Magico Realism
Leo Smith
A Magico Realist.
Can someone out there tel;m what They understand that to mean?
Gentry Hive
Leo Smith wrote:
Magical Realism: a weaving of dreams, ideas, experiences,
imagination/intuition and/or seeing
See ya ...
Leo Smith
Gentry Hive wrote:
Ah. Then we are all Magico Realists, even when we think we aren't :-)
>
> See ya ...
Eastland Kerry
"Magical Realism: a weaving of dreams, ideas, experiences,
Salman Rushdie is an excellent example of someone who writes in the genre of
magical realism. The novel, Like Water for Chocolate, is also a good example,
and to a certain extent, some of Stephen King's work as well. Outrageous,
impossible shit happens that is portrayed in such a way as to be very
realistic. In a way, all fantasy and science fiction aspires to magical
realism. And if Carlos had admitted to what his work really was, he would
probably be right up there with Rushdie as one of the greats of the genre.
Randy
Leo Smith
Eastland Kerry wrote:
But would he have as many people trying to be sorcerors tho...
Cue for another poem - or a stanza thereof..
"The crux of the matter is motivation
both of the wherefore and why
And sometimes the way of the Answer
Will seem like a goddam lie"
>
Eastland Kerry
". . . if Carlos had admitted to what his work really was, he would probably be
right up there with Rushdie as one of the greats of the genre."
Leo:
"But would he have as many people trying to be sorcerors tho..."
Randy:
Good question. Probably not. But people trying to become 'sorcerers' based on
a mix of fact, fiction and outright fantasy is not necessarily an optimal
situation, either, is it? Some of the stories of those closest to Carlos are
cautionary tales at the very least.
Leo:
"Cue for another poem - or a stanza thereof.."
"The crux of the matter is motivation
both of the wherefore and why
And sometimes the way of the Answer
Will seem like a goddam lie"
Randy:
Did you write this? It's true enough, but also vague enough to use as an
excuse for justifying just about anything. I think more precision is needed,
otherwise any hope of intersubjectivity is just a joke.
Randy
Leo Smith
Eastland Kerry wrote:
> Randy:
> ". . . if Carlos had admitted to what his work really was, he would probably be
> right up there with Rushdie as one of the greats of the genre."
>
> Leo:
> "But would he have as many people trying to be sorcerors tho..."
>
> Randy:
> Good question. Probably not. But people trying to become 'sorcerers' based on
> a mix of fact, fiction and outright fantasy is not necessarily an optimal
> situation, either, is it? Some of the stories of those closest to Carlos are
> cautionary tales at the very least.
>
'not necessarily an optimal solution' Eh?
What, in your opinion, is? If I may make so bold.
Genuine interest in answer....
>
> Leo:
> "Cue for another poem - or a stanza thereof.."
>
> "The crux of the matter is motivation
> both of the wherefore and why
> And sometimes the way of the Answer
> Will seem like a goddam lie"
>
> Randy:
> Did you write this? It's true enough, but also vague enough to use as an
> excuse for justifying just about anything. I think more precision is needed,
> otherwise any hope of intersubjectivity is just a joke.
>
I used to write poetry as trip-notes. Sort of Aide-memoire so if I ever wanted to
remember how I felt at a particlar time, I could summon up a pale ghost of a memory
:-)
I think that was an answer that I got on pondering on why people do what they do,
and how to get to understand it. Or see it.
>
> Randy
Eastland Kerry
". . . people trying to become 'sorcerers' based on a mix of fact, fiction and
outright fantasy is not necessarily an optimal situation, either, is it? Some
of the stories of those closest to Carlos are cautionary tales at the very
least."
Leo:
"'not necessarily an optimal solution' Eh? What, in your opinion, is? If I may
make so bold. Genuine interest in answer...."
Randy:
I said situation, not solution. Simple honesty would be nice. I mean after
all, trickery is only so useful. Why not just spit it out as one sees it and
take it from there? I've never felt this 'stalking' crap was all that useful
when it comes to the exchange of vital information. What good is it to not
know if someone is or isn't talking about their actual experience? Carlos made
shit up and passed it off as real life 'reporting' in an ethnomethodalogical
scam that was thoroughly debunked back in the mid-70s and early 80s. That
we're still talking about it is his one truly amazing accomplishment. It was a
great story, but in the end I prefer simple honesty over the subterfuge of an
admitted bullshitter who had his own self-aggrandizing agenda. It's funny that
his own promotion of a certain kind of scientific method was the same approach,
taken to heart by others, that was his ultimate undoing. Lie and falsify data
in the scientific community and you're toast, do so in the public areana and
you've got at least a 50/50 chance of getting away with it because people are
so fucking gullible (myself included, of course :-) and want more than anything
to BELIEVE.
As Frank Herbert once said, belief is far stronger than fact, and we are more
than capable of making it so in our own minds and perceptual descriptions.
That's what was so seductive about Castaneda's stuff . . . there was just
enough there, just enough that could be taken in a certain way, to make it all
true.
Leo:
"I used to write poetry as trip-notes. Sort of Aide-memoire so if I ever wanted
to remember how I felt at a particlar time, I could summon up a pale ghost of a
memory :-) I think that was an answer that I got on pondering on why people do
what they do, and how to get to understand it. Or see it."
I can dig it, poetry was like that for me, too, still is. 'Trip-notes' is a
good way of putting it. Space/time triggers!
:-)
GreenDusk
>A Magico Realist.
I don't know who Gentry is, or what s/he meant, and I don't have
a label for Castaneda, but tonight, personally, it strikes me that
a magico realist is a fair description of a living person who knows
that they are alive. And there are not that many people who do
know that.
gd