wow. calling this a "blunder" is a bit of an understatement, eh? how about this compassionate statement: "forensic pathologist Dr Allen Anscombe said it was his assessment that Mr Berry was "terminally ill and was expected to die anyway" at the time of the mistake." gee, how nice.
Man died after painkiller blunder
The Derriford nurse said she had no explanation for the error
A 90-year-old man died in hospital after receiving 24-hours worth of a painkiller in just one hour.
A nurse set up the equipment incorrectly for administering diamorphine, the medical name for heroin, an inquest in Plymouth heard.
Retired painter and decorator Arthur Berry was admitted to Plymouth's Derriford Hospital on 29 August last year after collapsing at his home.
His family has called for tougher rules to prevent another mistake.
Diamorphine is a pharmaceutical form of heroin
Mr Berry, of Tennyson Gardens, Plymouth, was given antibiotics for a chest infection after he was admitted to the hospital.
But his condition worsened and by 4 September hospital doctors suspected he had terminal pneumonia and would die shortly.
The following day he was prescribed 15mg of the potent painkiller diamorphine to be administered gradually by a "syringe driver" over a 24-hour period.
At noon on 5 September nurse Margaret Bakheit set up the equipment - but she used a one-hour pump instead of a 24-hour pump.
She also failed to adjust the settings so it would release the drug more gradually.
She told the inquest: "I cannot explain why I did so.
"Nobody pointed out the error."
Earlier consultant forensic pathologist Dr Allen Anscombe said it was his assessment that Mr Berry was "terminally ill and was expected to die anyway" at the time of the mistake.
Coroner Nigel Meadows ruled that the dose of diamorphine "contributed" to Mr Berry's death.
He said: "Sadly sometimes when the medical profession makes errors, the consequences can be minor or they can be more serious."
Following the verdict Mr Berry's family said in a statement: "We do hope that more rigid procedures are put in place, and that they are closely monitored. It is our profound wish that no similar incidents occur in the future."
> wow. calling this a "blunder" is a bit of an understatement, eh? how > about this compassionate statement: "forensic pathologist Dr Allen > Anscombe said it was his assessment that Mr Berry was "terminally ill > and was expected to die anyway" at the time of the mistake." gee, how > nice.
> Man died after painkiller blunder
> The Derriford nurse said she had no explanation for the error
> A 90-year-old man died in hospital after receiving 24-hours worth of a > painkiller in just one hour.
> A nurse set up the equipment incorrectly for administering > diamorphine, the medical name for heroin, an inquest in Plymouth > heard.
> Retired painter and decorator Arthur Berry was admitted to Plymouth's > Derriford Hospital on 29 August last year after collapsing at his > home.
> His family has called for tougher rules to prevent another mistake.
> Diamorphine is a pharmaceutical form of heroin
> Mr Berry, of Tennyson Gardens, Plymouth, was given antibiotics for a > chest infection after he was admitted to the hospital.
> But his condition worsened and by 4 September hospital doctors > suspected he had terminal pneumonia and would die shortly.
> The following day he was prescribed 15mg of the potent painkiller > diamorphine to be administered gradually by a "syringe driver" over a > 24-hour period.
> At noon on 5 September nurse Margaret Bakheit set up the equipment - > but she used a one-hour pump instead of a 24-hour pump.
> She also failed to adjust the settings so it would release the drug > more gradually.
> She told the inquest: "I cannot explain why I did so.
> "Nobody pointed out the error."
> Earlier consultant forensic pathologist Dr Allen Anscombe said it was > his assessment that Mr Berry was "terminally ill and was expected to > die anyway" at the time of the mistake.
> Coroner Nigel Meadows ruled that the dose of diamorphine "contributed" > to Mr Berry's death.
> He said: "Sadly sometimes when the medical profession makes errors, > the consequences can be minor or they can be more serious."
> Following the verdict Mr Berry's family said in a statement: "We do > hope that more rigid procedures are put in place, and that they are > closely monitored. It is our profound wish that no similar incidents > occur in the future."
15mg is hardly a killer dose
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> Hmmm to an opiate nieve person it sure could be.
Aren't older people sometimes *MUCH* more sensitive to the effects of opiates, espc when there's anything wrong with them and one step away from death anyway ?. I remember read that sometimes it can take an older/sick normal person 24 hours to stop feeling the effects of one dose of codeine, there body just can't get rid of it very fast at all
>>Hmmm to an opiate nieve person it sure could be.
