Why we enjoy telling people off
rbb
according to scientists.
Researchers from the University of Zurich in Switzerland tested seven pairs
of men as they played a game.
The game involved money changing hands. If one player failed to play fairly,
he tended to be punished by the other.
Writing in Science, the researchers said telling someone off activated a
part of the brain which is linked to enjoyment and satisfaction.
The researchers said it might explain why many people choose to reprimand
others if they break the rules or abuse their trust.
Game playing
The men playing the game were unable to see each other. They were each given
10 units of money and told they could increase their winnings if they
trusted each other.
The first player was given the option of keeping all his money or giving it
to his opponent.
If he kept his money, he did not make anything extra. But if he gave it all
to his opponent, the opponent's winnings would quadruple.
The second player would then be asked whether he wanted to keep the money or
share it with his opponent.
If he failed to share it, the first player would be asked whether or not his
opponent should be punished. They were given one minute to make their
decision.
In six out of the seven cases, they chose to reprimand them. During the time
it took them to make their decision, scientists monitored their brain.
They found that deciding to impose a penalty activated the dorsal striatum
region of the brain. This region is known to be involved in feelings of
enjoyment and satisfaction.
"The same area that is activated when people punish is also activated if
somebody who is in love sees a picture of their loved one, for example,"
explained co-author Dr Ernst Fehr.
"It suggests that there is a satisfaction associated with punishing norm
violations - they have been cheated, they feel bad in that situation
probably - and now by punishing, they feel less bad," he told the BBC.
However, Dr Mike Isaac, a consultant psychiatrist and senior lecturer at the
Maudsley Hospital in London, UK, said the jury was still out.
"Psychologically this makes sense," he told BBC News Online. "We do like to
tell each other off. It gives us a pleasing sense of superiority.
"But to say that this can be traced to a particular part of the brain is
wrong. We simply cannot say that looking at images of the brain."
Pontifex Maximus
> People genuinely enjoy telling others off if they have
> done something wrong, according to scientists.
University of Zurich, dorsal striatum region of the brain
http://www.unipublic.unizh.ch/magazin/wirtschaft/2004/1350/
"They found that deciding to impose a penalty
activated the dorsal striatum region of the
brain. This region is known to be involved in
feelings of enjoyment and satisfaction."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3601134.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3601134.stm
University of Zurich, dorsal striatum region of the brain
http://www.unipublic.unizh.ch/magazin/wirtschaft/2004/1350/
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"Every time a major impact occurs on Europa, a vast quantity
of water is splashed from the ocean into the space around
Jupiter. Some of the water evaporates, and some condenses
into snow. Creatures living in the water far enough from the
impact have a chance of being splashed into space and quickly
freeze-dried. Therefore, an easy way to look for evidence of
life in Europa's ocean is to look for freeze-dried fish in
the ring of space debris orbiting Jupiter.
Sending a spacecraft to visit and survey Jupiter's ring would
be far less expensive than sending a submarine to visit and
survey Europa's ocean. Even if we did not find freeze-dried
fish in Jupiter's ring, we might find other surprises-
freeze-dried seaweed, or a freeze-dried sea monster."
The Wonderfully Imaginative World of Freeman Dyson
-- From "The Atlantic Monthly," November 1997.
I C R A International Center for Relativistic Astrophysics
http://www.icra.it/IRAPPhD/
The 1st Italian-Sino Workshop and the XIV ICRANet Workshop on
Cosmology and Relativistic Astrophysics, Rome-Pescara, Italy
http://www.icra.it/
God wanted me to post this
wrote:
>"rbb" <r...@sjaman.com_nospam> wrote in message news:<tYTXc.6834$vH5.5408@amstwist00>...
>> People genuinely enjoy telling others off if they have
>> done something wrong, according to scientists.
Yeah, but who is going to tell off the stupid scientists for not being
strong enough to overcome the stupidity caused by extinction and the
increasingly genetically defective males?
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"Who does Not Know the Truth, is simply a Fool...
Yet who Knows the Truth and Calls it a Lie, is a Criminal."
- In "Galileo Galilei" by Berthold Brecht (1898-1956)
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God wanted me to post this wrote
"Who does Not Know the Truth, is simply a Fool...
Yet who Knows the Truth and Calls it a Lie, is a Criminal."
- In "Galileo Galilei" by Berthold Brecht (1898-1956)
### - certainly 'sounds' like something Galileo might have said considering
what he must have went through :)
excellent quote :)
God wanted me to post this
What happened to males over the decades is genetic defects, they're not
nearly as intelligent as they once were.
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"Who does Not Know the Truth, is simply a Fool...
Yet who Knows the Truth and Calls it a Lie, is a Criminal."
- In "Galileo Galilei" by Berthold Brecht (1898-1956)
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Jeremy Donovan
>On 28 Aug 2004 14:52:51 -0700, maxpo...@yahoo.it (Pontifex Maximus)
>wrote:
>
>>"rbb" <r...@sjaman.com_nospam> wrote in message news:<tYTXc.6834$vH5.5408@amstwist00>...
>>> People genuinely enjoy telling others off if they have
>>> done something wrong, according to scientists.
>
>Yeah, but who is going to tell off the stupid scientists for not being
>strong enough to overcome the stupidity caused by extinction and the
>increasingly genetically defective males?
What a stupid remark. I'd complain to God about the quality if I
were you.
-J.
Garry Bryan
Garry
"Pontifex Maximus" <maxpo...@yahoo.it> wrote in message
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God wanted me to post this
What do you expect -- God is going to save all of these privileged
characters on earth called humans? Or just let them all die?
Answer: Let them all die.
God wanted me to post this
wrote:
>> > They found that deciding to impose a penalty activated the
>> > dorsal striatum region of the brain. This region is known
>> > to be involved in feelings of enjoyment and satisfaction.
>> > "The same area that is activated when people punish is
>> > also activated if somebody who is in love sees a picture
>> > of their loved one, for example," explained co-author
>> > Dr Ernst Fehr.
Thar ya go. The explanation why men like to kill that which they love.
God wanted me to post this
wrote:
> "We do like to tell each other off. It gives us
>> > a pleasing sense of superiority.
That's really interesting, because telling someone off DOES NOT make me feel
superior.
God wanted me to post this
>> > They found that deciding to impose a penalty activated the
>> > dorsal striatum region of the brain. This region is known
>> > to be involved in feelings of enjoyment and satisfaction.
>> > "The same area that is activated when people punish is
>> > also activated if somebody who is in love sees a picture
>> > of their loved one, for example," explained co-author
>> > Dr Ernst Fehr.
Thar ya go. The explanation why men feel twice as much pleasure and
satisfaction in killing that which they love.
I rest my case,
We're doomed.
Jeremy Donovan
God wanted me to post this <g...@god.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 17:11:01 -0700, "Garry Bryan" <garr...@pacbell.net>
>wrote:
>
>>> > They found that deciding to impose a penalty activated the
>>> > dorsal striatum region of the brain. This region is known
>>> > to be involved in feelings of enjoyment and satisfaction.
