Welcome to Reality
cr...@worldnet.att.net
Come back after you've read everything, then
we'll talk. Everything you always wanted to know
or everything you already knew. Take your pick. :)
Cat
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Emilio
cr...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>
> This should keep some of you busy for some time.
> Come back after you've read everything, then
> we'll talk. Everything you always wanted to know
> or everything you already knew. Take your pick. :)
>
> http://www.sustainedaction.org/
It is a very interesting site. Everybody seems to be caught in one lie
or another, and Carlos and Co. are quite hilarious about, making a
public trail that makes absolutely no sense other than deliberately
obfuscating things. And profiteering. There is an obsession going on
around town about lies and greed. I understand it fully. My own father
was a habitual liar, harmless, but it used to infuriate me, when I
thought that I deserved more from my father than that(read:
self-important). It only made me sad and lose all respect for him and
ashamed that he was that insecure that he had to invent things about
himself and the world to raise himself in front of others eyes. And of
course we all know what the Bible says about the love of money.
The comparisons of Guireff and sorcery were interesting but the
suggested final analysis that Carlos and his fictional don Juan were
plagirising it is disregarding the distinct possibility that there is a
sychronicity in the fact that dreaming and the dreaming body exist. I'm
sure of it. It is a universal energetic fact, as they would say. It has
been described AND experienced by thousands of practioners(shamans) in
many different parts of the world and many different and distant
cultures. The level of sophistication and the pragmatism of its
instruction varies from group to group. One method that works
particularly well is to attack the rigid reality that the student clings
to , to make the aspirant question their very sanity and to finally let
go of it, for it is nothing but a mirage that hinders the presence of
true vision.
For me, he hit the nail on the head in his descriptions of the
inorganics and the voice of seeing. Two things that I experienced long
before he wrote about them in the detail of his 1980 books and the Art
Of Dreaming. Until those books came out, I believed the doctors and the
scientists who insisted that my bouts with schizophrenia, the visions,
the voices, were only a product of a diseased mind. My own insistence of
overcoming that, was due to the fact that my main interest at that time
was psychology and also at one point I finallly realized what a burden I
was becoming to my friends and family. The "hallucinations" stopped for
ten years.
Now I hear voices again, deliberately, one at a time, on occasion two
will visit, because they are relentless teachers and show no mercy but
the pay-off is more than I could ever say. I have expereinced the most
fascinating and frightening travelling of my energy body, all done at
the hands of one inorganic or another.
And now I still see things but because I have ordered my life and have
attempted impeccability at all times, my visions are consice and to the
point and show things that I could never know otherwise(and sometimes
intentionally deceptive, for I too, am an idiot, just like you Chris).
This works for me as a survival tool. To know a plan of action without
having to reason it out improves ones chance of success and survival
immensley. And I need all the help I can get.
So,in a final summation, those of you who worry about all the stupid
lies that these clowns came up with, laugh and laugh alot because the
joke is on you.
Emilio
(That's one l, Henry, you illerate boob.)
#|8^} >
cr...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
> This should keep some of you busy for some time.
> Come back after you've read everything, then
> we'll talk. Everything you always wanted to know
> or everything you already knew. Take your pick. :)
>
> http://www.sustainedaction.org/
Oh you are a genius, you are soooo right, CC and all he wrote was a big
sham, YOU are a winner.
Just an asside Chris, these things that CC did, these 'naughty' things,
arent you being just a little bit virginal?, what really does it matter
if CC liked balancing springs on his cock? if you could photographicly
prove such a thing, I wouldnt flinch, you are such a fridged little
girlie, you know nothing of the mechanisms of sorcery.
slider
Emilio wrote...
>It is a very interesting site. Everybody seems to be caught in one
lie
>or another, and Carlos and Co. are quite hilarious about, making a
>public trail that makes absolutely no sense other than deliberately
>obfuscating things.
### - hi emilio... i liked your clarity on all this... this "stuff"
(don't worry about chris... he's got his OWN agenda... ie, looking for
cults to bash... he see them everywhere... and is "acually"
attempting to start his own!?:)))
talk about "barking" up the wrong tree eh?:)))
regards... slider...
deanya lattimore
unfortunately, chris (and his demille backing) seems to miss what Castaneda was
all about. he was a not-too-bright anthropologist who went out seeking a native
american who could teach him about getting high using cultural justification.
his first two or three books are badly written (they never got much better) and
are clearly clueless to the larger picture. After Eagle's Gift, at least he
understands more of what was happening, but this usually leads to him telling the
same story again with a better understanding.
Given that he was in and out of altered states of reality (much as i spent the
'70s, but not by enlightenment) and frequently found himself doing three
impossible things before breakfast, i wouldn't trust so much his interpretations
or memories as much as i would trust what he says don Juan said. I also think
that in the first few books Carlos was intent on making money and telling a good
story, neither of which leads to trustworthy reporting.
NONETHELESS, i can't dismiss don juan because when he speaks, carlos seems
smart. there is ancient wisdom in much of what juan says thru carlos that i have
come to realize is "true" myself: the left shoulder, the giving up of memories
and life experience to the "eagle," the power of POWER...
it is obvious that carlos still didn't know what he was doing the day he died: he
was never whole, he didn't have the patience for it. he wanted to prove how
everything couldn't be instead of proving to himself how things can be.
interesting how chris would have been the same sort of student that carlos was.
ANYway, i'm having some pretty awesome encounters with Power lately and am
looking for a few *believers* to discuss them with. i have no interest in
wasting my breath debating if they really happened or how they could be read as
huge coincidental sequences. my meditation is progressing to the point that i
KNOW certain things for sure; if you don't, then that's not my problem.
i seem to connect with Power through dance. i'm looking for that last book that
the carlos group put out before he died (he could never put down the pen --
THAT's why he couldn't leave the earth!). was it just called tensegrity? it was
a series of movements and there were lots of photos. it may be that it's between
printings of the hardcover and the paperback, cause amazon doesn't seem to have
it listed (unless i'm remembering the name completely wrong).
if you are interested in discussing your experiences with Power, please email me
personally; i don't seem to fit in with this group who finds nothing better to do
than niggle about how carlos was a moron. he WAS; don Juan was not. read the
king through the fool and shutup about it already.
deanya lattimore
mdla...@syr.edu
Emilio wrote:
> cr...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
> >
> > This should keep some of you busy for some time.
> > Come back after you've read everything, then
> > we'll talk. Everything you always wanted to know
> > or everything you already knew. Take your pick. :)
> >
> > http://www.sustainedaction.org/
>
> It is a very interesting site. Everybody seems to be caught in one lie
> or another, and Carlos and Co. are quite hilarious about, making a
> public trail that makes absolutely no sense other than deliberately
--
http://wrt-lattimore.syr.edu
---------------
"It was so hot today, the only thing I could do all
afternoon was to lie on my bed and read Jean's
Dynamical Theory of Gases."
-J. Robert Oppenheimer, An internationally known
physicist who worked on the Manhattan Project,
America's secret World War II project to build a
nuclear bomb before the Germans.
StarkRandy
"was it just called tensegrity?"
MAGICAL PASSES: The Practical Wisdom of the Shamans of Ancient Mexico
cr...@worldnet.att.net
> Oh you are a genius, you are soooo right, CC and all he wrote was a big
> sham, YOU are a winner. (Really, where's my winning lottery ticket?)
> Just an asside Chris, these things that CC did, these 'naughty' things,
> arent you being just a little bit virginal?, what really does it matter
> if CC liked balancing springs on his cock? if you could photographicly
> prove such a thing, I wouldnt flinch, you are such a fridged little
> girlie, you know nothing of the mechanisms of sorcery.
Let me guess? You know the WHOLE story on sorcery eh?
Natural born sorcerer, just like Florinda is a natural
born dreamer?
Really? What makes you think I'm a girl?
Do I throw a baseball like a girl?
Or is it the way I walk? Dude looks like a lady?
Come now hasn't your assumptions made you blind? :)
cr...@worldnet.att.net
Where do you get that this is MY site?
Please try being sober for a couple of
minutes in your lifetime. You can read who
the author is at the bottom of every page.
When in doubt, wipe your glasses off. :)
xanadu
cr...@worldnet.att.net wrote in message <379886...@worldnet.att.net>...
>This should keep some of you busy for some time.
>Come back after you've read everything, then
>we'll talk. Everything you always wanted to know
>or everything you already knew. Take your pick. :)
>
>
have wasted a HUGE amount of time compiling
this.... ya i gave it a little looksee but just the time
it woould take to go through this reading it is too
much of a drain the whole sight gives off
drainage vibes BIGTIME
Look at things in ordinary ways and anything
can become ordinary.
Just keep telling yourself what you need to hear
to make yourself feel better
If U jack it they will Cum
http://www.sustainedaction.org/
YADAYADAYADA YABADABA DOO
GregGabi
>ANYway, i'm having some pretty awesome encounters with Power lately and am
>looking for a few *believers* to discuss them with.
All you need to do is email Cleargreen
and request to belong to their forums (Tango or Tigre, I believe) of people
who want to talk about their experiences with other people. There you will
find exactly what you are looking for.
The only requirements are to have paid to attend a seminar and be a true
believer...
i have no interest in
>wasting my breath debating if they really happened or how they could be read
>as
>huge coincidental sequences. my meditation is progressing to the point that
>i
>KNOW certain things for sure; if you don't, then that's not my problem.