> Aren't older people sometimes *MUCH* more sensitive to the effects of > opiates, espc when there's anything wrong with them and one step away > from death anyway ?. I remember read that sometimes it can take an > older/sick normal person 24 hours to stop feeling the effects of one > dose of codeine, there body just can't get rid of it very fast at all
Completely OT but.........
BIKEZILLA........How the fuck are ya mate?????? Long bloody time no hear my friend, how goes the HD 'done?
"Andyfothershops" <a...@a.com> wrote in message <news:hvbQc.481$ZL1.228@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>... > "mars" <mars_2...@juno.com> wrote in message > news:2c7d1495.0408040857.25900f33@posting.google.com... > > wow. calling this a "blunder" is a bit of an understatement, eh? how > > about this compassionate statement: "forensic pathologist Dr Allen > > Anscombe said it was his assessment that Mr Berry was "terminally ill > > and was expected to die anyway" at the time of the mistake." gee, how > > nice.
> > Man died after painkiller blunder
> > The Derriford nurse said she had no explanation for the error
> > A 90-year-old man died in hospital after receiving 24-hours worth of a > > painkiller in just one hour.
> > A nurse set up the equipment incorrectly for administering > > diamorphine, the medical name for heroin, an inquest in Plymouth > > heard.
> > Retired painter and decorator Arthur Berry was admitted to Plymouth's > > Derriford Hospital on 29 August last year after collapsing at his > > home.
> > His family has called for tougher rules to prevent another mistake.
> > Diamorphine is a pharmaceutical form of heroin
> > Mr Berry, of Tennyson Gardens, Plymouth, was given antibiotics for a > > chest infection after he was admitted to the hospital.
> > But his condition worsened and by 4 September hospital doctors > > suspected he had terminal pneumonia and would die shortly.
> > The following day he was prescribed 15mg of the potent painkiller > > diamorphine to be administered gradually by a "syringe driver" over a > > 24-hour period.
> > At noon on 5 September nurse Margaret Bakheit set up the equipment - > > but she used a one-hour pump instead of a 24-hour pump.
> > She also failed to adjust the settings so it would release the drug > > more gradually.
> > She told the inquest: "I cannot explain why I did so.
> > "Nobody pointed out the error."
> > Earlier consultant forensic pathologist Dr Allen Anscombe said it was > > his assessment that Mr Berry was "terminally ill and was expected to > > die anyway" at the time of the mistake.
> > Coroner Nigel Meadows ruled that the dose of diamorphine "contributed" > > to Mr Berry's death.
> > He said: "Sadly sometimes when the medical profession makes errors, > > the consequences can be minor or they can be more serious."
> > Following the verdict Mr Berry's family said in a statement: "We do > > hope that more rigid procedures are put in place, and that they are > > closely monitored. It is our profound wish that no similar incidents > > occur in the future."
> 15mg is hardly a killer dose
for a 90-yr old terminally ill opiate-naive man it is.
>wow. calling this a "blunder" is a bit of an understatement, eh? how >about this compassionate statement: "forensic pathologist Dr Allen >Anscombe said it was his assessment that Mr Berry was "terminally ill >and was expected to die anyway" at the time of the mistake." gee, how >nice.
>Man died after painkiller blunder
>The Derriford nurse said she had no explanation for the error
>A 90-year-old man died in hospital after receiving 24-hours worth of a >painkiller in just one hour.
>A nurse set up the equipment incorrectly for administering >diamorphine, the medical name for heroin, an inquest in Plymouth >heard.
>Retired painter and decorator Arthur Berry was admitted to Plymouth's >Derriford Hospital on 29 August last year after collapsing at his >home.
>His family has called for tougher rules to prevent another mistake.
>Diamorphine is a pharmaceutical form of heroin
>Mr Berry, of Tennyson Gardens, Plymouth, was given antibiotics for a >chest infection after he was admitted to the hospital.
>But his condition worsened and by 4 September hospital doctors >suspected he had terminal pneumonia and would die shortly.
>The following day he was prescribed 15mg of the potent painkiller >diamorphine to be administered gradually by a "syringe driver" over a >24-hour period.
>At noon on 5 September nurse Margaret Bakheit set up the equipment - >but she used a one-hour pump instead of a 24-hour pump.
>She also failed to adjust the settings so it would release the drug >more gradually.
>She told the inquest: "I cannot explain why I did so.
>"Nobody pointed out the error."
>Earlier consultant forensic pathologist Dr Allen Anscombe said it was >his assessment that Mr Berry was "terminally ill and was expected to >die anyway" at the time of the mistake.