>>> > "The same area that is activated when people punish is
>>> > also activated if somebody who is in love sees a picture
>>> > of their loved one, for example," explained co-author
>>> > Dr Ernst Fehr.
>
>Thar ya go. The explanation why men like to kill that which they love.
God has you jumping to wrong conclusions again. Are you absolutely
sure it's ... God?
-J.
Jeremy Donovan
God wanted me to post this <g...@god.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 17:11:01 -0700, "Garry Bryan" <garr...@pacbell.net>
>wrote:
>
>> "We do like to tell each other off. It gives us
>>> > a pleasing sense of superiority.
>
>That's really interesting, because telling someone off DOES NOT make me feel
>superior.
Probably not even God could do that. Since ... you're clearly not.
:-)
-J.
Jeremy Donovan
God wanted me to post this <g...@god.com> wrote:
>>> > They found that deciding to impose a penalty activated the
>>> > dorsal striatum region of the brain. This region is known
>>> > to be involved in feelings of enjoyment and satisfaction.
>>> > "The same area that is activated when people punish is
>>> > also activated if somebody who is in love sees a picture
>>> > of their loved one, for example," explained co-author
>>> > Dr Ernst Fehr.
>
>Thar ya go. The explanation why men feel twice as much pleasure and
>satisfaction in killing that which they love.
>
>I rest my case,
>
>We're doomed.
The only thing worse than a troll is a boring troll. I rest my case.
Say hi to God.
-J.
God wanted me to post this
<jeremy...@earthlinkspammers.net> wrote:
>God has you jumping to wrong conclusions again. Are you absolutely
>sure it's ... God?
God is a metaphor for the mechanism by which the universe was and is
constantly created -- ourselves included -- and that in actuality IS the
science of how it all works.
Ignorance of 'God' and believing one is exempt from 'how it all works' is
the height of non-intelligence in a so-called sentient species who ignores
the answers in lieu of ego, importance and all of the other things which
make each of believe we have the power to control the Universe and make it
behave differently than it does. Human beings just don't have that power.
God wanted me to post this
None of us are God, even god isn't god. God is just the science of how the
universe continually creates itself.
Too bad human beings never learned how to do that, or they would have not
set the sequence of their self-extinction in motion.
God wanted me to post this
Not a troll. There's no way to survive as human beings on earth.
> I rest my case.
Yeah, you sure did, sonny.
>Say hi to God.
God can't hear you. Or me. We can only hear each other.
Jeremy Donovan
God wanted me to post this <g...@god.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 02:21:34 GMT, Jeremy Donovan
><jeremy...@earthlinkspammers.net> wrote:
>
>>God has you jumping to wrong conclusions again. Are you absolutely
>>sure it's ... God?
>
>God is a metaphor for the mechanism by which the universe was and is
>constantly created -- ourselves included -- and that in actuality IS the
>science of how it all works.
A metaphor wanted you to troll unrelated newsgroups with all this
tripe? Are you sure? Are you sure you're just not fucked up like all
the others who do it? :-)
an0...@hotmail.com
<g...@god.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 02:23:49 GMT, Jeremy Donovan
><jeremy...@earthlinkspammers.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>God wanted me to post this <g...@god.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> > They found that deciding to impose a penalty activated the
>>>>> > dorsal striatum region of the brain. This region is known
>>>>> > to be involved in feelings of enjoyment and satisfaction.
>>>>> > "The same area that is activated when people punish is
>>>>> > also activated if somebody who is in love sees a picture
>>>>> > of their loved one, for example," explained co-author
>>>>> > Dr Ernst Fehr.
>>>
>>>Thar ya go. The explanation why men feel twice as much pleasure and
>>>satisfaction in killing that which they love.
>>>
>>>I rest my case,
>>>
>>>We're doomed.
>>
>>The only thing worse than a troll is a boring troll.
>
>Not a troll. There's no way to survive as human beings on earth.
Theh I suggest you prove your "theory" by killing yourself.
Jeremy Donovan
God wanted me to post this <g...@god.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 02:22:32 GMT, Jeremy Donovan
><jeremy...@earthlinkspammers.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> God wanted me to post this <g...@god.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 17:11:01 -0700, "Garry Bryan" <garr...@pacbell.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>> "We do like to tell each other off. It gives us
>>>>> > a pleasing sense of superiority.
>>>
>>>That's really interesting, because telling someone off DOES NOT make me feel
>>>superior.
>>
>>Probably not even God could do that. Since ... you're clearly not.
>>:-)
>
>None of us are God, even god isn't god. God is just the science of how the
>universe continually creates itself.
The science of how the universe continually creates itself asked you
to make an idiot of yourself on Usenet? C'mon now... :-)
Jeremy Donovan
God wanted me to post this <g...@god.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 02:23:49 GMT, Jeremy Donovan
><jeremy...@earthlinkspammers.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>God wanted me to post this <g...@god.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> > They found that deciding to impose a penalty activated the
>>>>> > dorsal striatum region of the brain. This region is known
>>>>> > to be involved in feelings of enjoyment and satisfaction.
>>>>> > "The same area that is activated when people punish is
>>>>> > also activated if somebody who is in love sees a picture
>>>>> > of their loved one, for example," explained co-author
>>>>> > Dr Ernst Fehr.
>>>
>>>Thar ya go. The explanation why men feel twice as much pleasure and
>>>satisfaction in killing that which they love.
>>>
>>>I rest my case,
>>>
>>>We're doomed.
>>
>>The only thing worse than a troll is a boring troll.
>
>Not a troll. There's no way to survive as human beings on earth.
>
>> I rest my case.
>
>Yeah, you sure did, sonny.
>
>>Say hi to God.
>
>God can't hear you. Or me. We can only hear each other.
All you are really saying is that YOU are doomed.
(and I already knew that...)
-J
Aratzio
<jeremy...@earthlinkspammers.net> got double secret probation
because:
>
>God wanted me to post this <g...@god.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 02:21:34 GMT, Jeremy Donovan
>><jeremy...@earthlinkspammers.net> wrote:
>>
>>>God has you jumping to wrong conclusions again. Are you absolutely
>>>sure it's ... God?
>>
>>God is a metaphor for the mechanism by which the universe was and is
>>constantly created -- ourselves included -- and that in actuality IS the
>>science of how it all works.
>
>A metaphor wanted you to troll unrelated newsgroups with all this
>tripe? Are you sure? Are you sure you're just not fucked up like all
>the others who do it? :-)
>
No, Alexa is MUCH more fucked up than the *others who do it*.
God wanted me to post this
I am, so are you. We're all dying, going extinct.
So what?
Aratzio
<g...@god.com> got double secret probation because:
>On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 21:45:02 -0500, an0...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 02:30:36 GMT, God wanted me to post this
>><g...@god.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 02:23:49 GMT, Jeremy Donovan
>>><jeremy...@earthlinkspammers.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>God wanted me to post this <g...@god.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> > They found that deciding to impose a penalty activated the
>>>>>>> > dorsal striatum region of the brain. This region is known
>>>>>>> > to be involved in feelings of enjoyment and satisfaction.
