy (well, hierarchy is
>probably a bit grandiose for two newsgroups). So there.

I think there's room for durham in that hierarchy. oxbridge.wannabes?

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[Steven Clarke]

In ox.general J A W Phillips <J.A.W.P...@durham.ac.uk> wrote:

: Oh yes, and are we sure than cam.local and ox.general are local
: university groups, because we don't really want a repeat of that
: ed.general buisness, now, do we...

ox.general is a University newsgroup although ox.talk might be a
better choice.

The cam.* newsgroups are for the city of Cambridge. An appropriate
University newsgroup would probably be ucam.chat. Or alternatively,
post to oxbridge.tat and talk to both Universities at once.

Steve Clarke

[cam.misc replaced by ucam.chat and alt.test by uk.test to speed up
propogation]

[Peter Harding]

On 21 Feb 1997, David Lecomber wrote:

> I think there's room for durham in that hierarchy. oxbridge.wannabes?

Yessssssss ... where's Durham anyway?

[James Thorne]

In article <Pine.OSF.3.91.970221...@ermine.ox.ac.uk>,

Up North somewhere, I think - generally they're under snow, so no one
hears much about them. Bit like where David Lecomber comes from really;-)

James

[Dan Sheppard]

In article <5ek73o$1...@mercury.dur.ac.uk>,

Timothy Lee <Timot...@durham.ac.uk> wrote:
>J A W Phillips (J.A.W.P...@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
>: Some strange person called Timothy Lee wrote:
>: : R P W Richards (R.P.W.R...@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
>
>: : : I know someone in Oxford who has a connection to his room, and he tells me
>: : : there is an ox.general.... so here goes!
>
>: : ed.local has been removed from this thread as well because as some of us
>: : are aware, they do not seem to be at all light hearted.
>
>: Don't seem to be having much luck with cam.local either ( though they
>: haven't told us to sod off yet... ). Perhaps we should inform them of the
>: thrilling(?) range of topics we discuss. Oh but then again, we want them
>: to post here don't we ;)
>

>: Oh yes, and are we sure than cam.local and ox.general are local
>: university groups, because we don't really want a repeat of that
>: ed.general buisness, now, do we...
>

>I have added ucam.chat to the newsgroups list for this, which is
>apparently the name of the cambridge one (well that is what a 2nd yr
>engineer there says) so we might get some responses, I think there are
>also ucam.wanted and ucam.forsale or something similar.
>

What happened in ed.local then?

The cam groups are for Cambridge the place, the town, the residents,
the tourists, and students, the cyclists, and motorists, those in
favour and against traffic calming, all hand in hand, merrily going
about their business in the island [almost] in the fens. :-)

The ucam groups are for the University.

It is, in general, a bad idea to post to cam.misc with the body text

``I am a motorist who likes the traffic calming on Storeys Way because
it makes it easier for me to run over `locals' on bicycles, because
Cambridge is a town exclusively for students who like genetically engineered
soya, and tourists from our beloved USA. In particular I'm a great fan of
the District and County Councils, and Cambus, a bus company who always
put the safety of other road users first.''

One hint, if you're x-posting to ucam.chat always capitalise

Does anybody ....

thusly

DoeS aNyBody ....

It's a long story.

Dan.
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[Darren Edmundson]

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:>
:> > I think there's room for durham in that hierarchy. oxbridge.wannabes?
:>
:> Yessssssss ... where's Durham anyway?

Well from here it's out to the LINX, across to telehouse, onto ja.net, and
take the turnoff marked dur.ja.net. If you see newcastle then you've gone
too far....

- Darren always gets 'traceroute' and 'autoroute' confused.[1]

[1] if you'll excuse me there's a unix box dropping packets all over the
M25.

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[T M Joyce]

B J Watkins (B.J.W...@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
: Benjamin Webb (wadh...@sable.ox.ac.uk) wrote:

: : Timothy Lee wrote:
: : >
: : > R P W Richards (R.P.W.R...@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
: : >
: : > : I know someone in Oxford who has a connection to his room, and he tells me
: : > : there is an ox.general.... so here goes!
: : >
: : > ed.local has been removed from this thread as well because as some of us
: : > are aware, they do not seem to be at all light hearted.

: : Yes, there is indeed an ox.general. So now you know.

: : Ben

: I can't cope. I thought I had posted this for a minute, and got very very
: confused. I'm off for some coffee now....

: Ben

: Who doesn't like cross posting, because it means he gets confused since
: there is more than one Ben now.

I could have sworn there has been more than on Ben for years. Or is that
there have been more than one Bens... Or...

--
toodle pip,
Tom, who is now confused as well

"...never be flippantly rude to any inoffensive grey-bearded stranger you
may meet in pine forests or hotel smoking rooms on the continent. It
always turns out to be the King of Sweeden." SAKI

[B J Watkins]

T M Joyce (T.M....@durham.ac.uk) wrote:

: I could have sworn there has been more than on Ben for years. Or is that

: there have been more than one Bens... Or...
: --
: toodle pip,
: Tom, who is now confused as well

Doh, now I'm even more confused.

Ah, no, I've got it. There is only one *me*, as every knows (think about
it for a minute) Aha! identity crisis solved!

Ben

Problems solved, rivers crossed, mountians climbed, but don't say anything
about computational fluid dynamics.

: "...never be flippantly rude to any inoffensive grey-bearded stranger you

[B J Watkins]

[H M Lehrach]

David Lecomber (d...@ecs.ox.ac.uk) wrote:

: I think there's room for durham in that hierarchy. oxbridge.wannabes?

Or rather oxbridge.lucky.escapes (lucky escape? to Durham? I must be
going mad...)

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I just wonder if the use of the dollar is because Americans are
predominant on the .net or because you think they are the only ones who
might respond?
'cos I'm not having a word said against Americans......

[Richard JC]

In article <5emi8v$i...@mercury.dur.ac.uk>,

H M Lehrach <H.M.L...@durham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>: ****Use your .sig to earn CA$H. Send me $5 to find out how.****
>
>I just wonder if the use of the dollar is because Americans are
>predominant on the .net or because you think they are the only ones who
>might respond?

