stopping voices in head/ urgent/ help is appreciated
The PI
Please reply with similar cases, URLs for stories, treatment etc where
cases have been treated successfully. Whatever youi think may be
helpful.
I would like to stop hearing voices and having visions. While the
condition I seem to have is called "claiaudience" and "Clairvoynce",
there seems to be TWO MAINSTREAM reponses I detail below:
(1) that such experiences are from Guardian angels/ spirit guides and
is meant to be positive pschic development.
(2) that such experiences are negative and must be banished or
treated.
What is my view and experience -- do I experience this as positive or
negative? It is hard to tell because a voice that tips you on a sale
where you can buy discounted grocery but disturbs you to the point you
can't keep a job; scary visions albiet guiding you what to produce so
it would sell -- what if I had no guidance but kept my old job and
been happy; dreams that predict in opposites except that you don't
know if the opposite of an apple in a dream is a bannana or a
stawberry until you get one fruit. It is mindless and torturing.
With great will power I have banished outer and loud voices and
visions to some extent (let me post another anecdote on this) but
inner voice, it won't go away by applying WILL POWER.
After a good hearted fellow (565) posted links to Samueal Sagan:
Entities
Parasites of the Body of Energy
Excerpts
By Samuel Sagan, M.D.
First I rejected because my expereince does not seem like that of an
external entity parasite. But later I read more details -- cravings
etc. and thinking of a possibilty of a lower astral enity tricking me
believe it is an angel.
QUOTE from book:
" If we look at traditional Chinese medicine, we find that in
acupuncture, among the 361 points of the 14 main meridians, 17 have
the word Kuei (disincarnate spirit) as part of their main or secondary
name."
I went to an accupuncture chinese herbalist theologist spirital
practioner (she has atleast 3 PhD's on display) who treated me to
close the Gates for entities and 70% of the voices have faded. The
remaining is still annoying. It comes from the head very faint faded.
This voice reminds me forgotten passwords etc, except after past any
use.
Commonsense tells me, if an enity is removed there must be no voices
not just a fading off by 70%. So she might have just adjusted my
sensitivity to hearing? Note that psychics do this all this time --
adjusting of auditory nerves to start or stop hearing.
please respond asap. psychics are extorting and manipulative and the
accupuncture lady probably wants me to return so she can make $ in
more sessions.
I am willing to state how I solved the problem in return for your
generosity. Please repond asap -- they are attempting to dissolve my
WILL POWER and the voices are harassing to the point they are asking
me to commit suicide after I started figuring a way out. They are
isolating me. The other issues I am facing are psychic harrassment
such as missing objects, harassing phone calls inteference and
interruptions in schedules and appointments, etc.
I repeat -- I have no health or mental problems. No psychological
problems. I am a member of 2 to 4 professional associations and have a
good social life and my formal education is Graduate though I qualify
for one or two PhD for progressive work experience.
TIA
Tom
>
> a voice that tips you on a sale
> where you can buy discounted grocery but disturbs you to the point you
> can't keep a job;
Can't keep a job because of voices in your head.
> they are attempting to dissolve my
> WILL POWER and the voices are harassing to the point they are asking
> me to commit suicide after I started figuring a way out.
Voices that advise you to commit suicide.
> They are isolating me.
Social isolation.
> The other issues I am facing are psychic harrassment
> such as missing objects, harassing phone calls inteference and
> interruptions in schedules and appointments, etc.
Disorganization and feelings of persecution.
> I repeat -- I have no health or mental problems. No psychological
> problems.
Feelings of suicide and an inability to function socially or keep a
job are the hallmarks of some sort of neurological problem. In such
cases, your judgment of your own mental state may well be impaired
also. Understand that a neurological problem may not be the same
thing as a "mental problem". Although the symptoms you describe may
well match a diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenia, there may be other
neurological conditions that would apply.
> I am a member of 2 to 4 professional associations and have a
> good social life
Except that you feel isolated, can't keep a job, feel "psychically
harassed", and are having thoughts of suicide.
> and my formal education is Graduate though I qualify
> for one or two PhD for progressive work experience.
Intelligence is not an insulation against neurological malfunction.
Are you familiar with the story of John Nash?
Dar es Alrah
temporary relief also.