>Coroner Nigel Meadows ruled that the dose of diamorphine "contributed" >to Mr Berry's death.
>He said: "Sadly sometimes when the medical profession makes errors, >the consequences can be minor or they can be more serious."
>Following the verdict Mr Berry's family said in a statement: "We do >hope that more rigid procedures are put in place, and that they are >closely monitored. It is our profound wish that no similar incidents >occur in the future."
Too bad the guy wasn't a junkie. 15mg hydromorphone would have just made him happy instead of dead. Poor guy.
'Expected to die anyway' is a nasty statement. Medical "miracles" happen all the time. I don't know how terminal his pneumonia was or if it was even indeed the correct diagnosis but from admission to death in 5 days sounds sketchy. I just don't trust doctors. I believe, when given the chance, they WILL cover up for each other. -Ritual ________________________________ Give Me Librium Or Give Me Meth ________________________________ NY04 "For all your recreational shooting needs" - Sporting good store ad slogan
>'Expected to die anyway' is a nasty statement. Medical "miracles" >happen all the time. I don't know how terminal his pneumonia was or >if it was even indeed the correct diagnosis but from admission to >death in 5 days sounds sketchy. I just don't trust doctors. I believe, >when given the chance, they WILL cover up for each other. >-Ritual >________________________________
And, so what if he was expected to die. That doesn't somehow make the error any less grave. They seem to be implying that, if the person had been young and healthy, and therefore not expected to die, then the situation would've been more serious than it was. Which, doesn't bode well for any elderly person entering this hospital for treatment.
Sure, if I was going to die then there would be worse ways to go but, the fact remains there was a major stuff-up and therefore responsibility has to be taken. I don't know how anyone can be adequately compensated for the loss of a loved one. Obviously the medical bills and other costs associated with this persons death should be taken care of but, there has to be a way to make sure that an incident like this never occurs again.
Mistakes, both lethal and non-lethal occur regularly in hospitals and, it is mostly the responsibility of the bean counters, IMO. At least, here in New Zealand it is, anyway. The lower the funding, the lower the nursing staff numbers and quality. This is a recipe for disaster. Everything from minor oversights, through to mothers being sent home with the wrong baby (yeah, it's happened), all the way through to the leaving of medical equipment inside of patients, and misdispensing of drugs resulting in death. -+Anna+-
> wow. calling this a "blunder" is a bit of an understatement, eh? how > about this compassionate statement: "forensic pathologist Dr Allen > Anscombe said it was his assessment that Mr Berry was "terminally ill > and was expected to die anyway" at the time of the mistake." gee, how > nice.
> Man died after painkiller blunder
> The Derriford nurse said she had no explanation for the error
> A 90-year-old man died in hospital after receiving 24-hours worth of a > painkiller in just one hour.
> A nurse set up the equipment incorrectly for administering > diamorphine, the medical name for heroin, an inquest in Plymouth > heard.
> Retired painter and decorator Arthur Berry was admitted to Plymouth's > Derriford Hospital on 29 August last year after collapsing at his > home.
> His family has called for tougher rules to prevent another mistake.
> Diamorphine is a pharmaceutical form of heroin
> Mr Berry, of Tennyson Gardens, Plymouth, was given antibiotics for a > chest infection after he was admitted to the hospital.
> But his condition worsened and by 4 September hospital doctors > suspected he had terminal pneumonia and would die shortly.
> The following day he was prescribed 15mg of the potent painkiller > diamorphine to be administered gradually by a "syringe driver" over a > 24-hour period.
> At noon on 5 September nurse Margaret Bakheit set up the equipment - > but she used a one-hour pump instead of a 24-hour pump.
> She also failed to adjust the settings so it would release the drug > more gradually.
> She told the inquest: "I cannot explain why I did so.
> "Nobody pointed out the error."
> Earlier consultant forensic pathologist Dr Allen Anscombe said it was > his assessment that Mr Berry was "terminally ill and was expected to > die anyway" at the time of the mistake.
> Coroner Nigel Meadows ruled that the dose of diamorphine "contributed" > to Mr Berry's death.
> He said: "Sadly sometimes when the medical profession makes errors, > the consequences can be minor or they can be more serious."
