Sargenti.org: Updated Oil Painting Pages
Sock Monkey
I have recently updated the oil painting pages at Sargenti.org.
(just click on the oil paintings link or on the image in the upper left)
Please come and have a look and let me know if you like the way the
information is presented. The paintings are now being shown in Full-Vision
ASF: an Automated Slideshow Format. It works great on a DSL connection but I
am uncertain it will perform well on weaker, more girlie dial-up
connections. Please let me know if the presentation sucks due to slowness
and I will build a better version for the bandwidth impaired. (which, up
until recently, I was.)
The slideshow is set up to change images every 10 seconds and hopefully
those with dial up service can view it normally after a little S.I.T: Short
Initial Time. There are pictures of a couple recently unseen paintings and
new updated pictures of unfinished works in progress. So stay up-to-date
and surf on down to Sargenti.org for the New Year. It's a groovy little
place with lots to look at.
Yours Truly,
v!
Jenadbc
>http://www.sargenti.org/
>
>(just click on the oil paintings link or on the image in the upper left)
>
You are one talented dude, Vini. Enjoyed what you've done with the site and am
especially attracted to the painting "home in the sky." (Re:music): "Lotus
Heart" was a pleaser but "Love has got to find you yet" was my favorite--I
almost wish you had not explained "Love has. . ." :-}
slider
Sock Monkey wrote
Please come and have a look and let me know if you like the
way the information is presented. The paintings are now being
shown in Full-Vision ASF: an Automated Slideshow Format. It
works great on a DSL connection but I am uncertain it will perform
well on weaker, more girlie dial-up connections. Please let me
know if the presentation sucks due to slowness and I will build
a better version for the bandwidth impaired. (which, up until
recently, I was.)
### - i'm using a 56k modem and the pictures load just fine and fast
enough not to piss anyone off - but if only the images stayed
on-screen a little longer after they loaded? - i.e. the current 10
seconds time allowed for viewing is totally consumed by the download
so the modem-viewer only get a very fast shot of the full picture
before it starts downloading the next - (e.g. even another 3 or 4
seconds delay would be better, but then you risk pissing-off the
faster users)
so i'd suggest having 2 versions + offering the visitor the choice of
a broadband or a modem connection via a linked menu somewhere
near the start-page, at least until there's more people having
broadband.
hope this helps...
Sock Monkey
"Jenadbc"
> but "Love has got to find you yet" was my favorite--I
> almost wish you had not explained "Love has. . ." :-}
HAHA!
Thanks Jeanette.
I am enjoying Pelle a lot more too now that I have gotten further into
it. And absorbing tale!
Well, ya know, I just felt like I had to write something underneath the
link.
Since then I ran into an aquaintance who is SOOooo adament about letting
one's art speak for itself and just completely getting out of the way. He
believes the artist's person is utterly unimportant to the work initially,
from the viewer's perspective and what matters most is the quality of the
art itself, the work at hand. The highest possible potential is all that
should be sought after, then the art itself will stand on it's own as being
great stuff and worthy of respect. At that point then, the artist can show
up and talk about what he did and how he did it, receive his kudo's, yadda
yadda yadda. My aquaintance's impression is that the artist has no business
selling his art beyond a certain unspoken limit, "selling out" while
promoting his work, that if the work is good and substanitive it will stand
on it's own, it will speak for itself and the right people will find it
worthy and most importantly: for all the right reasons.
I guess he believes that if the work OK enough to sell but not great art
then going into a marketing blitz or even the over-marketing of art that is
truly great is somehow unethical, immoral, corrupt, wrong, bad,
unscrupulous, dishonorable, disreputable, disrepectful and not even a little
bit nice.