A B
As regards acupuncture, the partial cure might be due to removing one entity
and not another. Or it might be that rather than a separate entity, the
voices are hallucinations caused by a condition in your own body, or
something regurgitated from your subconscious. In this case it would be
quite possible to improve them without stopping them completely at first.
I have to agree with what Tom said, although I think he could have put it
more tactfully. You might have other mental problems without knowing it
yourself. However people do sometimes have hallucinations without anything
else. Best ask your doctor's opinion about this.
>...a voice that tips you on a sale where you can buy discounted grocery
This is interesting. Perhaps you could set it a test of some kind, asking
it to find out something you couldn't know even subconsciously. If it got
the answer right you would know that it was more complicated than just a
random hallucination.
Hope this helps,
A. B.
PS ARE you actually the_sun1947, or have I made a mistake?
The PI
> Did you find the Hearing Voices Network helpful?
> As regards acupuncture, the partial cure might be due to removing one entity
> and not another. Or it might be that rather than a separate entity, the
> voices are hallucinations caused by a condition in your own body, or
> something regurgitated from your subconscious. In this case it would be
> quite possible to improve them without stopping them completely at first.
>
How? Do you quote this based of experience? Could u please be
specific? Thanks.
A B
>On Jun 15, 2:49 pm, "A B" <a@a> wrote:
>> As regards acupuncture, the partial cure might be due to removing one
>> entity
>> and not another. Or it might be that rather than a separate entity, the
>> voices are hallucinations caused by a condition in your own body, or
>> something regurgitated from your subconscious. In this case it would be
>> quite possible to improve them without stopping them completely at first.
>How? Do you quote this based of experience? Could u please be
>specific? Thanks.
No, sorry, I was just speculating. You asked how could removing an entity
produce only a partial cure, and I was trying to think of possible answers.
If the acupuncture made a 70% improvement as you say, then it did better
than most treatments, either conventional or alternative.
Have you looked into the Hearing Voices Network? Are they any use?
A. B.
Mr. Mi-go
They got any tips, hints or useful information? Or are they just nags?
~.*.Saba Gracile.*.~
mental
so you need meds.
S
565
> "The PI" <the_psy2...@yahoo.com> wrote on 11th June:
If there is a 70% improvement it means there was more than one entity.
565
You might like to try the "Psychic Self Defense" forums at www.astraldynamics.com
if you don´t get much response here. I don´t have much time at the
moment (at an internet cafe) but I have been researching this subject
for some time and it seems that Magnetic Pulse machines are quite
effective at banishing these "voices" (regardless of what they might
be).
http://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/news/20000323/schizophrenia-voices-in-head-relief
Sorry if you described it before but can you tell me what the voice(s)
are like, are they in your inner ear? Where do they seem to be when
you hear them (in your head, back of neck etc)? Do you ever get any
pin prick or pins-and-needles sensations anywhere?
Mr. Mi-go
Try to just be a good person to other people and try not to make
problems.
The conscience that may be using voices to goad you will soon adjust
itself to new behaviors and you'll end up being much more at peace and
capable of living well. Don't hate the voices in your head outright,
just don't go doing anything they tell you.
If they, the "voices", find that your not a suitable host because your
a good person then they were bad to begin with.
If they like the good things your doing then chances are they were
just there to help in the first place.
From the perspective of them being "entities" at all, and not just
effluvia you've picked up in your daily activities subconsciously and
had your brain assemble as "organized perceptions" that interact with
your experience of yourself.
If they are just neurological problems then none of that other stuff
will help and psychiatric care is recommended, in the very least,
cognitive therapy.
You can choose to ignore this advice, i'm sure it probably sounds too
simple and straightforward to help you then some 'high-falutin'
metamysticism' you might be looking for.
Chances are though, that if you are having problems with your living
then these buggers aren't helping, they are hurting, and it's either
an early warning for prevention of further problems, or a sign that
your'e in trouble.
Please, be careful when using your mind/body/soul in unconventional
ways. When you experiment in these waters you run the serious risk of
engaging with things or parts of yourself, that recipe aside, you
might not be prepared to encounter.
