STRANGE LIGHTS OVER NORWAY
Akhet
" This morning in Norway, people saw a strange and still-unexplained phenomenon.
Eye-witness Nick Banbury of Harstad reports: "We are used to seeing lots of auroras here in Arctic Norway,
but on my way to work this morning I saw something completely unexpected. Between 7:50 and 8:00 a.m.
local time, there was a strange light in the sky," shown here in a photo taken by Jan Petter: "
http://www.spaceweather.com/swpod2009/09dec09/Jan-Petter1.jpg?PHPSESSID=jveo875sdf8fjfeomc29vt2ci4
http://www.spaceweather.com/
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If course I still 'hope for explosions not to happen before I get some of
my 'theories' together... But I'm kind of a 'fool' on the matter of a 'dream' I
still consider totally out of the ordinary from years ago.. This involved a
situation where around my place; Numerous 'explosions' in the skies
affected us around.. This dream was a preambule, to some others even
more disconcerting.. But I do not reject a possible answer from simplistic
psychology... Part of the 'Ethics' I must use to resume my ordinary life affairs,
and good emotions.. as in (DO NOT PANIC) :D
Of course my 'interpretations' are weird, and if I'm always a little on my toes
when anything out of the ordinary occurs; You can't blame me for being honest.
While 'reason' commands to just take this event into considerations and
go on resuming our good life, under the circumstances.
It's quite possible that in a few days; this will be explained 'somehow', or maybe
just provided 'high authorities' disinformations to quiet the sceptical minds.
HERE; I am certainly not alone noticing the 'spiral' odd shape of the 'aura' around the
center part of the glow... Can it just be a 'trick' of lenses, or even pure composition
from the same kind of people who take 'malignous' pleasure to create these
astonishing circle patterns in croms, here and there... It can very well be. :D
I'm just observing here with a mind that can only be called;
Ready for the unexpected.
Cheers,
Akhet
On second view it looks just too much like a very 'clever' and
powerful light projector device; 'smoke included'. Spiral design.
I meant to write about 'crop circles' (not crom) who are ingeniously
making these patterns for 'obscure reasons' but well known methods
of doing it.
So; This is most likely 'odd' but of an natural 'odd' origin... People !
Sorry for the false alarm... Explosions in the skies, are exactly
explosions in the skies, and that's just not it at all.
Now, I just expect Norway 'authorities' to disclose their
"clever device".
But it was fun.. If only just to make a few more 'typos' on the subject.
of odd occurences. :D
thang ornithorhynchus
Some possibilities:
a. Rocket, such as a Bulova, mis-launched by Russians (SLBM) - high
probability. A Russian warning to shipping was actually in force at
the time.
b. The CERN collider has just started smashing protons at two and a
half thousand billion volts, the highest voltage yet. This thing
looked to me like a small black hole gobbling up atmosphere until it
spun off into space and had nothing futher to eat. Low probability,
but scary as shit.
c. Hitherto unknown auroreal phenomenon. Middling prob.
d. Wormhole disgorging alien space craft. Very low probability.
e. Hoax. Practically zero probability.
thang
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Akhet
thang ornithorhynchus wrote in message ...
:D .. Very clever multiple choice, but it seems that the usual
item f) is missing..
f. All of the above:
(i.e) Russians attempting to steal anti-protons from the CERN collider,
ran into a problem about proton decay and had to rush the mission;
Then lunched a Bulova missile, was compromised first by a 'green smoke'
gas (possibly ionized romulian beer); The anti-proton carrier Bulova had
to ressort to alpha-delta flight pattern to avoid unknown interception menace,
which from high anti-mater charges caused a sub-space tengential micro
wormhole; The missile continued 'straight up' according to its instruments,
unable to notice/compensate for the space distortion.
From another referential (spectators on teh ground), it appeared to spin locally
around the center point, causing the engine smoke to expand in a spiral;
while the missile would itself be pulled into the 11'th dimention which the collapsed
entirely to leave a Middling prob in the form of an unknown auroreal phenomenon.
.... But while all this took place with documented results; a 'fictional' character was laughing.
'Arthur was laughing'.. And the reason he was is that he just had pulled this entire Hoax,
comfortably sitting at the commands of The Heart of Gold
/prototype ship for infinitely improbable travel.
There might be more possibilities to the list; But for now; Just to be safe,
I'll go with f). .. But the main raison I do, is because I'm scared of thinking about item g)
<<Which might involve Sartre BTW>> :)
"You look at the floor and see the floor. I look at the floor and see molecules. " -Dan Aykroyd
�There probably is a God.Many things are easier to explain if there is than if
there isn �t.�
Quoted in Macrae,John von Neumann ,p.379.
"Students achieving Oneness will move on to Twoness. " - Woody Allen
Rein Hjort Elgeseth
> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:15:03 -0800, "Akhet" <he...@home.earth> wrote:
>
>>Oh.. Forget about that..
>>
>>On second view it looks just too much like a very 'clever' and
>>powerful light projector device; 'smoke included'. Spiral design.
>>
>>I meant to write about 'crop circles' (not crom) who are ingeniously
>>making these patterns for 'obscure reasons' but well known methods
>>of doing it.
>>
>>So; This is most likely 'odd' but of an natural 'odd' origin... People !
>>Sorry for the false alarm... Explosions in the skies, are exactly
>>explosions in the skies, and that's just not it at all.
>>
>>Now, I just expect Norway 'authorities' to disclose their
>>"clever device".
>>
>>But it was fun.. If only just to make a few more 'typos' on the subject.
>>of odd occurences. :D
>
> Some possibilities:
>
> a. Rocket, such as a Bulova, mis-launched by Russians (SLBM) - high
> probability. A Russian warning to shipping was actually in force at
> the time.
The russians has confirmed this now. They have also confirmed that they
have fired the constructor. :-)
RHE
slider
Akhet wrote...