>>>>>>> > "The same area that is activated when people punish is
>>>>>>> > also activated if somebody who is in love sees a picture
>>>>>>> > of their loved one, for example," explained co-author
>>>>>>> > Dr Ernst Fehr.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thar ya go. The explanation why men feel twice as much pleasure and
>>>>>satisfaction in killing that which they love.
>>>>>
>>>>>I rest my case,
>>>>>
>>>>>We're doomed.
>>>>
>>>>The only thing worse than a troll is a boring troll.
>>>
>>>Not a troll. There's no way to survive as human beings on earth.
>>
>>Theh I suggest you prove your "theory" by killing yourself.
>
>I am, so are you. We're all dying, going extinct.
>
>So what?
DUH, that was one of your stupiest posts yet Alexa. Of course we are
all dying, you ignorant twit, you are dying at conception.
God wanted me to post this
<jeremy...@earthlinkspammers.net> wrote:
If I'm doomed, you are as well.
There's no way for anyone to separate themselves from human extinction.
And the aliens will see to it that no defective human DNA escapes the planet
-- which means human beings will never colonize Mars or any where else.
That's only common sense -- the Ets they can't have human beings in space
doing on other planets what they've done here on earth and even when knowing
they're killing everything they never learned not to or how to survive.
Human beings are exttremely destructive, violent and dangerous to themselves
as well as other life in the universe.
God wanted me to post this
<jeremy...@earthlinkspammers.net> wrote:
[...]
>The science of how the universe continually creates itself asked you
>to make an idiot of yourself on Usenet? C'mon now... :-)
Even the most brilliant of human beings are still idiots because none of us
ever figured out how to survive and God will recycle us and perhaps our
elements will become incorporated into another more intelligent species
someday, or maybe stars or other non-sentient things. After all, we are all
star dust! :)
God wanted me to post this
<jeremy...@earthlinkspammers.net> wrote:
>A metaphor wanted you to troll unrelated newsgroups with all this
>tripe? Are you sure? Are you sure you're just not fucked up like all
>the others who do it? :-)
Heh, all of us are fucked up now.
So why not post to usenet?
God wanted me to post this
<jeremy...@earthlinkspammers.net> wrote:
>The science of how the universe continually creates itself asked you
>to make an idiot of yourself on Usenet? C'mon now... :-)
You know the only embarrassment I have is knowing the most of the people
I've encountered on Usenet (aav) are some of the most degenerate and morally
and spiritually bankrupt people on earth. Truly they are not good company
to spend one's last days with. Knowing we've got little time left, it would
be better spend with good and honest people.
That's not saying much for my fellow human beings, but it's true. And of
that I'm quite ashamed.
It's tough knowing that all of the people who I was taught to respect for
their authority and knowledge, are in fact just cheats and liars and have no
clue what they're doing.
So, yeah, I'm embarrassed by the company I keep. I'm also embarrassed by
the US government, the president and most world leaders. But most of all,
I'm embarrassed to be an American. And if I didn't have people I loved in
the USA, I'd feel much better not spending my last days in the USA.
Eldon Leighton Donovan
"God wanted me to post this"
> and spiritually bankrupt people on earth.
You just like saying that...
You like the way it sounds
You don't even know what it means...
It's been said so many times, it's just a cliche' now.
I think it'd be really great is you could just enjoy everyone for who they
are instead of demanding they be what you want them to to be or even worse,
not just appreciating every person for who they are.
one other point is that it'd also be realy nice if you could have an
original thought instead of gathering up a bunch of ideas and phrases you've
heard other people say then spewing them back out as if you're saying
something new...LOL! Everything you say is completely meaningless. You're
just floundering around for the next catchallphrase you can throw in to make
yourself sound superior to others.
but you're not superior. So stop putting others down to make yourself feel
superior. You know it doesn't do anyone anygood... why do you keep on doing
it?
Just chill out, dude.
don't take yourself so seriously.
haha!
Eldon Leighton Donovan
God wanted me to post this
You don't get it, do you. What you say doesn't make me embarrassed, but
makes me embarrassed FOR you because you're so stupid.
God wanted me to post this
<El...@SpamSucks.com> wrote:
You could also take your own advice, but that would be accepting
responsibility for your words and actions, wouldn't it??
>
>haha!
>Eldon Leighton Donovan
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God wanted me wrote...
It's tough knowing that all of the people who I was taught to respect for
their authority and knowledge, are in fact just cheats and liars and have no
clue what they're doing.
So, yeah, I'm embarrassed by the company I keep. I'm also embarrassed by
the US government, the president and most world leaders. But most of all,
I'm embarrassed to be an American. And if I didn't have people I loved in
the USA, I'd feel much better not spending my last days in the USA.
### - nothing wrong with the American people themselves... it's what America
as an international body has come to represent in terms of its foreign policy that's
causing all the grief (& the resulting anger) in the world - i.e. i think it's important
to distinguish between the American people themselves and their current leaders
foreign policies...
jazz & blues came out of America for example :)
personally i think America squandered a perfect opportunity to really become
the world-leaders they aspire to being if only they could have done something
'magnanimous' after 9/11 instead of creating world war 3 for the world community
- e.g. immediately after 9/11 America had the sympathy + support of the whole
world behind them and if they'd only made a move towards world peace instead
of world war by say giving up their 'own' nuclear arsenals instead of demanding
that everyone else gives up theirs; - 'activating' + 'supporting' the UN by say
relinquishing the right of veto (for all countries) thus making majority-rule the real
thing in the world for once instead of publicly 'dissing' the UN and/or openly
using it for their own, perhaps later-to-be-questioned purposes ; - move the UN
to a 'neutral' country and let the 'world' decide, on-balance, just how to deal with
the current troubles + any other global unfairnesses in just such a way that 'less'
people have to die & not more of them...
and i reckon pretty much everyone else would have gone along with it and a new era
of co-operation & survival might have dawned for mankind with America at the forefront!
as it is... it looks like we're just having a re-enactment of pearl harbour (and we
all know how 'that' ended don't we... KA-BOOOOM :)
"You may say i'm a dreamer,
But i'm not the only one" --(jonny lennon:)
"Life goes on much the same. In the face of terrifying dangers and
golden political opportunities, people just keep-on keeping-on in a
sort of twilight sleep in which they're conscious of nothing but the
daily-round of work, family life, darts at the pub, exercising the
dog, bringing home the supper, beer, etc, etc." --
(George Orwell - 1940's London during the blitz)
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God wanted me to post this wrote
>"Who does Not Know the Truth, is simply a Fool...
>Yet who Knows the Truth and Calls it a Lie, is a Criminal."
>- In "Galileo Galilei" by Berthold Brecht (1898-1956)
>
>### - certainly 'sounds' like something Galileo might have said considering
>what he must have went through :)
>
>excellent quote :)
>
What happened to males over the decades is genetic defects, they're not
nearly as intelligent as they once were.
### - oh i dunno... even after generations of just playing with their fingers
humans are still pretty intelligent, even in their sleep :)
now if they could do all that while they were asleep, what might they do if they
were awake :)
Morton Davis
"Leo" <l...@rainbow.net> wrote in message
news:HofYc.246829$M95.184232@pd7tw1no...> ,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>We're doomed.