Theres A REASON Kabbalists were supposed to wait til they were married
with kids at 40 before they were initiated. This early spurting into
the esoteric of our generation may have hurt us more than helped us in
the long run. Many unintended consequences could have occured as a
result of taking minds at a young age and introducing them to
intensely reality bending experiences before those minds had an
opportunity to even know what their reality WAS in the first place.
Sure this sounds marmy, and it probably is, to YOU. Nevertheless, be
careful, please and heed the advice given, from a VETERAN PSYCHONAUT.
565
> Simple Adjustments for this Dilemma:
>
> Try to just be a good person to other people and try not to make
> problems.
You´re making a judgement here that the person isn´t already doing so.
If I am swimming in the Adriatic Sea and there are sharks there, being
a good person isn´t going to help me that much.
> The conscience that may be using voices to goad you will soon adjust
> itself to new behaviors and you'll end up being much more at peace and
> capable of living well. Don't hate the voices in your head outright,
> just don't go doing anything they tell you.
The last part is good advice.
>
> If they, the "voices", find that your not a suitable host because your
> a good person then they were bad to begin with.
Or they are just parasites... "Larvae" as Eliphas Levi calls them in
his book "Trancendental Magic". The Universe is full of predators,
even on the Astral planes. Just because a mosquito takes some of my
blood doesn´t mean I have to make that mean something other than it
wanted to eat part of me to survive. Some things are simpler than they
at first appear without having to involve religious concepts such as
"conscience" or a "lesson from Gawd" etc.
> If they like the good things your doing then chances are they were
> just there to help in the first place.
Chances are they are fooling the person into thinking they are there
to help so the person will allow them to stick around a bit longer.
Especially if they weren´t invited.
Mr. Mi-go
> Chances are they are fooling the person into thinking they are there
> to help so the person will allow them to stick around a bit longer.
> Especially if they weren´t invited.
You posited a lot of good points. I probably was projecting malicious
intent cause I've had a problem with that recently, but yeah even
"green energy demons" and other mindless power parasites.
If them twilight kiddies knew what most actual vampires were they'd
probably go back to drinking milk.
Ato_Zee
> > If they, the "voices",
Hearing voices can be part of the multiple personality condition.
If you Google for multiple personality there are several thousand hits.
In the UK, a television program covered the life of someone
with several independent (the current personality did not know the
others existed) personalities.
It was interesting in that the TV presenter elicited the subjects
response to the recording of one of their other personalities,
of which of course they had no memory.
In some criminal trials the defence tries the tack that the
defendant was "told to do it" by inner voices.
"Inner dialog" with yourself, or another personality within
yourself, is interesting, because there are ways of turning
off the inner dialog.
It's a bit like riding a bike, a skilled facilitator can teach
you in about and hour (or less) and once taught you never
forget how to do it. It didn't seem to be a hypnotic process but
the facilitator has to entrain your thought process and
lead you through the process of turning off the inner voice.
(I speculate whether it would have to be done for each
personality)
You best course is to seek professional advice.
With visions the approach is "What do you see?" "When
did it appear?" "What was - etc, etc?" there is a sequence of
questions that should be followed to elicit their nature and
cause.
Tom
> > > If they, the "voices",
>
> Hearing voices can be part of the multiple personality condition.
If there really is a "multiple personality condition" in the first
place. There's a good deal of evidence to suggest that, if it exists
at all, it is induced in a manner similar to false memory syndrome
rather than arising spontaneously.
bassos
"Tom" <dant...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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On Jun 18, 7:58 am, "Ato_Zee" <ato_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > If they, the "voices",
>
> Hearing voices can be part of the multiple personality condition.
**
If there really is a "multiple personality condition" in the first
place.
**
Indeed, in general, MPS peeps do not hear voices.
If there would be interaction between the personalities, it would not be
mps, but more schyzophrenia.
**
There's a good deal of evidence to suggest that, if it exists
at all, it is induced in a manner similar to false memory syndrome
rather than arising spontaneously.
**
The 24 faces of Eve beg to differ.
(just a random number higher than 3)
Tom
> "Tom" <danto...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> news:f31d39ba-eea3-4a34...@n7g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 18, 7:58 am, "Ato_Zee" <ato_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > If they, the "voices",
>
> > Hearing voices can be part of the multiple personality condition.
>
> **
> If there really is a "multiple personality condition" in the first
> place.
> **
>
> Indeed, in general, MPS peeps do not hear voices.