> There might be more possibilities to the list; But for now; Just to be safe,
> I'll go with f). .. But the main raison I do, is because I'm scared of thinking
> about item g) <<Which might involve Sartre BTW>> :)
### - heh, what's the matter... sartre (french rationalist supreme) not
'good enough' for you or something??
then how about Arthur Rimbaud, i suppose he doesn't count either ;-)
slider
### - now you probably think i am being horrible to you here hehehe, but i think
this latest 'newsflash' (and rational mistake) of yours is only additional proof
of the point i have been attempting to 'point-out' to you for quite some time...
of course no doubt you'll quickly 'rationalise' this latest episode too, and thus
continue to allow yourself to ultimately 'ignore' any errors that happen to
'contradict' your own personal agenda for (and in) information gathering (i.e. you
seem to have your own personal 'slant' on just what information is important
compared to other available information that doesn't back-up your own ideas of how
it all should be etc, something i consider to be a basic 'dis-honesty')
my point being... that what you are selecting for emphasis, things that you
think/imagine to yourself contain some kind of 'spiritual' aspects and relevance,
are in fact only that rational part of you trying to 'imagine' (because it doesn't
actually know) and approximate what IT thinks must be related to the spiritual,
but of course isn't... and thus all the errors! (i.e. the truly spiritual doesn't,
and never, makes mistakes... intuition is infallible and unerring, or it's
useless and moronic)
iow, even if the rational mind is given to entertaining the idea that there may
just be some kind of 'spiritual' nature to the universe... it's rational attempts
at visualising what it can't directly perceive are always rationally
tainted/corrupted in some manner and thus prone to making mistakes, something even
newton fell prey to :)
mistakes which reason then makes excuses for (tells itself: to err is human,
rationalises it etc) and thus it can then continue in exploring/expanding its own
often erroneous ideas about how everything is or is likely to be...
bearing all that in mind... jump now to sartre at some point realising the very
same thing, and pondering how then to remove reason per se (i.e. the corrupting
influence or part) from the equation so as to let the intuition aspect become more
purified and correct/untainted, so to speak...
and there is only one way... and that's to command the fucker to
keep its grubby little rational paws OFF the subject matter lol :)
sartre of course was much more polite and gentile about it heh (you can
ignore my sense of humour:) and simply conceived of a way to 'hold-back' his
rational mind in order to perhaps better perceive 'beyond reason'
he wasn't seeking the destruction of reason mind you... only attempting to
withhold it's corrupting influence/taint upon the intuition
iow one cannot ever correctly mix the two, very distinct sides, to our nature
for they are totally independent realms of awareness and have to be treated as
such (i.e. never let the left hand know what the right hand is doing etc, and
vise-versa)
the problem basically being one of reason's inevitable attempts at
ideas/constructions of what the spiritual should be 'like' according to its own
criteria! only of course what it never stops to question is the fact that the
unknown (the spiritual unknown as opposed to the as yet rationally undiscovered
etc) is not 'like' anything it's already familiar with! (e.g. people are always
asking: what's it like? what's it like? when they want/need to understand
something new)
the point being that the 'spiritual' unknown really IS the unknown in the sense
that it's not LIKE anything we're already rationally familiar with! - the
understanding being that one cannot just 'add' the truly spiritual/intuition to
the lists of belongings of the rational mind, or ya just end up again and again
with yet just another wacky religion and/or dumb/moronic cult!
are you getting the picture yet tempy?? :)
reason does what reason does etc etc etc ad infinitum, but it's got to be a
'hands-off' approach when it comes to spiritual matters/the intuition, or you/we
end up right back in the brown and smelly every time :)
ok, so what's brown and disgustingly smelly, and sits on a piano stool?
Beethoven's last movement!
(just thought i throw in an old joke there haha, one of my visual favourites :)
yes folks, we're up to our eyes in (rational) shit again ha ha, and i know it's
all nice and warm and cosy and stuff, but well let me tell ya lol, when it
comes to spiritual matters it's just... pure horseshit!!! (rofl:)
hehe you 'cannot' mix the two tempy... or you just end up getting flushed right
along-side with the likes of newton who made the dreadful mistake of consulting
the friggin' bible for answers for christsakes! (lol, what a nut! :)
and yes... there IS indeed something even beautiful to the delicate and intricate
mechanisms of highly engineered clocks and timepieces... but it is a 'rational
appreciation' of beauty that is completely divorced from that of spiritual beauty,
spiritual beauty being of another order altogether (more abundant ;)
i could go on... but no doubt you're probably already quite pissed with me and my
'ideas' by now and thus unwilling to listen any further heh, dumb strange but
somehow wonderful lights in the sky being far more attractive (and immediate) than
anything that suggests looking in another direction, i know, i know... deep sighs
from slider.... (lol :)
2 'distinct' and 'separate' worlds tempy... but you've been mixing chalk and
cheese and offering it as being palitable...
yuk! :)
Akhet
<yak yak yak..>
>i could go on... but no doubt you're probably already quite pissed with me and my
>'ideas' ..
<couak couak couak.>
I don't mind your words.. As much as you are already not minding
them, for yourself.. i.e. Go back and read about your peers such as Krishnamurti.
I'm not gonna lecture you on this now.
But, be my guest; Please go on. That 'ego' of yours has some nice 'stumping' gears. ^_^
Plus you seem to have a lot of 'steam'/'frustrations' boiling with shod words....
Let it go; It'll do you good..
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"Never go for the punch line. There might be something funnier on the way. " -Jerry Stiller
slider
Akhet fumes...
> Let it go; It'll do you good..
### - heh, open your eyes... and then maybe you wont have to keep bumping into
embarrassing things better avoided: such as fake flying saucers and other,
completely crazy, wishful-thinking and imaginary ideas!
reality, and a genuine encounter with it... means 'getting real' :)
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"All our lauded technological progress -- our very civilization - is like the axe
in the hand of the pathological criminal." --albert einstein
Akhet
slider RIGHTEOUSLY insists again:
>
>Akhet fumes...
