Fallen Angel Stalking (or) Proclaimed Guardian Angel?? Psychic Investigation
the_s...@yahoo.com
my solution???
I am seeking some insight from highly spiritual souls about a psychic
situation I am dealing with. It is a question of peace of mind rather
than a question of trust. Please read below only if you are expertly
confident in the subject matters of Pschic communictions: Mediumships,
clairaudient, clarvoyant, karmic consequences, karmic balances
tracking, regression of past like/ present life karmic dispositions,
dream interpretation etc.
There appears that I am in communication with three angels
communicating via dreams, voice and vision without any intention or
effort from my part. Or atleast I am thinking that I am dealing with
three but it could be one giving me information via all three
channels. The voice is like a puzzle that ** torments ** me barring me
from concentrating on my profession or paycheck or any prolonged
productive work. Thus I am pre-disposed to conclude that it (they) are
malevolent, even though they claim to be Benevolent. The voice
(clairaudient) refuses to be invoked at will when seeking an answer to
an important question, but comes on when not asked and I am doing some
steady work (alert) like, concentarting on reading, or some productive
work thereby disturbing/confusing me that I have to stop or
discontinue my work at that point. When asked for a solution, it says
" stop chanelling". The truth is I am not doing anything to channel at
all. I have concluded that it is torturing me and have tried
visualization techniques like sorrounding me with white light of
ascended masters etc. But this has ** no effect **. They wake me up
talking to me. However the situation where I hear voices and loud
thunderous sounds and scarry visions have stopped *** after I have
left my job ***. May be they succeeded in their objective of removing
me from the source of my steady income. Even though they declare the
9-5 job is a prison, (which I agree to completely) to deprive me of my
paycheck is cruel considering the fact, read on without being
terrified, I started making and selling art work, ** without **
profits. This means that whenever I go to a show, I get an astonishing
sale ** exactly ** equal to the show fees, thereby not even recovering
my material cost of what I sold, forget the labor. I tried to overcome
the programming of being freightened by these stalkers ( a mental
conditioning by repeat symbols such as a crow or eagle to indicate the
success of a show/sale) and made a direct sale to an attorney by
marketing charm and chrisma for profit and got repeated message that
** I have taken more ** from her (not her angels behold, mine) From
what they are saying I am concluding that they want me out of any
karmic debt so I do not have to reincarnate, and from the on going
struggle I can figure that they are forcing this on me, it is as if it
is not in my choice or will. Genuine spirit guides do not torture or
force anything so I am concluding that this one must be the angel of
someone who could be real stalker in my life.
The voices declare that the visions are from my husband's angel when
asked.
The vision is showing a "locked door" for answer to the question
"Voices I hear, whose??"
A spiritual doctor has indicated the meaning of the door as "open the
latch for oppurtunities" rather than the ususal interpretation of
"oppurtunities kept away". The later is what I think is true is
happening in my life and former could be a medium to the stalker
spirit who proclaims to be my Guardian Angel.
They are declaring that they want me to become rich (everyday I have a
sinking feeling of have lost control of my life and material wealth
has been in descending ) but all i want is to be back to my OLD self,
with the perfect pride of rationality, objectivity a balanced life
even though I may not be rich when my husband loved me. They declare
my husband still loves me but that we are separated by
representational spirits of the community which we belonged before
because we are victims of Jealousy. This is absolutely shocking and I
am not able to figure if this stalking angel of mine has separated us
(or) if it is the community.
The visions have been freightening mostly until I have started to make
proper interpretations of them. The visions have always been inspiring
then on solving some puzzles for me.
In earlier stages I sought counselling from a self proclaimed
spiritual guru who ripped me off from thousands of $$$. Just turned
out that my vision guides are revelaing that this fellow is a medium!!
Going back to recalling the visions I mistook as dreams, they have
been exacly trying to tell me he is a medium and my dreams (which are
always opposites) have been showing him as an actor (dream symbol for
medium) who is bankrupt (final interpretation: I am one who lost my
money to him almost bankrupt) So the visions and dreams are being
BENEVOLENT. So I have solved the puzzle of the guru being a medium to
the same stalking voice angel.
Ever since, I have asked the question "My own true G angels please
tell me whose voice it is??" Then I am presented with a dream
( therefore I am concluding dreams are from my real G angels) that is
difficult to interpret (because of the opposites involved: the initial
shown is always someone whom I did not philosphically identify or
agree with during my formative years. I can't figure what the opposite
is -- if it means philosophically unformed that it could very well be
me at the present stage who is confused and tortured even since the
opening up of my crown or third eye) Atleast I think I have a hint for
an answer.
The only way I can solve this puzzle is to conclude this voice angels
are fallen angels (they repetedly keep saying this word and referring
to the fallen movie and I feel like the tormented Denzel in that
movie) and in this life/past life if I think I had turned off someone
unintentionally and the karmic consequences are played off in the form
of these angels then what could be my solution?? It is as if they are
making everyone whom I have a relationship with against me by making
them a medium. The worst part is when they declare that they are my G
angels. If what people say as G angels are unconditionally loving,
then this could not be my G angel (even though it keeps saying it
loves me. It keeps going on in this deep voice "I love you" and I feel
absolutely opposite of being tortured)
Anyone who is an expert in interpreting dreams presented as opposites
can respond as well along with those who know how to stop hearing
voices in a spiritual way (not the medical way). I have more material
to present.