> Following the verdict Mr Berry's family said in a statement: "We do > hope that more rigid procedures are put in place, and that they are > closely monitored. It is our profound wish that no similar incidents > occur in the future."
who cares? he was 90 years old ,had had his crack at the whip and was clearly on his way out. he was probably the lucky one- i really could'nt give a damn -if anything he was lucky to die so peacefullly ,gracefullly,pain-free and dignifiied. I"m sure it's what he would have wanted .I mean what state dya expect to be in at 90 or what quality of life dya expect to look forward to .Rreaally they did him a favour and he probably would have thanked them had he beeen around to say so.. Who gives a damn abotu some 90 year ol;d codger who's had his swing in the trees, his crack at the whip of life- fuck the inquest if only on the matter of prinicpile and incorrrect and faulty operating staff/nurses who made an easy but fatal mistake- an hour syringe driver/drippper instead of a 24hr and to an opiate-naive person- 15mg could posssibly very easily killl though i don't tknow the actual offficial "safe" doses of diamorphine/heroin recommmended by "official" guidelines. Medicalexperience anmd the antidote-noradrenaline conveniently on standby to reverse the efffects of OD would be invaluable resources in an OD eventuality case.
As for the old man codger of 90- he was clearly on his way out -"terminallly illl"" ,had proabbbly lived a veryhapppy and fulfilling extendedlife and for these reasons- i really couild'nt give a fucking damn.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!- he was one of the lucky ones to die peacefullly and pain-freee and with dignity. IF the guy was 21 then such an an inquest would elicit more sympathy and favour for the victim. but then inquests are suppposedly technicallly on the mattter of princile-that eqiupment and it's proper opperation was in question here- the human side is ,with regard to the age of the man -90-, neither her nor there.- that old man was a lucky bastard i say.
> "mars" <mars_2...@juno.com> wrote in message > news:2c7d1495.0408040857.25900f33@posting.google.com... > > wow. calling this a "blunder" is a bit of an understatement, eh? how > > about this compassionate statement: "forensic pathologist Dr Allen > > Anscombe said it was his assessment that Mr Berry was "terminally ill > > and was expected to die anyway" at the time of the mistake." gee, how > > nice.
> > Man died after painkiller blunder
> > The Derriford nurse said she had no explanation for the error
> > A 90-year-old man died in hospital after receiving 24-hours worth of a > > painkiller in just one hour.
> > A nurse set up the equipment incorrectly for administering > > diamorphine, the medical name for heroin, an inquest in Plymouth > > heard.
> > Retired painter and decorator Arthur Berry was admitted to Plymouth's > > Derriford Hospital on 29 August last year after collapsing at his > > home.
> > His family has called for tougher rules to prevent another mistake.
> > Diamorphine is a pharmaceutical form of heroin
> > Mr Berry, of Tennyson Gardens, Plymouth, was given antibiotics for a > > chest infection after he was admitted to the hospital.
> > But his condition worsened and by 4 September hospital doctors > > suspected he had terminal pneumonia and would die shortly.
> > The following day he was prescribed 15mg of the potent painkiller > > diamorphine to be administered gradually by a "syringe driver" over a > > 24-hour period.
> > At noon on 5 September nurse Margaret Bakheit set up the equipment - > > but she used a one-hour pump instead of a 24-hour pump.
> > She also failed to adjust the settings so it would release the drug > > more gradually.
> > She told the inquest: "I cannot explain why I did so.
> > "Nobody pointed out the error."
> > Earlier consultant forensic pathologist Dr Allen Anscombe said it was > > his assessment that Mr Berry was "terminally ill and was expected to > > die anyway" at the time of the mistake.
> > Coroner Nigel Meadows ruled that the dose of diamorphine "contributed" > > to Mr Berry's death.
> > He said: "Sadly sometimes when the medical profession makes errors, > > the consequences can be minor or they can be more serious."
> > Following the verdict Mr Berry's family said in a statement: "We do > > hope that more rigid procedures are put in place, and that they are > > closely monitored. It is our profound wish that no similar incidents > > occur in the future."
> who cares? > he was 90 years old ,had had his crack at the whip and was clearly on his > way out. > he was probably the lucky one- i really could'nt give a damn -if anything he > was lucky to die so peacefullly ,gracefullly,pain-free and dignifiied. I"m > sure it's what he would have wanted .I mean what state dya expect to be in > at 90 or what quality of life dya expect to look forward to .Rreaally they > did him a favour and he probably would have thanked them had he beeen around > to say so.. > Who gives a damn abotu some 90 year ol;d codger who's had his swing in the > trees, his crack at the whip of life- fuck the inquest if only on the matter > of prinicpile and incorrrect and faulty operating staff/nurses who made an > easy but fatal mistake- an hour syringe driver/drippper instead of a 24hr > and to an opiate-naive person- 15mg could posssibly very easily killl though > i don't tknow the actual offficial "safe" doses of diamorphine/heroin > recommmended by "official" guidelines. Medicalexperience anmd the > antidote-noradrenaline conveniently on standby to reverse the efffects of OD > would be invaluable resources > in an OD eventuality case.