Has is worked yet? Wasn't there a book on these lines?

- Richard.

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[Tim Harris]

In article <5emi8v$i...@mercury.dur.ac.uk>,
H M Lehrach <H.M.L...@durham.ac.uk> wrote:
>: ****Use your .sig to earn CA$H. Send me $5 to find out how.****
>
>I just wonder if the use of the dollar is because Americans are
>predominant on the .net or because you think they are the only ones who
>might respond?

...or because a pound sign's more likely to get garbled. Lets
see what this one becomes: £

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[J A W Phillips]

Some strange person called H M Lehrach wrote:
: David Lecomber (d...@ecs.ox.ac.uk) wrote:

: : I think there's room for durham in that hierarchy. oxbridge.wannabes?

: Or rather oxbridge.lucky.escapes (lucky escape? to Durham? I must be
: going mad...)

Damn! You got there before me.
I was going to sugest oxbridge.glad.we're.not's ?

And for anyone who complained about my sig, well, here's a new one, which
conveys absolutely no useful information ( OK, so it tells you where my
web site is, but if you've seen it, you would know why that's not
neccesarily useful information ).

John

P.S I think the other one was much nicer, and I'll probably put it back up
when I'm sufficiently bored with this one...

--
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E-mail: J.A.W.P...@durham.ac.uk WWW: http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d40h6f

[Timothy Lee]

Barry Young (byo...@s24r12.wadham.ox.ac.uk) wrote:

We need an obligatory posting of the WadhamO College joke. I am sure
someone there will do a better job of it than me.

[Darren Edmundson]

Tim Harris (tl...@cam.ac.uk) wrote:

:> H M Lehrach <H.M.L...@durham.ac.uk> wrote:
:> >: ****Use your .sig to earn CA$H. Send me $5 to find out how.****

:> >I just wonder if the use of the dollar is because Americans are[...]
:> ...or because a pound sign's more likely to get garbled.
[...]
:> Lets see what this one becomes: £

No, not the 8 bit thread again.

- © Darren 1997

PS: Birdy, those symbols you can't read are a pound sign and a copyright
symbol ;)

[Timothy Lee]

Dan Sheppard (dps...@cl.cam.ac.uk) wrote:
: In article <5ek73o$1...@mercury.dur.ac.uk>,

: Timothy Lee <Timot...@durham.ac.uk> wrote:
: >J A W Phillips (J.A.W.P...@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
: >: Some strange person called Timothy Lee wrote:

: >: Oh yes, and are we sure than cam.local and ox.general are local

: >: university groups, because we don't really want a repeat of that
: >: ed.general buisness, now, do we...

: >

: What happened in ed.local then?

They were being a bit allegedly petty and allegedly claiming to have sent
messages to the durham postmaster to get us all blandered[1] for having
posted about four messages to ed.general, except they were not replying to
the newsgroup but to random people whose addresses were mentioned in
posts.

[1] blandered v. to have account suspended, named after B.R.Lander

[Zebedee [Boing!]]

I just discovered that there are loads of messages on ed.general which
were cross posted to Durham and which haven't appeared. Why? Some haven't
because they weren't posted to any common groups, but quite a few seem
just to have gone missing. And its not just the most recent posts.
J.

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[Steve McIntyre]

In article <5emkv0$j...@mercury.dur.ac.uk>,

J A W Phillips <J.A.W.P...@durham.ac.uk> wrote:

>: Or rather oxbridge.lucky.escapes (lucky escape? to Durham? I must be
>: going mad...)
>
>Damn! You got there before me.
>I was going to sugest oxbridge.glad.we're.not's ?

<yawn>

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[A G Jackson]

James Thorne wrote:
> In article <Pine.OSF.3.91.970221...@ermine.ox.ac.uk>,

> Peter Harding <har...@ermine.ox.ac.uk> wrote:

> >On 21 Feb 1997, David Lecomber wrote:
> >
> >> I think there's room for durham in that hierarchy. oxbridge.wannabes?
> >

> >Yessssssss ... where's Durham anyway?
> >
>

> Up North somewhere, I think - generally they're under snow, so no one
> hears much about them. Bit like where David Lecomber comes from really;-)

'Up North somewhere'?!? The level of ignorance at so-called 'Oxbridge'
universities is stunning. *Everybody* knows that Durham is the capital
of Greenland. Here, let me draw you a quick ASCII map.

_______
/ \ <--- Greenland
/ oDurham |
\__ /
\ __/

_____
/ \<--- Scotland
/ o Botswana
| / o Atlantis
o Belfast |____|
(sunk) ____ <- Suez canal
| |
/ o Manchester
__/ \ <--- The North. Here be Dragons
/ : |
Wales --->| :o Liverpool
\__:.....|
| o Oxford and Cambridge
| * LONDON
\_______|

Hope that clears everything up.

Adrian

[A G Jackson]

B J Watkins wrote:
> T M Joyce (T.M....@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
> : I could have sworn there has been more than on Ben for years. Or is that
> : there have been more than one Bens... Or...
> : --
> : toodle pip,
> : Tom, who is now confused as well
>
> Doh, now I'm even more confused.
>
> Ah, no, I've got it. There is only one *me*, as every knows (think about
> it for a minute) Aha! identity crisis solved!

Not true. There are at least three *me*s. If we go in for theories about
parallel universes there may even be as many as seven. And to make it
worse, there are at least two Adrian Jacksons.

Adrian

[David Marshall]

In a post, tl...@cam.ac.uk (Tim Harris) wrote:
> ....or because a pound sign's more likely to get garbled. Lets

> see what this one becomes: £

We've just been discussing this in (alt.)dur.general. If you use a
newsreader that includes MIME character set information in the header
everything should be hunky-dorry at the other end. ISO Latin 1
(iso-8859-1) is probably the most common.