Thank you,
truly,
A tormented seeker
Monkey Mind
> The big question: Am I being stalked by a fallen angel?? If so what is
> my solution???
My suggestion:
Shift your focus away from the content and towards the immediate
reality of your experiences.
In other words, instead of trying to figure out some hypothetical
message, just be aware of the fact you're having a vision, or hearing
a voice.
A very simple, highly practical way of doing so is to mentally note,
"hearing, hearing" or "seeing, seeing" as appropriate, until the
experience stops on its own. The intention is not to drive away an
experience, but to watch it while it's going on, without getting drawn
into it.
By doing this consistently, not getting discouraged, starting over
again and again, eventually you'll see through the experiences.
In addition, do some formal meditation in the same style, to hone your
skills with this. Terms to search for are "insight meditation",
"mindfulness meditation", "vipassana", "mental noting", and several
other ones. These are usually presented in a Theravada Buddhist
context, but the cultural trappings are not important, and often a
distraction initially. Just go for the meditation technique.
Finally, just as important, consider getting professional help with
addressing the specific day-to-day hangups resulting from this kind of
experience. Being functional in the conventional world is just as
important as having ultimate insights into the nature of things.
Good luck, and take care.
Cheers,
Florian
--
Every man passes out of life as if he had just been born.
-- Epicurus (Vatican Sayings 60)
salsufy
I suggest you learn to banish effectively and at the same time learn
to build your personal power. When I got into occultism seriously, for
some time my family and I were afflicted with poltergeist activity
which I could not control or banish. In desperation I contacted the
local Bishop who put me in contact with their exorcist and the priest
solved the problem. Don't be afraid to ask for help if you need it,
even if it necessitates asking to the Church for help.
565
> my solution???
There are no fallen angels. There are, though, bad spirits, astral
entities etc. My advice to you is to stop conversing with them and
ignore, as best as you are able, anything that they are saying to you.
Definitely dont invoke them asking questions. Any good spirits will
understand and resepct your wishes for them to be silent. Realize that
they are probably using your own beliefs or experiences to mess with
you. Most astral entities, if this is what your problem is, will
pretend to be anything that they think will get a reaction from you,
including being a "fallen angel".
I can try to help you as far as I am able (gratis) if you will please
answer the following questions (you can email them to me at
too_...@yahoo.com if you prefer) :
1. When did this problem start, how long ago?
2. Are you hearing voices and if so in what way do you hear them?
Inner ear (in your head) or as an objective voice?
3. Do you have tinnitus or ever hear sudden "tones" in your inner ear?
4. Do you have any physical symptoms (or health problems) such as
pain, tingling or pin pricks in your feet, groin, head or anywhere
else? Do you get regular headaches or migraines?
5. Do you have any moles, warts or unusual lumps on your skin?
6. Do you, or have you, taken recreational drugs? Do you drink or
smoke?
7. Do you live with anyone and do they have any similar symptoms?
8. Any recent erotic dreams leading to orgasm? (yes or no is enough, I
dont need details)
9. Have you had any poltergeist activity?
10. Age.
11. Have you used a Ouija board or anything similar to try and call on
a "spirit guide" prior to this problem?
Those will do for now if you want me to see what advice I may have for
you.
Forget the stuff about fallen angels, karma, or any other belief
system stuff for now. Dont talk to them (if they talk to you, dont
answer back). Do something to ground yourself, gardening, swimming,
exercise etc. Make sure your home is spotlessly clean, especially your
bedroom. Shower twice a day. If you are hearing voices, listen to
relaxing music (gregorian chant, mantras etc www.hos.com ) through
headphones to drown them out. Do things that take your mind off the
problem and not obsess about it. Get out of the house as much as
possible, walk on beach or in park etc.
What spiritual exercises are you doing? Here are some suggestions:
http://www.astraldynamics.com/tutorials/new-energy-ways/index.html
http://www.hermetics.org/pdf/TheArtofTrueHealing.pdf
Please reply to this post if you do email me so I can check that
account.
Tom
> On Apr 30, 7:10 am, the_sun1...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > The big question: Am I being stalked by a fallen angel?? If so what is
> > my solution???
>
> There are no fallen angels.
That seems a bit dogmatic of you. Just how do you know this? Divine
revelation? Scientific research?
Patok
That's an easy deduction, given that there're no angels to begin
with. Simple metaphysics.
--
You'd be crazy to e-mail me with the crazy. But leave the div alone.
salsufy
> There are no fallen angels. There are, though, bad spirits, ...
How can you tell? Why should 'bad spirits' exist and not Fallen
Angels?
565
Angels do not fall.
565
> On May 3, 3:06 pm, 565 <too_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 30, 7:10 am, the_sun1...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > The big question: Am I being stalked by a fallen angel?? If so what is
> > > my solution???