> As for the old man codger of 90- he was clearly on his way out -"terminallly > illl"" ,had proabbbly lived a veryhapppy and fulfilling extendedlife and > for these reasons- i really couild'nt give a fucking > damn.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!- he was one of the lucky ones to die > peacefullly and pain-freee and with dignity. IF the guy was 21 then such an > an inquest would elicit more sympathy and favour for the victim. > but then inquests are suppposedly technicallly on the mattter of > princile-that eqiupment and it's proper opperation was in question here- the > human side is ,with regard to the age of the man -90-, neither her nor > there.- > that old man was a lucky bastard i say.
hiya sock!!
still haven't found that spell checker thingy, huh? btw........has anyone told you "fuck you" yet today?
"Socrates" <supersonic_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message <news:LkMQc.139$zx.0@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>... > "mars" <mars_2...@juno.com> wrote in message > news:2c7d1495.0408040857.25900f33@posting.google.com... > > wow. calling this a "blunder" is a bit of an understatement, eh? how > > about this compassionate statement: "forensic pathologist Dr Allen > > Anscombe said it was his assessment that Mr Berry was "terminally ill > > and was expected to die anyway" at the time of the mistake." gee, how > > nice.
> > Man died after painkiller blunder
> > The Derriford nurse said she had no explanation for the error
> > A 90-year-old man died in hospital after receiving 24-hours worth of a > > painkiller in just one hour.
> > A nurse set up the equipment incorrectly for administering > > diamorphine, the medical name for heroin, an inquest in Plymouth > > heard.
> > Retired painter and decorator Arthur Berry was admitted to Plymouth's > > Derriford Hospital on 29 August last year after collapsing at his > > home.
> > His family has called for tougher rules to prevent another mistake.
> > Diamorphine is a pharmaceutical form of heroin
> > Mr Berry, of Tennyson Gardens, Plymouth, was given antibiotics for a > > chest infection after he was admitted to the hospital.
> > But his condition worsened and by 4 September hospital doctors > > suspected he had terminal pneumonia and would die shortly.
> > The following day he was prescribed 15mg of the potent painkiller > > diamorphine to be administered gradually by a "syringe driver" over a > > 24-hour period.
> > At noon on 5 September nurse Margaret Bakheit set up the equipment - > > but she used a one-hour pump instead of a 24-hour pump.
> > She also failed to adjust the settings so it would release the drug > > more gradually.
> > She told the inquest: "I cannot explain why I did so.
> > "Nobody pointed out the error."
> > Earlier consultant forensic pathologist Dr Allen Anscombe said it was > > his assessment that Mr Berry was "terminally ill and was expected to > > die anyway" at the time of the mistake.
> > Coroner Nigel Meadows ruled that the dose of diamorphine "contributed" > > to Mr Berry's death.
> > He said: "Sadly sometimes when the medical profession makes errors, > > the consequences can be minor or they can be more serious."
> > Following the verdict Mr Berry's family said in a statement: "We do > > hope that more rigid procedures are put in place, and that they are > > closely monitored. It is our profound wish that no similar incidents > > occur in the future."
> who cares? > he was 90 years old ,had had his crack at the whip and was clearly on his > way out. > he was probably the lucky one- i really could'nt give a damn -if anything he > was lucky to die so peacefullly ,gracefullly,pain-free and dignifiied. I"m > sure it's what he would have wanted .I mean what state dya expect to be in > at 90 or what quality of life dya expect to look forward to .Rreaally they > did him a favour and he probably would have thanked them had he beeen around > to say so.. > Who gives a damn abotu some 90 year ol;d codger who's had his swing in the > trees, his crack at the whip of life- fuck the inquest if only on the matter > of prinicpile and incorrrect and faulty operating staff/nurses who made an > easy but fatal mistake- an hour syringe driver/drippper instead of a 24hr > and to an opiate-naive person- 15mg could posssibly very easily killl though > i don't tknow the actual offficial "safe" doses of diamorphine/heroin > recommmended by "official" guidelines. Medicalexperience anmd the > antidote-noradrenaline conveniently on standby to reverse the efffects of OD > would be invaluable resources > in an OD eventuality case.