Dave
--
http://www.aestiva.demon.co.uk/

[R F Minchin]

A G Jackson (A.G.J...@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
: Not true. There are at least three *me*s. If we go in for theories about

: parallel universes there may even be as many as seven. And to make it
: worse, there are at least two Adrian Jacksons.

Adrian is degenerate.

Rob

[Mark Baker]

In article <85663593...@aestiva.demon.co.uk>,

Tim's newsreader didn't include MIME information and it still looks fine here.

MIME only helps in the case where the receiving system is using a different
character set, but these days non-latin1 systems are rare - and most of them
don't understand the MIME headers anyway.

Putting MIME headers in does nothing to fix the (fortunately rare these days)
problem of non-eight bit links.

[David Marshall]

In a post, mn...@cam.ac.uk (Mark Baker) wrote:
> Tim's newsreader didn't include MIME information and it still looks fine here.

Both using Latin 1...

> MIME only helps in the case where the receiving system is using a different
> character set, but these days non-latin1 systems are rare - and most of them
> don't understand the MIME headers anyway.

I don't think Mac users, the Japanese or eastern Europeans would be very happy
with you claiming that Latin 1 is the norm. If your newsreader doesn't
understand the contents of the MIME header, get a better newsreader. Just wait
till I start posting in UTF-8... :)

> Putting MIME headers in does nothing to fix the (fortunately rare these days)
> problem of non-eight bit links.

Indeed, I've yet to find a remaining 7-bit link...

Dave
--
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[Benjamin Webb]

B J Watkins wrote:
>
> Benjamin Webb (wadh...@sable.ox.ac.uk) wrote:

> : Yes, there is indeed an ox.general. So now you know.
>
> : Ben
>
> I can't cope. I thought I had posted this for a minute, and got very very
> confused. I'm off for some coffee now....
>
> Ben
>
> Who doesn't like cross posting, because it means he gets confused since
> there is more than one Ben now.

Well, that's your punishment for having such a common name. Why not
change it to something more exciting, then _I'll_ be the one and only Ben!

Ben
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[Barry Young]

In article <5emsp5$l...@mercury.dur.ac.uk>, Timothy Lee wrote:
>Barry Young (byo...@s24r12.wadham.ox.ac.uk) wrote:
>
>We need an obligatory posting of the WadhamO College joke. I am sure
>someone there will do a better job of it than me.

Eh?
Haddock?
The WadhamO College joke? Has something been eluding me for the past 3.5
years (apart from the obvious?)

Shcklumpf

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[Ian Collier]

In article <85664163...@aestiva.demon.co.uk>, David Marshall <da...@durge.org> wrote:
>> MIME only helps in the case where the receiving system is using a different
>> character set, but these days non-latin1 systems are rare - and most of them
>> don't understand the MIME headers anyway.

>I don't think Mac users, the Japanese or eastern Europeans would be very happy
>with you claiming that Latin 1 is the norm.

Well, let's stick to those people who read and post in English. However,
Mac and PC programs often stick to their own nonstandard character sets* so
the above comment is only valid for Unix systems.

>Indeed, I've yet to find a remaining 7-bit link...

I've not seen one among news servers but I think there are still some
7-bit mail links out there (irritatingly enough our local mail server
assumes that mail servers in general can't cope with 8-bit messages so
any message containing a metacharacter and having MIME headers (even if
the encoding is "8bit") is rewritten into Quoted-Printable format).

--
* Especially MS Word, which absorbs all your quotes and changes them into
unprintable characters, as you can see by reading a news article posted by
almost anyone who doesn't know better than to edit their posting on MS Word
and paste it across.
--
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------ http://www.comlab.ox.ac.uk/oucl/users/ian.collier/imc.html

[David Marshall]

In a post, i...@ecs.ox.ac.uk (Ian Collier) wrote:
> Well, let's stick to those people who read and post in English. However,
> Mac and PC programs often stick to their own nonstandard character sets* so
> the above comment is only valid for Unix systems.

(US and most Western European) Windows uses an extended Latin-1 character
set. DOS uses a few dozen different code pages. Most new UNIXes are
internally Unicode and with future versions of Windows having better
Unicode support with multiple font addressing, UTF-8 is going to much
more prevalent. I'm not sure I'm supposed to talk about the multiple font
addressing...

> I've not seen one among news servers but I think there are still some
> 7-bit mail links out there (irritatingly enough our local mail server
> assumes that mail servers in general can't cope with 8-bit messages so
> any message containing a metacharacter and having MIME headers (even if
> the encoding is "8bit") is rewritten into Quoted-Printable format).

Quoted printable is *evil*. UTF-7 and UTF-8 are the future of encoding...

Dave
--
http://www.aestiva.demon.co.uk/

[George Foot]

David Marshall (da...@durge.org) wrote:

: Quoted printable is *evil*. UTF-7 and UTF-8 are the future of encoding...

Is that (QP) the stupid one that puts '=20' on the end of every line of
text some people write? Why on earth is it trying to encode a space
character, anyway?

--
George Foot <gf...@mc31.merton.ox.ac.uk>
Merton College, Oxford.

[D P Macdonald]

Otto Bahn wrote the following:

: There's a Durham and Cambridge over here too, with two of
: our finer institutions. So yes, alt.test should get you
: about anywhere ya want but don't you get those autoresponder
: emails? (guess I'll find out soon enough...)

We seem to avoid the autoresponders at alt.test, though we did have
trouble with uk.test - which I expect you can't get anyway. Might have to
try misc.misc as suggested elsewhere.
--
David MacDonald Trevelyan College, Durham, England

Home Page (still unfinished): http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d402qa/

[Timothy Lee]

Otto Bahn (JGA...@cstatf.mc.duke.edu) wrote:

: There's a Durham and Cambridge over here too, with two of
: our finer institutions. So yes, alt.test should get you
: about anywhere ya want but don't you get those autoresponder
: emails? (guess I'll find out soon enough...)

Is that a problem? If it is then engage killfile.