>
You are in the strong habbit of assuming a lot about others, and even more
about what others might feel and think.. And that's currently one of your biggest
delusion and strong indicator that you are doing just the same about yourself.
http://amywellsblog.blogspot.com/2009/05/when-you-assume-you-make-ass.html
>> Let it go; It'll do you good..
>
>### - heh, open your eyes... and then maybe you wont have to keep bumping into
>embarrassing things better avoided: such as fake flying saucers and other,
>completely crazy, wishful-thinking and imaginary ideas!
>
>reality, and a genuine encounter with it... means 'getting real' :)
>
What's 'embarrassing' in what I wrote already slider ?.. Maybe, and because
you used the word by yourself; It is you that is mostly 'embarrassed' about
so much. There is nothing 'crazy' about flying saucers; There are genuinely
intelligent and serious people looking for them; ex: SETI.
There is very little wishful thinking in what you just previously wrote, except
to allow your own stumping style to go and 'fume' about just everything
here.. But I'm no fool; I'm just a 'pretext' you incessantly use, to 'vent' these
pretentions of yours; I'm just another 'name' on your long list of 'targets'.
I wonder if I'm writing this for you, or just for the records now, because I do
not expect you to change anytime soon... Then Don't change too soon slider !
Just hope that you'll be spared the less rational and advanced minds
able to deal with all, and see beyond. Because that apparently frustrates
your current condition.
What's important is to understand for yourself, and see beyond; As even
Krishnamurti would say. What's also still a potential for you, is to be 'happy',
as in being 'you', and not the false Buddhist. (i.e. .loud / impetuous to the stick).
"Happiness is just being you, where you are right now.
Allow yourself to be you.
Shut off all the silly thoughts and desires and crazy emotions." -Frederick Lenz
>--------------------
>
>"All our lauded technological progress -- our very civilization - is like the axe
>in the hand of the pathological criminal." --albert einstein
>
Indeed there is something 'pathological' about just every human beings;
Here; Let not your own illusion of progress become that same axe upon
another. You, your assumptions and smoking colorful metaphors.
"One man can be given the cutting edge of a knife, for say, by
becoming a 'scientist' a 'politician' and what's not.. Then as whith a knife; It is
not guilty for being used in a murder; People may not realize their being misused
from all the propaganda/doctrines, or plain (ultra-complex) inter-relations from all
our evolutionnary state of 'human' affairs.. " -Temporal
I am myself already slider; That part of diversity you can learn to accept, and
learn to enjoy peacefully. When you can reach that level of peace that even the
youngest Buddhist apprentice are reminded of, over and over; Because indeed,
considering our 'pathological' human condition it's not always easy.
I'm like a 'photon' on a circular course.. I cannot evolve otherwise than 'jump',
altogether on the next more advanced energy level.
There is nothing in between; But figuratively speaking of the 'confusion' of
not knowing where to stand. iow; the human body is a perfect vessel for
a spiritual advancement. There lies evolution of mankind; And that's why
I can conceive that 'futuristic' beings might look very much like us.
Is that 'crazy' to you slidy ?... Maybe you just really don't believe you have a future,
as you told me already.. Maybe you are also not clear as who to 'follow';
Buddha, Sartre, Krishnamurti ...Take your time, patience, and learn who you are
through all these experiences.. Then once you do; You might learn
for yourself what it is to experience 'getting real'. It's not a rational thing you can
grasp, at your current level; I gather.
It might seem offending to you to see people of compassion, shedding 'tears';
(strong emotions), or demonstrate unusually bright expressions of joy.
Able to do all that and not sheer a single petal from a flower he holds.
What else is not 'rational', but almighty SYNCHRONICITY, manifesting from
above all life forms, and into it like powerful arms that can reach for the stars.
If you can still stretch a bit of reason into a good sense of humor, then you
have achieved a good human way to deal with the potentials.
But understand that laughing at it or at others is not the way/action intended
for this higher potential.
But for now, my advice to you is to just 'lighten-up' and laugh it it makes you
happy as much as you are able. That much, every beings can share and
easily understand. commonalities.
Proverbs 27:11:
http://bible.cc/proverbs/27-11.htm
"Be wise, my son, and bring joy to my heart;
then I can answer anyone who treats me with contempt."
slider
Akhet wrote...
>
> slider RIGHTEOUSLY insists again:
>>
>>Akhet fumes...
>>
>
> You are in the strong habbit of assuming a lot about others, and even more
> about what others might feel and think.. And that's currently one of your
> biggest delusion and strong indicator that you are doing just the same about
> yourself.
### - (laughing) i assume nothing, and only react directly to what other people do
and say in my interactions with them... iow i treat people as they 'reveal
themselves to be' and never what i personally project upon them unless i'm
deliberately probing beneath their surface act (i can also play at being the
devil's advocate if needs be ;-)
> http://amywellsblog.blogspot.com/2009/05/when-you-assume-you-make-ass.html
>
>>> Let it go; It'll do you good..
>>
>>### - heh, open your eyes... and then maybe you wont have to keep bumping into
>>embarrassing things better avoided: such as fake flying saucers and other,
>>completely crazy, wishful-thinking and imaginary ideas!
>>
>>reality, and a genuine encounter with it... means 'getting real' :)
>>
>
> What's 'embarrassing' in what I wrote already slider ?.. Maybe, and because
> you used the word by yourself; It is you that is mostly 'embarrassed' about
> so much. There is nothing 'crazy' about flying saucers; There are genuinely
> intelligent and serious people looking for them; ex: SETI.