> As for the old man codger of 90- he was clearly on his way out -"terminallly > illl"" ,had proabbbly lived a veryhapppy and fulfilling extendedlife and > for these reasons- i really couild'nt give a fucking > damn.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!- he was one of the lucky ones to die > peacefullly and pain-freee and with dignity. IF the guy was 21 then such an > an inquest would elicit more sympathy and favour for the victim. > but then inquests are suppposedly technicallly on the mattter of > princile-that eqiupment and it's proper opperation was in question here- the > human side is ,with regard to the age of the man -90-, neither her nor > there.- > that old man was a lucky bastard i say
"Socrates" <supersonic_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message <news:LkMQc.139$zx.0@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>... > "mars" <mars_2...@juno.com> wrote in message > news:2c7d1495.0408040857.25900f33@posting.google.com... > > wow. calling this a "blunder" is a bit of an understatement, eh? how > > about this compassionate statement: "forensic pathologist Dr Allen > > Anscombe said it was his assessment that Mr Berry was "terminally ill > > and was expected to die anyway" at the time of the mistake." gee, how > > nice.
> > Man died after painkiller blunder
> > The Derriford nurse said she had no explanation for the error
> > A 90-year-old man died in hospital after receiving 24-hours worth of a > > painkiller in just one hour.
> > A nurse set up the equipment incorrectly for administering > > diamorphine, the medical name for heroin, an inquest in Plymouth > > heard.
> > Retired painter and decorator Arthur Berry was admitted to Plymouth's > > Derriford Hospital on 29 August last year after collapsing at his > > home.
> > His family has called for tougher rules to prevent another mistake.
> > Diamorphine is a pharmaceutical form of heroin
> > Mr Berry, of Tennyson Gardens, Plymouth, was given antibiotics for a > > chest infection after he was admitted to the hospital.
> > But his condition worsened and by 4 September hospital doctors > > suspected he had terminal pneumonia and would die shortly.
> > The following day he was prescribed 15mg of the potent painkiller > > diamorphine to be administered gradually by a "syringe driver" over a > > 24-hour period.
> > At noon on 5 September nurse Margaret Bakheit set up the equipment - > > but she used a one-hour pump instead of a 24-hour pump.
> > She also failed to adjust the settings so it would release the drug > > more gradually.
> > She told the inquest: "I cannot explain why I did so.
> > "Nobody pointed out the error."
> > Earlier consultant forensic pathologist Dr Allen Anscombe said it was > > his assessment that Mr Berry was "terminally ill and was expected to > > die anyway" at the time of the mistake.
> > Coroner Nigel Meadows ruled that the dose of diamorphine "contributed" > > to Mr Berry's death.
> > He said: "Sadly sometimes when the medical profession makes errors, > > the consequences can be minor or they can be more serious."
> > Following the verdict Mr Berry's family said in a statement: "We do > > hope that more rigid procedures are put in place, and that they are > > closely monitored. It is our profound wish that no similar incidents > > occur in the future."
> who cares? > he was 90 years old ,had had his crack at the whip and was clearly on his > way out. > he was probably the lucky one- i really could'nt give a damn -if anything he > was lucky to die so peacefullly ,gracefullly,pain-free and dignifiied. I"m > sure it's what he would have wanted .I mean what state dya expect to be in > at 90 or what quality of life dya expect to look forward to .Rreaally they > did him a favour and he probably would have thanked them had he beeen around > to say so.. > Who gives a damn abotu some 90 year ol;d codger who's had his swing in the > trees, his crack at the whip of life- fuck the inquest if only on the matter > of prinicpile and incorrrect and faulty operating staff/nurses who made an > easy but fatal mistake- an hour syringe driver/drippper instead of a 24hr > and to an opiate-naive person- 15mg could posssibly very easily killl though > i don't tknow the actual offficial "safe" doses of diamorphine/heroin > recommmended by "official" guidelines. Medicalexperience anmd the > antidote-noradrenaline conveniently on standby to reverse the efffects of OD > would be invaluable resources > in an OD eventuality case.
