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Subject: Taisha Abelar interview from Dimensions Magazine, Part Two
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Date: Tue, 20 Sep 94 18:23:15 EDT
The Sorcerer's Crossing
TAISHA ABELAR IN CONVERSATION WITH ALEXANDER BLAIR-EWART PART II
In the long years when Carlos Castaneda first informed the world of the
wonders of American aboriginal spirit knowledge, many recognized that a
tradition of great significance had begun to reveal itself to the world.
Over the years Castaneda has progressively shown the all-engulfing
worldview
of the Toltecs in its reformed state as a work of spiritual art, shaped by
the new seers, who have survived the devastating encounter with European
colonial civilization.
Taisha Abelar is one of the new seers whose designation "stalker" balances
the world of the "dreamer" [see Dimensions Feb.'92 interview with the
"dreamer" Florinda Donner]. It is with true delight that we witness the
emergence into the world of a new and genuine way of the spirit.
ALEXANDER BLAIR-EWART: Recognizing that this is a complex subject that can
be understood only by people who are genuinely interested, can I get you
to
talk about stalking?
TAISHA ABELAR: That's a question that comes up often when I give lectures.
People want to know exactly what is stalking. And there's two ways of
approaching this. First, just a general definition is that a stalker is
really someone who has made an art out of being inobtrusive. And that is
he
puts himself in the background, and there's a certain training that is
involved in order to become inobtrusive, and I can tell you why it is
necessary to be inobtrusive. Let me give you a couple other ways of
talking
about stalking. It's designed to give the sorcerer or the practitioner a
jolt,
and by a jolt we mean a push or a slight burst of energy, so that the
assemblage point shifts ever so slightly. Now, I think I have to talk
about
the assemblage point because that is exactly what the stalkers are aiming
at.
They're aiming to move or shift the assemblage point, and through that to
change the perception of the world. Perception, of course, can be changed
through dreaming, but stalkers do it while they're awake. So the way
sorcerers perceive the world is that they say that everything we see,
while
we are awake in this reality is a question of the position of the
assemblage
point. I'm sure you're familiar with Castaneda's books, and you know what
the assemblage point is, but let me just describe it again. It is the
focused
awareness point of luminosity on the luminous cocoon (aura--ed).
We believe that the human being's energetic body is a mass of fibres of
light
that have infinite number, and each one of those is a specific awareness.
So
that they're not just light like electricity, but they're actually light
like
awareness. And on the luminous egg shape that makes up the energetic body
there is a point of extra luminosity where the concentration of the
person,
his awareness, is assembled, and that point of luminosity is about the
size
of a golfball, from the point of view of the 'seer' who sees the person's
luminous being. But it can change size; it also can change position on the
luminous body. Now, where that is located determines what is perceived,
because there's a matching of the fibres that are lit up within the
luminous
body and the fibres that are out in the universe at large, because
sorcerers
also maintain, of course, that the universe us a whole is an infinite
number
of both energetic fibres, some of which are perceivable, and others which
are
absolutely beyond our capacities as human beings to perceive. But where
the
position of this assemblage point is, this lighted up area on the luminous
being, when that matches what is outside, then perception takes place.
ABE: Would this apply to everyone?
TAISHA A: We all have our assemblage point at pretty much the same place,
because as an infant is born, by virtue of the fact that he is going to be
a
human infant and a human being, a social person, he has to match the
location
of his assemblage point to that of other human beings in the world so that
he
can interact with them, and perceive the same world, the same segment of
the
possibility of perception that is open to him, so that we can all agree as
to
what we are perceiving. Because our assemblage points are in the same
place,
we can have language, we can talk about trees and cars and solid walls and
floors, and we can have a spatial and temporal continuity; we know that
there
was a yesterday, there'll be a tomorrow. All of that has to do with the
position of the assemblage point. Time, our conception of everything we
know
to be so, is determined by where that heightened point of concentration
awareness is located. And if by some anomaly it is not in the place where
the
human assemblage point ought to be, then these people are either
sorcerers,
(and we'll talk about that in a moment), or they're a candidate for the
mentally ill. So you find these people in asylums, because their
assemblage
points are not fixed at the position where other human beings have theirs
fixed. Therefore they don't have this intersubjectivity in terms of
perception.