He and I had been discussing Thomas Kinkade's blatant whoring of himself
on QVC over the holidays. We both had been watching as he sold MILLIONS of
dollars worth of what had become nothing more than product, it seemed. My
aquantiance watched because he thought is was deplorable how Kinkade has
taken what would have otherwise been deemed great art and franchised it into
every mall in America. He told me one would never see Escher, or someone
like an Albrecht Durer doing such things even if they could have in their
respective times. He was trying to impress on me his position that only the
art itself mattered and an artist should just get out of the way and let the
art speak for itself. That way, the art work had to be of mindblowingly high
quality at all costs, like Escher or Durer would create, and the marketing
aspects would have to live or die based on that quality alone.
He's kind of a purist but I see his point. Living for the sake of the
highest excellence or the artwork is somehow less valuable. And how,
precisely, do you uphold your sense of value.
So I think I will begin to incorporate some of his well-meaning advice
now and start to live more like that myself maybe. Just let people know that
I have something I'd like for them to have a look at and leave it at that. I
think from what you said above that you'd much more fancy this kind of
approach yourself. I have been discearning this message more and more often
lately and I like the sound of it. What it does is it frees me from having
to be concerned about anything else but where the brush meets the canvas,
where the music meets the mic, where the story meets the mind of the
audience. And that is a much more focused and productive place to live from
I think.
So, Thanks for your comments!
Every little bit helps,
v!
Sock Monkey
"slider"
> so i'd suggest having 2 versions + offering the visitor the choice of
> a broadband or a modem connection via a linked menu somewhere
> near the start-page, at least until there's more people having
> broadband.
>
> hope this helps...
Thanks slider,
Yes, it helps a lot! I will build a second slide show that stays up a
little longer.
Also, one can always click back on any image on the left side of the page if
they want to see to restart the slideshow from that point.
I could make a link to the dial-up one and a link to the broadband on from
the main page like so many sites are doing now.
great idea, thanks!
v!
slider
Sock Monkey wrote
Thanks slider, Yes, it helps a lot! I will build a second slide show
that stays up a little longer.
### - that's it, i.e. just save the exact same slideshow page with a
slightly different name, extend the timing for the copy + point to it
as being the modem/slower connection - both pages accessing the exact
same set of images on the server but displaying them at different
rates - cool eh:)
one thing i didn't mention was the lack of a pause-button? - i.e.
because the images disappeared so fast i was straight away
(intuitively) looking for a button to pause the slideshow - so perhaps
a "pause" / "continue" / "previous" / "next" type-navigation might
also be a handy alternative (e.g. just as a suggestion, eventually
have both: an interchangeable auto-play slideshow &
manual-advance slideshow for version3?)
Also, one can always click back on any image on the left side
of the page if they want to see to restart the slideshow from that
point.
### - i noticed that... but then you don't really get much time to
study any of the images before it calls the next pic? (it's that pause
button thingy again:)
I could make a link to the dial-up one and a link to the broadband
on from the main page like so many sites are doing now.
### - for sure, it gives users the choice without you having to change
very much, plus should work pretty well :)
Small Tortoiseshell
home in the sky, mindhorror, multsmallfalls, Thomas_Creek and two
"unfinished" paintings : garden gate, and Peppers portrait, stood out
for me. But whatever you do, leave Peppers portrait as it is, make a
new in stead if you must, just dont "polish" it dead... I kill you if
you do.
Small Tortoiseshell
Perhaps the artist in residenceprograms might be something to think
off, you bring Pepper and Yolanda around the world :) Btw, I have two
brothers that have produced 5 nieces and on boy. They call me uncle
Pepper :)
Your on the right track :)
http://www.transartists.nl/index.htm?http://www.transartists.nl/cod/cl512.shtml
Small Tortoiseshell
I wont... from memory, the doll and Pepper merge and separate out and
in of shape, they are very close, anything could happen there... A
good painting, leave it... and sorry for diving into this, but though
I moove in very different visual landscape myself when I paint,
monochromatic and "meditative", I am still able to appreciate the
warmth and fire in your work. Keep working please...
and a Happy New Year to you and yours :)
Jenadbc
>"Jenadbc"
>> but "Love has got to find you yet" was my favorite--I
>> almost wish you had not explained "Love has. . ." :-}
>
>
>HAHA!