### - so as a self-confessed rational man and qualified engineer you're not
embarrassed then that you pooped yourself in public with that ridiculous display
of misplaced enthusiasm for what turned out to be just 'another' load of old
rubbish that you turned into/projected something potentially interesting because
that's the kind of inane things you personally 'want' to believe in?? (lol then i
am embarrassed for you :)
> There is very little wishful thinking in what you just previously wrote, except
> to allow your own stumping style to go and 'fume' about just everything
> here.. But I'm no fool; I'm just a 'pretext' you incessantly use, to 'vent'
> these pretentions of yours; I'm just another 'name' on your long list of
> 'targets'.
### - smile, i have been trying to point out to you the fallibility of rationality
(the servant) compared to the unerring accuracy of the intuition (the gift) and
the fact that reason defends itself, even when it's obviously in error as per this
latest episode of nonsense you flaunted (and then retracted) as being
representative of truth... unfortunately your own personal agenda as to what that
'truth' may be blinding you because that's what you 'want' to be the truth
regardless of any evidence to the contrary (something i called a basic
dis-honesty, in this instance with and to oneself)
> I wonder if I'm writing this for you, or just for the records now, because I do
> not expect you to change anytime soon... Then Don't change too soon slider !
> Just hope that you'll be spared the less rational and advanced minds
> able to deal with all, and see beyond. Because that apparently frustrates
> your current condition.
### - set up in 1960 the seti people are/were looking for radio-type signals from
space that might just denote intelligence behind those signals, the one single
time in 1977 that ANY kind of coherence appeared in those signals was never
repeated and was probably only a publicity stunt designed at the time to create
public interest and thus further funding for what was becoming a failing
project... the fact that uneducated morons then took up the flag and started
looking for evidence of visiting aliens only revealing just how gullible we human
being can sometimes be (which is quite often actually as per your latest
example ;)
> What's important is to understand for yourself, and see beyond;
### - to what... fucking flying saucers?? lol give me a break! (hey i thought
engineers were the 'practical' types :)
As even
> Krishnamurti would say. What's also still a potential for you, is to be 'happy',
> as in being 'you', and not the false Buddhist. (i.e. .loud / impetuous to the
> stick).
### - as i said to our poor demented friend azure... what i particularly like
about Krishnamurti is the fact that he intelligently 'walked-away' from all that
nonsense and insanity, and in so doing became an enlightened man
(enlightened to the human condition, part of that human condition being our utter
gullibility when it comes to things we don't know/understand)
> "Happiness is just being you, where you are right now.
> Allow yourself to be you.
> Shut off all the silly thoughts and desires and crazy emotions." -Frederick Lenz
### - you should really listen to lenz... and shut off all 'your' silly thoughts,
desires, and crazy emotions (which has only been what i've been arguing to you for
after all) especially when it comes to flying fucking saucers and scientism
tinged with 'false' religion :)
-
>>"All our lauded technological progress -- our very civilization - is like the
>>axe in the hand of the pathological criminal." --albert einstein
>>
>
> Indeed there is something 'pathological' about just every human beings;
> Here; Let not your own illusion of progress become that same axe upon
> another. You, your assumptions and smoking colorful metaphors.
### - geeze, why can't you just 'listen' to einstein in the way HE meant it
instead of translating what he said into your 'own' version to suit your own
silly argument? (exactly what they did with bible/word of god too no?)
"i think what god MEANT to say" --bill hicks (hehehe ;-)
### - oh boy you're really gonna get it now! hahaha :)
i.e. all you're doing is merely justifying your own semi-rational pov (a kind of
bible-thumping) and ignoring any 'evidence' to the contrary... even when that
evidence is right in your face!! as per dumb lights in the sky over denmark etc
etc etc...
i mean, even if you'd waited 'one single day' before falsely announcing that load
of old shit to the world, you'd have at least saved yourself the public
humiliation of appearing to be an over-enthusiastic gullible fool, no? - and
whereas our kind friend thang tried to cover your em-bare-ass-ment (heh:) by
joking about it, i am not so inclined to assist you to continue to tell/preach
lies to yourself (and others) especially when i think you can do a hell of a lot
better than that!
iow, you appear to be far more interested in the discovery of flying saucers (for
example) than you are in discovering what's really going-on on this funky little
planet called earth...
now one of the reasons i personally/particularly like you is for your apparent
intelligence + innate simple sincerity and good hearted tolerant nature (e.g.
warming the hands of startled cripples in the street was imo charming albeit
rather naive haha, you were also lucky you didn't just get mugged by some
obviously very street-wise people ;)
in fact i'd even go as far as to suggest/say, without any arrogance whatsoever,
that maybe the very reason you have even met me (or someone similar to me anyway)
in the first place possibly IS because of that simple sincerity and
tolerance/kindness/charity etc you exhibit... someone who appreciates it for what
it is and who will automatically attempt to improve/strengthen/purify those same
qualities in you so that such qualities (in a human being) will never have to be
publicly ashamed or embarrassed, thus denigrated/disparaged...
iow i would hold you up a shining example (of humanity) but first you gotta be
washed hehe... washed of all that accumulated shit and false teachings you've been
literally 'force-fed' since birth, and when clean give you the 'meat' you so crave
and need to grow after your endless diet of milk and simple sugars (lol i've
always loved a good metaphor folks ;)
unfortunately you don't take even 'constructive' criticism too well (iow your
ego is still far too big!) and thus some work remains to turn an 'aspiring' man of
honesty into a more genuine and 'actual' man of honesty, one more capable of
evaluating ALL the available evidence instead of only that part that particularly
tickles his fancy and personal imagination/ideas...
otoh... no one is forcing you to interact, so just how far (down the rabbit hole)
it (and you) goes, is entirely up to you and how much you actually value truth
(and the way things really are) over your own personal beliefs and preferences :)
take care...
Akhet
Now listen to me slider...
Listen to me closely.. Clooooosssseeeellllllllllyyyyyyyy !
SLOWWWWWWLY.... Take time........
It's free... For this while.........
And I grant you this opportunity.
But I'm not going to make a self standing speech out of it, but
just go through it point by point. Because I CARE !