>
> > There are no fallen angels.
>
> That seems a bit dogmatic of you.
It does?
Just how do you know this? Divine
> revelation?
Yes.
the six six six shrinking man
Metamorphoses of mythology.
Tom
> Tom wrote:
> > On May 3, 3:06 pm, 565 <too_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Apr 30, 7:10 am, the_sun1...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >>> The big question: Am I being stalked by a fallen angel?? If so what is
> >>> my solution???
> >> There are no fallen angels.
>
> > That seems a bit dogmatic of you. Just how do you know this? Divine
> > revelation? Scientific research?
>
> That's an easy deduction, given that there're no angels to begin
> with. Simple metaphysics.
An assumption is not a deduction.
Tom
I'll repeat the first question. How can you tell?
Tom
> On May 4, 7:52 am, Tom <danto...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > On May 3, 3:06 pm, 565 <too_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > There are no fallen angels.
>
> > That seems a bit dogmatic of you.
>
> It does?
Oh yes. Quite a bit, actually.
> > Just how do you know this? Divine revelation?
>
> Yes.
The quintessence of dogma.
Joseph Littleshoes
565 wrote:
> On May 4, 7:51ÔøΩpm, salsufy <sals...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On May 4, 12:06ÔøΩam, 565 <too_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>There are no fallen angels. There are, though, bad spirits, ...
>>
>>How can you tell? Why should 'bad spirits' exist and not Fallen
>>Angels?
>
>
> Angels do not fall.
Or mate with men? oh yeah....and their daughters too.
--
JL
565
I have experienced Samadhi.
565
>
> >>On May 4, 12:06 am, 565 <too_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>There are no fallen angels. There are, though, bad spirits, ...
>
> >>How can you tell? Why should 'bad spirits' exist and not Fallen
> >>Angels?
>
> > Angels do not fall.
>
> Or mate with men? oh yeah....and their daughters too.
> --
> JL
Surely you dont take the Bible literally?
565
> On May 4, 4:51 pm, 565 <too_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 4, 7:52 am, Tom <danto...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > On May 3, 3:06 pm, 565 <too_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > There are no fallen angels.
>
> > > That seems a bit dogmatic of you.
>
> > It does?
>
> Oh yes. Quite a bit, actually.
>
> > > Just how do you know this? Divine revelation?
>
> > Yes.
>
> The quintessence of dogma.
Are you claiming that Divine revelation = Dogma? Are you sure?
the six six six shrinking man
I wonder if to unite with a human there would often be sexuality in
the humans perspective and possible the angelic intelligence if it
meets half way also? Especially in the day when they had so many
gross conceptions and survival requirements and they did take things a
lot more literally (not counting the stupid american masses in the
biblebelt).
the six six six shrinking man
can you describe it in about a sentence more if you aren't bored...>?
include correct grammar. (final exams)
Tom
If you think that experiencing samadhi involves being told that there
are no "Fallen Angels" but that there are "bad spirits", I think you
may be confusing samadhi with something else entirely.
Tom
A dogma is an assertion demanding unquestioning faith. How could any
divine revelation be questioned and yet still be thought to be a
divine revelation?
bassos
"565" <too_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:159dd220-237e-46bd...@o30g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
**
Angels do not fall.
**
Why are you placing such unnecesary restrictions on angels ?
Why would you deny an angel the opportunity to fall ?
Patok
> On May 3, 11:04 pm, Patok <crazy.div.pa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Tom wrote:
>>> On May 3, 3:06 pm, 565 <too_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Apr 30, 7:10 am, the_sun1...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>> The big question: Am I being stalked by a fallen angel?? If so what is
>>>>> my solution???
>>>> There are no fallen angels.
>>> That seems a bit dogmatic of you. Just how do you know this? Divine
>>> revelation? Scientific research?
>> That's an easy deduction, given that there're no angels to begin
>> with. Simple metaphysics.
>
> An assumption is not a deduction.
There was no assumption in the statement. We start with a fact -
there're no angels. From there, the deduction that there're no /fallen/
angels is straightforward.
salsufy
Tom
> Tom wrote:
> > On May 3, 11:04 pm, Patok <crazy.div.pa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> That's an easy deduction, given that there're no angels to begin
> >> with. Simple metaphysics.
>
> > An assumption is not a deduction.
>
> There was no assumption in the statement.
A "given" is a statement that is simply accepted as true without
question. Any statement that begins "Given that..." is making an
assumption.
You wrote, "Given that there're no angels to begin with."
> We start with a fact - there're no angels.
Just as religious people do, you are confusing your article of faith
with fact. A statement that angels don't exist is undemonstrable and
therefore cannot be accepted as a fact any more than the equally
undemonstrable assertion that angels do exist.
Patok
OK, you have a point. The non-existence of angels is not a fact,
just as the non-existence of pink flying elephants is not a fact. Both
are scientific theories, that are most likely true. On the other hand,
the theory that angels exist is not scientific, since it cannot be
falsified (I hope you are familiar with this epistemological basis of
science). The two theories are not equivalent in their demonstrability,
contrary to what you say.