> As for the old man codger of 90- he was clearly on his way out -"terminallly > illl"" ,had proabbbly lived a veryhapppy and fulfilling extendedlife and > for these reasons- i really couild'nt give a fucking > damn.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!- he was one of the lucky ones to die > peacefullly and pain-freee and with dignity. IF the guy was 21 then such an > an inquest would elicit more sympathy and favour for the victim. > but then inquests are suppposedly technicallly on the mattter of > princile-that eqiupment and it's proper opperation was in question here- the > human side is ,with regard to the age of the man -90-, neither her nor > there.- > that old man was a lucky bastard i say
> > "mars" <mars_2...@juno.com> wrote in message > > news:2c7d1495.0408040857.25900f33@posting.google.com... > > > wow. calling this a "blunder" is a bit of an understatement, eh? how > > > about this compassionate statement: "forensic pathologist Dr Allen > > > Anscombe said it was his assessment that Mr Berry was "terminally ill > > > and was expected to die anyway" at the time of the mistake." gee, how > > > nice.
> > > Man died after painkiller blunder
> > > The Derriford nurse said she had no explanation for the error
> > > A 90-year-old man died in hospital after receiving 24-hours worth of a > > > painkiller in just one hour.
> > > A nurse set up the equipment incorrectly for administering > > > diamorphine, the medical name for heroin, an inquest in Plymouth > > > heard.
> > > Retired painter and decorator Arthur Berry was admitted to Plymouth's > > > Derriford Hospital on 29 August last year after collapsing at his > > > home.
> > > His family has called for tougher rules to prevent another mistake.
> > > Diamorphine is a pharmaceutical form of heroin
> > > Mr Berry, of Tennyson Gardens, Plymouth, was given antibiotics for a > > > chest infection after he was admitted to the hospital.
> > > But his condition worsened and by 4 September hospital doctors > > > suspected he had terminal pneumonia and would die shortly.
> > > The following day he was prescribed 15mg of the potent painkiller > > > diamorphine to be administered gradually by a "syringe driver" over a > > > 24-hour period.
> > > At noon on 5 September nurse Margaret Bakheit set up the equipment - > > > but she used a one-hour pump instead of a 24-hour pump.
> > > She also failed to adjust the settings so it would release the drug > > > more gradually.
> > > She told the inquest: "I cannot explain why I did so.
> > > "Nobody pointed out the error."
> > > Earlier consultant forensic pathologist Dr Allen Anscombe said it was > > > his assessment that Mr Berry was "terminally ill and was expected to > > > die anyway" at the time of the mistake.
> > > Coroner Nigel Meadows ruled that the dose of diamorphine "contributed" > > > to Mr Berry's death.
> > > He said: "Sadly sometimes when the medical profession makes errors, > > > the consequences can be minor or they can be more serious."
> > > Following the verdict Mr Berry's family said in a statement: "We do > > > hope that more rigid procedures are put in place, and that they are > > > closely monitored. It is our profound wish that no similar incidents > > > occur in the future."
> > who cares? > > he was 90 years old ,had had his crack at the whip and was clearly on his > > way out. > > he was probably the lucky one- i really could'nt give a damn -if anything > he > > was lucky to die so peacefullly ,gracefullly,pain-free and dignifiied. > I"m > > sure it's what he would have wanted .I mean what state dya expect to be in > > at 90 or what quality of life dya expect to look forward to .Rreaally they > > did him a favour and he probably would have thanked them had he beeen > around > > to say so.. > > Who gives a damn abotu some 90 year ol;d codger who's had his swing in the > > trees, his crack at the whip of life- fuck the inquest if only on the > matter > > of prinicpile and incorrrect and faulty operating staff/nurses who made an > > easy but fatal mistake- an hour syringe driver/drippper instead of a 24hr > > and to an opiate-naive person- 15mg could posssibly very easily killl > though > > i don't tknow the actual offficial "safe" doses of diamorphine/heroin > > recommmended by "official" guidelines. Medicalexperience anmd the > > antidote-noradrenaline conveniently on standby to reverse the efffects of > OD > > would be invaluable resources > > in an OD eventuality case.
> > As for the old man codger of 90- he was clearly on his way > out -"terminallly > > illl"" ,had proabbbly lived a veryhapppy and fulfilling extendedlife and > > for these reasons- i really couild'nt give a fucking > > damn.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!- he was one of the lucky ones to die > > peacefullly and pain-freee and with dignity. IF the guy was 21 then such > an > > an inquest would elicit more sympathy and favour for the victim. > > but then inquests are suppposedly technicallly on the mattter of > > princile-that eqiupment and it's proper opperation was in question here- > the > > human side is ,with regard to the age of the man -90-, neither her nor > > there.- > > that old man was a lucky bastard i say.
> hiya sock!!
> still haven't found that spell checker thingy, huh? > btw........has anyone told you "fuck you" yet today?