> > >>>
>
>
What part of non-binaries group did you not understand?
-*MORT*-
an0...@hotmail.com
<g...@god.com> wrote:
><>
Do you have many voices in yer head?
Aratzio
You are asking that of the "Woman of a Thousand Voices"
AKA
Alexa Cameron and 300 or so friends and family she calls socks.
HTH
'Ratz
Eldon Leighton Donovan
"God wanted me to post this"
> makes me embarrassed FOR you because you're so stupid.
Boy, you really told me off....
hahaha!
Eldon
P.S. did you enjoy it?
Cole Firearms Inc.
> "God wanted me to post this"
>
>>You don't get it, do you. What you say doesn't make me embarrassed, but
>>makes me embarrassed FOR you because you're so stupid.
>
>
>
>
> Boy, you really told me off....
Did you almost fall off your chair laughing at him?
--
""Sic Semper Tyrannis" - Thus Always with Tyrants - John Wilkes Booth"
"Per ardua nec flectitur nec mutat. Confido,
est voluntas dei, invictus maneo. Addere leci justitiam
deo certavi et vici." - Rev. Shawn Cole, Cole Firearms Inc.
God wanted me to post this
>
>God wanted me wrote...
>
>It's tough knowing that all of the people who I was taught to respect for
>their authority and knowledge, are in fact just cheats and liars and have no
>clue what they're doing.
>
>So, yeah, I'm embarrassed by the company I keep. I'm also embarrassed by
>the US government, the president and most world leaders. But most of all,
>I'm embarrassed to be an American. And if I didn't have people I loved in
>the USA, I'd feel much better not spending my last days in the USA.
>
>### - nothing wrong with the American people themselves... it's what America
>as an international body has come to represent in terms of its foreign policy that's
>causing all the grief (& the resulting anger) in the world - i.e. i think it's important
>to distinguish between the American people themselves and their current leaders
>foreign policies...
The body of American people have been kept in the dark and fed bullshit so
long by domestic and foreign corporations pulling the strings within their
government that the people are not aware their government is beyond
redemption and so corrupt that constitution has been subverted. It's far
worse than just inept American 'foreign policy'. The only foreign policy
that the US government has is one dictated and decided upon by corporations
who all get their lead from the European banking system who is managing for
the most part the illegal laundering of drug money. The ENTIRE world
banking system is corrupt. And the money moguls are in control of things
and manipulate governments< especially the US government which is their
private army' like they were pieces on a monopoly board.
>jazz & blues came out of America for example :)
>
>personally i think America squandered a perfect opportunity to really become
>the world-leaders they aspire to being if only they could have done something
>'magnanimous' after 9/11 instead of creating world war 3 for the world community
>- e.g. immediately after 9/11 America had the sympathy + support of the whole
>world behind them and if they'd only made a move towards world peace instead
>of world war by say giving up their 'own' nuclear arsenals instead of demanding
>that everyone else gives up theirs; - 'activating' + 'supporting' the UN by say
>relinquishing the right of veto (for all countries) thus making majority-rule the real
>thing in the world for once instead of publicly 'dissing' the UN and/or openly
>using it for their own, perhaps later-to-be-questioned purposes ; - move the UN
>to a 'neutral' country and let the 'world' decide, on-balance, just how to deal with
>the current troubles + any other global unfairnesses in just such a way that 'less'
>people have to die & not more of them...
>
>and i reckon pretty much everyone else would have gone along with it and a new era
>of co-operation & survival might have dawned for mankind with America at the forefront!
>
>as it is... it looks like we're just having a re-enactment of pearl harbour (and we
>all know how 'that' ended don't we... KA-BOOOOM :)
I'd make the big Kaboom in the Netherlands.
>"You may say i'm a dreamer,
>But i'm not the only one" --(jonny lennon:)
>
>
>"Life goes on much the same. In the face of terrifying dangers and
>golden political opportunities, people just keep-on keeping-on in a
>sort of twilight sleep in which they're conscious of nothing but the
>daily-round of work, family life, darts at the pub, exercising the
>dog, bringing home the supper, beer, etc, etc." --
>(George Orwell - 1940's London during the blitz)
Life will not continue of earth, extinction takes no prisoners.
Leo
"Morton Davis" <anti...@go.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> >
> >
> What part of non-binaries group did you not understand?
>
> -*MORT*-
Uhhmmm........... all of it I guess. Would you be so kind as to explain it?
TIA - Leo
God wanted me to post this
>
>God wanted me wrote...
>
>It's tough knowing that all of the people who I was taught to respect for
>their authority and knowledge, are in fact just cheats and liars and have no
>clue what they're doing.
>
>So, yeah, I'm embarrassed by the company I keep. I'm also embarrassed by
>the US government, the president and most world leaders. But most of all,
>I'm embarrassed to be an American. And if I didn't have people I loved in
>the USA, I'd feel much better not spending my last days in the USA.
>
>### - nothing wrong with the American people themselves... it's what America
>as an international body has come to represent in terms of its foreign policy that's
>causing all the grief (& the resulting anger) in the world - i.e. i think it's important
>to distinguish between the American people themselves and their current leaders
>foreign policies...
The body of American people have been kept in the dark and fed bullshit so
long by domestic and foreign corporations pulling the strings within their
government that the people are not aware their government is beyond
redemption and so corrupt that constitution has been subverted. It's far
worse than just inept American 'foreign policy'. The only foreign policy
that the US government has is one dictated and decided upon by corporations
who all get their lead from the European banking system who is managing for
the most part the illegal laundering of drug money. The ENTIRE world
banking system is corrupt. And the money moguls are in control of things
and manipulate governments (especially the US government which is their
private army) like they were pieces on a monopoly board.
>jazz & blues came out of America for example :)
>
>personally i think America squandered a perfect opportunity to really become
>the world-leaders they aspire to being if only they could have done something
>'magnanimous' after 9/11 instead of creating world war 3 for the world community
>- e.g. immediately after 9/11 America had the sympathy + support of the whole
>world behind them and if they'd only made a move towards world peace instead
>of world war by say giving up their 'own' nuclear arsenals instead of demanding
>that everyone else gives up theirs; - 'activating' + 'supporting' the UN by say
>relinquishing the right of veto (for all countries) thus making majority-rule the real
>thing in the world for once instead of publicly 'dissing' the UN and/or openly
>using it for their own, perhaps later-to-be-questioned purposes ; - move the UN
>to a 'neutral' country and let the 'world' decide, on-balance, just how to deal with
>the current troubles + any other global unfairnesses in just such a way that 'less'
>people have to die & not more of them...
>
>and i reckon pretty much everyone else would have gone along with it and a new era
>of co-operation & survival might have dawned for mankind with America at the forefront!
>
>as it is... it looks like we're just having a re-enactment of pearl harbour (and we
>all know how 'that' ended don't we... KA-BOOOOM :)
I'd make the big Kaboom in the Netherlands.