From what I've been able to piece together, they'll tell you that they
hear voices if they think you'll pay attention to them for it.
> If there would be interaction between the personalities, it would not be
> mps, but more schyzophrenia.
The facilitation of interaction between dissociated "personalities" is
generally the process by which therapists attempt to alleviate the
problem of "MPD". It does not produce schizophrenia.
> There's a good deal of evidence to suggest that, if it exists
> at all, it is induced in a manner similar to false memory syndrome
> rather than arising spontaneously.
> **
>
> The 24 faces of Eve beg to differ.
> (just a random number higher than 3)
You know better than to argue with me using half-remembered anecdotes
as your evidence.
bassos
On Jun 18, 9:27 am, "bassos" <zebazz_nope at zonnet.nl> wrote:
> "Tom" <danto...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> news:f31d39ba-eea3-4a34...@n7g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 18, 7:58 am, "Ato_Zee" <ato_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > If they, the "voices",
>
> > Hearing voices can be part of the multiple personality condition.
>
> **
> If there really is a "multiple personality condition" in the first
> place.
> **
>
> Indeed, in general, MPS peeps do not hear voices.
**
From what I've been able to piece together, they'll tell you that they
hear voices if they think you'll pay attention to them for it.
**
That is, if there are no actual real mps cases.
> If there would be interaction between the personalities, it would not be
> mps, but more schyzophrenia.
**
The facilitation of interaction between dissociated "personalities" is
generally the process by which therapists attempt to alleviate the
problem of "MPD". It does not produce schizophrenia.
**
Disorder, syndrom, same difference ;)
I prefer syndrom cos disorder immediately claims it is wrong.
(thereby inducing 'patient' behaviour and such things as catering to the
doctor like claiming to hear voices, and dissociative identity disorder
suffers from both the patient making and the all spooky and unfamiliar
looking dissociative; so mps)
But schyzophrenia does produce actual perceived voices.
So if you actually are hearing voices, chances for schizo are higher than
for mps.
> There's a good deal of evidence to suggest that, if it exists
> at all, it is induced in a manner similar to false memory syndrome
> rather than arising spontaneously.
> **
>
> The 24 faces of Eve beg to differ.
> (just a random number higher than 3)
**
You know better than to argue with me using half-remembered anecdotes
as your evidence.
**
Only half remembering the amount of personalities she actually displayed.
It was more than 3, but the movie about her was called the 3 faces of eve.
apparantly it was 20
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Costner_Sizemore
Evidence for actual mps in her case was quite convincing.
Hell, i've seen an mps person for whom a particular personality was blind,
and some other ones where not.
(that one is not well documented, but it does look quite impressive :P)
Mr. Mi-go
my life.
I get advice, suggestions, support and encouragement from my inner
others.
I remain differently saned, and danged proud of it. It makes me
smarter than single brained people, as the old adage goes two heads
are better than one, and even better IN ONE. It seems also a matter of
"integration", and might have a lot to do with memory.
No one would be the same if they opened up their "world" quite so
widely. I blame/thank the net/web for this to a large degree.
Tom
> "Tom" <danto...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> From what I've been able to piece together, they'll tell you that they
> hear voices if they think you'll pay attention to them for it.
> **
>
> That is, if there are no actual real mps cases.
Depends on what one means by "actual real mpd cases".
There are many forms of dissociation. People can produce imaginary
characters and treat them as if they were real, even act very
convincingly like those characters. So how do you tell if they are
"actual real" characters or not? The whole thing is absurd. It was a
brief fad among therapy junkies for a while but nobody except a few
fringe therapists still treats it as anything but a culture-bound
psychodrama.
> > If there would be interaction between the personalities, it would not be
> > mps, but more schyzophrenia.
>
> **
> The facilitation of interaction between dissociated "personalities" is
> generally the process by which therapists attempt to alleviate the
> problem of "MPD". It does not produce schizophrenia.
> **
>
> Disorder, syndrom, same difference ;)
I'm not talking about labels but about outcomes. Interaction between
dissociated characters in your head is not schizophrenia. Whether you
call it a "syndrome" or a "disorder" makes no difference whatsover.
> But schyzophrenia does produce actual perceived voices.