[Steve McIntyre]

In article <1036...@comlab.ox.ac.uk>, Ian Collier <i...@ecs.ox.ac.uk> wrote:

>* Especially MS Word, which absorbs all your quotes and changes them into
>unprintable characters, as you can see by reading a news article posted by
>almost anyone who doesn't know better than to edit their posting on MS Word
>and paste it across.

Yup, been there, done that. Could be worse - I applied for an ISP job last
week and got an acknowledgement in Word 6 format... <sigh> It appears the
technical people and personnel are *light years* apart.

--
Steve McIntyre, CURS Secretary, Cambridge, UK. ste...@chiark.greenend.org.uk

<a href=http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~stevem/comp/>My PC page</a>

[Simon Tatham]

George Foot <gf...@mc31.merton.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
> Is that (QP) the stupid one that puts '=20' on the end of every line of
> text some people write?

Yes.

> Why on earth is it trying to encode a space character, anyway?

Because some mail transport agents strip trailing spaces from the
end of a line, whereas quoted-printable assumes that you want the
document to get through exactly as you sent it. So if someone's
editor happens to stick a trailing space on the end of each line,
it'll get quoted-printabled[1] into an =20.

I'm not defending it here. At all. In the slightest. Kill it. Kill
it. alt.quoted.printable.die.die.die.

[1] quoteded-printable? quoted-printably? How precisely do you verb
a hyphenated noun phrase that's composed of a participle and an
adjective? Bet even the Americans can't verb this one easily...
--
<^ I /\/\ O /\/ Simon Tatham <sg...@cam.ac.uk> <ana...@pobox.com>
_> ------------ Trinity College, Cambridge, CB2 1TQ, England.

[Andrew]

On Fri, 21 Feb 1997, Peter Harding wrote:

>On 21 Feb 1997, David Lecomber wrote:
>
>> I think there's room for durham in that hierarchy. oxbridge.wannabes?

That'll be the Hatfield college newsgroup.

Seeyoulater
Andrew ____________________________
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| down there? |
\______________________________/

[Darren Edmundson]

Timothy Lee wrote:
> Otto Bahn (JGA...@cstatf.mc.duke.edu) wrote:
>
> : There's a Durham and Cambridge over here too, with two of
> : our finer institutions. So yes, alt.test should get you
> : about anywhere ya want but don't you get those autoresponder
> : emails? (guess I'll find out soon enough...)
>
> Is that a problem? If it is then engage killfile.

Actually I'm not getting any autoresponder messages from my alt.test
posts, but uk.test and whatever the other one wast that was included
recently seemed to give me some. Not to worry, that's what procmail's
for :)

- Darren

[M.D. Mackey]

ana...@pobox.com (Simon Tatham) writes:

>[1] quoteded-printable? quoted-printably? How precisely do you verb
>a hyphenated noun phrase that's composed of a participle and an
>adjective? Bet even the Americans can't verb this one easily...

Quoted-printableised.

--
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Remember nothing you've been told means anything to me
And everything you own is mine, in the barest degree.

[H M Lehrach]

Tim Harris (tl...@cam.ac.uk) wrote:
: In article <5emi8v$i...@mercury.dur.ac.uk>,

: H M Lehrach <H.M.L...@durham.ac.uk> wrote:
: >: ****Use your .sig to earn CA$H. Send me $5 to find out how.****
: >
: >I just wonder if the use of the dollar is because Americans are

: >predominant on the .net or because you think they are the only ones who
: >might respond?

: ...or because a pound sign's more likely to get garbled. Lets

: see what this one becomes: £

Well we can't say they're not getting into the durge spirit ;)
Anyway, looked like a pound sign to me...

[David Marshall]

In a post, gf...@mc31.merton.ox.ac.uk (George Foot) wrote:
> Is that (QP) the stupid one that puts '=20' on the end of every line of

> text some people write? Why on earth is it trying to encode a space
> character, anyway?

That's the one. Some mail transport mechanisms strip trailing whitespaces,
so to make sure the message is received as intended, QP recodes it as a
hex code.

Dave
--
http://www.aestiva.demon.co.uk/

[David Marshall]

In a post, mdm...@cus.cam.ac.uk (M.D. Mackey) wrote:
> Quoted-printableised.

That would be "quoted-printablized".

Dave
--
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[Simon Tatham]

David Marshall <da...@durge.org> wrote:
> That would be "quoted-printablized".

Ouch, a Z. I offer `quoted-printabli=7Aed' as a euphemism.

[T M Joyce]

Andrew (A.J.D...@durham.ac.uk) wrote:

: On Fri, 21 Feb 1997, Peter Harding wrote:

: >On 21 Feb 1997, David Lecomber wrote:
: >
: >> I think there's room for durham in that hierarchy. oxbridge.wannabes?

: That'll be the Hatfield college newsgroup.

Ahem. I think not. Castle, perhaps.

--
toodle pip,
Tom, who thinks "YOU SHOULD HAVE GONE TO HATFIELD"

"...never be flippantly rude to any inoffensive grey-bearded stranger you
may meet in pine forests or hotel smoking rooms on the continent. It
always turns out to be the King of Sweeden." SAKI

[James Thorne]

In article <5epo1p$r...@news.ox.ac.uk>,

George Foot <gf...@mc31.merton.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
>David Marshall (da...@durge.org) wrote:
>
>: Quoted printable is *evil*. UTF-7 and UTF-8 are the future of encoding...
>

>Is that (QP) the stupid one that puts '=20' on the end of every line of
>text some people write? Why on earth is it trying to encode a space
>character, anyway?
>

It's very interesting that you should say that. One of my friends' emails
always have '=20' at the end of each line.

Why is this? and is there any way of stopping it?

James

[Richard Stamp]

In article <5epsfj$1...@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk>,

Simon Tatham <ana...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>I'm not defending it here. At all. In the slightest. Kill it. Kill
>it. alt.quoted.printable.die.die.die.

Now, this is unreasonable. Quoted-printable is a pretty good
compromise between getting a message through unaltered, and ensuring
it's still readable with non-MIME programs.