I don't see anything wrong with basing my assumption on a
scientific theory that is true at this point in time.
Tom
> Tom wrote:
> > On May 5, 10:47 am, Patok <crazy.div.pa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Tom wrote:
> >>> On May 3, 11:04 pm, Patok <crazy.div.pa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> That's an easy deduction, given that there're no angels to begin
> >>>> with. Simple metaphysics.
> >>> An assumption is not a deduction.
> >> There was no assumption in the statement.
>
> > A "given" is a statement that is simply accepted as true without
> > question. Any statement that begins "Given that..." is making an
> > assumption.
>
> > You wrote, "Given that there're no angels to begin with."
>
> >> We start with a fact - there're no angels.
>
> > Just as religious people do, you are confusing your article of faith
> > with fact. A statement that angels don't exist is undemonstrable and
> > therefore cannot be accepted as a fact any more than the equally
> > undemonstrable assertion that angels do exist.
>
> OK, you have a point. The non-existence of angels is not a fact,
> just as the non-existence of pink flying elephants is not a fact. Both
> are scientific theories, that are most likely true.
I have seen no scientific evidence at all for the non-existence of
angels or for the non-existence of pink flying elephants. Can you
cite some for me?
I think the best you can offer is that there is no scientific evidence
for their existence outside of our imagination. However, I am
somewhat leery of deciding that something doesn't exist simply because
I haven't been able to find it yet. It seems quite reasonable to
decide that one is going to act as if there are no angels until there
is persuasive evidence to the contrary, but I'm not sure it's a good
idea to foreclose on any possibility of it.
> On the other hand,
> the theory that angels exist is not scientific, since it cannot be
> falsified (I hope you are familiar with this epistemological basis of
> science). The two theories are not equivalent in their demonstrability,
> contrary to what you say.
Suppose we are simply misunderstanding the nature of "angels" such
that we think they are some sort of immaterial being that exists in
some physical sense. Suppose that angels are actually denizens of our
consciousness which can act outside the boundaries of what we have
arbitrarily defined as "ego" or "self" or "conscious mind". The
latest scientific theories of consciousness suggest that it is a
collection of many, many functions, not all of them mediated through
the executive functions of the prefrontal lobes. There might indeed
be angels, devils, and all manner of invisible beasties living in our
heads and not exactly under our control.
If we understand a "fallen angel" to be a beneficial, semi-autonomous
operation of our consciousness that is not necessarily mediated by the
autobiographical self which has somehow malfunctioned and now causes
disruption where it had previously operated harmoniously, it could be
explicable scientifically, although we're not nearly sophisticated
enough in neurology to do that yet.
> I don't see anything wrong with basing my assumption on a
> scientific theory that is true at this point in time.
Like I say, it seems reasonable as a tentative assumption, but a truly
open mind allows for the possibility of error at any time.
Susan Blackmore, who did a lot of solid research into out-of-body
experiences, says that it is generally counterproductive to let one's
argument descend to existence vs non-existence. Instead of arguing
that nothing is happening, we should be arguing about what is really
happening.
565
I guess it depends on what you think an Angel is.
565
> "565" <too_f...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Because I like this place.
565
OK how about this. Angels have wings so can not fall, duh.
bassos
**
Because I like this place.
**
Ah.
So you think that if this place was to be infected by angels suddenly coming
here and being all fallen and shit would mess it up.
What do you think *you* are ?
565
> "565" <too_f...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:166e5b11-d78f-4339...@t10g2000vbg.googlegroups.com...
> On May 5, 7:33 pm, "bassos" <zebazz_nope at zonnet.nl> wrote:
>
> > "565" <too_f...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:159dd220-237e-46bd...@o30g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
> > **
> > Angels do not fall.
> > **
>
> > Why are you placing such unnecesary restrictions on angels ?
>
> > Why would you deny an angel the opportunity to fall ?
>
> **
> Because I like this place.
> **
>
> Ah.
>
> So you think that if this place was to be infected by angels suddenly coming
> here and being all fallen and shit would mess it up.
>
> What do you think *you* are ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U5HpeA_WSo
Or maybe Buddha is right and we are but bubbles in the throth upon a
wave of the Ocean.
bassos
On May 9, 8:40 am, "bassos" <zebazz_nope at zonnet.nl> wrote:
> "565" <too_f...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:166e5b11-d78f-4339...@t10g2000vbg.googlegroups.com...
> On May 5, 7:33 pm, "bassos" <zebazz_nope at zonnet.nl> wrote:
>
> > "565" <too_f...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:159dd220-237e-46bd...@o30g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
> > **
> > Angels do not fall.
> > **
>
> > Why are you placing such unnecesary restrictions on angels ?
>
> > Why would you deny an angel the opportunity to fall ?
>
> **
> Because I like this place.
> **
>
> Ah.
>
> So you think that if this place was to be infected by angels suddenly
> coming
> here and being all fallen and shit would mess it up.
>
> What do you think *you* are ?
** http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U5HpeA_WSo
Wot, no quote from the Fate's Knight book of shadows ?