>
> So if you actually are hearing voices, chances for schizo are higher than
> for mps.
The hearing of voices not produced by external means can come from a
variety of neurological processes, not only schizophrenia. One need
not create the false dilemma that it must be either 'mpd" or
schizophrenia.
> You know better than to argue with me using half-remembered anecdotes
> as your evidence.
> **
>
> Only half remembering the amount of personalities she actually displayed.
> It was more than 3, but the movie about her was called the 3 faces of eve.
As I said, you know better than to argue with me using half-remembered
anecdotes.
> Evidence for actual mps in her case was quite convincing.
> Hell, i've seen an mps person for whom a particular personality was blind,
> and some other ones where not.
> (that one is not well documented, but it does look quite impressive :P)
If a dramatic performance isn't impressive, it isn't a dramatic
performance.
Tom
> I like my alters, probably more so than many of the actual people in
> my life.
> I get advice, suggestions, support and encouragement from my inner
> others.
But very little shit from them, like you get from "actual people".
That, of course, makes them especially attractive. If you *do* start
getting as much shit from them as you get from actual people, things
start becoming unpleasant, as our original querent reports.
> I remain differently saned, and danged proud of it. It makes me
> smarter than single brained people, as the old adage goes two heads
> are better than one, and even better IN ONE. It seems also a matter of
> "integration", and might have a lot to do with memory.
Each character represents a different frame of reference. Creative
thinking is always facilitated by increasing the number of frames one
is capable of appreciating.
bassos
On Jun 19, 12:03 am, "bassos" <zebazz_nope at zonnet.nl> wrote:
> "Tom" <danto...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> **
> From what I've been able to piece together, they'll tell you that they
> hear voices if they think you'll pay attention to them for it.
> **
>
> That is, if there are no actual real mps cases.
**
Depends on what one means by "actual real mpd cases".
**
People who act as differing people without them separate people knowing
about it.
And yes, getting them parts to talk to each other is indeed useful.
**
There are many forms of dissociation. People can produce imaginary
characters and treat them as if they were real, even act very
convincingly like those characters.
**
Like dreams.
**
So how do you tell if they are "actual real" characters or not?
**
We have no means to do so, that is what makes it so scary.
**
The whole thing is absurd. It was a brief fad among therapy junkies for a
while but nobody except a few
fringe therapists still treats it as anything but a culture-bound
psychodrama.
**
So you never been overrun by the spirit ?
I mean in a well protected familiar ritual setting perhaps, but still.
The brain still is quite malleable in the very early infancy, doing lots of
pruning and such.
A ptsd so early might indeed very well create a different way of dealing
with reality than most people develop.
> > If there would be interaction between the personalities, it would not be
> > mps, but more schyzophrenia.
>
> **
> The facilitation of interaction between dissociated "personalities" is
> generally the process by which therapists attempt to alleviate the
> problem of "MPD". It does not produce schizophrenia.
> **
>
> Disorder, syndrom, same difference ;)
**
I'm not talking about labels but about outcomes.
**
I was too, just different ones.
You snipped it, you bad boy.
**
Interaction between dissociated characters in your head is not
schizophrenia. Whether you
call it a "syndrome" or a "disorder" makes no difference whatsover.
**
Yeah, but you are still going backwards instead of forward.
Symptoms first, fitting some explanation to it later.
And it definately does matter what label people use to describe what is
going on.
A syndrom is a collection of events.
A disorder is a conclusion claiming you are broken.
Another such silly term : Patient.
(no not the being comfortable while waiting, but the classification of
someone as dependant on you, the doctor.)
All so selfdestructive.
Positive attitude and terms fitting such is just better.
Train that neural net that is your brain.
Lest that organ that is your brain trains you.
> But schyzophrenia does produce actual perceived voices.
>
> So if you actually are hearing voices, chances for schizo are higher than
> for mps.
**
The hearing of voices not produced by external means can come from a
variety of neurological processes, not only schizophrenia.
**
So ?
Yes hallucinations have loads of sources.
Say drugs or simple fatigue, or thirst, whatever.
That still leaves schizo above mpd as far as possible 'disorders' go.
**
One need not create the false dilemma that it must be either 'mpd" or
schizophrenia.
**
Higher chances became a dichotomy when ?