>"You may say i'm a dreamer,
>But i'm not the only one" --(jonny lennon:)
>
>
>"Life goes on much the same. In the face of terrifying dangers and
>golden political opportunities, people just keep-on keeping-on in a
>sort of twilight sleep in which they're conscious of nothing but the
>daily-round of work, family life, darts at the pub, exercising the
>dog, bringing home the supper, beer, etc, etc." --
>(George Orwell - 1940's London during the blitz)
Life will not continue of earth, extinction takes no prisoners.
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God wanted me to post this
<colefir...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>Eldon Leighton Donovan wrote:
>
>> "God wanted me to post this"
>>
>>>You don't get it, do you. What you say doesn't make me embarrassed, but
>>>makes me embarrassed FOR you because you're so stupid.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Boy, you really told me off....
>
>Did you almost fall off your chair laughing at him?
You should have heard me laughing last night, I laughed so hard I had tears
streaming down my face.
I kept getting the visuals of Katzinjammer Kids, or Spanky and Our Gang,
working on the ET saucer at Groom repeating the mantra:
"NO, We CAN'T TELL THEM ***THAT***"
"We Must Go To Our Graves Keeping the SEEKRIT!"
"National Security is at STAKE!"
<don't even get me started, I don't have enough Kleenex to mop up the tears
of laughter>
God wanted me to post this
Human intelligence quotient remains, for the most part, the same as it was
10,000 years ago. There's no way to increase intelligence with our small
brains. The factors influencing human intelligence (esp males) is the
breakdown of genetic factors which control complex systems (which we do not
understand) which cause erratic behavior in males.
So technically, human males are becoming increasingly erratic and their
intelligence can not stop their behavior.
------------------------------------------------------
"Who does Not Know the Truth, is simply a Fool...
Yet who Knows the Truth and Calls it a Lie, is a Criminal."
- In "Galileo Galilei" by Berthold Brecht (1898-1956)
-------------------------------------------------------
God wanted me to post this
Human intelligence quotient remains, for the most part, the same as it was
10,000 years ago. There's no way to increase intelligence with our small
brains. The factors influencing human intelligence (esp males) is the
breakdown of genetic factors which control complex systems (which we do not
understand) which cause erratic behavior in males.
So technically, human males are becoming increasingly erratic and their
intelligence can not stop their behavior.
------------------------------------------------------
"Who does Not Know the Truth, is simply a Fool...
Yet who Knows the Truth and Calls it a Lie, is a Criminal."
- In "Galileo Galilei" by Berthold Brecht (1898-1956)
-------------------------------------------------------
Ugly Bob
"Jack Bechtel" <jbec...@bechtel.corp> wrote in message
news:9554F66D85...@easynews.com...
> She sheds them as fast as she jettisoned chuckybone,
> because she realizes that they are all David Green socks.
I thought that they were all Blue Resonant Human!
> Bechtel Corp's team of investigators has uncovered the
> truth:
>
> "David Green" was the operational name of an assassin
> tasked with eliminating security leaks out of the
> Groom Lake facility. Several contracters were operating
> there, including Bechtel and Lockheed, but the hit was
> put out by one of the government agencies working on
> the "Dark Projects". Green disappeared after doing half
> of the hits, and it was assumed he turned native. We
> now realize the the operative known as "David Green" had
> a mental breakdown and is now working against her former
> employers. The trouble is, Alexa does not know exactly
> who hired her. She would not have had any access to the
> "Dark Projects", but her targets may have had bits and
> pieces of information about HAARP, EMP and Remote Viewers.
> She is not at much of a risk, since it is obvious she
> doesn't have a true picture of the "Dark Projects". She
> is now an unwitting disinformation tool of the government.
God wanted me to post this
wrote:
Plonkers. dumbass. Go thump yer bible and hope that the mythical JC shows
up again so you can kill him again and feel pleasure in that.
<plonkers>
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slider
God wanted me
>>"Who does Not Know the Truth, is simply a Fool...
>>Yet who Knows the Truth and Calls it a Lie, is a Criminal."
>>- In "Galileo Galilei" by Berthold Brecht (1898-1956)
>>
>>### - certainly 'sounds' like something Galileo might have said considering
>>what he must have went through :)
>>
>>excellent quote :)
>>
>
>What happened to males over the decades is genetic defects, they're not
>nearly as intelligent as they once were.
>
>### - oh i dunno... even after generations of just playing with their fingers
>humans are still pretty intelligent, even in their sleep :)
>
>now if they could do all that while they were asleep, what might they do if they
>were awake :)
>
Human intelligence quotient remains, for the most part, the same as it was
10,000 years ago. There's no way to increase intelligence with our small
brains. The factors influencing human intelligence (esp males) is the
breakdown of genetic factors which control complex systems (which we do not
understand) which cause erratic behavior in males.
So technically, human males are becoming increasingly erratic and their
intelligence can not stop their behavior.
### - what if it's not a matter of more intelligence though, but the way we 'apply'
the amazing intelligence we already have?
slider
God wanted wrote
>So, yeah, I'm embarrassed by the company I keep. I'm also embarrassed by
>the US government, the president and most world leaders. But most of all,
>I'm embarrassed to be an American. And if I didn't have people I loved in
>the USA, I'd feel much better not spending my last days in the USA.
>
>### - nothing wrong with the American people themselves... it's what America
>as an international body has come to represent in terms of its foreign policy that's
>causing all the grief (& the resulting anger) in the world - i.e. i think it's important
>to distinguish between the American people themselves and their current leaders
>foreign policies...
The body of American people have been kept in the dark and fed bullshit so
long by domestic and foreign corporations pulling the strings within their
government that the people are not aware their government is beyond
redemption and so corrupt that constitution has been subverted. It's far
worse than just inept American 'foreign policy'. The only foreign policy
that the US government has is one dictated and decided upon by corporations
who all get their lead from the European banking system who is managing for
the most part the illegal laundering of drug money. The ENTIRE world
banking system is corrupt. And the money moguls are in control of things
and manipulate governments< especially the US government which is their
private army' like they were pieces on a monopoly board.
### - well okay... Americans have certainly been kept in the dark etc, but then that also
goes for the rest of the world too really no? in that each country is guilty of exactly
the same thing of preferring to manipulate its populaces instead of educating them - plus
everyone knows that money makes the world go-round, that's the way it's been for a long
time and still is... and horrible though that is there's no need to get the horrors about
it... imho it's something one has to learn to accept and still find a way to live with...
>jazz & blues came out of America for example :)
>as it is... it looks like we're just having a re-enactment of pearl harbour (and we
>all know how 'that' ended don't we... KA-BOOOOM :)
I'd make the big Kaboom in the Netherlands.
### - ah no not Holland... i like Holland! (it was very kind to me once :)
>"You may say i'm a dreamer,
>But i'm not the only one" --(jonny lennon:)
>
>
>"Life goes on much the same. In the face of terrifying dangers and
>golden political opportunities, people just keep-on keeping-on in a
>sort of twilight sleep in which they're conscious of nothing but the
>daily-round of work, family life, darts at the pub, exercising the
>dog, bringing home the supper, beer, etc, etc." --
>(George Orwell - 1940's London during the blitz)
Life will not continue of earth, extinction takes no prisoners.