(or is it your point that you are human and you need to be loved ?)
** Or maybe Buddha is right and we are but bubbles in the throth upon a
** wave of the Ocean.
What if there is no difference between being a wave and being the ocean ?
565
> "565" <too_f...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> news:999fa49f-bc43-494b...@z7g2000vbh.googlegroups.com...
> On May 9, 8:40 am, "bassos" <zebazz_nope at zonnet.nl> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "565" <too_f...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:166e5b11-d78f-4339...@t10g2000vbg.googlegroups.com...
> > On May 5, 7:33 pm, "bassos" <zebazz_nope at zonnet.nl> wrote:
>
> > > "565" <too_f...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:159dd220-237e-46bd...@o30g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
> > > **
> > > Angels do not fall.
> > > **
>
> > > Why are you placing such unnecesary restrictions on angels ?
>
> > > Why would you deny an angel the opportunity to fall ?
>
> > **
> > Because I like this place.
> > **
>
> > Ah.
>
> > So you think that if this place was to be infected by angels suddenly
> > coming
> > here and being all fallen and shit would mess it up.
>
> > What do you think *you* are ?
>
>
> Wot, no quote from the Fate's Knight book of shadows ?
>
> (or is it your point that you are human and you need to be loved ?)
>
> ** Or maybe Buddha is right and we are but bubbles in the throth upon a
> ** wave of the Ocean.
>
> What if there is no difference between being a wave and being the ocean ?
I don't care if there is.
the_s...@yahoo.com
please avoid irrelevant/argumentative. Therefore:
I will make this puzzle easy, because I myself am working on it. I am
going to reword this narrative as well. I will only read responses
that that lucid, non-argumentative, wise and balanced. I prefer
someone quoting similar experiences of them, family or firends and HOW
they rode OUT of it without getting burnt rather than some silly and
unsubstantial.
In 2005, I approached a self-proclaimed Guru who claimed to heal me by
astro-spritual healing for my severe energy imbalance problems leading
to heavy allergies. AT ONE POINT I WAS EATING JUST RICE AND BROCCLI/
GREEN-BEANS coz I was alergic to anything else!! I felt severe energy
depletions following what I now understand as psychic attacks which I
explained to him as 'Chakra imbalance' at that time. I was familar
with Yoga, Astrology and Pranayama at that time but that was about it.
This fellow who is a FRAUD ripped me of thousands of dollars with **
no ** cure expanding the healing project to include the well-being of
my new born business. In the next three years, I learnt an energy
balancing mechanism, psychic self-defense and started a standby income
scheme in order to leave my job if required.
In 2007 I asked this fellow (who had taken thousands of dollars from
me anyways) to let me sell artwork in his community center. This
fellow lumped me with the psychic fair he was renting his space for!!
Unbiased, I had a table in the fair and since traffic was low that day
we were just giving readings to each other. I was basically teaching
the psychics how to use pranic healing. In one of the casual readings
I had, a calirvoyant predicted using her angel cards that I will be
Clairaudient in the spring of 2007. Came April 15, and I was hearing
voices!! This was a predicted outcome so I was not alarmed. These
voices were unincidental and sometime humorus like those you read in
Sylvia Brown's book.
But the voices multiplied and multiplied and there were visions and
dreams in different dimensions. Since I have had an Out-of-body
experience dream explained to me as a healing dream I was still not
alarmed. But the intensity grew to level of these experiences during
the short naps during lunch break at work and lucid thinking time at
work, I HAD TO LEAVE my job.
Now, since I am highly intelligent person, I have to sort these
sources.
As explained, there are VOICES, VISIONS and DREAMS. There are THREE
types of voices: INNER, OUTER, LOUD (which I call FROM THE SKY). I
have BANISHED the LOUD using my will power at which point the OUTER
stopped too. The OUTER was the only lucid voice that made any sense at
all. It gave me names of books in the line of my taste and alert about
a person (That the healer Guru was a FRAUD etc.) The INNER and LOUD
were confusing. The INNER will never go away. ** RECAP **: OUTER
banished with LOUD. unable to banish INNER. It is incidental and not
rare or not continuous, but still ANNOYING, MISLEADING, CONFUSING.
These voices I hear happen only during quiet time as in meditation,
sleep or deep concentration during work. If your livelihood depends on
quite sparkling calm deep intelligence then you know what I am talking
about. YOU CAN'T AVOID your quiet time! This is disatrous since it is
like a "latch on" monster that destroys your thread of thought killing
any intelligent effort. I am embarking on a research project and it is
must for me to find a solution.
I went to another psychic fair last week. Quite interesting. Someone
who has advanced skills explained me in a ** PAID ** reading to me
that the VOICES are from THREE sources: Guardian Angel, Spirit Guides
and Ancestors. But yet they will not give me a straight forward answer
to the question to match up the VOICE TYPE to the SOURCE so I can get
a hint on how to research on STOPPING them.