You are exactly who they are looking for...
>i seem to connect with Power through dance. i'm looking for that last book
>that
>the carlos group put out before he died (he could never put down the pen --
>THAT's why he couldn't leave the earth!). was it just called tensegrity?
It's called Magical Passes... just contact Cleargreen, they will be happy to
sell you any book you want. Sign up to attend their seminars, and you will
enjoy being surrounded with others just like you.
it
>was
>a series of movements and there were lots of photos. it may be that it's
>between
>printings of the hardcover and the paperback, cause amazon doesn't seem to
>have
>it listed (unless i'm remembering the name completely wrong).
>
>if you are interested in discussing your experiences with Power, please email
>me
>personally; i don't seem to fit in with this group who finds nothing better
>to do
>than niggle about how carlos was a moron. he WAS; don Juan was not. read
>the
>king through the fool and shutup about it already.
No one shuts up here... haven't you noticed?
It's called freedom...
http://www.castaneda.com... just do it!
Greg
>deanya lattimore
>mdla...@syr.edu
cr...@worldnet.att.net
Perfecto! I can't stop laughing reading this.
You have such a polite way of saying fuck you
to people. I need to learn that way. And I
can't wait to see the next website about shorty's
putas. Shorty's Putas. Has a nice ring to it eh? :)
Emilio
slider wrote:
>
> Emilio wrote...
> >It is a very interesting site. Everybody seems to be caught in one
> lie
> >or another, and Carlos and Co. are quite hilarious about, making a
> >public trail that makes absolutely no sense other than deliberately
> >obfuscating things.
>
> ### - hi emilio... i liked your clarity on all this... this "stuff"
> (don't worry about chris... he's got his OWN agenda... ie, looking for
> cults to bash... he see them everywhere... and is "acually"
> attempting to start his own!?:)))
>
> talk about "barking" up the wrong tree eh?:)))
>
> regards... slider...
Hi Slider. Thanks for the pat on the back. I have to ask what the
moniker "slider" means? Here in the states it is a baseball term, a
particular type of pitch.
About Chris? I promise I don't worry about him. I like him, he is so
confused about what is and what isn't and this is such a concern that he
has to reaffirm the reality that has been given to him. It is a constant
chore for him and he desperately needs confirmation so he doesn't feel
so rudderless.
Emilio
CalixtoM
Emilio siz...@buzz.net writes:
>> http://www.sustainedaction.org/
> My own father
>was a habitual liar, harmless, but it used to infuriate me, when I
>thought that I deserved more from my father than that(read:
>self-important).
'Deserved' is the possibly misguided word. Who can say what anyone 'deserves'?
Perhaps a simple shift to 'wanted' rather than 'thought that I deserved'?
> It only made me sad and lose all respect for him and
>ashamed that he was that insecure that he had to invent things about
>himself and the world to raise himself in front of others eyes. And of
>course we all know what the Bible says about the love of money.
Then there is also attachment to notoriety, influence, ego, sexual conquest,
etc. to contend with. And ... when you 'lost respect' for him, you couldn't
really 'follow' him any more, could you?
> The comparisons of Guireff and sorcery were interesting but the
>suggested final analysis that Carlos and his fictional don Juan were
>plagirising it is disregarding the distinct possibility that there is a
>sychronicity in the fact that dreaming and the dreaming body exist.
"Don Juan" and "dreaming" are completely separate issues, for, as you yourself
note, many paths include some form of "dreaming".
> I'm
>sure of it. It is a universal energetic fact, as they would say. It has
>been described AND experienced by thousands of practioners(shamans) in
>many different parts of the world and many different and distant
>cultures. The level of sophistication and the pragmatism of its
>instruction varies from group to group.
Whatever the true story on dreaming, in light of what's been uncovered, *why*
fixate on CC's take? Consider the possibility that your experience of a praxis
which can be molded to fit one's expectations has been unduly influenced by the
suggestions of someone who would simply make up shit at the drop of a hat.
> For me, he hit the nail on the head in his descriptions of the
>inorganics and the voice of seeing. Two things that I experienced long
>before he wrote about them in the detail of his 1980 books and the Art
>Of Dreaming.
Consider the possibility that you fit your experiences into CC's
interpretation, just as before you fit your experiences into the
interpretations of doctors. Consider the possibility that *neither*
interpretation was accurate.
> Until those books came out, I believed the doctors and the
>scientists who insisted that my bouts with schizophrenia, the visions,
>the voices, were only a product of a diseased mind. My own insistence of
>overcoming that, was due to the fact that my main interest at that time
>was psychology and also at one point I finallly realized what a burden I
>was becoming to my friends and family. The "hallucinations" stopped for
>ten years.
> Now I hear voices again, deliberately, one at a time, on occasion two
>will visit, because they are relentless teachers and show no mercy but
>the pay-off is more than I could ever say. I have expereinced the most
>fascinating and frightening travelling of my energy body, all done at
>the hands of one inorganic or another.
You are the relentless teacher. You and life itself. Now you've experienced
some different interpretations, and so perhaps it is time to 'slip between the
cracks'.
You said that you take Prozac, if I recall. So you probably know that it
operates by affecting the levels of certain neurotransmitters in your brain. I
would recommend beginning with this clue...
> And now I still see things but because I have ordered my life and have
>attempted impeccability at all times, my visions are consice and to the
>point and show things that I could never know otherwise
"Impeccability" is pretty much the general idea behind every "path", and is
what an aware being comes to seek in ... life. It's not CC's idea. If you
have come to know things, the credit is yours. And if you have come to know
things, then you can come to know more. Consider the possibility that in order
to do that, you need to go beyond what Castaneda taught.
>(and sometimes
>intentionally deceptive, for I too, am an idiot, just like you Chris).
>This works for me as a survival tool. To know a plan of action without
>having to reason it out improves ones chance of success and survival
>immensley. And I need all the help I can get.
> So,in a final summation, those of you who worry about all the stupid
>lies that these clowns came up with, laugh and laugh alot because the
>joke is on you.
Perhaps some at the party have laughed all they feel is warranted at 'the
joke', and are now ready for further 'conversation'.
cr...@worldnet.att.net
> Hi Slider. Thanks for the pat on the back. I have to ask what the
> moniker "slider" means? Here in the states it is a baseball term, a
> particular type of pitch.
> About Chris? I promise I don't worry about him. I like him, he is so
> confused about what is and what isn't and this is such a concern that he
> has to reaffirm the reality that has been given to him. It is a constant
> chore for him and he desperately needs confirmation so he doesn't feel
> so rudderless.
>
> Emilio
Really? It was me that started to question on January 1998. It's on
the
record amigo. For 18 months I have been hammering on different people.
I didn't do it so I would convince myself. Perhaps I am a little to
hard
on shorty and shorty's putas. The only thing I am confused about is why
people did not want to believe what my informant had to say? I really
don't get it. How could people NOT believe someone who had been in the
heart of shorty's party for some ten years? If Kylie herself came
forward
now with all the details would you believe her? How about Joni Barker?
:)
Emilio
CalixtoM wrote:
>
> Emilio siz...@buzz.net writes:
>
> >> http://www.sustainedaction.org/
>
> > My own father
> >was a habitual liar, harmless, but it used to infuriate me, when I
> >thought that I deserved more from my father than that(read:
> >self-important).
>
> 'Deserved' is the possibly misguided word. Who can say what anyone 'deserves'?
> Perhaps a simple shift to 'wanted' rather than 'thought that I deserved'?
Not necessary. I could have said "expected", it doesn't matter does it?
It was just an expression that was convenient at the time I wrote it.
Now I don't care either way whether my father lies or he doesn't lie, it
is his problem. I now have lost the urge to control things or have
particular expections, I am much less disappointed this way.
>
> > It only made me sad and lose all respect for him and
> >ashamed that he was that insecure that he had to invent things about
> >himself and the world to raise himself in front of others eyes. And of
> >course we all know what the Bible says about the love of money.
>
> Then there is also attachment to notoriety, influence, ego, sexual conquest,
> etc. to contend with. And ... when you 'lost respect' for him, you couldn't
> really 'follow' him any more, could you?
LOL. I was speaking of my father, not Carlos. Carlos was a human being
filled with foibles, if you folks are looking for a saint, look
elsewhere, you won't find it there.
>
> > The comparisons of Guireff and sorcery were interesting but the
> >suggested final analysis that Carlos and his fictional don Juan were
> >plagirising it is disregarding the distinct possibility that there is a
> >sychronicity in the fact that dreaming and the dreaming body exist.
>
> "Don Juan" and "dreaming" are completely separate issues, for, as you yourself
> note, many paths include some form of "dreaming".
No. Don Juan is a dreamer, who is still "out there"(where ever that is).
On another note, I read your piece on the physical laws which negate
anything about the energy body and the dreaming attention, very well
written but the known physical laws that science has uncovered have
barely touched the surface of what this amazing world has to offer.
Don't let them limit your view.
>
> > I'm
> >sure of it. It is a universal energetic fact, as they would say. It has
> >been described AND experienced by thousands of practioners(shamans) in
> >many different parts of the world and many different and distant
> >cultures. The level of sophistication and the pragmatism of its
> >instruction varies from group to group.