> You know better than to argue with me using half-remembered anecdotes
> as your evidence.
> **
>
> Only half remembering the amount of personalities she actually displayed.
> It was more than 3, but the movie about her was called the 3 faces of eve.
**
As I said, you know better than to argue with me using half-remembered
anecdotes.
**
And apparantly you have grown to know better than to argue with me at all.
> Evidence for actual mps in her case was quite convincing.
I linked to her wiki page, feel free to cast doubt upon it.
565
Which professionals? The ones that will prescribe mind-numbing drugs
with atrocious side-effects?
565
> On Jun 18, 9:27 am, "bassos" <zebazz_nope at zonnet.nl> wrote:
>
> > "Tom" <danto...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:f31d39ba-eea3-4a34...@n7g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jun 18, 7:58 am, "Ato_Zee" <ato_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > If they, the "voices",
>
> > > Hearing voices can be part of the multiple personality condition.
>
> > **
> > If there really is a "multiple personality condition" in the first
> > place.
> > **
>
> > Indeed, in general, MPS peeps do not hear voices.
>
> From what I've been able to piece together, they'll tell you that they
> hear voices if they think you'll pay attention to them for it.
Funny that, as your email on here used to include the "payattention"
moniker, which you have used often in your posts.
HG
What would you want the doctors to do? Pat a patient in the head and send
him home?
If they had drugs or other effective cures without side-effects, *of course*
they would prefer to use them. But they don't, so they can't.
"You have cancer. You'd have a good chance to be cured with chemotherapy,
but we won't give it to you, because it has atrocious side-effects, like your
hair falling out. So, sorry. You better put your affairs in order and say
good bye to your loved ones."
HG
Mr. Mi-go
> > I remain differently saned, and danged proud of it. It makes me
> > smarter than single brained people, as the old adage goes two heads
> > are better than one, and even better IN ONE. It seems also a matter of
> > "integration", and might have a lot to do with memory.
>
> Each character represents a different frame of reference. Creative
> thinking is always facilitated by increasing the number of frames one
> is capable of appreciating.
?Critical Paranoic Method?
Ike Milligan
262b23...@a36g2000yqc.googlegroups.com:
The auditory stimulus you describe is not supernormal or supernatural.
It is due to overstimulation. The best thing if possible would be to end
it. If you are expecting to hear it, or obsessed with hearing it, this
is part of the anxiety which becomes a part of the circular
overstimulation which caused it in the first place. In other words, a
feedback loop, but not the original cause. the feedback loop can not be
fought against, but the original cause may be dealt with, mitigating
slowly the feedback. Also before I say more, I would strongly suspect
there is a sleep disturbance involved.
I do not know enough about the details of your life, diet or habits to
make very specific suggestions for change. Moreover I am not a
professional healer of any kind. I can make some suggestions. You might
likely have been exposed to stress which produced a surge in adrenaline
which has stimulated an over-reaction in brain chemistry. The stressful
events may have occurred very recently, but more probably months ago,
the further in the past the less likely you are to suspect it as a
cause. An injury or frightful experience. Talking about it with a
professional might help. However, that is not the only possible partial
answer, and it might not work if you get the wrong therapist.
It is very important to get a sensible diet and not use drugs or
substances that might contribute to the problem. Avoid refined food
products such as white flour ingredients, desserts, and instead eat
foods with lower glycemic indexes. An excellent book easily found used
on Amazon, or from a library, or inter-library loan, is "Your Miracle
Brain" by Jean Carper. In this book you will find everything you need to
know about brain nutrition, as well as a list of foods' glycemic
indexes.
:About getting enought sleep; I have found from experience that I can go
to sleep if I lie perfectly still and breathe normally. At some point of
lying still I may find a minor shift in position to relieve a
discomfort, and then I can go to sleep. If I were to become impatient
and roll around, I would not go to sleep.
There are many people, like you have mentioned, who are more than happy
to take your money, and tell you various theories, based on their
profession of how to make a living off other peoples' pain.
marika
"Ike Milligan" <accord...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> The auditory stimulus you describe is not supernormal or supernatural.
What a mystery. What are they referring to.
mk5000
"Out of the starlight night the telling of all our lives,
And racing faster than the Northwestern World.