I hate these psychics people to charge any $ since I never take money
for helping anyone grow wiser or spiritually heal or counsel. But the
this fellow was far benevolent than a later woman tarot reader who
simply stated ALL VOICES ARE FROM GOD [so pay heed to them] What a
NONSENSE. This was a ** PAID ** reading as well and as if in lottery,
I lost $$$. The former fellow is willing to work with me on hourly
rate. He guided me to ask this question: "Are you an entity of 100%
pure light?" He said the asnwer has to be a "YES or NO". If the asnwer
was not an YES, do not interact with the voice/ try invoking etc. I
asked the question three times with the following answers IN THAT
ORDER: "No", "heart", "100". So I sort of concluded the INNER voice
was a malicious one.
I am simply tired of paying for people who are intellectually and
morally inferior to me who run me in loop without giving a straight
forward answer/solution to extract money out of me. The fellow did not
guide me as to how to stop it. He asked me to read books on grounding
techniques. As I mentioned before I have tried visualization
techniques. When I explained this to him he put a puzzle in front of
me. "If you are an atheist deep down and trying these techniques based
on ascendedmasters, they [the techniques] will not stop it. I will
have to show other ways of stopping them". (Read: "pay me my $$$" for
another session)
As far the Guru in the beginning of this narrative, I decided to
simply sue him for FRAUD who extracted money by psychological
coersion. I simply am a VICTIM of envy or jelousy. Since the subject
of psychic was new to me this fellow ripped me off.
The question for you as a reader is:
1) if you are a psychic, what is the source of INNER voice? By inner
voice I mean the one coming from as if a deep well within the gut. It
is steady, audible to me alone as if coming from inside the ear. I am
fit as a fiddle and no health issues esp. no ear problems or
psychological issues. My hearing, vision are 100% normal. Don't ask me
stupid psychological questions. It spells me my forgotten passwords
and highly predictive sometimes. This is what keeps me confused about
the benevolent factor.
2) Is suing a fellow (the Guru who ripped me off) in a US court is
possible to reclaim my lost $$ ???. One thing I know for sure is that
this fellow is a MEDIUM and in all the four readings I had with him,
he acted as MEDIUM to deliver pschic indictment, verbal harassment,
which Can't be PROVED in court. But I can prove in the court of law
that HE IS A FRAUD. Understand that fellows like this screw up
themselves by frauding a lot of people and he was arrested twice. The
man is filthy rich and bought his bail. There is a heavy build up
against this fellow by law-enforcement. My conclusion is that he was a
MEDIUM to my enemies in the psychic plane during consultations and I
was led to him as if in a psychic ambush with an Ad from this fellow
in a credible magazine for spiritual healing caused by the same
enemies. While he may be innocent of MEDIUMSHIP he is not innocent for
coersing monetary payments.
3) In a recent psychic fair I learnt that dreams are from one's HIGHER
SELF. If this is true, is it ok to ask a question and answered in
dreams. My problem is my dreams are in opposites, and I can relate
them only when they happen but can't use them to predict. This means
that when the event happens in actuality I know it solves the event
explained in the dream (just the opposite of it!!) but unable to use
it for prediction since, for example, an opposite for Apple could be
Orange, Bannana or Strawberry. You never know until you get that
Orange. Just a silly example.
4) what do you use for psychic protection???
Blessings,
A seeker.
bassos
<the_s...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Ok folks, I do see some genuine, benevolent reactions/replies here but
> please avoid irrelevant/argumentative. Therefore:
We'll see.
> I will make this puzzle easy, because I myself am working on it. I am
> going to reword this narrative as well. I will only read responses
> that that lucid, non-argumentative, wise and balanced.
Oh how we box ourselves in.
You would specifically want to pay attention to anything that bothers you.
> I prefer someone quoting similar experiences of them, family or friends
Heh, so afraid.
> and HOW they rode OUT of it without getting burnt rather than some silly
> and
> unsubstantial.
Choose life.
> In 2005, I approached a self-proclaimed Guru who claimed to heal me by
> astro-spritual healing for my severe energy imbalance problems leading
> to heavy allergies. AT ONE POINT I WAS EATING JUST RICE AND BROCCLI/
> GREEN-BEANS coz I was alergic to anything else!!
So did it at any time work ?
Why not just the do it yourselve stuff ?
(I see that the astral dynamics dude now charges for his work, feel free to
ask me what is usefull about it and why)
> I felt severe energy depletions following what I now understand as psychic
> attacks
Lolcats.
Oh noes, i am sooo vulnerable to attacks, coz i am such a friggin pussy.
> which I explained to him as 'Chakra imbalance' at that time.
Heh.
> I was familar with
> Yoga
Nonsense.
If you knew union you would not have 'energy' problems.
> , Astrology
Oh re-he-he-he-heaaaallly.
Do tell.
I'd love to discuss astrology with anyone who understands it.
> and Pranayama at that time but that was about it.
Pranayama is all about getting that energy problem fixed, so you did not in
fact know anything.
<snip STOP GOING TO PSYCHICFAIRES>
> The question for you as a reader is:
>
> 1) if you are a psychic, what is the source of INNER voice?
Getting out of the way so that the movements of everything move you in
particular.
Classic right brain left brain paradigm.