### - well it's probably true that humanity ain't gonna survive... we all take
ourselves too seriously perhaps?
maybe we should lighten up :)
God wanted me to post this
Oh we have enough intelligence on this planet to solve all of the world's
ills. We always have. Men don't want to give up power and control of
things. It's the male mind which governs this planet, and their inability
to feel pleasure or satisfaction in anything except killing and control.
Here was are in the 21st century, human extinction only 100 years away, and
never has a woman been the president of the US, or even vice president or a
pope.
Shameless control and micro management, superstition and male animal brains
have controlled this planet.
But I'm telling you ,there's no cure for human extinction. We're almost
there.
------------------------------------------------------
"Who does Not Know the Truth, is simply a Fool...
Yet who Knows the Truth and Calls it a Lie, is a Criminal."
- In "Galileo Galilei" by Berthold Brecht (1898-1956)
-------------------------------------------------------
Jeremy Donovan
God wanted me to post this <g...@god.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 17:28:43 GMT, "Cole Firearms Inc."
><colefir...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>Eldon Leighton Donovan wrote:
>>
>>> "God wanted me to post this"
>>>
>>>>You don't get it, do you. What you say doesn't make me embarrassed, but
>>>>makes me embarrassed FOR you because you're so stupid.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Boy, you really told me off....
>>
>>Did you almost fall off your chair laughing at him?
>
>You should have heard me laughing last night, I laughed so hard I had tears
>streaming down my face.
>
>I kept getting the visuals of Katzinjammer Kids, or Spanky and Our Gang,
>working on the ET saucer at Groom repeating the mantra:
>
>"NO, We CAN'T TELL THEM ***THAT***"
>
>"We Must Go To Our Graves Keeping the SEEKRIT!"
>
>"National Security is at STAKE!"
>
><don't even get me started, I don't have enough Kleenex to mop up the tears
>of laughter>
Um, excuse me for interrupting your great "mirth", psycho troll, but
could you please take this demented shit back to whatever demented
newsgroup you usually post it in? Not that they'd want you there
either ... I'm quite sure they don't.
This is actually the giveaway to what kind of person you are, the way
you post to inappropriate groups and start a jillion stupid threads,
as if your retarded opinion is the only thing in the world that should
matter to anyone, anywhere.
I even gave you the last fruity word in some other threads here, and
that's usually enough to deter a garden-variety fruit like you --
simply give her the last deranged word she so desperately craves. But
here you are again slithering around trying hard to spoil everyone's
day, which seems to be your raison d'etre.
Btw, egomaniacs with delusions of grandeur typically don't become
embarrassed (when they definitely should), and tend to make sweeping
pronouncements about the whole of the human race because, after all,
it's just another meaningless OBJECT to them.
You may well be an extraterrestrial Vietnam vet who owns an automatic
weapon and votes for Bush, as you certainly do ACT like one, but what
does any of that have to do with Castaneda? Wait, I forgot, there's
an obvious similarity between anything INSANE and Castaneda, so ...
never mind, I now see the clear connection. :-)
Yes I realize that, like all others of your kind, you can't hear a
word of this, so I should probably plonk and get it over with, but in
the mean time please, PLEASE tell us everything you think!!
-J.
Sharky
>Um, excuse me for interrupting your great "mirth", psycho troll, but
>could you please take this demented shit back to whatever demented
>newsgroup you usually post it in? Not that they'd want you there
>either ... I'm quite sure they don't.
Nice PKB, dipshit.
--
Sharky
Should John Kerry live by the "letter of the law" as he suggests here?
(Audiotape, April 18, 1971):
MR. CROSBY NOYES (Washington Evening Star): Mr. Kerry, you said at one time
or another that you think our policies in Vietnam are tantamount to
genocide and that the responsibility lies at all chains of command over
there. Do you consider that you personally as a Naval officer committed
atrocities in Vietnam or crimes punishable by law in this country?
SEN. KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say
that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of
other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire
zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre
machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only
weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the
burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of
this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a
matter of written established policy by the government of the United States
from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men
who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed
off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law,
the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.
(End audiotape)
http://hnn.us/articles/3552.html
Leo
"slider" <sli...@anashram.com> wrote in message
news:41327de1$0$98859$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
>
> Life will not continue of earth, extinction takes no prisoners.
>
> ### - well it's probably true that humanity ain't gonna survive... we all
take
> ourselves too seriously perhaps?
>
> maybe we should lighten up :)
>
Well here is a site purporting to represent a movement that not only
embraces the extinction of the human species but also seeks to promote it. A
kind of " if you can't beat 'em join 'em " sort of idea. What I wonder is
why some people feel the need to labor under such a gigantic cloud of guilt
simply for the fact of our existence. I mean what would happen if some of
the other species that we share this planet with suddenly developed an
overwhelming sense of guilt about their behaviour. What if lions and tigers
and bears.....alligators and snakes and pirhanas........sharks and
tarantulas and tse tse flies.....were all suddenly stricken by unconsolable
regret for the harm they may have caused in the world. What about some of
the other causes of destruction that occur on a regular basis without any
input from humans........hurricanes and typhoons.....floods and
landslides......droughts and fires.....etc..
It has taken many, many years for the human species to figure out a
little bit about what is going on in our universe. Immortality for the
planet or ourselves is apparently not on the agenda. For us to arrive at a
conclusion that the best course of action would be for humans to step aside
and undergo a voluntary extinction for the good of the planet is totally
ludicrous. Our worthiness to exist is no more or no less than any other
manifestation of creation. The bare truth is that we are all participating
in a gigantic end game. Now given that we are able to accept that fact
......let the games begin. Like somebody ( Yogi Berra?) said it ain't over
'til the fat lady sings. Personally I don't think she has even picked out
the tune yet much less decided on any definite arrangement.
To say that humans have no part to play or that they are so ignorant of
the rules and etiquette that they should be tossed out of the game is to
cast judgement upon the whole of creation. If you think that all of creation
is a nice little event to which humans should not have been allowed to
attend then of course you might develop a bit of a complex about our being
here. Just as we may be astonished by the fact of our being here so might
the universe be astonished by us and our emergence from the primordial soup.
Life presents us with many challenges from the day we are born 'til
the day we die. We have been graced or burdened with the chance to live.
It's funny, I remember one time as a teenager being very pissed about the
whole situation. My Father said or did something that just put me over the
edge so I said to him " Hey , I never asked to be born." Without skipping a
single beat he responded, " Neither did I." LOL... I was more pissed than
ever after that. So there it was in a nutshell. None of us has asked for
this go 'round called life. And the odds of any one person to exist are
truly astronomical. So as Slider said maybe we shouldn't be quite so hard on
ourselves. There are probably innumerable ways that we can find some
redeeming quality in ourselves and others if we care to look for them.
Peace Out,
~ Leo
God wanted me to post this
<jeremy...@earthlinkspammers.net> wrote:
>Um, excuse me for interrupting your great "mirth",
Listen you incredible dumbass, I wasn't the one who started cross posting
this and furthermore your dumbass replied more than once in this thread,
and the post you're whining about replied to wasn't EVEN directed to you.