The real problem is dumb MUA's which apply quoted-printable
indiscriminately. That's not a fault with quoted-printable itself,
though. I could hack elm to uuencode all outgoing mail, and no
doubt annoy people intensely, but it wouldn't make uuencode a
"bad" encoding.

Richard

[Darren Edmundson]

T M Joyce (T.M....@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
:> : >> I think there's room for durham in that hierarchy. oxbridge.wannabes?
:> : That'll be the Hatfield college newsgroup.
:> Ahem. I think not. Castle, perhaps.

Now if it were not for the fact that I deny ever being at Durham except
for the graduation ceremony and the purges, I might be a little upset
about that. I take it you're not trying to upset me, are you?

Good.

- Darren promises only to subscribe you to 25 junk mailing lists ;)

[A J L Greves]

J A W Phillips (J.A.W.P...@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
: : David Lecomber (d...@ecs.ox.ac.uk) wrote:

: : : I think there's room for durham in that hierarchy. oxbridge.wannabes?

: Damn! You got there before me.
: I was going to suggest oxbridge.glad.we're.not's ?

I think most Durham students would agree that we're anywhereelse.wannabes.
Even Oxbridge must be better than here...

Abi

[A J L Greves]

Timothy Lee (Timot...@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
: Barry Young (byo...@s24r12.wadham.ox.ac.uk) wrote:

: We need an obligatory posting of the WadhamO College joke. I am sure
: someone there will do a better job of it than me.

Oi! Me brother's at Wadham so I hope it's nothing derogatory...

Abi

[A J L Greves]

MUGGY! (Paul....@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
: On 24 Feb 1997, A J L Greves wrote:

: >I think most Durham students would agree that we're anywhereelse.wannabes.

: >Even Oxbridge must be better than here...

: Rubbish! Durham rocks as much as any other university town. Have you
: *seen* Sunderland??

No. Do I want to?

[MUGGY!]

On 24 Feb 1997, A J L Greves wrote:

>I think most Durham students would agree that we're anywhereelse.wannabes.
>Even Oxbridge must be better than here...

Rubbish! Durham rocks as much as any other university town. Have you
*seen* Sunderland??

Paul

============================================================================
<Paul....@durham.ac.uk> | "There's better necks to
<gre...@ps.cus.umist.ac.uk> | break, and better cars to
---------------------------------------------| crash" - Miles Hunt
St Aidan's College, University Of Durham, UK.|
Homepage : http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d550du | "Greasy Alsations!"
Tori Amos : http://toristuff.home.ml.org | - Harry Enfield
============================================================================
"One of the great things about being stupid is that you don't even know
you're stupid" - Alexie Sayle

[MUGGY!]

On 24 Feb 1997, A J L Greves wrote:

>: Rubbish! Durham rocks as much as any other university town. Have you
>: *seen* Sunderland??
>

>No. Do I want to?

Prehaps, it would make you like Durham a hell of a lot more.

Paul

============================================================================
<Paul....@durham.ac.uk> | "There's better necks to
<gre...@ps.cus.umist.ac.uk> | break, and better cars to
---------------------------------------------| crash" - Miles Hunt
St Aidan's College, University Of Durham, UK.|
Homepage : http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d550du | "Greasy Alsations!"
Tori Amos : http://toristuff.home.ml.org | - Harry Enfield
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"One of the great things about being stupid is that you don't even know

you're stupid" - Alexei Sayle

[Timothy Lee]

A J L Greves (A.J.L....@durham.ac.uk) wrote:

Since no-one from WadhamO seems to have posted it I will have to:

Chap in Africa meets a tribal leader and says that he thinks he recognises
him from somewhere and asks if he was at Oxford, tribal leader chappy says
yes, so first chap asks him what college and he says Wadhamo. First chap
goes, 'Wadhamo? I thought it was Wadham.' Tribal leader replies, it is but
whenever I tell people they go, 'Wadham Oh.'

There is that not the most witty thing in the entire unknown universe!

[Alex Burr]

In article <5erl0c$a...@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk>,

Richard Stamp <rg...@cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>The real problem is dumb MUA's which apply quoted-printable
>indiscriminately. That's not a fault with quoted-printable itself,
>though. I could hack elm to uuencode all outgoing mail, and no
>doubt annoy people intensely, but it wouldn't make uuencode a
>"bad" encoding.

Maybe, but =A3 is defininitly a bad encoding.

Alex Burr

[Ian Collier]

In article <5epsfj$1...@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk>, ana...@pobox.com (Simon Tatham) wrote:

>George Foot <gf...@mc31.merton.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
>> Is that (QP) the stupid one that puts '=20' on the end of every line of
>> text some people write?

>Yes.

What's more, it also splits lines up which are longer than some=20=
number=20
(72?) of characters. So you end up seeing things which look like=20=
this.=20

Horrible!

>Because some mail transport agents strip trailing spaces from the
>end of a line, whereas quoted-printable assumes that you want the
>document to get through exactly as you sent it.

Which is rediculous for a text message (and you know it's a text message
because the MIME header will say so).

>it'll get quoted-printabled[1] into an =20.

>I'm not defending it here. At all. In the slightest. Kill it. Kill
>it. alt.quoted.printable.die.die.die.

Indeed.

>[1] quoteded-printable? quoted-printably? How precisely do you verb
>a hyphenated noun phrase that's composed of a participle and an
>adjective? Bet even the Americans can't verb this one easily...

How about "translated" or "mutated"? :-)

The problem with "quoted-printable" is that it is two adjectives. It's
difficult to verb adjectives. You can avoid the issue by writing "QP'd".

[Ian Collier]

In article <5eql87$b...@news.ox.ac.uk>, lady...@sable.ox.ac.uk (James Thorne) wrote:
>It's very interesting that you should say that. One of my friends' emails
>always have '=20' at the end of each line.

>Why is this? and is there any way of stopping it?

1. Tell him not to put a space on the end of each line. (It's difficult,
without knowing how the email was sent, to know why there is a space
on the end of each line, but pressing space and then return would
do it).