> Thanks Jeanette.
> I am enjoying Pelle a lot more too now that I have gotten further into
>it. And absorbing tale!
>
>
> Well, ya know, I just felt like I had to write something underneath the
>link.
>
> Since then I ran into an aquaintance who is SOOooo adament about letting
>one's art speak for itself and just completely getting out of the way. He
>believes the artist's person is utterly unimportant to the work initially,
>from the viewer's perspective and what matters most is the quality of the
>art itself, the work at hand. The highest possible potential is all that
>should be sought after, then the art itself will stand on it's own as being
>great stuff and worthy of respect.
Agreed. I've found it fascinating the ideas that others have suggested to me
from reading a piece I'd written. It was never what I expected.
At that point then, the artist can show
>up and talk about what he did and how he did it, receive his kudo's, yadda
>yadda yadda. My aquaintance's impression is that the artist has no business
>selling his art beyond a certain unspoken limit, "selling out" while
>promoting his work, that if the work is good and substanitive it will stand
>on it's own, it will speak for itself and the right people will find it
>worthy and most importantly: for all the right reasons.
>
Ok but I'm a practical person, so sometimes we're just earning our bread and
not selling out.
> I guess he believes that if the work OK enough to sell but not great art
>then going into a marketing blitz or even the over-marketing of art that is
>truly great is somehow unethical, immoral, corrupt, wrong, bad,
>unscrupulous, dishonorable, disreputable, disrepectful and not even a little
>bit nice.
>
I've thought the same thing.
> He and I had been discussing Thomas Kinkade's blatant whoring of himself
>on QVC over the holidays.
but, but he was already prostituting. :-)
We both had been watching as he sold MILLIONS of
>dollars worth of what had become nothing more than product, it seemed. My
>aquantiance watched because he thought is was deplorable how Kinkade has
>taken what would have otherwise been deemed great art and franchised it into
>every mall in America.
Speaking of Kincaid I got an offer in the mail today to buy his manger scene
(collector's item).:-)
He told me one would never see Escher, or someone
>like an Albrecht Durer doing such things even if they could have in their
>respective times. He was trying to impress on me his position that only the
>art itself mattered and an artist should just get out of the way and let the
>art speak for itself. That way, the art work had to be of mindblowingly high
>quality at all costs, like Escher or Durer would create, and the marketing
>aspects would have to live or die based on that quality alone.
>
Ah, the high and mighty.
> He's kind of a purist but I see his point. Living for the sake of the
>highest excellence or the artwork is somehow less valuable. And how,
>precisely, do you uphold your sense of value.
>
Sure I do too as long as we don't get caught up in our own self-importance. And
I do think it's more important to create our art than to market it.
Our environment often encourages us to feel that the worth of our work is in
direction proportion to the dollars and cents that we get for it.
> So I think I will begin to incorporate some of his well-meaning advice
>now and start to live more like that myself maybe. Just let people know that
>I have something I'd like for them to have a look at and leave it at that. I
>think from what you said above that you'd much more fancy this kind of
>approach yourself. I have been discearning this message more and more often
>lately and I like the sound of it. What it does is it frees me from having
>to be concerned about anything else but where the brush meets the canvas,
>where the music meets the mic, where the story meets the mind of the
>audience. And that is a much more focused and productive place to live from
>I think.
>
Yes, your expression should come from you and not from how you perceive the
buying public wants your work to look.
>
>So, Thanks for your comments!
>Every little bit helps,
>
>v!
>
Yep, I'm just a barrel of comments. :-[
Rainbowbird
"Sock Monkey" <.@.> wrote in message
news:saMP9.22548$Jb....@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
Sorry, I have cable so visiting your page is totally fine with me. No probs
here.