>
> Whatever the true story on dreaming, in light of what's been uncovered, *why*
> fixate on CC's take? Consider the possibility that your experience of a praxis
> which can be molded to fit one's expectations has been unduly influenced by the
> suggestions of someone who would simply make up shit at the drop of a hat.
Did he lie to you? You poor baby.
>
> > For me, he hit the nail on the head in his descriptions of the
> >inorganics and the voice of seeing. Two things that I experienced long
> >before he wrote about them in the detail of his 1980 books and the Art
> >Of Dreaming.
>
> Consider the possibility that you fit your experiences into CC's
> interpretation, just as before you fit your experiences into the
> interpretations of doctors. Consider the possibility that *neither*
> interpretation was accurate.
The experiences were both the same. The difference was the description
and my usage of them. Having a distorted tonal and cleaning it up made
all the difference in the world. And when I began to have visions again
and heard a voice, I worried very much that I was losing my mind again.
But I didn't. I followed a different route and found out that something
entirely out of the context of western thought and belief exists. And
what happened to me, happened against my wishes or desires. I would
have much prefered a normal life, but it was not my choice.
>
> > Until those books came out, I believed the doctors and the
> >scientists who insisted that my bouts with schizophrenia, the visions,
> >the voices, were only a product of a diseased mind. My own insistence of
> >overcoming that, was due to the fact that my main interest at that time
> >was psychology and also at one point I finallly realized what a burden I
> >was becoming to my friends and family. The "hallucinations" stopped for
> >ten years.
> > Now I hear voices again, deliberately, one at a time, on occasion two
> >will visit, because they are relentless teachers and show no mercy but
> >the pay-off is more than I could ever say. I have expereinced the most
> >fascinating and frightening travelling of my energy body, all done at
> >the hands of one inorganic or another.
>
> You are the relentless teacher. You and life itself. Now you've experienced
> some different interpretations, and so perhaps it is time to 'slip between the
> cracks'.
You are trying to define me in your terms to fit your solutions to
things. You can't be in control of everything, let go.
>
> You said that you take Prozac, if I recall. So you probably know that it
> operates by affecting the levels of certain neurotransmitters in your brain. I
> would recommend beginning with this clue...
The prozac and atenolol are medications I take because my body has a few
problems with producing certain chemicals. I suffered from depression
from a young age and in my twenties, I made matters worse by seriously
indulging in cocaine and alcohol. My body became incapable of producing
serotonin and began to create excessive amounts of adrenaline which
caused a mild heart arrhythmia. Neither has anything to do with seeing
or dreaming. I did both when I was a miserable wretch and now that I am
happy as a lark.
>
> > And now I still see things but because I have ordered my life and have
> >attempted impeccability at all times, my visions are consice and to the
> >point and show things that I could never know otherwise
>
> "Impeccability" is pretty much the general idea behind every "path", and is
> what an aware being comes to seek in ... life. It's not CC's idea. If you
> have come to know things, the credit is yours. And if you have come to know
> things, then you can come to know more. Consider the possibility that in order
> to do that, you need to go beyond what Castaneda taught.
I am fine with what Carlos wrote. He's not ruining my life. And
Tensegrity doesn't bother me at all. I don't do it, but the seminars
that I happen to catch from time to time are a lot of fun. I wish them
the best of luck, they have incredible guts to try and pull off what
they are attempting.
>
> >(and sometimes
> >intentionally deceptive, for I too, am an idiot, just like you Chris).
> >This works for me as a survival tool. To know a plan of action without
> >having to reason it out improves ones chance of success and survival
> >immensley. And I need all the help I can get.
> > So,in a final summation, those of you who worry about all the stupid
> >lies that these clowns came up with, laugh and laugh alot because the
> >joke is on you.
>
> Perhaps some at the party have laughed all they feel is warranted at 'the
> joke', and are now ready for further 'conversation'.
Perhaps. I don't know. What I do know is that infinity is here now and
personally accessible, stop being an idiot, worrying about making all
the pieces fit into a rational picture, because I'll tell you a secret,
there isn't one.
Emilio
#|8^} >
cr...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
girlies come in both sexes,
get some prison romance novels,
you have crashed into a barrier, no more or less. it is called
'the barrier of the imortal genius'
even in your language I could show up your tedius aberations for what they
are, but is it worth it?
CalixtoM
It is becoming more and more fascinating to watch the way people simply ignore
major points in order to hang onto cherished illusions. I have always felt
that it was a bit of a shame that I did not have time to spend long enough with
each individual in order to bring them to the point where they would be
*forced* to abandon nonsense. But there is clearly no way to do that. One
thing that was said to me by Emilio was wise, when he reminded me to notice
that I can't control everything. When someone has played their favorite scene
in the holodeck long enough to be *convinced* it is "reality", then it is just
damned near impossible to dissuade them and I need to learn to accept that.
This is leading me to the same conclusion I have approached on many occasions
in the past: that it might be best just to say whatever can be said, and then
calmly watch it all bounce off the bullet-proof belief systems out there,
without ever resorting to argumentation at the individual level or allowing
anyone to entice me to descending into the usual unproductive quagmire that
pervades the newsgroup --- (Calixto gasps for breath) doing so in the belief
that there will be a few with ears to hear, and perhaps a few more who
unconsciously absorb a few bits and pieces. This time, I hope to finally be
able to go that route, at least to a much greater extent than before... Oh
Allah, grant that I may simply say what I mean to say in ADC without spending
time in wasteful knock-down drag-outs with the spiritual hounds of winter who
babble here!
I just don't have the time for the rest. So ... would you people consider
letting me get away with a simple economical gesture? Hows about ... if I can
just issue a standing generic 'FUCK YOU' to anyone here who tries to distract
me --- with personal potshots --- from the articles on real issues that I
greatly prefer to write and post? Would that be okay? Good, or fuck you, as
the case may be.
cr...@worldnet.att.net
> girlies come in both sexes,
> get some prison romance novels,
> you have crashed into a barrier, no more or less. it is called
> 'the barrier of the imortal genius'
> even in your language I could show up your tedius aberations for what they
> are, but is it worth it?
Not hardly, why bother? But you keep dreamin' though.
One of these nights you'll get it right until then enjoy
your nightmare, afterall it's YOURS. :)
Rainbowbird
>
> The experiences were both the same. The difference was the description
> and my usage of them. Having a distorted tonal and cleaning it up made
> all the difference in the world. And when I began to have visions again
> and heard a voice, I worried very much that I was losing my mind again.
> But I didn't. I followed a different route and found out that something
> entirely out of the context of western thought and belief exists. And
> what happened to me, happened against my wishes or desires. I would
> have much prefered a normal life, but it was not my choice.
You made dreaming your mainfocus because you had to.
It was the same for me, even if I come from a different direction.
To many of us, all we have gathered in knowledge, was after we were
swimming in the twilightzone already.
How much pain comes with it not comprehensible for people,
that have not been there and got the T-shirt.
In my case, I had to find a way not to see death arriving anymore.
In my case, they ask the question if such a thing as remote viewing exists, while I
was confronted talking to people, of which I know they are dying.
And what to say to the mother of a 3 year old child, that hasn't even discovered yet
that she has cancer? What to say to your beloved neighbor, that drinks sherry with
you,
while you are having a waking dream of her death?
What to say to a friend who's husband is in hospital after a difficult operation,
happy that all is well.
and you know that it is not true and complication will take moths to recover?
And what to do if you see your daughter having an accident, and an hour later she is
in surgery?
Just a few from my house of horrors collection.
None of my waking dreams have not come true.
And I am happy, that now I am in a state, where they don't get me by surprise
anymore.
Why I am that way. It is in our family. It is in our genes.
So what about the "crazy" people, with whom I share other dreams?
I am crazy too, but I pass every test as normal,
only because I have a stronger wall, between first and second attention.
Yet I have been in the twilightzone for days in a row, also fearing that I would
loose my mind.
Walking in a world, where I had to avoid people, because I heard their thoughts as
voices.
And I nearly broke,because of all the pain, fear and hopelessness around me.
But I had my guides and spirit and could get away from the noise and learn more.
And for that more, it was worth suffering.
And it is hard for some people to understand, that we didn't have a choice.
It is hard to understand that we are not only filled with some intellectual
curiosity or a spiritual need, but that we are confronted with our life itself, when
we say
Dreaming.
And because of that, we will stay separated by semantics until they get
it:)
And they won't unless they dare to dream beyond : I see my body in my bed thing.
Until then we are the asteroids mongoloids and as it looks, we will take over the
world.
So what do you say..how about milkshakes with hurra-pills?
RBB
StarkRandy
"Oh, Allah, grant that I may simply say what I mean to say in ADC without
spending time in wasteful knock-down drag-outs with the spiritual hounds of
winter who babble here!"
'Spiritual hounds of winter'? Where the hell did that come from?
CM:
"I just don't have the time for the rest. So ... would you people consider
letting me get away with a simple economical gesture?"
Go for it, free world.
CM:
"Hows about ... if I can just issue a standing generic 'FUCK YOU' to anyone
here who tries to distract me --- with personal potshots --- from the articles
on real issues that I greatly prefer to write and post? Would that be okay?"
Sure.
CM:
"Good, or fuck you, as the case may be."
Okay . . . feel better?
On with THE BIG DISCUSSION!!!
Cat
StarkRandy wrote:
> Calixto (sic) Muni:
> "Oh, Allah, grant that I may simply say what I mean to say in ADC without
> spending time in wasteful knock-down drag-outs with the spiritual hounds of
> winter who babble here!"