Watch the episode of House with the severed corpus collosum patient.
> 2) Is suing a fellow
<snip irrelevant part>
No.
> 3) In a recent psychic fair I learnt that dreams are from one's HIGHER
> SELF.
So, did your higher self tell you this, or some huckster at a faire ?
<snip that is not a question>
> 4) what do you use for psychic protection???
Protection from what ?
Idea's ?
Concepts ?
Facing the brick wall of reality and being fine with it ?
Floating ?
565
>
>
>
> I went to another psychic fair last week. Quite interesting. Someone
> who has advanced skills explained me in a ** PAID ** reading to me
> that the VOICES are from THREE sources: Guardian Angel, Spirit Guides
> and Ancestors. But yet they will not give me a straight forward answer
> to the question to match up the VOICE TYPE to the SOURCE so I can get
> a hint on how to research on STOPPING them.
How do you know this person has "advanced" skills? The sorry state of
affairs today is that 99.9999% of "psychics" are all fake or suffering
self-delusion. The chances of you coming across a real Adept at one of
those type of fairs is extremely remote.
If you have voices (and if they are actual spirits) in your head
against your will, then its very unlikely they are any of the three
sources you state above. It is more likely to be lower astral
entities, which means you are going to have to do a lot of astral
work. Dont rely on finding someone else out there to solve this
problem for you, you will probably just waste a lot of time and money
(as you have found out) on clueless frauds. Did you look at the links
I provided and have you started those exercises yet?
> I hate these psychics people to charge any $ since I never take money
> for helping anyone grow wiser or spiritually heal or counsel. But the
> this fellow was far benevolent than a later woman tarot reader who
> simply stated ALL VOICES ARE FROM GOD [so pay heed to them] What a
> NONSENSE. This was a ** PAID ** reading as well and as if in lottery,
> I lost $$$. The former fellow is willing to work with me on hourly
> rate. He guided me to ask this question: "Are you an entity of 100%
> pure light?" He said the asnwer has to be a "YES or NO". If the asnwer
> was not an YES, do not interact with the voice/ try invoking etc. I
> asked the question three times with the following answers IN THAT
> ORDER: "No", "heart", "100". So I sort of concluded the INNER voice
> was a malicious one.
It doesnt have to answer your questions truthfully, whether you ask
three times or 1000. Lowers astral entities lie, remember this.
>
> 1) if you are a psychic, what is the source of INNER voice? By inner
> voice I mean the one coming from as if a deep well within the gut. It
> is steady, audible to me alone as if coming from inside the ear. I am
> fit as a fiddle and no health issues esp. no ear problems or
> psychological issues. My hearing, vision are 100% normal. Don't ask me
> stupid psychological questions. It spells me my forgotten passwords
> and highly predictive sometimes. This is what keeps me confused about
> the benevolent factor.
Try this book: http://ncane.com/rk7
Also see the FAQ there as well. It wont give you a solution, but may
inform you about how some astral entities operate a bit more. The more
you know about your situation, the less likely you will be taken for a
ride.
>
> 3) In a recent psychic fair I learnt that dreams are from one's HIGHER
> SELF. If this is true, is it ok to ask a question and answered in
> dreams.
I think you need to learn not to believe everything you are told by
complete strangers and cultivate some skepticism about all this New
Age rubbish that is out there. It is possible to get messages from
ones Higher Self in dreams, yes, but if you have a lower astral entity
within your sphere of influence, then its possible it could mess with
you in your dreams as well. There seems to be a tendency today for
people to look outside of themselves for some kind of guidance, maybe
spirit guides, gurus, or whatever. Why not guide your own life instead
of being led around by others that may not know any better than you
do?
> 4) what do you use for psychic protection???
See the links I gave in my first post. You could also look up the
"Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram" and maybe buy "The Middle
Pillar" book by Israel Regardie. If you were to answer the questions I
asked I could maybe think of more to help.
the_s...@yahoo.com
> On Apr 30, 7:10 am, the_sun1...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > The big question: Am I being stalked by a fallen angel?? If so what is
> > my solution???
>
> entities etc. My advice to you is to stop conversing with them and
> ignore, as best as you are able, anything that they are saying to you.
> Definitely dont invoke them asking questions. Any good spirits will
> understand and resepct your wishes for them to be silent. Realize that
> they are probably using your own beliefs or experiences to mess with
> you. Most astral entities, if this is what your problem is, will
> pretend to be anything that they think will get a reaction from you,
> including being a "fallen angel".
>
> I can try to help you as far as I am able (gratis) if you will please
> answer the following questions (you can email them to me at
> too_f...@yahoo.com if you prefer) :
>
> 1. When did this problem start, how long ago?
> 2. Are you hearing voices and if so in what way do you hear them?
> Inner ear (in your head) or as an objective voice?
> 3. Do you have tinnitus or ever hear sudden "tones" in your inner ear?
> 4. Do you have any physical symptoms (or health problems) such as
> pain, tingling or pin pricks in your feet, groin, head or anywhere
> else? Do you get regular headaches or migraines?