As for art, it only can become art the moment it is seen, heard ,read.
The moment of transaction.
Some art purely drives on the transaction moment alone such as performance.
Artists differ in how they want to influence that moment of transaction or
not.
Another thing is what is it, that your art needs in the moment of
transaction.
A show can make, but also can break it.
Some painters don't even name their paintings or work, the same way
classical musicians don't pull a show.
All depends in what category your work falls into it and in my opinion your
work falls in the no show category, so why worry indeed.
Don't confuse this with the PR activities
no artist can escape if he wants to sell
these days.
But how much and to what an extent...
depends on individual basis and need.
Like your waterfalls. :)
Sock Monkey
"Small Tortoiseshell"
> But whatever you do, leave Peppers portrait as it is, make a
> new in stead if you must, just dont "polish" it dead... I kill you if
> you do.
Hi,
I am only adding her favorite dolly and painting in her hands and then
it is done.
I will not be doing any work above the dolls head. The upper part of the
painting is done.
Please don't kill me,
;o)
v!
Sock Monkey
"Rainbowbird"
>
> Don't confuse this with the PR activities
> no artist can escape if he wants to sell
> these days.
> But how much and to what an extent...
> depends on individual basis and need.
I see what you mean.
I think there is "a right thing" for each person,
not neccessarily one right thing for all.
I think Kinkade likes to get as many paintings into the world as he can
because to him his painting are a ministry.
To Escher and to my aquaintance it is a mission of reaching one's own
potential.
For me it it more of a pass-time but I like the idea of letting art speak
for itself.
The more I hear about that idea,
the more I like it.
>
>
> Like your waterfalls. :)
Thank you, I'm glad you like them.
they seem to show up quite often so far in my paintings.
v!
Rainbowbird
"Sock Monkey" <.@.> wrote in message
>
> "Rainbowbird"
> >
> > Don't confuse this with the PR activities
> > no artist can escape if he wants to sell
> > these days.
> > But how much and to what an extent...
> > depends on individual basis and need.
>
>
> I see what you mean.
> I think there is "a right thing" for each person,
> not neccessarily one right thing for all.
Exactly.
>
> I think Kinkade likes to get as many paintings into the world as he can
> because to him his painting are a ministry.
> To Escher and to my aquaintance it is a mission of reaching one's own
> potential.
> For me it it more of a pass-time but I like the idea of letting art speak
> for itself.
Seems like the difference in approach is no longer a source of confusion to
you
and you can make up your mind for yourself now.
Your art is direct as it can be.
So I am not surprised that this idea
seems so right to you.
> The more I hear about that idea,
> the more I like it.
It is also a simple and pure approach.
That can have great power.
> > Like your waterfalls. :)
>
>
>
>
> Thank you, I'm glad you like them.
> they seem to show up quite often so far in my paintings.
You are doing them well.
Places of magic, waterfalls.
What is really great in all your paintings is the innocence
and the transmission of beauty, spirit and love.
There is a lot of heart in it and there are truly touching.
Vulnerable and honest and daring at the same time.
Each painting a little light of its own.
But paintings like this can also be a confrontation
to people, more then you might think. :)
As for me Vini, as long as there are paintings like yours in
the world, there is still hope.
Keep that flame burning.
RBB
RoboDwarfe
It all shows internal consistency and adherence to vision.
But "mind horror" properly shocked and had recognition.
I don,t fear the inner that is outer walls of the common dream anymore.
But thats the place where zero is one and one is everything battling the
anything to break on thru and be something before decaying into nothing
again,.
there is no polite way to ask so I,ll dispense with formalities.
How many zero usually follow the first digit when you agree to sell a
piece, 2-3-4 ?
Great work man.
Sock Monkey
"RoboDwarfe" > there is no polite way to ask so I,ll dispense with
formalities.
> How many zero usually follow the first digit when you agree to sell a
> piece, 2-3-4 ?