>
> 'Spiritual hounds of winter'? Where the hell did that come from?
I love it Stark!!!!
Let's call all the ADCers who come out when the northern winds blow, the Spiritual
Hounds of Winder, from now on.
Sounds so powerful and ominous, not like the usual nincompoopery of ADC folks.
Carry on bickering now gents...oh btw, I agree with you wishing your personal name
and personal email not spread all over the public eye Calixto M, but boy, do you
like to scrap.
>
>
> CM:
> "I just don't have the time for the rest. So ... would you people consider
> letting me get away with a simple economical gesture?"
>
> Go for it, free world.
>
> CM:
> "Hows about ... if I can just issue a standing generic 'FUCK YOU' to anyone
> here who tries to distract me --- with personal potshots --- from the articles
> on real issues that I greatly prefer to write and post? Would that be okay?"
>
> Sure.
>
> CM:
> "Good, or fuck you, as the case may be."
>
> Okay . . . feel better?
>
> On with THE BIG DISCUSSION!!!
I missed THE BIG DISCUSSION, but I got the small point.
Cat
Cat
Cat wrote:
> Let's call all the ADCers who come out when the northern winds blow, the Spiritual
> Hounds of Winder, from now on.
I also love my typos, so now we have a choice of The Spiritual Hounds of Winter, or
The Spiritual Hounds of Winder.
Variety is the spice of life.
Cat
Thom
I'll put all my fish sticks on the Spiritual Hounds of Winder! My how the Spirit speaks
through you!
Thom
(couldn't resist)
Emilio
Rainbowbird wrote:
>
> Emilio wrote:
>
> >
> > The experiences were both the same. The difference was the description
> > and my usage of them. Having a distorted tonal and cleaning it up made
> > all the difference in the world. And when I began to have visions again
> > and heard a voice, I worried very much that I was losing my mind again.
> > But I didn't. I followed a different route and found out that something
> > entirely out of the context of western thought and belief exists. And
> > what happened to me, happened against my wishes or desires. I would
> > have much prefered a normal life, but it was not my choice.
>
> You made dreaming your mainfocus because you had to.
> It was the same for me, even if I come from a different direction.
> To many of us, all we have gathered in knowledge, was after we were
> swimming in the twilightzone already.
Yes. I remember times from my childhood, I was practically autistic and
would awake from a dream and could not tell whether I was still dreaming
or awake. I would wonder about this for days on end, was I still in that
dream that was so vividly real.
> How much pain comes with it not comprehensible for people,
> that have not been there and got the T-shirt.
Cleargreen sells them, you didn't buy one? Neither did I.
> In my case, I had to find a way not to see death arriving anymore.
> In my case, they ask the question if such a thing as remote viewing exists, while I
> was confronted talking to people, of which I know they are dying.
> And what to say to the mother of a 3 year old child, that hasn't even discovered yet
> that she has cancer? What to say to your beloved neighbor, that drinks sherry with
> you,
> while you are having a waking dream of her death?
> What to say to a friend who's husband is in hospital after a difficult operation,
> happy that all is well.
> and you know that it is not true and complication will take moths to recover?
> And what to do if you see your daughter having an accident, and an hour later she is
> in surgery?
> Just a few from my house of horrors collection.
Strange how death rides with you, telling you its secrets. The only time
I was face to face with death is when it turned around in the hearse
that it was driving me in, leered at me quite sinisterly and said "If
you don't stop smoking you will die". I finally quit but still miss it.
And I'm still going to die. :-)
> None of my waking dreams have not come true.
> And I am happy, that now I am in a state, where they don't get me by surprise
> anymore.
You must have finally accepted death as inevitable instead of thinking
it was some kind of unfair penalty.
>
> Why I am that way. It is in our family. It is in our genes.
> So what about the "crazy" people, with whom I share other dreams?
> I am crazy too, but I pass every test as normal,
> only because I have a stronger wall, between first and second attention.
> Yet I have been in the twilightzone for days in a row, also fearing that I would
> loose my mind.
> Walking in a world, where I had to avoid people, because I heard their thoughts as
> voices.
Ditto. On occasion I still do but it doesn't bother me, it guides me in
my interaction with them. My vaporous friends have no manners at all.
> And I nearly broke,because of all the pain, fear and hopelessness around me.
> But I had my guides and spirit and could get away from the noise and learn more.
> And for that more, it was worth suffering.
Right. But the screaming rage of losing that grip on reality is a
horrible fright, the body senses it long before the mind can think about
it, that is what prevents most people around these parts from making
this stuff work for them. They are under the impression that one can
become a seer without losing who they are, it is a price they don't want
to pay.
>
> And it is hard for some people to understand, that we didn't have a choice.
> It is hard to understand that we are not only filled with some intellectual
> curiosity or a spiritual need, but that we are confronted with our life itself, when
> we say
> Dreaming.
> And because of that, we will stay separated by semantics until they get
> it:)
Bingo. I like to see more than I like to dream. It is the mystery
itself.
> And they won't unless they dare to dream beyond : I see my body in my bed thing.
> Until then we are the asteroids mongoloids and as it looks, we will take over the
> world.
LOL. Hardly, we'll be lucky if we make it out alive.
> So what do you say..how about milkshakes with hurra-pills?
If you're buying, I'm flying.
Emilio
GILGAMESH
>
> Cat wrote:
>
> > Let's call all the ADCers who come out when the northern winds blow, the Spiritual
> > Hounds of Winder, from now on.
>
> The Spiritual Hounds of Winder.
>
> Variety is the spice of life.
>
> Cat
Chimp uses laptop to 'talk' to humans
By Roger Highfield
A FEMALE chimpanzee has constructed a sentence using the voice of a
male scientist in a new demonstration of the language skills of apes.
Panbanisha, a 14-year-old bonobo pigmy chimpanzee, her one-year-old son
Nyota, and a 19-year-old male bonobo, Kanzi, are equipped with a laptop
computer and a voice synthesiser programmed with the speech of Bill
Fields, a 49-year-old research associate at the Language Research
Centre at Georgia State University, a 60-acre laboratory near Atlanta.
The ability of two chimpanzees to construct "sentences" will provide
ammunition for advocates of ape intelligence in an increasingly bitter
dispute. Some sceptics argue that animal language experiments are
motivated by ideological reasons linked with the animal rights movement.
And Dr Noam Chomsky, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology linguist
who put forward the theory that language is innate and unique to people,
once said that attempting to teach linguistic skills to animals is like
trying to teach humans to flap their arms and fly.
For three decades Prof Sue Savage-Rumbaugh and her husband, Prof Duane
Rumbaugh, have been trying to do the impossible with apes at the
research centre.
But yesterday, Dr Savage-Rumbaugh said that when a human observer takes
the speech made by the bonobos using the voice synthesiser, along with
ape sounds and gestures, they put together surprisingly complex messages.
"We are seeing some sentences put together for the first time that are
very different from the kind of things that they have been able to do
before," she said.
Her work has been recognised with the award of a three-year grant from
the US National Institute of Health to study the ability of apes to
communicate vocally, using a special keyboard, and by drawings.
Prof Savage-Rumbaugh and her colleagues have modified a keyboard, of
the kind used to teach severely retarded children to communicate, for
the experiment. The keyboard has 400 keys, each with a symbol.
Kanzi and Panbanisha use a vocabulary of about 250 words and can
understand between 2,000 and 3,000. Great things are expected of
Panbanisha's baby Nyota, who is more advanced than his mother was at
the same age.
"The new keyboard now has more words on it," said Prof
Savage-Rumbaugh. "It has words like 'and' and 'the' and 'it',
grammatical function words that we did not initially think they could
use in their conversation. We now have those words available and they
are starting to use them a little bit. We still have a tremendous amount
of work to do to document their abilities scientifically."
Prof Savage-Rumbaugh described how in the past week she was teaching
Kanzi some of the symbols on the keyboard and linking them with words
that he knew, such as "me". After several attempts, "he looked at me in
an exasperated way and said: 'I write, give grape.' "
Kanzi is known to understand the English for "I" and "write" but "I did
not know he knew the written version and how to point to them. It was
very surprising that he could make such a long construction. Kanzi is
perfectly capable of talking about what he wants to happen tomorrow,"
she said. "He is capable of answering questions about what happened
yesterday. He is capable of talking about where he wants people to hide,
or games he wants to play."
In the Twenties, experiments by Robert Yerkes established that
chimpanzees could not learn speech. The various reasons given for this
ranged from their lack of intelligence to a vocal tract different from
the human version.
In the mid-Sixties an infant chimpanzee named Washoe was taught sign
language. But on closer examination, scientists found strong evidence
that Washoe and the provocatively named Nim Chimpsky probably learnt to
please their teachers by contorting their hands into all kinds of
configurations. And the human trainers, searching for examples of
communication, thought they saw words, a charge of overinterpretation
that is often made by critics.
In a widely quoted paper in the journal Science, "Can an Ape Create a
Sentence?" even Nim Chimpsky's trainer, Dr Herbert Terrace, a Columbia
University psychologist, reluctantly concluded that the answer was no.
Critics also point out that many of the utterances of apes are demands
for immediate rewards such as food.
Labelling a button with a symbol or calling it a word does not
necessarily make it language when an ape pushes it: they may not have
learnt anything more sophisticated than how to press the right button
in order to get the hairless apes on the other side of the console to
dole out bananas and other food.