2. Tell him not to use any 8-bit characters (this should stop the mail from
being mangled into quoted-printable format) - such as accented letters
and pound signs.

3. If he is editing his mail in a Microsoft word processor, tell him to
stop it (Word mangles your quote signs and changes them into 8-bit
unprintable characters).

[J A W Phillips]

Some strange person called Timothy Lee wrote:
: Chap in Africa meets a tribal leader and says that he thinks he recognises

: him from somewhere and asks if he was at Oxford, tribal leader chappy says
: yes, so first chap asks him what college and he says Wadhamo. First chap
: goes, 'Wadhamo? I thought it was Wadham.' Tribal leader replies, it is but
: whenever I tell people they go, 'Wadham Oh.'

: There is that not the most witty thing in the entire unknown universe!

Well, what can you expect from an Oxford College...

;)

John

--
John A.W. Phillips, at Trevelyan College, Durham University.
E-mail: J.A.W.P...@durham.ac.uk WWW: http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d40h6f
"Destiny waits for no man"

[Shepton Mallet]

What has A J L Greves (A.J.L....@durham.ac.uk) been taking? I mean, look:

: J A W Phillips (J.A.W.P...@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
: : : David Lecomber (d...@ecs.ox.ac.uk) wrote:

: : : : I think there's room for durham in that hierarchy. oxbridge.wannabes?

: : Damn! You got there before me.
: : I was going to suggest oxbridge.glad.we're.not's ?

: I think most Durham students would agree that we're anywhereelse.wannabes.

: Even Oxbridge must be better than here...

I missed out on Imperial. And I never applied to Oxbridge. But to be
perfectly honest I am glad I came here instead, Apart from the enourmous
amount of pretntention and apathy, it is a greta place and I'd rather not
be anywhere else.

Jon

--

** Jonathan Anderson **
jonathan...@dur.ac.uk
===========================

[Darren Edmundson]

MUGGY! (Paul....@durham.ac.uk) wrote:

:> On 24 Feb 1997, A J L Greves wrote:
:> Rubbish! Durham rocks as much as any other university town. Have you
:> *seen* Sunderland??

I was once dragged through to sunderland by a friend studying there. This
was about a month after I'd passed my driving test, and there were people
all over trying to kill me... I would have looked around and formed an
opinion of the place too, had I not been reduced to a nervous wreck before
I got a chance :)

1>============================================================================
2> <Paul....@durham.ac.uk> | "There's better necks to
3> <gre...@ps.cus.umist.ac.uk> | break, and better cars to
4> ---------------------------------------------| crash" - Miles Hunt
5> St Aidan's College, University Of Durham, UK.|
6> Homepage : http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d550du | "Greasy Alsations!"
7> Tori Amos : http://toristuff.home.ml.org | - HarryEnfield
8>============================================================================
9> "One of the great things about being stupid is that you don't even know
a> you're stupid" - Alexie Sayle

'nuff said.

- Darren

[Mark Baker]

In article <1036...@comlab.ox.ac.uk>,
i...@ecs.ox.ac.uk (Ian Collier) writes:

> 1. Tell him not to put a space on the end of each line. (It's difficult,
> without knowing how the email was sent, to know why there is a space
> on the end of each line, but pressing space and then return would
> do it).

Generally a space on the end of a line indicates that it is a line break
inserted by the editor rather than because the user pressed return. This
allows the paragraph to be reformatted to a different width without messing
up text that's carefully laid out and shouldn't be reformatted.

> 2. Tell him not to use any 8-bit characters (this should stop the mail from
> being mangled into quoted-printable format) - such as accented letters
> and pound signs.

Is it his MUA that does it, or an MTA somewhere? I believe some MTAs will
convert to quoted-printable; exim doesn't.

[Richard Stamp]

In article <1036...@comlab.ox.ac.uk>, Ian Collier <i...@ecs.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>What's more, it also splits lines up which are longer than some=20=
>number=20
>(72?) of characters. So you end up seeing things which look like=20=
>this.=20

(76 after encoding, but that's beside the point)

But remember what quoted-printable was designed for: getting
mail across unmangled, while allowing the recipient to understand
it even if they didn't have a MIME mail reader. Long lines are/were
a genuine problem, since at least some systems chopped them.

>Horrible!

Yes, but...

If we assume a bit of intelligence on the part of the MUA, stripping
trailing spaces from the (original) lines and folding the lines in
a nicer way, your example could turn into:

What's more, it also splits lines up which are longer than some=

number

(72?) of characters. So you end up seeing things which look like=

this.

which is a lot less revolting. I guess the problem is that people
who write clients which use MIME, aren't particularly sensitive
to the needs of those who don't use MIME. :-)

>>Because some mail transport agents strip trailing spaces from the
>>end of a line, whereas quoted-printable assumes that you want the
>>document to get through exactly as you sent it.
>
>Which is rediculous for a text message (and you know it's a text message
>because the MIME header will say so).

Quite so. As I said somewhere else, some MUA's (Netscape? I'm not sure)
do like to quoted-printablise everything in sight, which causes
unnecessary grief for those whose software doesn't decode it for them.

But that's a problem with the clients, not the encoding. And the point
of quoted-printable is that, even if it's a pain, you can at least
still read it. Compare this to something which some stupid client
has randomly base64'd (Pine, this means you!)

Richard

[Richard Stamp]

In article <5es3hm$9...@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk>,

Alex Burr <aj...@thor.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>In article <5erl0c$a...@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk>,
>Richard Stamp <rg...@cam.ac.uk> wrote:

>>[quoted-printable isn't that bad really]

>
>Maybe, but =A3 is defininitly a bad encoding.

You're right. I remember seeing someone trying to sell a computer
system for "=A3500" (or something) and thinking they were asking
rather a lot. :-)

All right, so it does have weaknesses, but I still don't think
it's as unmitigatedly evil as everyone else is suggesting.

Richard

[Andrew Mobbs]

In article <5es49h$4...@mercury.dur.ac.uk>,
Shepton Mallet <Jonathan...@durham.ac.uk> wrote:
[snip]

>amount of pretntention and apathy, it is a greta place and I'd rather not
>be anywhere else.