And they can't have the agreements to what constitutes reality. There's a
mandate, let's say, even a biological mandate that says that all human
beings
should have their assemblage point at this particular position so they can
be
what we call human. Animals have it at different places, and that's what
fixes
their species of animal. Trees have their assemblage point at a certain
place
in their luminous shell, and that makes them trees.
ABE: So could we also call the assemblage point the position of collective
persona reality agreement?
TAISHA A: Exactly. It's our persona, it's our person. Now this person,
sorcerers say, is not all that we are humanly capable of being. So we can
we
be more than just a social person. Now, in order to be more than what
society,
or what our birthright, has put forth for us, we have to move or shift the
place of the assemblage point. We have to move it out of its position
where
it is stuck. So, not only is the assemblage point capable of moving
elsewhere,
but when it does, other luminous intelligent fibres of awareness are lit
up
and matched with the universe, and therefore other realities are
constituted,
and these other realities are as real and solid as the one we are in now,
because the reason this reality where we are now is what we call
undeniably
real is because of the agreement that we have that this is what the world
is
like. And that is based on the fixation of the assemblage point. If it
moves-
and it does; it moves in dreams, by itself- we call that dream reality, to
be
separated of course from the waking state. So we acknowledge that there
are
other realms of experience, but we always refer to them from the position
of
everyday reality. But sorcerers don't do that. They say that you can move
the
everyday reality while you're awake. You don't have to do drearning...
Dreaming, of course, is the control of the movement of the assemblage
point
in sleep, in dreams, and the fixation of it elsewhere.
ABE: And you can do it without being insane.
TAISHA A: Absolutely.
ABE: That in itself is an enormously revolutionary statement.
TAISHA A: Because our agreement says that yes, there's crazy people out
there
that have hallucinations. They see monsters and what not. But they're
somehow
deficient and in this sense, from the point of view of the social order,
yes,
they're deficient in the sense that they have not stabilized their
assemblage
point where everyone else has placed it. Somehow their assemblage point is
in
flux, it's constantly shifting, and therefore of course they're crazy
because
they're hallucinating, and they don't have the energy to maintain it at
any
one given position. If they did have that energy and the control, then
they
would be sorcerers, because they would be stalking that new position.
ABE: Yes, I see that.
TAISHA A: So what this all really boils down to is a question of having
the
energy to perceive more than we are allowed to perceive given the fact
that
we are born as human beings. Our social order doesn't allow us to venture
into
other realms except through insanity or through dreams, which they don't
really
count as real anyway. So those are two avenues that are open, but they're
not
really viable avenues. Now sorcerers say you can move the assemblage
point,
provided you have enough energy to fix it at another position, because you
don't want to end up crazy and absolutely lost in these worlds upon worlds
that they maintain exist out there, like the layers of an onion. So what
is
needed is control, energy and fluidity. And what they call 'unbending
intent'.
Now the fluidity enables one to shift the assemblage point to move away
from
the given spot that makes us persons, and we'll get back to this, because
what
this given spot that makes us persons really is is what we call the self.
And
that's where self-importance has to go out the window because as long as
we
maintain our allegiance to the self, what we're really doing is
maintaining
our allegiance to that particular position of the assemblage point. We'll
never
be able to perceive anything beyond what the taken-for-granted reality out
there is. We're allowed only to perceive what is permissable by our given
position within the social order. So we need fluidity to move the
assemblage
point elsewhere, and then we need the stability, the concentration, the
energy
to fix it on another position. And this is what sorcery really is, the
movement
and the fixation, fixing again the assemblage point at the different
positions,
thereby lighting up different realities that are just as concrete and real
as
what we take as reality of the everyday world.
ABE: So sorcerers foster and cultivate energy in unique ways, and there's
a
way of fostering and cultivating dreaming energy, and your book is
primarily
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