Should I talk about the 'inspiring Christmas music' I'm listening too,
this night.... I's done now.
Judge me, if you can't handle it well.... I can, and much more.
���
>slider wrote in message ...
>Akhet wrote...
>
>> Oh.. Forget about that..
>>
>> On second view it looks just too much like a very 'clever' and
>> powerful light projector device; 'smoke included'. Spiral design.
>>
>> I meant to write about 'crop circles' (not crom) who are ingeniously
>> making these patterns for 'obscure reasons' but well known methods
>> of doing it.
>>
>> So; This is most likely 'odd' but of an natural 'odd' origin... People !
>> Sorry for the false alarm... Explosions in the skies, are exactly
>> explosions in the skies, and that's just not it at all.
>>
>> Now, I just expect Norway 'authorities' to disclose their
>> "clever device".
>>
>> But it was fun.. If only just to make a few more 'typos' on the subject.
>> of odd occurences. :D
>
>### - now you probably think i am being horrible to you here hehehe, but i think
>this latest 'newsflash' (and rational mistake) of yours is only additional proof
>of the point i have been attempting to 'point-out' to you for quite some time...
>
>of course no doubt you'll quickly 'rationalise' this latest episode too, and thus
>continue to allow yourself to ultimately 'ignore' any errors that happen to
>'contradict' your own personal agenda for (and in) information gathering (i.e. you
>seem to have your own personal 'slant' on just what information is important
>compared to other available information that doesn't back-up your own ideas of how
>it all should be etc, something i consider to be a basic 'dis-honesty')
>
You talk about a 'slant' I have here; But I remind you this is a forum about 'dreams',
and although 'Carlos Castaneda' is the one on topic; I came here first because
I appreciate your being, and honest/blunt/learned speech, more than the fact our
encounter came from DREAMS, I had, and then looked for answers..
I'm slanted, towards honest beings, such as you can BE, under MOST circumstances.
If I was here to get acknowledgments, I'd be all over the Christnet stuff, and maybe
suffer all those thinking there is nothing possible outside the Bible's text and
further narrow minded simplifications.
Nevermind your 'grumpy style' and efficient teeth;... I care, and somehow...
Really !... You are bringing opportunities out of your hat, that you just don't know yet.
Shall we agree "NOW"... Of course not !.. Or the dialogue would be like
a milk skimmed to evaporated water.
(Hey... Slidy... From where I come.... You are more than what you think you are,
only now, is the limitation you bare, because the future you hold back, from
too many unknowns, you dare not consider.)
BTW;.. I'm as, most of the time; Writing this in a single throw of the brush.
>my point being... that what you are selecting for emphasis, things that you
>think/imagine to yourself contain some kind of 'spiritual' aspects and relevance,
>are in fact only that rational part of you trying to 'imagine' (because it doesn't
>actually know) and approximate what IT thinks must be related to the spiritual,
>but of course isn't... and thus all the errors! (i.e. the truly spiritual doesn't,
>and never, makes mistakes... intuition is infallible and unerring, or it's
>useless and moronic)
>
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA���
So; Obviously you haven't read anything about Buddha, Jesus, Castaneda
or even Sartre for the matter.
My poor, good old friend! Mistakes are as much part of the path, as the path itself.
That 'Judgement' you just cannot make for yourself, until you are brought to Zion,
to be Judged because you have 'nothing' in your basket to offer for the celebrations.
And believe me... Those holding a HONEST basket of mistakes are celebrated,
along with the prince of glory... Then, add one more item to your basket, and be proud !!!!
Can you believe that 'intuition' is just 'intuition' even in the Holiest view,
and that's not preventing anything to come from 'scratch' and evolve into betterness.
Nothing is 'infallible; Nobody is without 'mistakes'; Even my dear Jesus proved
that it takes more than a lifetime to carry that basket on.. The 'sin' of mankind.
The most incredible attempt to carry them all to the river of Life, and wash them all.
Then; Is there really something moronic; That would be something without this hope.
Because, there is no single word or wise saying that can cure a 'honest' being from
his duty to perform the Dharma's action he is bound to carry in this world.
>iow, even if the rational mind is given to entertaining the idea that there may
>just be some kind of 'spiritual' nature to the universe... it's rational attempts
>at visualising what it can't directly perceive are always rationally
>tainted/corrupted in some manner and thus prone to making mistakes, something even
>newton fell prey to :)
>
I can FORGIVE mistakes so easily !!! It's one of my best teaching from Jesus.
Then if in the eye of another, I'm not agreeing to doing so; I have to abide to
the extent of what is 'mistakefully' agreed to be a supreme law of our societies,
or be accused and brought to the cross of those who dared challenge in the
name of evolution. But there is still a margin for hope in that respect, to go around
and peacefully takeover the impetuous righteousness of our leaders,
well established but corrupted, from overachieved ambition and righteousness.
>mistakes which reason then makes excuses for (tells itself: to err is human,
>rationalises it etc) and thus it can then continue in exploring/expanding its own
>often erroneous ideas about how everything is or is likely to be...
>
>bearing all that in mind... jump now to sartre at some point realising the very
>same thing, and pondering how then to remove reason per se (i.e. the corrupting
>influence or part) from the equation so as to let the intuition aspect become more
>purified and correct/untainted, so to speak...
>
Reason is not the 'guilty part', if I may say so; And proclaim.
There is a very 'subtle' interaction between 'reason' and the rest of the mind
of the ones baring one.. There is a 'rational' challenge' as well as a
spiritual challenge, for all beings. TRUTH, eludes even the intuition most
of the time.. It's not a question of blaming everything on reason, as much as
blaming that even intuition is NOTHING WITHOUT LOVE....
And for that, you have to consider sentiments very highly !!!
Higher sentiments !
Cherish moments..... Take your time.. TRAIN... REJOICE !
CELEBRATE ! LOVE is there, closer than ever...