Starpoint to signal our endlessness
Starpoint to signal this evermore"--angkor wat, yes
marika
"Ato_Zee" <ato...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The professional advice is a good thing to do. There are numerous diagnoses
that fit this.
There are also traumatic reasons, toxic problems, fevers, and such that can
cause it.
heck maybe one of those tooth fillings are receivers even.
Or, perhaps you are having visitations from the other world in which case
you should see a priest or other spiritual leader
mk5000
"It was the first time that I saw you
It was the first time that I knew
Out of all my disbelieving,
Holding on, I was holding you."--holding on, yes
marika
"The PI" <the_p...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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you have a health and or mental problem if you feel you have to ask about
it, it is clearly causing distress otherwise you wouldn't be asking for
advice from faceless nonexpert people
the definition of most mental problems in DSM is that it causes distress
otherwise it wouldn't be perceived as a disorder
Here's the latest
http://books.google.com/books?id=_KIEAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA454&dq=have+cutout+notches
marika
"Mr. Mi-go" <zevill...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I like my alters, probably more so than many of the actual people in
> my life.
HILARIOUS THANK YOU
mk5000
".The Nieman Foundation for Journalism at Harvard University has awarded
midcareer fellowships to more than 1,300 journalists from 89 countries since
1938. It is the oldest such program for journalists in the world.
In 1957, former editor and later publisher and president Barton Morris was
named a Nieman Travel Fellow by the Southern Association of Nieman Fellows.
He traveled to England, France and North Africa to study
colonialism."--Roaonoke Times
marika
"bassos" <zebazz_nope at zonnet.nl> wrote in message
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>
>>
> Only half remembering the amount of personalities she actually displayed.
> It was more than 3, but the movie about her was called the 3 faces of eve.
>
> apparantly it was 20
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Costner_Sizemore
>
> Evidence for actual mps in her case was quite convincing.
> Hell, i've seen an mps person for whom a particular personality was blind,
> and some other ones where not.
> (that one is not well documented, but it does look quite impressive :P)
>
I thought it was Sybil they were talking about, another movie about
dissociative personality
mk5000
"Take the water to the mountain;
Let's become alive again.
Holy water, holy mountain,
Holy river, holy tree."--yes
marika
"565" <too_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>You�re making a judgement here that the person isn�t already doing so.
>If I am swimming in the Adriatic Sea and there are sharks there, being
>a good person isn�t going to help me that much.
unless of course the sharks eat you and you get to go to heaven
mk5000
"I've been lost in a maze of emotional compound
I believe that you knew that our faith was secure
How you kept to be smile with the cool disposition
How you stuck in the fire with a new sense of reason"--saving my heart, yes
565
You´re right, anything that alleviates suffering is fine. But I am
talking about alleviating the causes of suffering, not the symptoms.
BTW have you ever tried the drugs that they prescribe? I have, and
through personal experience I can tell you that, although they help me
to sleep, they didn´t stop the cause of my problem.
Tom
>
> You´re right, anything that alleviates suffering is fine. But I am
> talking about alleviating the causes of suffering, not the symptoms.
> BTW have you ever tried the drugs that they prescribe? I have, and
> through personal experience I can tell you that, although they help me
> to sleep, they didn´t stop the cause of my problem.
It occurs to me that one of your main problems is your inability to
accurately discern cause and effect relationships, which is going to
make it extremely difficult for you to figure out what's really
causing your problems. And since another of your problems is your
inability to trust anyone else to discern the cause of your problems
for you, you're stuck.
565
And you worked all this out about Me from text on a screen? I think we
ought to meet for real so that I can let you in on a few secrets. I´m
thinking of coming to America as soon as I have sold my apartment here
in Spain, whereabouts are you?
Ato_Zee
> You�re right, anything that alleviates suffering is fine. But I am
> talking about alleviating the causes of suffering, not the symptoms.
Before you can work on the cause(s) you need to determine
the cause or causes, otherwise there will be no progress.
Professional advice does not necessarily involve mine-numbing
drugs.
bassos
>
>> You�re right, anything that alleviates suffering is fine. But I am
>> talking about alleviating the causes of suffering, not the symptoms.
>
> Before you can work on the cause(s) you need to determine
> the cause or causes, otherwise there will be no progress.
That is possible.
If work is simply always restricted to the one work, such possibilities can
be ignored.