So bite me.
Geezus.
God wanted me to post this
<jeremy...@earthlinkspammers.net> wrote:
>so I should probably plonk and get it over with
Let me do the honors first.
<plonk>
slider
Leo wrote...
>
> Life will not continue of earth, extinction takes no prisoners.
>
> ### - well it's probably true that humanity ain't gonna survive... we all
> take ourselves too seriously perhaps?
>
> maybe we should lighten up :)
>
Life presents us with many challenges from the day we are born 'til
the day we die. We have been graced or burdened with the chance to live.
It's funny, I remember one time as a teenager being very pissed about the
whole situation. My Father said or did something that just put me over the
edge so I said to him " Hey , I never asked to be born." Without skipping a
single beat he responded, " Neither did I." LOL... I was more pissed than
ever after that. So there it was in a nutshell. None of us has asked for
this go 'round called life. And the odds of any one person to exist are
truly astronomical. So as Slider said maybe we shouldn't be quite so hard on
ourselves. There are probably innumerable ways that we can find some
redeeming quality in ourselves and others if we care to look for them.
Peace Out,
### - there's nothing wrong with any kid that's born barring certain
mental/physical conditions like autism, and i've yet to see anything even
like a 'devil-child' that wasn't the parents total fault in educating/bringing
it up... what 'happens' to those kids to make them all into adult monsters
is 'society' and the sociological demands it puts on them to all get good
jobs & earn money in order to be a 'good' member OF that society...
and then ya get the occasional buddha-cat sitting there in his blanket going:
tsk-tsk at all this suffering... you just don't have to do it, ya know? :)
Aratzio
<g...@god.com> transparently proposed:
>On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 03:57:09 GMT, Jeremy Donovan
><jeremy...@earthlinkspammers.net> wrote:
>
>>Um, excuse me for interrupting your great "mirth",
>
>Listen you incredible dumbass, I wasn't the one who started cross posting
>this and furthermore your dumbass replied more than once in this thread,
>and the post you're whining about replied to wasn't EVEN directed to you.
>
>So bite me.
>
>Geezus.
High Alexa?
High Alexa?
<g...@god.com> transparently proposed:
>On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 03:57:09 GMT, Jeremy Donovan
><jeremy...@earthlinkspammers.net> wrote:
>
>>so I should probably plonk and get it over with
>
>Let me do the honors first.
>
><plonk>
>
<remote unplonk>
slider
God wanted me wrote
### - smile, well i don't think women running the world would be much better (although
granted it'd probably be a lot cleaner + smell nicer :) - have you ever met a feminist for
example? they can get pretty aggressive too :)
Here was are in the 21st century, human extinction only 100 years away, and
never has a woman been the president of the US, or even vice president or a
pope.
### - lol i think the 'last' thing this poor old world needs right now is a sex-renouncing
female pope!:) - whey we need is MORE sex, lots of it... and preferably with another
person this time :)
Shameless control and micro management, superstition and male animal brains
have controlled this planet.
### - well yes as a species we're pretty dumb that's for sure... plus after ALL we've been
through you'd think we'd 'learn' - women sitting there all-day long watching soaps on the
tv being just as bad as the men with their war-games imho... a befuddled & bemused species
trying desperately to come to terms with all the functions of the mind or die, and we're
not really doing so well...
But I'm telling you, there's no cure for human extinction. We're almost
there.
### - it's probably already too late in the day to repair it alright, plus get-used
to it, it's been like that/going that way for quite a long time now... maybe even
for hundreds of years, and there's nothing anyone can do about it unless the
whole world suddenly turns around and unites to stop the rot...
but then i'm not really one to believe in miracles...
i.e. considering the circumstances then, what it all comes down to is just the
fulfilling of one's own personal life & enjoyment by choosing to live 'beside' the
insane-nightmare instead of remaining within it/belonging to it...
plus better get-used to it... that's just the way it is old chum :)
welcome neo to the world as it is today... this is the world of the real
...so what shall we all do now? :)
small tortoiseshell
>
> Just chill out, dude.
> don't take yourself so seriously.
hrmmm...
> How's that $10 bucks a hour job workin' for ya these days?
> What ever happened to that fat trust-fund in the sky? :)
What prick, chris, Fuck You!
its a joke, right?
>
> haha!
> Eldon Leighton Donovan
thought so :)
SaPeIsMa
>
>
>
> Here was are in the 21st century, human extinction only 100 years away,
and
> never has a woman been the president of the US, or even vice president or
a
> pope.
>
Well 2 out of 3 isn't bad.
But there were female Presidents and Vice-Presidents in other countries as
well.
So since you didn't specify which country's Presidents or V-Ps your were
talking about, that makes you wrong on all 3 counts.
Happy Troll
hay, so we're wrong sometimes. I actually believed in miracles. ;)
Happy Troll
wrote:
only in your paranoid little dreams
Happy Troll
Happy Troll
>On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 05:00:55 GMT, God wanted me to post this
><g...@god.com> wrote:
>
>><>
>
>Do you have many voices in yer head?
should they all be embarrassed because of you or for you for switching your
nym so often to avoid kill files?
small tortoiseshell
> On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:29:53 -0500, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"slider" <sli...@anashram.com> wrote in message
> >news:413347d4$0$23153$ed2e...@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Here was are in the 21st century, human extinction only 100 years away,
> and
> >> never has a woman been the president of the US, or even vice president or
> a
> >> pope.
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_139.html
""Pope Joan," who supposedly served from 855 to 858, was said to be an
Englishwoman who disguised herself as a monk to be with her cleric
boyfriend. She went to Rome, where she so impressed others with her
learning that she was elected pope. Her secret was discovered when she
gave birth during a procession, whereupon she was slain. The story is
false, although it was possibly inspired by actual events"
Happy Troll
wrote:
>> Here was are in the 21st century, human extinction only 100 years away,
>> and never has a woman been the president of the US, or even vice president or
>> a pope.
>
>http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_139.html
>
>""Pope Joan," who supposedly served from 855 to 858, was said to be an
>Englishwoman who disguised herself as a monk to be with her cleric
>boyfriend. She went to Rome, where she so impressed others with her
>learning that she was elected pope. Her secret was discovered when she
>gave birth during a procession, whereupon she was slain. The story is
>false, although it was possibly inspired by actual events"
The same prejudice against women exists today.
Men are bigoted and prejudiced against women and that is OBVIOUS.
Just look at the world.
J...@yahoo.com
Go to the ptsd group and seek out tiny dancer.
She will help you. Remember ; Smile and the
whole world smiles back.
"Happy Troll" <ju...@small.troll> wrote in message
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rbb
"Leo" <l...@rainbow.net> wrote in message
news:ASxYc.266110$gE.98782@pd7tw3no...
> Life presents us with many challenges from the day we are born 'til
> the day we die. We have been graced or burdened with the chance to live.
> It's funny, I remember one time as a teenager being very pissed about the
> whole situation. My Father said or did something that just put me over the
> edge so I said to him " Hey , I never asked to be born." Without skipping
a
> single beat he responded, " Neither did I." LOL... I was more pissed than
> ever after that. So there it was in a nutshell.