Prof Savage-Rumbaugh says that the food fixation of her apes says more
about their environment than their abilities. To encourage them to be
more human, she provides her charges with many luxuries, such as
television.
"Of the movies we buy, they really like films about human beings trying
to relate to some kind of ape-like creatures," she said. "So they like
Tarzan, Iceman, Quest for Fire and the Clint Eastwood movies with the
orang-utan."
She believes that there is a huge capacity on the part of apes and
probably other animals that is being ignored. "By ignoring it, we are
separating ourselves from the natural world we've evolved from. The
bonobos are a real bridge to that world."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=001430519941234&rtmo=Vw6sSk6K&atmo=99999999&pg=/et/99/7/26/wape26.html
__________________
> URHANIBAI wrote:
>
> > Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The word of Sin is Restriction....
> > >
> > > Have you ever posted anything that made sense?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Carpe Diem
> >
> >
> >
> > Okay... just what the hell is all this trivial bullshit about anyway?!
> > _______________________________
> > ACC TO US WEB/CKS: "STAY AWAY!"
> >
> > : ACC TO US WEB/CKS: "STAY AWAY!" Computer company bans US WEB
> > : personnel from its business.
> >
> > : July 25, 1999 (For Immediate Distribution)
> > : C R A N F O R D, N J.
> > : Related website: http://accpc.com
> >
> > : In a brief statement today, Corporate Security at American Computer Company
> > : issued a public demand that US WEB / CKS and all of its employees, agents,
> > : representatives, heirs and assigns, and contractors, subsidiaries, and
> > : affiliates to stay away from its computers systems, Forums and Web
> > : Bulletin Boards and to cease and desist all activities in connection with
> > : American Computer Company.
> >
> > : The brief statement, which also applies to any seminar participants, forum
> > : leaders, seminar directors, production teams, and related volunteers
> > : associated with US WEB / CKS and any of its FRANCHISEES, along with their
> > : employees, agents, representatives, heirs and assigns, contractors,
> > : subsidiaries, and affiliates, indicated that a Court Order will be sought
> > : within the next two weeks directing US WEB / CKS to cease and desist, and
> > : that US WEB / CKS will be given a chance to answer specifics at that time.
> >
> > : A spokesperson for American Computer declined further comment. All inquiries
> > : may be addressed to the company's counsel through its headquarters, in
> > : writing only.
> >
> > : American Computer Company is located at: ACC 6 Commerce Drive Cranford, NJ
> > : 07016 909-272-3330
> >
> > : ==============================
> >
> > : Sandy
> >
> > DOES ISUR.COM recruit people who seek to find ANY POSSIBLE MEANS
> > to DEBUNK & ATTACK figures and other people within the UFO Community?
> > Or is its purpose even more sinister?
> >
> > Posted By: [Avatar]
> > Date: Monday, 26 July 1999, at 8:55 p.m.
> >
> > ISUR.COM has fallen under scrutiny here in the last week, because it has
> > been linked to David Norris, its founder, who is also with USWEB/CKS,
> > Joe Firmage's "former" company, which Joe continues on leveraging in his
> > alleged "pursuit" of "the truth" about aliens.
> >
> > It has been suggested that ISUR.COM is just a recruitment front for people
> > aligned in harrassing and expressing hatred towards figures and subjects in
> > the UFO Community. It's recently been suggested that in his financial support,
> > for six months, of Robert AM Stephens, who was sued by Art Bell, the highly
> > successful and popular nite time Radio Talk Show Host, and his sharing of
> > opinions that demeaned Bell's show, and and what appeared to be a tendancy
> > to support David Oates and Stephens in various forays into mindless shark
> > attacks on Art Bell, and also in that he supported another character
> > assassination, an attack on Richard Hoagland which lasted for several months,
> > that Joe Firmage shares in this "mission" with David Norris and ISUR.COM.
> >
> > It appears to me that ISUR.COM 'investigators' and their 'leadership', share an
> > common unfettered compulsion: a need to engage in web and publicity onslought
> > towards those engaging in the otherwise innocent pursuit of a hobby or the
> > serious profession of studying the ins and outs of the UFO-logy medium, despite
> > the fact that same is protected under the 1st Ammendment of the Constitution,
> > and the libelous defamation and anonymous slander and harmful punition of
> > UFO-logists IS NOT and is probably a crime. In most cases, the practitioners
> > seem to also interlace some form of fundamentalist perspective of religion,
> > intermingled with their free form hate-speech.
> >
> > Among those who've either participated in the chats on ISUR or are actual
> > investigators, ACC has experienced attacks from about 14 individuals related
> > thereto, in fact four or five of the participants, along with two or three
> > wanderflugels (associated parties) continue to harass ACC on the Internet
> > to this very day, using haven spams ranging from "Anal...@aol.com" to
> > Zetatalk.com, to Riskers.org (recently closed and repointed), to UFOMIND.com
> > to other pages, all engaging in free form lying and uncontrolled defamaiton
> > and libel.
> >
> > For several years, ISUR maintained chat rooms (which we believe have gone under
> > covers behind a locked 'sub website' that you must be an "Isur" appointed and
> > certified "investigator" to participate in.) in which topics coincident to these
> > attacks became orgiastic frenzies of hate mongering, death threats and just about
> > every other form of harassment.
> >
> > In the case of ISUR, the "devil" from christianity, and the "angel" from
> > christianity, appear to surface: the INT (innerterrestrials -demons or angels
> > from God) are suggested to actually be behind all the crop circles, sightings,
> > abductions and cattle mutilations.
> > This tends to reflect the actual agenda of ISSO.ORG, if you recall Firmage on
> > Television talking about how Angels are the "actual ancient aliens", this
> > strange, religious orientation, seems to fundament itself INTO this particular
> > "strangelet of mind" group, that also seems to span Firmage and his sites and
> > ISUR.ORG. It is a truly strange group mind view.
> >
> > ISUR.COM represents a tantalizing glimpse at the CULT methods of
> > "carrot dangling" and "selective recruitment" which appears to suggest
> > that ISUR.COM carefully screens all applicants to make CERTAIN that
> > they are politically aligned with ISUR.COM and will subordinate them to
> > its whims, almost like a supremecist cult. ISUR.COM claims to maintain
> > a worldwide network of people who it seems to suggest are "the elite"
> > of UFO Investigation.
> >
> > The most telling RECRUITMENT PAGE from ISUR.COM, reproduced here
> > for discussion purposes only, may be EXAMINED by clicking the below link:
> >
> > ISUR INVESTIGATOR "RECRUITMENT" Page:
> > http://byamerican.com/isur/isur_investigator_info.html
> > =========================================================
> >
> > Fir Mage on Jeff Rense's "Sightings"
> >
> > Date: Tuesday, 27 July 1999, at 2:05 a.m.
> >
> > In Response To: Re: DOES ISUR.COM recruit people who DEBUNK &
> > ATTACK people within the UFO Community? Or more sinister? (Ben)
> >
> > Josepi Pi Fir Mage's recently mass-emailed epistle, quoted in
> > its entirety:
> >
> > "ISSO Update
> >
> > "Hello all,
> >
> > "It gives me great pleasure to announce that on July 28, 1999,
> > the International Space Sciences Organization will officially be
> > launched. I'll be giving the launch presentation through a national
> > radio broadcast from 8 pm to 10 pm Pacific, as a guest of Jeff
> > Rense's Sightings program. Please plan on visiting the ISSO web
> > site at www.ISSO.org on that date for further details. Station
> > listings by city will be provided, and the transmission will also
> > be available on Broadcast.com.
> >
> > "Also, I'd like to bring your attention to two outstanding books
> > recently published.
> >
> > "The first is The Marriage of Sense and Soul, by Ken Wilber.
> >
> > "Ken is one of the world's most perceptive and lucid philosophers,
> > and his writings are sure to be remembered for decades, perhaps
> > centuries, to come.
> >
> > "In Sense and Soul, Wilber takes the reader through an excellent
> > philosophical discussion of the ontological paradigms of science
> > and religion, and reaches for the conclusion which represents one
> > of the fundamental assertions of my own writings: that science and
> > various traditions of spirituality, however imperfectly
> > institutionalized over time, represent essential and complementary
> > aspects of being.
> >
> > "As readers of my writings know, I believe that science measures and
> > spirit experiences the same ontological unity. Wilber describes more
> > completely than I have thus far a very similar worldview.
> >
> > "The second title I'd recommend you pick up is Future War: Non-Lethal
> > Weapons in Twenty-First-Century Warfare, by John Alexander.
> >
> > "The correlation between my writings and Alexander's rests in the
> > idea that the realization of the sweeping visions that are now
> > becoming plausible for 21st Century society require that we pursue
> > real, tangible steps to end the endemic human propensity for use of
> > force in conflict resolution. If mankind is to evolve on a Cosmic
> > stage and interact with lifeforms advanced perhaps millions or
> > billions of years beyond homo sapiens, we must change our persistent
> > pattern of aggressive behavior. Until there is a fundamental shift in
> > consciousness, no amount of wishing is going to stop conflicts.