>
> Great work man.
Thank you Rob O.
uhhhh, at the moment only two.
Most of the pieces, so far, I have had to pay to get rid of.
I SAY, they were sold but actually I had to pay shipping just to give them
away....LOL.
But presently I am working in the hundreds realm. And all of that is based
on demand.
The only way it would ever increase is if demand suddenly out ran the
supply.
typical business protocol. Right now there is absolutely no demand
whatsoever,
except for the afct that ALL my freinds and family have DEMANDED originals.
If only I could reach a skill level where the public actually became
interested.
But that is very hard to do when you work a very physically demanding
full-time job,
are married and have children.
That is why I have made a New Year's resolution to lead a healthier life.
The main thing I am giving up for the New Year is Vice.
Right now my main vice is alcohol in the form of a few 6 packs of beer every
week.
Occasionally, I drink liquor, So I am offing all of the alcohol because it's
just killing me.
My next vice is fast food, so that is going to be severly curtailed.
But The internet porn sites.... sigh... those have meant so much to me...
LOL!
The lesbians for free's and the kaya's place's that have been like sacred
shrinies of worship.
All of it is distracting and keeping me from attaining some personal goals,
so for the new year I am giving up these vices, because they are unhealthy
and because the cost valuable energy and keep from my work,
which I have so little time for as it is.
I just work at my day job, come home, down some beers and fall asleep.
hopefully I can get some exercise now, eat a little lighter and have more
energy for creative life.
Thanks for asking,
v!
P.S. Oil paintings really look dynamite in one's home if framed and
presented in the correct light.
I'll take commision's too. Tell your mom. ;o) And your rich aunites. Be my
pimp and whore me out....LOL!
cr...@att.net
> That is why I have made a New Year's resolution to lead a healthier life.
> The main thing I am giving up for the New Year is Vice.
It's still on? Miami Vice ended in the 80's didn't it?
> Right now my main vice is alcohol in the form of a few 6 packs of beer every
> week.
Every week? 52 weeks a year @ a few 6-paks= hmmm, you're making Coors
rich.
> Occasionally, I drink liquor, So I am offing all of the alcohol because it's
> just killing me.
Beer makes me sleepy. 3 beers and I'm dreaming usually. Shitty dreams
actually.
> My next vice is fast food, so that is going to be severly curtailed.
What no mo french cuisine? LOL! No Golden Arches? No CKE's? GEEZ,
what are you going to eat? TV dinners? just kidding.
> But The internet porn sites.... sigh... those have meant so much to me...
> LOL!
Porn is good for the soul. Just don't get addicted to it.
How come your Jesus pics always have a big boner of Jesus in them?
No, I don't think porn has gone to your brain (yet). ha ha ha
> The lesbians for free's and the kaya's place's that have been like sacred
> shrinies of worship.
Lesbians are so open minded when cums to sex.
Too bad they are so full of hate with men.
What a waste huh?
> All of it is distracting and keeping me from attaining some personal goals,
> so for the new year I am giving up these vices, because they are unhealthy
> and because the cost valuable energy and keep from my work,
> which I have so little time for as it is.
Yeah, sounds like a plan. Why piss your life away?
> I just work at my day job, come home, down some beers and fall asleep.
> hopefully I can get some exercise now, eat a little lighter and have more
> energy for creative life.
Walking is the ticket, you can do it practically anywhere.
The journey for creative life begins with the first step.
Your left, your left, your left right left. See how ez?
> Thanks for asking,
> v!
Thanks for telling. You're so honest
Vinny. Hey, the check is in the mail pal! :)
Ether St. Vying
Vini,
Works fine on my system.
To me, your paintings have a primitve quality, and I mean that in a good way.
Not primitive in terms of execution and craft, but in essence. There's nothing
contrived, trendy or obscure. It's honest and naive, which is a sweet combo.
You know why soulful artists make art?
Just for the halibutt.
:-)