Meddling in the bubbling of the cauldron might upset the broth, that's kinda
true.
Then again, how would meddling in the single movement of the universe
actually be possible ?
> Professional advice does not necessarily involve mine-numbing
> drugs.
Professional advice does not take into consideration that we really are far
less dense than exteriors suggest.
Luminous beings are we.
There is a nice bit of bertrand russel.
Some history channel bit in which during his last years he had some concept
eploring discussions.
The reason why mythology is worthwhile :
It tells our story.
It does not matter if some parts seem inappropriate to you personally.
It is the whole story that makes viewpoints seem not so incongruent.
The cause is the movement of the universe.
Mysticism is moving as that movement.
Magick is choosing a movement that is incongruent so something gets changed.
565
> > You´re right, anything that alleviates suffering is fine. But I am
> > talking about alleviating the causes of suffering, not the symptoms.
>
> Before you can work on the cause(s) you need to determine
> the cause or causes,
I already know the causes. Can you go oobe/astral project? If you are
not aware of how we are being enslaved by beings on the astral level I
can recommend a few books to clue you in if you like.
otherwise there will be no progress.
> Professional advice does not necessarily involve mine-numbing
> drugs.
The drugs numb the central nervous system, which is where the lower
astral wildlife are getting into us.
HG
Oh, I have tried the drugs they describe.
The main problem I have with my health is my allergy. When I was a kid,
antihistamines were crude - effective, but with lots of nasty side effects.
They would cure my allergy, all right, but also make me extremely drowsy,
like taking a sleeping pill. As a result, I decided that suffering from
allergy was preferable to taking allergy medication.
But nowadays, there are a bundle of working antihistamines that do not affect
the central nervous system at all. I cheerfully take a pill every day during
spring and summer, and am a lot better off for it.
But on the other hand, if I had cancer and were prescribed chemotheraphy, I
would certainly take it, even with the awful side effects it has. I mean, an
allergy just means a perpetually runny nose and itching skin, not a painful
and lingering death.
HG
HG
> On Jul 12, 10:22 pm, "Ato_Zee" <ato_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > You´re right, anything that alleviates suffering is fine. But I am
> > > talking about alleviating the causes of suffering, not the symptoms.
> >
> > Before you can work on the cause(s) you need to determine
> > the cause or causes,
>
> I already know the causes.
No, you do not. You just think you do.
> Can you go oobe/astral project? If you are not aware of how we are being
> enslaved by beings on the astral level I can recommend a few books to clue
> you in if you like.
QED.
HG
565
> 565 <too_f...@yahoo.com> writes:
> > On Jul 12, 10:22 pm, "Ato_Zee" <ato_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > You´re right, anything that alleviates suffering is fine. But I am
> > > > talking about alleviating the causes of suffering, not the symptoms.
>
> > > Before you can work on the cause(s) you need to determine
> > > the cause or causes,
>
> > I already know the causes.
>
> No, you do not. You just think you do.
And you just think I don´t.
Tom
> On Jul 12, 8:38 pm, Tom <danto...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 10, 12:53 pm, 565 <too_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > You´re right, anything that alleviates suffering is fine. But I am
> > > talking about alleviating the causes of suffering, not the symptoms.
> > > BTW have you ever tried the drugs that they prescribe? I have, and
> > > through personal experience I can tell you that, although they help me
> > > to sleep, they didn´t stop the cause of my problem.
>
> > It occurs to me that one of your main problems is your inability to
> > accurately discern cause and effect relationships, which is going to
> > make it extremely difficult for you to figure out what's really
> > causing your problems. And since another of your problems is your
> > inability to trust anyone else to discern the cause of your problems
> > for you, you're stuck.
>
> And you worked all this out about Me from text on a screen?
Yes, of course. The text was authored by you, after all. It
shouldn't surprise you that it tells us about your problems as well as
about your opinions.
> I think we
> ought to meet for real so that I can let you in on a few secrets.
I am probably not interested in secrets like the exact position of the
dimple on your left ass cheek. Just so you know...
> I´m
> thinking of coming to America as soon as I have sold my apartment here
> in Spain, whereabouts are you?
The trackless reaches of western Oregon. It's a pretty long way from
Spain, but you're always welcome.