This is a granta place, and I'd rather be anywhere where this fscking
project isn't.

--
Andrew Mobbs - and...@chiark.greenend.org.uk
- http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~andrewm/

See the danger, always danger. Endless talking, life rebuilding. Don't walk away

[Big Mad Drongo]

Barry Young wrote:

> In article <5emsp5$l...@mercury.dur.ac.uk>, Timothy Lee wrote:
> >We need an obligatory posting of the WadhamO College joke. I am sure
> >someone there will do a better job of it than me.

> Eh?

Indeedly.

> Haddock?

Trout. Haddock haddock trout bream. Guppy!

> The WadhamO College joke? Has something been eluding me for the past 3.5
> years (apart from the obvious?)

Don't feel bad about it - I missed that one as well, and I'm at
Durham...

Adrian

[Big Mad Drongo]

Shepton Mallet wrote:
> I missed out on Imperial. And I never applied to Oxbridge. But to be
> perfectly honest I am glad I came here instead, Apart from the enourmous

> amount of pretntention and apathy, it is a greta place and I'd rather not

> be anywhere else. ^^^^^^

I'd make the obvious joke but...

Adrian

[Big Mad Drongo]

A J L Greves wrote:

> I think most Durham students would agree that we're anywhereelse.wannabes.
> Even Oxbridge must be better than here...

Please. Don't use that word. 'wannabe' should be removed from any
document it's in at the moment and banned from all future ones.
And what *I* want, what I really really want is for a tragic
accident to either kill the Spice Girls or leave them with some
vestiges of talent.

Adrian

[Ian Collier]

In article <5es4m0$i...@fof.durge.org>, dar...@durge.org (Darren Edmundson) wrote:
>8>============================================================================
>9> "One of the great things about being stupid is that you don't even know
>a> you're stupid" - Alexie Sayle

>'nuff said.

And not only that but "Alexei Sayle" is spelt wrongly, despite his name
having been spelt out in the title song of at least one series.

[Ian Collier]

In article <5es57t$9...@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk>, mn...@cam.ac.uk (Mark Baker) wrote:
>Generally a space on the end of a line indicates that it is a line break
>inserted by the editor rather than because the user pressed return.

Well I tested Pine, which is responsible for most QP news articles, and it
doesn't insert spaces at automatic line breaks. Neither, for that matter,
does Mozilla 3.0 Gold.

> This
>allows the paragraph to be reformatted to a different width without messing
>up text that's carefully laid out and shouldn't be reformatted.

Hmm, dubious since I've never seen a program which does that and you can't
guarantee that received mail followed that convention anyway.

>> 2. Tell him not to use any 8-bit characters (this should stop the mail from
>> being mangled into quoted-printable format) - such as accented letters
>> and pound signs.

>Is it his MUA that does it, or an MTA somewhere? I believe some MTAs will
>convert to quoted-printable; exim doesn't.

Our local MTA, sadly, sometimes converts both outgoing and incoming
mail to QP format. However, it doesn't touch mail that doesn't contain
metacharacters. I believe Pine doesn't either.

[T S Auton]

A J L Greves (A.J.L....@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
: I think most Durham students would agree that we're anywhereelse.wannabes.
: Even Oxbridge must be better than here...

Oi slag, just because you live in Gilesgate[1] and come from a crap
college[2] doesn't mean that some of us don't enjoy ourselves here.
Except when we want to go to a club :(

Tim, XX.

[1] Miles away from anywhere (and crap)
[2] Trevs, excessivley hexagonal.
--
Grass is something you smoke,
birds are something you shag - JC
Tim, t.s....@durham.ac.uk, www.dur.ac.uk/~d41n9p/

[T S Auton]

J A W Phillips (J.A.W.P...@durham.ac.uk) wrote:

: Well, what can you expect from an Oxford College...
Better food than at Aidan's, judging by my experience of Merton.

Tim, XX.

[Big Mad Drongo]

T S Auton wrote:
>
> A J L Greves (A.J.L....@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
> : I think most Durham students would agree that we're anywhereelse.wannabes.
> : Even Oxbridge must be better than here...
> Oi slag, just because you live in Gilesgate[1] and come from a crap
> college[2] doesn't mean that some of us don't enjoy ourselves here.
> Except when we want to go to a club :(

> [1] Miles away from anywhere (and crap)

Oi yourself. Nothing wrong with Gilesgate that couldn't be fixed
without much trouble, especially now the demolition crew have finished
off the carpark...

Adrian

[Mark Baker]

In article <1037...@comlab.ox.ac.uk>,

i...@ecs.ox.ac.uk (Ian Collier) writes:
>In article <5es57t$9...@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk>, mn...@cam.ac.uk (Mark Baker) wrote:
>>Generally a space on the end of a line indicates that it is a line break
>>inserted by the editor rather than because the user pressed return.
>
>Well I tested Pine, which is responsible for most QP news articles, and it
>doesn't insert spaces at automatic line breaks. Neither, for that matter,
>does Mozilla 3.0 Gold.

However pine isn't responsible for the articles with =20 on the end of each
line. They mostly come from various PC mail readers; this convention is
fairly common on the PC.

It isn't normal on unix, unfortunately, which makes reformatting text files
a pain.

>>allows the paragraph to be reformatted to a different width without messing
>>up text that's carefully laid out and shouldn't be reformatted.
>
>Hmm, dubious since I've never seen a program which does that and you can't
>guarantee that received mail followed that convention anyway.

If you only ever reformat mail that way, you may end not reformatting
paragraphs that should have been reformatted, but you won't reformat
paragraphs that shouldn't be reformatted, which would be a much worse
problem.

>>Is it his MUA that does it, or an MTA somewhere? I believe some MTAs will
>>convert to quoted-printable; exim doesn't.
>
>Our local MTA, sadly, sometimes converts both outgoing and incoming
>mail to QP format.