Purify this love, and don't be ashamed of loving with all the bodily fluids,
and stupid grotesque exciting words we can use to 'tease'; As long as it
is honest, and I dare say; childish... Because that's so primitive, that it
just can send you back to Eden and the joy of being alive.
Therefore, purification does not come from castration, but from embracing
our nature and honest origins.
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Hare Krishna Hare Krishna
Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama
Rama Rama Hare Hare
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CHILD IS PURE !!!!
>and there is only one way... and that's to command the fucker to
>keep its grubby little rational paws OFF the subject matter lol :)
>
OTOH;.... Teach the 'fucker' something !!!!
Carry the courrage; Carry history !
LOVE love love !!!
Grab something and hold it to your heart.
Better..... Grab yourself, and hold your heart carefully in order to raise it !!!
RATIONAL are just part of the 'mechanism' of life... Hold it DEAR in a
favorable intent to grow from the seed it just provides.
>sartre of course was much more polite and gentile about it heh (you can
>ignore my sense of humour:) and simply conceived of a way to 'hold-back' his
>rational mind in order to perhaps better perceive 'beyond reason'
>
I must admit, upon reading it all in one trait first; I CHOKED !...
But tonight, I'm enlightened, and got myself a comforting beverage with alcohool.
It seems that. as much as I can compare a speech to a meal;
It's better to let it cool down first, and then just slice it down in chunks that
are digestible; Given the enzymes are willing and ready. :)
Otherwise, you could get burned, choke or vomit if you don't care for
all the noodles or otherwise substantial constituants...
I had it cooled down; Brought my Enzyme friends to the rescue and
sliced it down in digestible chunks; So I can chew on it..
And hopefully Fart about it later. :)
So.. Only now, adding my spice onto it, making it digestible; I can thank you;
Slider.... :D
Beyond reason...... Maybe there is also another stomach to be fed. LOL.
>he wasn't seeking the destruction of reason mind you... only attempting to
>withhold it's corrupting influence/taint upon the intuition
>
>iow one cannot ever correctly mix the two, very distinct sides, to our nature
>for they are totally independent realms of awareness and have to be treated as
>such (i.e. never let the left hand know what the right hand is doing etc, and
>vise-versa)
>
..... Can you believe that 'intuition' is just not the end of it ?
HONESTY is a 'superclass'.. But it's impossible to rate and measure..
HONESTY is intemporal.. You might do a 'bad deed' according to some,
and then be the subject to a statue of honour in later times, althought
this one has been put to a cross or a death row.
You are somehow IMHO such an ongoing 'paradox' of intuition.
I continue to honour you with my 'rants' and unaproved-intuitions. Cuz, I care.
And I like to pull Santa's beard because only the fake ones will tear appart.
:)
My intuition......... You are 'grumpy', but I'm faster.. Fast enough to GRAB your
Santa's candy cane; Buddha's stick, and hit you twice on the head.. Knock Knock.
I'm not hurt.... It's just a cane; A stick.... It has no power over my intent,
nor my soul.. But it certainly can distract what you think you hold in your
right hand over the left hand. Can't you see more than two hands..
I give you back the stick; I hold all the cards now, and I spread the
White horses before you.
The unicorn is on its way.
>the problem basically being one of reason's inevitable attempts at
>ideas/constructions of what the spiritual should be 'like' according to its own
>criteria! only of course what it never stops to question is the fact that the
>unknown (the spiritual unknown as opposed to the as yet rationally undiscovered
>etc) is not 'like' anything it's already familiar with! (e.g. people are always
>asking: what's it like? what's it like? when they want/need to understand
>something new)
>
>the point being that the 'spiritual' unknown really IS the unknown in the sense
>that it's not LIKE anything we're already rationally familiar with! - the
>understanding being that one cannot just 'add' the truly spiritual/intuition to
>the lists of belongings of the rational mind, or ya just end up again and again
>with yet just another wacky religion and/or dumb/moronic cult!
>
LOVE man !!!!
LOVE is above intuition !
And in its steps there is no failure; Just postponing one life into another.
I'm not judging here, the whole as I already 'choked' upon it, from
another 'moronic' view/piece of the whole.
There is no wacky religions.. It's all honest, and mostly inspired until
it reaches a point where intolerence calls for an end to seeking commonalities;
As this choking bullet of yours almost did to my stomach.
But when religions rhymes with endoctrinations and narrowmindedness,
I have to agree. It's wacky and a step back from where it all began.
You, slider, are in advance to all that religious spirituality, somehow;
But that's possibly only heling you along the path of the others.
They cannot be denied, from all the good they have 'overachieved'
from their overly simplistic spiritual guidance. Each and every single
one good heart, found a bit of answers to the unknown that 'rings'
goodness into their heats,, And that heart means 'intuition' to them all.
So may GREAT Islamist people are already blamed for the terrorist
fools ongoing right now.. But there is endoctrination everywhere,
even in so called 'politics', and even science, as I notice medical
science can forfeit common sense of banning adjuvent in their seringes
from the power of higher 'medical authorities'.
The failure is natural. Not so much from taking an unknown to a
particular 'one sided/rational', but to deny alternatives and mostly
FREEDOM OF CHOICE, and beliefs.
Because it breeds on toxic grounds.. LOVE is not their intent, but
rational desire of power/fame/control/glory... And maybe something
I still cannot understand; And that is called Evil...
iow.. They are mislead, blind maybe, but not devoid of hope.
And that hope comes only from a stronger light coming upon,
all the pretentions of those abusing the power of rationals,
foaming at the prospect of just more disinformation and mediatic brainwashing.
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>are you getting the picture yet tempy?? :)
>
I'm tired now.. Honestly.. I cut it off here.
I guess; I felt already 'pissed' from wour introduction....
"now you probably think i am being horrible to you " -slider
I should have known better....
I guess, I needed just a bit more time to digest.
Thank you slider.... I look forward for our next outburst.