> 5. Do you have any moles, warts or unusual lumps on your skin?
> 6. Do you, or have you, taken recreational drugs? Do you drink or
> smoke?
> 7. Do you live with anyone and do they have any similar symptoms?
> 8. Any recent erotic dreams leading to orgasm? (yes or no is enough, I
> dont need details)
> 9. Have you had any poltergeist activity?
> 10. Age.
> 11. Have you used a Ouija board or anything similar to try and call on
> a "spirit guide" prior to this problem?
>
> Those will do for now if you want me to see what advice I may have for
> you.
>
> Forget the stuff about fallen angels, karma, or any other belief
> system stuff for now. Dont talk to them (if they talk to you, dont
> answer back). Do something to ground yourself, gardening, swimming,
> exercise etc. Make sure your home is spotlessly clean, especially your
> bedroom. Shower twice a day. If you are hearing voices, listen to
> relaxing music (gregorian chant, mantras etcwww.hos.com) through
> headphones to drown them out. Do things that take your mind off the
> problem and not obsess about it. Get out of the house as much as
> possible, walk on beach or in park etc.
>
> What spiritual exercises are you doing? Here are some suggestions:
>
> http://www.astraldynamics.com/tutorials/new-energy-ways/index.html
>
> http://www.hermetics.org/pdf/TheArtofTrueHealing.pdf
>
> Please reply to this post if you do email me so I can check that
> account.
Please see another post below my original (if you have tree view ON in
google post number 35 on this thread) that can give you much details.
Your questions 1 to 5 are asnwered there.
To answer your question:
6,7,8,9: NO
10: Late 30's
11. NO
the_s...@yahoo.com
original posting. Use "tree view" to look-up that part.
Thanks.
the_s...@yahoo.com
> Try this book:http://ncane.com/rk7
OK I read the first few chapters. This book is a totally different
line of study of instantly realized or percieved (through literal 5
senses or inner self) the presence of a foreign enity, a parasite.
Since I meditate and do pranayama etc I do not think I have this
problem.
What I am talking about is a very highly intelligent being that
attempts to conversate with me, reveals bit and pieces of a puzzle
instead of a whole, verbalizes a situation for which I have no name,
warns me of certain situations, blocks my progress in a certain
direction, opens doors in other unexpected directions and so forth.
This has taken control of my life, but in another way, not in a energy
depletion way, but sort of forcing an unfocused, irrelevant path of
life on me, "running me in a loop" sort of way. It is difficult to
conclude it is benevolent. If you are a highly intelligent person, had
a balanced life with loving family etc. but it is as if someone steals
all these from you stranding you alone and replacing a faceless entity
instead how do you feel? It claims to be angel and annoys me with a
grammer where it mixes "you" and "I". When asked "whom do u mean by
the word I?" it replies "angel". So you think the interpretation is
settled for ever. Then it goes "I am hungry". Then I ask "whom do you
mean by I??" Because angels do not get hungry. Do they? Then it says
my name (yours truly) as the answer. It interchanges itself with me in
conversations. It is absolutely nuts. I know. But I can't neither
banish or ignore this. It is annoying because my livelihood depends on
intelligent work and keeping the thread of though is important in
performing any work related task. It sort of latches on like a monster
that destroys the thread of thought. I have no cash income from my Art
endeavors, but being able to trade some for services.
antierg
The self-proclaimed Guru who ripped me off was a priest as well. I
decided not to approach any of these fellas because they want to show
you in a different light to the world that will force you to fight for
the basic decency of identity as a normal human being which you had
taken as a God given right to any human, just not you. In other words
these fellas seek to destroy what u hold precious the moment they
realize you are a pawn in their hands. For example an Xtian priest
might proclaim that you have accepted the holy communion with God to
banish the evil spirits within you even though you were not a Xtian
before (Read: "Amen to you who have surrendered to God in my presence,
so I cureth you of all the evil spirits that hold u in chain") What a
nonsense. THIS IS A TRAP DOOR!! Psychics are better, I keep looking
for $10 psychics and keep researching.
the_s...@yahoo.com
Look into this!!!!!!!!!!!!
Something to read, maybe not totally irrelevant.
psych...@gmail.com
trick you.
Ignore them and they will go bother somebody else.
On Apr 30, 1:10 am, the_sun1...@yahoo.com wrote:
> The big question: Am I being stalked by a fallen angel?? If so what is
> my solution???
>
> I am seeking some insight from highly spiritual souls about a psychic
> situation I am dealing with. It is a question of peace of mind rather
> than a question of trust. Please read below only if you are expertly
> confident in the subject matters of Pschic communictions: Mediumships,
> clairaudient, clarvoyant, karmic consequences, karmic balances
> tracking, regression of past like/ present life karmic dispositions,
> dream interpretation etc.
>
> There appears that I am in communication with three angels
the_s...@yahoo.com
> Please reply to this post if you do email me so I can check that
> account.
Please check your e-mail for answers to your questions. I do not know
if you read my posts further down this thread or not, but I have
answered numbered questions there. I would be grateful for specific
responses based on answers to the questions, along with your other
replies here.