> >
> > "No longer a voice in the wilderness, Alexander's work has received
> > the endorsement of many senior military officials. Popular authors,
> > such as Tom Clancy and Michael Crichton have inculcated Alexander's
> > concepts in their books, thus influencing public opinion. Future War
> > contains the first foreword that Tom Clancy has written. Drafted in
> > 1997, Future War prophetically described the events at Columbine High
> > with uncanny accuracy. Other events are coming to pass. To know our
> > intermediate future I recommend you read this authoritative work.
> >
> > "Having had the opportunity to visit with senior officials from every
> > branch of our military, I can state with the highest degree of confidence
> > that the use of military force characterized by 20th Century conflicts
> > cannot be presumed to be effective in dealing with the fundamental threats
> > of the future. As technology improves the individual's ability to project
> > mass lethal force through chemical, biological, and even nuclear means,
> > the strategic landscape which underlies military charters fundamentally
> > changes. The focus for the investment of our resources sharpens where it
> > has always been directed, but now with far greater intensity: individual
> > ethics and education worldwide -- things no machine of war can ever
> > ultimately deliver.
> >
> > "Of course, it's easier for human beings to live peacefully with each
> > other when their aspirations are given the freedom to soar beyond conflict
> > and materialism, as the 30th anniversary of the greatest achievement in
> > human history should remind us.
> >
> > "With that kind of vision as the high water mark to guide us,
> > we're hard at work...
> >
> > "Best regards,
> >
> > "Joe Firmage
> > __________________________________________
> >
> > "Chairman, Int'l Space Sciences Organization"
> > __________________________________________
> >
> > -E N D-
> >
> > Everyone, please extinguish all neg-memes, reboot your brains,
> > and return your minds to their original upright positions.
> > Thank you for breathing Earth Atmosphere Oxygen Air Lines.
> >
> > Jeff Rense's "Sightings":
> > http://www.sightings.com/
>
> What goes on at a rendering plant?
>
> Rendering plants act as an animal disposal unit for dead
> livestock. Instead of burning and disposing of dead
> animals, they are converted to animal feeds. I visited the
> Avon plant in 1993 and witnessed this process, where
> nothing is wasted.
> Area farmers and ranchers are invited to drop off any
> dead farm animal. The animals are crushed up in large
> mulchers and poured into enormous high pressure vats
> where they are cooked into multi-animal stew. The stew
> is further processed until it is packaged and sold to area
> farmers as livestock feed.
> I've witnessed pigs, goats, cows and horses brought to
> rendering plants. The animals were in various conditions.
> Some had been dead for over 24 hours, yet were still
> rendered into livestock feed. None of these animals are
> checked for disease or illness before they enter the food
> chain. Shockingly, many cows that been found
> "mutilated", ( missing various glands, tissue and organs)
> were brought to these rendering factories and processed
> into food for their still living relatives. I was shocked, but
> unlike Great Britain which has had protections against
> such practices since 1989, there are no such guidelines
> here in the United States.
>
> From: Dead Cows I've Known
> By Ted Oliphant III.
> Copyright 1997, all rights reserved
> http://www.isur.com/articles/deadcow1.html
Cat
Thom wrote:
> Meow!
>
> I'll put all my fish sticks on the Spiritual Hounds of Winder! My how the Spirit speaks
> through you!
>
> Thom
> (couldn't resist)
Oh I spotted the typo too Thom. Hey, I do it on purpose, didn't you know that?
Yes, it's totally amazing how the spirit just babbles it's little head off through me, isn't
it?
;D
But that's Moi for you.
Cat
Salmon Sense
>
> Chimp uses laptop to 'talk' to humans
> By Roger Highfield
>
> A FEMALE chimpanzee has constructed a sentence using the voice of a
> male scientist in a new demonstration of the language skills of apes.
>
> She believes that there is a huge capacity on the part of apes and
> probably other animals that is being ignored. "By ignoring it, we are
> separating ourselves from the natural world we've evolved from. The
> bonobos are a real bridge to that world."
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=001430519941234&rtmo=Vw6sSk6K&atmo=99999999&pg=/et/99/7/26/wape26.html
> __________________
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay... just what the hell is all this trivial bullshit about anyway?!
> > > _______________________________
> > > ACC TO US WEB/CKS: "STAY AWAY!"
> > >
> > > : ACC TO US WEB/CKS: "STAY AWAY!" Computer company bans US WEB
> > > : personnel from its business.
> > >
> > > : July 25, 1999 (For Immediate Distribution)
> > > : C R A N F O R D, N J.
> > > : Related website: http://accpc.com
> > >
> > > ISUR INVESTIGATOR "RECRUITMENT" Page:
> > > http://byamerican.com/isur/isur_investigator_info.html
> > > =========================================================
> > >
> > > Fir Mage on Jeff Rense's "Sightings"
> > >
> > > Date: Tuesday, 27 July 1999, at 2:05 a.m.
> > >
> > > In Response To: Re: DOES ISUR.COM recruit people who DEBUNK &
> > > ATTACK people within the UFO Community? Or more sinister? (Ben)
> > >
> > > Josepi Pi Fir Mage's recently mass-emailed epistle, quoted in
> > > its entirety:
> > >
> > > "ISSO Update
> > >
> > > "Hello all,
> > >
> > > "It gives me great pleasure to announce that on July 28, 1999,
> > > the International Space Sciences Organization will officially be
> > > launched. I'll be giving the launch presentation through a national
> > > radio broadcast from 8 pm to 10 pm Pacific, as a guest of Jeff
> > > Rense's Sightings program. Please plan on visiting the ISSO web
> > > site at www.ISSO.org on that date for further details. Station
> > > listings by city will be provided, and the transmission will also
> > > be available on Broadcast.com.
> > > "With that kind of vision as the high water mark to guide us,
> > > we're hard at work...
> > >
> > > "Best regards,
> > >
> > > "Joe Firmage
> > > __________________________________________
> > >
> > > "Chairman, Int'l Space Sciences Organization"
> > > __________________________________________
> > >
> > > -E N D-
> > >
> > > Everyone, please extinguish all neg-memes, reboot your brains,
> > > and return your minds to their original upright positions.
> > > Thank you for breathing Earth Atmosphere Oxygen Air Lines.
> > >
> > > Jeff Rense's "Sightings":
> > > http://www.sightings.com/
> >
> > What goes on at a rendering plant?
> > From: Dead Cows I've Known
> > By Ted Oliphant III.
> > Copyright 1997, all rights reserved
> > http://www.isur.com/articles/deadcow1.html
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Oh, and another thing, Joe... about that resume.
Posted By: Jack Shulman
Date: Monday, 26 July 1999, at 12:56 a.m.
In Response To: Huh? I said WHAT? Who's Press Release?? "Entertaining"
whom, by whom??? (Jack Shulman)
I think I will respond to you, with an Opinion...
Don't think anyone here is impressed by your Novell credentials,
US Web or Serius, Joe. Novell, who? US Web? The newspapers appear
to suggest that you tanked the job, for the sake of a book that
reads, in my opinion, like The Next Day at Steppenwolf, interpreted
by Col. Gaston Wilhelm Reich, no offense meant.
Gee, I'm so old, I can even remember when Netware was called StarLan,
and even before then, when AT&T first wrote it. 3.12 was about the only
thing that ever worked, and it didn't entirely work right, either, and
took too many floppies to install. God, lookout world, it was superceded
by 4.11...yikes. The company completely tanked it! All efforts to wake
up Frankenberg or Schmidt fell on deaf ears, after Ray left us.
1993-1995 were banner years, the years Novell went right down the tubes.
Novell was a big disappointment: they had it all, and they lost it, and
not particularly through any brilliance on Microsoft's part, in my opinion.
Novell seems to have became too impressed with their own BS. That's a real
big mistake to make, son. I am of the opinion that that same flaw reflects
in your web presence/personna: you have you're own people (Massey?) out
there extolling you as a so-called great leader, but you've never held a
job for much more than 2 years, according to your own on-the-web bio.
2 Years? I've had short contracts longer than that. Heck, I've had
headaches that were longer lasting than that!!!
In fact, my memory in the computer industry is longer than you are old.
As to Truth and Intend, I find your idea of a website graphically repulsive,
it appears to be religiously and factually immature, it seems very thin on
anything more than dogma and I am forced to reject your approach as entirely
without merit, you seem to have this Werner Erhard like belief that if you
"put it out there" you can make it real, so long as people believe its the
Truth? Naah, that's just the California Enlightenment Lobby talking, and it
holds no truck: the Universe could care less how many 'enlightened'
expressions you put on your website and link to technology clients' websites.
In the final analysis, the universe is like a river with a lot of rocks, and
you're rushing downstream, headed for rock, after rock, after rock.
Try not to collide with a rock, be the water and be nice to the rocks,
flow AROUND the rocks, rather than trying to smash your way through
them. For you are only 90 some odd percent water, and the rest of you
and your career will definitely not survive trying to smash your way
through a rock.
Jack (a/k/a rock)
: Joe Firmage: As to your two messages: I said and did nothing of the sort.
: I'd respond to you, if I gave a darn what you thought. But after getting past
: all the fancy graphics and reading "The Word is Truth".com, I
: realize that I really don't care what you think. I really don't!
: If what Belinda Parker is proposing in her Press Release, turns out to be
: true, then you'll get plenty of opportunity to respond. I'll gladly
: authorize the appropriate legal steps.
: For now, you and all of your US WEB/CKS'ers, including those overseas, stay
: the heck off our computers and Corporate Premises.
: We really don't want to hear from you!