> love,
> cheech
Yeah, you think someone should tell him valium isn't water soluble anyway, so effectively he's just hitting chalk? but that's the thing with these ancient wise men so wise and so ancient yet somehow simultaneously thick as a fucking brick.Can you believe he spends all that time hassling Adamski, goes away for a while comes back and he's straight on Shuffles case, some people never learn do they?. AG
> Yeah, you think someone should tell him valium isn't water soluble anyway, > so effectively he's just hitting chalk? but that's the thing with these > ancient wise men so wise and so ancient yet somehow simultaneously thick as > a fucking brick.Can you believe he spends all that time hassling Adamski, > goes away for a while comes back and he's straight on Shuffles case, some > people never learn do they?.
> >>Hmmm to an opiate nieve person it sure could be.
> > Aren't older people sometimes *MUCH* more sensitive to the effects of > > opiates, espc when there's anything wrong with them and one step away > > from death anyway ?. I remember read that sometimes it can take an > > older/sick normal person 24 hours to stop feeling the effects of one > > dose of codeine, there body just can't get rid of it very fast at all
> Completely OT but.........
> BIKEZILLA........How the fuck are ya mate?????? > Long bloody time no hear my friend, how goes the HD 'done?
> scoobs
Oh well, you know same old same old I think the ULD-Neltrexone is helping me sweat less other than that just living my normal - icky half sick life
However I went for a sleep study the other week and I have sleep apena Hopefully that will explain all the weird problems I've been having
Wouldn't that be funny, if it turns out this whole methadone thing was just a side track ?? If it turns out that nononnnnneeeee of my problems where opiate related, but it just happens that I *also* handle methadone in a really funky way
Anyhow, I definaltly only feel normal when I'm taking some amount of opiates However I went on methadone primary to weed out other pyshical syptoms Something that hasn't happened at all, the only thing I've found out is that Meth has almost no/no effect. I'm at 1.16G aday now, not much different from .5g/day really .... However lately
So anything new in your life ? I've been sort'a busy lately just I've just been looking in ADH everyonce and awhile. I'm not really keeping up on the happenings ...
Why was this patient prescribed drug in the first place? Was his pneumonia a complication of advanced cancer. One thing is probably true. The pneumonia was slowly causing him to succumb. The added respiratory depression as a result of the diamorphone prought his demise a little sooner. If he as "going to die anyway," it must have been an angel of mercy guiding the nurse through the IV procedure.
> wow. calling this a "blunder" is a bit of an understatement, eh? how > about this compassionate statement: "forensic pathologist Dr Allen > Anscombe said it was his assessment that Mr Berry was "terminally ill > and was expected to die anyway" at the time of the mistake." gee, how > nice.
> Man died after painkiller blunder
> The Derriford nurse said she had no explanation for the error
> A 90-year-old man died in hospital after receiving 24-hours worth of a > painkiller in just one hour.
> A nurse set up the equipment incorrectly for administering > diamorphine, the medical name for heroin, an inquest in Plymouth > heard.
> Retired painter and decorator Arthur Berry was admitted to Plymouth's > Derriford Hospital on 29 August last year after collapsing at his > home.
> His family has called for tougher rules to prevent another mistake.
> Diamorphine is a pharmaceutical form of heroin
> Mr Berry, of Tennyson Gardens, Plymouth, was given antibiotics for a > chest infection after he was admitted to the hospital.
> But his condition worsened and by 4 September hospital doctors > suspected he had terminal pneumonia and would die shortly.
> The following day he was prescribed 15mg of the potent painkiller > diamorphine to be administered gradually by a "syringe driver" over a > 24-hour period.
> At noon on 5 September nurse Margaret Bakheit set up the equipment - > but she used a one-hour pump instead of a 24-hour pump.
> She also failed to adjust the settings so it would release the drug > more gradually.
> She told the inquest: "I cannot explain why I did so.
> "Nobody pointed out the error."
> Earlier consultant forensic pathologist Dr Allen Anscombe said it was > his assessment that Mr Berry was "terminally ill and was expected to > die anyway" at the time of the mistake.
> Coroner Nigel Meadows ruled that the dose of diamorphine "contributed" > to Mr Berry's death.
> He said: "Sadly sometimes when the medical profession makes errors, > the consequences can be minor or they can be more serious."
> Following the verdict Mr Berry's family said in a statement: "We do > hope that more rigid procedures are put in place, and that they are > closely monitored. It is our profound wish that no similar incidents > occur in the future."