Or maybe there will be explosions in the skies 'sround my place' and maybe
around the world; Announcing that 'rescue operation', I so desire. :)
Meanwhile.......
PEACE !.....
I'm not Sartre, not Krishnamurti, Buddha... But I'm with you here and now !
Can that suffice for you... :D It will have to do; Until you do, and please,
please do, honestly come down...... Words are such a small thing overall;
Understanding is your property; Your treasure for as long as you desire to
hold on to it, before you throw it back on the path for the others to grab
and wonder...
I'm running now... Thanks in part to you.
Bye.
Akhet
slider wrote in message ...
>
>>
>> slider RIGHTEOUSLY insists again:
>>>
>>>Akhet fumes...
>>>
>>
>> You are in the strong habbit of assuming a lot about others, and even more
>> about what others might feel and think.. And that's currently one of your
>> biggest delusion and strong indicator that you are doing just the same about
>> yourself.
>
>### - (laughing) i assume nothing, and only react directly to what other people do
>and say in my interactions with them... iow i treat people as they 'reveal
>themselves to be' and never what i personally project upon them unless i'm
>deliberately probing beneath their surface act (i can also play at being the
>devil's advocate if needs be ;-)
(.....SNIP)
>
>take care...
>
Although I consider myself fully enlightnened tonight..
I'm cutting short; Noticing how much you are unable to see beyond
that devil's advocate fantasm of yours, and multiple delusions of righteousness.
Otherwise... Be Glad I used yourShit as a good fertilizer...
Anything further is going to fall straight in your own diapers.
And there is no clue, whatsoever from now on if you are worthy of anything,
but just be granted the nothingness you called for at first.
That's it... I'm done.
http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/l/lulu-on-the-bridge-script.html
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That's it. I have nothing more to say to you.
You won't be seeing me again.
And without me, you're lost.
May God have mercy on your soul.
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slider
Akhet smote :)
> That's it. I have nothing more to say to you.
> You won't be seeing me again.
> And without me, you're lost.
> May God have mercy on your soul.
### - and on yours :-)
slider
tempo wrote...
> I'm running now... Thanks in part to you.
> Bye.
### - fare well tempy, plus bon voyage on the oceans of life...
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"I wanted a perfect ending. Now I've learned, the hard way, that some poems don't
rhyme, and some stories don't have a clear beginning, middle, and end. Life is
about not knowing, having to change, taking the moment and making the best of it,
without knowing what's going to happen next. Delicious Ambiguity." - Gilda Radner
"To be yourself, in a world that tries, night and day, to make you just like
everybody else - is to fight the greatest battle there ever is to fight, and never
stop fighting..." - e.e. cummings
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious
stupidity." - Martin Luther King Jr
Akhet
It brought me back to everything I hold dear in my hear about you;
Nomatter how astute and sharp we have recently been to each and another.
I understand what you added along... I also often remind me of this one:
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions " -Old proverb
But should I ban my good intentions from that kind of generalisation ?..
Of course not.. But I take notice; I observe, and I took a lot of time to
weight the potentials. It also reminds me of this Devil thing, so called
a 'seducer'... Then if one comes in the form of a good person, obviously
seducing one; And add on top some well stated 'good intentions';...
Then from these old proverbs and Biblical lines; He just might be the
Devil himself ?... This is so pathetic !
It's like, when a certain degree of wisdom is achieved, the only 'sane'
thing is to get ugly (not-seductive) and shut-up, and do nothing maybe;
Just because it's just too good to be true for those just hoping just too much.
..
I know.. It's my bad again.. I just wrote about the Devil again..
Nowonder you recently said something about the 'Devil's advocate'...
My bad.. But you know it's part of the 'Christian' folklore...
While I still think it's 'pure nonsense', and some pretext to so much misery;
All about those fearing the unknown, in a form of the other; And most
of the cases, I see 'human failure to just 'Love and Forgive', in no specific order.
Then I recently said to you indirectly'.. May God have mercy on your soul.
..... Well.. I'm very unwise maybe, but I can just forgive you first, and then
try to forgive myself for just another mistake.. There is no rush for judgement.
If we're done.. Maybe we're done with one aspect of our mutual interactions;
The one that deals with mutual judgemental use of the Dharma's stick..
Tak tak tak.
I'm not turning my back on anyone, nor going alone on the oceans of Life.
They will have to GRAB me from above as I still hold on to you all.
Especially the 'grumpy' honest ones... But hey;
Ladies and children first... :D
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slider wrote in message ...
tempo wrote...
thang ornithorhynchus
wrote:
C'mon you two. Hey, what sort of engineer are you?
thang
slider
Akhet wrote...
### - smile, i wondered just how you'd proceed/cope with this little problem, and
you're not doing so bad really... you're good nature is still winning over your
bad tempers... ohhh by just about 51/49 hehe, so hang-on in there ok? :)
the truth being that there are some things that it's just not that easy to tell
people about, things that possibly clash very strongly with their own personal
likes and dislikes, which because of that they don't really want to hear/are not
open to hearing without a fight...
ego, of course, is always the culprit behind such emotional displays because ego
always powerfully defends its own foundations and any perceived threats made to
them... and so it quite naturally asserts/reasserts itself on a moment to moment
basis... even if it has to sometimes 'condemn people to hell' to do so? (grins
from slider :)
which, considering your current receptivity... brings us to another point... your
apparent messiah complex?
e.g.
"without me, you're lost.