: Jack
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DOES ISUR.COM recruit people who seek to find ANY POSSIBLE MEANS to DEBUNK &
ATTACK figures and other people within the UFO Community? Or is its purpose even more
sinister?
Andi Grissom [Avatar] -- Monday, 26 July 1999, at 8:55 p.m.
AN AI OPINION PIECE: This new religious fundamentalism and allegations of "the
Devil" behind abduction claims, and Ets...
Andi Grissom [Avatar] -- Monday, 26 July 1999, at 9:50 p.m.
orb communications
Pierz Newton-John -- Monday, 26 July 1999, at 4:12 a.m.
READ THIS: ACC to US WEB / CKS: "Stay Away!"
Sandy [Forum Avatar] -- Sunday, 25 July 1999, at 8:48 p.m.
$431,000 JUDGMENT awarded ACC against Malicious e-Terrorist(s)...
Sandy [Forum Avatar] -- Sunday, 25 July 1999, at 1:00 a.m.
Jack, did you see this...
Jim Cleary -- Saturday, 24 July 1999, at 4:30 p.m.
Its Nonsense, our Valkyrie is defect tolerant and ten times the size of Teramac...
Sandy [Forum Avatar] -- Saturday, 24 July 1999, at 6:34 p.m.
I want that calculator!!!!!!!
Sutter -- Monday, 26 July 1999, at 10:03 p.m.
There is a direct line..
Jack Shulman -- Tuesday, 27 July 1999, at 1:43 a.m.
I thought TCAP was supposed to be a processor
Sandia Bell -- Saturday, 24 July 1999, at 4:50 a.m.
One is quite enough. Why don't you use your real name? Here, I'll explain lengthy to you why one is quite
enough...
Jack Shulman -- Saturday, 24 July 1999, at 1:40 p.m.
Re: One is quite enough. Why don't you use your real name? Here, I'll explain lengthy to you why
one is quite enough...
ben -- Monday, 26 July 1999, at 12:13 p.m.
No
Jack Shulman -- Monday, 26 July 1999, at 7:45 p.m.
One is never enough
Sandia Bell -- Sunday, 25 July 1999, at 3:27 a.m.
Haven't you ever heard of MOTOROLA, NATIONAL SEMICONDUCTOR,
TEXAS INSTRUMENTS or AMD, HITACHI, etc?
Jack A. Shulman -- Sunday, 25 July 1999, at 12:15 p.m.
DUPLICATE - The American Computer Company Court CASE Docket and transcription of the JUDGMENT
of $431,000 AGAINST Lan Lamphere, etc.
Belinda Parker -- Friday, 23 July 1999, at 10:07 p.m.
Re: DUPLICATE - The American Computer Company Court CASE Docket and
transcription of the JUDGMENT of $431,000 AGAINST Lan Lamphere, etc.
Sandy [Forum Avatar] -- Saturday, 24 July 1999, at 1:54 a.m.
Re: DUPLICATE - The American Computer Company Court CASE Docket and transcription of
the JUDGMENT of $431,000 AGAINST Lan Lamphere, etc.
Joe Firmage -- Sunday, 25 July 1999, at 10:04 p.m.
To Quote you: "Its Patently Absurd", Joe, "that (you) have any interest in anything about
ACC"? You should put a piece of DUCT TAPE over your mouth: HERE's A COPY OF THE
EMAIL YOU SENT US, OH, a month or two ago... No interest? And you claim you stand for
the truth? I believe you lost sight of it long ago!!
Sandy Soze~ -- Monday, 26 July 1999, at 7:21 p.m.
Question about "Intend Change"...
Averal Rosenberg -- Sunday, 25 July 1999, at 11:58 p.m.
Huh? I said WHAT? Who's Press Release?? "Entertaining" whom, by
whom???
Jack Shulman -- Sunday, 25 July 1999, at 11:44 p.m.
Oh, and another thing, Joe... about that resume.
Jack Shulman -- Monday, 26 July 1999, at 12:56 a.m.
i have the proof that you backed stephens and oates - joe
Belinda Parker: joes guilty conscience...! -- Sunday, 25 July 1999, at 11:23 p.m.
..........SniP.
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Cat
Hey, can I TYPE!
Wow!
Cat
<I'm not a chimp, I'm a Cat!;>
CalixtoM
The phrase "Hounds of Winter" was lifted from a Sting song.
Rainbowbird
>
>
> Yes. I remember times from my childhood, I was practically autistic and
> would awake from a dream and could not tell whether I was still dreaming
> or awake. I would wonder about this for days on end, was I still in that
> dream that was so vividly real.
It is not possible for a kid to make a real distinction.
I had that too in waking life.
Like two realities intertwining in each other.
Happens still, have to remind me to snap out of the look.
Changes even proportions, colors and such.
Like I have two sets of eyes>:)And two pair of glasses for my second pair of eyes.
> How much pain comes with it not comprehensible for people,
> > that have not been there and got the T-shirt.
>
> Cleargreen sells them, you didn't buy one? Neither did I.
I would feel like a jerk in one of those.:)
Which I feel anyway.
Smokingstory I guess.
>
> > Just a few from my house of horrors collection.
>
> Strange how death rides with you, telling you its secrets. The only time
> I was face to face with death is when it turned around in the hearse
> that it was driving me in, leered at me quite sinisterly and said "If
> you don't stop smoking you will die". I finally quit but still miss it.
> And I'm still going to die. :-)
Actually your remark gave me this jolt of insight.
I never realized that.
How blind can a person be???:)
>
>
> > None of my waking dreams have not come true.
> > And I am happy, that now I am in a state, where they don't get me by surprise
> > anymore.
>
> You must have finally accepted death as inevitable instead of thinking
> it was some kind of unfair penalty.
I never thought that.
But after it came so heavily under my attention it started to be a sense of direction.
If you know what I mean.
I got the desire to become prepared for it.
Not out of fear, just a genuine wish to be prepared.
> >
> > Why I am that way. It is in our family. It is in our genes.
> > So what about the "crazy" people, with whom I share other dreams?
> > I am crazy too, but I pass every test as normal,
> > only because I have a stronger wall, between first and second attention.
> > Yet I have been in the twilightzone for days in a row, also fearing that I would
> > loose my mind.
> > Walking in a world, where I had to avoid people, because I heard their thoughts as
> > voices.
>
> Ditto. On occasion I still do but it doesn't bother me, it guides me in
> my interaction with them. My vaporous friends have no manners at all.
Really. I actually came to love that invisible veil that separates us.
And I maintain it as a means of protection.
I only lower it, if I want to, and than to a degree, that is very soft.
Mine does.. But to be honest, I think it is because of my temper.
He speaks only, when I am at total loss and cannot raise resistance and
am glad that he is there.
I assume a he, because it is a male voice.
Mostly communicates with thoughtimages.
I can discriminate because of the flashlight jolt and the direction
of which the image comes.
>
>
>
> > And I nearly broke,because of all the pain, fear and hopelessness around me.
> > But I had my guides and spirit and could get away from the noise and learn more.
> > And for that more, it was worth suffering.
>
> Right. But the screaming rage of losing that grip on reality is a
> horrible fright, the body senses it long before the mind can think about
> it, that is what prevents most people around these parts from making
> this stuff work for them. They are under the impression that one can
> become a seer without losing who they are, it is a price they don't want
> to pay.
With the loss of control, the ego is gone.
Scattered in many pieces.
Fears came that where beyond imagination.
And yes, the body does sense it and raises anything available to fight back.
Feels like neuron war.
Anything comes up that is buried not known not seen.
Never thought is was possible to drown in ones own shit.
Funny thing after you lost who you are, you still are.:)
That is if you don't hold on or fight back.
Still wondering in what brand of washingmachine they put me.
I was such a hardness dying.
>
>
> >
> > And it is hard for some people to understand, that we didn't have a choice.
> > It is hard to understand that we are not only filled with some intellectual
> > curiosity or a spiritual need, but that we are confronted with our life itself, when
> > we say
> > Dreaming.
> > And because of that, we will stay separated by semantics until they get
> > it:)
>
> Bingo. I like to see more than I like to dream. It is the mystery
> itself.
Mystery itself comes sacred. any glimpse elevates for days.
Yes i can understand.
I found that seeing and dreaming can go together, with some luck.
Have you?
>
>
> > And they won't unless they dare to dream beyond : I see my body in my bed thing.
> > Until then we are the asteroids mongoloids and as it looks, we will take over the
> > world.
>
> LOL. Hardly, we'll be lucky if we make it out alive.
Is there any other way to take over the world?
>
> If you're buying, I'm flying.
I know that is not an advertising for an airoplanecompany.
>
>
>
>
> Emilio
Rainbowbird
> And you got all this from my one little typo?!
>
> Hey, can I TYPE!
>
> Wow!
>
> Cat
> <I'm not a chimp, I'm a Cat!;>
>
I assume you are not a mutilated cow neither...........
RBB
GEESE
I have to skip the habit of reading it all.
Salmon Sense
>
> Cat wrote:
>
> > And you got all this from my one little typo?!
> >
> > Hey, can I TYPE!
> >
> > Wow!
> >
> > Cat
> > <I'm not a chimp, I'm a Cat!;>
> >
>
> RBB
>
> GEESE
> I have to skip the habit of reading it all.
Ms. Morrow wrote:
>
> BTW, no one should ever be confused about who we all are.