Our local (and locally written) MTA, happily, has nothing to do with
quoted-printable or in fact anything to do with MIME apart from passing
it through intact. This means it doesn't count as a "mime compliant" MTA,
since the MIME specs detail all kinds of horrible things an MTA ought to do
which exim sensibly has nothing to do with.

[Otto Bahn]

Darren Edmundson wrote:
>
> Timothy Lee wrote:
> > Otto Bahn (JGA...@cstatf.mc.duke.edu) wrote:
> >
> > : There's a Durham and Cambridge over here too, with two of
> > : our finer institutions. So yes, alt.test should get you
> > : about anywhere ya want but don't you get those autoresponder
> > : emails? (guess I'll find out soon enough...)
> >
> > Is that a problem? If it is then engage killfile.
>
> Actually I'm not getting any autoresponder messages from my alt.test
> posts, but uk.test and whatever the other one wast that was included
> recently seemed to give me some. Not to worry, that's what procmail's
> for :)

Apparently the alt.test postings no longer get autoresponder
messages from around the world. A few years ago you would
get them, supposedly to let you know that you message was
propagating around the world. In reality alt.test was used
as a trick in the follow-up to line; unwary replies to a
post would generate a lot of garbage mail.

Speaking of garbage, I was attempting to generate some trans-
Atlantic humor. Failed miserably...

--oTTo--

Or would that be "trans-Atlantic humour" over there?

[D P Macdonald]

Big Mad Drongo wrote the following:

: Please. Don't use that word. 'wannabe'[1] should be removed from any

: document it's in at the moment and banned from all future ones.

: And what *I* want[2], what I really really want is for a tragic
: accident to either kill the Spice Girls or leave them...

...on another planet?

[1] Ooops, I seem to have broken this taboo already - excuse me while I
ask the person next to me to send this post and go out to shoot myself.

[2] What I want is for someone to remove _that_ album from Trevs' juke
box.
--
David MacDonald Trevelyan College, Durham, England

Home Page (still unfinished): http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d402qa/

[D P Macdonald]

Shepton Mallet wrote the following:

: I missed out on Imperial. And I never applied to Oxbridge. But to be

: perfectly honest I am glad I came here instead, Apart from the enourmous
: amount of pretntention and apathy, it is a greta place and I'd rather not
: be anywhere else. ^^^^^

Was that a mistyped Great or Gretna - if the latter then you are truly a
sick man - I like Durham and wouldn't want it compared to Gretna.

[Otto Bahn]

Otto Bahn wrote:
> Apparently the alt.test postings no longer get autoresponder
> messages from around the world.

I sit corrected. About 2 minutes after I posted that,
I recieved the following from Arizona:

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[Richard Kettlewell]

Big Mad Drongo <A.G.J...@durham.ac.uk> wrote:

>A J L Greves wrote:

>>I think most Durham students would agree that we're
>>anywhereelse.wannabes. Even Oxbridge must be better than here...

I understand that both of Oxbridge have had Oxbridge Reject Societies
in the past...

>Please. Don't use that word. 'wannabe' should be removed from any

>document it's in at the moment and banned from all future ones. And

>what *I* want, what I really really want is for a tragic accident to

>either kill the Spice Girls or leave them with some vestiges of
>talent.

`wannabe' predates the Spice Girls, it seems unreasonable to attack a
word solely because someone you find objectionable uses it.

--
Richard Kettlewell http://www.elmail.co.uk/~richard/

[R F Minchin]

D P Macdonald (D.P.Ma...@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
: [2] What I want is for someone to remove _that_ album from Trevs' juke
: box.

I'm sure we could oblige, if you lend us an axe that is.

Rob

[George Foot]

Ian Collier (i...@ecs.ox.ac.uk) wrote:

: In article <5es57t$9...@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk>, mn...@cam.ac.uk (Mark Baker) wrote:
: >Generally a space on the end of a line indicates that it is a line break
: >inserted by the editor rather than because the user pressed return.

: Well I tested Pine, which is responsible for most QP news articles, and it
: doesn't insert spaces at automatic line breaks. Neither, for that matter,
: does Mozilla 3.0 Gold.

However, if someone else's newsreader/email software puts such spaces
on the end of lines, QP or not, and you quote their text, I would assume
that if Pine/Mozailla/whatever QPs the reply it will change these spaces
to =20s.

I have seen text quoted from me which had the =20s after each
line I had written - it made me wonder whether my newsreader had put them
there. I was at the time using Free Agent, for (MS)Windows.

Is there supposed to be a reverse-QP system to unencode the messages? If
not then it's a pretty dumb idea...

--
George Foot <gf...@mc31.merton.ox.ac.uk>
Merton College, Oxford.

[Richard Green]

In article <3311AA...@akenside.dur.ac.uk>,

Big Mad Drongo <A.G.J...@durham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>Please. Don't use that word. 'wannabe' should be removed from any
>document it's in at the moment and banned from all future ones.
>And what *I* want, what I really really want is for a tragic
>accident to either kill the Spice Girls or leave them with some
>vestiges of talent.

Killing them would not be a satisfactory solution from your point of view,
because you'd have to sit through the tributes.

[Richard Kettlewell]

Ian Collier <i...@ecs.ox.ac.uk> wrote:

>Our local MTA, sadly, sometimes converts both outgoing and incoming

>mail to QP format. However, it doesn't touch mail that doesn't contain
>metacharacters. I believe Pine doesn't either.

Modern versions of Sendmail will generally convert mail to QP if he
receiver-SMTP doesn't claim to cope with 8 bit characters as specified
in RFC1652. Implementing ESMTP and the 8BITMIME service extension
should be relatively trivial for a mailer which is already 8-bit
clean, so this is arguably a bug in such receiver-SMTPs.

It's possible to configure Sendmail incorrectly such that it uses the
wrong way of detecting ESMTP support, but that's life...

The world would be much nicer if everything were just 8-bit-clean, but
sadly this isn't the case. Hence QP, ESMTP, etc.

--
Richard Kettlewell http://www.elmail.co.uk/~richard/

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