I tried that one too. Not that it changed much.
Nice rap.
RBB
Jeremy Donovan
Sharky <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>In <cf94j0d1v2ib7muli...@4ax.com>, Jeremy Donovan wrote:
>
>>Um, excuse me for interrupting your great "mirth", psycho troll, but
>>could you please take this demented shit back to whatever demented
>>newsgroup you usually post it in? Not that they'd want you there
>>either ... I'm quite sure they don't.
>
>Nice PKB, dipshit.
Why thank you, shit for brains. But actually they LOVE me there, nay
worship the ground I walk on. There's one guy who follows me around
absolutely dying to talk to me all the time. And all the girls think
I'm hot.
>Should John Kerry live by the "letter of the law" as he suggests here?
>
>(Audiotape, April 18, 1971):
>
>MR. CROSBY NOYES (Washington Evening Star): Mr. Kerry, you said at one time
>or another that you think our policies in Vietnam are tantamount to
>genocide and that the responsibility lies at all chains of command over
>there. Do you consider that you personally as a Naval officer committed
>atrocities in Vietnam or crimes punishable by law in this country?
>
>SEN. KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say
>that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of
>other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire
>zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre
>machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only
>weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the
>burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of
>this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a
>matter of written established policy by the government of the United States
>from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men
>who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed
>off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law,
>the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.
>(End audiotape)
>http://hnn.us/articles/3552.html
The funny thing is that just by this I can't tell if you're for Kerry
or against him. :-) Here's some more information for you, just in
case you can read more than a paragraph or two at a time...
Demo Hassan wrote:
Torture Photos, Videos a Time-Honored CIA Traditions
[...] http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/SCO405A.html
Of course, the U.S. Army had its own earlier experience
with torture in Vietnam. Sen. John Kerry is now being
attacked for having told Congress about this, truthfully,
in 1971. In Kerry's words at the time, fellow soldiers
at the so-called "Winter Soldier" investigation had
"told stories that at times they had personally raped,
cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable
telephones to human genitals and turned up the power."
It was more customary then to kill the prisoners (who
were often civilians) after they had been tortured.
Much of the army interrogation, torture and executions
occurred as part of the CIA-coordinated Phoenix Program,
where standard interrogation techniques (as in Iraq)
included rape, water torture and electrocution. Another
veteran testified in Congress that, "I never knew an
individual to be detained as a VC suspect who ever
lived through an interrogation in a year and a half."
...
My Lai Massacre: On March 16, 1968 the angry and frustrated men of
Charlie Company, 11th Brigade, American Division entered the village
of My Lai. "This is what you've been waiting for -- search and destroy
-- and you've got it," said their superior officers. A short time
later the killing began. When news of the atrocities surfaced, it sent
shockwaves through the US political establishment, the military's
chain of command, and an already divided American public. As the
"search and destroy" mission unfolded it soon degenerated into the
massacre of over 300 apparently unarmed civilians including women,
children, and the elderly. Calley ordered his men to enter the village
firing, though there had been no report of opposing fire. According to
eyewitness reports offered after the event, several old men were
bayoneted, praying women and children were shot in the back of the
head, and at least one girl was raped, and then killed. For his part,
Calley was said to have rounded up a group of the villagers, ordered
them into a ditch, and mowed them down in a fury of machine gun fire.
Tiger Force was a commando unit of the United States Army, which
fought in Vietnam, from May to November of 1967; as part of the
Vietnam War. The unit, consisting of 45 paratroopers, has since been
accused of committing various warcrimes, including indiscriminate
attack, mutilation, and torture. Some reports state that the soldiers
wore necklaces composed of human ears. In 2002 the Toledo Blade
newspaper received a tip about unreleased Army records of an
investigation into warcrimes during the Vietnam war. The newspaper
spent eight months investigating the story and in October 2003 ran a
series of feature articles on atrocities committed by the Tiger Force
unit. The Blade reported that the Army investigated the actions of
Tiger Force for four and a half years, from 1971 to 1975, and that the
Army substantiated many of the allegations of warcrimes, but filed no
charges. The records of the investigation have been kept secret.
According to the Army, this is for reasons of privacy.Since the Toledo
Blade story, the Army has re-opened the investigation.
Son Thang: In 1998, for example, Marine Corps veteran Gary D. Solis
published the book Son Thang: An American War Crime describing the
court-martial of four US Marines for the apparently unprovoked killing
16 women and children on the night of February 19, 1970 in a hamlet
about 20 miles south of Danang. The four Marines testified that they
were under orders by their patrol leader to shoot the villagers. A
young Oliver North appeared as a character witness and helped acquit
the leader of all charges, but three were convicted.
Tiger Force: The Toledo Blade won a Pulitzer Prize this year for a
series published in October, 2003 reporting that atrocities were
committed by an elite US Army "Tiger Force" unit that the Blade said
killed unarmed civilians and children during a seven-month rampage in
1967. "Elderly farmers were shot as they toiled in the fields.
Prisoners were tortured and executed - their ears and scalps severed
for souvenirs. One soldier kicked out the teeth of executed civilians
for their gold fillings," the Blade reported. "Investigators concluded
that 18 soldiers committed war crimes ranging from murder and assault
to dereliction of duty. But no one was charged."
"Hundreds" of others: In December 2003 The New York Times quoted
Nicholas Turse, a doctoral candidate at Columbia University who has
been studying government archives, as saying the records are filled
with accounts of atrocities similar to those described by the Toledo
Blade series. "I stumbled across the incidents The Blade reported,"
Turse was quoted as saying. "I read through that case a year, year and
a half ago, and it really didn't stand out. There was nothing that
made it stand out from anything else. That's the scary thing. It was
just one of hundreds."
"Exact Same Stories": Keith Nolan, author of 10 published books on
Vietnam, says he's heard many veterans describe atrocities just like
those Kerry recounted from the Winter Soldier event. Nolan told
FactCheck.org that since 1978 he's interviewed roughly 1,000 veterans
in depth for his books, and spoken to thousands of others. "I have
heard the exact same stories dozens if not hundreds of times over," he
said. "Wars produce atrocities. Frustrating guerrilla wars produce a
particularly horrific number of atrocities. That some individual
soldiers and certain units responded with excessive brutality in
Vietnam shouldn't really surprise anyone."
",","
Vietnam Massacre story needs to be told
"... Tiger Force was created in the fall of 1965
as a special highly trained reconnaissance unit
to find the enemy and report enemy positions to
U.S. air and ground forces. Its members wore
special tiger-striped uniforms, they could grow
beards, and could carry their own side arms.
The unit's slogan was 'out guerrilla the guerrillas.'
"After listening to details of the Tiger Force case,
William Eckhardt, lead prosecutor in the My Lai
court-martial and now a law professor at the
University of Missouri at Kansas City, said, 'What I
see is a loss of control and obviously ill discipline,
far beyond what you would want in Vietnam.' ..."
http://tinyurl.com/rq1i
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Tiger Force (Vietnam) Uncovered and Exposed
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/Tiger_force_120803.htm
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