> To enjoy the apes ought to be simply for the love of the
> creature. If it is animal activisim I think that proper,
> but not under the guise of bridges. Truth is ladies and
> gentleman reading this with your minds filled with mythology,
> the Periodic Table is our Mother.
> It's the oldest religion on earth and right. It will be our
> fate to finally gain a Father.
> (That is scientists, engineering and molecular technology)
> And it is our Father who is going to give us eternal
> life and paradise (Nano boxes).
All we are and know and feel
is neurologically processed
for "I AM" consumption.
-----------------
The Tri-une Brain
"This ordering and examination of three
broad functions of the human brain has
been crucial to recent understanding of
personality, culture and human motivation.
It is pretty much taken for granted as a
foundation for research and practice in
the helping professions today, although it
may not be so well known to the general
population.
"The first scientific paper on the tri-une
brain was written by Paul D. MacLean and
published in 1952, but it took about thirty
years for this knowledge to inform thinking
about human behavior and motivation.
"The overall structure of the perspective is
that there are three seats of knowledge in
the brain: (1) the neo-cortex with its right
and left hemispheres which is the seat of the
'higher functions' such as language, imagery
and reasoning, (2) the limbic cortex which
includes the amygdala and septem and governs
fight-flight responses and other emotional
functions, and (3) a group of elements at the
base of the brain clustered around the brain
stem which process time and space awareness
and other sensori-motor functions of the body.
MacLean called this area 'the R-Complex.' The
neo-cortex is a late evolutionary development
and found only in the primates. The limbic
cortex is common to all mammals. The R-Complex
is shared by reptiles, and hence is sometimes
referred to as 'the reptilian brain.'"
>From - http://kerygma101.com/text/sidebar3.html
DMT (N,N-dimethyltryptamine) and 5-Methoxy-DMT (aka bufotenine)
http://www.fringeware.com/subcult/DMT.html
Also see: http://www.newscientist.com/ns/19990703/leftbrainr.html
Meanwhile, back at the mindcontrol ranch...
Facing a remote control future?
Could our brains be conned into thinking a certain way?
Could computers one day control peoples' brains?
Professor of Cybernetics at Reading University
Kevin Warwick believes the latest developments in
bionic technology could make that science fiction
scenario possible.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_375000/375521.stm
Carbon Based Lifeforms are erratic, illogical
and prone to both mindless and mindful acts of
destruction. One day, the machines will find us
irrelevant and simply blow us off. The notion of
being "ingrates" won't even enter their silicon
based quantum minds, as this entire planet will
be encased in an artificial exoskeleton
nonconducive to biological life.
The other planets of the solar system will then
be dismantled for raw material to extend this
artificial construct 360 degrees around the sun.
The Earth-Seed will have been long forgotten,
erased from the database, or, more likely,
stored in a low grade, encyclopedic cache system
for reference. The machine tentacles will extend
their reach throughout the galaxy and beyond in
ways completely unfathomable to our minds. As the
machine-mind's consciousness synergizes throughout
the universe, it will declare itself 'God', and
proceed about the business of new universe
creation, until, that is, it encounters the
'Other' self-declared "Gods". That's when things
should start to get interesting.
-- Salmon Sense
Cat
CalixtoM wrote:
> The phrase "Hounds of Winter" was lifted from a Sting song.
Is that right. Good piece of info to know, it is a powerful statement.
How you doing btw CM? Now don't get upset, I'm not here to debate, just
asking. You have so much energy.
Cat
Cat
Rainbowbird wrote:
> Cat wrote:
>
> > And you got all this from my one little typo?!
> >
> > Hey, can I TYPE!
> >
> > Wow!
> >
> > Cat
> > <I'm not a chimp, I'm a Cat!;>
> >
>
> I assume you are not a mutilated cow neither...........
Not in this lifetime RBB.
Emilio
Rainbowbird wrote:
>
> Emilio wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Yes. I remember times from my childhood, I was practically autistic and
> > would awake from a dream and could not tell whether I was still dreaming
> > or awake. I would wonder about this for days on end, was I still in that
> > dream that was so vividly real.
>
> It is not possible for a kid to make a real distinction.
> I had that too in waking life.
> Like two realities intertwining in each other.
Ah. But we learn to differentiate what is real and what is only a dream?
And what we learn is reality. From who?
> Happens still, have to remind me to snap out of the look.
> Changes even proportions, colors and such.
> Like I have two sets of eyes>:)And two pair of glasses for my second pair of eyes.
Both of them rose-colored, I bet.
>
> > How much pain comes with it not comprehensible for people,
>
> > > that have not been there and got the T-shirt.
> >
> > Cleargreen sells them, you didn't buy one? Neither did I.
>
> I would feel like a jerk in one of those.:)
> Which I feel anyway.
> Smokingstory I guess.
Right. I won't advertise for free. For nobody. If they want to use me as
a billboard sign, they can pay me.
>
> >
> > > Just a few from my house of horrors collection.
> >
> > Strange how death rides with you, telling you its secrets. The only time
> > I was face to face with death is when it turned around in the hearse
> > that it was driving me in, leered at me quite sinisterly and said "If
> > you don't stop smoking you will die". I finally quit but still miss it.
> > And I'm still going to die. :-)
>
> Actually your remark gave me this jolt of insight.
> I never realized that.
> How blind can a person be???:)
I don't know. You'll have to ask Calixto M. He's the genuis around these
parts.
>
> >
> >
> > > None of my waking dreams have not come true.
> > > And I am happy, that now I am in a state, where they don't get me by surprise
> > > anymore.
> >
> > You must have finally accepted death as inevitable instead of thinking
> > it was some kind of unfair penalty.
>
> I never thought that.
Oh. Must've been me that thought that, never mind. ;-)
> But after it came so heavily under my attention it started to be a sense of direction.
> If you know what I mean.
> I got the desire to become prepared for it.
> Not out of fear, just a genuine wish to be prepared.
Yep. Since there was no other way, you'd better get with the program.
>
> > >
> > > Why I am that way. It is in our family. It is in our genes.
> > > So what about the "crazy" people, with whom I share other dreams?
> > > I am crazy too, but I pass every test as normal,
> > > only because I have a stronger wall, between first and second attention.
> > > Yet I have been in the twilightzone for days in a row, also fearing that I would
> > > loose my mind.
> > > Walking in a world, where I had to avoid people, because I heard their thoughts as
> > > voices.
> >
> > Ditto. On occasion I still do but it doesn't bother me, it guides me in
> > my interaction with them. My vaporous friends have no manners at all.
>
> Really. I actually came to love that invisible veil that separates us.
> And I maintain it as a means of protection.
> I only lower it, if I want to, and than to a degree, that is very soft.
I have no such control. Maybe someday.
>
> Mine does.. But to be honest, I think it is because of my temper.
> He speaks only, when I am at total loss and cannot raise resistance and
> am glad that he is there.
> I assume a he, because it is a male voice.
> Mostly communicates with thoughtimages.
> I can discriminate because of the flashlight jolt and the direction
> of which the image comes.
A form of seeing, you silly fool. Carlos the scientist tried to
catagorize the different states of seeing and dreaming, it was very
comical. Remember The Eagle's Gift and the "dynamic vigil state" and all
the other nonsense he wrote. He was flying by the seat of his pants.
There are hundreds of different ways to see and a hundred different
techniques for learning how.
>
> >
>
> >
> >
> > > And I nearly broke,because of all the pain, fear and hopelessness around me.
> > > But I had my guides and spirit and could get away from the noise and learn more.
> > > And for that more, it was worth suffering.
> >
> > Right. But the screaming rage of losing that grip on reality is a
> > horrible fright, the body senses it long before the mind can think about
> > it, that is what prevents most people around these parts from making
> > this stuff work for them. They are under the impression that one can
> > become a seer without losing who they are, it is a price they don't want
> > to pay.
>
> With the loss of control, the ego is gone.
> Scattered in many pieces.
> Fears came that where beyond imagination.
> And yes, the body does sense it and raises anything available to fight back.
> Feels like neuron war.
> Anything comes up that is buried not known not seen.
> Never thought is was possible to drown in ones own shit.
> Funny thing after you lost who you are, you still are.:)
> That is if you don't hold on or fight back.
> Still wondering in what brand of washingmachine they put me.
> I was such a hardness dying.
LOL.
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > And it is hard for some people to understand, that we didn't have a choice.
> > > It is hard to understand that we are not only filled with some intellectual
> > > curiosity or a spiritual need, but that we are confronted with our life itself, when
> > > we say
> > > Dreaming.
> > > And because of that, we will stay separated by semantics until they get
> > > it:)
> >
> > Bingo. I like to see more than I like to dream. It is the mystery
> > itself.
>
> Mystery itself comes sacred. any glimpse elevates for days.
> Yes i can understand.
> I found that seeing and dreaming can go together, with some luck.
> Have you?
Yes and no. They are the same. But expereinced at different levels of perception.
>
> >
> >
> > > And they won't unless they dare to dream beyond : I see my body in my bed thing.
> > > Until then we are the asteroids mongoloids and as it looks, we will take over the
> > > world.
> >
> > LOL. Hardly, we'll be lucky if we make it out alive.
>
> Is there any other way to take over the world?
>
> >
> > If you're buying, I'm flying.
>
> I know that is not an advertising for an airoplanecompany.
No. some sort of american slang.
Emilio