May God have mercy on your soul." --temporal
i mean, if 'anything' is deserving of being introduced to the tak-tak stick, then
surely it must be something like this no? (really laughing :)
and no i'm not being unkind hehe + you can actually be thankful for my good humour
and patience... because it's just the all-forgiving loving 'intention' coupled
with the 'act' of condemning someone to hell... that i think speaks 'volumes'
about the road to hell being paved with good intentions etc, no? (made 'me' laugh
anyway, the perfect example:)
the problem with 'messiahs' (people who actually come to believe that they're god)
being that they can very quickly turn into the complete opposite when things don't
go their way? (azure for example did exactly that. and ended-up foaming at the
mouth! the poor bastard)
something which i think even gives us a clue as to the 'duel-nature' (the duality)
of such beliefs, thus proving their ultimate illusion? (meaning, human ideas and
concepts about what 'god' is, or is 'supposed' to be, are just that: only 'ideas'
and thus are far from the truth and reality )
we can discuss this further... if you wish... but i want to quickly move now to
another point you raised where you accuse me of kinda picking/focusing on 'you' -
which isn't actually the truth...
i.e. you only feel this to be the case because you are 'identifying' with the
points i raise/criticise instead of examining/discussing them from the pov of us
talking about a 3rd party subject... iow, you keep putting your 'self' in the
picture (and on the line) when we are only really discussing things in general
(just 2 friends having a chat about life, the universe, and everything etc etc)
btw, this is also what i was hinting at once before when i suggested that you
don't reason too well? :)
i.e. we were intellectually discussing quite common things (and knowledge) about
inner silence 'in principle' only... it is not a taboo subject for example... and
only 'ego' starts to make it personal? (this being something jeremy always got
into terrible trouble with too heh heh, and he used to wonder why i always laughed
so much? lol;)
and jeremy was smart! (had an IQ of 140, or so he claimed) but apparently not
smart enough to realise his own lack of objectivity in many things (yeah well ya
need an IQ of at least 150 for that haha, kidding? ;-)
anyway tempy... if you wish to end it here it's fine by me... or we can just
carry-on as though nothing happened and just be wiser for the
exchange/experience...i leave it up to you...
regards from slider :)
slider
thang wrote...
>>Akhet smote :)
>>
>>> That's it. I have nothing more to say to you.
>>> You won't be seeing me again.
>>> And without me, you're lost.
>>> May God have mercy on your soul.
>>
>>### - and on yours :-)
>>
>
> C'mon you two. Hey, what sort of engineer are you?
### - can't speak for tempy, but i've occasionally engineered the odd infinity
play ;-)
slider
thang wrote...
>>Akhet smote :)
>>
>>> That's it. I have nothing more to say to you.
>>> You won't be seeing me again.
>>> And without me, you're lost.
>>> May God have mercy on your soul.
>>
>>### - and on yours :-)
>>
>
> C'mon you two. Hey, what sort of engineer are you?
### - can't speak for tempy, but i've occasionally engineered the odd infinity
play ;-)
Akhet
thang ornithorhynchus wrote in message ...
thang
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Electrical + Burn-out.. That would explain already ;)
Akhet
slider wrote in message ...
which, considering your current receptivity... brings us to another point... your
apparent messiah complex?
e.g.
"without me, you're lost.
May God have mercy on your soul." --temporal
i mean, if 'anything' is deserving of being introduced to the tak-tak stick, then
surely it must be something like this no? (really laughing :)
----------
Just a correction here... That's not from me; I quoted something
from a movie.. There is a difference subtle, but It served to illustrate
the level of dead end this was going into.
And since you continue to go that way; I think it's just potential to
induce (more of the same) another lost cause.
But slider also added:
>anyway tempy... if you wish to end it here it's fine by me... or we can just
>carry-on as though nothing happened and just be wiser for the
>exchange/experience...i leave it up to you...
>
>regards from slider :)
>
My suggestion is and has been clearly said to insist more on discussing
the subject given, instead of considering the subject to be always
the author's problem, and tackle him with that stick.
Given new subjects, in the future;
I bet you'll have every opportunities to prove it was 'up to me'.
Meanwhile, have a great time ahead, you too.
slider
Akhet wrote...
> Is that 'crazy' to you slidy ?... Maybe you just really don't believe you have a
> future,as you told me already.. Maybe you are also not clear as who to 'follow';
> Buddha, Sartre, Krishnamurti ...Take your time, patience, and learn who you are
> through all these experiences.. Then once you do; You might learn
> for yourself what it is to experience 'getting real'. It's not a rational thing
> you can grasp, at your current level;
### - hehe it's not that i don't have a future... rather, it's that i totally
realise that there's actually no such thing AS 'the future' beyond the mere
conception/projected idea of it... iow what we're in-reality dealing with here is
an ever-present Now... yesterday no longer exists beyond the memory of it, and
tomorrow (the future) has yet to actually exist beyond the idea in our head of
there being such a thing...
to illustrate... because of this we have clocks that purport to tell us the time
which everyone then relates to, but all that's really happening is that a
mechanical device is going around and around on the wall while the 'actual' time
(when ever you ask it + regardless of whatever the clock is saying) is only
always 'Now'
people may relate to there being a past and/or a future (because that's the we
were brought up) but they don't actually exist (and never will) in the same way
that the Now exists... so whenever someone asks you the time, the only
genuine/truthful answer one can ever really give without being patronising, is to
tell them that it's... Now :)
so in that sense and context 'getting real' thus means to 'realise' the
above, and then to deliberately/consciously attempt to live (and perceive)
entirely 'in the moment', which after all, IS the only thing that ever actually
really exists... doing this rather than relating to (and mentally projecting into)
things (dreams/illusions) that don't actually have any kind of real
existence beyond the mere concept and idea of them...
2 realities see? - human reality... and actual reality... but we were never
introduced to the latter in school...
"we paved paradise and put up a parking lot" --Joni Mitchell
"don't follow leaders or walk near parking meters" --bob dylan :)
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"Life goes on much the same. In the face of terrifying dangers and
golden political opportunities, people just keep-on keeping-on in a
sort of twilight sleep in which they're conscious of nothing but the
daily-round of work, family life, darts at the pub, exercising the
dog, bringing home the supper, beer, etc, etc." --
(George Orwell - observing 1940's London during the blitz)